in your brain all of them controlling each other so if serotonin goes down dopamine goes up certain goes up dopamine comes down but there are these are not the only seesaws there are some seven or eight different neurochemicals all of them controlling each other so when you say you have to be a balanced person you're actually saying all your neural chemicals have to be in balance the dark side of serotonin is that if your serotonin levels are low and you are feeling impulsive what if you what if you feel impulsive towards a negative thing killing someone killing someone killing yourself so they did studies on people who have attempted suicide and they found that the serotonin levels in their body was low they studied their cerebrospinal fluid which is the fluid in the brain and they checked for serotonin molecules and they found it was too low also part of depression so in depression also serotonin levels are low which is why serotonin replacement is one of the cornerstones of depression therapy


replacement is one of the cornerstones of depression therapy you know let's talk about the moment of suicide the moment of doing something dark and impulsive like this it could even apply to things like molestation between the moment you choose to kill someone or yourself you choose to do a wrong thing and the moment that you actually go about doing it there's a phase of contemplation and debate so you're saying that if the serotonin levels are lower than usual that phase where you're contemplating we're trying to equate things we're thinking of the outcome of your actions that phase is very short for people who are impulsive yeah so will serotonin reduce the amount of contemplation you'll do about your outcomes will you just think of the action think of it this way serotonin empowers certain parts of your brain more so they are in the picture we have multiple levels of action so when you say that i did something that is over simplifying it so if somebody lights your foot on fire or if you just step on something


foot on fire or if you just step on something sharp your foot goes back even before you are aware that your foot was on fire so that is a spinal reflex that decision is made by a spinal cord it didn't even come up to your brain and every few levels there is another center of decision making so think of it like a corporate company the ceo doesn't get involved in every decision so the lower level people will only make a lot of decisions and the complexity of the decision goes on increasing and you get involved more and more something like self-harm the ceo has the job of saying no vetoing it because it is the limbic system that does those impulsive things if this will feel good let me do it or forget it there is no hope anymore let me end it the ceo has the job of vetoing it that don't putting logic into putting logic into it because the there is something called as a fronto polar area as per the name it is the pole


polar area as per the name it is the pole of your frontal lobe so absolutely at the tip this area is the one responsible for visualizing the future so when you get when you get asked a question in the hr meeting say like where do you see yourself in five years where do you see yourself in five years that is that uh fronto polar area has the job of visualizing the future or manifestation manifestation and right behind that is an area called ventromedial prefrontal cortex name is complex this is where serotonin works maximum and this area has the job of valuing things you're present focusing on your presence how important is this for you now put these two areas together you visualize yourself in this space in five years how important is that for you put them together and you have hope you are you have having a positive outlook towards life you are optimistic you don't have serotonin whatever is your visualization if you don't have value that visualization has no meaning for you now you have


that visualization has no meaning for you now you have a negative outlook towards you your future and your present are tied in the same way that that tip of your brain which decides the future yes and the part behind that which decides the present are tied they are tied so when you don't have serotonin whatever you visualize will appear bleak which is why they say success begins in the mind if you want to get somewhere in life first you have to believe that yes i will be able to because right now i have this kind of a skill set and it's honestly a spiritual tool i personally used to overcome self-doubt i dealt with a lot of self-doubt battles up to the point where i realized hold on if i've spent four years on the internet constantly growing what stops me from growing for the next 40 years if my trajectory was upwards equated the present set i'll be able to get there and every year after that has been better i had one bad year which


that has been better i had one bad year which is still an upward growth here right but uh it wasn't as crazy growth as before because i was trying to do two businesses instead of just beer biceps but once that second business got stable monk entertainment yeah i was able to put all my energy back into beer visors and then continue growing on like that upward trajectory it is uh very easy to dismiss manifestation or positive thinking the power of positive thinking but at a biological level you need to think positively for the rest of your brain to follow it is just like a corporate if your ceo is a negative person that startup will not run it is this logic ask any ceo and at their group meetings if they don't paint a positive picture it's not going to work it's not going to work so your prefrontal cortex is the ceo you have to be positive so that the rest of your brain follows wow man um why is serotonin secreted when you're cuddling or when you are


secreted when you're cuddling or when you are around your family or around your dog you know why is serotonin linked to that is it this sort of phenomena of you starting to appreciate the present that these are my blessings these are my gifts so does serotonin levels increase because of that and is that why they say that work-life balance is important because when you start enjoying your weekend when you start enjoying your family time you bring back a certain energy to your work is this the biology behind it there is one more hormone since you brought up family which is called oxytocin and oxytocin was initially thought of as only important for women to give birth that was what the initial idea was now you know that oxytocin is important both in men and women in all genders and the idea of oxytocin is bonding a human to human human to human connection or human to dog or human to anything you could even have oxytocin released when you see a favorite picture of yours it


released when you see a favorite picture of yours it is that but it is more for living to living being so even when you look at the picture of a cute puppy that feeling of oh that you get is that puppy tricking your brain into releasing oxytocin so it's like your brain ejaculates with an oil exactly it's your orgasm [Music] [Laughter] anyway go on oxytocin and serotonin are linked they are all linked like how you said the system of the exactly just like how dopamine and serotonin is linked dopamine and oxytocin is linked oxytocin or serotonin we haven't even talked of testosterone but all of these hormones keep each other in balance so when you are spending time with your family oxytocin is released that increases the level of bonding and one important role oxidation has is it reduces your amygdala activation which is your stress yes so the more oxytocin you have going on the less stressed you are because your bonding is there what does


you are because your bonding is there what does oxytocin do to serotonin so those are actually independent networks that uh connect at a couple of places the they have a they are synergistic so it is not like dopamine and serotonin that one goes the one goes down so serotonin has the role of figuring out how much you value this person so who you are cuddling with matters like as an emotional bond rather than just physical yeah that i mean we should we should be careful of not over simplifying things okay but uh the basic idea is what are you giving your value towards that is what roughly serotonin network is responsible in my world especially when i'm talking to my co-founders or my inner circle i keep referring to putting my consciousness on things say if there are four startups i consciously pull out my consciousness out of two of them in phases and i say that right now i'm just gonna focus on beer biceps and level sure uh is that what is


beer biceps and level sure uh is that what is related to serotonin like this is what matters to me in my present that word matters is serotonin okay that you are giving value to something what the other thing you said about consciousness that is your attention network which i'm sure is linked to serotonin in some way it is of course but it is more of dopamine so attention is linked very closely to dopamine because that is what decides should you pay attention to what you're saying should i pay attention to the food if somebody puts and somebody comes and puts a big cake on the table my attention network will get split because my amygdala is telling me that look look there's food so that is all got me i think this is uh it's even heavy for me honestly like all this stuff but um you can take it a lot slower actually no no worries uh i love this bro i'm sure there are people who like especially when i'm challenged on this podcast it it's


when i'm challenged on this podcast it it's the biggest stimulation for me that's my dopamine right say no to it um you know okay so you let's go back to that moment of killing someone or suicide yeah you said that often with people who are dealing with depression or people who are impulsive the serotonin levels are low yeah what is the personality difference in people whose serotonin levels are high or balanced right they're more they're more calculated people they think about everything in their present which probably means they practice gratitude for everything that's there gratitude is a big part of it yes because you have to be able to have that bandwidth to give value to things when you say gratitude when you say i'm so grateful that i have my family with me i will only be grateful if i value my family so if i don't value anything gratitude is a very hard thing to come across so when you say that uh your all your neurochemicals are in place and they're well balanced it


are in place and they're well balanced it means that all these positive virtues are also naturally coming you cannot say to somebody be grateful when they are depressed there is a chemical problem in place that has to be dealt with either through drugs or through therapy usually through both because therapy is also as effective in you know improving your neurochemical state and drugs are also effective so say if someone is when we say clinically depressed or you know biologically going through some form of anxiety panic attacks it's often the case where the serotonin levels are low is there a linkage uh yes so when you talk of depression it is not a simple neurochemical being low depression is actually a big series of events that happen one after the other in your brain in your brain okay where there are actual areas being shrink being shrunk okay so there is an area called as the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex uh the name is not as important as the action the this is the area so when you tap your


the this is the area so when you tap your temple you're basically tapping that area and that is the area that is responsible for your actual output your action and if that is gone you are unable to pay attention you can't focus on things you're not motivated you are not motivated and this sets off a chain reaction because your identity is different you used to identify yourself as somebody who would be a go-getter who can just you know focus on things i used to study so well in school now look at me it is not really your fault when your the parts of your brain that are supposed to do that is not functioning as well then it sets off a chain reaction and then that is what is called as the loop of depression and a micro version of this happens to me every three months again i'm someone who observes uh myself i think it's an outcome of creating these many videos and all that and and also running these many startups i know i'm a workaholic uh what


startups i know i'm a workaholic uh what happens to me is every three months i hit like a wall in terms of creativity and hustle like a creative block i just stopped working wow and i have to go somewhere i have to go and see go out i have to go and see the mountains so i have to go and see another part of india or the world i spend a week or two there and i'm i'm and i'm fine after that i come back and i'm back to working at maximum pace maximum creativity i'm actually in the middle of my peak performance right now but in those phases where i just can't work my podcasts become shittier my work becomes shittier i'm not able to write i'm not able to create this is great insight though that you have that ability to step back and realize that okay this is i'm not going to be functioning at my best right now in layman's terms this is called having systems for your professional life know yourself so


called having systems for your professional life know yourself so well that one you know your strengths and weaknesses and your weaknesses can be covered by your teammates to know your own personal brain systems like i know three months is my mark sometimes in a worst case scenario i can stretch it to four or five months and those four or five months is not peak performance it's 80 performance and in the six month i'm dead like if viraj calls me i say i don't want any brand deals i don't want to do more podcast fortunately in my peak performance what i figured out is if i'm in this peak which i am right now you're my 30th podcast of this month this 31st we recorded one before this yeah um so in my peak i try recording as many podcasts as i can because i know that's my bread and butter podcast are long forms of content i can cut it up into pieces and supply my instagram with that supply everything else with it but podcasts are my main identity so


else with it but podcasts are my main identity so what's your take on burnout for me this is what i just described as burnout bro but it doesn't get worse than this you are able to stop no i don't get back it gets worse i uh um i've i've struggled with self-doubt in the past and that was because of my childhood instances i've spoken about it on the show my whole life is out there uh self-doubt starts creeping up back into my head i'll call up my inner circle and say i don't think i'm capable of doing this i think i'm just like going to fail in life uh it also makes me not just fear the future but fear the present certain levels of imposter syndrome come in in terms of when once i've reached that three month four month mark i start thinking that i've not done anything in life right like uh i'm not where i want to be yeah which is not true dude i am where i want to be but


true dude i am where i want to be but your fresh head is now telling you um then i uh end up like uh losing my temper like you know which and i'm a pretty stable guy i have a good control my anger because of meditation but it can happen uh in that three months post that three-month mark where i tend to get angry or the other thing that happens is i start like sort of bringing my past traumas to the forefront like there is a breakup which i'm not aware it happened a while ago over the girl completely it's not gonna go back but uh the the trauma of that particular breakup those infidelity involved and all that that keeps coming to the forefront i go to goa i wipe out my head i get gratitude for life and i come back to the present moment um i think there are too many joys associated with being single but sometimes if your brain has a lot of gunk in it you start uh highlighting all the small


in it you start uh highlighting all the small negatives and turning them into like larger negatives than they are i had this idea once about how we fall in love with the idea of someone and we are hurt also by the idea of yeah um zakir khan told me this right he had said when i described this particular breakup to him he said that it sounds like you weren't in love with the girl but you were in love with the story which is so true exactly so true exactly couldn't have said it better which is also why trauma works in that way that it's not that girl's picture that is going to trigger stuff it is random things around it some situation that reminded you of that story so it's that idea yeah yeah 100 uh how do i get over the girl i'm over there how do i get over the breakup uh from a neuroscience perspective dude because uh sleep again has been helping me a lot like i feel when they say time heals what they


like i feel when they say time heals what they really mean is constant sleep heals from a neurology perspective enough cycles of neuroplasticity heals yeah yeah yeah okay so basically early on in this episode i spoke about how self-doubt has been a big thing we have had a very like kind of twisted relationship with my dad when i was a kid and there was a lot of daddy issues growing up now it's sorted uh but you know there's this quote which i read when i was a kid when i was like 11 years old 12 years old which had appealed to me a lot it said that the best cowboys always have daddy issues which is so true like you see yeah you see you see most of these hardcore hustlers nowadays all of them have began with daddy shoes girls guys whatever yeah um it's basically your dad saying no you won't be able to do it in life or you know your dad's saying you'll amount to nothing yeah in a in a way


you'll amount to nothing yeah in a in a way your dad is the representative of the initial rebel that you've had you have to go through yeah because he represents the world and what the world should say no to and what the world allows yeah so he's like a placeholder so when you say daddy issues it boils down to that it boils down to your earliest relationship with the strict part of the world and your mom is the comfort part of the world this is what is traditional of course everybody plays different roles now but then so what issues do you think mommy issues creates the idea of what uh comfort means what home means what love means love means what your relationship with your own body means all of that comes from wow man the concept is that there is a biopsychosocial model of identity who you are is decided by these three variables of course this is a very old theory but it still applies for this conversation the bio part is the genetics so whatever your genes are they will play a role


so whatever your genes are they will play a role the problem with racism is that they say that genes is all that decides who you are which is false your genes have one part of the say the second is social so what your environment decides so that is started off with your parents and the people in your house your siblings your earliest friends goes on your college friends your colleagues all of them decide who you are the books that you read and third is you your identity your own free will your own self talk your own self talk so you have 33 percent of say in who you are roughly of course you can make it more you can make it completely you but there are certain things you cannot escape you cannot escape your genes you cannot escape your earliest influences so your parents will obviously have a huge role how do we reach the daddy issues thing i think it was always there in me i went to this conversation doctor said but i will take that uh jive but it's nice i like


take that uh jive but it's nice i like it um i'll tell you a cool kind of uh learning i had in the last three to six months right this was in the second wave of kobe where we all stuck at home uh i have friends who my my closest friend group is spread out all across the world doing incredible things someone's saving a forest somewhere someone's become a harvard professor someone's doing something else uh one of them who's like probably the most uh mature of the friend who is the wise guy in the friend group which is not me okay um i didn't say anything uh that dude daddy should talking this this dude his name is aditya valvi we call him balbi and he knows me inside out since the age of ten okay like i've literally uh he in some ways honestly filled up for the vacuum left by my daddy issues like he's that guy for me since the age of ten and for the entire friend group also because all of us have


the entire friend group also because all of us have daddy issues just by the way that's why we're friends what a strange coincidence but uh this dude asked me what's up and about three to six months back i was in my most intense data phase which actually burnt me out uh before me going to goa and i told him that dude i'm just hustling a lot more than i've ever worked and which is weird because i thought that i'd reach my peak in terms of work output but i've just gone to some other level and he's like so if you go to your core what would you say is motivating you and i said i don't know about i don't know whatever [ __ ] i don't have an answer it used to definitely be my daddy issues up to the point and in the first lockdown i sorted out things with my dad that's it yeah that's a whole other story i i just i sent a message saying sorry man sorry i haven't spoken to you


saying sorry man sorry i haven't spoken to you in a while and all that because i just the first lockdown did certain calming things to me changed me as a person a part of that whole calm was forgiving my dad etc etc so this dude asked me what's motivating you i said i don't know then he said okay what else is up in your personal life and i told him about that breakup which i just told you about where i said that you know i'm over the girl for sure uh but i'm not over the trauma of the breakup and he's like hey man you remember when i just asked you what's motivating you do you realize that it's probably the trauma of that breakup that's motivating you yeah and i said damn didn't think of it and he's like wait forget this understand the fact that in both your phases of your career you've used a negative instance in your life to motivate you so imagine what that says about yourself and i felt like i


what that says about yourself and i felt like i was tripped down naked dude i was like oh yeah oh that's the game i've made for myself these false villains this idea of uh i'll show him or i'll show her yeah that's the that's the key drive and since the last two months three months i've consciously like tried to find other forms of motivation which have not been able to articulate or define completely in my head but i hope that i'm not still motivated by that breakup there's a book there's a series of books called conversations with god and the gist of it is that two things drive you love and fear in biological terms dopamine or amygdala you're either going towards something or you're going away from something and most of the time it is fear if you really think about it if you want to understand somebody ask them ask yourself why did they do that what are they afraid of they will always say that they have done it for dopamine


always say that they have done it for dopamine they've done it to achieve something but what are they running away from most of the time most of what we do we are running away from something so we are eating so that we are because we are afraid of starvation we are afraid of death we want company because we are afraid of loneliness we want to fall in love because again we are afraid of not finding that everything is motivated by fear once you become consciously aware of it and you try to change your behavior towards let's not be rude ruled by fear let's be ruled by love let's be ruled by wanting to do something it you might do the same things but it'll change the way you do it you'll be a little freer on this live therapy session i'm realizing certain things doctor when ronaldo says your love makes me strong but your hate makes me unstoppable it's actually he's running away from criticism exactly you need i i mean in a way if


exactly you need i i mean in a way if you are really aware of it then you're smart nothing wrong in using it nothing wrong in using that as a fuel fine why not because i i feel that while it's great to be spiritual and enlightened and all that it's great to have that as an end goal it's very counterproductive to pretend you are there prematurely yeah 100 you cannot say yes and then just sit at home and do nothing [Music] the true meaning of yes knowing that your identity is also mo maya so if you are going to still continue being ranveer and i have to still continue being siddharth i have to play this out you cannot escape as siddharth so if you're going to be sadat play the game wow yeah i'm trying to find what's motivating me right now dude and it's probably a cocktail of a couple of things one i've consciously taken a lot of financial risk with my startups i'm very confident in where they are going but


i'm very confident in where they are going but it's requiring a certain amount of my consciousness and energy and a part of me starting to think that maybe i took those financial risks to create a false sense of fear for my own brain and probably the second thing is uh since we got the spotify contract i feel we've gone sort of mainstream uh we are on people's phones a lot more in people's eyes a lot more uh and obviously where there is a spike of fame there is also always a spike of hate uh and hate's never affected me since year one year one it had effectively yeah yeah for real not affect me in terms of if there was a hate comment it would literally like bounce off my hand i would like laugh about it but the wave of hate that started to come recently it didn't make me sit down and cry and think that oh i'm not capable it made me go into ronaldo mozing okay come come come now just see what i do going


come come come now just see what i do going forward right it kind of made me more aggressive about my own startups in your year one did you get a lot of hate yeah because you began in fitness right but this is a very hateful industry dude you're talking of positive body image and all that all of that like oh you don't have a body why you like running a fitness channel uh or you don't know you're a kid uh we've doing we've been doing for 20 years how do you know if you say a certain uh thing that you not just believe about fitness but i used to back it up with like studies and all that but if it's against someone's beliefs about fitness then they just hate for example ccaa is not needed if you prove it by science and research but if someone's taking bcaas all their life and spend the savings on bc's yeah it's it's strange how much religion there is in our everyday beliefs everyone has a god they just call it


beliefs everyone has a god they just call it different names absolutely wow is that the first time you said that because it sounds like a quote no no i heard someone say it man so i think someone said it on the podcast if i'm not mistaken that's a beautiful thought because god is again a placeholder for the set of beliefs that you hold that lets you go through life whatever that is and now we have so many gods india is a god because the concept of the country holds a lot of people together we are con together as a country earlier in the in the tribals in the jungle there is nothing so you create stuff so god is a placeholder for all the set of beliefs that allow you to navigate through life that hate thing yeah but which we spoke about that lately that was the ronaldo zone was happening to me that okay i'll show you and you know i'll go and achieve what i want it stopped after go damn i was just calm i have to go out


damn i was just calm i have to go out there oh you're hating man okay that's that's probably why people say don't get a massage just before entering a boxing ring you cannot let your muscles relax if you want to fight you they have to be all tensed up there is a reason why because once your muscles relax i talked about autonomic nervous system there is something called as parasympathetic and sympathetic and this is the basic seesaw this is the seesaw that all of us run by it is the yin and yang concept parasympathetic is what keeps you down keeps you calm keeps your heart rate low keeps your blood pressure low your breathing is soft your skin is normal temperature sympathetic is when if there's a cobra in the room right now all of us will go into sympathetic heart rate shoots up blood pressure shoots up your pupils dilate you want to see more you are breathing faster your muscles get tensed up that is the


faster your muscles get tensed up that is the anxiety level of attention we are all operating on a hyper sympathetic level these days all the time we are always on the edge we are always looking at our phones we are always wondering what is going to happen am i late for something i haven't done that i haven't done this they're always on the edge the more sympathetic overdrive you go into the more your stress levels are so i believe that we are in a pandemic of hypersympathetic states when will this end it will end on individual levels it cannot end as a you know sapka meditation is a great way cold showers are a great way good sleep is a great way of shifting towards parasympathetic wow deep breathing sighing nothing else do you know that you will sigh five times an hour on average just that what you just did we don't realize it but there's a that is a sigh you're expanding your lungs you're slightly shifting your


expanding your lungs you're slightly shifting your sympathetic towards your parasympathetic wow you'll feel a little better you're stressed out all right now what you're a little better your autonomic nervous system has shifted it is all electric man that's crazy dude that's why people need to dive deep into neuroscience there's an insane world out there which is hackable yeah people assume that they are just the way they are and only therapy can rescue them only meditation can rescue them but the truth is there are a lot of these hacks yeah it's all connected meditation therapy they're all connected and the basis of all of it is neuroscience so considering the fact that i have to get lots of views on this podcast of course we got to make it dark again doctor go for it i didn't have the balls to watch this movie but i read about a movie called the father with anthony hopkins and i think you should totally watch it it's your domain yeah it's about alzheimer's


it it's your domain yeah it's about alzheimer's and dementia yeah so the movie is short from the perspective of the person who's going through alzheimer's and dementia so he walks into a room and suddenly it's another timeline he walks into another room and he sees his daughter who's very young at that point but she's actually an adult he gets whacked by his daughter's fiance because he's frustrated of housing uh this person in his house and in the middle of that guy like troubling him and whacking him suddenly he wakes up in a hospital where he thinks the nurse is trying to back him but she's just trying to feed him fool ah then suddenly at the end of the movie he cries and says i want to go back to my mommy and this actually happens in the real world if you've ever had a dementia patient an azimus patient in and around you this happens what is alzheimer's and dementia firstly and this is sort of a very everyday version


and this is sort of a very everyday version of i hate saying it but it's a very everyday version of insanity and then there's also a legitimate insanity which you hear about in shutter island which is which you're about in mental asylum psychosis so maybe beginning this conversation with alzheimer's and dementia could you also take the conversation to overall insanity alzheimer's is a uh is a good place to start understanding identity and memory we don't think about memory too much but memory is what links each moment to the next so when i'm making conversation with you when you tell me something each word is a separate moment like it's like a photograph i have to put all those photographs together for that sentence to make sense i am putting them together because i have memory if i have no memory you're just saying random words and there is no connection between them similarly for days and months all of them will come together to give me a story in alzheimer's the neurons in your brain that


story in alzheimer's the neurons in your brain that are responsible for memory they die in simple words because of chronic stress and uh there is something called as accumulation of toxins inside the neurons and those neurons will die when those neurons die your brain loses its ability to make sense of things it cannot put two and two together and so your reality starts to change we don't uh think about how you know me you know my face you know the story you know my name you can put all this together what if the neurons that connect these three things go away and they lose their connection now you know my face but you don't know my name and you don't know my story but some other story pops into your mind and you think wait maybe this is my brother's friend who's come to borrow money from me oh this is my son from 20 years ago correct he may have a black jacket that black jacket will trigger that memory and those two memories get interlinked and now suddenly you think


two memories get interlinked and now suddenly you think that hey maybe this is my son so then there is a confusion this is what happens in alzheimer's now along with all this your amygdala is still active it is always looking for threats so you see your daughter you know the face but you don't know who that is your amindala is getting activated who is this person in my house he she is a stranger and now you start creating stories to justify it that maybe my relative is trying to come and kill me maybe somebody has hired an assassin to come and put poison into my soup these are all stories that you create to make sense of this weird picture in front of you this is the this is what happens in the last stage of alzheimer's it's a very dark state of developmental situation um yeah and you know again spiritualism does these things to your own head especially if you're studying it you start perceiving the world with a lens of spiritualism um and then i


with a lens of spiritualism um and then i think of things like karma could this person have done such bad stuff in this life or the past life that they have to go through this now this is so much worse than physical injury where you're being mentally injured every second like you're going through trauma every second and you said that the outcome of chronic stresses alzheimer's that means the entire life they've received been very tense about things or they've not had the best state of mind they've not had the best mental health and it ends with this yeah alzheimer's has multiple reasons one of them is familial if there's somebody in your family who has also had it but the important thing to know is we can delay it by taking care of your mental health by taking care of your sleep by taking care of your diet you can push it further you don't not everybody has to go down that road there are certain things that you can do i am not a big believer in karma


do i am not a big believer in karma in the way that it is usually spoken of i believe that we look for reasons because it is important to us if somebody has an accident we look for reasons that you know maybe they were a bad person maybe they did something wrong because that for us completes the story it's how the brain's biology also works yeah we cannot accept that we don't know so when something happens we always need to have an explanation otherwise your amygdala is activating so the idea of not knowing is scarier than knowing a wrong answer so i think that karma is us creating that story there is what i do believe in is scientific cause and effect you spend a whole life sleeping badly the consequences will be there so that caused an effect i do believe in i'm not a fan of spiritual karma i'm not a believer in spiritual karma yeah but what if you're like stressed your entire life and that stress causes you to act up


life and that stress causes you to act up in front of people to act angry with people and it accumulates in a microwave you shout at your maid you shout at your driver eventually when you're old you have to go through two years of alzheimer's to make up for all those people you shouted at or look down one because of your own stress so you're equating that years of shouting and stress with getting alzheimer's possibly i'm not i'm not saying that's what it is but to say that you got alzheimer's because you shouted is not scientific but what chronic stress does is it increases the chances of inflammation so what is much more likely is getting high blood pressure and getting a stroke getting a blood clot in your brain getting a blood clot in your heart getting a heart attack all those are actually much more related with chronic stress so in a way karma does pay off you do get something in return for everything that you do but uh it is not related to a higher


do but uh it is not related to a higher power or okay what about like proper insanity like what happens there when you uh the initial word was madness this person has gone mad now you know that there are so many different reasons why somebody can misunderstand the world what you said shutter island the example that you'd given us that person is unable to understand if he or she is in a prison or is he in a hospital is somebody there not there another example was beautiful mind yeah oh my god about john nash the mathematician the mathematician so that was all on schizophrenia so these are different examples of people's brain being unable to cope with the environment and just creating stories by themselves in alzheimer's that doesn't happen so much there is no hallucination now the difference in alzheimer's and schizophrenia is that in schizophrenia you create things even if it's not there i will imagine somebody standing next to me because in my story it is important that somebody is there but


my story it is important that somebody is there but in alzheimer's i will see you and i will change your story um schizophrenia what you explained is the brain starts creating people maybe characters maybe ghosts around you yeah um biologically again what's happening auditory and visual hallucinations that is you create sounds and you create things that you see there are areas of the brain so if you tap the back of your head that is the occipital lobe that is where everything visual is coming from which is why your vision becomes blurry if you if you if you hit the back of your head it can so everything that you're seeing is going here but this area of the brain if it's suppose it starts firing by itself the images can come either from outside your eyes or it can come from within similarly for sounds there is an area here in the temporal lobe that is supposed to have the job of understanding outside sounds it is not supposed to create sounds so voices music people hear entire conversations people hear


so voices music people hear entire conversations people hear whispers that somebody is here somebody's talking they will see things initially they may start seeing lizards on the wall random shapes objects circles floating somewhere then they will start seeing more and more formed an entire dog an entire human being then they might start seeing entire storylines playing out in front of them just depends on how much the brain has lost control over itself because all these neurons are actually kept under very strict control you can just imagine imagine having one billion employees in your company and think of the kind of control you need to make sure that everybody is functioning as per company policy which is what your prefrontal cortex has to do somewhere if something goes wrong if some employee goes rogue you need to have the system in place to make sure that they are found and removed quickly or trained or retrained all mental health disorders are basically when this system collapses how do you treat something like that as a doctor it is


you treat something like that as a doctor it is difficult so schizophrenia and psychosis they all come under the field called psychiatry so as a neurologist i do not treat them but the way to do it is roughly into two sections one is pharmacological you go in with drugs you change the levels of the chemicals that we discussed like serotonin like dopamine and you try to bring them back as close to normal as possible and the other is cognitive behavioral therapy so you try and use whichever parts of the brain are not damaged you try and use it to your advantage and you try to make the brain correct itself like i'm assuming that's what john nash did in a beautiful mind because he hallucinated for the rest of his life but he made peace with his hallucinations in a way yeah so there are cognitive behavioral therapies for all mental health problems and you are essentially using the parts of the brain that are okay to treat the parts of the brain that are not


to treat the parts of the brain that are not so it's kind of like self-help but guided bro um there's this whole anti-vaxxers thing going on in the u.s where people are saying no to vaccines and all that um you know and i i'm all for vaccines i'm not defending anti-vaxxers at all my issue is with the uh polar nature of opinions you know where if you've seen social dilemma right like and that's what's happening especially in the usa like if we think that india's left-wing versus writing you should go and see how intense they are yeah in terms of they are bracketed into two parts of society and the anti-vaxxers hate like the people all for vaccines the people all for vaccines may not even know signs in detail but if someone's an anti-wax so they'll make other assumptions about them i hear this from my friends who are in the u.s how they perceive anti-axes anti-wax was definitely uh idiots for putting


anti-wax was definitely uh idiots for putting out the idea as much as they do but i feel even the people who all for vaccines when they look down on all aspects of an anti-vaxxer's mind are also kind of being it is because it is counterproductive we when somebody comes to if somebody were to come to me and say they don't believe in vaccines the point is not to prove my morals of moral superiority over them yeah that's what it is correct so we tend to play the short game let me ignore you let me cancel you so that i feel good but what does that help we are not winning the game that way we need to make sure that everybody is educated the problem is that we equate everybody in the same bracket yeah somebody who says vaccines are going to kill us all and somebody who says can you tell me a little bit more about the vaccine because i have some concerns are both bracketed as an anti-vaxxer that is


both bracketed as an anti-vaxxer that is very unfair i feel that the one area where liberal thought is going to lose is because we will club all moderator moderate thinkers also as extreme right and actually it works both ways now or both extremes will reject the center and whichever one rejects it more strongly will push the center towards the other side yeah yeah 100 nuance has no place anymore in the conversation which is what's happening to uh myself and a lot of other influencers who are not aligned but uh depending on our content people assume that we are a part of a certain wing but yeah because black and white is very comfortable to the brain it requires less energy you don't have to think about nuances we don't have to think about small areas where i disagree with 30 of what you're saying but i agree with 70 this requires you to calculate probability which requires you to calculate percentages much easier to say you're 100 [ __ ] yeah or you're 100 god yeah


100 [ __ ] yeah or you're 100 god yeah yeah so so easy right it's so clear-cut so then i can go ahead with my life the reason i brought up this whole anti-vaxxers versus uh vaccine aficionados by aficionado aficionados vibe it was because um now again i'm asking a doctor this i'm coming from a place of inquiry and not a place of attack uh but is it true that a lot of people who prescribed antidepressants don't really maybe need the antidepressant and if that is the case especially with children who are said oh you have adhd then it's probably just a very active child like i've heard some of my fitness coaches saying this yeah that one of the kids was a very active kid and they took him to a uh i don't know whether it was a psychiatrist or a psychologist or a neurologist but that particular professional prescribed intense antidepressants to the kid to calm him down and eventually that coach put the kid into sports and that kid


that coach put the kid into sports and that kid is flourishing in sports and he's become a karma kid uh so that coach's argument was very anti-antidepressant but what is the deal with antidepressants what does it biologically do to your head and do people really need them so anti-depressants have have saved too many lives now for that argument to be valid anymore that is it needed or not the only problem is that with any new technology you need to know where to draw the line so just like say guns all right they were used to fight wars they were required to maintain peace in an area but have everybody having guns probably not a good idea the risk of something going wrong is definitely there similarly for antidepressants if somebody is having acute depression if they are under uh danger of committing suicide of course it is the one thing that will save their lives i'm assuming this is related to our previous conversation about serotonin i'm assuming that the antidepressant does something to your serotonin levels


that the antidepressant does something to your serotonin levels so serotonin a lot of the antidepressants now act on increasing the serotonin levels in the brain so that there's a hormonal balance and therefore instead of being an impulsive human being you become a slightly more balanced uh calculated human yes and you also value things more you value what you have that whole gratitude thing that you mentioned also comes with this but children by their nature of being young are automatically impulsive you see a fire and you want to put your hand into it to see what is the cute orange thing and then you realize through experience i'm not supposed to do that if you give an antidepressant to a kid who probably just needs maturity years experiences sport so we are talking about uh children who have some psychiatric problem versus children who just have extremes and personality so this is the difference that we all none of us are the same you cannot point at anybody and say this person is normal there's no such thing we


say this person is normal there's no such thing we all have a moments of extreme anger we all have moments of extreme sadness and our personalities are on all on a spectrum the problem is that is that person functional are they able to discharge their everyday activities their duties if it's a student can he or she play as other kids can he or she study it like other kids and are they able to go ahead in life if they can't then it is a pathological problem then it is something that we have to intervene now how we intervene depends on how severe that condition is so for example i'll give you uh an example from neurology migraine a lot of people have migraine not every migraine patient requires drugs because a lot of times the migraines are triggered by sunlight or by stress by fighting with their husband or wife or just kids screaming in the house you identify the trigger remove the trigger teach them meditation teach them importance of proper sleep and


them meditation teach them importance of proper sleep and their migraine goes away it is easier to just prescribe a drug but not everybody needs it but if somebody comes to me with acute migraine they are crying they have they have had sleeplessness for one week i will prescribe a medicine because that's what the medicine is for but you have to know what to prescribe where i will definitely say this that the pharma industry has a big role to play in how decisions are taken by doctors in the last 50 hundred years a lot of research has been sponsored by pharma and a lot of protocols are in place because of the way those research is conduct that research is conducted that being said again this is where the nuance comes in that if a particular kid has been treated with antidepressants and he or she did not need it that does not mean that antidepressants are bad that means that that particular case was mishandled yeah i'd also like to highlight something uh you know we see


also like to highlight something uh you know we see so many uh cases of violence against doctors and people assuming doctors out there to make money you're from a family of doctors i'm from family of doctors we know the inside story uh all doctors always have good intention with patients like when they see someone who's going through something the first instinct of a doctor is let me help let me see what i can do what i will say is that what i have observed is that there are agile doctors and doctors which may not be as agile in terms of modern day outlooks and things like you're a younger doctor i remember before the camera started rolling i asked you what you think about ayahuasca you said i'm all for it but maybe an older doctor who's kind of stuck in their ways doesn't look at life that way and maybe a part of being that stuck non-agile as you like you're an agile person maybe they're not at your level of agility in terms of learning in terms


your level of agility in terms of learning in terms of absorbing new information that might cause decisions like that which are not nuanced giving a kid who may not actually need antidepressants depression and then that one action kind of paints a bad picture for all doctors in society because it's that whole black and white thing again all anti-vaxxers are bad all waxes are good it's again all kids with adhd treat them with medicine so it takes more effort and doctors are also people and just like any other group there will be a spectrum where there will be some people who are more open to taking each person case by case and there'll be some people who say migraine treat god right so that is definitely there when you talk of medical health i one thing i would really like to say is that we need to talk about the importance of communication in doctors because our medical education is primarily focused on drugs all the the way our textbook is written is you talk about the disease you


is written is you talk about the disease you talk about why it happened and you talk of the drugs that you can give it and in the end there are a couple of paragraphs on diet and sleep okay okay this helps how does it help what does it do that part isn't covered so there is a generation of doctors that come out thinking that of course we have to give medicines what else is there because that is what we are taught so i feel that there is a lacunae involved in incorporating holistic medicine into our clinical practice but that is 100 of change that is going to happen in the next 10 20 years yeah i don't know what it is but uh i've seen that all the young doctors have spoken to it by young i mean under the age of 45 ish they have a different thought process as compared to the older doctors i don't know why that is i'm assuming it's something in the education it is uh we i feel that we are more open to


uh we i feel that we are more open to thinking that let's just save the patient let's just help them in whatever way we can so if i feel that meditation will help somebody if somebody is taking homeopathy for example i personally have no experience in homeopathy but if somebody is coming to me and saying that they have had benefit i will never tell them that i don't believe in this that's not the point my duty as a doctor is to just make sure that their physical parameters are all okay they're mentally they are fine they're not being tricked into anything harmful and that's it um you know okay fine for the final part of this podcast where we're talking about uh insanity or you know uh just things going extremely wrong with your brain what do you think is the first step in that direction and i'll tell you why i say this it's because of all these podcasts i've been recording uh where things are so heavy you're my 31st podcast of the month dude


you're my 31st podcast of the month dude and every conversation has been almost this heavy sometimes i feel like i'm going through that uh situation the therapists go through but they sometimes absorb the darkness of the person as well so with this conversation there's not much darkness other than what we just spoke about in terms of but there's none of your darkness as doctor said i'm not asking about your life i often have to ask people who've been tortured who've gone through things who've gone through animal attacks who've gone through all sorts of things yeah uh and it ends up leaving me very stimulated post the podcast but then thoughts stay in my head a day or two after it now there are positive outcomes to podcasting for the podcaster which is that you're reading a book 30 times in a month correct a new heavy beautiful book because the best teachers are other people's life experiences not just written text the downside is that sometimes it gets too heavy and i have been questioning myself about


too heavy and i have been questioning myself about my sanity in terms of i'm just thinking so much about so many things empathy is a [ __ ] yeah yeah and uh again i'm not trying to make this uh what's the word for it the hero complex you know where you think the whole world revolves around you but i have been feeling that i have been contemplating on what podcasting has been doing to my head it's definitely making me a very interesting person because i know about multiple topics but it's making me think way too much and my friends have told me do you become a very intense person it's also part of the reason i can't go back to that goal because i feel like she won't be able to keep up with it with this person but i have become a very intense person in terms of my thoughts when when the brain decided to evolve and learn it realized that it cannot go through every experience by itself so the best way to get better and better is


so the best way to get better and better is to make sure that you're learning from other people so if somebody falls into a ditch and breaks their bone you don't have to break your bone to realize what it feels like just seeing their face and hearing their cries and your brain already creates the impression of what that pain is like this is what empathy is so we feel like empathy is a very goody goody moral virtuous thing but it is actually a very sensible efficient way for your brain to learn so when you're doing podcast and you're listening to us you as an empathetic person you are absorbing everything but we cannot absorb things and keep them at a distance at the same time so if you absorb a story of trauma it is going to be traumatic because you are empathetic so you take it in visualize it feel it and that is how you learn so that is the downside everything has a downside and every negative thing has an upside so the downside


every negative thing has an upside so the downside of empathy is that there's something called as trauma dumping i don't know if you've heard this term it means if i'm coming to you and i'm sitting and you're like hey tell me how you are and i just started telling you that man my girlfriend left me she i was in an abusive relationship this was going on for the last one month i'm in so much pain maybe you are not in a mental state to hear all that so i have to take consent from you first like bro are you in a position to listen to all my trauma but as a podcaster you have left yourself open you have actually left yourself vulnerable to everybody's life stories i also feel the difference between the listeners experience and the podcasters experiences i have to do 30 episodes in a month you guys have to listen to 30 episodes over 15 weeks so you get time off the podcast you do other [ __ ] in the day yeah you spend


other [ __ ] in the day yeah you spend time with your family i'm just doing this which makes me really smart and it gives me unlimited content it also [ __ ] me up when you when you when you go to sleep at night does does the conversation play back there's something called yoga nadra it's called relaxation techniques which human speaks about actually uh relaxation techniques have saved my hair so what do you do it's an elaborate breathing uh sort of it's half paranayam half tightening your muscles and relaxing them in a certain pattern which is technical um now what that effectively does is it flushes your mind and your body of your daily thoughts and emotions the spiritual angle is that you you turn your attention towards god or the universe or light or goodness whatever you want to call it away from your body yeah so the spiritual school i'm from talks about the human body's like sort of a light bulb and in the same way that we talk about


bulb and in the same way that we talk about electricity and chemicals flowing through your nervous system yeah uh even that electricity and those chemicals flowing through your nervous system are made up of something what are the building blocks for that right so spirituality calls that cosmic energy so they compare the human body to a light bulb and they say that um if i'm playing football there's a lot of electricity going through that light bulb if i'm giving an exam a lot of electricity going through that light bulb if i'm doing this a lot of electricity going through that light bulb um if i'm just having a casual conversation a little less yeah if i am sleeping but my head is heavy with thoughts i have an exam the next day i am thinking a lot about something happening in my family some relative is unwell um it's not like the entire electricity leaves the light bulb you go to sleep with a light bulb that's half on when you meditate and you reach a


half on when you meditate and you reach a very deep level of calm even then your entire light is not off there is a small part of your light that's on yeah but when we hear of things like have you heard of samadhi and meditation but they say your soul leaves the body yeah that's where the electricity uh leaves the light bulb completely but you're not dead right the electricity can come back and then that's higher forms of yoga and meditation that's what we work towards in spiritualism that we try getting to higher degrees of meditation but can i reach that state of calm can i go into that state of transcendence that's what it's called now what relaxation techniques do is that it helps your brain polish up the process of flushing out you're not emptying all the electricity from the light bulb but what you're doing is your help you're flushing out a lot of it which improves the process of flushing it out for your long-term future so


of flushing it out for your long-term future so you're working the muscle of flushing out the electricity every time relaxing and the short-term version of this is you forget a lot of the traumas you absorbed in the day so every night i'll go to sleep thinking of god purely because of the relaxation techniques um and i'm able to take all that electricity and just focus on god focus it on the universe and it gets easier i'm guessing like every day it depends on what's happening in your work life your habits your meditation lot of things man but it's a it's a healthy practice to have and yoga nidra is the kind of mainstream spoken about version of relaxation techniques that's what it is yeah it's it's thoughtful dude um so i have been i've not been meditating as much as i like for the last six months because i've just been in a deep startup zone and that's honestly a big reason i've been feeling not in the best mental shape


i've been feeling not in the best mental shape i have been feeling okay lately but maybe before go on i was wrecked man like i i legit thought i was becoming insane and um definitely the burnout creating voices in your head you're still undergoing therapy not really but after the vacation and after talking in my inner circle i also have one spiritual mentor i speak to this beautiful lady who's helped me a lot uh it i count that as therapy because she asked me the right questions again and she's a doctor so she comes from a place of science uh but she asks me the right spiritual questions um i i think if i was burnt out right now and i'm not at all burned or i'm in like but uh if i was burnt out by the end of this month it is what september in september yeah uh so from august 15 to about september 15th i've recorded 31 32 podcasts almost and i in a bad state of mind i would have thought


in a bad state of mind i would have thought i'm going crazy just because of hans dalar who lived in the jungle for 12 years alone he's told me about a tiger this up close and personal someone else is [ __ ] kidnapped by pirates someone else who's been a colonel during the cargill war and seen as men die so someone else who has you know become a shaolin warrior monk but all the practice he had to put himself through to become that warrior so just too many angles and i know at least i believe the system for me here is switching off from podcasting for some time for so next month october 15th onwards till probably december i'm taking an off and right now stocked up till the end of november and i understand december also will get done yeah because stories take a toll um even uh just watching watching movies one after the other [ __ ] yeah that has the same effect yeah and uh i've seen your podcast and


effect yeah and uh i've seen your podcast and all the guests are very visual in the way they present their stories so it is literally like you are watching intense movies every day yeah dude um which has kind of made me look for content that's not movies and that's not youtube which has turned into my love for sports which is reignited just so much novelty and sports dude it's so different from how excited are you for ronaldo to be back in you god bro like it's it's like you're seeing your childhood hero dude absolutely it's a huge reason i work hard like myself you know reading about them seeing his interviews since the time i'm [ __ ] nine years old yeah i fell in love with manu when we had the trifecta going off rooney terrace and 100 and when i started yeah and you know all three are really hard-working players man that's what we don't understand about sports um at this stage with all these startups going on there's definitely multiple skill


all these startups going on there's definitely multiple skill sets that come into play to grow businesses and to take your career ahead a very underrated and underappreciated aspects of aspect of um growth in life is your experiences you had when you were a kid especially the positive experiences which have created certain thought processes all my co-founders have grown up watching football cricket basketball and that's why they have a sense of teamwork they have a sense of humility they have a sense of hard work they have a sense of uh creativity sometimes you don't take that risk sometimes throw that through ball that may not hit your teammate and that's the real kind of edge i believe monk entertainment has beer by substance we we try uh growing with people who either played sports or watch sports and have also seen the flip side where if we have worked with someone who's not played sports and not watch sports we have to put them through a certain extra level of education and tell them what do this is what


of education and tell them what do this is what teamwork is because the metaphors don't work as well exactly when you say that i i see a through pass here somebody who's not played football will not know what that means yeah yeah it's very interesting how metaphors actually define your thinking it's not just to communicate with somebody else it's also identity so if when you talk to a chess player they will talk about their everyday life from the concept of a chessboard that i made my move this looks like a bad position i will i'll sacrifice this for now but then later on i'll have compensation the the way that life arranges itself you can arrange your life in any way you can it is free for all you think that this has a structure but your brain has created the structure you can create the structure into anything you can turn it into anything somebody who's a pool player will see everything as color and pockets to put it into and angles and balls so football player will see everything


and angles and balls so football player will see everything in terms of okay let's arrange ourselves this way yeah yeah that's what's been happening bro football saved me from like a very dark place in my life multiple times playing football and watching yeah watching as a teenager you know picked you out of the teenage darkness playing as an adult um where it lets you be a kid again it lets you look at life and work in a certain way unless you forget it it is a form of meditation right because you're kind of putting your consciousness into that one feeling one thing one ball dude sports is a game changer as an adult that's what more adults need to understand kids know adults need to discover one sport yeah kids know but adults appreciate when they are playing because you you don't uh you could be in the worst mindset when you start playing but then you are basically substituting all the stressors of your life into stressors on the field and somehow stresses on the field


on the field and somehow stresses on the field are more easily dealt with you can run past a stressor yeah you can score against a stressor and at its core all these intense problems of the mind that we spoke about going forward so much of it can be fixed with a good lifestyle a clean sense of being a clean sense of living sports healthy eating healthy content yeah all these things add up in the long term man um and i want to ask you something sure how much do you think um the idea of finances in your everyday conversation in your thinking the minute you talk of finances does it come in the way of artistic thought or does it boost artistic thought there was a big phase in my life because the person was dating at that time and the people around me and my own childhood where i used to perceive money as money okay where if you're getting paid 10 000 rupees for something your perception of it is a massive stack of coins that's coming your way and you can get


of coins that's coming your way and you can get to keep it right the visualization and perception of money changed eventually in life again because of spirituality which highlights money as just energy money is a return of energy to your life why are you getting paid as a youtuber i've sustained my career for six years when people fade away in one or two and that's because the core of my content has always been put out as much value as you can if i want i can just talk about [ __ ] to you and put it out in a podcast but i talk about something that people will be able to take away because that's a form of putting value yeah i'm not getting paid for this podcast in any form other than the spotify contract but i know that long term the value i'm putting out will come back as money and this is the cycle i've seen always so when i got into that habit of making money especially when we were beginning to make big money in life i got into this


to make big money in life i got into this habit of hoarding money yeah and eventually spirituality helped me realize that money is a bounce back of value and you've got to keep energy flowing so if you're making money you also got to say okay here's this money let's flow some into my savings and my portfolio and let's make the rest of it flow into making more money let it flow into other people's lives even the value you put into your team's life is going to come back if you've helped someone kind of elevate their lifestyle or their family's life blessings value is going to come back to you and the more you give as long as you're working hard i feel like the more you get yeah i had a vision once in my on a very deep meditation way back which which flipped things for me so i was bootstrapping this is like even before viraj came into my life it was just rajas my first uh team member and i had to give him a raise at


member and i had to give him a raise at a certain point uh but giving him a raise was very crucial for me to retain him as a team member and at the same time i really wanted to give him a raise but i had to unlearn this thing of holding money okay or thinking that no i'll need this money for the future for a rough time and i got a vision in my meditation that uh god or light came to me and said that the more you give to the people behind you the more i'll give you in order to support more people behind you so switch this and that was a seed of thought behind later reading about the spiritual aspect of money yeah so we ended i ended up giving him a raise and at the same time we got three brand deals harmless and i was like what the [ __ ] is happening here the next week we got three time deals and this is when we didn't get brandies all the time yeah and it's just been a


all the time yeah and it's just been a cycle of that if someone's performing giving me their all and i have team chemistry with them they'll get paid but the long-term vision is that we need to build generational wealth for like an entire team wow which is only gonna get built if we're all very in it which is gonna get built through the football players of the world teamwork hard work all that it'll come man like this is also how i woke myself down i'm sorry i'm making this about me but i'm just like yeah i wanted to do it um [Music] i overcame self-doubt by point a to point b to point c mentalities where if you've reached point b in terms of material growth success fame money and you think you're not gonna get a point c just know that it's taken you a certain mind chemistry and physical chemistry to get from even a to b and you have that mind chemistry and physical chemistry inside so you'll be able to get to c and d


so you'll be able to get to c and d and z yeah i've been uh thinking of how everything is give and take in and out that flow of to and fro cannot be escaped it holds true for the most basic of things starting from your breathing you can't hold your breath you'll die you have to exhale and then you have to inhale again exhale again eating is the same thing it is a cycle of energy intake and output to build your muscles you have to spend energy get energy spend energy get in every time you talk of growth you are actually talking of intake and output so our thinking when it comes to money when it comes to friends when it comes to content even when it comes to ideas when i used to when i was a kid i started poetry and i when i got a good idea i would think let me keep this idea for another day when i would think of when i can convert it into something much better let's not waste that idea on a small


better let's not waste that idea on a small poem somewhere but then i realized that if you don't use it right then and there you're not going to get better ideas later so whatever you want to do do it put stuff out into the universe for you for you to get more because that nothing is worse than clutter why are you doing what you're doing now dude maybe the same mentality of writing poetry as a kid like you were expressing your creativity in poems now you're expressing your creativity through your content yeah and and i'm sure there have been other doctors in the past who've seen corner creators and thought i can do this because i have content in my head there's not too many who actually did it yeah so your impulsiveness and your execution did but why are you doing what you're doing for the simple reason that i have stuff to say and i feel that whatever you have to say should be said now this is true for a global stage for content creation it's also true


for a global stage for content creation it's also true for your relationships it's true for your friendships if you have something to say say it if you have something to express express it because that is how you grow you think that expressing it is for somebody else is good but it's not you're doing it for yourself if i don't say all this how do i get the next set of thoughts because we are not done i i don't know everything but whatever i do know if i don't teach i will not learn simple as that you know man because i have two parts of my life just like yourself you have your medicine and your content creation i have startups and i have content creation yeah okay and my week is pretty much divided now into okay this is the day for startups is the day for content creation saturdays are always for startups and if viraj brings some content creation work or my team brings some configuration work i don't like it and they know i don't like it where it because


and they know i don't like it where it because it changes up my day today's a saturday when we're recording this yeah and we're creating content i woke up in the morning with excitement because i was getting to talk to you i was like [ __ ] this [ __ ] today [ __ ] these schedules not gonna do startup work i'm gonna learn today and create content really so i'm damn grateful that you came in today dude like after a very long time i've been this excited about this all the guests we've had lately are incredible yeah but today excited me and uh this is just the second recording we're doing so i'm looking forward to see the next 20 million ones we do thanks for being on the show bro thank you for having me we move on to the next one done that was the super heavy episode for you guys today with this particular episode we even contemplated splitting it up into two episodes rather than just throwing this heavy atom bomb of knowledge at


than just throwing this heavy atom bomb of knowledge at the audience i'd actually love to know from you guys tell me in the comments tell me on our social media handles do you guys like 45 minute ish episodes or should we keep the podcast this long and juicy let us know because from an algorithmic perspective shorter episodes always do better but it's the longer episodes where you find the real meat the real diamonds the real wisdom remember to follow the renovation spotify every episode available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world and now that you've listened to this podcast this point probably says that you're really into my content thank you firstly secondly this was an unasked for sort of self therapy session from me dr said wario's a neurologist he's not a psychiatrist he's not a psychologist but he knows so much about the human mind's hardware that he ends up knowing a lot about the software so this particular conversation actually helped me heal a lot


this particular conversation actually helped me heal a lot of things inside me because that's what therapy is right you listen to your therapist you apply the things that they say you get to know yourself even deeper you get to know how your mind works and then wherever you can mold it into a more positive version of itself you try doing that that's why this episode will always be very special to me it helped heal me through the medium of science and i hope you enjoyed this very deep very heart-to-heart conversation of the rendition [Music]


a man who's lived alone in the jungle for 12 years that's the reality of the wildlife conservationist hans dalal who we've already hosted on the hindi podcast but guys this one was a free-flowing conversation about animals about the subject of zoology about ancient animals about dinosaurs about all sorts of things that walk on four legs and sometimes two sort of philosophical sort of adventurous and of course because of hans bhai a lot of fun on this episode if you enjoyed the hindi podcast you'll enjoy this 10x as much as returns on the ranvi show so make sure you follow the runway show on spotify we're spotify exclusive which means that every episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world speaking about animals is my favorite subject and i hope that you guys enjoy this conversation as much as i enjoyed creating it enjoy hans dalal on the ranvi show once again [Music] wildlife conservationist former sound engineer you saw a


wildlife conservationist former sound engineer you saw a tiger in a jungle once and you said no i ain't living in the city i'm going to the jungle i'm going to go save some tigers you've lived in the jungle alone for 12 years my brother yeah it's been 12 years how does it feel dude so you know when we put out a question a questionnaire or a question-based tweet send in questions for hans people have seen your hindi podcast yeah and one of the questions was how do you poop and pee in the forest like where does the poop and pee go it is a poop and pee like uh like so it's it goes like any any farm or outdoor facility even cities actually nowadays are getting into this thing called a septic tank so you basically you build you dig you dig a hole in the ground and you you you make a brick wall on four sides keep the bottom open only and you put a slab on top and then your pipe goes into that


on top and then your pipe goes into that under the gas pipe so everything all your that all your basically your wc out goes and connects into that and then all the liquid goes in the ground and over yours that collects it because when you are you there's this you cannot use that actually because the food we eat is so chemically induced really so you do call one of those i but it fails it takes 25 30 years to fill up okay so after 30 years you know once you come to the machine at the back of a truck and they suck it out and go and dispose it off properly where it's a government the government guides you to call the local municipality and they come and they take it and they take it to the recycling facility or whatever it is for your so i'm sure this question didn't come in anything you're just curious about it i'm always curious about you i am okay dude so you have lived alone in the jungle for 12 years uh recently you


in the jungle for 12 years uh recently you made this house deep inside the jungle kind of far away from everyone else it's not it's it's not deep inside the cause it's in the buffer zone yeah well it's in the buffer zone which is the tiger reserve and the closest city is like 30 kilometers away but there are small tribal villages around where i live also this village is about a kilometer and a half away okay but there are also tigers right outside your house yeah like tigers leopards bears not right outside like they roam around in the area sometimes they come outside sometimes they come at the back sometimes sign me up have you seen battles between animals like i've seen a bear going up against a tiger no i've not seen a bear going up against a tiger i've seen tigers like going for tigers and i've never seen bears with a tiger even though people have seen it a lot yeah like it happens quite often um like there's this one tiger who used


often um like there's this one tiger who used to live in tadoba now he's moved out of the forest he's living in protected forests outside tarubani territorial forest his name one people say that he's about 16 between 16 and 18 years old and like last year during the lockdown there was there there was news that he had killed a sloth by and eaten it wow at 19 years old a tiger is like old tigers usually live like 13 14 years in the night and he's still going strong man which is amazing bro like these uh wild animals especially at the top of the food chain yeah like be it or tiger or a lion in africa i know you've traveled in africa and that's going to be a whole section on this podcast but these uh apex predators what happens to them when they get old does something eat them as well uh no like tigers usually just die of old age like either the canines wear all or they can't hunt and then they just they just die


they can't hunt and then they just they just die of starvation most of the time all natural causes like if they're injured even then they can't hunt so then they'll die of an infection or something like that and usually like when a tiger gets old right a younger tiger comes into the territory and pushes them out and that's the law of nature like stronger tiger will come in and take over the older titans so the older diagonals start moving away from the cord to out towards the fringes of the forest and then they go there and then they die your natural causes like starvation or whatever what's the closest encounter to a tiger that you had and just be candid about this oh dude very close what had happened like once we i was helping the forest department tracker conflict tiger the tiger killed like seven people man-eating title no i won't say man eating tiger because it's a wrong statement to call a tiger manager because 90 percent 90 95 98 of the time


manager because 90 percent 90 95 98 of the time a tiger when it kills a person it doesn't eat anything actually that i have noticed like whatever human kills that have happened and i that i've read about or i have seen or i have helped out in ninety five percent of the time the tiger doesn't eat the human mm-hmm so the correct term for these tigers is conflict types of society okay because they are part of human bodily conflict but they're not maritals because they've not eaten they've just killed and there are reasons for that also like sometimes like the tigers walking in the jungle and suddenly the human comes out around the bend so the tiger also gets startled so it'll attack in the self you know formal self defense in a reaction form yeah in a reaction form or like sometimes like you know when then humans squat like a lot of times villagers go in the forest to cut collect forest produce like tendu leaves mahwah flowers which grow in the forest


leaves mahwah flowers which grow in the forest so they're going to collect those so they squat down and pick up stuff and against the light uh british people like tribals are like small built they're skinny and when they squat they look like a silhouette of a langur sometimes which comes on the tiger's prey list like it's one of the tigers yeah it's one of the titles foods so many of the times mistaken identity or surprise which is why they kill and that's that's why they don't eat because we are not on their menu actually do you think we don't taste good i don't know man like why do you why do you think they don't eat us like i don't know like if you go if you see like if i have seen like animal postmortems and human post-mortem and i know this is gonna get a little disgusting go for it but when you cut an animal open like even a goat for example when you go to the butcher shop and you cut the


you go to the butcher shop and you cut the goat if you see the mussels then you buy the meat it's red it's bright red the meat right when it's cut but when you cut a human open our muscle is brown it's like brownish it's like maroon is brown so i guess i guess there's something to do with that maybe i'm not sure i've never eaten there are very few cases of killer whales actually attacking humans yes and the reason that people assume is that we have very little flesh on us so if they go to eat us they'll also have a lot of our bones our ribcage yeah that's another thing with tigers and tigers also like tigers pray is like sambar deer which is like 300 kilos or a go or an indian gore which is the indian bison which is like 800 900 000 kilos the smallest prey they go for the spotted deer which is also like a good 200 250 kilos or a wild boar which are huge so they


or a wild boar which are huge so they need very large spray because eating us means most when they kill us if you take our bones in all of the entire diet it's just them out but they don't eat what do you get [Music] you get fat also in that so the actual fresh will be like hardly like i don't know 10 12 kilos um to go through all the effort of stalking you and hunting you and all i don't think it's worth it bro so uh you've heard of mega for nana mega foreign between the time dinosaurs and humans existed on the earth but there was a long phase of no dinosaurs and no humans no humans yeah yeah so what was there in this phase was the saber toots and all those mammoths mammoths but the yeah but it's called mega fauna because they were very big in size yeah i know yeah and because they were vegan size they were two big disadvantages the obvious advantage is that they're the big show of the


advantage is that they're the big show of the animal world you know they'll come in like other animals but uh the disadvantages were that one they were very uh uh kind of heavy so they couldn't move easily and they couldn't hunt today the second disadvantage was that once human beings started rising up the food chain they were easy targets so the moment human beings kind of evolved up to a point of we became smarter yeah right like uh human beings also had a trajectory in terms of the first homo sapien wasn't as smart as how we are yeah okay and progressively every generation becomes part so the moment we started becoming smart and we learned to work together we killed off most of the megaphone on earth yeah be it mammoths be it the whole australian uh yeah tasmanian tiger predecessor to the kangaroos marsupials so uh now during this phase there were early ancestors of the modern day tiger or the modern day lion there was probably even uh like in


modern day lion there was probably even uh like in this whole timeline at some point we did see tigers as we know them today the same species uh was there at that point now these animals that first tiger first lion they understood that oh human beings mean danger so a lot of uh zoology experts believe that they developed an a genetic sense of fear yeah which is from of you yeah which is there today also you you sense that when you go these things you see today also like there is a fear apex of the time if you're walking in the forest as when we go looking for conflict animals and all we have to walk sometimes and the thing is like even even if you've been around my house if i'm walking right sometimes tigers come out but i mean i don't walk out that often never seen a diagram foot outside my house but yeah but the thing is that you know like a lot of people lot of lot of women forest guards and all even they tell and they go petrolling


guards and all even they tell and they go petrolling you know like 99 percent of the time when you walk then you're walking the jungle path or whatever if this tiger coming head on towards you 99 percent of the time if you continue walking the tiger will go around like into the jungle walk around you and come out and even i have noticed this so they do avoid us they try and avoid us as much as possible and they yeah so that's that's one thing that that we were talking about yeah what is the closest encounter you've had with the tiger that was a story yeah so the so again we were we were attacking this conflict tiger and like there was this one part whether there was a water body and there was a bush little like little strawberry you know it's the water body and the tigers pack marks and ended out there so we were like we used to go in groups of like 10 12 13 14 of us used to go in groups because when you're trekking when


to go in groups because when you're trekking when you're going tracking for a conflict animal it's better to go in a big group and make noise so you know you so the animal doesn't come too close but still you you can follow his pack marks and like look where you want them to be or you can like inform the members of the team via walkie-talkie and stuff like that so we reach this edge of this lake this water body pond and these packmarks and needles there and we were like figuring out now what do we do we were trying to discuss like where do we go from here because he could have gone this way here you know the first reaction anybody in this kind of situation is done right i don't know how couple of us had presence of mind so we caught people on either side of us then we had guards with like we had so luckily like they had the presence of mind to shoot in the air and then the tiger like turned around and ran off but at that


tiger like turned around and ran off but at that point dude like man i thought thought came about being so cried because like he was pretty close he was just pissed off dude we had been like tracking him for like many days we had been following we had been looking for him for many days so there was a lot of disturbance also created in the forest because there were more guards petrol in the forest there were more vehicles like wherever there were parks there were vehicles going up and down looking for him because he was a conflict animal and there was nothing we could do at that time to like reduce the disturbance because we had to catch him bro because if he didn't catch him then the locals would get disturbed and start poisoning water bodies and carcasses so instead of one instead of capturing one tiger his mother's brother's father all would have died if he hadn't caught this one guy so we would have lost four tigers instead of losing one tiger from the system and


instead of losing one tiger from the system and that's what conservation is it's about the species it's about the overall goodness of the species so if you have to sacrifice one tiger to save another four tigers i think it's valid dude yeah you cannot think emotionally always because there are going to be repercussions to that um [Music] i may sound like hard-hearted and all but that's a fact you're the expert you cannot be compassionate and be a conservationist i don't think that's possible you have all the rights in the world to give your opinion yeah because you live in the forest this is your job so but i actually want to ask you about the case for the man-eating tiger bro i mean okay sorry not the conflict tiger yeah um even if you're in a group you're walking through a jungle where there may not be a pakka road also yeah very often so you're walking through mud there is thick like bushes around yeah dude you cannot see you cannot see 10 off


yeah dude you cannot see you cannot see 10 off 10 or 12 feet into the bush you cannot see so what's going on in there there was one there was one point dude we could hear stalling we could hear the tigers growling and starving and we couldn't see him dude we had no clue hey he was inside and luckily again like we luckily like the the road was pretty close to where we were where the jeep was so he called the jeep in so the jeep came a little offroad so you know and the jeep came a little after the time sound happened that's when the growling stop we got on the jeep and what what goes on in the group's head like the collective personality of the group are you guys in any kind of fear are you all alert like what's happening dude you have to be alert you cannot zone out but you're not scared there are times when you do get scared but i mean you i mean dude like i don't


i mean you i mean dude like i don't know it's got its own thrill also and also you're like you're going into like for me it's like dude i want to save this animal i want to try my best to save him but there's a point to that also like there have been points when you know you feel like dude like it's better that this that this thing gets over like this let's just capture this animal or shoot this animal because as i said because at that point you reach that point only when villagers start getting disturbed and start threatening can you will poison the water all these poison the carcass and if they actually go ahead and do that dude you will have no clue how many other animals and how many are tigers what also even dear and all will come and drink and die so at that point you know it's like you know you feel like it's better to like sacrifice one animal if you're gonna save another like so many other animals um yeah dude


save another like so many other animals um yeah dude that's what people don't understand that when you're talking about a jungle that just when you're talking about a jungle that contains tigers there's also bears there's also leopards yeah there's also even more carnivores more herbivores yeah i mean dude the i mean it's it's very simple the presence of an apex predator is a sign that the entire ecosystem is healthy so every everything in the ecosystem is flourishing only that's when the apex predictably present in that in that ecosystem like in the forest the tiger is the apex so the tiger will only exist if the deer is there if the there is there if the if the leopard is there if the dog mild dogs are there if this is all this has to come into play for that tiger to exist if one of these animals goes out of the system the whole system comes collapsing down it's the same thing that happened in yellowstone right when they


same thing that happened in yellowstone right when they took out the wolves the bison population went up they ate up all the grass so no grass was there whatever water was whatever rain snow was happening it was all flowing down in flash flood destroying the entire soil so they had to reintroduce wolves because once the grass got over the bison started going down but there's no food for them the entire ecosystem started going for a toss the glaciers started melting faster so then they reintroduce wolves and down they notice that things have started healing back and coming back um i mean all these conflict animals i feel like the basis of it is that the villages are too close to the forest and listen villages have been set up they're two rows so why don't the officials sort of just take the villagers move them out too in the process of doing that in the cause of tiger resource okay but dude okay i'll give you an example for the girl the government does


give you an example for the girl the government does that in the call zones okay uh 600 square kilometers in tando by is the cause okay in the car zone in 600 square kilometers they were only like say 10 10 villages they used to be now there's only one okay okay but in in 600 square kilometers there were 10 villages okay now the buffer zone of tadoba which is 1100 square kilometers okay which is almost double up the call there are 60 villages in there and if you talk about the corridors that connect tad over to other forests for example central chanda is one forest is one patch of reserve forest which is 1100 square kilometers again it's as big as the buffer of tadoba but where tadoba is 60 60 villages in the buffer in that in in central chamber there are 600 villages so it's taking like for 40 years or 30 years to relocate nine villages imagine how many years it will take to delocate 60 villages how many years will it


to delocate 60 villages how many years will it take to relocate 600 villages and when you talk about relocation also it's not easy because you have to find that much lag away from the forest available for the village then there's to be water close by because will not agree to move otherwise they have to have some facilities ready before they can like even locate the village and then the villagers have to agree then every villager gets land for land a house for a house so the government has to build a house for them every member in the house about the age of 18 is giving 10 lakh rupees compensation above all this so it's it's a very expensive process even for the government to relocate one village one village takes 10 10 years sometimes to relocate so you know it's impossible to think of relocating villages i know already warming with these villagers right like villagers that live around like around forests and in forests no they've been living there for generations they know


no they've been living there for generations they know how to coexist it's other people who come from outside that destroy things like we want electricity in the city to tell our ac and a computer and this and that so electricity means you need coal or you need something to burn to generate electricity now most of this coal comes from which is under forests so foreign i mean forests have been destroyed for mines binding you know coal minerals all this is happening because of greed and then even like there is a demand for an animal parts from chinese whoever even out here dude [Music] it keeps going on dude [Music] so all this all this greed is what's the problem it's not the villagers villagers per se all of the villagers also have had some issues like they have to live with predators which is not easy all the time but they they it's like when something happens they get pissed off which is justifiable but otherwise they live peacefully i feel with animals have you


otherwise they live peacefully i feel with animals have you seen that video of that indonesian lady who got swallowed by a python and then they couldn't locate her crazy like so there's a there's a video of basically the indonesian old lady was missing grandmom okay and they didn't know where she was and then later they found a python which looked like it had something in it and there's an actual video of them cutting up the python and you see the ladies dead body inside just being half digested crazy dude it's a crazy video but this is what i mean and i'm sure these kind of problems are prevalent all over and africa dude you know you know what you know what the thing is so you know you think like tigers leopards bears all these are the dangerous animals right the main cause of human deaths in non-animal conflict is not caused by leopards tigers bears in india it's caused by wild boar wild boar yeah yeah while boys do they