own individual career what's your outlook yeah and do you think it was the right place for you we know it's not the right place for everyone this is not an easy place to work at for sure yeah uh but what about your own career how do you look at like your current state of mind just be very honest even you can even highlight the bad things about working here so uh obviously the and i wouldn't say it's a bad thing it's just that at times you have to compromise your own social life and you have to keep your phone always on like you can't keep your phone on silent mode you can't keep your laptop away you have to be available throughout but the highest is i love ranveer and i love the team that's why i can put in more effort and i believe in the vision that we want to work for and i know ranveer as a person and ranveer wants to give it back to the team yeah if he's thinking about himself being a billionaire he


he's thinking about himself being a billionaire he wants other people at least to be millionaires otherwise he's not going for it that's the mindset he has and he tells that to us that is what encourages us to work for him and with the team appreciate it my man uh there is ubuntu mentality here what is ubuntu we'll make lots of vlogs about it yeah few things right uh that that entire team has learned right i mean what happens is when you speak to a lot of creative people and teams of creative people they're they're unorganized and they're unorganized i guess for the right reason i mean maybe it takes that right but here we are creative at the same time we follow sops we follow calendar everybody blocks everybody's calendar we we run on excel sheet right we do tracking we do lot of stuff we do data stuff like many times you you don't connect with those things i mean you particularly but then the team knows okay you stay out of it we'll do our stuff


okay you stay out of it we'll do our stuff right so there are there are many things that the team does and you don't even know it and and we don't want to tell you it's because it's not none of your business i mean do your i mean get people and talk talk to them i was just feeling very satisfied when i was here and i kind of had a conversation i think with sanjay that dude i don't know what the motivation is at this point like i don't you know there's a movie called rocky three yeah the premise of the movie is that he becomes a champ beats a lot of people loses his bite and then he actually loses the championship and then he has to win it back he used to get his bike back and that's not a very popular sequel of rocky people usually talk about rocky one or rocky three not too many people talk about because it's too raw maybe dude they show sadness they show all down you know like losing the chat


they show all down you know like losing the chat nobody nobody wants to see failure stories right that's the problem people people like glorified stories and all but yeah but failures have lessons of its own right like like i saw when i was 12 man and it scared me for life because somewhere even as a 12 year old i knew i'll get success i knew i was hard working even as a kid that you know okay i know success will come by but this is an important lesson that once you're successful what the world considers successful or what you consider successful in your heart learn how not to lose it also and earn it every day so i think that's the mentality that these guys also have be it sanjana sanchez whoever they earn their success every day and that's where the sports mentality comes in right when we moved in here i was telling sanji that maybe i'm losing my bite i don't know and i meditated and the question i asked in my meditation was what should


question i asked in my meditation was what should my motivation be at this point i meditated for like an hour at the end of it i just saw the team's faces like at this point do it for the 22 year olds 21 year olds in your team because money is done dude fame also to a large degree is done yeah uh things are good at this point it's what nachi said that tk will become a billion dollar worth company but a lot of people with us have to become millionaires yeah but again to sustain themselves it's not easy they are living not a normal life as 22 year olds just 21 year olds but i appreciate that yeah yeah and guys i mean when we say billion dollar it is what it is and it is a metaphor for you know becoming kind of a uh going to the next level right it's not money-wise billion dollar only yeah like aim for the moon and even if you miss holy you're in the sky yeah that's how i


holy you're in the sky yeah that's how i look at it man good podcast good episode 200 any signing of notes mr pandey i mean signing off note is just wanted to say that we've just begun uh watch out crazy guests will come from all walks of life uh we would i i keep reading comments so i'm watching all the recommendations just wanted to put it out there it's not easy to get the guests i mean it's very easy for come and comment that okay get naval ravikant but it is it is difficult right it is a lot of work goes behind it but but yeah because we have started it's our job so we'll we'll do it we'll get it my man mr pandey thank you for everything you're welcome okay i'll say thank you after we have achieved some yeah whatever it's rare that i say thank you to you because we're always batting together and the match is not done you know what i love about this conversation today in my last


what i love about this conversation today in my last podcast i think i dominated the conversation here we both spoke so that i'm just living my life baton and hidden those balls yeah it must be for so hard time for you no no now it's time for a vc meeting so see you later you have khana i will pitch to investors go make money see you thank you guys thank you so much that was the episode for today we recorded it about four days ago when i thought my career was gonna come to an end when i thought that i'm not capable of doing anything more in my life when i thought that i'm tired and i slept well over the last four days and now i wake up like this back to feeling creative back to feeling motivated back to feeling loved because of you guys episode 200 is still just the beginning lots more episodes to create lots more podcasts to release lots more fantastic people to learn from i request you to only send us more love only send


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in the 11th and 12th i took up psychology it was something that interested me i took up humanities which we had as an option in school a i felt i had everything every disorder in the book because when you're reading it you feel like oh my god i'm bipolar i'm a sociopath i was a psychopath i'm at this side but that you feel like you have everything when you're studying it you want to feel like a queen no i don't want to feel like a queen i just feel like when two people are together i feel they should make each other feel that they are important in each other's life i don't want someone who's gonna be like oh my way i god even think about it now my thing is like dharmic stuff you know like i've gotten deep into that or jimmy it was a gyming for a very long place this is your meditation ground this is my high i don't like when i'm extending energy i'm so happy that i'm a part of


energy i'm so happy that i'm a part of content creation is not an easy career and in the long term you have to choose a form of content creation that's sustainable therefore choose a form of content creation that you enjoy episodes like this where i get to know another intelligent human being this deeply this is the reason i've chosen this particular form of content creation kiara advani is also a psychology grad kiara advani is an observer of life because of a current profession and kiara advani is someone who's found success as an actor this one is an extremely deep fun consumable conversation especially if you like relationship psychology evolutionary psychology i think you're going to enjoy this particular episode a new movie bhul malaya 2 is out may 20th make sure you go watch it in theaters but for now make sure you enjoy this lovely episode of the ranveer show featuring kiara advani [Music] welcome to the ranvi show thank you i'm excited because i have no idea what we're going to


because i have no idea what we're going to be chatting about today uh i usually prep a lot for podcast for some reason something told me don't prep for this one just go and talk amazing and when i first saw you i feel like you're a very open person so i'm actually glad i took took on that mentality okay great are you an open person i am i think like i'm the kind of person who it's like you know some people like some you're not even asking for information and they'll tell you everything about their life even if you don't need to know what i want to know i'm unfortunately or fortunately that person i'm very transparent so if i'm upset you'll see it on my face if i'm happy you'll see it on my face if i'm excited you'll see it on my face if i'm pissed off you'll fully see it on my face i can't hide are you a combination of two people like one's the professional one and one's the personal one and i'll


professional one and one's the personal one and i'll tell you what context is coming from they say that everyone has three sides one is what we're like uh in a group one is what we're like with a loved one yeah and one is what we're like alone i kind of have a sense that you are uh the same person with a loved one and alone yeah uh very open vulnerable person yeah you you've done psychology no no i have actually that's okay no i am actually the same person like now when i'm looking at myself in these three um zones i'm the same person okay with my loved one with my my team with the people i work with with people i meet i'm there's only one person okay uh the podcasting kind of has taught me bits of psychology because you get to enter so many people's heads and hearts yeah but i'll be very i'll tell you why i'm going to say what i'm going to say right now it's because i feel like when i really reveal what's


because i feel like when i really reveal what's like inside my head it opens up the other person as well and you are a very open person but you're honestly like so pretty it's like difficult to have this conversation with you right now a little bit but i'm trying to do what i'm trying to do kiara uh i want to know about psychology i feel like you're very good with people's skills and that might be your sindhi side i don't know what it is but are you sindhi as well i've grown up around i'm sunday but why do you feel in psychology has it has a connect you know how people go to os and these are the business community and all my my gut is that to be good at business you have to be good at good with people yeah uh and i've noticed this across all the cindy's i know that everyone's very good with people so i think it's a cultural trait yeah so maybe it's a cultural trait because i think even in my family


a cultural trait because i think even in my family everyone's very expressive so i've grown up in an environment where everyone is a people's person with my mom my dad my cousin's brother everyone's very expressive um as growing up as a child i was a pathetic student um in the sense i mean i was i was very like obedient all the other boxes were good except for when it came to my grades i don't think i think science uh math all of that went like way above my head but why i'm sharing this is in the 11th and 12th i took up psychology and i just it was something that interested me i took up humanities which we had as an option in school so basically i did psychology sociology and people personalities that people's person that's who i am that's what i enjoy um and that's the field that i that i think i just excelled in so my 12th grades were 92 and i had like stopped psychology in school and i had done i almost


stopped psychology in school and i had done i almost for a brief moment thought if i had to have a plan b in life then i would take up and go for further studies abroad and you know probably get into that field but um life had other plans and i was too passionate about acting to have a plan b being nurtured so it was always plan a but when i did psychology for two years a i felt i had everything every disorder in the book because when you're reading it you feel like oh my god i'm bipolar i'm a sociopath i was psychopathy but this time but that you feel like you have everything when you're studying it because the thing is we all have a little bit of all those you know those feelings where humans were people at the end of the day preeti for example from khabib singh was a character that was so internalized it was not easy for me to snap out of it i remember when i was shooting good news which is the complete


when i was shooting good news which is the complete opposite of preethi there were days i had to like up my energy and up myself because my process till then and since i was in that pretty zone and phase of mind was so internalized i had to learn the art of detachment and that taught me and i think maybe somewhere just be in that zone be a hundred percent be here what happened what's supposed to happen what's going to happen after one hour none of that matters enjoy this one hour hmm that's a lot of self psychology that's gone on i think you think about yourself a lot and i think that's an outcome of being a psychology student i'm an overthinker that's okay yeah you're also an artist so all artists are gifted with creativity and then the creativity can work against you sometimes but it's chill it's chill um about um psychology so i'm an engineer and from the time you choose science in your 11th standard yeah the narrative in


science in your 11th standard yeah the narrative in science is that every other industry is bad and every other field will not earn you money the way science can own you money and that's not true and i've realized after becoming a professional that even if i hadn't done science i would have probably done you know something outside of it anyway so it's it's not true for sure and uh even see what happens is when your teachers and professors and friends are always dissing other professions you kind of start believing that so even i there was a phase in my life i looked down upon people who studied anything other than science including psychology and then as i've grown up i've realized the power that subjects like psychology hold where i've started studying it now and i'm seeing how much it's helping my real life and i've realized how much of a relevant life skill this is that when you actually read psychology textbooks when you dive into it you realize so much stuff about the people around


it you realize so much stuff about the people around you situations around you and people keep talking about intuition and how it's built by things like meditation i strongly feel like even psychology can like build your intuition i'm also getting that from you that you're really in sync with how my headspace is working yeah i can sense that because you haven't fallen for two three of my podcasting tricks which are which are i'm not going to tell i'll tell you this we'll see through that because i want to use them again and test it but you know what when you when you speak of the importance of it i feel like i wish those were the subjects like life skills and people skills and psychology or any of these subjects that we speak of i wish that we studied those growing up more than of course you do your math science and who remembers tita gamma and all these other things like i mean i don't know where i'm using it in my life great for those who but i


it in my life great for those who but i mean it would be lovely this like if i had if i had known if of so many things that i studied later on that i was interested in had that incorporated like in school growing up i feel like i would have been the person i am today maybe like five years earlier or like the knowledge that i would have you know gained or if the person i've evolved into i would have known of that much earlier in life to handle life better mm-hmm i think you're handling yeah fantastically i hope so must have done something right to get to where you are yeah i think even all the things you've done wrong to get to where you are very important tell us about what you've done right and wrong you know when you put some someone that kind of question you have to really look back because when you think of what if i i think if i have to honestly say what i've done right is all the spontaneous decisions i've made in


is all the spontaneous decisions i've made in life even if it's which means listening to your gut feelings yeah listening to whatever your gut tells you your instinct i think even if it's not been a successful decision i feel it was necessary in my journey to make me understand and learn the things in life is all about learning would you like me to tell you about you yeah because i've done like a bunch of these so okay i've done so many that now i haven't done blueprints you know about me about people's heads okay this is just from podcasting and i have certain blueprints in my head based on the ones i've already done i've done army people entrepreneurs actors directors every i've done possibly every kind of head process according to me i'm looking forward to new ones yeah after a long time i found a new one yeah okay so what i find new about you is that you're too uh sharp in picking up what i'm doing in the podcast people don't pick up


i'm doing in the podcast people don't pick up i'm able to like lead i'm able to shepherd them through it you're like why are you doing this like that's the energy i'm getting from you and you're carrying it forward you're building the content with me so that shows a lot of intuitiveness and definitely psychology study you're understanding where i'm coming from and maybe even the podcaster in front of you is not the real me and you're picking up that yeah i'm even i'm waiting for the real parts to like see this is the real part okay uh secondly i do sense like a lot of creativity obviously like the artist thing is that like too much uh very connected to like your emotional side and all that uh especially from like you know your personal side like part of things uh these thoughts i can sense in you a lot like you're thinking a lot about your personal life right now and it's good because somewhere as an actor you have to when you have personal life things


actor you have to when you have personal life things happening it could be positives it could be trauma it's giving you fuel to better yourself as an actor for sure so i like how you're having a positive relationship with whatever you're going through yeah am i right you're absolutely right okay how do you guard yourself from like say people you don't want to interact with where your intuition is then you stay away from this person stay away from this energy then i just stay away from that person okay and that energy i feel you take on a lot from like i believe in energies i believe that tomorrow if we are sitting and having a conversation and um say you're friends with someone and you're you know i feel like they add their energy will add a lot to your life you will i pick up on energy so i think also because like you said you that you notice that my emotional quotient is very high so if somebody's feeling low i may empathize with them to as much as


i may empathize with them to as much as how they are feeling how am i feeling right now i feel like there's a lot of heart in you i don't know what you're going through in life but you're putting on your bravest self right now am i right yeah i'm really like uh i'm surrounded by a lot of loving friends and team yeah and family but i love talking to people uh i don't drink or smoke or do anything so my highest me too why do you not to be honest i'll give it to my mother because when you're growing up she was like these are not things you should be doing so i never tried she said you don't need to try because if you don't try you'll never know and then you won't ever get into these bad habits you've never tried i've never no i mean i've had a drink and stuff obviously like you know 18th birthday 21st birthday when you have your first glass of champagne and all of that but


first glass of champagne and all of that but i've never um i've never taken a liking to it so i'm a detox i've gone to one extreme of alcoholism oh really and you've come out of it yeah because i mean i've got this thing called uh an addictive personality disorder i think they call it something else so any any kind of anything that releases dopamine in my head i get really into it could be video games a person so i would like an extremist yeah which is why now my thing is like dharmic stuff you know like i've gotten deep into that or jimmy it was a gymming for a very long face but you have this helps you balance it like getting into by the meditation or gyming or content or content this this is your meditation ground this is my high i don't like what i'm exchanging energy i'm so happy that i'm a partner of balancing your your you're my real life smiling smirnoff no no but uh this


life smiling smirnoff no no but uh this is this job is great yeah i mean i love the entrepreneurship side of things also because it's challenging and aggressive and it's like war in a very positive way and this is like the art and the kind of refueling i get for that war so yeah it's a great i mean that's very cool i've never i should look at life like that you don't uh maybe unc me subconsciously or unconsciously it's happening but like how you know that you look at this as a way to read like i should look at like i always feel very anxious before films release okay i don't get sleep at night and it's probably excitement anxiety nervousness all of that put together but i've realized like i'm like i won't sleep till two and i'm someone who sleeps at eleven o'clock or like max 11 o'clock so i won't sleep till two three i won't get sleep i feel like there's constantly like a little bit of


feel like there's constantly like a little bit of butterflies going on for what i i think i mean i feel is because of the release but this happens before every release okay can i can i tell you one more thing about you which i've noticed yeah so while you're saying anxious i also think there's a base of a lot yeah yeah it's not it's not actually doesn't necessarily mean unhappy unhappy it like i i saw this very interesting um video on on instagram or something where what this guy was saying i forget who he was but basically he said that when you're nervous what are the symptoms you know your your breathing is a little different when you're you're a little like your palms are a little sweaty all of that when you're excited what are your symptoms the same thing so when you channel when you tell your mind that these symptoms are excitement you realize that what's nervousness can also be seen as excitement and most of the time it is


as excitement and most of the time it is like i'm actually obviously i'm excited my trailer is launched we're going out and about we're meeting people but there's this thing now and i had a room i call this promotional rut it's so stressful it's all in our mind it's not so stressful actually i can use this to refuel myself and then get back like how you're talking about you know this being like energizing you for you to put back into your you know on your techy side and going when you go there not every podcast is like that you okay like i'm not complimenting you huh actually i have to meet journals like you are not journalists people like you my jo i hope the others that i meet have have this kind of a vibe so that it kind of like you know excites you see it's far more interesting to speak with and to have conversations like this as opposed to like the mundane stuff of what was the experience how did it feel


stuff of what was the experience how did it feel i feel like after a point you're like pretty much like like saying the same thing even you've lost interest in in that you have to keep like upping your energy in that sense um yeah i think honestly the audience has lost interest in interviews which are just questions pre-planned and podcasts are here to stay that's what i hope for now that i've got to know about this whole psychologist side i have some questions that are quite pertinent okay um psychologists are observers and so actors is one thing i figured over the course of this podcast um your debut hindi film was dhoni no i'm so sorry that's fine okay but most people thought it was dhoni because that was a film that people like before that the films that i did nobody knew me right now so ugly was my dear people that's absolutely fine a lot of people think my debut film is dhoni the reason i i mean i i saw you there first and i


i mean i i saw you there first and i felt like you lit up the screen how sweet i'm asking you this out of curiosity okay and this is something we've discussed a lot as well because one of the most requested podcasts for us was sushant like they were like we would love for you to have him on the show unfortunately you know whatever happened happened but i'd love to know from your eyes and your heart what was he like as a person what was that mind like because we couldn't do the podcast i couldn't dive in i'm sure the psychologist like this is maybe one amateur psychologist talking to a professional i'm not a professional probably studied in two years but i'm not freshmen at all i've only read um but i can tell you my experience as a co-actor and as a you know friend because when we were working together i think we had a wonderful equation i think he's a very curious mind um we started the shoot in aurangabad and we


um we started the shoot in aurangabad and we were shooting a song that we were doing in the film and a few scenes and um i remember we had a we were shooting during the day we must have packed up around eight o'clock and we had a like a four a.m flight um so naturally we kind of thought let's just pull an all-nighter what's the point of sleeping and you know when you've wrapped up a good schedule everyone's always like happy and stuff so that's the time i actually spent time with sushant and we got chatting and it's so interesting because he had shared his journey and how dhoni happened for him and generally his life story with me you know from being a backup dancer behind preethi zinta and how he came and how he was an engineer and he had all these massive books that he was reading um and he was very curious about life about people he was very driven and i remember by the end of it i told him i said you


the end of it i told him i said you know someday someone will make a biopic on you only because his story and his journey was very very interesting even as an actor i think he was so passionate because i remember he had like a whole booklet of like questions that he had asked dhoni with answers in fact so much of the research that he did uh about his life about dhoni's life about you know his personal life sushant had shared that with me to help me in my research he was a bit of an insomniac because when i when i was like so groggy by the end of it like i need to go to sleep and he's like he's like i sleep i don't know he told me this he said apparently the human body only needs two hours of sleep even when you sleep eight hours or seven hours or whatever each person needs is from that only two hours is what the actual time your brain is actually sleeping the rest of the time you may be like unconscious


the rest of the time you may be like unconscious or and asleep but your mind is still active so you say i just need two hours of sleep and it was strange i i was like this is so strange how does he do this but he was pretty like energized the next day um you know he there was no he wasn't tired on set but he he was just that was his that was how he was just built and made i don't know it was very fascinating what was his energy like as an actor when you were doing scenes with him so natural so natural i mean it shows everyone who saw the film so natural and so effortless um especially in dhoni i think that was really his standout performance even his first film kai pochi i really really liked him as an ad when you say driven like you said he was driven that's what i mainly picked up from everything you said amongst other things you're saying i'm very critical on myself yeah i'm very hard on


very critical on myself yeah i'm very hard on myself as an actor as a person as an actor as a person i like a lot of things about me maybe i'll share those things as an actor i'm very critical oh as a person i feel like i think my my loyalty and my foundation is very strong you're a humble person i'll tell you that for sure it sends a lot of humility from you like and genuine humility like and people are sometimes especially on your famous people and it could even be people who are not actors all right like someone who's just like businessman famous the different people off camera and on camera and you're the same person and that says a lot about your upbringing yeah i was just going to say when you said that when you said the humble thing i said it's all mom and dad that this is the only part of the episode they are going to be so proud when they watch and see your daughter she's so humble she's so how do you get this


so humble she's so how do you get this combination of pretty humble smart observant how do you get a kiara advani you can you can be born to my friend no cool everyone can i'm trying to figure out your flaws also hold on i'm sure there are many he's like a mind reader no i love i love how uh you're very brave about your own healing process so yeah i try to be i don't know i yeah i try to be brave about my healing process but but there is like you're right that is so emotional but then you know what happens like the thing is and this is a beauty of business business allows not allows you forces you to become emotionless and you have to become emotionless in business after a certain point okay any entrepreneur you speak to even if they began as a very emotional person they kill that off as a requirement and sometimes that's not great you know it affects your personal life and it's something that's affected my personal life


life and it's something that's affected my personal life badly like my closest friends and relationships have told me that stop being this emotionless and i'm like i'm sorry that's a requirement anyway my point is it also allows you to deal with pain much more uh easily now i feel because you're such an emotional person and even your job requires you to be so emotional you sense pain much deeper than um another person would yeah and this is not a general generalized thing are you feeling like a gender no no no that's true what you're saying yeah so i i have as a friend i i won't have pity because that's a strong word but i feel for you like i feel the like as in whatever whenever you're hurt i think you get too hurt yeah it's not good dude because it's not good but it but what i've what i've observed about myself is that's true it happens like my there is a healing process but then once i've healed and snapped out of


but then once i've healed and snapped out of it it just doesn't affect me anymore yeah so the the i know that since that happens there's a silver lining that it's not like this is the end of the world but the process is very hard i won't deny that and it definitely makes it harder when you're uh when you are so in touch with your emotions or when you are i don't know call it overly sensitive or what some people say that but i i just feel it's like that's just how i am built that's just that's my my mold is off that so um it's great for my for my the work the line i'm in um and i never want to lose that because you you can't be an emotional person if you're an actor i think then you're not going to go far you have to be in touch with your emotions unless you're really good at faking it then great but i feel like even on screen for me i know the times when i


on screen for me i know the times when i felt it on screen while performing like when i've in the scene when i've when i've been in that moment i know how i know that as then when i'm watching it i can connect you know and i know then the audience will connect but as opposed to if i'm faking it and there are sometimes there are some you liked it you're an actor but for me i know that i've acted so i know that it may not hit home because there was a difference in the way i've you know done it in the ones when scenes where you know that it's hit that beat it's hit that knot so as an actor definitely works for me as a person um i let the process take its course is it difficult to find love in your profession i've heard i've heard a lot of female actor friends of mine saying that yeah and i didn't even know this reality one because i'm not a girl yeah because i'm not an actor so it's


girl yeah because i'm not an actor so it's just a whole new perspective in terms of i feel honestly there's a lot of men one half many of the men would first of all be like afraid to like come up to you all because of the way you look and who you all are then out of the ones who'd come up many of them would just want to be with you for the status of being with you so it leaves a very small pool of like genuinity to come your way and i'll tell you one more thing out of those genuine that genuine pool of men yeah understand that men take very long to grow emotionally yeah i know that yeah like and men start growing emotionally probably after 30 after 40 and i've figured that through the podcast like a lot of the guys i've spoken in their 20s don't know what's happening in there very few of them are so yeah so uh to be able to date someone who's as emotional as an actor would be very um


as emotional as an actor would be very um challenging for a lot of younger guys perhaps you're right i feel first so i honestly feel there are many more options like i feel like they're more women than there are men in the sense if you put a if you put a male actor and a female actor and ask the same question i feel for a man he would probably find uh have more options i feel women are more genuine like that and those things that you're saying would probably not be you know such concerns whereas for a female actor or for women in general i feel your options are more limited i don't think it's because there's any expectation list or any of that i that doesn't work it's never it's never been you just it's how you vibe with the person it's how you connect what are you doing there are no criteria what what's your criteria i have none i genuinely have none no criteria i mean uh like if i have to look back at whichever relationships i've


i have to look back at whichever relationships i've been in or whoever i've dated i don't think there's a box that anyone fits into so i don't see you know it's not like so and so has to be rubbish it's just the way someone makes you feel okay and it doesn't have to be big gestures it can be the smallest thing like you know hey i'm so sorry i'm at work uh let's even but just like rather than people who just like take you for granted i don't like that and that's not my i i don't i don't you want to feel like a queen no i don't want to feel like a queen i just i just feel like when two people are together i feel they should make each other feel that they are important in each other's life it doesn't have to mean putting someone on a pedestal making them feel like a queen no in fact that would put me off completely i don't want someone who's gonna be like oh my god like


someone who's gonna be like oh my god like see two equals yeah sometimes one has to be you know the it's like a seesaw you'll sometimes you have to pour more sometimes yes to promo like that but more importantly it's important to make the other person feel seen heard and understood and both ways even i need to even the other person that's what i meant by queen as in i didn't mean that oh yeah it's like maybe you want that king and queen relationship but mutual respect mutual respect mutual understanding it's respect and understanding is just and communication is so important in a relationship okay i love that you're a psychologist which is i'm gonna bring that back in yeah what do what are women's expectations in a relationship i know you can't generalize and everyone has you know a different mind but according to you and all your female friends that you've spoken to about these things what should men know about dating women like how do we be better boyfriends or husbands i think okay so there goes


boyfriends or husbands i think okay so there goes basics let's just start with the basics loyalty these should be given this should not be a like and this is not this is a basic thing have you been cheated don't trust i don't know i wouldn't know i don't think so uh unless it happens and i don't know i don't think so okay go on loyalty trust respect these are just these are just the given both ways men and women i won't i won't just say you know i'm not saying this just for women i think for i mean not just for men i'm saying even women they should be just like a given in a relationship um i think when i say respect for me i feel um it comes with respect of a person of how they are accepting people for who they are don't try to change evolve grow together we all want to grow we all want to become you know better versions of ourselves but don't do it at the cost of making someone want to


do it at the cost of making someone want to change who they are inherently um then that's not really a relationship you should get into because that nobody we are who we are the our fl best and worst this is who we are it's gonna come out eventually so these are no matter how much you change a person six months but after by the end of it certain things aren't head into that you have to know and accept those things and nobody's perfect no actress is perfect either no actors perfect either no matter how great they look on screen and all that jazz we're all normal flawed beings human beings that's just how we are can be very honest with you about one thing i'm not just saying that please don't i think your flaws are relatively lesser than like the flaws i've seen in like other people so it's cool that you're saying that yeah but uh you're very like i don't know how to put it and it sounds like i'm hitting on you but


and it sounds like i'm hitting on you but i'm not i'm just like breaking down your head i feel like you're a very dateable person yeah i think i've also and i am it's really funny but i feel like for me now if i'm in a really like that's one thing if i'm in a relationship it's very all or nothing i can sometimes even and i have at times made it a bigger priority than even like my work life at times you know i i do because i feel like maybe that's also because i've seen that growing up i think my example my parents have been like they're still very lovey-dovey so now the bed the benchmark is so high the bar is raised so high that i i have big shoes not to be that but i don't know if it's expectations i also feel sometimes um you should understand that it's not all we we will be disappointed it's not like the expectations will always be met but once you accept each other for who you are both


once you accept each other for who you are both ways i think it gets easier i feel like those disappointments you start you know the intent of a person's behavior and that makes you less disappointed you know because everybody's like we two people can have different reactions for example you may want to say something and your inability to say it may come out in anger but the reason you're angry is because you wanted to say something that you've not been able to say now i may focus on the anger and feel like why is he you know like i can't stand this person he's just always angry but what is the intent behind that anger and when you notice that i mean you know where things are coming from when people are saying what they're saying why they're saying it then then i think the disappointments also kind of reduce yeah a monk once told me that uh i asked him for feedback in the same way that you take professional feedback from everyone yeah uh i try taking personal life feedback


from everyone yeah uh i try taking personal life feedback because it it goes in my content as so he said that you're a judgmental person and i said no i'm not i'm really not like that's something i fight against in fact i don't judge people etc so he said what is the meaning of judgment for you so i said you know when you look down upon someone something and i don't think i'm that person so he said no judgement is even when you use someone's example as a compass for your own life when you see something wrong and say okay i'll never be like that even that stuff so i said okay then how do you remove that because that's a very normal human thing like judgment is probably required for your growth so he said every time you're feeling that replace judgment with curiosity yeah and that's effectively what you said that try understanding the place people have something because when judgment becomes a part of a relationship that's what actually leads to like the downfall absolutely and i feel


leads to like the downfall absolutely and i feel like if there's one thing i know about myself is that i'm a i'm not a judgmental person like i will not form an opinion like right now i still don't have an opinion on you i may not have that that kind of a judgment on you i will have i will i will have an observation but i won't have a judgment like i've never because i i feel like even as people when you're not put in a box or when you're not judged you there's so much like how much can you know about a person with one meeting or with one observation i think you i got to know a lot about you you do but it's not everything you know what i mean and and also i won't say you're a judgmental person i'll say you're observant i will say you're curious and i'll tell you why because if you were a judgmental person i would have shut down right now because i don't end up like i


down right now because i don't end up like i can't grow in an environment if i feel the other person has that judgment like a gaze of judgment on me but you have a gaze of curiosity which is exciting and interesting for me to kind of share whatever i'm sharing right now so maybe maybe my honest input is i respect your education a lot thank you yeah and i respect what your education has done to you and how i feel your education hasn't stopped and you're using that as a weapon in your career even for self-defense you the psychologist is very much on in you which is what i respect maybe because it's something i want to imbibe in my own mind and head so i'm getting like that exact person like help people so that's where maybe what you're sensing from um let's turn the tables okay and ask kiara advani what she thinks men expect in relationships because there's all your cosmo out there there's all your internet articles out there which tell women uh you know which talk


out there which tell women uh you know which talk about what women expect there's a way less there's very less content about what men want in relationships and it's so nice that you're bringing this up i clearly don't know so i want you to tell me what men expect in a relationship but why don't you try first and then i'll help you out [Music] whatever you observed from my experience yeah the same basics loyalty trust understanding respect i think for me these four have been you know these have also been a given in whatever i've been in also i don't know i don't know if there's i don't know uh i don't know you have to tell me okay so i feel when you wanna understand someone's requirements or what they need you need to understand what they're going through like what's the negative of being a woman what's the negative of being a man american society is as sexist if not and these are societies all over the world okay wait as a girl when you're growing up


okay wait as a girl when you're growing up you're just told certain things yeah it's in it's we don't even realize sometimes when we the behaviors it's so like in our dna forget about what we've seen growing up or any of that it's somehow like come from our ancestors we don't even realize it and we feel these are the duties and roles we have to perform but i think today say with conversations like we are having and that there are being you know people are also um in a way that's changing but that's also shaking the the expectation then that say a man and a woman have from each other those lines are blurring and to be okay with it is probably currently the biggest challenge i personally the way i look at it correct me if i'm wrong okay because i'm not a girl this is just my masculine perspective i feel women since their kids in some degree are disrespected there is a sense of disrespect okay yeah would you agree um yeah but i


disrespect okay yeah would you agree um yeah but i just feel like it's not like i'm not using only using what this term disrespect i feel it's also a sense of uh like suppression like i feel like they feel there's a little in like in superiority inferiority thing that ends up happening i think that's what i'm terming as yeah this is correct that's what i'm saying that's nobody but i just want to add these to show it's in this form i get it now uh yeah and that's and this is something as a man i've learned over the course of my career when i've worked with women when i've had female co-founders true because co-founding is like husband wife so so you understand like very deeply anyway my point is uh through conversations like this also i've got to learn this about women as a guy you don't even realize this i had a sister older than me was brought up very differently than me just because of the society that hasn't


than me just because of the society that hasn't great she's had a great life as well she was treated much more like a princess than i was i mean now that i want to be treated like a princess but you know yeah uh but despite going with a fantastically intelligent sister i didn't understand certain realities of being a woman and at age 28 i've realized oh girls have to go through all this um anyway so my terminology is disrespect yeah and that's why a lot of girls effectively even a lot of the stuff you said about women's expectations in relationship a lot of it is centered around respect that respect me and respect my opinion take my take my opinion opinion take my opinion and i do feel women have a strength of empathy and emotional awareness so their opinion not just matters it can really shape up a much better decision if you're a guy and looking for career advice for sure you you see so i had this whole phase in my life i


so i had this whole phase in my life i thought i'll never get married because i'm getting so much time to myself that i can utilize the time for my career and i have this german friend of mine third years he's the german beer biceps okay and he told me that um you see any of the most powerful men in history ask yourself how far you want to take your own career as a man do you want to make it to the history books you'll have to have a stable partner and a wife in your life because if you want to go that far that means you're gonna have to do a lot of work and if you do a lot of work it has to be there has to be a base of recovery where you can come back and heal and then go out into the world okay and but so i'm just gonna cut you there the reason i am this is what i feel that when you think like that it's great but when you come back when you want like for


but when you come back when you want like for a guy if you want that woman who you're gonna come back and who's gonna you know energize you to go back um that's only gonna happen when that person is happy and i'm not saying that you have to make that person happy yes we talk about you should be happy to me but but you need that's going to come with a mutual respect mutual understanding and it works both ways so that even this person can go out and live their dreams come back and together like like friends like like it has to be a partnership yes love is the most important thing but there has to be a friendship there has to be a partnership it's it's not key you go and come back and like you have you know you should get married because you want a woman in your life or that it i can give you many examples of women who've been in very successful people's lives like that who are not happy and we can be talking of


who are not happy and we can be talking of einstein and and the likes who've had those you know who had those relationships that have not working the women have not been happy in that so to energize you to go back you need that you need that that that that relationship to be solid yeah that's why i feel like i hear you yeah you spoke as a woman yeah and you spoke using feminine terminology i'll give you the masculine terminology on the same thing you understood the women's trauma which is disrespect what is a man's trauma okay a man's trauma is since the time you're a little kid you're told that your value is attached to how much money and fame you earn in the world yeah and and if you don't have one or both of those two you're worth nothing you're in fact like mocked as you're growing up uh about these things as a woman you're mocked about oh you won't be able to anything there's a guy mocked about oh you


to anything there's a guy mocked about oh you won't be able to do it so and sometimes it feels harder like i mean in a man's shoes like i mean i have a brother at home and he's at that age where he's just starting off his life so i do see you know him going through that the challenging period how i'm gonna make it what i'm gonna do you know how i'm gonna do what i'm gonna do because somehow similarly unfortunately women have always been told it's not a yeah they're two things one key you know you're not gonna be able to do anything or you're good for only getting married or whatever so the pressure of of um making your own life is not put on a woman the way it's put on a man yeah and it can be equally pressurizing on a man when like how a woman feels that you know these things like what we're talking about i can i totally understand when um when a man feels that uh


understand when um when a man feels that uh that my value like you don't understand but my it's i have to make it otherwise i i will have no standing in life and you know i can't i can't do this if i can't be like some i feel sometimes men feel i don't know maybe correct me if i'm wrong but i think sometimes men feel like and i'm and now this is my observation of you that i can't have my personal life flourish till i've made my professional life like i'm settled yeah they live sorry and i i think that again comes from those childhood um expectations or you know what we've been brought up with as a society or as whatever but why can't we look at it as two people starting life and making life together like it doesn't today you don't a man doesn't have to be the bread owner it can be those those roles can be equally divided two people can equally put food on that table in their home it doesn't have to


on that table in their home it doesn't have to be one person and yeah you you know you kind of it's i'm going back into work it's and and this is a completely different film also that i'm doing but like my next film jio is about these roles it's about like you know the roles of a husband and a wife and how especially today's women and men want to have that equality without egos the biggest problem in a relationship today is ego right and even and now forget not only in a relationship uh in in a romantic sense i'm saying even equations with like say partners co-actors friendships working relationships environments the biggest problem is when communication and ego comes in the way and that leads to that downfall so so this this understanding like where you're seeing the way it's coming from um that the reason someone's feeling a certain kind of pressure to understand where that pressure is coming from you want to be uh understanding of it right you understand this as a emotionally aware girl yeah


you understand this as a emotionally aware girl yeah girls inherently are emotionally aware guys are not guys guys have two expectations one is that um again guys want a lot of direct input like communication yeah because we are not able to communicate correct so if like you know whatever your needs are like you need to tell the guy and the second one is a place of like vulnerability and a place of recovery again yeah and the flip side is that um guys look at kind of their relationships from a sense of uh petrol also so y'all uh i mean i feel successful relationships happen when both parties put time and energy into it and for a guy that's his form of respect and that's the i mean that's that's what basically that's great girls this is this was great we just i think this is something that uh you put so nicely did i did i answer your question you did about guys requirements yeah you did cool i can go on forever you do have to yeah come in


go on forever you do have to yeah come in throughout the rest of the day but i hope you didn't feel like any of your energy got drained i got enlightened uh have you ever done anything i'm not done ricky i'm meditative i've never done it you meditate now yeah i tried to a part of so i've done reiki uh and it had changed my life just i don't practice it now okay when i've done it it has changed my life and it taught me the value of wishing well even in conversation and that's actually helped me a lot in the podcast and that's what i do throughout every important episode to me uh i'm meditating throughout yeah and i'm visualizing that you know a lot of healing and all goes towards when i do since you need it a little bit really a little bit i think we all do now yeah for sure but um are you giving me some reiki i i was just wishing you well which maybe that's what you felt as


you well which maybe that's what you felt as a lack of judgment or whatever the opposite of a lack of judgment uh i felt the same from you just to your conversation in terms of you have a very good idea of my career and as a media professional you gave me things that will take off so it was very empathetic of you it was such a nice emotional conversation the last thing i'll say is from every podcast i gained something uh and from this one uh i think we're around the same age yeah but women mature way faster at all ages so i gained that that oh okay this lady who's like around the same age as me but she has so much more depth so the emotional stuff i learned that's what i gained from this conversation kiara you know i i want to say something while before we wrap this and what i observed about you is that you say that your emotional side is not as probably involved as a woman's emotional side and you're more you


as a woman's emotional side and you're more you know you've cut off and you've been able to be emotionless as your work requires it but i think you're very articulate with your emotions and very aware of the um uh you know these the needs and feelings and and and how you feel even though you say you don't i feel you're aware of it and you know it and you have the you have the ability to articulate it more than i've seen any other man say your age articulate it so that's lovely getting emotional right now okay i don't know but thank you i appreciate it such a lovely conversation it's the art of podcasting that gives you all these yeah inside insights yeah that's what i said thank you i wish you well thank you and uh i think your career is fantastic it's gonna go away conversation but i'm going to also entertain you because i have come here i'm going to promote my movie also yes guys 20th may bulbul 2 is coming it's


guys 20th may bulbul 2 is coming it's going to be an insightful watch in a very entertaining way um so i'd love for you to go and just enjoy this one yes we will we will out soon um your career fantastic but whatever your personal life is i hope that that is not just as good as your career but i hope it goes even beyond because i think that's your priority yes it is so good for you it was lovely talking to you likewise so that was the episode for today the one thing you guys don't come to know as consumers of this podcast is how difficult it is sometimes to record the episodes especially if we're not doing it in our space which is why i always insist on doing episodes in our own studio because we have a control over the environment sometimes when you're doing episodes as a part of the promotional activities for a film there's an entire crew that gathers around the podcasting crew and honestly in its true sense it isn't


crew and honestly in its true sense it isn't really a podcast it becomes a sort of morphed version of it it's not the true podcast that it could have been the best bits of a podcast come out at the 45 minute mark at the one hour mark which is why i actually hope to have kiara advani back on the show i think she had a lot more to talk about we had to stop the recording because of her busy schedule on the day and i completely understand that but i felt like i was just starting to get to know her and little that i got to know her i'm telling you it was one of the most beautiful minds that i've come across i want to speak to her a lot more want to learn from her a lot more and want to keep bringing you fantastic episodes like this if you enjoy the runway show make sure you share it with all your friends also tell me how we can keep improving we've just crossed episode 200 therefore we would


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very often from actors is that when they'll come and meet us like fresh off the board they've never done anything before they've just ever done a three-month program of acting and they'll be they'll come and they'll be like you know actually i'm only looking for leads now i'm laughing on it but it's one thing that i would tell actors to never say sort of the notion that your value is attached to your age is that true be proud of your age man don't try to hide it i always get this my age is 28 but my screen age is 22. that time is gone just tell me how old you are when uh panchamikhari decides to cast all the entertainment youtubers in films we're constantly looking for talent and we don't care where the people have come from i don't care if they're from another city from another country as far as they can speak the language and they're enthusiastic and they are interested in acting now when you're growing up as a kid in mumbai


when you're growing up as a kid in mumbai you often don't realize the impact that the hindi film industry has on the rest of india you realize the impact when you travel in the rest of india and you're kind of asked so many questions about the world of cinema or the world of bollywood what's it actually like this conversation caters to that crowd and those questions panjami gavri is one of the most successful young entrepreneurs within the indian film industry today banjami gary casting is one of the most influential units when it comes to actually giving young actors opportunities to showcase their talent so if you're a young actor if you want to make it big in this industry or if you're just a bollywood fan and you want to know about the industry from an insider banjami ghavri is that person but also keep in mind she has one of the sharpest minds she is one of the most influential upcoming bollywood entrepreneurs and there's a lot more you


bollywood entrepreneurs and there's a lot more you can learn from her so whether or not you were watching this episode for the sake of the film industry i think you're gonna gain a lot of value from this lady this is panchami gavri giving us one of the most fun episodes of the ranvi show let's get into it enough of this intro this is a fun drs episode enjoy yourselves [Music] thank you thank you what's funny i'm just happy to be here i guess i just your energy is like funny to me yeah i mean so i've been told that i need to make these conversations funnier more chill uh but again there's a business leader somewhere inside me and i do want to learn about your world from a leadership perspective i've i've noticed the world of films and media in general now for the last five to six years i feel like some people who have gained a lot of clout and clout always attracts attention and noise and you are one of


always attracts attention and noise and you are one of those people i hope in a good way it's in a good way uh why would it be in a bad way what's the no i just mean that like i because media attention can be all sorts of so if it if it's in a way that's uh speaking about my work or the kind of person i am or the things that i like to do if people connect with that that's that's cool how would you say you're say you're traveling abroad somewhere okay and you meet some random foreigners and they ask you what you do how would you introduce yourself i say that i'm um my name obviously i'm punching harry and i work as a casting director in india and basically then i have to back it up and say basically i work at the movies what what does a casting director do so casting director basically puts together um every speaking person that you see in a movie that you're watching i think a lot of people


that you're watching i think a lot of people don't think about um how it's done uh it's also a job that i think now has come more on the forefront than it was earlier because i think casting directors want always a thing it's still like i would say compared to other departments it's still like a new sort of department um but we basically every every person that speaks in a film is casted including for that goes from your main lead cast to like every other person even a watchman that comes and says that's also cast and in a country where so many people want to be part of film so many people want to be actors yeah that puts you at the top of the status pile in some cases because you're the lady responsible for giving people their dreams i don't really think of myself like that honestly but uh i have always thought about the fact that i can give a lot of opportunity to people and that that definitely excites me um yeah of course there i think


excites me um yeah of course there i think in in a country of 1.3 billion people in india at least a lot of people are very fascinated by acting so there of course there's a very large pool of people that we are dealing with on a day-to-day basis people would assume that a casting director would be 50 years old 40 years old you're really like young so how did you get to a position of influence like so far because i started my career very early i i started assisting on a film called wake up sid with ayan mukherjee i was assisting nandani sheeken who's also a casting director obviously so she was my mentor um so i learnt everything pretty much from her so you're a bombay girl i'm a bombing girl okay and bombay has this energy of constantly making its people want to do more in life might be true so what is your version of more in life like what would you want to do beyond this i think beyond this i think all the people


this i think beyond this i think all the people around me to definitely know the answer to this question because i'm so loud and excited about it but uh it would probably be something to do with food and travel wow like from casting direction to this i would love to do that i want to put my feet into it probably i also like the atmosphere that i've built in the space and my team that i work with so that's not going anywhere but there are plans to do more obviously and now this makes me sound a little bit like are bombing people like that is that true yeah like on every level like you speak to cabbie even he's like that you speak to karanjori and he's like like everyone is thinking about what next yeah karan johar circles are thinking about tech startups for some reason now i think everyone just figured tech startups have money and the cabbies are thinking about scaling business because of shark tank india so i think as we were talking about outside


so i think as we were talking about outside bomb is a very collaborative yeah all action city but i kind of like that i love that beat of bombay i don't know if it's overwhelming for some people but i love that the fact that you don't have to wear only one hat you can do more than uh just one thing and i love that bombay doesn't have a judgment about that it's like different people are doing multiple different things um and everyone's kind of supportive about it and i like that you know i think there's a lot of negatives to living in bombay like small spaces traffic uh sometimes too much pace where you can't even switch over on weekends yeah uh but if someone asks me what the highlight is of staying away the positives i always say that conversations with artists and conversations with people from the media world are just very nice they'll stay with you for the rest of your life even if you end up going to goa later you'll look back at your time and bomb


later you'll look back at your time and bomb and say okay that's what i grew as an artist or a media professional yeah so for me this conversation is one of those okay so that you know you're also a media professional and there's a lot media professionals can like gain from each other i think after this conversation i'm going to be like charged up for sure i love to i mean i feel like these kind of conversations they inspire you because you're doing something so different from what i'm doing and i'm gonna go back and be like wow that's cool man no i like i like that you use the word inspiration that's what even i'm feeling yeah like dude you have too much of like a hustler energy like that's what i want to tell you outside like there's too much all action which a lot of people including myself sometimes get sad with that all action stuff oh really yeah what's the world of films like like you don't come from a filmy background actually that would be a lie


from a filmy background actually that would be a lie uh i do have some my my mom's side of the family has had some a lot of influence from uh with film okay if you'll be at like a family dinner uh if you were ever fly on the wall or you were at one of my family dinners you would see that we do talk about movies a lot uh because a lot of my cousins are also a part of the industry um so like ayan is the first is my first cousin oh really yeah wow and then there's also sunita and asuda which are agpl which is uh who made lagaan and swadis and all of those films so this is like my core world like this is where around the people which i grew up so there's a lot of there is a lot of film talk i would be lying if i said no so it was i guess very um it was just normal for for me to also fall into this um world um but films are i mean they've


this um world um but films are i mean they've pretty much been like my whole life um grown up watching movies still watching movies working at the movies i like that i'm able to translate that into other people's lives i think that makes me really happy i love ayan mukherjee we got in touch through instagram i don't know how i asked him how he came across my stuff on insta and he said i don't know he asked me how i discovered that he's following me and my answer to that is once i was seeing my stories my own stories on instagram and i saw ayan mukherjee sing my stories yeah so i just dm saying why are you following me man he's amazing he's like the favorite child of our family his energy is like everyone's very protective yeah i see why like he's like sort of a very blessed talented uh creative professional on one end yeah with the enthusiasm of a kid or the other and he's got masala going on yeah like but also i


got masala going on yeah like but also i mean see i always have respect for him as a director uh and that's the only kind of exposure i had him that this guy makes good films yeah but once you get to know him you get to see his office and where he sits and how he thinks about it yeah the ten years he's given for brahmastra yeah things that you realize the kind of stuff that's going on in this guy's head yeah and that's really fall in love yeah and the commitment that you need to you know put have put all your energies into something could you uh like draw out what you look for as a casting director so to be honest there is no right answer for this because it really depends on what we are casting for every time the requirement is different uh but i would say a few things that are really important or if i had to put down bullet points it would be and more than i will i'll not get into like looks and stuff or even like


not get into like looks and stuff or even like like you said dancing and stuff because i feel like all of those things are definitely secondary to what is most important most important thing is that you first you have a good work ethic now that is i think universal it's not only in casting or if you want to become an actor you need to have a good workout do look out for that of course i do i want actors to come prepared i want them to be on time i want them to put in some effort into looking a certain way follow the brief that you've been given learn the scene and come don't only learn your lines you know like these things and this comes under an ethic of work right if you've chosen a certain department uh or you've chosen a certain career you have to then give respect to what you've chosen and these all these things are really important and maybe more so over important than being some amazing dancer i think in today's time we are focusing way more on


in today's time we are focusing way more on on how well you've done something uh like how well you've done a test how are you prepped for a test how well you've given a test over any dancing or any of that and like to be honest right now in a time where even looks of course you have a slight upside if you're like a pretty person if you're like a nice looking guy or you're a pretty girl but i think that that will definitely not take you all the way you have to be a combination of both and there is very well space for people that may not have the best looks or unconventionally good looking but you're a solid actor and you're very hard working there is a place for you very often from actors is that when they'll come and meet us like fresh off the board they've never done anything before they've just ever done a three month program of acting and they'll be they'll come and they'll be like you know actually i'm only looking for leads which


like you know actually i'm only looking for leads which is like i now i'm laughing on it but it's one thing that i would tell actors to never say because it's you want to look for good work you want to look for um to work hard you want to look to work with good directors but you don't want to look for leads also you're a person sitting in an office space that nobody knows about so till you don't prove yourself why will someone give you a lead let's dial back a little bit okay so let's take someone self-made like vicky caution and let's take a female actor who's self-made i don't know name name someone like myself i mean completely from outside the industry um there's so many someone who's upcoming yeah if someone wants to reach where vikki kosher and bernard could have reached right now before they come to a casting director you said that you want them to be a trained actor so i'm assuming acting workshops acting courses yes what else is the


assuming acting workshops acting courses yes what else is the prep i would definitely more than like dancing and horse riding and martial arts and all to be very honest i would say definitely be trained uh go and get yourself a course you don't have to get go to someone who's extremely expensive you can even do like a theater workshop you can work as an actor backstage in theater also i won't completely say that it's only way to do is is to learn via a course to be very honest the auditioning process is very much a learning experience also so any actor who's new and they uh don't or can't go to a program where they do a three month stint or one year stint they can actively start going for auditions like gopher has many auditions it doesn't matter if you want to take on the part it doesn't matter if it's small or it's big um you have to start that process like start with doing a lot of auditions and you learn a lot from that


lot of auditions and you learn a lot from that if you ask branal and probably even mickey caution who have both tested like crazy like manal i know i did a live with her during the lockdown and she said that she learnt acting through auditions because that's how many auditions she was like in and out giving auditions but even vicki i know that he's been through a process of auditioning he's been he's done the drill so i think that's really important you can't you can't just walk into a place and be like actually i'm no okay there the two three girls are in the film and all i know i don't want to be one amongst the three i'll get stuff like today i think the younger generation has become a little bit smarter become more prepared gen z i gotta give it to the gen z because they are coming more prep for auditions we have seen a shift where we're seeing now we're seeing better auditions uh the percent of auditions that are good


auditions uh the percent of auditions that are good is more than what it used to be like even five or six years ago so i know that the younger generation is prepping and coming for auditions which is amazing and that is good energy um very straight up question to you uh why didn't you get into films i feel like you know the way you look you know you could have gotten no but for real and also with the know-how uh so i did do some theater so i'll tell you i went to lee strasbourg to study so that's why i got uh some of my a lot which has helped me a lot a lot of information that i have of how you should be in front of the camera because i was doing a lot of in front um or i had teachers who were teaching me and i was a student of acting i also think that it's very tough yeah yeah i want to know this part like if someone actually comes and says oh be in my mainstream film as a leader


says oh be in my mainstream film as a leader no i wouldn't do it why because i feel like to be honest i don't think i'm cut out for an actor's life i think the part that i would that is fun is the part of doing scenes and scene work and stuff that we do in the office but the real the real deal is completely different from an audition room it's a lot more i think actors are not given enough credit for the hard work they put in the amount of days that it takes day in and day out sometimes away from your friends and your family for months together staying in hotel rooms on your own i think there's a lot that people don't see that's beyond the glamour of the industry so when i was about 24 ish youtube had taken off and everything and there was both acting opportunities and business opportunities and i was a kid so i didn't even know what i wanted i was dating someone at the time who said that listen my parents won't agree


the time who said that listen my parents won't agree for me to date you if you become an actor okay and i said okay i guess i'll do business then so that's how business started in my life okay uh and i love it because that was what was natural to me like i love doing what i do sure now at this stage i've met a lot of actors i have a lot of actor friends and every time i look at their life i'm like i wouldn't be able to do that no even i feel like there's too much scrutiny like that too that too i never got i never even reached the media part that also i feel like i've been for screenings and i've seen that even you know the lead actors at that screening are always kind of a little uptight about the fact that everyone's eyes are on them and i wouldn't want to enter a room like that like energy yeah i love attention okay like i love the attention we get as youtubers yeah but that's how much


get as youtubers yeah but that's how much i want like i want to be able to go on the road yeah you know buy fruit same all that stuff go out for a nice meal in the city without like people just staring down your throat i think it's what people see the glamour part is very different from the reality and i do know that for that reason actors sometimes prefer to go between each other's homes uh but i feel like i am such an outdoorsy person that i would i would find that outdoorsy exactly me too i'm like i want to be on the move i want to have a normal life i want to be able to travel i want to be able to go wherever i want eat good food and not have all of that attention sometimes it's like it's tough right because you can't switch off from the attention especially if you're like a big actor in india so that's why a lot of them travel because that's where they get that's where they get their time off


where they get that's where they get their time off no no fair um so i'm going to give you a bit of a reality check from the youtube perspective and by reality tech is not about you i'm just giving you like youtube perspective here okay um in the long term in my own career i figured the power of two entities in india one's cricket and the other one's movies yeah okay like these two things are extremely dominant primarily because the industries are very old okay even movies have been around for like more than 100 years now yeah um cricket has been around for as long as that roughly so these industry have gotten time to build themselves youtube's like this very powerful revolution and i'm specifically talking about youtube not even social media not instagram youtube's been around for like about 10 years and it's built its own kind of ecosystem of youtubers as well as people who are like very into the youtubing culture in india okay and i've noticed that the young viewers


india okay and i've noticed that the young viewers on youtube and there a lot of them are turning against the world of movies and they're assuming that because of their own echo chamber where they are surrounded by other people who like their comments they really look down upon uh the world of movies and bollywood in specific and by look down upon i mean everything from oh is dunya to drugs hair sex hair cheating hair all that to oh now wait and watch how youtubers will like dominate this is that happening is this real yeah i don't even know but that's informative which is why i said that i want to give you that side yeah great uh i have two questions one how do you see like the digital ecosystem all these content creators one that's the first question uh secondly uh all that negative chatter about drugs and sex and all that uh do you have anything to say about it are these just stories cooked up by people who kind of want to see this industry fall so influencer


of want to see this industry fall so influencer world i actually think is at some point going to come crashing down okay i feel no i wanna hear i feel like that because i feel like right now it's such a beat like everyone is like doing a lot of marketing and like influencers people are getting paid like crazy amount of money but i have a feeling that and i've really been hearing about the kind of monies that people are owning it's insane this is not it's not normal it is more than a party people are paying it also yeah it is more than most of bollywood but not more than the top 10 to 20 yeah but also so much higher than the average income that the remaining people in india are making leaving aside people in entertainment which it's not fearful but it's also like it is making the literature and the poor poorer right like in the larger aspect of things which which is a little bit scary to be honest because we're also a very small


to be honest because we're also a very small percent that's being taxed so then it's and then we don't honestly get too much out of the taxes that we pay so uh so i feel like i feel like at some point it will definitely come down like it the reality will hit at some point um i'm not saying it will completely go away but i think the kind of price points that people are at that will crash at some point i feel like that i'll tell you as a early economy yeah i'm wrong i have no idea we've just seen money go up okay heavily every year yeah money is just more than it was the previous year and it's sometimes we see how much money is coming in and it's shocking for us yeah and i'm not just talking about like what we make i'm talking about what 19 year olds that we work with me yeah i'm like dude it took me four years five years of hustle to reach where you are in three months so


to reach where you are in three months so it's a little anyway that's a whole lot overwhelming i mean i am happy happy for them there's no doubt about that yeah but but i also wonder where it's going to take um so the way i look at it i think that the youtube ecosystem is going to grow youtube watchers are going to grow someone who makes video content for a living yeah takes a lot of integrity to build and um actually it's not succe there are many people in india that have that kind of uh youtube following there's only gin chunky a few people that are really doing it well you're one of them um i feel indeed thank you i feel integrity is one of those things that can transfer itself to other professions yeah i would like to ask you that um do you see some of my colleagues and think to yourself okay i would cast this person in a film i'm always watching you i have no idea okay i'm always watching uh so whether


no idea okay i'm always watching uh so whether i'm like at a restaurant or i'm i'm just always seeing faces you should see how i am when i'm traveling because i'm sometimes i'm in an atmosphere like a restaurant when i'm traveling whenever i'm like i want to cast this restaurant like i want everyone in this restaurant to be put into another situation and i'll always be crossing faces and be like what an interesting face i'm i'm very observant of um features looks and that won't only be like it it has nothing to do with like pretty conventional or not like i i'm very aware of like people that have an interesting um body language a vibe i have really nice eyes i'm always looking so i'm always going for feeling very excited right now uh dude like is it have you developed this because of your job yeah my question to you was just observation yeah and what have you observed about me as personal i've observed that you are um very easy going you're definitely someone


you are um very easy going you're definitely someone who makes friends easily i can i can imagine um you also seem like someone who's open-minded not very judgmental of people's opinions and yeah that's can you see the trauma can you begin can you spot all the sadness the loneliness the the that happens in my own room no actually because you may be a decent actor that's true dude i i think as a kid i was that harami kid who was very good at lying like i i was so good at lying then my mom just figured it after a point and so she's i used to get into a lot of trouble and um basically my mom told me listen man i'm sick of coming to your school to sort out your so the next time you get into trouble look at the teachers smile and say i'm sorry mama will never do it again that's an amazing hat auntie wherever you are that's a good one that's a good one my mom up to


good one that's a good one my mom up to you i can imagine you as a kid saying it i don't think any teacher would have been able to be upset for much longer yeah i was like this is a really chubby kid with the same same face and that's same chilled vibe and then i turned it into a career because i love the attention whatever you've got in this past it's honestly worked out coming coming back to your world you have to answer the second dark question i think that honestly there was a lot of noise in the lockdown about the industry and how bad it is and all honestly i feel like people were talking a lot of i feel like because it's just an industry which is like a bit aspirational it feels like you can't get close to it you can't touch it people speak a lot of stuff uh that is not true really uh is there honestly also i would say it's silly to like only put it with the industry i think it's if


only put it with the industry i think it's if if there is any of the drugs and sex and infidelity it's pretty much happening everywhere it's definitely not only centered to the industry or it's this industry which is bad honestly i have friends around me i have people my whole life around me people are going through different experiences and it's it's happening everywhere is there sexism in this industry um to be honest i've not experienced too much of it myself um i've always been given opportunities i'm a woman i've been working in the industry for a long time uh i've not experienced too much of it to be honest i i think that i'm also very blessed i'm working with the younger generation of people who are i have surrounded my life with very progressive uh directors producers i've i've never had too many experiences of course when i was younger there is a little bit of that opportunity wise it's also for a long time um i mean there are a


for a long time um i mean there are a lot more people in the uh there are a lot more people i mean i think that's a good balance actually i want to say in casting i have to give it there's a wonderful balance of men and women uh it's not a very only a male dominated um occupation i've not used that word in really long you know you know how a lot of women and i'm from a family of gynecologists like it's sort of a weird paradox that i'm saying this is okay uh like everyone's a guy now okay my granddad's a gynac my dad's a guy and they wow they've all become ivf specialists now okay that's the next specialization anyway my point is uh how women would feel more comfortable going to a female gynac i would assume that a lot of women would be more comfortable coming to panchami i hope so and i'm happy to make that i'm happy to be a safe space for men women everyone the gynac


a safe space for men women everyone the gynac of casting i'm the guy no i love it i love that we have a space where people feel comfortable i always get compliments on my team because we are a very very inclusive space we don't have any hierarchy there is no boss and assistant and you know uh associate and extra associate we don't have all of that stuff everyone is working together um so it's a very inclusive space and i'm very proud of that what would you say to people especially from outside of bombay and honestly actually i'm from i'm near your industry and even i don't know the truth okay what i have figured is that definitely the fashion industry has this sort of powerful people will do some wrong things and i might be generalizing it but this is what i've heard and seen uh especially in like the whole you know uh model circuit and all there is sort of like this dark element there i don't see as much in the film circuit but is there any truth


much in the film circuit but is there any truth to this whole casting couch angle that was big like say 10 years ago 15. i think it's i think it was very real for sure was was i hope so man i hope so okay uh but i think it was very real i i definitely think it was happening people in power were taking advantage of um actors who they thought actors thought that they are the way for them to get uh a job or become an act like become an established actor and there may have been people that took advantage of it um in the process i don't know anyone specific to say but i would say that it it i feel like it was real at some point for sure i think this whole metoo campaign has also been good in a way because it's it's made people the the ones that must have been doing it it's made them more very that it may come out and that fear has done good things so i'm happy that the whole movement happened because


so i'm happy that the whole movement happened because it does actors are in very vulnerable situations they've been trying rejection is such a big part of an actor's life so sometimes it feels like to stay quiet about it or if such a situation happens to you you will just take it something will come out of it it's very sad that that they're so vulnerable that such a situation can be taken advantage of especially in a casting space where you are doing a scene you're trusting the person that you're doing the scene with the space that you're in uh i'm sure that it must have been real and i feel bad and sad for all the actors that i had to go through that it's not supposed to be like that a casting space is supposed to be a safe space um so i think that um it was real i hope it's not happening anymore uh we definitely make our space very very safe also i'm a woman maybe that helps i'm glad if it does make


maybe that helps i'm glad if it does make actors feel comfortable to come in and do scenes with me my team but i do have men in my team naturally so um i think it really just depends on the people that you are i mean i i know how i've uh how me and my team work we are a very very safe space actors will always say good things about uh coming in and testing with us a company is always a manifestation of the founder yeah i would actually from the top yeah always it's a manifestation of the founders energy so and then i mean i can i can speak for you i can i i sense who you are yeah so i would definitely uh kind of i mean i'm going to agree or disagree but you know i would back yeah for sure i sense who you are as a person and we have to i mean to be honest we have to shift that that's why even when the campaign happened and i had been hearing that actors have been through it


i had been hearing that actors have been through it i was like i hope they come and talk about it because it is important that when they come to audition i have seen how sometimes you know when you want to really get at the top as an actor it can be you can have a moment where you are feeling desperate you you need to get that opportunity you know you deserve it and bad things can happen in the process and sometimes you step on that or cover that but i don't think that that's right obviously it should we should speak about it more and we should make it safe for them yeah the assumption is uh that men are responsible for these things uh and i'm sure i mean there's enough what was that scandal that happened i'm sure there's two sides of the story always but i do also think that there's no smoke without fire yeah sometimes if you're like if someone has experienced it it's i mean i would say it takes next level like it's not right


would say it takes next level like it's not right at all to take something so sensitive and lie about it so all the people that are lying about it should not do that because it is very very sacred to people that have experienced it um so i think that but the ones that have been through it i mean i i obviously feel i feel something about that and it should not happen and we all have to collectively work in our own capacity to make spaces comfortable and safe for people yeah you're doing it right now like as in i mean by putting it out there yeah i hope and i want to manifest that not only for my space but for all spaces who are the stars who you give sort of the early opportunities you know why i'm asking you this right to ask you the blueprint in terms of you gave the blueprint on what you do pre uh being casted so there's the area of course which was came to me there he was not casted uh so we jumped in and


was not casted uh so we jumped in and we tested like pretty much the whole of bombay and more and then it was a very curated process of a bunch of people shortlisted and then they came about but he was not a part of this i mean he was a part of this world in the sense he was acting he did a small part in uri and then he did 83 but this was his first like full-fledged part uh so i think it's a lot of and i'm still in that process even project takoli was very big in the social media content creation world but has never done anything in acting before so mismatch the whole cast is uh put together by me when the show came to me there was nobody on the show i would like to see that a lot of people in and around me have got opportunities and they are happy with it i see them flourishing and that makes me happy i've i've not made no deepika padukone she's made herself because she's worked really


she's made herself because she's worked really hard and she's made herself and i don't think anyone has made anyone other than the people that have worked hard to get there i've known project since 2015 and she's probably been one of my closest friends in my own journey because he started at roughly the same time there's like a lot of family energy there okay i know her inside out and i have so much to say about her yeah the primary adjectives adjectives whatever the primary words being discipline and integrity these are two key factors and i think that's responsible for everything that's happened yeah as a casting director what did you see in project firstly uh not enough i get a lot of this question asked of like oh influencer content creator kulia because they have big following and all there's also a lot of jealousy around her and i'm gonna like say that yeah for like a lot of people are jealous that she got it uh especially those who want to transition to the acting


uh especially those who want to transition to the acting yeah sure i know that i want to be near the world of films people have begun to really get jealous about her yeah uh her inner core is cheering for corporate girl but i don't think anything's gonna stop that girl but i feel uh project eyes are very i'm glad that you brought that up because she's a good example when she came to us she came in for an audition and let me start with saying that she is where she is and she has got the opportunities that she's got because she's a phenomenal actor we'll start with that i think she did so much of that editing and shooting and all of that on her own at home behind closed doors that she self-learned she just learned how to be an actor and she's bloody good at it so when she came in for the test for um to be very honest like even akash and the director's producers they'd heard of ha nam soon as but in the


they'd heard of ha nam soon as but in the film industry people didn't quite know her as much in the content world she was huge but not all of the people in the film world know all of the people in the content world dude tell me one thing and this i'm asking you both as a professional and as just like a conversation like as a friend yeah um one thing i've noticed and this is something i noticed through conversation with women yeah is that uh when y'all are growing up in indian society one you'll have to face this weird latent sexism yeah second you'll have to face uh sort of the notion that your value is attached to your age is that true like and even in your industry like i remember i met a star for some something you're working on and out of respect when i switched to hindi like i have a hindi brand as well yeah so my automatic thing is oh uh i say xyz g just out of respect that person got offended dude and i'm like why and


person got offended dude and i'm like why and and she got like really offended and that's why i realized age is a sensitive thing for a lot of people in your industry especially with the girls yeah i think even with the guys but it's a lot more the girls yeah tell me about it because i always get this it's really funny you laugh i and i'm so over that right i'm putting it out there for actors also i always get this my age is 28 but my screen age is 22. i'm like buddy that time is gone just tell me how old you are so so this happens a lot of times yes we do get a lot of that in casting i've been trying to change that notion be proud of your age man don't try to hide it you will get opportunities if you're 30 and you look 24 25 i already know that you don't have to tell me that what i love about hollywood daniel craig tom hardy uh gerard butler all i mean


tom hardy uh gerard butler all i mean i'm just even the guys i'm sure that our female i'm adding to the narrative hollywood people i'm sure i'm sure meryl streep i don't know i don't think this age thing it just needs to leave the building it doesn't matter how old you are and if you look younger than a casting director or a producer or director can already see that that you have the tendency to look younger or you can be made into if you're 30 you can look 25 you already know that but no you don't need to come in and say that you're 34 but you your screen age is 22 that's completely nuts i don't lie about my age i don't need to because uh so i think even for women uh it's okay women or men or whoever even with men i to be honest little bit you are right i've seen this a little bit more with women than i have seen it with men uh but as they grow older especially as actors they