people on the on the social media uh and and that's a pretty large number but now is the time when you start developing the depth and that's the reason why you'll have like like for you right you have depth of knowledge and therefore a lot of people come to you so i would say that you know in the future because social media will make people very transparent about their thoughts and their views and you cannot be always in behind a pr agency or a communications team so they'll be able to see through people on social media who the real person is and at the same time the depth of relationships i think that's something uh which will develop over time the way i look at it i think uh it's just a guess but i agree with everything you've said and i think the outcome of that will be that kind of um social media is going to explode into niche-based domains i discussed this with someone called gary vaynerchuk he's a big social media garyvee oh and he said yeah he kind of


garyvee oh and he said yeah he kind of agreed with it but even he said it's unpredictable absolutely but uh basically human beings like sticking together like being in communities yeah so any new platforms that address those problems with the niche as the underlying gimmick i think can uh kind of bring people away from these current social media products yeah and i already see that when we if you think about forums like quora or even a lot of deep and dark web forums right which are very very focused on a particular type of i would say common shared values right and can be all whatever type right uh there the engagement is off the charts i mean the core logic is can i take your time that you're using on instagram or facebook or twitter or any other social media platform and use that time on a new app that i've built what does that new app have to stand for i think it's this like interest based niche based personality based where you find like-minded people ideally to have sex with


you find like-minded people ideally to have sex with like so i don't know about that but but basically you want to get people who you can connect better with i think that's the premise of and i think you know again we're all moving towards that that's what makes the future so exciting to have sex with is not literal it's it's a figurative thing because no i get it so i get it to be excited and actually be excited mentally simulated and uh have the x factor is what you're talking about so i i get it the x factor the sex factor it's sake sake modi did you enjoy this extremely deep conversation well yes i mean i try to go as non-deep as possible because dude this is one of the deepest podcasts we've had come on just you do a lot of deep stuff so i know that and uh i think i think we covered a lot of breadth and uh i think there's some areas where we were able to go deep and like always


where we were able to go deep and like always you know that's the thing that fascinates me about you and the content you've created and where that uh you know you're a man of depth and you enjoy deep diving and not just leaving it at the 40 000 feet level i'm running away from my own traumas through chasing depth [Laughter] all answers lie there my friend oh yeah uh no root but thank you uh i i know for a fact not many listeners would have been able to keep up but those are honestly the most beautiful conversations that aids the best on the internet so uh i i also know for a fact that there's a lot of engineers who are listening in till this point so maybe for the last kind of question for this episode um what's your advice to young engineers who've kept up with this episode till this point because they're the people who actually are looking at the future as a place where they can build their dream businesses well the advice is uh very


their dream businesses well the advice is uh very simple i would say i like this line it says take the longer route it's faster break that down so it's simple right when you look at web 3.0 where you look at deep and dark where when you look at blockchain et cetera et cetera don't stop at a podcast or a two podcast etc etc if you take the longer route which is really getting into the zeros and ones of how this works not because it's very cool and everybody talks about it and in the in the lines of richard feynman it doesn't matter what you do just do whatever you do in a very deep way and you'll be you'll you'll have a blast doing it because almost everything is equally as exciting so when you take a longer route of breaking because every term that and you started with the question right whether it's nft whether it's blockchain whether it's you know a particular type of web 3.0 application there's just so much that you


web 3.0 application there's just so much that you can do right you can just immerse yourself 18 hours a day uh and just do it right and if you do that even if you don't make a career out of it that's not the point but you will be a changed human being as you come out of it and i think that is the most important message that especially somebody young who's listening in uh in general that i'd like to go and say take the longer route take the route which is which is covering every aspect don't just don't settle for anything which is less than the deepest point of any concept that you take like listen into every podcast and every video and every everything which will be out there till the time you really get it in first principles the moment you do that um you know it's a faster way to get to where you would want to get to and uh so yeah that's why they take the longer route it's faster lovely mrs akin modi thank you


it's faster lovely mrs akin modi thank you for being on the show again thank you ranveer it's very kind of you to have him here and we we're looking forward to learning from you again brother looking forward to our chats cheers so that was the episode for today i would genuinely like to know what you guys thought of the depth of this particular episode i know that we went very heavy we went very technical i tried making it easier for you folks in the past i would try dumbing it down as much as i could when it came to episodes like this but based on the feedback i've received in comment sections on social media i've decided not to dump it down and actually ask the deeper engineering based tech based questions so tell me what you think about these kind of episodes which go this deep with people like saket modi who are the wiz kids that grew up you know the thought leaders the people with some of the most powerful minds i wonder what you think


the most powerful minds i wonder what you think about technical episodes like this please let me know on social media in a comment section this sake modi who returned for a very special very heavy episode of the ranvi show hit like hit share [Music] bye


the original purpose of nato was to counter balance and checkmate the ussr ussr broke up nato continued expanding eastwards and they had given a guarantee to russia that they would not expand any inch eastwards and the moment the ussr broke up they started expanding eastwards so nato's original purpose was to counterbalance the ussr now it is whether you like it or not it's an anti-russia alliance and recently some japanese politician actually said said that and then it was censored that nothing happens in japan without u.s approval if any important policy decision is made there are u.s generals who are sitting there overseeing that i didn't know this yeah you should know i mean that's the hidden reality of the world if you look below the surface you find all of this coming out there was i think 1989 or something when suddenly there's this explosion of terrorism in kashmir that is when the kashmiri hindus the kashmir pundits were forced out of kashmir so that was all whether


forced out of kashmir so that was all whether we like it or not there is there is no other way to say it it was all funded and financed by the u.s it's a fact that most modern day news media is biased is possibly bought out is possibly not pure which is why today's podcast should reach international audiences abhijit chavda is on the show again he's a scientist he's a historian but for me my favorite version of him is when he becomes a geopolitics expert of course he's given us updates about the russia ukraine situation but we spoke about everything from the india perspective to the france perspective to the china perspective to the america perspective i don't think we've ever created such an important geopolitics themed episode so please watch it till the end some of it is heavy some of it is controversial we've even mentioned everyone's favorite internet topic the illuminati lots of intense opinions coming your way so to see abhijit java on the nvidia show


so to see abhijit java on the nvidia show [Music] it's not a bollywood star today you guys got what y'all wanted we got abhijit chavda in the house how are you sir i am great it's great to be back on trs it's always good to talk to you it's great hosting you in the new space uh the thing you should know is that our old space was sustained because of your podcast and everything you did for the show when we couldn't get on the celebrities and all that we got on folks like yourself and kind of turn this podcast into a knowledge podcast speaking about knowledge sir this is a geopolitics special yes uh i learned almost all my geopolitics from you uh through these podcasts through your youtube channel i love everything that you are doing so thank you so much going to link it down below guys please go check it out but first we gotta talk about the russia ukraine situation the russia ukraine updates and moreover the world updates


russia ukraine updates and moreover the world updates what it means for india now going forward the joy of geopolitics is if you study it enough you can start predicting the future a bit a bit so uh let's touch upon those topics as well i don't even know where to begin this particular podcaster so maybe let's just do a very quick kind of storytelling recap of what happened in uh the russia ukraine war since our last podcast which we did at the start of the conflict so what's happened what do you think putin's state of mind is now what do you think is the future of that situation right so we had the last discussion just before the war happened and on february 24 russia invaded ukraine and everybody expected that they would steamroll ukraine wipe it out flatten it but nothing of the sort happened they went in very systematically very deliberately their uh vehicles were even obeying the traffic signals and all so they were doing it in a very


and all so they were doing it in a very systematic way they don't they did not destroy any communication lines any power lines nothing like that and they have been it looks like they had a very clear plan of exactly what they wanted and what they did not want so they had marched all the way up to the capital city kiev and actually encircled it but it and eventually they retreated from there so it looks like it was a chess move meant to deceive the opponent as to what the real intentions are so as of today it's been today is the end of may more or less what's happened what the situation on the ground right now is is such that they have captured at least one fourth of ukraine it is currently it is now under russian control it is an area of land larger than bangladesh larger than nepal ukraine is the second largest country in europe and one fourth of that has been taken over by russia the eastern part of ukraine and


by russia the eastern part of ukraine and the southern part of ukraine more or less the coastal regions so it looks like now that the objective was to uh cut off the entire coast of ukraine the black sea coast and there are in the eastern part which is the donbass region that's that seems to be the that seems to have been the objective of the russian advance now what is mr putin thinking what is mr zelensky thinking zelensky is essentially nothing but uh a puppet he is a puppet of nato of the west nato wanted to expand into ukraine and they it looks like they were trying to provoke some kind of reaction from russia which would enable them to impose sanction and essentially try to [ __ ] the russian economy which is not kind of worked because if you see the strength of the russian ruble on february 23 one day before the war and if you see it today today the russian rule is stronger it is at a


the russian rule is stronger it is at a better position so the russians have been able to not only stop the bleeding but reverse it and make their currency stronger because they have the trump card they have the aces the oil and gas supplies to europe the whole of europe is essentially dependent on russian gas and the russians have said you want to buy our gas you have to pay in rubles which means there's a demand for the currency which means its price goes up wow so that's what they've done so that's what was definitely an angle for even starting the conflict in the first place one of the angles i think it is something they had foreseen okay i think this war this invasion has been in the planning for at least five to ten years because we know what happened in 2014 when the russians annexed the crimean peninsula so all of that i think was a long-term game plan it is territory that was traditionally russian territory if you see the history


was traditionally russian territory if you see the history it's always been that way and because of the circumstances that led to the disintegration of the ussr all of these territories were taken away from russia so now they are taking it back so it looks like they want to take off take out one-fourth of ukraine eastern region in the entire coastal region up to odessa in slightly towards the west so that seems to be the game plan they are also coordinating with china because china and the us have this big friction so the chinese and the russians are coordinating i would not call it a long-term alliance it's a it's a it's an alliance of convenience because russia and china are also actually adversaries if you look at the geography it is inevitable that there will be adversaries as china rises russia will feel threatened and as of today there are russian ballistic missiles aimed at china yeah so it's their environment and vice versa but that's how it


their environment and vice versa but that's how it goes you know in geopolitics there are no real adversaries or or allies it's like dance partners when you dance with a person the way you dance is gonna be it will depend on your physical characteristics and your partner's physical characteristics if you do the tango the foxtrot or the salsa or whatever if you're a large your partner is small you're gonna dance in a certain way if your partner is larger than you and you're smaller or weaker you're gonna dance in a different way so it's all about the dance it's not about enmity or alliance it's about the dance so right now we are witnessing a certain kind of dance between russia china and nato nato is a stand-in for the us one thing people don't realize is that the largest power in europe apart from russia is the us it's not germany it's not france these are all subsidiary states of the us the us is what drives


states of the us the us is what drives nato and the eu so none of the countries in western europe has an independent foreign policy except for france and there's a lot of friction between france and the us okay so there's there's all of this dynamics at play right now and uh so that's where we are vis-a-vis the ukraine situation what is the friction between france and the us well the u.s see it's like this uh at the end of world war ii the u.s and the ussr were the victorious powers in europe most of the fighting was done by the ussr and most of the bleeding was done by the ussr but uh the americans and as soon as the world war ii got over there was this cold war that came into place because the u.s realized russia is very powerful and they wanted to dominate europe so then that's where the iron curtain came into place and europe was split into two branches one was the eastern bloc which is the


branches one was the eastern bloc which is the ussr block and the rest was the american bloc now the americans have a permanent military presence in several european countries germany has been under permanent u.s occupation since 1945. people don't realize it so germany is not truly a free country it's a country under foreign occupation and similarly and the uk also is a u.s vassal state more or less it's only france that has maintained some kind of strategic autonomy over the years because of the policies they pursued okay a little hard-hitting question is this economic imperialism it is geopolitical geoeconomic geostrategic imperialism the us we consider it to be a superpower that's the nice term to use it's actually an empire yeah superpower is a euphemism for empire let's let's understand what really happened in the 1920s 1930s 1940s the uk was the british empire which encompassed much of the globe now in the 1920s 30s etc the uk was waning


the 1920s 30s etc the uk was waning the british empire was declining it was in gradual decline and after world war ii what happened is that the um the empire continued but the headquarters moved westwards from london uk to washington dc is the anglo-saxon saxon empire it's the same entity all of the structures are still in place but now it's it's dominated from washington dc and the illuminati maybe maybe that's a whole other conversation are you familiar with the freemasons thing yes of course would you like to enlighten the listeners who are just curious about this illuminati angle and freemasons right so um the freemasons are supposed to be they are known to be a secret society of sorts they're not very secret nowadays but uh there is some aspect of the freemasons that is like open to all like there are these freemason lodges or chapters in various countries in the world including in india okay and uh so the freemasons started off as maybe a


uh so the freemasons started off as maybe a jewish cult not a cult but a society of some kind it was a very secret society and it was persecuted in europe during the middle ages etc that's why they became very secretive and it it is alleged that they hold the reigns of power in europe and across the world and they have chapters across the world including in india many prominent indians were freemasons they were members of the freemason society like clipling kipling was one he was obviously british born but uh british swami vivekananda really absolutely you look at the website of the freemasons the indian chapter and you will see the the pictures of all the of the prominent indian freemasons one was swami vivekananda one was the motilal narrow and uh most likely so several prominent indians of the past have been members of the freemason society maybe the long-term objective is just to survive and perhaps survive horde power perhaps to


survive and perhaps survive horde power perhaps to survive perhaps to rule the world perhaps rule the world from behind the scenes without drawing attention to where the real power lies perhaps to distract the world into believing the power lies and takes place but it actually lies in one place these are conspiracy theories but it's possible it's theoretically possible no i believe there was a rival society called the moors if i'm not mistaken the moors yeah it was like it was a whole masons versus moore's thing i see yes and one of the narratives i've read is that it was primarily white people versus primarily black people the maneuvers are supposed to be the african origin uh invaders of europe the uh islamic invaders of europe yeah yeah so they were obviously african people yeah and what i read is uh that africa from ancient times is actually a very rich continent yes um governed by morse and if you actually speak to nigerian ghanaian people today they talk


speak to nigerian ghanaian people today they talk about their own history yes in a very prolific manner they say that no listen we were a very rich part of africa and the same with ethiopia etc yes it is at the other far end of africa yes uh history is written by the winners of war what is said is that there could have possibly been a massive war between the masons and the moles and all this is just speculation but this is what i've read there could have been a massive orbiting between the masons and moors the masons came out on top it wasn't white versus black it was masons and more weather white and black on both sides but the masons came out on top and they rewrote african history in a very negative broken manner so the same narratives that we have in indian culture where we blame the british for spoiling our education system spoiling our mindset giving us that victim mentality um you're not opening up the economy until 1990


um you're not opening up the economy until 1990 uh similar narratives exist in africa today as well where a lot of africans have a very low sense of self-esteem and i know this because of a lot of african youtubers i met i met someone called maya he's a ghanaian youtuber whose main purpose right now as a youtuber is to kind of uh help the narrative of africa all over the world i see so this bad narrative of africa has also led to increasing worldwide racism yes against black people in general uh but anyway that's that's what so-called powerful societies like the freemasons can do over a hundred or two hundred year time period quite possible they can i mean if you have a secret society that is very powerful you can orchestrate world events from behind the scenes and then blame somebody else for it it's quite possible and psychologically affect an entire generation yes it can destroy entire societies and deracinate them brainwash them make


societies and deracinate them brainwash them make them see themselves as very inferior that sort of thing has been seen over and over again yeah i also feel power is strongly dictated by where the money is at so i am sure that if you just scan big money shifts over the last 200 years you'll be able to kind of spot where the freemasons were like how the kohinoor diamond land up in the uk or all of india's ancient wealth lined up in the uk uh bharat was split up into four countries etc etc uh so what you're saying about the modern day freemasons definitely could be in europe could be in america but if you had to guess where and who the modern day freemasons are what would be your guess i would imagine it could be possibly somewhere in europe or the or america maybe split across both the continents it's actually just one entity and if you're really rich and really powerful borders don't mean anything you can go and reside anywhere


don't mean anything you can go and reside anywhere in the world so if the freemasons do exist they will be residing in open sight but they will not draw attention to themselves and they'll be so rich that nothing matters and they will not they will try and pretend like they are powerless or whatever i mean if you are that rich you want to hide in plain sight and not display any outward signs of wealth or power so it could be in in continental europe western europe or in the us north america most probably i actually love the listeners of this podcast at this point to drop your comments in terms of everything you have read about the illuminati freemasons so that we can take this part of the discussion further than next time but right now let's get back to the war situation in the current geopolitical scenario uh actually no let's go back to freemason do you think nato is also aligned with the freemasons i would actually reframe that question as you know at the


would actually reframe that question as you know at the forefront everyone knows what the purpose of nato is to sort of help maintain world peace and whatever the narratives are online my question do you sir behind the scenes what do you think the objectives of nato are the objective of nato is very simple to maintain and prolong american hegemony in western europe and hopefully all across the world what is the meaning of hegemony hegemony means overwhelming superiority of all kinds economic military etc power so that's what it is that's why we call the us a superpower because essentially it has the ability to intervene anywhere in the world at 30 minutes notice either military or economically it control its currency is the global reserve currency the us dollar which means it can cut any country off at a moment's notice from the global financial system and so on so it has overwhelming economic power and overwhelming military power it has 10 aircraft carriers it has a fleet of nuclear nuclear submarines


it has a fleet of nuclear nuclear submarines it has ballistic missiles it has a array of spy satellites military satellites it can intervene anywhere it wants within 30 to 60 minutes uh on demand so that's what it is and that's what that's one of the components is nato in europe like how they say wards are primarily one because of logistics so nato has basically set up an intense logistics system for america all over the world so that they can intervene in any war so nato is all about europe okay so the original purpose of nato was to counter balance and checkmate the ussr it was essentially an anti-ussr alliance but after the uss ussr broke up nato continued expanding eastwards and they had given a guarantee to russia that they would not expand any inch eastwards and the moment the ussr broke up they started expanding eastwards so that essentially is what led eventually to the ukraine country that we are witnessing right now so nato's


that we are witnessing right now so nato's original purpose was to counter balance the ussr now it is well whether you like it or not it's an anti-russia alliance hmm i mean for the time being for the time being because that's what's required right now yes they would like to destroy russia if possible you know this is why it's so important for people to stop watching traditional news media because it can be controlled by powers larger than yourself and if you want your news get it from three four different angles in terms of watch writing news watch left wing news watch centrist news listen to podcasts uh perspectives of youtubers and then form your own opinion at the end of the day yeah um for example we were talking about succession outside and even in succession i think in season two there is a dialogue where someone says that no i get my news from a comedian's podcast and they were hinting at joe rogan okay very obviously he's the only comedian with the mainstream podcast


he's the only comedian with the mainstream podcast and the other character reacts like you know in a bad way that okay then i don't take you seriously so maybe the freemasons are working through mainstream media and fictional shows like succession to drive the narrative against the people of speaking the truth it is possible media is extraordinarily powerful it is what helps uh whoever is in power control the thoughts feelings and ideas and emotions of people and the perceptions and the world view of people so if you control the media you can make people believe whatever you want them to believe which is why zelensky's image was whitewashed this much according to you well zielinski is a is an interesting individual he is of jewish origin he is the president of a country where nazis are free run neo-nazis i mean the ukraine is a nazi history give some back story also well if you look at the various atrocities that took place against jews in that part of the world during world


against jews in that part of the world during world war ii there was a lot of it coming from the grassroots in ukraine the people and then the political leaders there was this guy called stefan bandera there was a very virulent nazi today is one of the national heroes in ukraine and even today you have this azov regiment the azov regiment which is essentially a new nazi regiment they have these nazi tattoos and all that and they are fighting they are involved in the conflict the russians want to destroy them and this guy zelinski he's a jew and he's supporting nazis who massacred his own people in his address to the greek parliament zelinski brought with him a new nazi a member of the azov brigade i believe so that's the situation there in ukraine it is it's so strange that a jewish person would actually promote uh nazi people but that's how it is yeah you know what i found strange about this whole zelinski


know what i found strange about this whole zelinski narrative online is that it was too whitewashed like uh that they were just talking about the good [ __ ] about him and every leader including barack obama including like the most iconic leaders in history have a dark side it is the nature of leadership is the nature of politics no one can be completely whitewashed and you are seeing youtube videos instagram memes reddit articles about how awesome zelinsky is but there has to be some sort of a dark side at least a bit at least something wrong that he's done he can't be a perfect leader which got me thinking that okay you know let's question the situation and in this in no way is me defending putin like everyone knows putin's dark sides very openly i've met russian people spoken to them even they have like gray opinions about him but at least it's more real than whitewashing someone entirely util is real we know his dark side we know he's a dictator we know


dark side we know he's a dictator we know he's authoritarian we know everything about him it's been discussed ad nauseum in the media zelinski they've created this brand this brand building exercise going on right now that his oh he stood in the middle of kiev he escaped russian there's so many stories yes uh i like the story about the russian fighter jet you know they call it russian sorry the ghost of ukrainian fighters yeah yeah yeah it turned out to be fake news that's what there's so much branding there's so much storytelling happening from the ukrainian side what about the russian side it's been blanked out it's been blanked out totally except in russia where it's whitewashed for them well they have to put something out but what's happened is that on social media which is all controlled in the us all these russian channels and russian uh handles have been banned so there's only one narrative being being spread right now so that's what we're watching it's a it's


so that's what we're watching it's a it's the disinformation or brand building in real time can i give a deeper brand building angle here because i come from the world of brands uh human beings i'm not talking about the so called intellectual human beings or the upper classes uh the general masses can never relate to concepts or non-living objects but they can always relate to people zelensky is now synonymous with ukraine when you think of zelinski you'll think of ukraine yes if zelensky is a hero as a brand ukraine becomes the hero brand and russia becomes the obvious villain the world can't understand grey they can only understand villains and heroes yes so you're painting ukraine as a hero an underdog hero and the coach in the ukraine corner is big daddy usa yes you're trying to project usa as the big protector etc that's the actual brand building that's going on here in terms of maybe the actual war is obviously happening between us and


the actual war is obviously happening between us and russia and everyone knows that um but it's this whole branding of zelensky is happening from a perspective of again rebranding usa as the forefront of the world because i think the whole trump situation affected the branding of usa all over the world amongst other things in terms of there is this kind of worldwide sort of little bit of hate that's begun against usa for being overly material for affecting the environment in the way it does could this be an angle certainly right now what we are witnessing is that the world is now beginning to see through all the uh all the lies and disinformation the us has been orchestrating who's all across the world all of that has come out in black and white now the entire list is available on social media anytime you like every time you want to see there is this conflict going on in yemen and they have their engineering and so much else going on they talk about a rules-based


so much else going on they talk about a rules-based world order they they flout the rules anytime they feel like so now people are beginning to see the hypocrisy and the lies and what the americans are trying to do is they are trying to position themselves as the good guys as always and the russians are the bad guys and zelensky is this che guava like figure right they are trying to position him in that sort of manner so that's what they're doing and it's very easy to sway people's opinions when you have an underdog who is under siege and who is standing bravely yeah people want to root for the underdog it's always that way psychologically yeah psychologically david and goliath that sort of thing yes wow um little quick anecdote on shago era i mean for people who have never heard of it so che guevara was this marxist uh guerrilla who fought in cuba who fought in south america he fought on the side of fidel castro who


he fought on the side of fidel castro who became the the authoritarian leader of cuba who ruled for many decades when cuba was under u.s sanctions it still is actually and we see him the world sees him as a great rebel and a great freedom fighter but he was a he has a way he had a very dark side he took part in massacres and summary executions of people and all that he was a very cruel person eventually he went down south to latin america and he fought in he tried to ferment other marxist revolutions over there eventually he was hunted down and executed by uh by certain forces that were allied with the us but uh we see him as the guy in the poster the wild hair the motorcycle diaries and that very famous poster that we have everywhere it's on t-shirts it's on walls everywhere so people remember iconic images and that's what they've created out of him so that is a little bit of about che guevara illuminati


is a little bit of about che guevara illuminati man this is this is the freemasons at work again uh but coming back to the actual conflict we were talking about america i wanna just give two disclaimers here one uh i honestly love that country for its ambition and the kind of morals that it stands for i've learned a lot from my own professional life directly from the usa directly inspired from those entrepreneurs directly inspired from how that country runs directly inspired from how it's a country built by immigrants there's too much to learn from that country but no one's completely whitewashed that's why we have to highlight some of the grey some of the darker stuff which is why i have to ask you about the actual atrocities which are not reported by mainstream media including indian news channels what is not reported about what america is doing all over the world and i'll tell you why india does not have a culture of free speech yes that's true yeah uh we're not


free speech yes that's true yeah uh we're not allowed to say certain things certain things yes uh therefore that means in public forums you can't really express yourself completely yes contrary to america where there is a culture of expressing yourself there used to be one oh okay i believe that the history they taught in high schools is part history and part modern day civics in terms of they teach them about what's happening with the political situation now uh the good thing about usa is that from age 16 they at least start to think about current affairs as far as i understand or maybe the morphed version of current affairs that they knew serves them but technically we're neutral sir because india is not on either side we're not and i know that americans watch episodes with you um we've had i think american marine i believe she reviews our episode you should check those out hi if you're watching um what's the neutral perspective on what america is doing all over the world in


on what america is doing all over the world in terms of the geopolitics that you have learnt and i know that you don't even get your geopolitics from say a bbc or a cnn uh you get it from like a wider perspective so so what's the neutral opinion on what america has been doing behind the scenes terms america is responsible for a lot of atrocities all over the world let's highlight that well if you want to talk about atrocities we can think about dresden in world war ii there was this there is this german city called resident it was fire bombed by the americans i don't know how many thousands of tons of bombs were dropped in one night the entire city was burned down tens of thousands of people were burned alive there was no need for that they talk about not harming civilians what about this and when it comes to japan what was the need to drop two atomic bombs in a destroyed country what i think they were trying to


a destroyed country what i think they were trying to test the effect of nuclear radiation and fallout on human beings there was absolutely no need to do that then let's talk about vietnam the amount of mines they've dropped the amount of amount of bombs adopt dropped over there on vietnam the uh the biological and chemical weapons that drop their agent arranged to defoliate the forest it it causes birth defects even today in vietnam and the various massacres they carried out milai massacre i mean they shot about 3 400 people to death in a village you know unarmed men women children that sort of thing that is just the tip of the iceberg so they have done all these things the highway of death in iraq the iraqi soldiers were retreating they were not doing anything they were not fighting and they were all mowed down from the air i mean there is this whole list this whole litany of atrocities that they've done but one could argue that they are simply trying


but one could argue that they are simply trying to preserve their hegemony their superpower status their empire status which is something every empire does if you look at the roman empire it was not bathed in milk you know it was it was uh the history of the roman empire is full of these atrocities julius caesar committed genocide in europe the celtic people alexander was a brutal cruel tyrant i mean look at the things he did his own historians wrote about that the amount of the number of people he crucified the number of people he killed for no reason in india it is alleged i mean his own historians the greek historians right that he did all sorts of atrocities so the americans are not the only empire that have done it but yes they have been doing this they have been engineering coups they have been they don't really believe in democracy they have been engineering on undemocratic coups everywhere and they occupy many countries even today japan for


and they occupy many countries even today japan for instance is under u.s military occupation since 1945. it's permanent military occupation japan is a country under foreign military occupation it's not a democratic country the constitution of japan was written by the americans it has not been amended once since 1945. the south koreans their country is under u.s occupation since the 1950s permanent u.s occupation dozens of u.s military bases over there the logic the rationale is that we are offering you protection against the evil north koreans and the rationale for japan is that we are offering you protection against china but there are dozens and dozens of u.s military bases which i'm sure the japanese don't want they have been protesting against that in okinawa and other places shinzo abe for instance he was one japanese prime minister who wanted an independent foreign policy he was talking about revising the constitution suddenly he resigns he says my health is not good and so on and so forth so that's


not good and so on and so forth so that's what they've been doing i also want to highlight one thing now this is where uh you actually get to know the power of america yes it's a powerful entity usa and wherever power resides money gets attracted to those places south korea extremely rich japan extremely rich germany extremely rich i don't know if i'd say the same word italy but at least these three grown so much economically could this be a reason well japan is an interesting case in the 1980s japan was one of the powerful economies it was the number two economy in the world in the 1980s it was projected to eventually surpass the united states i mean the japanese business policies and models were copied and studied all across the world there was a real business and economic superpower there was a vibrant economy and a very confident nation it's a very interesting site they combined samurai or mentalities with business yes to make more efficient systems and to make


business yes to make more efficient systems and to make teams work better it's called i think japanese economic boom post world war japanese economic very interesting cases very interesting and then suddenly something happened all of a sudden it's like somebody switched off a faucet a tap tap and the economy went into a recession overnight which it has still not recovered from from today japan is a decaying country it's a beautiful country with a beautiful culture one of the most the most technologically advanced society in the world and still very traditional but it's an aging population the fertility rate has dropped below replacement levels uh there is this phenomenon of hikiki mori or something it's called where youngsters they stay forever in their parents basement they don't go out they don't interact with the world and there's a lot of suicides over there elderly people dying alone this society is crumbling and decaying what happened overnight they were surging ahead and all of a sudden something went wrong i wonder what went


a sudden something went wrong i wonder what went wrong something behind the scenes happened and the whole economy was was ruined that's what happened i mean who's really running japan is the us it's the u.s that is really ruling japan or running japan recently some japanese politician actually said said that and then it was censored that nothing happens in japan without u.s approval if any important policy decision is made there are u.s generals who are sitting there overseeing that and that's how it is and similarly for south korea south korea again it is a prosperous country one of the highest gdp per capita capita numbers in the world and you can see though that their society is being re-engineered there i mean i have nothing against any specific religion but you have a certain western religion that is taking over the country so there is a lot of people there are a lot of people who are atheists and a lot of people who are increasingly becoming christians and that


people who are increasingly becoming christians and that is something the americans have been engineering since the 1950s they sent i don't know hundreds maybe thousands of missionaries to south korea similarly with japan i don't know this yeah you should know i mean that's the hidden reality of the world if you look below the surface you find all of this coming out what's what's happening in saudi arabia saudi arabia is peaceful okay it's it's very well controlled very rigidly controlled and all nowadays there is liberalization happening because the americans want that so nowadays women don't have to wear those whatever they used to wear earlier they can drive they can leave their hair open and all so there is some change happening in saudi arabia most likely at the behest of the us but yemen has been disastrously plundered right now it's been bombed every day so there is this famine like situation starvation happening there uh there are no supplies no medicines daily


there uh there are no supplies no medicines daily bombardment from saudi arabia so that's what's happening it's a humanitarian crisis but nobody cares because nobody reports what's happening there i think to understand the russia ukraine situation much better you have to understand who the enemies of the us are and people's focus is on russia and ukraine but there is sort of this world war happening already it's a cold war 2.0 you could say which is happening at all right right now it's not really hot but the pieces are moving into position for possibly a new war and if a new war happens a real war involved in the us it would most likely happen in the indo-pacific region you know when some [ __ ] in a bar tells me this i don't get scared when you tell me this no it is scary it is scary because if a war happens in the indo-pacific it's the indo-pacific india will be involved in that whether


indo-pacific india will be involved in that whether we like it or not we will be pulled into that in a hot war in a hot war both you and me don't follow national politics intentionally we just spoke about it yeah very quickly so explain why you don't follow national politics and why do you instead follow geopolitics see there's politics at all levels in the world in your family there is politics in your building apartment complex there is politics at the municipal level at this district level at the state level at the national level you have politics at various scales i am not interested in petty politics it just just doesn't interest me i am interested in the the competition for the biggest prize in the world which is geopolitics and jio strategy that is what impressed me i i am a big picture guy that's what i've always been so that's what i look for that's what excites me and interests me are these local elections and politics and all that really doesn't


local elections and politics and all that really doesn't hold much water for me yeah um again for me again the reason is just interest not i've never been interested in national politics the moment i had my first geopolitical conversation coincidentally with you i was like okay this is my new subject but so the anecdote i do want to share here is i was talking to a host of really intelligent people and people from all faiths okay hindus muslims catholics um the one input i've got about the current indian government is i'm not talking about a national level i'm not talking about what's happening inside the country and that's again a little bit of a gray area everyone's got their own very strong opinions on it but internationally suddenly since modi is at the forefront we are perceived as a hey don't mess with me kind of figure uh everything from modi's branding abroad to uh even the way he treats other politicians there is that sense of power now people criticize him


is that sense of power now people criticize him for being seen so much abroad for traveling so much there was a youtuber i think it was things school who did a fantastic video on the string of birds theory and he said that why do you think modi is travelling so much to all these countries he's traveling to strategic countries to strengthen us geopolitically we have gentlemen like ajit doval kind of sitting right next to modi and advising him geopolitically ajit dual if you actually read his history and about his life he's one of the world's best strategists ever i would actually link the video that dr vivek binder did on aj do all it's fantastic you'll get to understand what ajit doval's mind is like i am dead show ajit dwaal has a role to play in india's geopolitical game right now i'm 110 so he's always had a role he's just a very senior strategist now he's probably heading that mission so the indian military


he's probably heading that mission so the indian military is obviously getting prepared uh but before we talk about the indian military so i want to ask you about modi from a geopolitical perspective uh while we don't follow national politics i'm sure you're aware as am i but purely from an international geopolitical standpoint what's your opinion on how the world looks at modi and india right now so ever since uh mr modi came to power the perception of india very rapidly changed but for the first time in living memory we have a no-nonsense leader who upholds the national interest went all around the world he met various world leaders he met trump he met barack obama before that he re-established good relations with israel he established a very warm rapper with shinzo abe of japan and he went and wooed all of india's potential allies and he established very good relations with the gulf countries i mean we have this cultural disconnect with the gulf very different religions and yet there is


the gulf very different religions and yet there is so much warmth and and stress strong strength of relationships between us and the gulf countries today so he did all that in the first term today what we are witnessing is mr modi is not traveling much today right now it's dr jayashankar who is traveling all across the world relentlessly building bridges and furthering india's national interest in india's uh foreign service the ifs nowadays it's become very confident they have a very clear direction of what to do earlier india's diplomats and ambassadors did not have a clear idea of what our national interest is what the policy is what does the government want to pursue as a big picture thing today is very clear everybody knows their role everybody knows what to do so that's what we're doing our economic policies the what we what the government implemented in the past seven or so years they are now bearing fruit we are seeing unicorns born every week in the coming years you'll have a


born every week in the coming years you'll have a unicorn being bored born almost every day in india the entire infrastructure is being upgraded upgraded the airports the nuclear situation is also good we are like you said we are building new weapons developing new weapons modernizing the military so there's this whole overhaul of the country that's happening we are also looking into the energy reserve strategic energy reserves that's why we have good relations with the gulf and so on because of this india has now become a genuine world power it's not one of the top two world powers but it is one of the three or four global poles so today what we are seeing is a multi-polar world a multi-polar world is that is when we don't have only one superpower two superpowers but three or four major powers so the two main powers are the us and china they would both like to see a bipolar world where they only matter nobody else matters but as long as india exists and russia exists


but as long as india exists and russia exists and possibly france exists we're going to have multiple votes france france most people don't realize this but france is a major indo-pacific naval power it has multiple uh assets uh territorial assets in the indian ocean all the way up to antarctica for example the reunion island which is close to the seychelles is a french territory and they have multiple other uh territories near antarctica in the southern indian ocean as well and they have a fleet of nuclear submarines that is typically anywhere in the world as an effective second strike option in case somebody deals a message with them nucle from a military perspective so they are a major indian ocean power and they have an independent foreign policy independent of nato in the us and that's where u.s and france have lots of frictions right so today the main powers are the us and china obviously and also india russia and france as well so we are in a multi-polar


france as well so we are in a multi-polar world and if you will see if you follow the events india and france are cooperating it's almost like a strategic alliance today between india and france because we are the two cornered people big yeah because we all seek strategic autonomy from the us we do not want to fall to fall under the u.s hegemony completely so india is buying rafales from france the aircraft we are buying the scorpion submarines from france we may have certain other things going on behind the scenes which will not which we we may not know about right so there's all kinds of things going on mr modi visits france uh regularly mr mchale also comes to india from time to time there is a good relationship brewing there so that is where india stands today india is now recognized as one of the major geopolitical powers in the world if you see the past four or five months since january there have been dozens of international visits


since january there have been dozens of international visits to india world leaders senior diplomats foreign ministers finance ministers and so on it's a non-stop stream of visits and dr jayshankar is going all around the world mrs meenakshi leaky who is the uh the other minister in the foreign ministry is also going all around all around the world and india's diplomats are very active we are pushing back at the unsc un security council against any bs that's thrown our way so india is now standing up for itself and as long as the economy grows we're going to be fine because if your economy grows larger you have more money for the military as well and so on could you like kind of sort of highlight this world war three situation that if it were to take place how do you see it panning out is it gonna be two sides against each other is there gonna be three sides triple threat match i don't know what's happening because this whole


i don't know what's happening because this whole india kind of coagulating with france makes sense to me due to my limited understanding of geopolitics primarily um got from conversations with you but i'm looking at it as three different sides kind of against each other but has a war ever happened that way like has a three-way war ever happened if you look at the history of europe there have been all kinds of wars small wars big wars multi multi-sided wars and so on if you look at the napoleonic wars lots of sites came together against france at the time so all kinds of scenarios have played out in the future in the past sorry and that's why we study history because that tells us what kind of things can happen again because human nature is cyclic human nature is predictable the patterns recur again and again and again these are the cycles of history that's why history is so fascinating and that's why if you study history properly you understand geopolitics because you


study history properly you understand geopolitics because you know what's happening right now so if you talk about world war three there are several potential scenarios if the us pushes too hard against russia in ukraine they may provoke russia if they corner russia too far if they leave them with no recourse then something may happen there and when when we're talking about world war three we're always talking nuclear obviously i mean the russians are not crazy mr putin is not a crazy person he's not a madman like he is portrayed he's a very rational person he has governed his nation very rationally the past two decades but if you push him too far into the corner if you poke the bear too hard something may happen and that's what they achieved by starting the war in ukraine it was not the russians who actually started it the americans pushed them pushed them pushed them pushed them and eventually the russians had to fight the first shot and the person


had to fight the first shot and the person who fires the first shot is the bad guy it's always like that wow uh what is in it for indian citizens in terms of we spoke about the possibility of hot war folks living in mumbai delhi bangalore chennai at least the metros kolkata because it's near the northeast should we be worried if there's a hot war i believe we should not be worried peace can only be achieved through strength you don't have peace through love and affection or mutual respect peace can only be achieved through strength that is the lesson we have to remember from vishnugov to chanakya's life peace through strength today india is building its strength it's conventional military strength we are building submarines we are building uh we are we are modernizing the army the infantry and all that the air force and we have the nukes i just want to highlight something that major general gd bakshi told me and that saket modi who's one of the world's cyber


saket modi who's one of the world's cyber security experts told me even as indian students especially if you're an engineering grad you can contribute to the indian military in general a lot by choosing not to go abroad and actually applying for jobs with the indian military to be a part of this change and right now india needs it more than ever so if you want to do something for your country and if you're at least a science grad this is the time you can actually apply and do a lot there if you're a coder and you want to do something for a country know that the indian military for sure maybe not publicly but for sure is building a cyber unit as well because so is china and if a hot war happens there is going to be a cyber angle in it that's the true nature of world war three so when you say peace is in strength maybe as indian citizens rather than focusing on fear and focusing on our amygdalas we should focus on


focusing on our amygdalas we should focus on our cerebrum focus on thinking logic and adding to the strength yes um go answer now i will let you go on right so india is modernizing its its military we don't know about our cyber capabilities for the past seven years we don't know anything that's happening i remember when mr modi became prime minister for the first couple of years there were this these hackathons students showing off their hacking skills coding skills and then it became quiet so maybe it was a talent acquisitions search or something it's possible yeah and it's always the young coders who are the best you know so i am quite sure we have a reasonably good or maybe more than reasonably good cyber capabilities which we will not speak about obviously in the public domain we have space capabilities as well we have asat weapons we have good satellites and we have like we spoke about the nukes so we have the strength we have the ability to counter china in any way if


have the ability to counter china in any way if they try something we have the answers the whole of tibet is open and barren we know exactly where their camps are their military camps and everything is it's it's easy to pinpoint it we have extraordinarily accurate cruise missiles the brahmos missile and other missiles as well so we can take them out if they start something we can even interdict the malacca straight if we want using the brahmos missile and various other strategies we are even developing a new kind of weapon which is a missile devil missile deployed missile delivered torpedo a torpedo is like an underwater missile but it will be first deployed delivered by air and then it goes in the water and then it will go and do its final measure that sort of thing so it's a hybrid kind of weapon we are developing and every other week we have a new uh alert out in the bay of bengal for some kind of weapons test or something so we


for some kind of weapons test or something so we are very busy isro drdo mostly drdo is extremely busy in developing and testing out new weapons so we are in a good position there is no need for the citizens of india to panic or be afraid we are a very powerful nation we have all the answers to anything china can throw at us the only thing is that i am sure i don't have to tell the government this we have to be vigilant eternally vigilant don't take the adversary for granted don't take them lightly take every threat extremely seriously and we'll be fine so what india deeds right now india needs at least a decade of peace and we can only achieve peace through strength if we have a decade of peace we could conceivably reach the 10 trillion dollar mark within 10 to 15 years if we have peace if india remains at peace so that is the key to achieve peace and to maintain peace for 10 to 15 years until we reach the


peace for 10 to 15 years until we reach the 10 trillion dollar economy mark once we reach there we are a major power almost like a superpower speaking about history being cyclic india has been dominated by invasive forces because of the divide and rule policy primarily um and even today the nation internally is divided yes there is a very strong left-wing versus right-wing uh narrative that's going on in the nation uh do you think that both the narratives and i'm not highlighting one single one here both the narratives and kind of all the negativity on either side is driven through external chinese forces through psychological warfare or cyber warfare or are other rivals like for example could the left-wing narrative be driven by america for their interests or china for their interests and could the right-wing narrative be driven by someone else in russia is this a possibility it is a very good question so uh today we are we are living in a world where national borders are in some ways


in a world where national borders are in some ways irrelevant because of the cyberspace so so what's happening in india see in any society you need different opinions different positions there is a healthy society if you have only one opinion uniformity of uniformity of opinion that is not a healthy society that's that's very strange that's monochromatic and and unhealthy and unnatural so india is a vibrant democracy we have all kinds of different political opinions and all and it is categorized as left versus right and nowadays the right is dominant because for the kind of government we have which came because of the right wing so to say the right-wing viewpoint or worldview of india so we have this clash going on within india and the question you have asked is very important very uh yeah much of this could possibly being be orchestrated from abroad from outside of india because you see certain ideologies which are politically they don't have much currency in in india because we see the result


much currency in in india because we see the result of the elections and we see who's winning and yet these political certain political factions seem to be very powerful and they seem to have unlimited access of access to funds and all that so that is that is a very old trick in the playbook in the geopolitical playbook you fund certain political positions in a in the target country you prop up certain politicians or you you create new leaders out of nowhere like mr zelinsky right and then you use that to divide the country fragment the country and possibly bring your sort of person to power so that you can control the country without actually setting foot there so it is certainly a possibility i am not aware personally of who's funding what or if anybody is funding anyone at all but it is certainly a very significant possibility and it's certainly what the news traditionally will not tell you the news will never tell you that because even the news is sort of on one of the


even the news is sort of on one of the two sides and uh media generally you see narratives um you know being drawn by journalists who sometimes draw very anti-right-wing or anti-left-wing narrative uh you need to be able to read between the lines and most importantly the bottom line here is that the entire nation needs to come together and uh stop kind of focusing on elements of fear elements of what can go wrong and understand that the larger source of fears on the outside of the borders where we do have a threat in the form of china we sort of have an ambiguous threat in the form of usa as well uh you said something earlier on this podcast about how america possibly could have funded the terror attacks uh in that india so in the 80s and 90s we know that the terror attacks were funded by pakistan pakistan is not an economic superpower or to be able to have the money to execute such large-scale attacks they were getting the money from somewhere at that stage


they were getting the money from somewhere at that stage in the 80s and 90s most of the money yeah yeah but uh what was the us's intentions for orchestrating terror attacks in india so it's like this uh in i think it was in 1979 that the ussr's invasion of afghanistan happened now that was an expansion of the sphere of sphere of influence of the enemy nation for the u.s so what they did was they started this terrorist training program mujahideen terror training program in pakistan they provided all the unlimited funds to ziyal huk to start these uh mujahideen factories and they also provided unlimited weaponry and the idea was to wage a proxy war against the ussr in afghanistan and that's something that went on for the best part of a decade eventually the ussr was forced to withdraw so the american uh strategy worked now once the ussr withdrew what happened is that afghanistan came under the pakistani influence completely that's firstly there was this


pakistani influence completely that's firstly there was this northern there were these coalition governments they were there for some time but the pakistanis had created this massive mujahideen factory including the taliban the taliban was created there during the time of being as a buddha in the 90s that's that was the beginning of the taliban so once the afghanistan civil war ended these mujahideens they were like out of work there was only one work they knew fighting so then they were diverted into kashmir there is the prize the pakistani pakistanis extracted from the u.s we did this for you now you're gonna do this for us so and even while the afghanistan conflict was going on there was this insurgency going on terrorism going on in kashmir across the border all of that money was being was being sent by the u.s all the money the training the arms ammunition everything and once the afghanistan thing got settled all of that was poured into kashmir there was


all of that was poured into kashmir there was i think 1989 or something when suddenly there's this explosion of terrorism and kashmir so that is the that is when the kashmiri hindus the kashmir pundits were forced out of kashmir so that was all whether we like it or not there is there is no other way to say it it was all funded and financed by the us if you read the book sapiens you understand how religion can be used to manipulate people on either side i'm not about one religion in particular but any religion can be used against you your religion can be used against you because for you it's a sense of faith it's a sense of belonging and identity but uh anything that you give that much emotional importance to also becomes your point of weakness and someone can arm twist you and make you do things that you would have not normally done that's just how the nature of power and the nature of history is uh that especially when it


the nature of history is uh that especially when it comes to divide and rule policies people will catch you by the balls and make you do what they want like make you their puppet um so in a way what you're indirectly saying yourself is that everything we've seen in kashmir over the last 20 years 30 years all these indian military folks the indian military personnel who have been giving their life up for the situation in kashmir somewhere it's caused because of big daddy america yeah big daddy america's geopolitical interests the pakistanis used the americans and the americans knew what was happening they did not care about news the thing is initially the americans had tried to voo india during the time of mr nehru they had offered india nuclear technology and much more they had offered india permanent seat in the u.n security council to make us a bro to make us a bro in their cold war obviously they will have their own benefit in mind


obviously they will have their own benefit in mind but that's what they had offered india mr nehru said no no no no no multiple times then the u.s turned to pakistan and they just turned their backs on india and then they started seeing india as a geopolitical and long-term adversary because india went into the lap of the ussr through mr narrow that's what happened india became narrow side with ussr it's strange isn't it mr nehru was an anglophile he loved the british culture and all that he was a lover of the english language and all and yet he sided with the ussr not the english-speaking world it's because he was a fabian socialist that was his ideology that's what he he learned and absorbed during his years in england there is this society in england called the fabian socialist society it is a certain form of socialism which believes in very slow gradual change no revolutions no big reforms let change happen very slowly that's


big reforms let change happen very slowly that's called the nerubian rate of growth of the indian economy two percent per year so mr nero sided with the ussr instead of the us then the u.s started seeing india as the adversary they started funding and financing pakistan and they were okay to see india bleed they had made many other countries bleed so they are fine with that and then the pakistan is also the only thing that keeps alive the legitimacy of the pakistani armenian army and isi is this threat from india the pakistani army claims that india is an existential threat for pakistan even though india has never started a single war with pakistan but that's the only thing that keeps them in power that's what gives them legitimacy in the eyes of the people the moment that legitimacy goes away the people will rise up against them so they keep this threat of india alive and that's how they're able to keep this going so if you keep the


able to keep this going so if you keep the kashmir terrorism alive then india will be upset unhappy and there will be this tension constant tension which keeps the role of the pakistani army paramount in pakistan more than the prime minister and the government so that's what they have always been doing so now that big daddy us is gone they have big daddy xi jinping for now maybe in the future they'll go back to the us who knows what will happen so that's what they play that's the game they play hard-hitting question could there be a big daddy india for pakistan when india has sufficient money even i used to wonder why doesn't india buy pakistan out you buy the generals out they'll they'll move the quest the reason why this has never happened is that there are certain people who can always go beyond our offer as in let's say i offer the pakistani generals a billion dollars china can double that any time they want if i offer 2 billion


that any time they want if i offer 2 billion they will offer 4 billion they can it's like the game in in when you are when you are bidding for something and people are putting up their bids and then you announce that whoever bids the highest i'm gonna double it that's it end of story so then you buy the item right that sort of thing the pakistani generals and dictators are for sale but india doesn't have the deepest pockets there is a bigger guy out there there are two big guys out there the us and china who have deeper pockets in india and that's why the pakistanis always go towards that those two quarters the moment india becomes bigger than china let's say hypothetically that's when we can buy pakistan out we haven't really spoken about putin much on this particular podcast and it is at the end of the day a russia ukraine themed show because that one geopolitical event has set off so much else in the world um again


set off so much else in the world um again first covert happening then this happening i don't know what's gonna happen next uh is putin gonna be alive to see what's going to happen next because they say he's got blood cancer uh they say that he's sending uh look-alikes doppelgangers out and he himself is actually bedridden there's all these conspiracy theories about him out there right now what's the truth in terms of so how do you look at um kind of putin's angle in this whole war and i ask you this because i remember the last podcast we did you had mentioned a line saying that if russia wants they can actually take over ukraine in one shot yes uh but they they aren't doing that so i actually want to know everything about putin because again as we spoke about early on in the show it's a few group of men at the top who decide the future of their country and therefore the future of the world in some cases so let's


the future of the world in some cases so let's talk about the manner at the top so vladimir putin came to power about a couple of decades ago he came to power when his country was in ruins so after the collapse of the ussr uh boris yeltsin was in power and what he did was he put all of the money of the ussr in the hands of a few people the so-called oligarchs so the ussr was a collectivized society nobody held any private property but everybody worked and produced resources and the economy so in in effect the communist party was the custodian of the people's money the wealth there generated over generations of labor so all of that wealth was in the hands in the custody of the chinese of the ussr's communist party after the ussr broke up all of that wealth came into the hands and control of mr boris yeltsin and what he did is he parceled out all of this wealth and all the big industries into the hands of


and all the big industries into the hands of a few oligarchs of a few people who is his cronies and then these guys proceeded to destroy those industries so essentially one could say that mr yeltsin was an agent of the west and his task was to liquidate the wealth of the ussr so that russia would never be a threat again so after he moved on politically mr putin was appointed to power it was hoped i believe that he would be another puppet but he turned out to be something very different and he set about rebuilding the russian economy and the oligarchs are still there once something is in place it stays in place kind of and they are too powerful to be displaced so he worked with them and he slowly rebuilt the economy it was stabilized first the russians were standing in long queues for bread and soup you know that's how it was so mr putin stabilized the economy after a decade or so he started rebuilding the military and by


or so he started rebuilding the military and by 2014 he took over crimea because there was something left over from history and i'm sure this this entire ukraine thing was planned for a decade or so because it was known what the us was doing what nato was doing it was expanding eastwood's relentlessly so once you come to ukraine that's a red line the russians won't allow and that's why this entire thing has happened now when it comes to mr putin he's very secretive we don't know much about his personal life he is known to have been married he i think his two daughters uh it seems that he was divorced and he has some some gymnast girlfriend or whatever that's not important that's his personal life it has nothing to do with us but uh now there's rumors that you speak about that he may have blood cancer or some other form of abdominal cancer or something else well there is no evidence for it it's all coming out from the


evidence for it it's all coming out from the more or less western media we don't really know what's happening i i mean i'm personally not aware of whether he's sick or is well or whether it's all strategic ambiguity like they say we don't quite know in case he is not well then he would possibly conceivably have planned for a succession that after me who comes in because if he moves on if he passes away and a weak leader comes to power then his 20 years of work will be wasted so there will be some kind of succession plan in place which we don't know about in the chinese communist party there's a very clear uh method of succession you have to come to the top five in the party the politburo the central committee and from them from those guys one guy is chosen that's how it is and it's usually five years but now mr xi jinping has extended it beyond five years now in the case of mr putin there is no such mechanism


case of mr putin there is no such mechanism that we are aware of so i'm not sure what the succession plan is i i think he's already crossed 70 years of age so i'm sure he must have thought about it but we don't quite know and maybe it isn't by design that we don't know because we should never not never let know the world never let the world know what you're planning and i don't even trust mainstream media when it comes to the russia ukraine situation which is why i ask you sir as a geopolitical expert what's happening on ground today and what do you think putin is making of it so i try to source my information from various small uh outlets like twitter accounts and telegram accounts and all in addition to the mainstream picture so that i get two sides of the perspective because in mainstream social media you don't get the russian perspective you only get the ukraine and u.s perspective so what it appear what appears to be


perspective so what it appear what appears to be happening right now is that the russians are consolidating the their hold on the territories they have captured and they are inching forward and trying to uh denaxify those regions so the azov regiment and all they are being made to surrender or being wiped out that's what's happening they are creating these cold drones which is encircling the enemy and then wiping them out from inside asking them to surrender if they don't surrender you know what happens so that sort of thing so they have not used the air force much they have a massive air force the russians have hardly used their air force and they have a massively powerful military but they have been very restrained in their use of power so it is clear by now that they had limited objectives they did not want to take out the whole of ukraine or even half of ukraine they only wanted to take over the parts of ukraine which are russian speaking


the parts of ukraine which are russian speaking russian majority so that seems to be something they are close to accomplishing obviously the situation is still contested and the americans are pouring in uh weaponry and supplies into ukraine so that the ukrainians can keep on fighting so i it looks like this conflict will drag on the russians don't want to overwhelm the whole country it's not something they they want to over they don't want to overextend their army so it looks like this conflict will remain a low intensity conflict like an insurgency for the foreseeable future and the americans will fight till the last ukrainian is alive that's what it looks like i'll give you a analogy from judo because putin is also a judo cup yes in judo when you're having a match okay with someone suppose i'm fighting with you no matter whether you're big or you're small uh usually a lot of judokas kind of hit the other guy's leg with their own


of hit the other guy's leg with their own leg and you kind of throw these little jabs with your leg to just put the guy off balance and to intimidate and then at the right moment you throw the person yes and you win a judo match by throwing them cleanly it's like wrestling or holding them down for a while so i'm perceiving this as his version of hitting the leg of america as much as he can to just intimidate intimidate and kind of put them off guard and a throw will come and obviously my next question is when will that big throw come according to you that when is [ __ ] gonna break through is it going to be when china invades taiwan properly or india it could be a number of scenarios i think the russia ukraine situation seems to be stabilizing it is foolhardy to make predictions there but it seems to be the way it is and it may stay that way if if something happens it could happen most


way if if something happens it could happen most likely in the indo-pacific either india china or china taiwan these are the two most likely spots where trouble could erupt if it is india china it will happen before 2024. so we could be in i mean it could we could be in for something in the in the coming months possibly if if it is to happen otherwise it is taiwan which could happen anytime this decade the chinese will make a move thai one when they perceive that the time is right or if they start panicking that we are no longer progressing the way we want to progress and let's grab what we can before we become too weak so these are the two main possibilities the most likely possibilities if something happens i hope no war ever happens i would like peace but yeah it's either china india or china taiwan the russia ukraine thing seems to be stabilizing will a throw come from putin's side we don't know he is somebody


putin's side we don't know he is somebody that you can't really predict so he may also have planned something but i can't really tell as of today so everybody including the leaders of the top geopolitical experts citizens army generals are just sitting back and waiting and seeing who flips out first basically everybody's watching each other verily um wow this was a good podcaster uh speaking to you after i think six months now uh again it's another awesome special on the runway show uh so many more geopolitical angles that we can speak about uh but for this one for this geopolitics update so do you have any final kind of cues for the audience what i would say is that this decade the 2020s is going to be most likely the decade of vast geopolitical change typically you see geopolitical change decade upon decade if you go year upon year you don't see much happening but in this decade you're gonna see changes happen that typically take several decades to


see changes happen that typically take several decades to happen and it's already in motion so there could be a hot war this decade maybe in the coming years but the entire global chess board is going to be realigned by 23rd by 2030. that is for sure political borders national boundaries may change by 2030 so we need to be prepared mentally for this and we need to be resilient as a nation so thank you once again brilliant episode thank you thank you so much great fun that was the episode for today i missed abhijit on the show as much as you did he's going to be back for a lot more episodes very soon let me know what you thought of this particular episode also know we did two sequel episodes to this but on our hindi podcast trs hindi those were india pakistan specific because i feel like those episodes need to reach the masses this is an episode that should reach the world often in the west in europe and america you get your news through


in europe and america you get your news through traditional news media which may not be true one hundred percent of the time or you get your news possibly through twitter sources for me that's why i believe in abhiji charda he's a scientist he doesn't put forth his opinions at the most he puts forth his predictions based on facts based on pattern recognition that's how he predicts the neo geopolitical future lots more episodes coming up with him do tell us in the comments what you enjoyed about this particular episode do recommend more guests in this domain geopolitics is returning to the ranvi show it's a very important decade for all of us and i sincerely hope that the ranvi show becomes a big part of where you get your international news from because it's always going to be unfiltered it's always going to be hard hitting and it's always going to leave you a little bit different than what you were when you began listening to the episode let's wait and see what happens over the last


let's wait and see what happens over the last 10 years and for now let's look forward to another episode of the runway show with abhijit java [Music]


you have read about the stories of people who won lottery almost 96 percent of the people who win lottery will lose it in like six months to one year and will be poorer than they ever were both physically mentally the reason is they are not used to handling that much money and it happened to them without the journey and effort i was this person where when i look at my work and when i look at my screen i'll be doing my work in an orgasmic way by the way in the sense in the sense okay this one's a very fun but also very important podcast it's a story of teenage entrepreneurship from a middle class background no financial backing no business background here no real kind of boost at the start lots of young kids that i meet today often ask me how do i begin my career how do i find my passion how do i get into entrepreneurship and then you have stories of vishnu prasad he's just a year younger than me and trust me back in the mid


younger than me and trust me back in the mid 2000s you rarely heard of 13 year old dropouts or school dropouts who actually start successful businesses at the age of 16 he was employing 26 year olds at the age of 22 he found himself in silicon valley adding value to a business there and eventually selling that business off and now at the age of 28 he's launching vegan way his story is incredible when i heard a story my first instinct was this needs to be on the podcast this story should be shared with our audience as well enjoy the episode be inspired this is what it takes to build a successful career very early on in life vishnu prasad on the show [Music] that name sounds like a secret spy's name for some reason how are you brother doing great how are you doing ranveer great to be here likewise uh it's rare that you meet a serial entrepreneur who's just 27 years old and it's rare that you meet people who've kind of established


rare that you meet people who've kind of established their own careers at 27 you dropped out of school dude what's the deal with that you dropped out in what seven standard eight standard i dropped out after ten standard oh okay so i started uh freelancing when i was at my eighth grade and for the first two years it was largely figuring out things failing at almost all of the things that i did the moment i got to 10th grade got the hang of it started earning some income i mean it wasn't dollar so it was a lot of money in rupees back then what's the story like where were you what was going on i was in coimbatore coming from a very middle class family dad worked for a bsnl we got a subsidized internet connection at home uh used to spend like an hour a day with computers so one fine day uh i went to google and searched about iphone that was like the big thing happening in 2007-8 then i got exposed to multiple


in 2007-8 then i got exposed to multiple blogs reviews and whatnot so that took me on the path of setting up my own blog and getting my own domain registered d vishnu.com i actually was frustrated with my email address which which was like d underscore vishnu underscore prasad one two three yahoo.com that's what i got so i got my own domain name and i was so happy i put all my savings into getting that domain and i started blogging and i figured out get a freelancer.com where there were projects for content writing digital marketing and bid on a few projects learned salary through like freelancing yes basically when i was 13 94 okay uh so when you were 13 2007 i was a nine standard then i was just thinking of the girl i wanted to date i was just thinking of like at the most the most conscientious thing i was thinking of was my studies and here you are like making money from freelance gigs in 2007 it's not every day that you hear about a


it's not every day that you hear about a kid doing it nowadays kids do it but of course honestly there must have been something off in your head to do this bro like full way actually uh i was looking at my cousins and my family members typically everybody would go to the us to do the masters and works for a fang a facebook amazon netflix google one of these top companies microsoft and the only aim as a kid was to get into one of the top tier institutes in the country and then go to the us to do masters and i was looking at all of them studying for like you know until 25 years of age and i was 12 or 13 by then i was like if i do this i would be stuck for 13 more years and i hate doing this physics chemistry mathematics so i was like what is the other way around at the end of the day everybody are respecting those who are wealthy and who are accomplished and who made something for themselves so let's work


and who made something for themselves so let's work on building our competencies uh in some area right did you know coding back then no no no no no no coding this is just like street smarts basically yes so looking at other blogs that reviews let's say uh antivirus software i made my own antivirus review website and i tried to rank it on the top spots of google so it took two three years of figuring out nothing happened on day one i used to be disappointed and go to my mom and tell like you know uh mom i thought this will make me thousand dollars somebody told they will give me thousand dollars at that time it was 39 rupees per dollar 39 000 rupees i lost it and my mom was like wish no it's all okay you're anyway studying you will go to uh engineering and then you will do your masters then you will get a great job you will make lacks of rupees be happy and everybody used to take me for like okay he's playing some


used to take me for like okay he's playing some games and then you know as long as he's as long as he scores good marks in the school once he gets to the 10th and 12th grade we'll properly grind him until then let's leave him alone let him do his own thing i did all kinds of things right like i was working for 16 hours talking to all kinds of people failing at several things and then pulling off a few things and uh being in india and having been located in coimbatore also added to the advantage we had a lot of educated uh talent pool uh coming in as pressures and the whole industry was just evolving and then there's a 16 year old kid in coimbatore who's cracked the system i would tell people i'm 25 or 30 otherwise they wouldn't give me the projects yeah that's the question i have to do age work against you because when viraj and myself were starting monk entertainment just being 22 was working against us so much like


just being 22 was working against us so much like we had to really convince people to give us opportunities it worked against me in two ways but it was also an added advantage for me right like i uh see what happened to me as my blessing and privilege because you see uh i got a super early start right and i didn't have the pressure to perform when somebody starts in their entrepreneurial journey at 23 24 that is so much pressure to perform everybody are like if you go for a job that is an opportunity cost that they tie and tag to your profile if you graduate from iit and if you choose entrepreneurship you're always like you would have otherwise earned 30 lakhs per annum working for uh x company and 50 lakhs in equity working for y company why is it that you are pursuing your startup what if it fails so that uh pressure was not there i was at school i was expected to score 1995 marks which i would anyways do right uh and before i


which i would anyways do right uh and before i dropped out of school itself i built that momentum i got the team of 15 20 people i've got that early traction of making few thousands of dollars every month which was very strong validation rate and before i chose to completely drop out of education formal education and uh choose my path of entrepreneurship and pursue what i wanted to i already had a 40-50 member business we were making a few crores so i didn't perform or get into something with too much pressure to perform i do believe that the teenagers of today are way smarter than what we were i'm not talking about you i discount you from that generation you can definitely count me i was not a street math child i wouldn't have gone to iits at all listen man we're almost the same age and i know what kind of mindset was in teenagers minds back then i went to one of the best schools in the country and not one single kid thought the way you were


and not one single kid thought the way you were thinking back then to be able to start your own thing to not know what entrepreneurship is while doing it to be able to lead 25 year olds like you know you're what 27 no yes i turned 28 recently so your first employees are probably parents at this stage yeah yeah have any of them stuck around uh i am still in touch with most of them but because i sold the first business that i have built most of them went to that entity which acquired my company but a lot of them are now at uh super well off so i've had people from call centers and now they're making five six lakhs a month in a very positive way i'm saying this is a common there's something very off about you like like you're a psycho man very admirable about it let me share with you the story on how i got the first sales gig done right see i've always been this guy where i'll roll up my sleeves i'm like okay screw


roll up my sleeves i'm like okay screw it let's do it but then i fallen flat on my face most of the times and then realized it's okay to fall flat on your face to start with in any part of the journey see as a kid as a baby it takes one year to stand up and start walking and if you attribute that whole one year is it so difficult to walk it's actually not so difficult to walk until you learn how to walk it's so difficult once you have learned it it happens with ease and comfort right so that's the same thing until you learn something new you have to uh be out of the comfort zone i wouldn't even call that as a comfort zone because in today's world entrepreneurs attribute going out of the comfort zone to too much stress and too much uh hardships and pain and suffering right so one need not suffer in their journey towards building something massive at the end of the day everybody are working to make a difference and make


day everybody are working to make a difference and make an impact in the world that they live and earn a name for themselves so it is in the journey no matter how far you are or anybody is in the journey that journey is what that matters and not there is no end goal we have just discussed about uh you know shakes comparing elon musk and you know ambani looking up at ambani so there is no stopping right and uh one has to realize the pleasantness the joy and the calling in the journey that they are undertaking and if i repeatedly say i am kind i am compassionate i am blessed and my work is my worship and get started with my work and i repeat it 30 times until it really gets into my head my body and every cell uh within my body and i get to the work dude but on what basis did our top founder hire you like why did he we had a digital marketing company and we were already driving almost ten percent of his


and we were already driving almost ten percent of his sales of his sales yeah after the sales one one key feature here is that americans respect results you can deliver results for them correct they will respect and then they'll help you grow and i was already working for him for a year uh during the period when my visa was rejected we were still working for them but not i was not in the leadership team or anything we were working in an agency a client relationship and uh the moment i landed in the us we built a very good rapport he was an entrepreneur who moved from austria to the u.s and set up the business and he has also scaled up from the scratch and built uh the business that he did and he had seen a lot of value that i could bring forth to the table so immediately he was like you joined me full-time on board and uh i would like to take you to las vegas because why why vishnu he was like if he takes you to the last vegas he will


if he takes you to the last vegas he will be able to get a better deal okay okay right so uh and i was a teen totaler he underestimated my resistance right so then it's hold on let's let's take a break from this story uh you know when we do these meet and greets all over the country we get a lot of uh questions about how do you kind of keep yourself focused and on the grind while you're a teenager now the question i'm going to post you might seem a little uh rude and explicit but that's not the literal way in which i wish to ask it now while you're building all these businesses you didn't feel horny like say of course you would feel horny as a teenager and you have your urges right i would split the teenage into three parts between my uh 13 to 15 16 until when i was still at school so the school i went to girls and boys wouldn't talk to each other so no matter how horny you are you are kept


so no matter how horny you are you are kept aside and apart right and secondly the family i was born and brought up is okay if you are talking to a girl at this age we abandon you so nobody would respect you and you're gonna get get it big time back at home once they come to know so there is always this fear factor that restricts you to go out and talk to a girl and then make friends and then you know get it forward take it forward right so now things have changed kids do have smartphones [Laughter] and they can do things without the knowledge of parents back then it used to be like landline and my dad worked for bsn and he could listen to all the calls that i made to anybody in his face so it was difficult but how did you not get distracted by it like you're building a business speaking of 25 year olds and i'm sure you were also hot property amongst girls at that age most people didn't know rate what i was


that age most people didn't know rate what i was doing okay okay so they wouldn't know and at that time they were like see if i didn't know what entrepreneurship was obviously they didn't know and uh it's not in any degradatory sense or anything like that they were doing their own thing and for them scoring the top marks and then getting to an institution was everything academically and uh otherwise listening to the parents it was like a you know average school where most middle class children came right it was not a high five school where rich kids were sent to uh so that kept me a little bit off the distractions and secondly i should admit and say my computer and my laptop was in the living room in the house that i was born and brought up and you could see my computer and my laptop and also the tv from the street people would be walking outside my house in the street they could see my computer my laptop and my the television screen that's running you couldn't do anything but