and so I have seen and then then I started long story short I started researching different world religions just for my personal you know interest I I was interested to see you know well there are all these different religions and are they really honestly like kind of saying the same thing just using different you know names for things and so I was very interested in religion and so you know theology and and iconology is all something that I'm very interested in I do have a I feel a very you know personal connection with with my god and and I think that that is a big part of my life and and something that I I believe in what it means do I think that he's sitting on a big chair up there you know I don't but you know I do believe have you had experiences in your life where you you're strengthened God has like increased after having a certain experience not really and the reason why I say that is because every time I was going through something really bad you know


time I was going through something really bad you know like whether or not it's my business failing I I would pray really hard right oh god please just let me get through this oh please let me you know let me figure this out oh please please please please please please and when when it didn't work out the way that I thought it should I get upset and I get mad I'd be like well if there's really over then some you know then you see people dying or loved ones might my wife's brother passed away at the age of 44 you know you you see these things like well if there was a God like why would this happen you know but but I think that was a much more like to answer the question no but yes at the time when I'm trying to utilize my spirituality in order to get something for myself it hasn't worked and I would get upset but it was in retrospect and only in in you know later perspective that you're able to realize that the best thing


that you're able to realize that the best thing that was happening if there is something else in a higher power that is sort of directing and helping and and sort of guiding you on this journey that his life he he she whatever the you your perception of you know higher power is definitely had a plan a plan in place and and gave me what I needed not what I wanted and so if that makes sense at all yeah for sure 100% do you do you now look back at those moments and say that oh this is what God was trying to tell me okay this is absolutely yeah and and that's the beautiful thing about hindsight right super crystal clear but at the time you're so busy being scared and hopeless and helpless and and fearful that you don't have the ability to sort of see through see what do they say see the Farsi the trees for the forest or whatever that's saying is and so yeah it's been it's been a journey it's been a journey for


been a journey it's been a journey for sure I invite you to enjoy the experience like the spiritual aspects of this country man like at some point in your life definitely make a trip to the him and it's not from like a religious perspective or you know it's nothing it's nothing ritualistic but I feel a lot of people go deeper into themselves they become super self-aware when they spend time in certain parts of this country and that's the big and not like when I feel like I feel closest to like to God and when I'm in nature and when I see things that are beautiful when I see the humanity and people like these are the situation's and and and and environments where I feel the closest and really feel the presence of of a higher power and so now III I know exactly what you're talking about I I watched a documentary recently I love music documentaries and I believe it was George Harrison from the Beatles who came and and did did he come he came


who came and and did did he come he came to India correct all the Beatles came to India I know place called education but he was the one who really like embraced it to like like just the next level and and you know with the yoga and the meditation and all that and so it's been yeah I am I'm familiar and understand that that is something that I probably should do and some in the future I I think it will happen to you and hopefully we'll do that trip together excellent but I need a tour guide somebody sure I would I would love to be that guy I want to change up gears completely and I want to ask you about the best and worst aspect of your shark tank experience when you did that who think I think you've been on it twice so just encapsulating both those incidents what was your best and worst aspects of it the best aspect of the shark tank experience was just the process of being out there in California and filming the the


of being out there in California and filming the the episodes because we make youtube videos that was the first time I really saw like the production and the behind-the-scenes and so that was like my Super Bowl and and so I the the best part about it was just going out there and being a part of it and meeting all of these other entrepreneurs because one of the the shark tank that you don't realize is that they film like half of the season within like a one week period and all of the entrepreneurs that you see they're all staying at this one Hotel and so you get to actually like everybody at this hotel as an entrepreneur going on Shark Tank and so the first time I was on the thing that was so surprising to me was how smart so many people were and and just being able to be around that many you know creative entrepreneurs was nothing I've ever experienced before I think one of the unfortunate realities of being an entrepreneur is that it's lonely it's a


an entrepreneur is that it's lonely it's a lonely journey often times and if you don't have business partners if you don't have you know people on your team especially when you're starting out it's it's a solo thing and so not having the ability or people to actually commiserate with or to share the highs and the lows and talking to your friends who are not entrepreneurs they don't understand what you're dealing with or what you're going through exactly they can relate but they can't necessarily understand and so going out there and just being immersed in a sea of entrepreneurship and creativity that was the best part the worst part about Shark Tank was uh let's see what was the worst part about Shark Tank you know I think it's it's it's it's the it's the decompression afterwards it's a huge letdown for me it was actually the first time I was on I didn't get a deal the first time but I was sure that I was going to be able to


was sure that I was going to be able to sell a lot of you know my my product which was the Alpha M style system and when that didn't happen and the first night it aired I sold one style system after the anticipation had been built up for months and months and months that was very hard emotionally I I think I got depressed for probably a few days I shouldn't I was depressed because I wasn't technically depressed but I was upset yeah it was it was it was hard for me but those were the two high that was the high and the low of the experience it was amazing I loved I loved both times I'd really and this is something I've wanted to ask you for a while probably since I began watching your channel what are you working towards what's your end goal that's something I'm trying to figure out and I'm being and I know that it sounds like a cop-out I don't know um you know I think for me I've got different goals for my businesses


for me I've got different goals for my businesses YouTube I don't really have a goal there's not really this like you know oh once I reach this this point in terms of subscribers once I reach this ten like there there's not really that like that that point at which I'm thinking Oh once I reach this then like that's it that's sort of an ongoing thing but for my businesses I do have goals but my goals are you know annually you know I want to you know I want to do better than I did the year before you know hiring new people and and you know getting over different benchmarks and so professionally I have you know financial goals but in terms of of ultimately what I want I just want to be happy and I know that sounds like a cop-out but it's not truly I love what I'm doing and I hope that I can continue to do this as long as I'm able to and I think that the direction will will show itself to me when when I'm supposed to


show itself to me when when I'm supposed to see it and right now I just am focused on on achieving small incremental goals with each of my businesses small baby steps and you know I don't I don't care to be the Elon Musk of of my state of George I just I don't have that I just want to be viewed as a successful entrepreneur and I want to feel personally fulfilled and and so if I I can accomplish that I I've accomplished that I want to continue to accomplish that and just take it you know to the next level so here's how I look at you I think people already view you as a successful entrepreneur financially I mean people view you as like this master entrepreneur but most of all I think it's the impact you're creating all over the world it's not just in your country like I think that's something again this comes from your humility that you're not able to digest that but you have no idea about the kind of confidence you're spreading


no idea about the kind of confidence you're spreading all over the world so I think you're achieving your goals every day and you're probably some who just wants to reiative it every single day and keep it going just like a true entrepreneur and it helps me and the honestly these little is these little momentary sort of glimpses of happiness and success and seeing that you're making a difference like that helps me and fuels me I mean the reason why you know I am as fulfilled as I am is because I do have the ability to get feedback from people and and I do realize and I get the emails that I am making a difference in some lives and so for me I don't think there's any bigger purpose is to help people and and so I'm able to do that and so I feel good you know the fact that I can make a living doing it as well is is just a bonus because you're an entrepreneur I'm dead sure you're very self-aware what's your biggest strength


sure you're very self-aware what's your biggest strength and weakness in life professionally speaking professionally speaking my I know my weakness I know I've got a lot of weaknesses my biggest weakness is is myself in terms of getting out of my own way I hold myself back because I am resistant to change I am a creature of habit I like routine I like to be safe and one of the I think that is also sort of a unintended consequence of my upbringing you know growing up poor growing up in abusive you know family situations I want to stay in my cocoon if I'm happy if I'm safe right here if I've got enough if I'm safe if I understand and feel I can control my current environment I want to stay here but unfortunately as you know you can't grow without taking risks and getting uncomfortable and so for me it's pushing myself and being aware that I need to push myself in order to get out of this this comfort zone that I'm


to get out of this this comfort zone that I'm in and my best decisions financial decisions have been the ones that I was scared us to make hiring people taking risks taking chances those have been ultimately the most beneficial but they were the scariest for me and so for me I am NOT good at being uncomfortable and so that's probably one of my biggest weaknesses the other weakness I have is I'm a control freak aye-aye-aye even though I understand I'm not good at a lot of things for me giving up power and control is not easy it doesn't come easy it's come easier in the past few years as I've seen that hey if I can get this off of my plate if I can give something that I'm not great at or I don't love doing to this person they can run with it they love doing it I can do just what I love doing which is create content and sort of being higher level then then then then great it moves the needle and it raises


then then great it moves the needle and it raises the ocean for me and so you know that's another another aspect but in terms of strength I think my strength is my ability to work really hard and stay focused even when things aren't fun or sexy or exciting do you think that's the one thing you've done right and this whole alpha M entrepreneurship journey yeah I've you know there's another there's another strength that I have and that is as I'm not scared to fail because when you've failed as bad as I've failed and been as low as I have you know it's like what's the worst thing that happens if I try this if I want to try this and it doesn't work out what's the worst thing I'm gonna be driving a beer cart I'm gonna be bankrupt okay I've already done that and I've survived and so my willingness to take chances and risks calculated though I don't just run into things blind you know I have learned a lot over the years


you know I have learned a lot over the years I've had a lot of you know failures I've had some successes but as a result of the collective it's allowed me to sort of be willing to put myself out there without the fear of a failure failure sucks regardless of when it happens how it happens it sucks but it's going to happen and if you truly are going to be successful it's gonna happen a lot honestly because I think you're going to constantly be trying and doing iterations of different things and so so yeah so just the ability to not to not take it too personally and be scared to fail that's another one of my strengths beautiful um so I kind of got to change gyoji oh but it's in that same mode because you saw bankruptcy kind of early in life I'm sure that's affected your viewpoint on money so what do you do with your money right now and this I'm not I'm not asking Adam what do you know the entrepreneur


not asking Adam what do you know the entrepreneur I'm asking Arden myrin oh the brother like how do you take care of your money specifically where do you invest it how do you ensure that it's gonna keep multiplying so so for me I don't have any debt and that is something where when I went through bankruptcy when I was starting my image consulting business debt was a what it killed me it was it was it was it was just it was a much it killed your creativity it curled killed your joy it killed my my passion for life being in debt and being worried about how I was gonna pay my bills and and and so so I swore that once that bankruptcy happened I would never have debt again and so I have it and so all of my businesses are self-funded never raised any money never taken any debt and so that's one thing I also pay for things in cash pay them off so I don't have I don't have mortgages I don't


don't have I don't have mortgages I don't have things of that nature because it because that scares me you know in the situation I've always say this to people like I want to be in a position where if the internet explodes in the world shuts down I'm okay and my family's okay and so you know it's sort of it's funny but that's kind of the situation that we've been in in the past like month right the world is kind of shut down and it's like oh I didn't really think I was I was actually gonna have to have to manage this and so um I invested myself I invest in my businesses I you know I I invest in you know 401ks and things of that nature I also you know take care of my family and real estate I own you know quite a bit of real estate and a few rental units one of the businesses I'm about to start is going to be another business that I'm gonna be part owner in but I'm also going


gonna be part owner in but I'm also going to be the landlord and so I'm gonna get rent along with my percentage of equity out of that business and so I also do a little bit of angel investing as well in companies that that I believe in that I think are going to do do good things and I just want to be a part of their story and and it allows me to do what I do which is have a little bit of money that I can contribute and offer some some advice where I can and and you know invest money there as well and so that's how I invest my money I also you know own some stocks and invest money in some of the markets but for me that's honestly the scariest thing because I don't have control over it and but but yeah so that's how I I manage my my money my finances everybody tells me that I shouldn't pay off like real estate and stuff but it makes me sleep better at night so what's the best and


me sleep better at night so what's the best and worst thing about being an American I guess I'm not sure what the the you know I guess the yeah that's oh that's an interesting credit I've never been asked that question before I think I think the worst thing is that were spoiled brats what and I think that we we take a lot of things for granted we've never experienced true hardship I mean we have you know over the course of our history but I think that we are a nation of entitled we feel and a lot of our people feel entitled to things including success and comfort when you know we are very insulated from the reality that is life in the world and so I feel like that is probably one of the downsides to to being a an American is that we're a little bit soft in regard so we haven't seen war you know we haven't seen bombs dropped on our heads like we like here like we're sort of protected and we're you know we're here and


of protected and we're you know we're here and we're safe and we're comfortable and and this is one of the actually was 9/11 that was one of the first times that I think it really rocked us as Americans and made us realize oh maybe we're not as safe as we think we are and then this situation that we're having right now I think this also is another game changer for us because we've never experienced this and so I think that this is good I think honestly I think that if there is a silver lining there are a bunch of silver linings in the current you know Corona vices coronavirus issue and crisis that we're facing but one of them is that I think it's forcing us to to toughen up a little bit and and to do a little soul-searching and perspective seeking in terms of the best part you know we've got an amazing country that is is the land of opportunity if you've got an idea and you've got an internet connection and you've


idea and you've got an internet connection and you've got the willingness to work hard you can you can be a success and so you know ever anything is possible got it but can you can you break down that land of opportunity thing a little more like what does it mean being because you hear people say that but I'm sure living in America you get a different kind of perspective on that whole statement I think that it's hard to sort of put it in perspective when you grew up here I think that that is one of the reasons why you know I think that people immigrants to this country have a much deeper respect and appreciation for this country and for the opportunities that present itself here growing up here you don't know any different you know that okay if you work hard if you you know if you don't you know have a victim mindset and you figure things out you can accomplish you know whatever you want you know they're there this this country wants you to be comfortable and and


this country wants you to be comfortable and and our government has set things up for that honestly we take care of people to some degree but you know it is it's it's an opportunity or this this country is a land of opportunity there's there's there's great resources there's great wealth and like I said if you've got an idea and you've got the willingness to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty and figure things out you can and there's no excuse here no excuse so my perspective as an outsider is that the big challenge we deal with in India and just generally Asia is that it's very kind of price point sensitive so any product that you're putting out here the cheapest product wins like that's that's the ground rule so you gotta have basically a huge number of products created to bring down your course price and that's that's the key to business you but I feel with business in America people are a lot more open to spending money people respect the quality of pro


open to spending money people respect the quality of pro way more that's probably my reading of land of opportunity yeah yeah but my question to you we spoke a little bit about the coronavirus situation what are people in USA thinking about the whole situation what's like you know everyone's attitude on an average I know I know there's like different people everywhere and all that but on an average what are people thinking everybody is freaking out a little bit because like I said this is not something that we've ever experienced at least that I know of to this magnitude at least not in my lifetime or my my parents lifetime everybody is is very concerned I think at first when you know we hear we heard about this coronavirus thing it was something else it was something over in China it wasn't you know going affect us sort of like SARS or the bird flu or these other sort of you know auxilary diseases or sicknesses we sort of thought that that that's what it was and it was


thought that that that's what it was and it was over there it's not here once again we're safe we're in America and and and then the proverbial hit the fan a little bit and they started to they started to get a little bit a little bit uncomfortable and it's like whoa wait a second people here are dying people here are catching it and that's when everybody sort of like sat up and was like uh-oh what are we gonna do and then everybody went out and bought soy --let paper Wow yeah everybody's buying toilet paper and like still to this day a month later the stores like have meat they've got produce they've got food they don't have toilet paper everybody hoarded the toilet paper apparently and so how people how people like cleaning themselves up exactly it's but uh but now people are people are managing I think everybody is now taking it very seriously and and just doing what they need to do in order to stay safe and I think that this


in order to stay safe and I think that this environment that we are in is going to leave a lasting impression and so once again I think that one of the silver linings that has come out of this for for a world for us as a world in us as a country here is that we're gonna look at things a little bit differently and I think that the things that we've taken for granted are gonna be a little bit sweeter now and the longer that this less the longer that we are in isolation or quarantine the longer or the more lasting and the deeper the impact is going to be moving forward as an entrepreneur what's your big business opportunity that you've spotted for the time period post coronavirus are you looking at things that way because I mean that's just the nature of being an entrepreneur like you kind of think of how your consumers will behave what will happen to the world and they say that the biggest businesses are built in and around massive waves that


businesses are built in and around massive waves that hit the world so I strongly believe that there's this whole thing called stay home economy basically people's requirements at home so you go around your own house you figure okay this is what's lacking here this is what's lacking here and the businesses which tap into those vacuums the businesses that say okay you know I think I should make a product for that which primarily is at home situations those are the businesses that that are going to take off but what's your kind of opportunity that you're seeing as an entrepreneur now I see that as absolutely accurate I think that there's this whole subculture of people that that are called like Preppers right they have you heard of that term prepper have you heard of that okay yes but you you leap explain it for the audiences so explain it yes so a prepper is somebody who is preparing always preparing for like the apocalypse or worst case scenario or not to have food or water for the


scenario or not to have food or water for the economy to completely shut down and these people prepare and for years and years and years they've got stockpiles of foods they've got weapons they've got bunkers they've got they've got water sources they they thrive and they they live for an opportunity like this and so when this is the first time it's actually happened though so all of these Preppers and people that were prepared we're finally like yes we're just about they've indicated we told you that this is going to happen and so and so there are a lot of companies that actually cater to that sort of that that mindset and so you've got a lot of prepackaged meals you've got you know the masks you've got water tration systems I think that this is going to force a lot of people to start to develop a little bit more of a plan and and to be prepared for something like this and so I think that the amount of Preppers that are going to come as a


amount of Preppers that are going to come as a result of this after this is over is going to increase in any business that is in that space is gonna do incredibly well I think home fitness is going to be another big thing because during this time one of the first things that shut down were fitness centers and health clubs and when that is taken away from you what do you do there's only so much home workout stuff you can do with two chairs and and a gallon of milk you know and so I think that a lot of people after this will start to sort of develop maybe like a little bit of a a more structured fitness you know basically a home workout equipment and dumbbells and things of that nature and so it's funny because there there is a fitness of place around me that sells fitness equipment and my buddy went in there to try and buy something and they've been sold out like it's sold out yeah completely they're like we've had the best month in our history


like we've had the best month in our history and they've been open for like 25 years and so yeah so I think I think that is one thing that we'll we'll start to see an increase in that and you know in terms of some trends that I think are going to you know take away the coronavirus I think one one trend that I think is going to start to become more popular as men's makeup I think that is actually going to be I'm not like I shadow and stuff like that but like you know tinted moisturizer and concealer pens for like acne yeah I see that as sort of the next kind of like untapped men's grooming trend that is going really because it's it's already popular in certain countries certain cultures and I think I think that is going to be something that is going to be a trend that you're gonna see a lot more people getting into why do you say that this thing is gonna start popping after the Cologne avoid a


is gonna start popping after the Cologne avoid a situation why specifically this trend because I see what's happening I think before this happened and and I think that more people are getting comfortable with the that and and I'm like I said it's not like I shadow and lipstick but it's just grooming products that are designed to help even out your skin tone and just give you the confidence I think that for a long time makeup has been taboo for men and when you hear about men's makeup you think oh you know real men don't wear that and I think that one of the the beautiful things about the time in which we live is that it's more about you know feeling good about yourself whatever that means whether or not you want to actually cover up a pimple or you want to get rid of the dark circles underneath your eyes I think this is allowing us to be more free and I think that that is going to be a trend that is going to to increase in


be a trend that is going to to increase in the next coming years I think I I believe that that's gonna be a very popular thing just like men's grooming products right men's skincare was not really a big thing ten years ago eight years ago and now it's huge I think men's makeup is going to be one of those those next hot markets do you do you think that the fashion and grooming industry in general is gonna take some kind of a hit because of the Karuna virus situation because maybe people are gonna head out less or you know at least yeah that's the way it works in India like I believe that something like the deodorant industry or the perfume industry they might take a hit here because guys in India usually only put on a perfume when they're going out on a date because they want a girl to smell them or you know they I'm sure it's like that for all men all over the world yeah so what we're seeing here in the u.s.


yeah so what we're seeing here in the u.s. Apparel has taken a big hit from the coronavirus because you're not going you have no reason to go out and buy a really cool pair of shoes because you don't have anywhere to wear them you know a t-shirt you know I don't need any more t-shirts I'm not wearing it I'm not going to be going out anytime soon so I'm not gonna buy that grooming has taken a slight hit but but personal care products are still staying relatively strong both of my my my company my hair grooming company as well as my skin care company they're still holding their own they're doing okay doing the time now we've had to modify our offer we've had to offer some incentives and deals and things of that nature but so far knock on wood the grooming space is still reasonably strong got it because I think it's self care that's something people want to do on a regular basis absolutely yeah I mean I know you don't have


absolutely yeah I mean I know you don't have 5-year plans but in your head you have a roadmap when it comes to your own businesses like do you think that okay now set up like oh hey care product now set up a skin care thing now I've set up like something else so at some point are we gonna see like an RN merino clothing line like do you think of your life like that yeah I think what I if I'm being honest I think that at some point if I continue on the trajectory that I am with my two businesses T Shanley my skincare company and and beaten Pedro my my grooming company I think at some point I will be in a position or have be offered you or have the ability to possibly sell one or both of those businesses to a bigger conglomerate and at that point I think what I will be doing honestly I want to do more like if I do that then I'll have more cash in order to you know help other entrepreneurs


cash in order to you know help other entrepreneurs and do some more angel and best thing also I think about I think about going and and actually you know starting sort of different initiatives to help other entrepreneurs maybe you know provide seed money or you know a mentorship program I think of myself once I'm able to sort of be in a position where money literally is no no issue I've got you know enough that I can not only support myself for the rest of my life and my family I have enough to actually help other people realize their dreams I think I'll be doing that you know in in terms of my business enemy the sunglass company I feel like that's a very strong brand and it's something where I don't have any pressure on it right now I'm growing it very slowly but I feel like that could be potentially something where I expand out of just eyewear and get into clothing and things of that nature I think that could be a potential outlet for that and so in


could be a potential outlet for that and so in the back of my head I think okay five years that could be something that's more present in my my my sort of my my wheelhouse in terms of what I'm doing I think that for that to happen though one of these other two big businesses has to go away I'd really enjoy talking to you Erin Leigh why on the sooner I do have some more questions it's gonna go a little bit on the personal side I want to know about your family life like what's the guy Aaron behind alpha I'm like you know when you take your superhero costume off what's your family life like what's your love life like what kind of role as your wife played like even before this started out yeah now I I'm I'm very happily married I've been married now let's say I get married in five six of seven so what is this thirteen years and and before that we were dating for four and so I've been with my wife now for


four and so I've been with my wife now for you know almost going shoot it's almost you know 17 years 17 18 years and she is she's my rock she has been there through the very hard times and and continues to be here for the good times you know but they're still hard times you know relationships are hard and they take work and anybody who thinks that it's all just you know amazing all the time is is definitely not not not basing their their presumption or assumption in reality it takes work and it takes two people constantly be willing to put in the time and the work just like anything if you don't if you don't take care of something it will die and your relationship is there different before then I dated before I met her I dated you know successfully you know I did a little bit you know it did a little bit of internet dating that was back when the internet dating thing was just starting and uh you know we we have a very happy very happy life we don't have


have a very happy very happy life we don't have any children and that was a personal decision that we've made and and let's see what else now behind the camera it's it's I work a lot but when I'm not working we enjoy going out to eat we enjoy going on long walks and and you know vacationing a little bit and just being together and and just just being very present in our relationship in our life with the intensity of work that you're putting in how do you balance out like your family life because honestly I've had a couple of relationships through this beer biceps journey and they've ended I won't say completely because of a lack of work-life balance but that was definitely a factor I mean I've grown up a lot now I'm not the same guy I'm not as you know I know I know how to manage my work-life balance a lot better now but hey it's always good to get some advice when it comes to work-life balance you could give me advice


comes to work-life balance you could give me advice I'm not sure how to do that because I don't have children my businesses my entrepreneurship is my baby and it's something that that I nurture it's something that I love and I give attention to all the time and even if you know you're not with your children you know you're thinking about them you're you know worried about them you're you know managing them my businesses and my my career has been my baby and so you know so I am always you know working to some degree even if I'm you know sitting on the couch you know relaxing you know that is part of the process of not thinking that you can out grind you know and just there that I think that's one of the you know Gary Vaynerchuk right everybody online knows Gary Vee I think one of the potential negatives that can come out of listening from him listening to him is that it it puts people in the mindset that you have to work as hard


in the mindset that you have to work as hard as Gary Vaynerchuk and if you're not if you're not working 24/7 365 you're not successful or you're slacking and so I think that he does not do a very good job of explaining you know that it's not and and for him he doesn't have it and for him he's he's doing what he knows to do right now and it's working for him but I think for a lot of people most people you can't endure that you need time to shut your brain off and so for me I exercise every day typically twice a day and so you know exercise is a way it's my outlet it is my release it is my it is it is one of my biggest passions and so no so my work-life balance I don't know what that really means you know it's um my wife she works still she has a good job she's a marketing director for a big engineering firm and so she understands and she's also seen my my growth


she understands and she's also seen my my growth and my struggle from day one and so she understands where the passion comes from and the fact that I I work harder than anyone she knows and she's okay with it because of this intense YouTube grind have you ever cried to her not about that she see yeah she seen me cry but it wasn't YouTube it was when my other when my fitness center was failing that was that was the low point yeah she's seen me cry oh absolutely back then yeah that that's when it was that's what it was hardest for me and so yeah definitely some tears were shed you also mentioned that you know relationships require work so could you break that down like what do you mean you've got to be willing to put in the time and the energy into your work just like anything right and and you've heard this analogy before I've I've heard this analogy a hundred times that relationships are like a flower you plan it you give it a little bit


flower you plan it you give it a little bit of water it starts to grow right what happens if you stop watering it of course it dies it withers because it it's unattended - the same thing happens in relationships you've got to be willing on a daily weekly monthly annual basis to put in the time and to not get distracted by shiny objects and what I mean by that is it I think that you know in our society I think it's gotten really weird in terms of where we're bombarded by by imagery of beauty and and this feeling of wanting and and longing for and and not having this and so we think and we are we are conditioned to think that the grass is greener on the other side when the grass is green right where you are if you can find somebody that you love that respects you that is your partner that is-is-is there for you and that you just enjoy hanging out and chillin with you know that's the person that that you should


with you know that's the person that that you should be with you know you know beauty fades but personality character and integrity does not and so don't get distracted by shiny objects thinking you're missing out give the attention and the energy into your relationships and your relationship both you know with your with your partner but also with your family invest in the people that love you and that deserve your continued support why did you choose to marry your wife specifically what did you see you know everything she was just she was she was perfect for me you know what some of the things that I respect most about her is that she's a very hard worker and and she left home when she was 16 years old because she had not the greatest family situation and so you know she's a she's a survivor and she has despite her circumstances thrive and and a hard work ethic and a compassionate heart or two things that that I find incredibly attractive and so those were two things that automatically attracted me


so those were two things that automatically attracted me to her it also matches with your personality yeah okay iren my last question for you on the podcast actually I've got a couple of last questions the second last question okay is when you're dying what do you want written on your tombstone how do you want people to remember you [Music] just somebody who helped a lot of people I mean I know that's it that's I mean what else is there I think that's kind of the overarching theme of of what I'm trying to do and you know if I if I at the end of the day you know when I'm when it's all over you know if I help people and I helped a lot of people and help people feel better about themselves that's all that's all I need you believe in karma you know I do very much so that's a huge aspect of your work right that's how you look at your work I'm sure absolutely karma yeah it is it is real and with the


karma yeah it is it is real and with the amount of people you're helping I believe it's a way of God in the universe giving back to you man like with all your businesses being successful and all that yeah and you you know the way you help people you know you get guys to be more confident but there's also these selected youtubers you help all over the world unknowingly because I've had moments where I've broken down in front of my business co-founders I've broken down in front of my girlfriends and often they've referenced your channel and they've said that look at this man like he's just going for it like he's always putting out content with a very calm kind of energy and I understand it your way old you're older than I am so there's a certain level of maturity and you know experience and that's why I'm able to do it but I still want to ask you like what's your like I kind of want to build out something similar to what you've


of want to build out something similar to what you've built out as well so I'm open to absolutely any advice you have for me any kind of feedback if you think I can improve in any aspect I'm all yours and this is something I've wanted to ask you since 2015 when I first saw you I'll tell you I I look at what you're doing and I'm astounded I don't have I think I don't have really any feedback other than to say congratulations and keep we're on hard I mean that's literally I think that everything you're doing you're on the right track and you are so far ahead of me when I was your age that like Who am I to give you advice right you are figuring this out and and you're gonna make mistakes the only advice I would say is is don't beat yourself up and just you know understand that the process is going to require you to you know have those those breakdowns and and when you do it's okay you know don't


and when you do it's okay you know don't beat yourself up but just get back you know get your minds straight and focus then and continue helping people and and moving in the right direction but you're doing such a good job I think that you know your journey is is one you're just getting started brother oh thank you thank you and you know I I will be pestering you in the future on like maybe some personal phone calls the next time I'm feeling low about something but man I cannot thank you enough for doing this episode not just from the perspective that you did it but we've wanted to do these kind of podcasts for a while I just needed to find my first hustler would be ready to set up on their end so here's the deal now we're gonna have to do another one for my podcast that I'm about to start and and yeah this is just so much fun when you when your team reached out to me I was like automatically I was like yes whatever he


I was like automatically I was like yes whatever he wants to do the answer is yes I'm excited and like I said I've been a fan for years and just to watch you grow and the impact you're having it's just been amazing and so keep doing what you're doing brother because it's it's definitely changing the world you have no idea how much that means to me coming from you so trust me of like you're one of those people that I respect the most in the world because I feel like if there was no alpha M there wouldn't be OBO biceps at least not the way it is built out today so thank you for the blueprint brother like yes just it's something it's something like very close to my heart I really appreciate you god Bless You Man I'm gonna be linking all of Aaron's handles down below I'm gonna be linking his Instagram is YouTube go follow go subscribe add in any last signing of message for the tons of brown people watching this around people everywhere


tons of brown people watching this around people everywhere just know that I love you so much and thank you for everything and I could never ever repay you just for all of your love and support and and to keep working hard keep your head up regardless of where you are right now it does not mean that you are going to be here forever just stay focused do not let your your past define who you are and keep reaching for your dreams know that it will and can get better and that you've got people out there like myself and mr. beer biceps that are rooting on you and and just you know it's it's a you know stay strong and be amazing and you know Ranvir just the fact that they've got you you know it means a lot and so congratulations to them for you and you for them thank you thank you thank you a million times I will see you guys soon and hopefully Aaron and me will create a lot more videos together absolutely you bet see you around see


videos together absolutely you bet see you around see you you


intelligent conversations only I see oh yes that's right the Bo Bice's podcast is now your we're not calling it the Bo Bice's podcast we're calling it monkey eat chat why because monk Entertainment is co-founded by myself and Vinod shade who's also the co-host on this podcast it's gonna be all about topics which are a little controversial maybe the awkard maybe college ado maybe the government maybe personal finances in detail not just startups not just motivation but obviously because that's a part of my existence a bit of that is going to be there the first episode is all about how we built monk entertainment from the ground level up to where it is now a future visions for monk entertainment our own business insights what we've learned from this world and our failures in college obviously it's going to be very deep very intellectual conversations I feel that when I came to video content I've already put out everything that I could but now it's my turn to put out detail information in my real


my turn to put out detail information in my real life I'm a very deep person I really enjoy deep conversations and those same deep conversations are going to be put out for you guys now remember that each podcast is divided into chapters so if you want to skip to a chapter that you enjoy go ahead the chapter list is given down below in the description box check it out and make sure you support monkey chat if you like this concert give it a thumbs up give me more topic suggestions but for now enjoy episode 1 see you hey what's good you guys welcome not to the Ranvir show this is a new property we're starting on beer biceps it's called monkey chat co-hosted by Randy de la Bahia and Viraj shade my co-founder on monkey monkey entertainment monkey chat our podcast is not just gonna be a business it's not gonna meet and be show style where I just ask people questions about themselves like what is your personal ire not not things that we can talk about anything so


not not things that we can talk about anything so we even be talking about ghost stories conspiracy theories business lessons life lessons quantum physics basically anything that's value adding to you an informative podcast episode one this is episode one where I'll actually be talking average about what monkey does what we've learned in the world of business and I'll kind of be introducing Viraj to you guys I just want to give you all some background on mister v-rod sheet he's my junior from engineering college he's also my co-founder we just happened to do a little bit of jacquard work together and eventually today we're running an organization that's about 25 30 people strong he's also genuinely one of those powerful people in the Indian YouTube community you name any big youtuber and chances are that via chat has put money on the youtubers table so he managed some of the top YouTube talent in India today his last two years have been full of hustle he's a brother and we usually fool around


he's a brother and we usually fool around a lot but on today's episode we're gonna try inspiring you guys I'm gonna try making it a little genuine so if you're a little more sincere than we normally do yeah Bharath shade I'm gonna allow you to start with the story of how monk and detainment happen because let me just tell you that two years back we didn't have any office here working out of my dining room yeah so from there we've kind of moved into an office with like 25 people and this has happened through like genuine hard work right so quickly to give you guys a recap of the story we start off Randy was my senior in college the first time I met viraja actually bullied him so I was like super buff in college and he happened to drop a little Samba in the canteen and a little bit of it fell on my friends shoe so I just looked at him old buff and I was like hey so yeah that's


old buff and I was like hey so yeah that's how it started that was our first interaction I was just trying to be that guy who you know goes to seniors and gets the whole vibe of the college oh it was a first freshers and I would participated he was the host that's how it started and then we started working together a lot more we started doing internships together back then and then that's how we gelled and we started working a lot we also lost touch like after college with you boob and all that I kind of just got into my own zone with work chapter one the monkeys story even Jay went back to DJ's angry one day of engineering college and I met Vera's death and at that phase of my life I was really trying to increase the amount of money I was earning through YouTube so I basically found the first good you I found and said bro please help me help me make some money of this cell of my college and I basically you know was doing it


my college and I basically you know was doing it to get a certificate at the end of the day and I didn't want to do it the whole traditional base-wide I just called him up and said well actually don't have anyone to call for a talk now but you're doing something cool in your life and you're the most accessible person I have right now and so can you come down and give a talk to these young kids about what is the whole situation with YouTube is it genuine does it like it can you pursue it as a career any of that yeah so technically back then going by the amount of money we used to get on YouTube back in the day it wasn't really a genuine career I'm gonna put it out there I had probably like I think 20,000 rupees or 30,000 rupees in my bank account where I got you back then yeah and I think the more I think the first brand deal we did of sorts was with this energy drink company we did some two-three Instagram posts


this energy drink company we did some two-three Instagram posts for 7,000 rupees baby stories yeah for barely like 7,000 rupees which I mean at that point felt like a fairly decent amount to me because we were just starting out we just started thinking oh you you get paid to take a picture and post on social media that's cool yeah that's when I had my meeting with Ranveer you know he had super hyped it up and sold it to me that bro this is the next big thing in the five years you will make a lot of money just jump into it this is right when I already had one job offer in hand and I applied to insane universities in the u.s. that's when this guy enters my life and says that you know totally switch everything that you were going to do and jump into this you know unknown territory of media so I remember initially there were few meetings where I'd send without and he really didn't know what to talk about what to pitch how to pitch


what to talk about what to pitch how to pitch how would I say that listen we have a YouTube channel you can actually put a brand new YouTube channel that he made a fool of himself many times but both of us actually learned through that difficult phase yes to give you context how it worked again then is I didn't know that there was a way to reach to the brand's right I used to directly reach out to the CEOs of each company hello they met Samantha brown and say that boss we run a YouTube channel this is the coolest form of marketing now we have X Y Z number of followers we will get X Y Z number of views so why don't you come to our channel and it'll be a great fit so I had written thousands of cold emails and this is two years back when the whole situation of YouTube marketing was not you organized in India so no one knew how do you work with youtubers how do you integrate your content pieces all of that so I've been in


your content pieces all of that so I've been in so many meetings where first of all I'm clueless how to start off with how to take things forward what would be the right dressing to go with all of that I've learnt over a span of time yeah also you know when they say that if you really want to make a big business you try understanding the waves that are going around in the market the kind of waves of money that are rising so that's pretty much what we did there was a wave of money that was falling into this youtubing game and we just caught us off Morton's are at surfing so we kind of were in the right place at the right time yeah I think this success in general has a lot to do with being norge is courageous enough to take the right step but also luck plays in a factor where it gets you to the right place at the right time and you need to grab that opportunity to make sure that you're riding that wave that's what


make sure that you're riding that wave that's what we did in general yeah we just took a gut call and said that let's go ahead let's go full-fledged into this I was actually doing a job back then when done we said that you know I think we can take this full-time and I quit in three months that's how we started the whole situation and started working full time on this yeah so I mean that's called the power of focus he put all his focus into bringing more money into bo biceps eventually it happened like from that 7,000 rupees per post I think the next day we went up to was like 25,000 rupees and gradually we kept going up eventually all our friends on YouTube like community Erica and M Gaurav buy from flying beast they all notice and they were like listen let's work together so we started managing even more people in an informal way and once there were enough people we figured okay wait now we need to make this some kind of a company


we need to make this some kind of a company that we need to formalize it or else it wouldn't make sense when I was in my last job I used to make calls just do it in my day job like I used to go to the washroom and make some calls and all of that and realize this this stuff isn't going to be long lasting right you can't be doing two jobs at once so we discussed that you know let's let's quit this let's start a company and let's formalize things let's get legal papers done and all of that yeah also I remember I had a lakh of rupees in my bank account at this stage and I invested all of it in redoing my own garage like we painted all their eyes like very cheap leave it like the cheapest paint of the cheapest painters we could find put in the cheapest possible for richer I said okay we company can he go again it was a classic you know how they say whatever Apple and all of these started


how they say whatever Apple and all of these started in garages that's true I and we get the perspective that you know that's they want to cut cost they just wanted to have sufficient amount of balance in their account to get the legal work done to get a first few employees to get some basic logistical stuff like your laptops all of that yeah but in saying that I think that infrastructure that space gave us a very kind of good platform for the company to get launched so eventually we got like the right people joining monkey we got Neil Katherine arranged Alec Ravel initially Rajesh was obviously there and I think a bunch of just really good people started working really hard together because of the leader so Viraj is the leader of both the organization's Bo Bice's and monk entertainment and he is the hardest-working guy any one of us has ever met in our lives because I mean even if you follow Munich story recently Nick put up the story of Viraj kind of he's gone


up the story of Viraj kind of he's gone to sleep with this he was texting and he was that that he just like fell asleep and and this is like a daily thing you you know start his work the moment he wakes up at like 8:30 9:00 a.m. he's answering calls he'll reach officer lemon he'll continue work him probably leave office at like 1:00 a.m. sometimes 3:00 a.m. in the morning and all that he doesn't give himself enough credit for that no I mean but that's completely not healthy what I still feel is you should come in at your right time leave early if your work is done don't just be there in the office but there will be certain phases in your life when you you will have to stay back longer do do longer things because when you starting off right people expect you to have a USB of speed like what is your credibility I can go 2,000 other people but I am going to pick you because you giving me speed


am going to pick you because you giving me speed you are taking the burden off of me so that's why you need to have that bit of leverage in general that's why it's we do what we do jump to the skills so I also feel that what worked for Mirage above anything is definitely hard work and speed but the other thing that really worked for him was Joe guard okay and this is a very underrated aspect of this whole game he cold emailed people that's what I call it yeah just mold email and just you know made his way like in this world like he just spoke to where we meant networked heavily took information from his own network and just learned the game as he was playing it so he taught himself how to become the best batch that's how you do do it and I mean most of these youngsters these days are sort of figuring it out that way right everyone every new inspiring safe photographer videographer you know editor where I meet as most of these guys


know editor where I meet as most of these guys are all self-taught and that's that's been the whole story of Millennials or people our age that you want to be self taught you don't want to be you know stuck to your own organizations and figure out this stuff yourself so that's how I went went ahead I realized you know what is the best way to reach to these agencies what is the best way to reach to brands how can we work with talent yeah at the same time grooming a talent or something there are causes on a lot so see from the perspective of youtubers all of us are basically children okay with kids inside and we do need a lot of guidance when it comes to the world of business the world of YouTube business the world of brand building so when I see someone who's a big brother to actually all of us he's like 2 years younger than myself you can roam like my elder brother yeah so again what we did is we realize


yeah so again what we did is we realize that you know let's keep the creative child in these guys active all the logistical admin finance work let's move it on to someone else let's keep that burden off to someone else that's how we figured that you know the whole management and manage your aspect came into the picture then at the same time I mean see he learned about this particular business but he also learned about business in general like how to actually grow an organization how to hire the correct people how to get rid of the wrong people all these little things you learn as you are doing business and you learn it through podcast we learned through books so when I say that you guys should listen to podcast you guys should listen to books I'm looking at varieties life see what he's done correct and just putting it out there completely self-taught I want to ask that as my first question of this interview because we've just discussed that what's been like the hardest aspect of all this


what's been like the hardest aspect of all this chapter 3 the struggles I think one the most difficult aspect I keep talking about is is the hiring part right it's extremely difficult to get the right mix of people because I see a lot of people are talking about the fact that there is unemployment or there's not enough opportunities in the country in general I think personally the fact is that a lot of people don't want to grab onto the opportunities everyone has a very employee sorry going forward right is that I'm coming in at 9:00 I leave I want to leave at 6:00 initially I feel you definitely should not have that attitude because you want to give it your best shot at what you're doing you just want to learn you want to keep adding more value because that's when you will get into the eyes of the higher hierarchy that's as simple as it is or you build your own thing you innovate you build a business around it so there's two ways to it but


business around it so there's two ways to it but both of these ways either being an entrepreneur or when you're being an entry-level job entrant is that you need to add value you need to show that you're in it you're all in it basically is what you need to show chapter 4 the rewards and what's been like the HAI of all this like what's been the best aspect of this whole journey I think the high the biggest heist to get to meet a lot of super accomplished people people who have the expertise the wisdom the knowledge to to do what they've been doing right and normally people get to access this at a much earlier age I've been lucky enough to you know pick minds of some geniuses like in radhakrishnan pillai you know people who are running huge organizations is something i feel is the biggest hire I get because I can speak to them or on a one-to-one basis and see that so these are the problems I am facing what is it that you


the problems I am facing what is it that you think I should do what is the direction I should be moving and as your mentality stands now how is it different from when you had just started out the one biggest difference I know there's like a ton of differences right but what's like the one like stock difference I think the biggest difference I see in myself is I was very under confident I mean fairly so because I hadn't achieved anything I didn't know if I was going in the right space and all of that but in general that should not be a factor you should just go in heads-up just be just fake it till you make it right that's how it works be confident every time you are entering the room make sure that you know your right and that's all that you have that's what people will only value you won if you value your say exactly and to if you actually have enough value in your if you've learned enough if you have enough information that you can add


if you have enough information that you can add into their life then they'll value you so I think step up to that pedestal of being a person of value it's like that song a real connections get made and one more crucial thing that we learned and this is a V Lowden Delhi Airport okay so when you're having a dosa and this uncle came inside talking to us he's like you know we've all suited up we were wearing suits and he's like where you get kids are wearing we'll come from some business conversing you late yeah so he tells us that mean okay guys I'll tell you all the biggest business lesson of my life business and India's made through emotional connections so I think that's something Varys is also figured out in our industry especially you want to make more money in life you first become people's friends in the world of Indian business you make your business connections and money will follow and the same time be a person of value so that even those connections


be a person of value so that even those connections want to be your friend so would that be a big learning if you do one hundred percent so that's what our core value of the company has also been right even when you're working with talents you're working with the brand's we make sure that we understand what is it they want before you know getting all the paperwork done getting them sign all of that that's secondary we need to understand are we connecting with the individual in the first place are we equipped enough to add value to their lives what is the biggest challenge or problem they're facing though again like Gary Vee says and I don't mean to sound or make it sound very cliche empathy super important when it comes to business right you need to make sure you're not in it to be a shark only mmm just you know go there to add value to collaborate and that's how you will grow with them chapter five much monkey up to now bro now the next question I want to


to now bro now the next question I want to ask you is as the co-founder of monkey entertainment I just want to explain to you guys how we've divided our responsibilities as co-founders so Verret would obviously be kind of the overall CEO of Monk and Raymond he's the head of operations he gets the final say on all the key decisions obviously he began the company he ran it alone you know when there was no other was entering the company so he's the king of this organization I'm primarily in charge of culture I mentor the people who join into monkey entertainment overall I said strategies for where the organization is headed but if someone asks me okay what are the activities that monk entertainment does I'll always tell em wait speak to Viraj because he's boring about these things so we're asked what does monk and entrainment do and how we been able to create an office of like twenty five thirty kids so how it started is again we realized that we were already working with talents


we realized that we were already working with talents now we were at value both monetary brand wise all of that then we realize that wait there's a gap it's not just the talents who don't understand how to work with brands but it also is the brands who do not understand how to work with youtubers right they don't know what are the right creators to work with they don't know how to spend it they don't know what are the market rates of these guys they don't know what platforms to leverage a lot of brands are not digitally equipped as yet they don't know how what is a swipe up story they don't know how to use a hashtag in a tweet yeah I think exactly like people our age know these things better because we're the generation that's grown up with all this around us exactly it's a part of our daily I mean social media was part of our daily life yeah I mean you grew up you bought a smartphone you grew up in the


you bought a smartphone you grew up in the smartphone age to top three apps that you've downloaded up essentially Facebook Instagram and probably Twitter or I don't know snapchat so we know we use these on a daily so naturally we know how this works a lot of the elder people or people who are running organizations were CMO cxos in these companies they're not so well-versed with it because they don't use it on a daily right so to cut up short what we do is we work with brands to help them understand how to work with talents we work with talents to make them understand how we can work with brands and in all of this we also basically do everything else that comes on digital like social media management video production everything content related is what monk entertainment looks at so that all of it can can come under one umbrella so tomorrow if a brand comes to me and says that I have X amount to spend on content I can tell them okay these are the talents you should


can tell them okay these are the talents you should wound with these are the platforms you should work on this is the branded content you should make beyond using influences and this is how you should maintain your social media pages yeah and we can do all of that for you this is like a one chapter six how you learnt all this so also a lot of y'all might be looking at this video and saying okay how do I figure all these things it was one step at a time it began just with influencer marketing in in fact the big and just managing me then it went to influencer marketing then we started helping brands with other you know influence or campaigns digital campaigns then we figured okay with branded social media social media unit in the organization so it was just one step at a time don't ever let these business stories or not overwhelm you like you know I used to get over and when I saw all these business stories Kyary are it now exactly and a lot of


Kyary are it now exactly and a lot of the stuff you read on the internet and newspapers and all of that is when you read them make sure you read through the lines because a lot of the times these figures are bloated that X company got a hundred billion valuation or 1 billion dollar valuation all of that is alright you need to see that what is the company's core problem-solving agenda like what is the problem they're solving olá at the end of the day takes you from point A to point B so they are making sure that they solve your problem of traveling Airbnb is making travel fun like they are giving you an experience for example what is it that we do we make sure that agencies or brands lives are made easier by being the one-stop solution in terms of digital solutions that's what the model is now how do you scale up from that is you build a team around it you network you work with more brands they will recommend you you do other brands your work speaks at


recommend you you do other brands your work speaks at the end of the day that's really all chapter 7 the future ok now where as where do you see monk and attainment going not five years from now but I'm gonna say 25 years from now where do you see it I think what we want to do eventually is like all companies we want to build a legacy right it should work without me him anyone else being in the company or not the company should stay at the end of the day and that will only happen if the if the purpose in the agenda of the company's in the right direction right if you're all in it just for money it will be a shallow purpose if you are in it to figure out that you're solving a problem you are adding something to an opposite party that's when the company will sustain and that's when the company will have a sort of a correct approach to to what they're doing so overall I feel I mean as next steps it would be to work with


mean as next steps it would be to work with more clients to work with more talents and to in general expand the team so that we can open much more verticals in general yeah that's the see jogging I don't know what I am the CSO chief strategy officer chief mentoring officer the way I look at it on a very personal level is that I feel that okay now today there's 25 young kids working in this organization a lot of them are supporting their own families on a personal level that's where I get my motivation from that wait you know our hard work is creating income for so many families and going forward we always have this dream of going up to 2,000 high of 20,000 hires at some point and each of our core people in office story will become leaders going forward so creating more leaders creating way more employment and overall adding a lot of money to the Indian business space that's how I'm personally looking yeah definitely I mean I'm extremely patriotic to this fact that I


I'm extremely patriotic to this fact that I want to add much more revenue to the whole Indian ecosystem even though I had you know I was all set to apply for my masters and all of that but I sort of had this reckoning recently where I know that you know creating employment or creating opportunities or being here in the country itself you doing a great sort of service to the nation I know not all of us can go to the front facing borderline and face some bullets and all of that but we can all do our bits in our way to help our country chapter 8 challenges so we know your twenty five year goal but as of now what's your most difficult challenge on a personal level in terms of business so I think the biggest personal challenge I have in the business is that just ensuring consistency right after you doing a similar job for say six month period to a you write it at the end of the day still becomes monotonous no matter how much you love it so


monotonous no matter how much you love it so you need to understand how is it that you can do things differently what is it that you can tweak around to make sure that this is something new there's something fresh that you're bringing onto the table I think that always remains to be the biggest challenge how do you keep yourself entertained while getting the work done what's scaring you about working right now like about this startup what's the one thing that you feel so I'm not fearing anything at the moment specifically but I feel at the of the day that kick when you start off when you are at zero right that should always sustain in your mind because if you start getting complacent when things are going in your favor right eventually that's the end of it I just need to be blessed with a feeling I had when I just started out you know I want to be on my toes taking all the time I don't want any complacency in my behavior or in my approach that


complacency in my behavior or in my approach that is what will keep me going in a longer run and I'm knowing him I'm pretty sure that he will be able to maintain that like if if 2 years and like a massive office like this and the fancy space and these fancy people around us couldn't spoil it I'm pretty sure he's not gonna get spoiled going forward as well chapter 9 love story let's go back to engineering College where we first met what was your first impression of working with me and what value do you think I have added to your life as a co-founder I'm not asking for myself I'm asking you to explain the value of a co-founder to God the general public again picking a co-founder is super important they should either in world 3 things one is either the good with tech two they have a great network or three they're putting in some cash on table right so technically speaking the second two things that the last two things that we mentioned was boxes it was


last two things that we mentioned was boxes it was stick boxing for you you brought in the initial capital and not a network that we could leverage on right that's how it started values wise I think one thing I learned big time from run wiid is that even though he comes off from from a fairly well-off family he made sure he wanted to make his own name in the space he's been there at jew beach at carter road all of that just distributing pamphlets to people to subscribe to his channel i don't know how many people know this but he's been traveling in trains day-in day-out i I know this is a very common thing to do in Bombay but this is at a phase where he was facing near depression right but he still kept going that's what I like about him he doesn't complain too much he's all about like going for it what is the next problem we're solving how are we solving it it's not about what is the problem and why is the problem


about what is the problem and why is the problem is about what can we do about it I think that's the biggest thing I learned from it and also like I feel the co-founders always kind of have an effect on the whole organization organization so becomes that so if that's what he's done for me I've learned like we all discipline from him like this he's disciplined about like all aspects of his life and yes maybe I work hard and you know I execute but there was a lot of discipline those lacking from my life which I get from every which the whole organization also get some very odd shade like when we see this guy working in the office always answering call always being in that you know high-speed work mode it kind of sets a tone on the rest of the organization as well including even my editing team they're very inspired by mr. shade so yeah man like I think we've just happened to find out great like partnership like a very what's about symbiotic like synergizing


like a very what's about symbiotic like synergizing yeah whatever we have great Scylla jump at compatible so you know with with selecting a co-founder it is kind of like a marriage and one other crucial thing about marrying someone in business is that your goals in the long term need to be aligned like if one guy just wants to earn like a little money and the other wants to build Reliance Industries that's not gonna work out both you need to want to make it I think you should be again should be the same yeah it doesn't matter what is the path that's being taken because there will be multiple yeah yeah that's the thing like with disagreements disagrees are going to be there any relationship you have and work you in at work you need to understand if you're having disagreements it's because both of you think that this is the best way forward for both of us together as an we both have the best interests in our mind exact but we just think in different parts and


mind exact but we just think in different parts and then we try understanding each other and then come to a conclusion and sometimes it may not be one of the two roads although it will be a third road which is like a big box and I mean you need to have that sort of a relationship with your founder because if it's a very yes-man relationship it's not a young value to either one of you you just need to make sure that both of you are thinking individually yeah so that the best output comes on to the table and then we go forward yeah so anyway guys that was a little bit of an inlet into Monken payment what I'm really requesting you all is that you're kind of support us on our next venture which is the monk and attainment social media handle so we're basically trying to create an education platform for you guys where we teach all business from our perspectives so the members of Monk and attainment themselves will be creating videos they'll be talking about a lot


be creating videos they'll be talking about a lot of the questions that you guys have in your heads so firstly go and follow that page of LinkedIn down below it's an Instagram page secondly obviously go and follow mr. shades handles have learned all of them down below and without one last message for anyone who's watching the video at this point because obviously they're watching it till this point they're intrigued by this concept of success right so I think closing points just make sure that you get things started and you keep at it that's the most important be consistent I have in the last two years not even look back and see our key catch Eldridge's keep building just have an overarching longer vision of what you're doing but just keep one day at a time one day at a time and I'm just getting started for anyone who is even slightly looking up to me trust me I am just getting started I'm learning everyday and all the work that we're doing together right it's not even


work that we're doing together right it's not even 1% of where we want to go so I think at the end of the day it's all about execution it's about doing the groundwork get to the ground and keep executing keep doing stuff because I know a lot of people who just like to think and not do after a point analysis becomes paralysis yeah of sorts red represent also again don't be negative about things we've seen really dark days and something you've not even spoken about in this interview but we've seen days are we genuinely felt like this company is not going to work out things aren't gonna work out for us we used to doubt it used to have discussion where are we doing the correct thing but things eventually work out when you put your honest hard work into processes so that's his message this is my message as well and until next time guys from without shade and red meat see you see you guys


what's the most requested topic on this channel bro please make a video on advanced meditation that's exactly what we're doing with dr. Radhakrishnan Pillai he is by far the smartest human being that I have come across in this country in my lifetime also extremely spiritually advanced he's been meditating for more than 30 years so he's got a lot of information in his mind when it comes to advanced meditation that's right according to me I break down meditation into two parts the first is a basic kind of meditation but if you just get yourself to meditate for 20 minutes a day but what if you want to take it to a higher level instead of weight training what if you want to power lifting now when it comes to meditation so guys if you want some guidance on where to begin your advanced meditation process that's what this podcast will give you also keep in mind that the audio version of this podcast is linked in the description down below so make sure you check that out if you're more


so make sure you check that out if you're more of a listener than a watcher and as always the comments section will have a breakdown of the entire episode so if you want to skip to a particular topic scan the comment section so this is dr. allocations Pillai on the Randi show once again this is his dope on advanced meditation enjoy yourselves Oh hunty shanti shanti [Music] what's good everybody welcome to another intelligent conversations only episode of the Randy show we've got one of india's smartest men dr. Radhakrishnan pillai sir so thank you again for being on the podcast it feels like being a part of the family it's like coming home so thank you once again run wiid for making me part of the show honor whenever we do Bollywood podcasts one of her top comments is why are you doing for you oh the intelligent guy the so-called intelligent yeah so sir do you agree and I'm gonna dive straight into the topic do you agree a


dive straight into the topic do you agree a big part of your intelligence and your personality today has come out of your practice of meditation 100% okay in fact without meditation you can't achieve most of the higher things that you aspire for yeah including material wealth 100% I think that's a byproduct of meditation maybe not the real effort should be put on mate it'll benefit alone but those people who meditate also gain at the material level if they want to can you elaborate on that like so a lot of people wanna come rich they want big in their careers yeah and the question you know where does meditation fit into this whole career growth thing sure so I think I would split meditation into three levels by the physical second is the mental and the third is at the spiritual level I think everybody may have different purposes to it so if you look at the physical level a lot of people who say you know exercise carlo and then you know calm down your mind with meditation take some three


calm down your mind with meditation take some three deep breaths sit down quietly maybe just do own car chanting now these are at the physical level and it does actually make you much healthier better when you breathe in sit quietly for some time but I think the real game starts when you move in from the physical to the mental level because finally the body in the mind both are connected and as they say that man is what his thoughts are so if you can calm down your thoughts I think there are a lot of benefits right from you know stress which we can de-stress ourselves look at you know if you're going through a depressing state of your mind yeah you know in meditation could help that's almost a mental so this is one of those things that you figure after you begin meditating that just the physical exercise can you know benefit your physical body yes doing a bicep curl benefits your bicep when you actually experience deep meditations you realize wait even my brain is going to some


you realize wait even my brain is going to some kind of an exercise yes but you only understand this once you do the meditations so it's like this you know hearing and reading about swimming and actually doing swimming so to get into the water so a lot of people have read books on meditation a lot of theories but till you don't do it I think you'll not never understand what's in it for me she's writing and do it regularly like yeah I think that's what you call in Sanskrit or you know Hindi also it's called obvious continuously doing it for a period of a time you'll benefit from it so if you go to the gym first time okay I look good second it will start paining you know suddenly all the muscles have stressed yeah and then you said okay second time third time and there comes a point of time when you're not exercising is when you feel bad so whatever they say no 21-day have bit creation over to so I think once it becomes


bit creation over to so I think once it becomes a habit then you actually can't stop meditation yeah yeah and your third level of you were talking about physical mental and spiritual okay I think that's the real real benefit of meditation so when we look at you know a lot of people who are expecting some tangible results from meditation so I know if companies who promote meditation yoga and I know intentionally they want their profits to go up because we have a calm person you have more productive people you take better decisions you don't mess up things but somewhere the end result is that you know did it show on the balance sheet our shareholders happy okay that is a good start but you know as you grow higher and higher it's like you know basic education at school is okay college is okay but if we go to the university level it's all about research so highest level of meditation economy spiritual gain and that time you start looking at the whole life very differently you look at it from


whole life very differently you look at it from a detached point of it and real meditator really doesn't care about the worldly benefits even though the worldly benefits would come to them they said it's fine but you know I want to go not just to understand the mind but actually go beyond the mind yeah yeah so I think that the highest stage and then you know that finally everything is a mind game yeah so can you explain this beyond the mind concept okay so I think let's go to the very basics so what is mind mind is a flow of thoughts that is what so much in my energy my spiritual guru is to tell so mind is a flow of thoughts and if there are no thoughts there is no mind hmm but you know people have never actually consciously understood there could be a state of mind where there's no thoughts when the moment there are no thoughts no mind in reality all of us go through it on everyday basis where do we do that sleep no I


everyday basis where do we do that sleep no I would say even go to the X not deep sleep okay so I would say the first is a waking state that we all see the second is you know when we go to sleep but actually we're dreaming so brain is still active your mind is still active exactly but to know that few hours when you're beyond time so you know suppose you are very tired you had a very heavy day heavy workout you just hit the bed and you're gone and you know the moment you get up it's been four hours five hours it's like success that time there is no thought but there have been also times when you sleep but when you are actually imagining things maybe what happened during the day people going to the effects of going through horror images in the mind no that's not atlas mind it is sleep with thoughts your mind is still active and creating things imagining probably yeah so this is still not the state of mind so in fact in the indian literature


of mind so in fact in the indian literature there is a final stage you go beyond the mind it's called Turia our star beyond everything and you know a lot of people who go there don't want to come back because you find this is horrible yeah like you're talking about shadows in the Himalayas and those kind of people absolutely in fact I can tell you a story also about a very well-known saint in modern India it's Sai Baba shielding si everybody so that is the story about him that he once meditated and he told his people okay so I'm going to go into the state of Samadhi and I will come back what is what is Samadhi Samadhi is exactly this particular point where you know it's like you using meditation as a tool it's like when you are going what that sports called you generating pole-vaulting okay so you use the pool but you leave back the pool to go on the other side so use your mind meditation tools when others said you


so use your mind meditation tools when others said you go there you jump over into yeah so this exact you to leave the mind also behind no thoughts so there are a lot of sadhus who can actually do that so when Sai Baba of Shirdi actually did that once and he told is going to go into Samadhi state where I'm and then it'll come back what happened he actually went to that state in the body was absolutely flat and people certainly is dead so the whole discussion that happened among all the people sitting around you know knowledge very bony because you know when the person is dead you may cry but the fact remains that in the body is going to DK and it's going to be harmful for others but this devotee said oh no no no no cyber toll that he's gonna come back it's going to come back in him but it's been a few days now you can't have this but then actually consciously comes back hmm well to another story about how


comes back hmm well to another story about how you go into a samadhi averse time but you have to come back and lot of people have seen this in their experiences so let me you another like Sai Baba we have Ramakrishna Paramahamsa yeah who was the Guru of for Swami Vivekananda so he used to be always in some other stuff and it's not like you know going 1 so it was very difficult to get him back to normal state so there have been recorded experiences so his features go into trance into that level of Samadhi beyond the mind and suddenly used to come back and say you're a school or a school or a school to people so under and is to keep on rasgulla behind it and then people ask Jim Q what is his whole thought you mean you're supposed to be meditating you come back in zero school as guerrilla then he says I'm consciously aware that I'm going to that state but if I go there I mean ever come back but


if I go there I mean ever come back but I have a lot of things to yet to do in this particular world so what I'll do is that only one thought behind which will bring me back so when I'm that state somewhere you know I get conscious you ok what is that one thought because I'm disconnect wrongly or as gula so I'll just come back in the Verrazano school a correct so first is physical level then the spiritual level is for highly evolved souls who understand everything is beyond this mind and beyond this void 100% so I'll give you an example of twenty six-year-old please share your meditation experiences so before I talk about the actual experience I'm going to come to last weekend story I was out with some of my friends and they were all drinking I've stopped drinking since I don't know how long I think two years now and the question to me was why do you not drink so my own you have a child got beer by sir ha ha yes


have a child got beer by sir ha ha yes sir so what's the connection I don't know I I will I will I will tell you this - yes yeah basically they asked me why aren't you drinking and my answer to them was I'm deep into my yoga practice and honestly believe it or not I do feel a high 24/7 without actually taking us off sure because your mind has kind of come down to that level yeah colors are more saturated you know your mind is working way faster than Jung's tube so you've started your meditation practice now all this information I can't exactly explain to them you know in a few sentences so it's like telling I'm already on a high yeah by I don't require this yeah but their immediate response when they listen to me saying no but I'm already on a high is it itself could be you know like they do they don't believe it because they are they've only experienced the high of alcohol or drugs yes so it's difficult


of alcohol or drugs yes so it's difficult to explain to the average person yeah but yours of meditating for four years no it really changes the way you look at the world the way you look at your work so we look at the people around you and more than anything I feel the big change for me has been my internal world has become very calm hmm even if there's like the worst trouble in my life in my work I'm so calm from the inside and all the decisions all the solutions happen in a very calm state of mind but it's happened over time there obviously has been the actual practice of meditation the practice of all these yoga's I'm envious s which is a yoga and trained in advanced meditations advanced yoga's but it's also kind of training your own mind if you see anger rising with a new stop the antrum push it down consciously yeah if you see agitation rising within you you understand they need this is not correct stop the adjutant the


need this is not correct stop the adjutant the awareness is there yeah so the harness has come over time but this begun back in 2015 when we excited by our biceps I was into bodybuilding powerlifting and I'd read that meditation this thing called meditation which I'd never experienced in my life before that it helps in your muscle recovery so that's how I had gotten into it I thought that wow you know something that'll like just help me heal faster so I can get even bigger muscles and I just begun doing uhm chanting back then now the first time I ever read home churning so you sit in one place you close your eyes you breathe in and when you're breathing out you give one loud [Music] you just do that you do it for 20 minutes at some point you know can ask time to open your eyes the first time you open your eyes you look around you see that the floor of your room the roof of your room everything the colors are very saturated


roof of your room everything the colors are very saturated the colors are very intense and you feel a new kind of calm you feel that on that moment you're very happy in that moment you're very peaceful and possibly you also have some answers for your careers are those for business Wow now the longer you meditate the more intense all these experiences are but the key here is again practice eventually I was blessed enough to discover a lot of courses there are the that's the one advantage of live in India which people don't under that we are the spiritual capital of this planet yes and anything you wanna learn about advanced meditation you can learn in this country only yeah only like there are versions of it that you can learn abroad but if you want a Buddhist form yeah a buffet of the purest forms of maybe it's all in this country so I went for initially I went for Reiki course I went for a transcendental meditation course and eventually after doing a bunch of these courses


and eventually after doing a bunch of these courses I found yoga and satsang Society after reading the book called the autobiography of a yogi' book that inspired me to another degree but that was my meditation story and I do feel that meditation changes the biology of your body so eventually of non-wage didn't drink don't do any vices anymore but what is really gifted me with is superhuman abilities for my work too much stamina right fast brain processing power and there's how about studies to back this Stanford studies to back this you actually link them down below read those read how meditation can actually change up the structure of your cerebrum gifts so but my question to you now is can you take us through your meditation story and how it actually helped change your personality your world around ortho today you're considered one the most intellectual people on the planet so what has it done specifically to you on a human level okay thank you for sharing your stories because it's so beautiful to know


for sharing your stories because it's so beautiful to know that it actually habitats the physical and at various levels yes so let me tell you my story I have been almost meditating for the last 30 odd years and because I have been connected which in me assurance virtual organizations since my childhood you know there was a spiritual background to it so my entry was more the spiritual level itself okay so as I told you there are three kinds of people the physical the mental and you know maybe at the spiritual level so I've been really fortunate so in the initial stages you know when I was a child you know you used to go to this child classes in chinmaya mission called as Bal we are okay so it's okay now to sit and meditate so the simple instructions where you know sit down don't be a question marks sit straight and then take TD breaths and oh three times okay okay watch your mind your mind is a monkey can you see it going can you tell him to come back general instruction given


can you tell him to come back general instruction given to a child now that is a starting point but as I grew up you know I started single okay there are different forms of meditation also different schools of thought and there is actually theory which is documented for example Patanjali Yoga Sutras is one of the most fantastic books which talks about meditation and it talks about physical level discipline to be a good yogi or a meditator like like for example Patanjali yoga Sutra actually says that yogaha chitta Liberty so what happens is that if there is what is yoga a state of thoughtless mind hmm so can you achieve that but no it's not possible you know saying that you sit down and it'll be no thoughts citta is your thought has to be eliminated it's not possible day one so what you do is that you actually start at the basic level so yama niyama there are different steps so basically discipline yourself okay can you sit down don't worry about


yourself okay can you sit down don't worry about meditation but maybe as a beginner you just sit down for 10 minutes in the closed eyes you know how to worry about thoughts or no that itself is a discipline then slowly slowly you get into what you said may be eating the right food getting of the right so all these basic things so I started realizing okay there are theories of meditation then my father being a meditator you'd be surprised your father is 82 years old and you meditate for eight hours a day Wow even though and it's the fittest person I've ever seen in the world so father used to actually do a form of meditation is actually we push on our teachers vibrant and Adobe Persian of course the passion is where you have to follow a silence for up to 10 days what he does it for 45 days was not easy so so I have tried that path then actually I have one can we actually talk about it Vipassana absolutely from what had