here's part one his past everything he learned some of his most intense moments brought to you on the runway show namaste everyone welcome to an extremely special episode of the nvidia show sir absolute honor having you here let me tell you before we begin this is a very very requested episode right from the time we started we have indian army veteran major vivek jacob of the indian special forces so uh honor having you here victoria so uh did i did i introduce you right because when it comes to the indian army the aamjantha the public doesn't understand the way it's regimented the way the army is like divided people don't understand what the paramilitary is versus what the indian army is so of course we'll touch upon those points but this podcast is primarily about your story everything that you're doing with claw with operation blue freedom we'll touch upon all those topics uh but i'd like to actually begin with your own story like after the ending everyone knows


with your own story like after the ending everyone knows the journey till the end yeah what happens after that how does the indian army get divided so it all begins before you get into nda basically uh people have you know they want to join air force or army or navy mostly it's like that they already have like preconceived and some people are slightly on survival mode and all that they need to just get into the armed forces or something like that and then figure it out from there a lot of people don't know what it's all about so for them you know there's not much of difference between an army navy or an air force some people are like that as well but once you so you opt like that so you're when you you go through the merit and all those various stages which are there to enter into the nda you're classified into army navy air force you come like a carrot like that from there only so then till the fourth term of india you


so then till the fourth term of india you are trained similarly you all go through whether you army navy air force carrots you go through the same training till the fourth term fifth term system is when at least that's how it was in my time i don't know what it's like right now but in in the when you come to the fifth term you go you divide into specialized subjects towards the navy towards the air force towards the army like the air force guys start flying you know they start getting taught how to fly gliders uh and then uh the navy guys go into you know navigation and stuff like that of map reading at sea and stuff and the army guys go into weapon training and things like that which are more you know akin to the army kind of a job yes so when we finish off with all this training from india itself we divide out the navy guys go to the naval academy the you know air force guys go to the air


the you know air force guys go to the air force academy the army guys go to indian military academy then we spend about a year there in our various academies and then we get commissioned and go into our various services i went into the army i chose the army went into the army and after nda i went to ima in ima when you're completing a year and you're about to get commissioned there is a place where you have to opt for which particular regiment in the army you'd like to go to and what is that based on like what are the different options what goes on in your head so for uh there is a merit list which is prepared at the end of your training in indian military academy it is prepared during your you're at judge and uh in your service subjects in your physical performance in your sports and games in your leadership qualities etc etc etc and then you you are placed into a merit depending on your total number of points that you have


depending on your total number of points that you have so there is something called a super block and there's something called a par block so and everybody else in between so super block is the first 10 guys uh i don't even remember it's first 10 or first 20 or something like that they are the super block they are the top and merit in the course and they get to choose where they want to go provided there is a vacancy but mostly vacancies are there so they get to choose some people to opt for engineers some people opt for you know like technical arms or for the infantry or for the special forces it's like that so the first 20 guys get to choose what they want the next of the guys they also get to choose what they want but you know depending on the kind of vacancy it depends where you go and then there's the power block so the power block is apparently the lowest in merit and they also choose what they want they want but then depending on the kind of vacancies


they want but then depending on the kind of vacancies they get what is best available the overall logic behind all of this grading and spreading out is that equal amount of balanced uh personalities talent uh has to go into all regiments so you'll find a super block guy going to the same place and you'll find a par block guy also going to the same regiment but the special forces guys they get to they choose you have to volunteer for special forces yeah you have to sign a volunteer form and you have to you get three options option one option two option three every guy gets three options so like that so so like uh again the indian special forces for someone who knows about the army it's considered okay this is like the most for lack of a better badass part of the army am gender doesn't really understand what special forces entails could you expand a little bit on that because i'll tell you what perspective i'm coming from we see so much about us navy seals us


we see so much about us navy seals us marines and you know because of the media in hollywood and all its projected like oh these guys are the most badass mfos in the world and here we have the indian special forces were probably even more badass because of the kind of terrain we have in india because of all the different kinds of operations that the indian army deals with and there's not much about that out there and i know it's going to change the next 10 20 years so but if the change had to begin with this question how would you introduce the indian special forces to the indian audiences so this whole uh perception of what special forces is uh very understandably because people who are not in special forces who have not experienced what the job is have not gone through the training who have not gone through the combat experiences etc would like to delve into who is more who is less who is better who is you know more this or that but actually people who are


know more this or that but actually people who are actually in the special forces know that there is there's a certain kind of mindset you'll find a lot of people in the special forces who are not there right you mean not up to them yeah yeah not up to the mark yeah definitely they don't have what it takes to deliver what is required in combat from a mentality perspective yes it's all it's all uh what you do finally when when you know the [ __ ] is flying that's what makes you special forces you can wear any fancy uniform and you can carry any fancy weapon and all sorts of daggers and grenades and fly all sorts of drones and all sorts of uavs and all sorts of jazz you can have at your disposal but if you don't have that instinct to explore and to handle what you find when you when you are exploring then it's you know you're not there so all special forces across the world uh the people who are there uh who are going


uh the people who are there uh who are going through those experiences who have chosen those experiences we choose what we experience constantly so we are we are the same yeah it's the same exploratory spirit exported exploratory spirit which is transferred into your brain and generates thoughts and you act like that on the ground and in some way you have you have let go so you can explore that's a special forces mindset and that is shared by all special forces across the globe it's like that and uh in some previous podcast also i had mentioned like if you you send me naked on a mountain like you know like that that when i say me i'm talking about the special forces spirit right you send me a naked in a mountain and you leave me there i'll get back and i'll go and do what needs to be done because i've chosen that experience so that's where the spirit comes from where you are not satisfied with uh what is there you want to know more you want to explore


there you want to know more you want to explore more and in the quest of that exploration special forces is extreme because you're constantly placing your life on the line so when you're placing your life on the line you're going to circumstances in situations where you're placing the life your own life on the line and your life connected with all the attachments you've got with the rest of what is behind you your children your mother father brother sister love of your life etc etc right when you're you're able to put all of that there and then and then you know stand on the cutting edges of life and death you will find and that's a constant process constantly going through that constantly going through that so that's basically exploration yeah again like i know that you know an army man wouldn't like me saying that but again this is just for the aam janta this is the closest that real life gets to a rambo or a highest wing of the military where uh special forces are sent in


of the military where uh special forces are sent in functionally speaking when there is a say a difficult job to be done or a very important job to be done would the indian army send in special forces so it's not that there's any job which is difficult or which is easy or whatever and then special forces are sent to do the impossible and things like that it's just a matter of efficiency that is all efficiency so there are certain kind of tasks certain kind of roles in national security within and without the national boundaries of your particular nation whichever you may be from where the powers that be let's say the government or the armed forces uh who are operating in various theaters they they decide that okay this needs to be done and it needs to be done in this manner and they've got a variety of you know surgical instruments or you know hammers if you want to call them whatever so which they choose that okay uh this job requires to be done in this way this requires


job requires to be done in this way this requires the artillery to come in this requires the armored core to come in this requires the infantry to come in this requires the missile regiments to come and this requires the air force to do it this requires the special forces to do it it's like that so everyone is specializing in their job we are just specializing in what we have been like collected to do yeah and organized collected inspired and short out to do that's it yeah um so i've again hung around you guys for the last two three days i've seen the way or talk even at claw and of course we're gonna come to club no you have not seen it i mean i've seen a bit of it i've had like some glimpses and i've had deep conversations with major arun as well um one thing i've noticed is that you all focus a lot on teamwork which is the obvious thing i'm sure that's the obvious skill that gets polished through the course of going through


skill that gets polished through the course of going through the army the other thing i'd really again highlight is efficiency you guys constantly ask questions about processes and ask yourself how things can be improved so that's one thing i've noticed secondly i gotta bring this conversation to you on a very individual level um the podcast and you know we've had deep conversations about meditation it allows the meditator or the podcaster to psychoanalyze fairly well and i know that you guys i co-analyze people well as well that's a part of your job profile but when i psychoanalyze you so i feel like there's been three versions of you once the guy before you know the army started when you were studying for it the second is the guy who finished his term with the special forces and who took that call about okay now i want to change things up now let's take another roller coaster let's jump from this one to another one and the third one would be the guy you are right now who's


would be the guy you are right now who's still evolving and there's probably gonna be a fourth fifth sixth one uh might be an entrepreneur might be someone who runs a personal brand might be an online persona might be just a purpose-driven person might be a spiritual person towards the end whatever you are right now but i've seen these three distinct versions of you and often when i speak to podcast guests i can see a certain level of their life especially when they open up this much on the show a part of you sir i just feel like you've seen so many layers of things that it will take 10 podcasts to unlock everything you've seen so i'd actually love for you to highlight that journey especially i know there's gonna be more mindsets but would you agree with me when i say that till this point you've had three or max four different kinds of mindsets in your own life you had that self-evolution thrice or photo so it's what i have understood again whatever i say


it's what i have understood again whatever i say is my perception i am as imperfect as everyone else and as perfect as everyone else so it's my perception of from my experiences and my understanding and maybe my past lives and something like that exists or whatever so the thing is that what i what i understood is that there are three levels of consciousness at a baseline that is a follower a leader and an explorer so you can very easily classify people into life into these three categories people who follow who like like to follow something that makes sense to them people who like to lead people because that makes sense to them and then there are people who don't care about who's following or who's leading they're on their own trip right they're exploring explorating or exploring what it means to be themselves to be alive and to have a choice right so all human beings at various stages in their life are are existing in all these three spheres of following leading and exploring like even for example me every


following leading and exploring like even for example me every day i'm following someone i'm leading someone and i'm on my own trip as well i'm exploring so so it's like that so you shift consciousnesses you know or you sh you shift in the level of your perception of what is going around you outside and what is going around inside of you at various stages depending on where you are you will be functioning as such so yeah there will be shifts and all that all these shifts are there but actually what is there there is there is only pure consciousness actually that is only there right so it's that pure consciousness which is which is trying to find out itself right trying to understand itself realize itself so it can be free right and reach a level of vibration where it is in bliss forever if you want to you know call it like that so yeah so if i look at myself if i look back at my life and i see my consciousness level or my awareness levels and what


my consciousness level or my awareness levels and what drove me towards certain actions certain choices in life and now where i am where i was 10 years from now five years from now and where i'm going to be tomorrow as well there there are these shifting consciousnesses or awareness levels etc but there is one single thing which is constant throughout and that is a spirit to be free a spirit to be free actually yeah if you just want to crunch it the spirit to be free now that spirit to be free manifests itself in our life in these three levels sometimes you're following to learn something you know you'll meet some guru or you'll meet some you know you'll have a commanding officer in the army or somebody you look up to and you'll follow him by choice or by because of circumstances or whatever and then there is you will be placed on a leadership role everybody is in a leadership role in some way or the other and then when you then you are at an exploratory


then when you then you are at an exploratory stage also constantly now where your consciousness is operating at that point of time whether it is at an uh at a at a follower stage or a leader stage or at an exploratory stage at that particular moment is where you are where you are and then there is a general overall perception of a human being of his own life and in my case that's like a rocket you know i just want to fly off yeah yeah yeah um just reach what we already are it's just that journey of raising your awareness levels that's it um so devang from the claw team me and him were having a deep conversation yesterday about how you guys have your own trajectory when you joined the special forces and i've had these same conversations with major arun as well just very different mentality with you guys and from the outside looking in i believe it's because of two things in particular one is the training and the mentality you develop during the training you'll explain this


mentality you develop during the training you'll explain this to me and i'd love for you to cover that aspect on the podcast and the second thing is actual combat practicals if you may theory and your practicals of what you've studied i feel that that really changes you as a human being so first so would you agree when i say that yes absolutely absolutely your experiences unlock your own potential of what you are that's it could you highlight these two phases of your life and what you gained again as a man like you know because i feel every human being has that process where going from being a child to becoming an adult and it happens repeatedly but specifically when we're talking about the indian special forces i feel like these are the two big changes you're training and actually going through combat i'd love to know that so special forces uh is a state of mind like i said right it's a state of consciousness level it's a state of being exploratory in nature and willing to put in


being exploratory in nature and willing to put in all that you have to be able to see more to explore more at even the cost of your own life and your cost of the attachments that you have right so in the special forces or i'll speak about myself i would look even i would look for all these probationers who would come i would look for that spirit now if that guy had that spirit it's very easy to spot it you know tuck you can pick it up right so when you spot it then it's just a matter of letting it happen the selection process of special forces is so intense that you know all your all your paraphernalia of your ego and and and your perceptions of yourself and all those things they dissolve in the amount of energy which is expended or you are exposed to it just shatters all that is around you and very quickly you are brought out from there and then looked at so you mean like energy like physical mental emotional all kinds yeah


like energy like physical mental emotional all kinds yeah full spectrum of energy your circumstances around you the world that you are experiencing be it what your body is experiencing what your what your eyes are seeing basically what your mind is experiencing in those set of circumstances which are created time-tested set of circumstances which are created to break you and then see what is there and expose it bring it out and have a clear look at it and straight away make a judgment that do i want to walk with this man in combat or not if i'm going exploring would i want this guy by my side or not can i trust this man to be able to do what needs to be done right so uh so the first filtration process starts from the volunteering phase itself and uh so people it takes a lot to volunteer for the special force especially when you've been in the academy you've been in nda for three three and a half years whatever like me three and a half years i got


whatever like me three and a half years i got relegated i had a broken leg blah blah so three years in the nda and then one year in the ima and then after all of this intense amount of ragda that you get and you still choose for more right so it takes balls to fill in your volunteer form so when people volunteer uh that's the first level of clearance that they've already crossed and they volunteer for special forces when they take the decision to put their pen on that paper and sign it okay i want to go one level higher yeah i want to see more yeah so that's the volunteer of this thing and then you have to be at a certain level like there are merit lists and all that a lot a lot of people now apply for the special forces and all that in our time it wasn't so many but in my batch like it was an explosion normally there are five six guys out of a course of 350 or applying for special forces in my time there was


or applying for special forces in my time there was 33 34 people who applied so because our instructors who were there from the special forces were so inspiring so when you volunteer you come into the you come into the you know if you fit in the bracket of various things that are required you are you are picked up and you're allowed to come to a special forces unit and in that special forces unit when you come in from the from the moment you land up at that gate from there onwards your life shifts everything is stripped off you right right from your ego to your clothes to your whatever it is there you are brought into the moment and that moment is crushing in nature right like are you allowed to expand on that yeah like like what happens yeah so i'll complete what i'm saying and then take you down the various alleys you know so you're so you are you're basically you volunteer that's the level of clearance itself it takes a lot for a person to be able


it takes a lot for a person to be able to sign that form because he knows if he fails you know there's so many things to lose some so many people know that you're volunteering for the special forces and all that you don't make it there's so much of disappointment within and then if you have an ego you'll have you'll feel less because other people will judge you and stuff like that there's a lot to lose if you really think about it but then people who are able to and there is never any surety that you will make it there is never any surety only those people are sure who don't even think about it they just land up there right rest of the people who start judging whether i will get selected not get selected what will happen this will happen that will happen they go through a lot of inner turmoil and they have to deal with that besides dealing with what you know [ __ ] is being thrown at a volunteer so then when you reach the gate and then


volunteer so then when you reach the gate and then certain you come into an environment that environment is built to screw you is built to teach you break you and teach you new things but the spirit is the same so you it's you're already there you're just being taught right so uh you go through that process it's a three-month process and i was very fortunate to go through six months of that process because of various reasons and then when you go through that entire process uh you learn a lot not only about special forces skill sets and things like that but also you learn you come to realize about yourself a lot what your body is capable of what your mind is capable of what your heart is capable of and what is there beyond when you give up when you when you just let it all go and you're hanging by that thread of choice because it's a choice you made so you're hanging by the thread of choice constantly there constantly there and when you when that choice is so


constantly there and when you when that choice is so strong and you remain there that's what we are looking for self uh an ability to make a choice for yourself and stick by it so that's what filters out in combat you know that's what we want in combat so when when combat is happening when bullets are flying bombs are exploding people are freaking dying killing each other all that [ __ ] is happening intense amount of chaos it's chaos the whole universe is gone it's just live you're there right so it's at that time there is immense amount of clarity or there will be an immense amount of confusion so that difference between immense amount of clarity and immense amount of confusion is based on how much of an ability to make a choice you have got so that we are able to determine during the probation process itself during the selection process itself we are able to determine that is this guy going to stick or is he go is he going to run we


or is he go is he going to run we don't judge it it's okay to run or whatever it's natural but that's not what's going to work in combat man you know if you run you're weakening the the team itself so the team has to stand line up and [ __ ] get into it so it has to be like that you have to go in rather than get out you have to go and penetrate reach tear it open and open it up and make it your own you make that space your own so so there are certain kind of people who are at that consciousness level where they understand that the choice is theirs those are the kind of people we look for and the entire selection process is to be able to see uh whether that guy is like that or not so people are are are already like that so we choose from those people and the circumstances are such that all those people who are not already at that stage of making their own choices and sticking by them the rest


making their own choices and sticking by them the rest of them just get out from there they get out very very quickly there are some who are more and more so we that's why it is a long process people have different levels of being able to make a choice we want the guys who can make the ultimate choice because they made it and they can stick by it even if you know yamaraja comes and stands in front of you you'll tell a [ __ ] put a bullet in you man get the [ __ ] out of my way it's like that could you highlight the circumstances that actually cause the segregation like what does the training school put you through like just a few if you may so it's a dual process so special forces stand for efficiency it's the highest form of efficiency that a human being can achieve in this reality above this maybe it is the yogis or whatever you know when you come into this environment you are put into a dual process of being broken down shattered torn


a dual process of being broken down shattered torn apart right and being trained as well it has to be efficient because we [ __ ] get out from here you know it's like that tucked up right so you uh so you're being trained and you are being broken down as well at the same time so in this process of being trained and broken down at the same time you are uh you're taught certain skill sets right you're you're you're taught certain skill sets that you need to be able to execute in combat for example there may be explosive training there will be unarmed combat training there may be weapon training there may be endurance training there may be navigation training there a lot of things emergency medical first response training you know survival training etc etc etc you're being trained and you are being trained while being broken yeah so for example when your you know day starts if you're lucky your day starts around 4 4 30 otherwise if you're unlucky your day started yesterday you have not slept


your day started yesterday you have not slept and that could be like like couple of days in a stretch so for example uh i'll tell you i had a very i have a bad memory you know maybe that's why i'm so happy so i have a bad memory and all that and i was always like poor in gk you know like i i have no int i had no interest like things like that in who is president and who is who who is what it's not my purview of things that are affecting me right and uh when i came in so the whole day till 7 30 in the evening you are being taught and you're being screwed right you are being very screwed to then inch of your body choice right constantly and if it's over it's over like people just get up and sign and get out it finishes off that quickly there is no maybe you know one more chance or something like that so when you are uh so you know the whole day going through that


uh so you know the whole day going through that whole thing and 7 30 in the evening you're broken off that okay go have your dinner or whatever it is and then you know people go and prepare and all that so you're basically doing probation with the soldiers so officers soldiers whatever everyone is together you live together you eat together you train together everything is happening together so you go through the entire set of experiences till 7 30 in the evening or eight o'clock or whenever it is on that particular day and you're broken off gently broken off to go and prepare for the next day eat your dinner you know make your diet and your you know making stuff that can go in and give you energy and recover what you have lost and prepare you for the next day so 7 30 they would be broken off and i was the only officer doing probation there right so i would have to go to the officer's mess as the officers mess with the real probation would start


the officers mess with the real probation would start so all the all the bachelors of my particular unit would be there for dinner and it was compulsory for me to go there and have dinner and i would i would reach there half an hour early and i would be told you know i i had to learn everything which is there in the mess over over decades there are so many trophies and there are so many you know memorabilia and so many things which are there you have to learn each and every damn thing who gave it when did he gave it why did he give it you know what is the significance of it etc each and every there are hundreds of pieces lying around there right and then there are these people who have died in combat right like sudhir valian singh just wrote another various legends of our battalion who died in combat right so their their stories are there in the office's mess you see it sometime and then you you have to learn why who


sometime and then you you have to learn why who was he when did he you know get shut up you know how did he die and you know what was he awarded for and things like that so all of that you have to memorize memorize memorize and learn and learn and learn and then by the time everybody comes for dinner and then you sit and then the question answers start wow yeah so they'll start asking you okay it can start from anything it can start from like you you like what used to happen to me is like i would start putting like you're hungry you know the whole day it's been thrown out of you and you want you need that bloody food going into your body so then the first spoon is going into your mouth and you know somebody will just say uh jacob what is the moon phase today and there sorted so you know they'll start asking you questions to check your level of awareness and so many other things in which i used to fail all the time i


in which i used to fail all the time i didn't know [ __ ] jack [ __ ] what is the moon face who is the president who is nothing i knew nothing right and if you answer wrong what happens you're lying either you know or you don't know that's it so if you don't know and you say you don't know yeah so that's what i started doing i would just steve saying i don't know i don't know i don't know so the last one question i'd say i don't know they'll look here they're in extreme disgust this guy doesn't even know this like that like that like that so they'll keep asking keep asking keep asking keep asking and you know that this is called piling up right and then they'll just say you know you need to learn and all so they'll tell you okay do one thing half an hour guard check whole night so every half an hour you're circling the battalion the whole battalion there are a certain number of checkpoints


battalion there are a certain number of checkpoints there's moving patrols another very high level of security going on so yeah you're circling the whole battalion the whole night every half an hour you have to take one circle and then in the morning at five o'clock there's going to be a pd fall in and at 5 30 there's going to be a battle preparatory endurance test go where you will be competing with all those guys who broke off at 7 30 last night and they were like cooking you know meat and this and that and you know eating almonds and whatnot and all of that and they have slept and they're going to be running alongside you and you better be number one two or three ideally one or two so if you don't come one two or three you're out brother you can't make excuses that you know i didn't sleep last night and everybody knows you've not slept last night but you will yet perform because you have to lead these people in combat


perform because you have to lead these people in combat you have to lead the men in combat in special forces you don't lead by position of your rank or whatever there is no authority in combat when the [ __ ] is flying and death is like constantly zipping around you like like like that there is no authority there is no captain major kernel brigadier freaking no one it's just you and the people who are there with you and what are you going to do right now that is what decides leadership there that is what either keeps it all together or everything is destroyed so that's what is checked yeah so like that you go through a process and then again the next day and then again the next day and then again the next day like that like that like that six months um that's a little intense honestly to say the least but uh so like you get through this process and from what i hear it's a lot about breaking them and breaking through all the layers getting to the core and the process


all the layers getting to the core and the process of breaking those layers some people's cores break and those are the ones that leave and the ones who are left with that pure core they become more powerful what do you mean well now you realize yourself now you are you are you know what you are you just look back at what you have gone through for this long period of time you know and then you realize that nothing is impossible nothing nothing nothing so that's the kind of realization which is the chief weapon of a special forces operator who knows it that all this i have gone through now you just like whatever man whatever whatever yeah like they say that while you're training you should train you know for the worst case scenario so that when you're actually in the practical scenario it's not the worst case scenario because you've already gone through the grueling time in your training combat combat is touch and go actually no training can match combat no training do you feel that combat also continues your training process of course


feel that combat also continues your training process of course of course it's like a painter who hasn't painted if a special forces soldier has you know you've gone through nda you've gone through ima you've gone through a lot of [ __ ] in life you volunteered you got into uh you know reached the battalion you know gates of hell and you reached there and you've gone through a process of six months of bloody getting screwed up and this that and all that and and then you have not seen combat or you've seen very less of combat you are you're not there so combat you know airs you up even further combat actually places you at the right mindset and the more you see combat the more you see this what is combat combat is life death life death life death duality at its at its cutting [ __ ] edge that's combat right so when you're constantly on that cutting edge and choosing to be there you're evolving yeah so uh it can just keep getting intense and


yeah so uh it can just keep getting intense and intense and what happens that after a certain period of time depending on what your level of consciousness is where you already were you know so you are able to predict you're able to feel it like after a certain point like i i used to tell my guys that something's going to happen today i felt like uh i have known that something is going to happen i've told yeah yeah yeah the intuition becomes so powerful so powerful that it's there in your head in thought it comes from intuition it turns into thought and turns into action it's like that you're there you can see it i just want to highlight one thing for the audiences that this skill of intuition which you develop through the course of your journey suppose you end up going away from the army and try doing something after your army daniel you apply that intuition in your second innings as well and i've seen this with you captain raghu um just you're not


this with you captain raghu um just you're not taking your experience from the army and applying it in the real world to make the real world a better place but i'd still just like to highlight combat a little bit again so do you remember the first time you went into combat and you don't have to tell us where it was what happened but i'd love to know what the man in you was thinking was it just excitement was it aggression was it again did efficiency come to the top and were you very duty based were you in a state of flow so i remember my first combat experience i remember everything i did in the special forces every damn thing so what happened so when i went into combat the first time i was taken after my probation blah blah blah got selected became you know got into the lowest rung of the special forces team that was operating and i i was sitting on top of a mountain and we were supposed to go down into into a place into a very


to go down into into a place into a very deep revine with a very very very jagged terrain and we had to hold ground on top and we had to go down and you know do what we had come there to do so i was supposed to sit with the radio set and listen what my team commander told me my team gone was a very very very very very experienced and very balanced person in combat so he told me that you know jacob you do one thing you you know you this radio set that you have you sit right there on top of that mountain and he was also sitting you know some distance away from me on top of that mountain he was controlling the entire combat operation going on there he was watching and controlling and getting feed from all the all the squads which are out there and i was also sitting and he was sitting about maybe 20 30 meters in the forest on the other side and he told me you listen to the cricket match you listen and learn


you listen to the cricket match you listen and learn that's what he told me keep sitting there see what happens so i was sitting and waiting and then the two squads which are going down for the hit they were passing by just next to me yeah they were going down six and six so they were going down and i saw the last i was watching them go down and i knew [ __ ] they're going for combat right now they're gonna experience right now and the last guy was going and i just told my buddy i'm also going bye bye and i and i went down behind the last guy so i went down down down down and reached the point of where the contact was supposed to happen so i reached there and i informed my team commander that sir i am here now so he said okay obviously there is no extracting me back from there now because the contact is going to happen now right so he let it be it was my choice so and then


let it be it was my choice so and then first stop first contact first hit that's how i experienced it i chose it but when the bullets started flying and the bomb started exploding what was in your head years of training no no pure instinct pure instinct it's pure instinct your body just works wisely yeah see how what happens is like i said they're breaking it down yet they're training you as well so for example like so naturally i was a good marksman i was like pretty good with a weapon from childhood like my father's taught me i've been cleaning cleaning various kinds of weapons opening them up cleaning them up using them etc from a child like from class two three i've been handling pistols and things like that filling and ammunition and things like that at home on our dining table and all so i had a lot of experience with weapons and if you want to call it dna or whatever so my father was like a national shot he could write his name with a


a national shot he could write his name with a pistol yeah and uh so that experience was there probably in my dna or whatever and then i landed up in nine para special forces and then you know when i entered that gate like i said they straight away took us to the armory where the weapons are kept and they opened the gates of the armory and said you know pick up your weapons and they're all live weapons and no dummy weapons all live weapons and they told us that these weapons are going to stay with you for as long as you are here in this battalion and once you clear your selection then you can you know there are other things that you can be exposed to but this is your baby this is part of your body it doesn't go away from you so and then so then you're handed that's the first thing that happened to me they gave me a bloody ak-47 like they gave me they opened it up and i chose an ak-47 now i had certain


i chose an ak-47 now i had certain understanding of a weapon so of weapons so i chose a particular weapon that weapon for six months was stuck to my body whether if i was eating it was on my lap if i was rolling it was between my knees if i was sleeping it was tied to me if i was [ __ ] i was in i was holding it and it was constantly six months that that body was that weapon became a part of my body it was like with me stuck with me because if if it separates from you the whole you know unit is waiting for that weapon to separate from you they'll try to they'll break you down so much that you'll get confused and you'll lose the weapon for a minute two minutes if it's away from you they'll take out the moving parts and you will not even realize that the firing pin is gone you realize it when you go for firing in your crick and no bullet comes out you realize the bloody


and no bullet comes out you realize the bloody firing pin is gone and if that goes you are gone you're you're told to leave given some beer drink beer happy no no no hard feelings and bye bye buddy you know so it's like that so because of six months that damn thing was with me it became so so much of a part of my body that wherever i would point my finger the damn bullet would go there only so in the first contact it's a flash most contacts are a flash right there is no intense prolonged battles going on we don't want to get into prolonged battles and all right we want to just go there and finish it off go and hit smash out right so when that first contact happened it was an instinct instinct see the attack truck it was like that there was no you know schist milan gay and we will foresight back sight and whatnot and you will take deep breath and this that and pull trigger slightly and all that it's


that and pull trigger slightly and all that it's not like that it's just like that it finishes like that efficiency comes to the focus yes muscle memory confidence coupled with muscle memory so if you take sports shooters right people who who are shooting for sport right air pistols rifles big boar etc whatever it is even like your skeet and trap or whatever that you are into what happens is that uh you are capable of a human body and and the human mind is capable of photocopying each and every action it's capable of that right and these are very controlled environments the ac is on there is no sound nobody's disturbing you you're at the right temperature you've eaten the right kind of food you've slept well etc etc etc etc so that when you go into and you're able to repeat the same 10 10 10 10 10 10 like that right combat is not like that so uh you're in combat it's all chaos so in that entire chaos if you can you know


in that entire chaos if you can you know in that one flash you have to hit a bloody ten man because if you don't hit a ten there is going to ten ten bullets going to come towards you there burst will come there are no single bullet coming towards you it will come like a [ __ ] wave boom like that will come like that and so you don't want that happening right so instinctively you reach that level of uh survival and exploration where you're you go it's one shot one shot is a 10. yeah are you are you allowed to speak of the most difficult mission you had to face through your tenure just a bit of it like or what you found you know to be challenging yeah only one uh and i'll tell you what was challenging about it but uh i enjoyed my life in the special forces constantly evolving no constantly at the cutting edge and every combat situation is new yeah yeah like for every day every every day you know you know


for every day every every day you know you know circumstances are different the people you meet are different things that happen to your different the different food that you eat etc etc there's variety in life similarly in combat there's no combat situation is the same none none whatsoever and in my case what i got to experience was i've never like had the you know good fortune of sitting and waiting and in a perfect situation where you just go crack and it's over it's never happened like that with me what has happened with me is that i have reached a certain place reached there and then things have played like all my contacts that i've had are moving contacts moving flashes finished correct finish like that prolonged battle as like very few few times where something prolonged into something and it's like um so the most challenging thing i ever found was when one of my guys got injured but that was the calmest i've ever been i was able to extract that man from death it was


was able to extract that man from death it was when i say i i mean my team we were a very small team very few guys heavily laden with combat gear and all the things that you need in various kinds of situations that may come up during combat you're not going to get a chance to go home and oh i forgot this i'll get that not happening brother so what does happen is that you so years and years of experience and experience and experience and experience at that point where you've been able to calculate every damn thing and reach that situation as prepared as you can be in equipment in training in mindset in experience and etc all of that crunched into that you know four or five minutes or one two minutes or whatever so we were in a very very very very very difficult place and guys like blew up and yeah it was like i was looking at that guy and i was thinking no he's dead he's going to die right in front of my eyes he's and we


die right in front of my eyes he's and we were like we are like brothers because in combat you know like i said there is no there is no major captain colonel brigadier all that doesn't exist there what exists only that exists in combat is love is love yes yes yes i love my men i still love them as this love only love can penetrate like that nothing else only love can be that efficient so it's that love which forms after trust trust comes before love so then the love comes and then that with that love vibration you can [ __ ] penetrate anything so at that point of time when i was seeing this guy and and what a guy man what a guy like his his like ankle below was gone there was space there and then his his his one foot which had basically blown up uh there was only one bone there's the bone of the longest toe you know that was just there was no flesh on it it was just a boon and which had broken in like


was just a boon and which had broken in like a hook and there was nothing else there and this guy was like he had his hands behind his back like this we extracted him in five minutes five minutes i had formed a protective circle around him and we were like pumping him with morphine we're pumping him with iv we put in iv we put in tetanus we'd like you know bandage the wound he was sporting blood like like a you know like a machine every time he would pump he would spray blood like that and uh within five minutes we had like sorted him out we had brought the blood down to a trickle and we had administered whatever what was needed to be done there was no doctor there it it's just us so you're trained to be able to handle something like that and then it goes into instinct and only love can actually get something out like that so that guy had such [ __ ] balls on him he was he was like this and he was just looking


was he was like this and he was just looking at his foot like that just looking he wasn't saying anything and i was just looking if this guy starts screaming right now because he's staring death in the face he's he is so calm he knows he's going to die now he knows it so while we were doing that i was looking at him what is he going to do when is he going to start screaming he did not scream so while we were doing it and then there was a little piece piece of his heel which was hanging off so we were trying to put it back on the bone and then trying to you know bind it up because it will be needed later when he gets and it gets it will become a stump so the stump can take the prosthetic right so we were just putting that heel back so that he has some cushioning and all later on in life and he was just looking like that and that's when he opened his mouth and he said that


that's when he opened his mouth and he said that it's fake though so basically just chop it off and throw it away just do it whatever you're doing so we told him and just did what we had to do and at that point of time you know so at that point we had it it had taken us like 48 hours to reach there down down a jagged mountain yet fix ropes and what not to reach there but then to [ __ ] pull him out from there it is it has taken us two nights of climbing down and this guy is going to die very very soon he knows that there is no way there is no way humanly possible for him to reach a reach of reach medical attention the kind of emergency medical attention he requires right now but we did it yeah there's a guy who was when we were like laden with i was carrying about 30 35 kgs as a team commander right imagine what all of us were carrying and when we started like we did not go


carrying and when we started like we did not go like this like that or something just straight away like that we went like that like a [ __ ] rocket see i just [ __ ] picked him up surrounded him there's a guy who there was a guy on my team a very young guy and he's he was like a big man and uh uh he was new relatively new and it was his like first combat experience and all that's what i'm talking about love so he just lifted that guy on his back right just lifted that guy on his back and said i'll climb and we needed that we needed that at that point because various reasons blood flow blah blah blah and there's probably enemies around yeah yeah obviously yeah there are enemies around and they know what's up so they're hunting you now so you have to get out not because you're afraid or anything of contact of combat that's what you've come here for like bring them on man we were [ __ ] like that


them on man we were [ __ ] like that buddy you know six of us if we were at that stage if we got surrounded if we got surrounded by whoever we got surrounded it would take them one year to kill us one year unless they bloody bombed the area that that level so when this guy picked him up you know this uh let's call him a so a picked up uh the guy who had blown off his leg this guy started saying no no no put me down i'll walk and go i'll walk and go that's what he was saying his leg is gone like his ankle below gone and he's saying that no no you put me down i'll walk and go i'll carry my weapon he was carrying his iv bottle in one hand in which he was getting iv fluid inside his body and he was carrying his weapon he was saying no i'll walk so i had to tell him brother please climb on his back so he just he said okay okay let it


back so he just he said okay okay let it go so he climbed on his back and we were going and there was this huge rock in that nala where this guy put his foot on to climb up and that huge rock like rolled rolled onto his shin bone and he just sat down and and the guy was carrying the other fellow he just sat down caught his foot like this and like about 30 40 seconds he was like this and then he got up and told him you climb again and we and we started climbing and climbing and climbing and climbing and climbing and climbing and and we had him extracted by 3 30 am in the morning i had him on the [ __ ] helipad man and uh he was out he was out and then you know whatever so that was pretty intense yeah so that particular situation like it was so much of intense hard work and planning and guts and balls and [ __ ] what not had gone into being there at


what not had gone into being there at that point of time and uh it was a long plan days and days of stretch there in that position and and on the fifth day in the morning i started getting a feeling of dread it's the first time i felt dread in combat i've never felt dread or fear or anything just there's no mind space for all of that you are in combat and you start feeling fear you're not going to get out of your life and it's a natural body instinct you know fight or flight so you're in the fight mode man so at that point of time on that fifth day and we had long stretch ahead of us on that fifth day in the morning you know and i was just thinking and this dread started building building building building building building building and by around 9 30 10 o'clock in the morning i wanted to get out from there i wanted to leave that and i just kept thinking you know in 12 years this is the first time i want to


12 years this is the first time i want to leave combat i don't want to be here i want to get out why so i was thinking trying to use my mind to understand what am i feeling so it was so [ __ ] intense right you can't ignore it you can't suppress it that kind of dread was coming in so i was thinking why is this it had never happened to me before before all the intuitions i had was that like something is going to happen and i've gone in to take it right but this was i wanted to get out so i was thinking why so i was thinking you know maybe maybe what do i want to get back to i want to get back up there where there'll be a warm blanket and there'll be some rum to drink and there'll be some chicken to eat and all of that because the starving and all of that right so i was thinking maybe i become lazy i become lazy in my head i've spent so much time in this thing


my head i've spent so much time in this thing and now i'm becoming becoming like the other guys who left because they couldn't handle it anymore so i've become like that i'm becoming lazy that's why i want to go so i told [ __ ] no way i'm not going back for that reason so i stayed put but the dread kept becoming bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and that's the first time i smoked in combat i couldn't like help it i just i just pulled out a [ __ ] cigarette to suppress that dread it had reached such a bloody level i just and i you can't tell that to the other guy sitting around you yeah yeah because you're leading them so it was just i was processing inside and thinking thinking and i think by around around 4 30 in the evening i was like i had pressed my radio set button and i was going to tell the other guys we were like two squads out right i was going to


were like two squads out right i was going to tell the other squad extract get out come to me and we'll get out from here i was i pressed the switch and i was going to pass and i left it i decided at that point no i'll see this through i'm not going from here because i couldn't understand why i want to get out so i just crushed that feeling of wanting to get out and i stayed put and around like 20 25 minutes later boom and then like five minutes of radio silence so i knew some [ __ ] has gone bad various permutations combinations came in my head there were people my own squad guys telling me you know open the radio ask them what's up what's up what's up what's up what's happened what's happened i was telling i knew [ __ ] has hit the fan like who the guy who's leading that squad right i was leading two squads so the guy was leading that squad that small team so i


was leading that squad that small team so i was waiting for him five minutes i waited sitting on the radio waiting for him because i knew he's in chaos right now he's in [ __ ] chaos right now and the last thing he [ __ ] needs to hear from me is what the [ __ ] is going on he'll [ __ ] handle it yeah that's what he's been trained for and at the end of the day you know either god is walking with us or not yeah we'll find out right what we'll see so five minutes i just waiting waiting waiting waiting waiting waiting waiting and he came on the radio and told me [ __ ] has hit the fan guys blown his leg so you cannot lose another guy because you will not be able to extract because then the load will become too heavy so you cannot have another casualty trying to extract another casualty so we did certain things after that at that point of time and that was a situation that you're not taught you


that was a situation that you're not taught you see it experience it so that that heart that confidence in love and the skill sets and your experiences all of that crunch together gives you [ __ ] clarity like nobody's business and with that clarity you're able to go in and then face what is there and in that particular case we were able to successfully extract the guy yeah yeah um whenever i talk to someone from the army like the two things that really stick out for me are leadership and brotherhood um you know you spoke about a sense of love and that's what actually triggered this whole situation even within your mind so what have you learned about leadership so through that tenure and i'd also love to ask you that you said that while there's no hierarchy in combat i'm sure that through the course of multiple combat situations some people come out as the leaders so how are they collectively chosen who's chosen as that guy who says that okay here's what we'll do and


who says that okay here's what we'll do and then you create that listening ability i'll tell you so what did it teach me about leadership is that what you asked me yes leadership is about responsibility it's about the man who can take on that responsibility it's as simple as that it starts with that right so there is pre-combat there is combat there is no post combat post combat is only analysis of all the [ __ ] that you have done but pre-combat is preparation for combat and then there is combat both require extreme amount of leadership skills because your life is your life and i say my life means my team my team my life right is is dependent on me and you know you're wearing some funny ranks and all that so that is supposed to be placing you in a position of responsibility but in a way it is easy to lead a special forces team because all of them are bad [ __ ] you know they're [ __ ] good so and they all love no that's only


good so and they all love no that's only that's the only way you can survive there if you love each other only that's the way otherwise you will fail and if you fail you will pay the price in blood so it's like that so leadership is a responsibility it's simple as that those people who can take on that kind of responsibility are natural leaders they're in the vibration of leadership if you want to call it right but you're also constantly following things also at that point of time but you're calling the shots right ultimately you are listening following thinking analyzing all of that freaking going on and then you're calling the shot that this is what we're going to do right so you have to trust so leadership is about responsibility being able to take on responsibility and being able to [ __ ] trust yourself to take on that responsibility right it's not that you know you lose some money or you know you'll break some friendship or some [ __ ] like that you'll [ __ ] die


[ __ ] like that you'll [ __ ] die if you die it's all well and good your maya is over but then then the rest of the guys if somebody else dies you are going to sit here and watch his children weep and his children go through various things and you know you'll miss him and things like that and you will judge yourself why why so do all those things you know so during combat combat is like like a purification it's like titration you know only only those who can lead who have got all it takes to lead at that point of time when chaos has hit you smashed you right smashed everything that you had planned and just smashes into you chaos begins at that point of time you can you have to be bigger than that chaos and the only thing that is bigger than that [ __ ] chaos is your is the [ __ ] trust you have in yourself and all the bloody all that life has put you through and then finally being able to throw


put you through and then finally being able to throw it all in that moment be more chaotic than [ __ ] chaos you know that's what's going to get you through so at that point of time in especially like in combat and all like we don't wear ranks and all those things so we don't wear ranks we don't wear if you see like if you'd seen me in combat you would like you'd be confused who the [ __ ] am i right like that so to give you an example so when i was very young when i when i when i was very young in in combat at that point of time we were penetrating into a place heavily infested heavily infested and we were penetrating deep inside to hit some particular target and we were on the side of a mountain and we were going on the mountain track like that at night must have been around 8 30 9 30 at night and uh there was no it was a naked mountain basically there was no undergrowth no trees


mountain basically there was no undergrowth no trees no cover no rock nothing it was just grass like that and like that and we were going like this the whole team there whole team in which i was like a new guy and uh you know special forces guys can be pretty ruthless if you interact with them they will ridicule you they will make fun or whatever you know it's like that depending on the kind of personality you're coming across right and the soldiers and all they will not give you your respect because you're just fearing a left hand or a captain or whatever it is there you are they will give you respect when they respect you it's like that when they [ __ ] their heart feel respect for you that is when they will respect you otherwise they will not respect you and in combat respect is a is the most most uh most important tool to be execute to be able to execute that combat situation that chaotic [ __ ] situation um with precise efficiency because the respect will keep


um with precise efficiency because the respect will keep everything together and love in a slightly higher format but love takes time right so when we were going down up the side of that mountain like that there was a huge like like nala below us and then there was the other mountain on the right side and suddenly a whole like machine gun fire started on us accurate machine gun fire like you have to like hear it to experience it to understand what how chaos comes out of the darkness just boom accurate [ __ ] buddy this big [ __ ] bullets coming at you man bouncing off all of the [ __ ] place at night so the whole team whole team i was in the lead group and uh though i like whole team went down whole team went down into the ground and there was like there was no space to hide there was no space to hide but you're like you just find that [ __ ] space man like you know the [ __ ] quarter centimeter you'll get into it right and


quarter centimeter you'll get into it right and i was just it it had just started and i was just looking i was also down all of us were down i just looked ahead and these two three guys had of me and i looked behind whatever till where i could see i could i could see whole column down and it's just started like two seconds into combat right two seconds into being ambushed we were ambushed so two seconds into that and uh i just thought at that point of time that the man who stands now and returns fire he's the leader the man who stands now stands now in that [ __ ] hail of [ __ ] machine gun fire who stands now and [ __ ] gives it back because that's the only way you can stop that otherwise they'll keep [ __ ] there no endless ammunition and soon you know rocket launchers will come and soon a lot of other [ __ ] is going to follow right so the man who stands now is the [ __ ] leader of this group


now is the [ __ ] leader of this group so i stood up and i started [ __ ] firing back and as i was firing back and i started seeing people started standing and [ __ ] firing back giving [ __ ] [ __ ] back and that's how we controlled that situation yeah that's leadership you got to earn the respect there is no earning and all year it is just who you are you are as simple as that you don't have to earn respect you don't have to do anything but be yourself here that's all when chaos hits around you if you can center in the more chaos the more centered the more efficient the more chances of getting out alive with everyone all the people you love you can get all of them out it's like that so you also told me this other really intense thing for me uh which is that in all your missions you've not seen casualties to the extent where you know i don't think you've taken a bullet yourself also you've not had


you've taken a bullet yourself also you've not had a bullet injury nothing nothing has there been a hand of god over your head or is it is it training is it good leadership is it being aware it's a choice ultimately it's a choice and there's a choice you make and the circumstances will be as such but you will be tested brother don't be tested what do you mean so so like i said there is no you know easy combat situation that i was like i had the good fortune to experience where i would just be you know things would just happen and just press the [ __ ] trigger and it's all over and we just collect what we have come to collect and move off it's never been like that all chaos has hit every [ __ ] time chaos has hit right all the point till the point of penetration till the point of [ __ ] contact smooth hot knife through butter right but at that point explosion contact chaos chaos chaos right through that chaos never lost


chaos chaos right through that chaos never lost a guy never got hit no one no one got hit ever in nine and a half years right and the the first time like when like this situation where this guy blew up his leg uh that's the point is the only mistake or you want to call it whatever you want to call it it's perception but yeah that's it that was it so yes never taken a bullet had enough of [ __ ] bullets fired at me i've had [ __ ] weapons shoved in my face i go to [ __ ] i've been surrounded by enemy i opened my hands like this and looked at him in the [ __ ] eye and told him it's okay i've killed four like you okay kill me man [ __ ] off right and then look beyond what is death to see what is there now to see it there is nothing to see it and experience it like my whole life flashed in front of it three times it has happened the whole


of it three times it has happened the whole life whole life it's like a photo album you know you have in your hand and you go like that all your life entire life in photographs each photograph having channels of videos whole life flash like that it's a flash it's beyond time there is no time it doesn't happen in a micro second or one second or 10 seconds or whatever just happens stuck so yes there have been lot of out of control chaos which has come like that come suddenly come without warning and got out of it yeah and safe so except the last one well guys i'm sorry we had to cut the conversation at that part there is a part two to this conversation that's coming up very very soon more of this legends mindset more of this legend stories and that part two of this conversation is going to be about what major vivek jacob is up to at this stage of his life some very very special work that this man and his team are doing in the world i


man and his team are doing in the world i hope you enjoy part two just as much [Music] you


what's good everybody welcome to another gorgeous value-adding podcast episode with my own biggest mentor Manish Pandey he's a big brother to me he's one of India's biggest and brightest digital marketing minds and he's one of the most spiritually advanced people you'll ever come across in your life he's mentored me for the last three years he's basically helped us construct all this the monkey office the monkey company the Bo Bice's brand the Ranveer Labbadia brand he's a business coach he's a spiritual guide to a lot of people but above all he's a genuine family member to those he mentors so through this 1 hour long episode I'm trying to go over our mentoring story how we met each other what ways he mentored me and and obviously we're also gonna talk about a lot of dark secrets from my past so I hope you'll enjoy this episode he's gonna be back on the podcast for a lot of episodes because one hour isn't enough to justify the knowledge


because one hour isn't enough to justify the knowledge that this man possesses in his mind I hope you enjoy the episode I promise you that if you get through the entire length of it you'll come out a different person this is your mentoring session as much as it was mine enjoy yourselves welcome to our latest podcast episode this time we've got my mentor my big brother mr. Manish Pandey Manish Pandey has got one of the most incredible stories he's gone from being I'm gonna go into the detail okay he's gone from working in like a factory as almost like a child labor oh yeah to rising and becoming one of the country's top digital marketing minds am I allowed to say that yeah I mean yes oh he's legit one of the top marketing minds in the country he's also incredibly advanced on the yogic path he's also someone who kind of turned me from a party boy meat guzzling fun-loving wanting to do business potential businessman to whatever I am today which


do business potential businessman to whatever I am today which I call I think kind of like a yogi businessman so Manish this is gonna be one most interesting episodes I'm gonna take you guys through the whole story of how we met the kind of changes he brought into my life today Manish also mentors are the huge YouTube talent to some extent a Mentos boo and mom he's spoken to project on detail he speaks to every single person in office ad manga a team and he's personally meant Valachi ate my co-founder so I think this is gonna be a very value adding episode for you if you're looking for that little extra push to yourself if you want to get to the next level in life you're gonna gain a lot from just listening to this conversation through the beautiful story of Ranbir and money bro thank you for being on the podcast my pleasure thank you for guiding me through every single day of my career since I've met you thank you for getting me out of those


met you thank you for getting me out of those overthinking tangents that I went on like I remember calling you so many times I'm saying array ideas any of your channel bundle corny mono I went on all these deep tangents and you'd very calmly pull me out and today I think all the talents we've signed onto monkey I'm kind of doing that for them where I think creative people generally are a little unstable that was the goal yeah so so I mean just to put a thought across me talking to all the youtubers and everything is because I've met all of them because of you and when I don't want anyone to mistake when I say mentor meant I'm not a teacher to anyone it's just that we meet and we talk and in conversation some things come out and I end up saying things and they they I think they applied they don't apply I don't know that but they feel good about that and it's very logical logical yeah so I've had conversation with all the


logical logical yeah so I've had conversation with all the names that you took but officially it would wrong to be wrong to say that I have mentored them or anything like that but yes honestly we have conversations I mean from that conversation you know in a mentor is something that anyone can become to anyone like and can become a mentor to an elephant yeah I also feel that you know the one advantage you have all of us is that you began your career at 18 immediately after 1200 you started your career in kind of the digital marketer yeah professionally yes like that but like as you rightly said I started working when I was eleven year old yeah so I was I started taking tuitions because the conditions were like that that I had family of the family so actor support so you know when I was in 5th standard I used to take tuitions for kids of 3rd standard and seconds tiny easier for me when I went to 6th that came like thought to give a cheer for 350 a


came like thought to give a cheer for 350 a bunch and I was making money in contributing right so there was requirement of the time and you know I don't I don't have any regrets about it it made me stronger only yeah it made me very you know independent only wise a lot of things wiser yes and intelligent at the same time not forgetting my basics mmm so it added a lot of value you know I'm thankful for that kind of situation that I got yeah before we get actually into a detailed story of what happened like how many Jamie became so close I want to just give you all a brief overview of what he does so he's the head of content at Jewish talks today ah not head of content I used to head research at Joe stocks okay and now I head culture and growth okay but that's one of the many things you do yeah you're a consultant to so many big companies you work on TEDx gateway yeah friends I mean it would be great to say


yeah friends I mean it would be great to say friends because when you say consultant it's like you draw money but too many people I talk to and I am NOT that person who goes and draws money out of ya you know all those things even though you can I can but I don't feel the one of it I am okay I mean I'm very very happy the kind of work that I'm doing with Joe stocks very very dear and very close to my heart yeah you know you've seen it personally how we work there and absolutely in love with the team their show be it's Supriya you know all these guys with Anthony I love them a lot and you know we like family all also unlike a startup level you're someone who's like helped a lot of a startup so well I mean same as I said same with the youtubers I meet them we talk for a couple of hours and something comes out so I don't want to take credit for it because I had a conversation something came


credit for it because I had a conversation something came out it came from inside me or whatever came out of me is not mine anymore so I cannot hold the right of content or whatever say copyright as I continue that it's after see run we're if I gave you some advice it's yours now I cannot go and market key edik Ranbir any marry where you say is IKEA or that is wrong that's spiritually wrong here and for those of you doubting this I have you know who theater near me so that's something I got to know later that people like this definitely exists in the world I'm gonna tell you all about like money is power in the startup world he's single-handedly helped startups like almost 10x there every new 20x that ever knew things like that by being like just a small consultant on the sort of a mentor to the whole team things like that that's what he's pretty much done for monkey as well also on a yogic level dude because of your family


on a yogic level dude because of your family lineage the stuff your Nana she taught yes yes you are extremely advanced spiritually yes I mean you can say that I mean I the the there is no scale to measure or there is no certification or there is no level not okay you are on level 12 11 13 if they are they are all false yeah you know if they are there in the market that level one yoga level 2 yoga it's all false it's a journey goal and there cannot be levels of it yeah and there is no age of attaining those level maybe a five-year-old tomorrow will be more space spiritually advanced you know put together all the spiritual person in the world we don't know about it and maybe a 60 year old will not be a spiritual spiritual advance at all yeah so that's the reason I come across too many people in my life who are way older than my age but I end up kind of giving them something and I have met couple of very


them something and I have met couple of very young people and like they you know younger than me and they have taught me a lot of things yeah but yeah also like I think spirituality is one of the things that just stabilizes you from the inside it also helps your mind grow a lot in terms of your brain works fast you know what it unlocks your inner potential yeah it just breaks your thought process it makes you think out of the box and I feel entrepreneurs need a spiritual side it's everyone needs it but probably the people who need you the most are people are working in a start-up in their twenties and entrepreneurs in her 20s who need creativity who need that little extra bit of stamina to work on weekends things like yes I tell I always tell this thing there are two things in the world one you become rich another you become wealthy and when I say rich that means maybe money but when I say wealthy you have a lot of things in it and spirituality is


have a lot of things in it and spirituality is one of them do have spirituality we dividend you is very very important and it's rare it is like how common sense is rare mmm it's same thing like a common sense is very easy right but not everyone holds it same with spirituality it's easy by the tough path God so anyone we're gonna come to the story and why we gave you guys a background on all this because just true probably the BAL buta of the story people booth a but - through the Bible story cable booth AC oh man each is also helped me with my hindi who's actually the biggest pusher and me starting my own him the YouTube channel but anyway coming to the topic I'm gonna talk about how I met him so back when I think we ourselves at about 100,000 subs maybe a little less than that I was going to be giving a big kind of public speech at some event I'm Manish was mentoring the teabag and he was working


was mentoring the teabag and he was working as a consultant there yeah III used to take care of the social media part of it so one of my core inputs were always to meet speakers and you know advise them PJ bully a qgis marketable a you will be able to marketable a so that was my role they're busy trying to make the talk as commercial as possible sellable yeah a marketable saleable whatever word you so the process that they do for a speaker and that particular organization is that they take your life and they write it down on the board they ask you detailed questions about their life they ask you key but one mikake attack and this one is not your stocks yeah yeah so basically it sounds little superficial that they might be making you write a whole life but when you actually put on that position where your whole life is in front of you written down on the board it's a little creepy and little emotional yeah it is and through the process like you know I think 10


and through the process like you know I think 10 people asking you all these questions what are you thinking at this point why did this lead you to that very intense situation for the person in question which was me at that point I was very emotional I was like whoa you know that's how much I've struggled to even get to like hundred thousand subscribers yeah because you know I think once you're on that journey of hustle once you're growing your YouTube channel you're constantly thinking oh the next video the next step you want to take in business the next thing you want to do in life and you don't have time to think of oh yeah I struggled there oh that's right it but when you see in front of you're like oh damn now I'll give a toast to you if we do the same exercise with you now you will actually do it with a lot of ease without getting all those anxiousness and all because you come or as a person here now and you were not you were


a person here now and you were not you were very unstable there you were younger by age also 2-3 years back you three years back and on top of that you know the kind of habits you had that time know that so that brought a lot of unstability in you 100% and that that is the that is the biggest problem of the youth of our country today and irrespective of where they are Bombay Pune or Nashik or Delhi or or or the smallest ever village that you can think of or go ah go ah yeah I mean I have I know Yogi's in Goa too so you know no but I'm getting so but yeah you're right bro in terms of this is again a lot of stuff I'm gonna reveal in this podcast is the fullest I'm talking about this on the YouTube channel and I'm gonna be honest because there's nothing to hide from you guys too much meat in my life firstly I think there was non resin like form use of the


think there was non resin like form use of the day I should get up and I should put chicken in like my sandwich eat it then for lunch I would have like a chicken breast then for at the four o'clock mean ice to make poha and put shredded chicken inside then have eggs before going to the gym then probably at night either have fish or lot of red meat you know there was just and this was the case for maybe I think someone 2012 tells it to 2017 okay five years of my life every single day I've done that and other stuff and other stuff a lot weekends every single weekend they had to be at least one or sometimes two days of like hardcore drinking binge drinking on weekends because I just felt a UT was such an intense phase of life and I'd come out of engineering college where drinking culture was such a big thing I was drinking a lot I've spoken about my alcoholism problem also on the channel and wait for it of course


also on the channel and wait for it of course like the rest of India I used to you know consume marijuana also I had gone into this habit of actually making cannabutter which is that you take ghee and you take a little bit of these recipes to the people but yeah I'm basically used to consume edible cannabis I'm very against smoking but in terms of eating I would like basically how people consume bong you know it's kind of a version of that you heat um what about cannabis with your button you make an about you put it on bread and toast and eat it stuff done I've done like that okay but now in my life there's literally no intoxicant because the biggest intoxication has been introduced in my life by you which is the process of spirituality we'll get to that later as well now what this these intoxicants do in the short term is that they'll give you that escapism they'll give you that party but in the long term they make you extremely unstable


in the long term they make you extremely unstable yeah so you might even be able to work well you might even be creative yeah hell you might even be more creative when you're little high on me okay but when you're not high when you're sober and then you're gone yeah your whole stability is just using that there is no life and you know you have no motivation exactly I'll touch on the mean meat part first that you know it's okay to eat meat I mean see I'm not against do people who eat meat you know it's their choice but I'm just going to put the fact out and this is not my theory you can google it it's there and it's that's how it very simple it's a common sense as we said common sense is very very you know uncommon so think of this which all animal in animal kingdom all the animals that they eat meat and all the animals that they eat grass now and also think the way we are evolved like humans how they were from you


are evolved like humans how they were from you know when you take science you you say that you are monkeys and then you became chimpanzee in Apes and whatever and then you became human no homo sapiens today before Homo sapiens there are four and five more categories of humans which are extinct now so if you see their physiological development biological development it was completely different and changed time to time right why do we have molars and teeth which can grind food why do we have a tongue that we have in a structure okay look at the gut system our gut system is around I think nine or fourteen meter in between nine and fourteen meters long same for the cows or other how he was animal at the same time if you compare the tiger tiger and all the meat-eating carnivores animal they have a short gut system the teats are just the canines and you know at most incisors because they eat by pairing and we eat by chewing right so that


pairing and we eat by chewing right so that gives a fact the whole digestive process the acids that we have in our stomach and all we are not now evolved and not designed to consume meat physiologically biologically so we are actually not doing good to our body and to the environment to the environment I mean now I'm sure people must have read about what's happened in Amazon and a lot of scientists have come up and said that too much of meat consumption is led to what has happened directly indirectly the butterfly effect climate change meat is directly responsible I mean there are a lot of theories you can read and people who used to be made consumer scientists from the West it's a fashion in India right you rushed what people in West say in fact Arnold Schwarzenegger LeBron James people like that are actually leaving meat yeah leaving meat without Kohli Virat Kohli for that matter he used to be huge on like chicken and all and you know


be huge on like chicken and all and you know we're at Cooley now how he's become his I think he's become vegan also yeah so he's also left dairy products and all so yeah and and at the same time he understand he is one of the fittest athlete in the world right he's at the peak of his career he's scoring so many runs and yeah business-wise also he's doing good yeah I mean apart from cricket he has a lot of business he's a very entrepreneurial guy he's got much cooler in the hula hammer and as the role that he's been given captain he's come out of matured guy like no one no one can talk anything ill about without culture taming is why because he's brought that calmness he's very loyal to his exercises what he eats reading whatever he reads he teaches himself a lot he meditates and all also I've got to know and I'm sure he must be doing yoga and all those things and he's read the


yoga and all those things and he's read the same book that we all read autobiography of yogi you keep mentioning that you know that book brought a lot of impact in my life that's the whole reason I suggested that yeah you come to the booklet yeah cool so I mean see and this is what happened so again I'm I want to tell it to everyone it's your choice but if you love the earth understand there is no other planet like Earth is it's nowhere else is green right no no other planet has 21% of oxygen that you we are all surviving on today if you care for it if you want your kids or your generation to have a good place I think you should consider at least lowering down reducing and slowly if you can leave it is great so if not it's your choice again it's a very personal call coming from a mediator I've eaten meat all my life you see the thing is you kind of get addicted to the taste of it and you


get addicted to the taste of it and you can't imagine life without it because chicken biryani mutton garadi cover smells a particular way and makes your mouth water sausages smell a particular way and they make my mouth water so it's very difficult to just tell someone to leave me that voice has to come from inside if you feel that your system is now rejected that's when you do and I will explain to you all how I left it all so it's not like money told me once key leave me in and I left it you should tell me but as we like okay but maybe after you know this chicken very Ani yeah I think of leaving yeah okay so again leaving meat is very personal leaving alcohol and weed that's a whole other conversation yeah and that's the other thing I wanted to talk to you about dude what does alcohol and V do to your to the system of a young person in the long term a lot of people are using it as an escapism especially


of people are using it as an escapism especially in corporate culture corporate culture so even there's a lot of smoking cigarettes okay but generally there's a lot of binge drinking and pot smoking amongst the youth so why are you turning to pot smoking and drinking so much why did I drink and eat so much pot I am sorry to be a little harsher but I clearly want to blame the Western world hear about it you know all that things that you listen and you read that Oh bully ababa Sankar Bhuvana used to smoke up and out all mm-hmm it was never like that you know he didn't need all these things and also you see sad who's and all you know people say now when you go to Rishikesh are you going to Banaras when you go to come mirror you see Naga hours and all day smoking up and all you talk to them and all only those smoked up who have not got to that level to help them to get to that


to that level to help them to get to that level but once they get to the level they leave it how does it help you get to that so the whole point is it makes you like out of your mind it just helps you focus in one direction but see understand is a very dangerous thing to have because they the Yogi's they leave it but the youth they don't end up leaving they make this their life and they justify yeah and I I have come across a couple of videos on on beer biceps channel or on Vida Labbadia channel when you spoken very clearly about it see let's talk science what does alcohol or what does weed or whatever name you have for that it does is it is just chemical it enters your body and it stimulates some other chemical to make something else and again if you do go deep down you will spoke about oxygen in you know we'll talk about serotonin and you know all those things so what he does and all so kirti kirti what


he does and all so kirti kirti what happens is with time it becomes one of the component of your chemical system of body and when you don't get that that's the time you feel very lethargic you feel angry and all because your blood demands it your your system demands it that's what is called addiction right so that is what alcohol and we does it it actually makes you a slave off of the component of the chemicals that go into your body Noren wherein you don't need it our body is capable enough to manufacture those good home feel-good hormones automatically and there are yogic processes for it there are spiritual processes for it and it is not rocket science it is very simple but it needs practice yeah this is also perfect example of them kind of meandering you gave me anywhere I think I should turn to that for my party because I was working so hard and me of my selves I think back then it was literally just Rajas mirage and myself


it was literally just Rajas mirage and myself and we were really giving it a 5,000% yeah so at night after my work was done I always wanted to chill a little bit yeah without realizing that wait I can give my fifty thousand percent if I choose not to chill in the long what do you call it hot box that hahaha no no I I didn't I didn't smoke up but like my friends used to smoke a nice to eat more like of that cannabutter or whatever yeah anyway nice to even actually eat it and kind of try writing Bo Bice's scripts for the same reason that it helps you think in one but but now go to those scripts and compare those scripts with the script that you right now yeah you'll get you Anthea exactly yeah everything's become much more intense much better now and with a vision yeah 100% with not that shortcuts yeah that shortcut girl oh yeah girl over also there's like close to 35 people working at like monk and Raymond Bo


35 people working at like monk and Raymond Bo Bice's and the associated businesses family is grown yeah so so everything positive is happened 100% and I just feel too much pressure now to even consider the possibility of being stoned or being drunk it's like dude if I'm drunk I showed my brain won't work fast I mean I mean see there are enough example in the in in front of us who've been slave of this nationally internationally and amazingly talented people going losing the lives I mean I read the other day about Barry Spock what is his name where is that tennis player Boris Becker Boris back home I read in a very East tennis player was bankrupt because he had drinking habits alcohol and then you know multiple wives and all those things whatever Maradona I read about Maradona oh my god I mean such a legendary player there too many examples in Bollywood you know people and amazing artists losing their life for this small pretty things yeah it's very sad okay


for this small pretty things yeah it's very sad okay but let's come back to a story so dude what was your first impression when when I did my whole story and I was like and I was smiling a Sarah TKR I have a first-world problem you struggle with high school I used to okay I used to sleep in a very comfortable bed with AC on and I was Restless I said okay cool there are people sleeping under the flyover under the flyover as well right yeah so I mean it's okay everyone struggle is struggle we should never under a good yeah why don't you tell the story of you try to find out Who am I and what is so now coming to the context of my life at that point I'd gone already into spirituality like I was very intrigued by the concept of meditation had read the scientific aspects of it we learned Reiki yeah and I didn't enroll for a Reiki course I've spoken about this on the podcast earlier also it was one of the


the podcast earlier also it was one of the greatest experiences of my life going for that particular Reiki cool and ice to keep recommending Reiki to everyone because it really helped me and healed me that goes so do throughout an exercise of me writing stuff on the wall about myself you at a noir wing like on the side like you were you were saying some aggressive stuff yeah I think to shake me up yeah so I read it as earlier why you so angry in like okay I didn't tell you that yeah yeah but I was like this guy is one angry guy well it is the most negative guy in the room yeah I don't exactly or something like that so I felt like you were a real negative angry guy and when everyone left the know I was like hey man who did this to you yeah I wasn't that and I told you money I've gone for this incredible thing called Reiki yeah and and you should go for it I should start Mara Dean


you should go for it I should start Mara Dean yeah and you just looked at me and I know right yeah and you're like okay cool cool cool so you give me that vibe and I think in the next half an hour you told me about a family's history of how deep you all are into spirituality how much meditation you've done how many careers you've done and for those of you who know anything about meditation money is like very very evolved for those of you don't know anything about spirituality of meditation he's playing like semi-professional football if like you know professional football is like sub guru or like say yeah well I don't I don't endorse the comparison here because as I said initially as well you know an ant might be more spiritual than what I am and actually they are right so so anyone who can bring themselves into some focus or spiritual so we all have to practice but but what were coming back to that story so bro what was like your whole opinion on that


so bro what was like your whole opinion on that situation that had happened see I'm a person who does not form any opinion like it is against the rules of spirituality or spiritual people don't do it then you cannot call yourself so why were you Tana borrowing me so much I was not an amaru Inge I was just saying things which were true and I seem like the onimaru into you because you actually took it on your ego yeah yeah who da Kubolor I mean you can't Amira bottom mm-hmm that's that's exactly yeah and then you try to kind of come across Lakes come on George character we care here right and there is where I you failed your test and you know later and then after that everything is about what do you say history or whatever yeah so basically what I was doing in that room was I was trying to entry here to tell you bro chill all these exercises happening for your good only you because you're too frustrated key music cube which


you because you're too frustrated key music cube which ray image a gallbladder give RM q ji mu J why are they going into my family like why are why do they want to know about my mom why do they want to know about my dog like all that questions so so as I said they were just trying to get all this information from inside you to form something which which is completely okay because you are not that person you don't like that and it's completely fine so what I was doing in the whole process was just to telling you to come yeah it's okay I also remember at that point if you had just launched monk entertainment and yes oh my pitch to that team was let me do a talk on how to create a business from scratch because that's what I did successfully done one B of I said and I was very shy was successfully doing on Hmong containment at that point also and the team like bluntly rejected they were like no why should we get a young kid to give