which is made in konkan which is put it in explosions to create explosives that all that plus um you know some so many other things mainly spices you have to send it to other countries so this trade was entirely driven by the Portuguese and to an extent siddhi so what Portuguese did that if you want to run a merchant ship you have to take from passport from us and they for that cartridge it is called that passport was called as catridge so to pay for that cartridge was huge amount of money half the money will go into that catchers paying to the Portuguese and why cater is paying that we will protect you and they were handing love with the siddhis siddhis were pirates they will attack the ships the Portuguese will protect and then you have to pay huge amount of money what country are the siddis from they were from the abyssinians one of the eastern African countries okay are they collectively called to these like I'm assuming they're from siddhi


to these like I'm assuming they're from siddhi is a title actually like sir okay in there there's this thing up how we say then how we like that it's the title so they were called siddhis and they were all high-end you know they they were all powerful uh Warlords abyssinians no so they were Sergey so so that drama went on the siddhis were attacked the shape and Portuguese will protect it and then you have to pay a lot of money to the Portuguese so what Shiver I thought why can't I have my own Merchant Navy why can't my people have do this legitimate business but to do this legitimate business I will need a small warships also to protect the merchant ships so that was the idea of his Navy it's not not to fight major battles so to acquire certain business which was happening in his own country and give give it back to his people so he can collect taxes on it and improve his because economy is everything if you want


improve his because economy is everything if you want to even dream of a swaraj economy is the basic um you know we have had some legendary Indian Navy veterans on the show and this is what they basically explained about modern day navies as well that there aren't really sea battles in the modern day but navies are used to protect Merchant vessels yeah that's the main purpose of Navy all over the world now I got to know that at age 29 because I run a podcast for a living my question is how did shivrai know it at possibly around the same age uh same it was he having his own version of podcasts was there a version of advisors equal to MC square but there's got to be some input of data I have no input of data from where because nobody ever thought about this before him you know okay even I I I mean I would like to realistically if we go if we take a time machine and go back to that age I'm sure there were Travelers and


to that age I'm sure there were Travelers and learned people who would just drop these knowledge bombs in King's courts and maybe he picked up information they went to all the sultanates also no maybe the scientists were too arrogant to listen he just kept his ears open and kept accumulating knowledge actually he he you know other like there was another difference between aurangzeb and shivray that aurangzeb never trusted his ministers hmm but shivray trusted his ministers again this is you know after getting to learn these aspects of shivray one thing I've understood is there's a lot of business mentality here he's a businessman of course he's first a business yes because because how his first businessman I will tell you the story of salt there is a place near Goa where salt pants are very extremely good quality salt they produced okay that some terrain was later on taken by shivray and he started his own salt making but though that salt used to enter from Portuguese territory to the swaraj territory as well


territory to the swaraj territory as well as Adil Shahi and they used to sell that very expensive that salt was extremely expensive so the poor people could not even dream of buying that salt and these Portuguese became that money was just coming slave trade horse trade or not hostage spice trade they were becoming rich so what did shivray do as a businessman he sealed all the borders and put heavy duty tax on Portuguese salt pay us tax and enter new payers tax and he started manufacturing his whole salt in the Region's territories he acquired around that area he started making his own salt and selling it cheap now what you call it business mind or what you call it yeah it's called Game Theory you know like you basically make the same product price at much lesser to cut out your button and put heavy duty tax so this is this aspect is taught in two MBA students you know we should also get back to the story I think people uh were left at that part of


I think people uh were left at that part of afzal Khan and then we digressed and went into philosophy and theories and business which is great I love it but the audience wants the linear story of what happened you know I think you you left off uh at the afzal Khan part and you said that the adilshai uh regime collapsed so what they did the first time in life after Abdul Khan and his army was demolished first time in life Shiva shivrai and his Sena his army went to Y masakad remaining part of the afzal Khan's Army and they went and they invaded Adil Shahi and they took over panala Fort so first and many other forts around that Vishal Gad panala which belonged to adilshai so first time ever in history a native person you know the son of son of the soil took over adilshai territory territory so effectively how much territory did he have in Maharashtra effectively not much he had Puna


in Maharashtra effectively not much he had Puna Thousand Villages around it few of the Forts and value of jowli and some parts of of coke and the rest of Maharashtra was with no that was a like for example vidarba and that said Aurangabad and that was with the Mughal from Nasi converts that was with the Mughal and this side um Eastern side Eastern Maharashtra was with the adilshai okay what happened next now what happened so when this shivray uh when he took over Adil Shahi forts the news reached Aaron zip and he was very upset so you know there are two things aurangzeb was very clear he believed in Islam Islam means the the kingdom of Islam I am not talking about Muslims anything okay it is his way of thinking I have nothing to say and the belief in that Islam is the remaining territory which is not under a Muslim King is known as h a r b hat that means it's a that's not the territory it's


means it's a that's not the territory it's a Battleground any territory which is not under Islamic King is a Battleground then when he saw his you know he wanted the entire India as the Islam full territory there is should not be that no non-deliver should Rule and shivaji was coming up so this hit him very hard I wouldn't say and then his people his previous people who were subedars of Deccan couldn't do much I told you know one of the subedars went with 400 women and hid they couldn't stand this maratha onslaught so he sent the first person he sent was the Khan was his own mama is this where the mughals mughals uh enter the story yes okay hold on uh and apparently the adilsha Empire is still there is there Adil shahid's Empire is still there and they are like not very strong now abzal Khan's death caught the attention of entire India including the British how did words spread back then by correspondence okay correspondence and


spread back then by correspondence okay correspondence and then there are British correspondence in that that they are also shocked how Abdul Khan died because everybody was sure of British the British the British were there British correspond there is a book on British correspondence 200 pages okay and they were they started a trade in India by this point they were very apolitical you see very apolitical we are not in politics we are not here to play politics so that was a lie we are not here to play politics well uh political British yeah Indian history again uh you know give a tough competition to Game of Thrones that's all of course actually I on my uh this thing Amazon or it is Goodreads somebody has said reading Frontiers was like Game of Thrones watching yeah just listening to these two episodes is uh has been a Game of Thrones experience ma'am thank you for two fantastic episodes but ass is even better history than Game of Thrones because that is fiction and you know it's also hard it's


is fiction and you know it's also hard it's it's more emotional more violent yeah it's our history yours and mine and if you actually look at the three lakh ears of the human story 500 years is not that long ago no no no uh it these things just happened in the human story yes so Game of Thrones is real that's all I'll say yes but this is the point where we move into part three ma'am thank you for two fantastic episodes thank you third one's gonna be the Epic finale of this story okay Trilogy I'd love to know what you guys are thinking about this Trilogy at this point tell us in the comments below happy to cover more Mega stories like this from India's recent past point me to a story point me to a person but first I'll point you to episode number three the last two episodes were much more detailed quite long quite inspirational sometimes a little scary the third one is going to be extremely Pacey because the story after this point is so


Pacey because the story after this point is so incredibly detailed so layered that we can't cover it in just one episode it's an epic episode but it's going to just give you an overview of the final aspect of this story if you enjoyed this episode make sure you share it with your friends and if you enjoy the podcast make sure you follow us on Spotify every episodes available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world will be back for part three very very soon see you guys [Music] thank you


I'd started martial arts before the Bruce Lee era came in I told you mostly came in in around 77 I think and oh my God at that time we were like Heroes you know we knew some martial arts he was a genius he was a genius his philosophy his fighting style if there is the last word in self-defense it is Bruce Lee but it was so heartbreaking not to go to that Olympics later on to see that your name is in the Olympic draw so just a while ago I came to know that I'm a double Olympian um if you Google my name I've gone to two Olympics 88 and 92 but 88 I was sitting at home and watching the bloody opening ceremony with tears in my eyes and then subsequently I made Rajiv Gandhi at uh the Parsi dharamshala opening he says how was the experience I said no I didn't go that's it episode number 250 is an emotional episode for me lately we've been doing a lot of subject matter based


we've been doing a lot of subject matter based podcasts on the runway show not done one of those open heartfelt episodes in a while today's guest is my first Guru in life he's my Sensei he's my Judo coach he's been a father figure to me he's been the first Mentor I've ever had since the age of 10 since the age that I began practicing and Diving deeper into the world of Judo and martial arts kawas bellemoria so is an Arjuna awardee he's a former Olympian he's represented India in sumo wrestling as well he's lived in Japan honing his martial arts skills learning the philosophies related to martial arts and bringing it back to India I'm going to say something about myself in this introduction which is that it's been a difficult seven year Journey that's the truth about content creation and business it becomes even more difficult when you try combining both and growing your career along with growing lots of other people's careers with you


with growing lots of other people's careers with you it's been challenging and at every moment that I felt a sense of challenge I've gone back to the 10 year old version of myself trying to imbibe the martial arts mentalities from this human being very special episode for me there's a part of me that is not bothered about how this one performs because I had to do this this one was in my heart you'll feel it if you listen to this entire episode on TRS for more episodes like this make sure you follow us on Spotify the Spotify Spotify exclusive which means that every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world before I let you slip into this one deep thank you from my heart for taking us to 250 English episodes there's about 120 or 130 Hindi episodes that we've released as well I don't keep a track of the numbers unless it's a milestone episode like this one 250 had to be with kawaso this is my Sensai


to be with kawaso this is my Sensai presented for you and I hope that you're able to gain some of those fighter mentality some of those martial arts mentalities that he transferred to my mind and heart between the ages of 10 and 16. lots of love to you sir and lots of love to the audience enjoy the episode [Music] thank you episode number 250 absolute dream episode I remember episode 50 was with my mother and after that episode was received well I really thought of who I wanted to bring on and they honest through this before I would bring on my own dad I would bring on my own Sensai and Sensei uh for those people don't understand the word is basically your Martial Arts coach martial arts is never just about the moves the physical tactics it's so much about the mind it's so much about spiritual growth in so many ways this is my first Mentor in life like right when you turn 10 when you're a preteen you need mentorship according to me and I


preteen you need mentorship according to me and I needed it for so many reasons and Arjuna awardi and my first Mentor in life I feel so much of everything has happened in my life has happened because you taught me the right lessons when I was 10 years old 11 years old 15 years old so firstly thank you sir thank you thank you for that Runway really you've been a model student let me tell everybody I mean ranveer you've been a model student you uh worked hard that was number one winning losing so many medals at them SSA was not what was important you just trained to the best of your ability every time you were on that Judo mat and that made you special yeah yeah um I have so much to tell you there's things I'm gonna tell you on this podcast that I've not told my own parents that I've wanted to tell you for a very long time uh but you know over the course of your career my career is creative in nature so in


your career my career is creative in nature so in a creative career you do so much self-exploration that you get to know aspects of yourself so as I've inched towards age 30 uh I've realized so much about you and the impact that you specifically had on my life I went for one of these self-exploration forums and uh they asked me to name the three most amount gurus I had in my life the first one I could name very easily which was you thank you so much yeah I couldn't think of really two others to kind of fill those spots but you were there so uh I mean how many students have you even trained now in like martial arts sir because you've had an impact on so many people I'll tell you I started teaching in January 1986 I founded my own club the upon Judo Academy and uh I returned from Japan in nineteen eighty-five after six months I planned a three-month stay at the end of the second month I broke my fifth meta tassel


the second month I broke my fifth meta tassel that is the little bone you know now imagine I had a Visa for three months and I had enough money for three months in Tokyo but how could I have come back broken and injured no way because I had always imagined that when I come back from there I should be better than the best and better than what I ever was and that was not the condition I wanted to come back so what did I do you won't believe it uh I had no money to go to a hospital and one of the coaches there they all the old coaches you know coaches in Japan all new bone setting and first aid so he told me your bone has not really shifted out of place there is a definite break because he could feel it and feel it in the sense the pain I was going through and the immediate swelling so he said it's the fifth meta tassel and he said I'll just do a tight stick wrap grip stick stick crape on


a tight stick wrap grip stick stick crape on and it should heal uh within three three weeks I said great he did it after the next day after the next day I went hobbling for at least a kilometer and a half to a place where wholesale Sporting Goods are sold it's called okachimachi or whatever in Tokyo and there under the train railway tracks I find this size 17. basketball shoes my sizes 15 us so I find size 17. for those people who can't tell so it's like about six five how tall are you six five six four and a half and shrinking now I called my friend and I said you know you had a job in mind for me he said yeah anytime go and serve at the restaurant second day after my broken foot I was at this restaurant the Maharaja in Tokyo it still exists in Ginza I didn't know what I was getting into so I was called at eight o'clock I hobbled there I didn't tell anyone my photo was broken they said your


tell anyone my photo was broken they said your job is first thing clean the tables lay the tables uh clean the brass and the glass with newspaper and spray after that go up where the Maharaja outfit and the turban specially go go outside and give the discount coupons for lunch and then wait for lunch to start and then only two things clear the tables three things clear the table lay the tables serve water it was so hard I mean under normal circumstances being National Champion I would have found it hard because all the tables are low in Japan so I had to bend so much more I was hobbling round and round that restaurant and uh I don't know how the five days that week got over I just don't know how it got over but the good thing is I got free breakfast free lunch they even offered that you come and have dinner free but I was in too much pain to walk back at night so I had the free lunch the free dinner and I got a salary


lunch the free dinner and I got a salary of 90 rupees or whatever the equivalent was per hour and that made me so strong because I got super breakfast there were tandoors like this you know where authentic Tandoori was made and it was heaven after that because Japan is so expensive that I was always running short of food and my foot broke because um maybe not enough nutrition but after the that there was no looking back I continued working I extended my Visa for another three months and I was getting money and uh I was training early in the morning before going to the restaurant finishing my restaurant sleeping for an hour after my training and then training for four hours in the evening and it was so good I came back from there and I didn't lose the national championship for the next uh nine years wow so how you know you have to give something to get something yeah you've been a national champion for the longest time I remember these stories even in schools uh what does it take to


stories even in schools uh what does it take to actually become a national champion of a sport I'll tell you that something in the Mahabharat or something said just do things without expecting anything um you know what I mean yeah just strive and if you strive sensibly and hard both yeah things will happen and I guess they happened everything happens sometimes my nature is not so pushy I don't push for things maybe that's a drawback which I have but uh everything comes a little late though so I've won my so many national titles I wanna Commonwealth silver I wanna know Asian bronze I went to the Olympics and yet the uh Arjuna award came only in 1994. up till the age of 10 and not even really played any sport I was still finding my Sport and I wasn't really good at football or Cricket or anything and my parents told me you wait till you turned and then we'll put you in martial arts because even when I was a kid I was drawn


because even when I was a kid I was drawn towards martial arts I didn't know I watched a lot of Bruce Lee films all that and I knew that I had to be there so um fifth grade when I joined school it's actually when school started in 2003. I saw this six foot five man walking around looking super athletic I was like who's that and I was naturally like drawn to you then I found out that you're the Judo coach and two of my wishes kind of met so I decided okay I'm gonna take Judo classes in school I'm like right for the first time you taught that hip throw oh Goshi uh I remember you there was like eight other students with me and you said Okay who wants to uh be thrown you through your Deputy at that time I think it wasn't question for someone else you threw your Deputy that time and there was this loud sound everyone got scared but I really wanted to be thrown oh my God I I put up my


be thrown oh my God I I put up my arm and I said okay so just throw me and you you like did a judo take down on me like the most basic Judo takedown and I just fell in love I wanted to like Master the sport after that uh I thought it was just about technique and moves and strength and there was so much more I asked my mum that you know in her eyes what was the turning point in my life and even She takes her name she says Judo when you began you know things started coming together now apparently this is something I've never told you before around the same time I started having very intense family problems at home like a lot of things were happening and I did I was too I wasn't mature enough to understand what was happening at home so there was a lot of aggression building up inside me if I didn't have Judo as an outlet I don't know what would have happened to my mind um so it saved


have happened to my mind um so it saved me it protected me in like so many ways which I've understood as a man in his late 20s which is why I've kind of wanted to go back to it as well but my question to you is as a Sensei are you conscious of this non-physical aspect of martial arts like how it's changing kids let's talk about self-esteem I am pretty sure that when one starts mastering the basic throw or technique something he's adding more than just the throw he's getting stronger he starts looking better his or her self-image improves and therefore slowly it translates to his self-esteem unfortunately ranveer parents today come and tell me my child has been doing Judo for the past three to six months as a core activity and my child hasn't won a single medal what will happen to his or her self-esteem in the first place why should that child be having an esteem in Judo I mean I mean why don't you just learn it for the sake of learning


you just learn it for the sake of learning it what makes you feel that you deserve a medal as I told you you told me what why did I do Judo I just did it I don't know why my self-esteem was improving and my mom was paying the fees and Dad and we were three brothers we ate a lot in the house and money was hard okay let me tell you mom was giving tuitions and even 30 rupees a month was hard and the most important my self-esteem was getting stronger and I was developing I was losing I told you it didn't matter it didn't matter I was last in the class in every grading I was not good at memorizing the names of techniques in Japanese could not memorize so well nor was I good at performing the throw I was bulky fat all over the place and it was a disaster okay so why did I continue my self-esteem was improving now what does the parent come and do my child's self-esteem is not


parent come and do my child's self-esteem is not improving who are you to decide that your child's self-esteem is not uh improving but they decide and in the bargain they may pull the child out it doesn't matter when the child will win this particular child could be me the child could start winning after six years after seven years boom one day boom uh do you feel martial arts as a culture like popularity is increasing in the world because of MMA and UFC and things like that absolutely but the times which I saw during the Bruce Lee era you know I had started martial arts before the Bruce Lee era came in I told you mostly came in in around 77 I think and oh my God at that time we were like Heroes you know we knew some martial arts and when Bruce Lee did a shoulder throw in any of his movies or we celebrated it and yeah yeah truly he was a genius he was a genius his philosophy his fighting style and yeah if there


his philosophy his fighting style and yeah if there is the last word in self-defense it is Bruce Lee and his art of Jeet kundo the art of intercepting the fist can you can you explain the philosophy of it other martial arts compartmentalized fighting in the sense you blocked a new punched right or you blocked and you punched right or you blocked and you punched or you buried and you punched and you parried and you punched Bruce Lee blocked and attacked with the same hand and if he attacked it always meant business right if there was a serious someone with you with a knife it was nothing but gouging the eyes straight no no no nonsense about it or breaking the knee or kicking the groin yeah there was then no hanky-panky that will punch you here and we'll crank no it was very practical and straight on so a block and attack would be the same your left hand would be for the opponents right very compartmentalized in that my right hand would


right very compartmentalized in that my right hand would be and my legs would block his kicks whatever kicks he gave I would block with my leg genius absolutely phenomenal other martial arts would say kick with the back foot Bruce Lee will say just break the knee or just break the groin you don't need much power you know otherwise when you kick from the back foot honestly you're telegraphing hello I'm coming and it's not going to work on the street right yeah so he is phenomenal you don't need so much power to break someone's nose um yeah six inches is enough for me just six inches boom and that's enough it'll smash the nose so what's this Blackberry Journey like like from the moment you get it and Beyond getting your first black belt when you go up the first day and second and third done what's that Journey like so it depends on the different martial arts right in Judo you are a fighting black belt till you are the fourth down in Japan


belt till you are the fourth down in Japan that means I am perhaps the only perhaps the only fighting third done from India right I have won the red and white tournament to get my belt okay I won the tournament I demonstrated my Kata in Japan and I got my third done from kodokan many people have got the third done from kodokan in India perhaps even more but I know that they have not fought and won all their points in the shiai I know that in the kohakushi red and white chair I was fortunate that I had the time to spend there I made the time I begged and borrowed for funds for sponsors I begged there are some people who would tell you yes they would sponsor you completely and the next day not take your call there were some people who insulted you and put you down but the next day they gave you the money and there were some people who said it fits into my Constitution in my trust Constitution here's your check right so


in my trust Constitution here's your check right so that itself was a big learning that everything you see and everything you hear may not come true the very next day the person was promised you the full sponsorship may not pick up your phone so 3000 rupees 2000 SLK I went to Japan anyway so every then the second time I went I was an employee of Tata steel and that made it relatively easier but look at the irony we've all have to take only 500 only 500 when you left the country now where will 500 take me in Japan it would not even have taken me half a month right so to go in 1989 to Japan and to meet VP Singh and thanks to one Mr dosu Gandhi I met Mr VP Singh and on the way to the airport he sanctioned whatever I needed for the trip two thousand dollars out so it was a struggle the most the Journey of the black belt time today kids in school are getting the black belt okay so many children of our school


the black belt okay so many children of our school have got the black belt and they deserve it I got my black belt after becoming National Champion so I started Judo in as I said 70 1972 73 and I got my black belt in 84. they presented it to me because I became open weight champion of India yeah so the journey is hard second and third done hard because I got it from Tokyo I used to go win four fights in a row on Monday then the next week another two what whatever points like what are the examinations you have to every week there is a Shiite or contest you have to win your points in that chair and if you win you stay so I won one three one one one four okay I've qualified then I have to wait out the time period and give my Kata the form okay second that then same thing for third done yeah uh what I also find cool is that you've done Zuma wrestling like I wanna know why and did you did you actually


I wanna know why and did you did you actually have to like bulk up that was hilarious and honestly those were fun times in 1995 I have a fifth place in the world championship not because maybe I was a great Sumo fighter but uh maybe others were not so good in other countries and uh yeah honestly we were sailing in the same boat because Sumo became an amateur Sport and I was the early worm so the secretary of the all Japan Sumo Federation caught me after the straight from there I went into the Sumo doyo you can Google it the nichidai Sumo Club one of the most popular Sumo clubs one station outside sinjoku outside sinjuku I think nakano is the name of the station just out of Tokyo beautiful dohyo beautiful training center and I lived there for one month or two months initially for training oh my God oh my God I mean so explain it to the listeners so chunko is a dish where you know there's a broth the pot is boiling and


know there's a broth the pot is boiling and we start training at three o'clock and the pot starts boiling and the rice starts cooking and in the broth you put all sorts of one day you would have all the meats in the world whatever meat you want your Chuck in one day it would be all fish you know and that would be alcohol beer beer beer beer really predominantly in the charcoal yeah it would cook and sometimes wine and and then every fried food possible from chicken to uh pork you know tender pork cuts I have never eaten such good quality and quantity food anyway in Judo it was always next to starvation and over here it was Heaven they would say everything was on the house I would be a guest running for six years seven years they flew me what seven from 1990 to 2002. they flew me to Tokyo and back I was like I was like Bruce Lee going to Hans Island to fight it was amazing amazing but a journey do they actually


was amazing amazing but a journey do they actually try to fatten you up because it's an advantage and so they do there is a weight category under 115 kilos so I chose that okay because it would have been very hard to get back okay and other guys like as tall as you yeah I've played 300 kilos and brought the boy down to India also really yeah yeah you've played someone who's 300 kilos Emmanuel yabro the heaviest athlete in the world what was it like facing him I mean he just did and I went back and back and back and back and back yeah Emmanuel was a great guy he was once the world champion in amateur Sumo open weight beating the Japanese and the uh and the Mongols so the only people I've lost to in sumo yeah actually three countries I lost my world championship third place to a Frenchman I lost once to a Mongolian and I lost to a Japanese the other two times for my gold medal what's it like entering a


for my gold medal what's it like entering a ring with a 300 kilo person but mentally no no no no I'll tell you what I enjoyed Sumo there was no stress I enjoyed it what are the rules there's a ring and you're supposed to push the other guy out of the ring yeah either you push him or make any other part of his body touch the touch the ground before you fall okay so twice for my silver medal in the Asian championships I used to lift my opponent on one side right with the belt with his and then I would bring him on his toes and then switch so after bringing mirror he's trying to get his weight back there and then I would switch both the times I fell but his hand his right hand would touch before I fell so strangely in both the cases in the final for my for my pool final to go into the final in both the cases the center referee chimpan gave the decision against me but he was overruled by the five


against me but he was overruled by the five judges sitting around and both the times I reached the final like that once I beat Kazakhstan and once I beat someone else yeah so Sumo was amazing it was a dream I I I I can't believe that I've gone through these things in life today when I look back I've fought in the um ultimate place for Sumo fighters in the heart of Tokyo does it take a toll on your body like training fossil honestly uh you know if I never got an injury through Sumo okay and I've fallen off the doyo with a hundred and uh 15 kilo Japanese on me and from this height on Clay but strangely nothing happens maybe it's that salt we throw before we fight that's to drive away the evil spirits wow uh do you do you remember me as a student obviously but what do you remember diligent absolutely disciplined never missed a session hard work cool as a cucumber before the fights and mostly coming out


a cucumber before the fights and mostly coming out Victorious how many how many medals did you win in the mssa Mumbai School sports Association from eighth standard onwards everything so three years back to back uh goals and I think I'm one of you dsos also here and there that's really awesome you know it's not easy mssa has so many competitors yeah it it it was a very important character building phase in my teenage for sure but I remember this one uh tournament that I spoken about on the show in sixth grade where out of four guys I finished fourth and it was my first competitive tournament and uh you didn't you didn't really reprimand me or anything you said okay it's fine we'll we'll pick up and we'll go from you so I sat in my car I went home with my mom and I was like crying because I didn't like losing especially after that level of dedication that put in from fifth grade and all of sixth grade and even she told me that no you're probably


and even she told me that no you're probably not just not one because you've not put in because somewhere it comes to that rule of number of hours but sensible hours yeah that's true for sport right like the more you train the more the nervous system gets worked absolutely and even when I'm sitting and I'm focusing on my favorite technique like I explained to you that technique which I did believe you me all the muscles are working when I'm doing the technique that or even my legs are working but not enough to generate movement but mentally everything is working yeah yeah it's just amazing so that visualization the deep breathing the meditation the mental preparation we I didn't know all that man I just fought it's okay the only time I took a sports psychologist help I lost that was the only time I lost in the domination in the Indian Nationals after 10 years in uh Pune I started my career National career where I got strangled on Consciousness in 81 and attended in 94 where


on Consciousness in 81 and attended in 94 where I broke the shoulder so I don't have a front deltoid ah you don't know how hard it is you qualify for an Olympics like in 1988 with the bronze medal I qualified in 86 I qualified for the 88 Olympics and my name and Mr Sandeep biala who was fighting 65 kilos bronze medal winner again our names were sent up to the international Judo Federation and I was going to Mr Rajiv Gandhi's of office the prime minister's office okay every alternate night to tell his PA forget the names now to help me along with the then Sports Minister minister of Youth Affairs or whatever they sent an eighth member relay team and through Sunday Bella and me out they didn't send us to the Olympics later on I came to know that they are the ones who didn't send me and I used to go and appeal to them to send me it's it's weird hmm and I know you go back Google it


hmm and I know you go back Google it the Relay Team India relay team of 2000 and of 1988 and you'll read the Fiasco those girls refused to do a trial in India can you imagine all it went to Seoul at the Olympic stadium and had a trial four days before that's to hold run and obviously they came last in the first eight um our champion athlete no names I'm mentioning was feigning injury and she was injured yeah all of them were injured they came nowhere and at whose cost Mike Austin sandeep's cost I'm clear about that today yeah I'm absolutely clear yeah it was hard not going to the Olympics when you are at your peak man you're at your Peak you believe you can win you believe I believed that other than Japan France Russia Korea I'll beat everyone else I believed when I went in 92 that belief was not when I went in 1992 I went with the thing that I will do my best no you can't go like that


will do my best no you can't go like that you have to go to win hmm right I can't fool myself right it took me how many Nationals to win a gold three Nationals I'm not I I'm not some brilliant guy I'm not a guy who can just Excel from word it takes me time maybe second Olympics I would have been better prepared maybe maybe but it was so heartbreaking not to go to that Olympics and later on to see that your name is in the Olympic draw so just a while ago I came to know that I'm a double Olympian if you Google my name I've gone to two Olympics 88 and 92 but 88 I was sitting at home and watching the bloody opening ceremony with tears in my eyes um and go to home to which press complain to whom my whole career would have been destroyed by them yeah and then subsequently I made Rajiv Gandhi at uh the Parsi dharamshala opening he says how was the experience I


dharamshala opening he says how was the experience I said no I didn't go that's it but I guess that's the nature of sport you know yeah and it teaches you the nature of life as well yeah which is why in this particular episode so I have one last question for my sensor uh at 30 what advice would you give me I'm going to be turning 30 in about seven eight months from now what do you have to say because you've known me since I was a nine year old I'm thinking what I'm going to do at 60. I'm going to be 16 two months anyways uh well when we don't even think about it don't think about it don't think about your age constantly evolve constantly be passionate about something yeah and strive towards that passion everything will take care of itself since I thank you this is a very uh intense episode for me because this is something I visualize for a very long time to be able to create something with you uh I genuinely in my


create something with you uh I genuinely in my life I've only had one Sensai and that's you so it's always gonna stay that way even like you know going forward uh no matter what I do I can't thank you enough for helping like the 10 year old 11 year old 15 year old version of me just through my own Teenage and pretty teen issues uh maybe you didn't know what was happening in my life at that point but as I said before you've had one of the deepest impacts in my whole life I'll tell you another thing around me I don't probe too much if it comes from the other side it's fine otherwise even if I know there is something wrong I will not come and overtly say that you know I will say are you all right or something but if someone is not forthcoming I will not bring it because I'm not a trained psychiatrist or a psychologist to deal with it if someone opens up to me I'll give my two-bit experience you know what I


I'll give my two-bit experience you know what I mean yeah in my eyes you were born to be a Sensei for a lot of young motivated kids and you'll see the fruits of their labor in the next five to ten years that's what I'll say run me believe you me I told you that I've been teaching kids since 91 3 year old kids I've seen how they've grown and I'm blessed to have had such a beautiful life with so many lovely youngsters and you know it keeps me youthful like don't even think I'm 60 or 40 years just life just goes on yeah you know it's these are numbers gotcha mentally I feel whatever thank you once again uh this positive energy is rubbed off once again on me it reminds me why I chose to do Judo as a 10 year old just thank you for everything sir thank means a lot thank you very much for having me that was the episode for today I think by this point you can tell why this was such


by this point you can tell why this was such a special episode for me there was so much I wanted to tell this man when I was growing up but I didn't have the mental capacity to articulate my emotions back then and it was emotions which were pent up since 19 years 19 years of emotion came out in this particular conversation with kawaso there's no amount of thank yous there's no amount of gratitude that I can put at his feet that will actually represent the gratitude that I feel in my heart for Him I couldn't cover all the stories I've been through with this human being but have got some amount of that mentoring that I experienced between 10 and 16 when you're taking martial arts seriously in your life um your relationship with your Sensai is very very special it's full of respect Full Of Love full of that Warrior energy and I hope that you experience some of that Warrior energy in this very special 250th episode of the runway show it had to be with Carver's


the runway show it had to be with Carver's belmoria so so I thank you once again and I thank the audience for taking us to 250 episodes keep following us lots more is coming your way follow us on Spotify as well every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world thank you thank you thank you I'll just end this one with a big bomb of Love enjoy guys [Music]


there are many protocols in the mobile code you cannot show your backside to the emperor you have to do cornishat shivray has not done purnisha to anyone everything works in his head and he walks out it's a crime but he has committed but this is the only interaction between that's all there is to it shivra ever ever ever ever it changed the course of history okay course of history that he did not even think that he is dying so fast how old was he when he died he was 50 when Samba shambu Raja died he was 32 or 33 together how many years 72 60 70 80 80 to 83 years and plus 10 aurangzeb lived up to 1992 I think sometimes the world can work in funny ways welcome to part three of a very special Maharaj Trilogy this one's going to be much faster than the first two parts for two reasons one it's extremely detailed as a story so there's no way we could cover all the details even in a two or three


cover all the details even in a two or three hour long episode that's why we decided to go with a pacio version of the story and the second reason is that because of the amazing response we've had on this Trilogy series we've decided to do a few sequel episodes and possibly turn it into a four part or five part series if you've enjoyed this one do share it with your friends I know you enjoy the podcast so make sure you follow us on Spotify with a Spotify exclusive which means that every episode is available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world this one's the story which begins right where we left off at part two I do recommend that you check out part one and two to get a deeper understanding of this particular part and in saying that even if you haven't checked out part one and two it's you need to know about the greatness of this legendary ruler and you will get a glimpse of the greatness in this episode


a glimpse of the greatness in this episode this is part three of a special Trilogy on shivrai by medha bhaskaran ma'am enjoy [Music] we're gonna part three of this chatrapati shivaji Maharaj special on TRS we're purposely going to make this an extremely fast-paced episode because this concept of shivray versus the mughals is extremely complex there's too many battles there's too many things that happen I want to know much more about the story ma'am so thank you for two epic detailed episodes uh Where Do We Begin the third one because I think we left off at the point where is a very upset man now now he really does not want the marathas to exist there is the maratha the rise of the marathas must not take place so he chooses his most trusted man who is the Khan a very intelligent man who is an also an architect uh as he chooses him as a subedar of the Deccan and Po and sends him to Aurangabad with


and Po and sends him to Aurangabad with the pure intention of actually taking out shivray taking on the marathas yes taking on shivrai he wants to destruction what is parallely happening in the maratha Empire this can you call it the maratha Empire no it's just it's a small small territory small territory but not Empire but are maharashtrians all over Maharashtra getting attracted towards the philosophy by this point no just uh she she rise territories just in now in near Pune around Pune Valley of jowli and parts of konkan okay okay and of course now uh parts of Adil say also they have won few forts a few forts in the adidasai terrain that is important is so now you have to find out when chai second comes with he is he is a subedar of um madhya Pradesh actually today's madhya Pradesh then it was called which I don't remember exactly but uh he comes to Maharashtra uh he comes to Pune with 100 000 soldiers you


he comes to Pune with 100 000 soldiers you know some of them is Cavalry some are foot soldiers and some other artillery men and his wives his concubines and his children everybody in that cavalcade so the what is his intention is he knows he cannot fight shivrai in the mountains so what is he going to do he's very clear about it he takes this cavalcade and blocks through the terrain of shivray destroying Villages after Villages after Villages no he was to just destroy the territory which is known as War of Attrition so he comes and uh he comes comes with his all his people and the if there are a hundred thousand men and people women there are a hundred thousand animals so imagine the destruction of the territory animals are eating all the greens so everything is denuded all the trees are gone and you can you believe what smell they must be leaving behind using you know they have to defecute droppings animal droppings and human droppings so they


animal droppings and human droppings so they destroy the territory and shivrai by now has shifted his family to uh a fort called um rajgarh near Pune so that is his family base now he's run away he's taken his family and gone because planes are too dangerous the mughals are all over and what the size they can't do Lal Mahal which was the pal small tiny Palace of shivray there okay in Pune he takes the downstairs upstairs the courtyard and around him is a small little sleepy town of Pune and around Pune is the huge military Camp it's like python swallowing a small prey yeah so he comes there now he lives there for almost two years destroying he sends his quadrants all over the place to kill villagers loot make bring in the slaves and there are many entries to that uh Camp military camp so there were no at that time no biometrics so it was difficult for those people also to know who is the enemy entering and who is the


know who is the enemy entering and who is the enemy going if if any Spies bharata spies entering by then there's a huge shivra has developed a huge spy Network okay and many of his spies are working in the camp Mughal Camp as monsieurs as a postman as servants as cleaners you know his so shivrai knows about the camp very well where is he at this point is Raj good which is modern day Rajkot okay it's known as it mean it's a fort is it near Pune okay it's a very it's very treacherous Fort to climb gotcha so it's a safe place for himself a place for he and his family and he has now acquired many many foods you know at least several foods like he has about 23 plus 12. how many that would be 20 35 35 forts he has so this uh comes and Parks himself and war of attrition starts and destruction of shivray's territory starts so then shivra has to think out of the box you know


shivra has to think out of the box you know something different so he's they said we cannot uh and what shaistekhan does he never walks out of that house he's safe in that house so you cannot catch him outside anywhere so then shivrai says that we have to go into that house and attack him now many people say how can he this is very bad enemy is sleeping you cannot act you cannot it is against the rule of War you cannot attack a person who is most vulnerable in his house my answer to these critics is that that that was shivrai's house in the first place which was occupied by Khan so I asked the people if somebody comes and occupies your house you are going to use any method to drive him or her out I have done myself that thing you know they're taken I've gone I mean that kind of things happen and shivrai was trying to drive out the enemy from his own house so that's the famous attack onus in the midnight attack when she is the


attack onus in the midnight attack when she is the candles attacked but not killed his only his fingers are lost because shivrai and his people he takes his childhood friends with him at that time because they had played hide and seek in that house they know everything about that house and how they entered the camp how they enter the house it itself is a very interesting part of the story and in one of my books challenging destiny I have compared shivra's midnight attack on with um Neptune star operation where Osama Bin Laden was killed was supposedly killed was supposedly killed the both hid behind their wives and both lost their first son in that you know here shaistekhan as well as Osama Bin Laden we don't know it was a water grave for him yeah alleged deadly killed okay is another person who is been posted in in the Deccan that time and by the mughals by the mughals and he is near kondana Fort you know his Camp so what shaistekhan


Fort you know his Camp so what shaistekhan does he finds just just one thing that would Escape good he said you only uh are provided information to shivray and you allowed his people to come in the camp and you are the traitor you know like that but aurangzeb gets so fed up that Khan is posted to Bengal and Zeb says please don't see my face again ever okay ever so he's posted but what happens to him he dies eventually no no he does a lot of good work in Bengali architecture yeah he becomes very famous there okay and then he dies a natural death okay that's okay but what happens now whom to send to uh shivray does not trust jaswan Singh rathod because he had become a traitor and joined shahza in a war of succession so there is this another very powerful rajput Mirza Raja Jay Singh who is linguist knows several languages he is pickled in politics he knows the Deccan because he had four


he knows the Deccan because he had four bottles in battles in the Deccan and he is very good looking and very you know princely so this is the man who has to go uh to the Deccan to face shivray but aurangzeb thinks there are two kafirs they can join hands together you see therefore he also along with just uh Mirza rajaj Singh he also sends a guy uh from Afghanistan a warrior Khan diler Khan and Mirza Raja Jay Singh hate each other naturally their Rivals so what they say dilekhar wants to go to konkan but Mirza Raja says no there is this purandar fort first we have to take one fourth of shiv rice shivaji is one foot then he knows that the Mughal are capable of taking the food and he studies very hard you know when Mirza Raja comes to the deck and he studies very hard and he finds out this purandar fort has another twin Fort around near it which is


fort has another twin Fort around near it which is known as vajra Gad the voice record is slightly short than purandar and if we can take over vajragar we can take over purandar purandar is manned by murar bhaji what diler Khan and Mirza Raja plan is that we will take vajrangat and then we will enter purandar so that battle they succeed that is also very interesting battle they take over vashrakat then there is a shallow Valley between purandar and virtual and then they took her take over purandar lower Fort and then there is a famous battle where burar baji comes in with 500 people while diler Khan's Afghan soldiers five thousand of them are waiting on the outside the fort of purandar and there is a battle there and the way murar baji fights so diler Khan stops muradbaji and says you know it's it's not whip it's like a flexible flexible sword both he fights and he kills lot of people for one


he fights and he kills lot of people for one maratha 10 mughals are killed then at that point delayer Khan as history books I mean maybe fiction he stops him and says uh that why do you want to work for uh shivaji he's a poor man and I will give you so much salary and I'll make you a big mansabar my emperor that time murar baji says gives him Galis in Marathi and says this will not happen don't even you know question my loyalty to shivrai he attacks the ler Khan and uh um murar baji is killed by an arrow uh you know by delay Khan's bodyguard and then and they say even headless body of murar baji kept fighting the battle so that may be a kind of little fiction in history but this is what they say murar bhaji is killed but his [Music] army goes back into the fort upper foot and close the gates so at this time thous hundreds of villages have been attacked by the this


of villages have been attacked by the this um he is this multi-pronged attack multi-pronged War if War of Attrition it is attacking the villages and taking over the uh photos so what he has shown I can take over your Hill Food don't be so proud you know your heel force mean nothing that he sends the message and thousands of villagers have been massacred this time shivray goes to meet Mirza Raja says this there is a meeting and there is purandar peace treaty happens between them I am Mr Raja Jai Singh has been magnanimous he's a good man so he but he he what he tells you right that give me 23 forts which were acquired by you from Adil Shahi which you acquired in konkan I don't need but you what adilshai force you acquired those 23 Forts and around territory I want which is generating lot of Revenue so shivra is left with only 12 votes only twelve foot that purandar peace treaty signed


only twelve foot that purandar peace treaty signed that time Mirza Raja Jason says you become our man Sardar okay now remember this you become our man Sardar so shivra is very in very interestingly there is a proposal by shivray which is again I feel management he says I will not be your Mansa that my son will be your mansanta so how old is your son what is his name my son's name is sambhaji shambhuraje he's seven years old that time shambu raje is made a Mughal bansada why do you think shivra made this you know took this step is because that uh if shivrai was made a mansabdar Mughal man the first posting would have been either in northeast or Northwest to take the king out of a stronghold exactly destroy him but he cannot aurangzeb cannot send send seven-year-old boy to North his Frontiers or Northwest frontings also shivray writes down in the treaty that I am allowed to increase my territory in konkan region against


allowed to increase my territory in konkan region against the adilshai forces I am allowed to fight that is also agreed by Mirza Raja chasingh now the mughals have won 20 taken over shivra is 23 forts without Bloodshed and Mirza Raja has achieved a great thing so by showering them is very happy now they say next is foreign has to help against adilshai so shivrai and his force and the Mughal force all go and Camp around bijapur but bijapurian bijapur you can read in my book it's a very there is multi-walled City you know it's very protected and what do bijapurs do the badi sahiba and Ali adilcha they take in all the farmers and they use Scorch Earth tactic they you know they put mud in all the wells and they kill all the animals and burn down all the granaries so when these people come they are starving and they cannot they cannot break the wall of bijapur and go it's huge if you see that and it has 12


it's huge if you see that and it has 12 gates and all that it's a majestic thing and I don't know now what is remaining but this information I found from 18th century book written by a britisher on bijapur how it was then you see so these people are defeated mind that perhaps shivaji has joined hands with bijapur people foreign so then he she raised then they say how to remove shivrai from this entire scene is to send him to Agra so that time aurangzeb's 50th birthday is coming according to the moon calendar how old is shivra at this point okay about 35 is 7 year old sambhaji so then mansardar also has to go with children so that is how shivrai goes to Agra you know then they but shivra has a this is a strategy there is a master stroke in this Shira wants to go and meet tabacha because uh promises him lot of things he also says that perhaps after I go if Bacha likes you he will may he will make you a


likes you he will may he will make you a Mughal subedar of the Deccan and Shiva thinks I have become Mughal subedar of the Deccan with Mughal help I will eliminate the sultanates and then I will eliminate Mughal also eliminate the Mughal also that was his strategy Jason also promises that badshah may help you to war against siddhis also so what shivray does he go visits all the 12 votes remaining ports and tells them if I die or any message comes from me from Agra that I am dying or I will get killed if you do not surrender the force do not surrender the foods let me die there so independently you fight the foods why why did he send this message no he visits all the foods but but he wants them to retain the freedom exactly he wants to retain the seed of his swaraj which is only 12 photos the philosophy must live on yes must live on and if I die and anything happens you


on and if I die and anything happens you carry on fight against the Mughal so we have to so he visits all those so this then shivrai goes to Agra then the rest is history when he looks at Agra he is actually first thoughts is another britisher's book I read on Agra and I described it and this is my instinct the Agra is just that the the inner city is very beautiful just like all the Indian cities the downtown is beautiful the rest is military camp and there is no wall so shivrai knows that if I can attack Agra I can take over Agra it's so vulnerable there is no wall it's not a wall City so anyway he goes to Agra and then the famous episode you know that they meet only for few minutes that Ram Singh Mirza raja's son is supposed to come and greet him he doesn't arrive when um Sarai Sarai is a guest house which is given to shivra is not up to the mark and nobody comes


is not up to the mark and nobody comes to greet him and and then at the day of the birthday bacha's birthday there is some misunderstanding and shivrai gets late to go into the Darbar by the time all the function in diwani arm is over and they have gone to diwani cars and then shivraj she's jaswan Singh rathod in front of him see in Mughal Court where you stand is most important thing that's your designation how much respect the emperor has for you depends on where you are made to stand nobody sits in the Mughal Court even the priests stand so everybody stands and the women are behind the curtain and where you stand is of the most important thing so when shivray sees jaswan Singh rathod in front of him he gets very angry that what's my respect here you know because shivra is not used to bowing down to anybody you see there are many protocols in the Mughal Court you cannot show your backside to the emperor you have to


show your backside to the emperor you have to do cornishat that means you have to hold your head and bow bow your head and then you have to fall to your knees saying that my intellect and my brain and my being my soul belongs to you I will do anything for you that is to anyone so that all this and the Heat of the northern heat it's summertime it's me everything works in his head and he walks out he tells you know I know you Bacha and he actually gives a couple of bad words there in Marathi yeah in Marathi and then he walks out and his son also walks out and then it's it's the it's a breach of it's it's it's a crime what he has committed but this is the only interaction between that's all there is to it shivra ever ever ever ever that's all there is to it this 10 minutes of drama wow which changed the course of history okay course of history then shivra is you know uh is put under


history then shivra is you know uh is put under house arrest that he has insulted Bacha many people come and tell Bacha that you kill him yeah why didn't butcher kill him like as in because I'm sorry from his psychology yeah so the thing is what Bacha thinks is that uh let him be under house arrest and Bacha wants all these 12 Foods the the keys of those twelve forts remaining Foods so the maratha base is completely wiped out and also Mirza Raja Jason has taken an oath that you will be safe there and his son Ram Singh is also mirza's son Ram Singh works as a Agra Fort administrator so there is a pressure from rajputs that not to kill him you see you know I think it's very important to dial back to the first episode we did about aurangzeb being a great warrior great politician yes a great geopolitical leader yes he would have also done his calculations and therefore not killed uh shivray at this point yes which was


killed uh shivray at this point yes which was a mistake probably which later on he regrets while dying it's a big mistake like he feels like he should have killed him wow but then you know the Escape what I want to end this episode with because my see the thing is we think that he ran away into uh sitting into a sweet meat box it's not like that there are many hypotheses and I have taken the most logical one in my book which I can explain you in the next episode you know how he runs away from there and what impact it has on our Psych and and what impact it has on shambhuraj's Psych which is this triangle of Bacha aurangzeb shivray and samburaji it's very dramatic you know in history the the changes that happen in the minds of Bacha aurangzeb and shambhuraji because shivray runs away shivra escapes uh leaving sambhaji shambhu Raja in mathura and what psychological impact shabbu Raja had of that act


psychological impact shabbu Raja had of that act of shivray is a subject to study and what impact of uh aurangzeb had how shirai who drinked him you know and what impacted how he he was raging actually it was like a rage and what kind of uh destruction then Bacha aurangzeb planned for the Deccan that he wanted to bathe the Deccan uh um with Bosley blood you see that was his now he how he got obsessed with Deccan and the how the entire history changed is my next book life and death of sambhaji you know yeah I mean we'll definitely break that down in a further series we do with you yeah but I'm not uh ready to stop this episode at this point ma'am I want to know a little bit about uh what happened after the Agra Escape in terms of shivray he makes his way back to Maharashtra I will yeah so everybody thinks he escaped and within a month he went to um the Deccan see you if


he went to um the Deccan see you if you can it's not it cannot be like that he escaped much before the real Escape which we think you know because if you think of mathura he started from mathura to first he went to bijapur and then he it's about 100 miles of Road if you are a horse rider you can ride a horse 10 to 15 miles or 20 maximum 20 miles per day and he and if you do that for next two days your joints pain so much that you have to take rest So within a month shivrai could not have covered that and it's not a straight road it's mountains and rivers and the valleys it's just impossible so this theory of he reaching within a month to Rajkot doesla is not logical so I can explain to you how they how he really explain really escaped and when he escaped and why he how he escaped not through sweet meat box that would have been he would have been in a very vulnerable position see if and they were


in a very vulnerable position see if and they were checked posts and if he was found if he was caught in the sweet meat box he would have been hacked to death his most vulnerable he cannot even fight he did not Escape that way most interesting part is how he escaped and his what impact his Escape had on the psych of aurangzeb and the psych of shambhuraj that is very mysterious and which I needed to crack it by studying it for five to six years you see you think that belongs in the next episode yes okay all right because from there the story of life and death of somebody starts you know but you know to summarize this episode because people who are listening to the story for the first time and there's a lot of listeners like that all over India outside of Maharashtra all over the world yeah could you kind of just give a short summary of what happened to shivrai's expansion of his Empire in Maharashtra assuming he made his way back see the real Empire was


he made his way back see the real Empire was you can call the maratha Empire only from when the peshwas took over okay till then it was a budding swaraj you know of course was a budding swaraj so that's another story that's a big story you know okay so then you have seen bajirao that's again Bollywood film that I have not seen mercifully so the thing is till shivra's death it was a budding swaraj it you cannot call it a maratha Empire it was a dream it was a seed of the maratha Empire he sold could you give like one just ending piece for this episode just like a short summary of what was shivra's mentality once he made his way back to Maharashtra his his mentality was I am going to lie low now and I'm going to take over whatever I lost in purandar peace treaty okay and by this time Mirza Raja Jai Singh had fallen from Bacha aurangzeb's eyes escaped so he suspect


Bacha aurangzeb's eyes escaped so he suspect Ram Singh and Mirza Raja Jay Singh in this entire Escape episode he thinks that they were they had joined hand with children okay so Mirza raje dies a very painful death while he was called back from the Deccan when he's traveling to Agra he's tortured ah yeah tortured in the sensible he was you know given poison they say and poisoned by his own right-hand man his own Clerk uh his name I will tell I don't get it his name now but his own clerk who escapes to Agra that Clark before when Mirza Raja dies that Clark escapes to Agra and is converted to Islam protected so that's a very mysterious death Mirza Raja dies so shivrai knows that if I work for badshah if I even give my life to him if I win battles to him I will I expand his Empire my death is going to be like Mirza Raja Jason so his now his idea is not to


Raja Jason so his now his idea is not to even get enamored by Mughal posts or mansard post I need to cut them down to size and I need to first get back what I have lost in purandar peace treaty that's his resolution and over the rest of his life he eventually gets back all those votes and more okay and more when he dies he has 350 Force okay and if the Mughal wanted to fight for the sport each Fort needed three to four years of uh besiegement so imagine you calculate the years how many years the Mughal needed there were no Air Force then so the Warfare was based on high altitude uh pieces of territory no no no no no if you have Hill Foods when the Mughal forces come in so they if there is a bashishment 30 40 000 people need to message a fort because the this uh the circumference is so huge it has to be tight uh tight besiechment you know otherwise they can escape food can come in anything can happen


they can escape food can come in anything can happen so escape from panala is another thing escape from Canal I have not even told you and you think all this belongs in part four No Escape comes from the north they joined hands with Adil Shahi and one salabat Khan and that's another story salabat Khan is his name is johar siddhi johar he he is working he is a subedar of kurnool in adilshai Terran so he he is given huge Force by Adil Shah to beseech panala and how he escapes shivray from panala to because he now uh shaistekhan is eating up his terrain he has to be out there to fight in history so he has to escape panala and how he escapes panala that I can explain to you in the fourth episode The the intricacies of these wars you know it cannot be even sambhaji if the intricacies of War and the politics played by the Mughal the Adil Shahi and the shivray yeah I think


the Adil Shahi and the shivray yeah I think uh there's a few reasons we chose to create a very fast quick episode this time because one I don't I don't think even four or five episodes are enough to just cover what we're documenting in this one episode yes uh therefore this is kind of a preview for what is to come yes you can treat it that way but maybe to summarize all three parts today because they are centered around shivrai and the times that existed before him and you know the uh difficult lives of the common folk in India at that point maybe to end this episode for this you know you need to even to understand shivra you mean you will have to what the your listeners will have to understand the dark politics of the mughals how what they were doing the the politics with the rajputs aurangzeb's equation with the rajputs Bacha aurangzebs politics with the Adil Shahi and Qutub Shahi and what politics was internally going on in


Shahi and what politics was internally going on in Adil Shahi and qutubchai okay so all this is the story of the marathas it's not just the marathas it's no linear there's no linear story it's a complex play of politics and uh Power among these Empire and the sultanates and the budding maratha swaraj shivray's Legacy lives on even today yes based on his conquests his intellect uh I have been told a spiritual side as well uh anyway even if we discount the spiritual side for now everything he accomplished is still very much alive today in no no culture in Maharashtra another thing when the British took over the power in in 18 something the entire power went from the marathas you know marathas is reached by the Delhi also and Mughal Empire had weakened the most powerful where the marathas then and most of the power was given from the hands of the marathas to the British so it was like that is why Hindustan was formed


it was like that is why Hindustan was formed you know the maratha empire when it started ascending after the death of shivray they were incredibly inspired by the work of shivra what was the Legacy that was carried forward in terms of I'm sure there were Warfare tactics carried forward there was swaraj mentality Freedom I'll tell you after shivra's death and after sambhaji is dead 27 years the marathas fought there is no such incidence in history after the king death King's death every anybody has fought 27 years till aurangzeb's death and he was defeated and his forces were defeated the Mughal Empire was weakened 27 years the marathas fought only by remembering chirai only remembering shivra only on his memory they got the power they were perhaps their salary system was broken perhaps they were not getting enough food only on the memory of shivrai they defeated Aaron said how did he pass away who shivrai shivray passed away actually I feel he had typhoid illness I


away actually I feel he had typhoid illness I think illness yes why do you say you think think because the British correspondents right that he was he had blood flux means blood vomit and he had fever so blood vomit happens in typhoid you know there if there is a perforation of the intestines then the blood vomit can happen there also is a possibility that he was so much under tension because changed and certain actions he took which could have broken a Father's Heart you know Shamu Raja realized it later but that's what I said no his Escape changed the psych of bad showering Dev and to an extent change the psych of Shamu Raja um so that hit him very hard perhaps and he perhaps might have had peptic ulcer so that also can cause bloody flux that is blood vomit after dedicating 20 years of your life to this topic yeah I want to ask you what you think his mentality was at the time of passing away or what was he thinking about the


of passing away or what was he thinking about the future because he had created the base for a possibly the most powerful Empire that they are 350 uh Empire we cannot still call it it was a swaraj you know it has expanded to 350 folds now he had a territory of not just Puna and forts around it and Villages but also value of jawli plus he had um Navy and a large part of konkan region and he had sudden carnatic country of 54th in carnatic country alone and the the Chola mandala Coast so he had these territories many pastors so when he passed away what must have gone through his mind is very difficult to Fathom in my book though I have written that he did not even think that he is dying so fast how old was he 50. so 50 he died 50 when he died he was 50 when Samba shambu Raja died he was 32 or 33 together how many years 72 50 60 70 80 82 83 years and plus 10


50 60 70 80 82 83 years and plus 10 aurangzeb lived up to 1992 I think oh sometimes the world can work in funny ways yeah that's what you know so it's very difficult to Fathom more I think he did not even know he's going to die so fast he his 40s were all about conquering um yeah then there is then what we will discuss in the next episode is why he looted Surat okay and there was a uh there was a Ambrose father Ambrose I remember his conversation is there in my book he is one of the priests because there were a lot of they were Dutch companies British companies in Surat you see father Ambrose comes and he says that you Emperor is going to be very angry and eye for an eye he's going to destroy your region and what answer shivraf gives to Father Ambrose is very interesting which I will tell you in the next episode maybe you can give us a nugget in this one just this one piece um she says if whatever


one just this one piece um she says if whatever I do I attack you or I become a servant of the Emperor or if I attacked the Empire I fight I raise my sword against the empire my fate is going to be the same I'm not going to be uh I'll be ruthlessly treated you know but I don't want to give you the full answer in this okay all right yeah uh this was a fantastic very fast third episode of things remained and lots of things slipped out is escaped from panala and baji Prabhu Deshpande how he played his role from where he found baju Prabhu Deshpande it's a big story you know okay and that politics between the Mughal and the Adil Shahi how it played against shivrai because it was a two-way attack double whammy yeah yeah it was all planned that you keep him in panala imprisoned and we destroy his region I think we uh gave the listeners a great context on Game of Thrones Indian history in


a great context on Game of Thrones Indian history in these three episodes so much important to Game of Thrones you know this is even it's much greater the only reason I bring up Game of Thrones is because we have an international audience not I think Indians yeah all across the country know the greatness of yeah but uh International in relatively speaking you know in in it's like juxtaposition yeah no I I I totally agree with you yeah this was three incredible episodes uh I kind of like that we kept this one short and uh just gave people a kind of linear outcome especially as compared to the last there are stories within stories and politics within politics and how even siddhi johar who besieged penala Fort trying to imprison shivra along with its 7 000 soldiers inside panala uh how he was eliminated by Adil Shah because he was a he eliminated somebody and became the subedar of kurnool and he was eliminated by the same at same place in the same same way


the same at same place in the same same way by Adil Shah so it's like Karma come hitting you back what you did so there are many stories you know and how they plan to kill shivrai in Agra and who is the Sardar of aurangzeb and how he has the death cell where he kills his prisoners what tactics he uses there are a lot of stories within stories in this which I did not we could not tell you you know okay uh I will Point listeners towards your books I think that's where there are even more details or instances of everything we've spoken about and all I can say is that I can't wait to shoot with you again ma'am unfortunately you're leaving Mumbai for a few months I believe yeah so the sequel episodes to this one will be out soon where we'll go into even more detail uh is there any parting note you want to leave the listeners with after these three episodes there are lessons to be learned and hating somebody uh just because he


be learned and hating somebody uh just because he or she belongs to certain religion I think this is a thing of the past and we have to just get rid of all those biases and emotions and I feel that yeah I won't say become atheist but keep religion in your heart and in your house not outside your house and not in your mind not in your mind it should not possess your mind yeah because everyone's a human first yes and then everything else then everything else that's true all right Milam thank you uh great talking to you I bowed down to your knowledge in this 20 years no don't even bow down there's no need to bowing down um readers like you people like you keep me you know energetic yeah I think I think you're going to be very pumped about coming back once these episodes release uh I know what you have delivered today and I can't wait for you to break down more aspects of this third episode that we recorded yeah and the fourth and the


that we recorded yeah and the fourth and the fifth the sixth or the 10th and the 20th I don't know then I have to really study the history of the peshwas yeah we would we would love for that's a very very interesting history there was a which is very famous and they have brought out the irony of many things you know it's a intellectual play drama it is written by Vijay Tendulkar one of the very brainy uh uh playwriters gotcha of marathi's Arena literature he's no more but he's I've seen his drama now recently and I was really like I have to study peshwa history please study facial history relay the information just thank you for being on the show uh I'm grateful also I am grateful to to both of you yeah and him also yes uh I think it's episodes like this in people like yourself that give us hope that there's unlimited podcasts in this country so thank you once again thank you so much thank you so that concludes


again thank you so much thank you so that concludes a special three-part series on shatapati shivaji Maharaj this Trilogy allowed me to dive much more deeply into the reality of this legendary ruler everything that I wanted to learn about his mind his philosophies and his outlook on life I have begun to learn through this Trilogy because the story is so deep the philosophies are so deep the strategies used were so elaborate that this Trilogy will only give you a beginning into this subject and that's why there's countless books countless shows countless legends about this Legend I hope that we were able to do some amount of Justice to this epic story if you enjoyed it do share it with your friends I'd love some feedback from you folks in the comment section below tell us what you liked about this one tell us what you didn't like about this particular Trilogy we're gonna keep applying your feedback and we're going to keep improving this Indian history special on DRS has only


improving this Indian history special on DRS has only begun and lots more is coming your way that's why make sure you follow us on Spotify every episodes available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world do suggest more authors do suggest more historians would help us form a better vision of history in all our Collective minds and I hope that this particular Trilogy helped Elevate our Collective Consciousness a lot more as the TRS family thank you for listening in lots more coming your way [Music] thank you


do you think that we will scientifically Advance a lot over a thousand years or 2000 years and figure out how to explore these moons and explore Mars much more deeply I think we already have the technology to send human beings to Mars the only question is can we bring them back alive the technology already exists to send people on Mars but right now the risk factor is high when it comes to sending humans anywhere we want to make the risk as low and as close to zero as possible so when they sent humans to the Moon that itself was quite risky but thankfully there were there were no casualties there was there were no accidents of course Apollo 13 was a near disaster but it was they called it a Successful Failure because they were able to bring the astronauts back alive to the earth and the cosmic Horizon is getting smaller all the time body means smaller because the universe is expanding and at the edges it's expanding faster than the speed of light so all the galaxies


than the speed of light so all the galaxies are there at the edges are going beyond what we can observe eventually what's going to happen is in a few billion years we'll only be able to observe the Milky Way I think all the other galaxies will have gone abhiji chavda is back on the runway show this time in his professional avtar we've done history episodes we've done geopolitical episodes but this was a dream episode for me ever since the podcast began long ago I'd seen this fantastic web series it was called Cosmos it featured Neil deGrasse Tyson an internationally renowned astrophysicist but I strongly believe that one of the best astrophysicists in the world especially from a media perspective sitting right here in India with us and we barely know anything about his scientific side we've done a few science episodes in the past but this one was a deeper Deep dive into the world of science we spoke about the birth of the universe what happened right after the


birth of the universe what happened right after the big bang what happened during the Big Bang what happened before the Big Bang how did the Earth get formed how did the dinosaurs get formed are we related to some ancient alien race let's have a scientists break down all these Concepts and who better then scientist Alpha Omega Abhijit he's back on the show this one got a little deep a little technical I urge you to keep up because if you can keep up with the entire episode you'll be the most fun most geeky but most respected person at social situations because you'll have scientific gun to dish out this is AC on the runway show follow us on Spotify every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world with another Blockbuster episode begins right now by the way there's a part two because part one part two together got too heavy this is just part one right up till the dinosaurs got extinct [Music] [Music] AC welcome back to


got extinct [Music] [Music] AC welcome back to the science special of TRS in the recent past we've done too many history too many geopolitical conversations though by profession you're a scientist you're an astrophysicist to be more specific what does an astrophysicist do we study the mysteries of the universe the big Mysteries of the universe where is the 95 of the universe that's missing where is the mass what's the energy and what are all the laws of physics all about and what do we not understand all of that put together so today's theme for this episode because we've kind of touched upon your subject matter in one of our past episodes I'll also link all our past science episodes down below there's some fantastic Hindi ones as well that we've done but for today's episode we're talking about the ancient history of our planet and I don't know how much that contributes to your field of study so when you're actually studying the mysteries of the universe are some of


the mysteries of the universe are some of the clues present on our planet itself a very minimal Clues actually we could look for fossilized evidence of Dark Matter perhaps we could look for that in rocks perhaps and so on but typically we don't study the Earth we study the far away astrophysical objects like stars and galaxies and nebulae and the black holes and quasars and pulsars and magnetars and stuff like that we try to piece all the information together the evidence together and understand the universe better okay let's do a little bit of a recap before we begin to dive into the Earth's ancient history uh why don't you kind of explain what dark matter is to those of us who forgot right so dark matter is about roughly 23 percent of the mass energy composition of the entire universe so when we look outside you go out in the in the night look at the night sky when the lights are not on you see all kinds of stars if you take a telescope


all kinds of stars if you take a telescope you will see galaxies you will see nebula you will see all kinds of astrophysical objects you will see dust clouds you take all of what is visible you add it together you get a certain amount of mass you can add that up and you can you can roughly calculate how much mass that is that amounts to less than five percent of the actual mass energy of the universe how do we know the actual mass and because we know how fast the universe is expanding we know how fast or how slow galaxies are rotating so and and based on the Luminosity of a galaxy and how much mass you can see there you can actually deduce how fast a Galaxy should rotate and we find that it doesn't match our observational evidence which indicates there is much more mass in that Galaxy but we are not able to see it so that's how we know these things exist so when we say something has mass it means it occupies some space it


something has mass it means it occupies some space it has weight mass is not weight mass is energy equivalent it does occupy space but sometimes some Mass May occupy space but may not be visible certain massive particles can pass right through you and you will not even feel a thing there is something called neutrinose so every second trillions of solar neutrinos pass through your body in my body every second do you feel a thing we feel nothing they have a tidy minuscular amount of mass we don't feel it they interact via the weak interaction the weak nuclear interaction and we don't feel that at all you they don't pass on a straight line right they do they do pass in a straight line yes is there enough space in our bodies for it to pass in a straight line it passes right through everything it passes right through the atoms in our bodies it puzzle right between the electron and the nucleus of an atom it can it may even pass through the nucleus itself of an atom How does it


the nucleus itself of an atom How does it go through the nucleus of an atom it simply doesn't interact okay see for instance if I were to push my finger through my palm my my palm will resist this because this is the power exclusion principle in the electromagnetic interaction at work at the same time that's why this matter occupies space when it comes to the weak interaction it's a extremely weak interaction it's stronger than gravity but much weaker than the electromagnetic interaction and that's why when a particle that interacts only weakly through the weak interaction passes through you it typically simply won't interact with any of the components constituents inside your body and that's how it typically happens so okay before we actually move into talking about the theme of today's episode I want to ask you one question which I've always wondered about if you clap if you join your hands together is my hand touching my other hand or is the electron from my right hand touching an electron from the


electron from my right hand touching an electron from the left hand and creating a repulsion because of negative means negative therefore they push away each other and that's what I'm feeling as a mass repulsion of my two hands against each other when we do this it's not actually touching you go deep inside you take in case such a microscope exists and you go right at the intersection of these two hands you'll find there's a very small Gap in between right so it is the electromagnetic interaction which makes matter occupy space it's the power Exclusion Principle which comes out of quantum mechanics that makes matter occupy space and as two massive particles let's say two atoms come close together they may most likely not even touch each other and they will be repelled by each other in some cases you may have some some interaction some touching but typically atoms have some distance between each other right that's what happens but it seems to us like we are touching and interacting hmm it makes you think about Concepts like


interacting hmm it makes you think about Concepts like God like if God has truly created us how crazy did his or her mind have to be you know to create this complex world with complex rules that we're still discovering you know think about things like that as a physicist why not I'm a human being after all so look if you want to truly understand the mind of God I think one of the best ways of of doing that is to try and understand physics because physics represents the rules that God wrote down in case god of the gods exist the rules that he wrote down for us to discover for us to discover and the rules that govern the universe okay right and those rules are encoded in mathematics and in the in all the uh phenomena that we observe uh math and often like advanced mathematics reveals truths about physics uh and if you really want to get to know the Mysteries you have to go to the depths of advanced mathematics is that right to say so mathematics


advanced mathematics is that right to say so mathematics essentially encapsulates the patterns and regularities of the universe okay that's what mathematics actually is but mathematics itself isn't physics mathematics can represent any category of objects genuine I mean physical objects or even non-physical objects you can create a mathematics out of infinite Dimensions if you want there are certain things like Hilbert species that that exist in the Hilbert space has infinite Dimensions you can create a 11 dimensional Theory called the string theory 10 dimensional Theory String Theory which may or may not be true but it works that way mathematically so mathematics is all about categories it's all about logic applied to categories of objects could you say it's very high quality paint that you can then paint different universes with and different are the mathematics that we know only applies to our universe in a different Universe you may have 2 plus 2 equals five we don't know how other universes work so the mathematics we observe and we understand only applies only


mathematics we observe and we understand only applies only reveals the truth about this universe the one we inhabit does our mathematics reveal that there could be other universes or it's not mathematics that reveals this it is the extrapolation of what we know about the universe that the universe is expanding that's why in the past it must have been contracted into a single point maybe a singularity and if such a thing happens in this universe maybe there was a a universe before our own maybe it's a cyclical universe or something like that and maybe there are multiple universes by extrapolating the extrapolating that to other universes as well so it's something that we speculate it may be true it may not be we don't know because we don't have observational data or evidence to support that but it's certainly possible okay let's uh get to the Big Bang sir one why did it happen two what was there before the Big Bang three how do we know that the Big Bang


Bang three how do we know that the Big Bang happened uh why did the big bang happen see the best theory of the universe that we have is The Big Bang Theory you'll have to explain it as well yeah so the Big Bang Theory says that at time t equal to zero at the very beginning of time everything that is that exists within the universe all the stars all the galaxies all the light all the radiation all the dark matter all the dark energy all of that was concentrated together in a single point that's how the universe initially was then something made the universe expand the space time within the universe expand it was not an explosion it was not a bank it was a an expansion of the universe how slow or fast was it uh well actually the when we physicists think of time we think of it as if from a local arithmic perspective you know the logarithmic scale exponential scale so initially the expansion was incredibly fast yeah initially there was something called info the


fast yeah initially there was something called info the inflationary Epoch in which space-time expanded super luminally which means that the expansion of space-time was faster than the speed of light so you can go beyond the speed of light only in terms of the expansion of space time itself but when you're traveling within space time you cannot break the speed limit of light what happens if you do you simply can't the laws of the universe prevent you from doing it but if you try to do that your mass becomes infinite there is something called uh in in relativity the faster you go the more massive you become and if you want to reach the speed limit of the the light speed you have to have infinite Mass so it's it's unphysical you can't have that right it's not possible like your atoms disperse no then the the it's it's not a quantum theory it's a macroscopic theory so we don't talk about atoms and molecules in this let's say you have one gram of mass and


this let's say you have one gram of mass and you're making it travel at 100 kilometers per second it's gonna be one gram but if you start pushing it to relativistic velocities you're going to have the mass is going to increase from from a certain perspective and the faster it goes the more massive that one gram piece of mass becomes it may become a kilo it may become 100 kilos and the closer you reach the speed to the speed of light the more massive it is some something gets added to it no then it's just the mass only the mass and only and that's a mystery it's not mystery it's just the law the the the equations of uh spatial relativity okay they tell us this happens okay explaining equals to MC square also so so equal Times Square comes from quantum theory okay it's one of the most fundamental and all clearly the most famous equation in our physics it says that energy and mass are actually equivalent we have light light is


and mass are actually equivalent we have light light is photons photons are packets of electromagnetic energy now photons are massless because they travel at the speed of light which is why it's light but each Photon has a certain energy E equals H Nu where Nu is the frequency uh which is the inverse of the wavelength right so what is the wavelength it depends on the color certain photons are so energetic you can't see them the electromagnetic sorry the infrared light which is not visible x-rays are also photons even gamma rays are incredibly energetic photons so light has energy and energy has an equivalent mass and that is why photons also can be thought of as having a certain amount of mass even though they are massless so that's how it goes so that's why photons there is something called radiation pressure the solar wind is plasma but there is also radiation that comes out of it and you can use that in a technology called light sales so you take a very thin sale a very thin


so you take a very thin sale a very thin sheet of metal or whatever you shine laser pulses at it it's just light it's going to propel It Forward the light the photons of momentum and momentum also can be thought of as something that comes from Mass but it's actually from energy so in quantum physics the e equal to MC squared equal relation tells you that mass and energy are equivalent if you have m whatever it is you can multiply it by it by the square of the speed of light and you get an equivalent energy okay uh coming back to the Big Bangs so after the universe started expanding what happened after the universe started expanding first there was inflation then the inflation ended then there was and then there was a period of expansion initially the the universe was very very dense in the very beginning it was just pure energy then as the universe expanded it cooled down but it was still very hot and then you had the first at the so the first uh protons


had the first at the so the first uh protons and electrons that formed and you also had this sea of photons which is going through that and so what was there before if if you said the first atoms formed the first protons and neutrons first protons and neutrons form so what was there before the first protons and neutrons because your Viewpoint of the universe is that everything is made up of protons neutrons and electrons that's five percent of the universe okay okay that's what we're taught in our science textbooks yeah so initially you had just pure energy essentially what did it look like no way to say just just photons just light you can think of but as it expanded photons are light but extremely energetic light in in the very beginning so it was not visible to human eyes of course there were no humans at the time yeah if you had to place a human there what would the human see nothing it's dark dark but it actually was light even in the darkness that was