but about 11 years ago i left the monastery so i'm no longer a monk anymore i'm a priest so i think in north india you call it a pundit you know so as you know are you are you a hindu yes sir so in hinduism you know that two pounds was the path of the monastic and the path of the grihasta householder right so priests or pundits fall under the category of greenhouse gases so i'm a very hospitable i'm not a monk anymore and this is the traditional uh dress of uh of a cyber shy right hindu priest right so i belong to the shaivite set of hinduism so i'm married i i have a daughter i am an entrepreneur i i work i have money obviously when i lived as a monk for 10 years i lived in brahmacharya life i didn't work i mean i worked for my guru and it's hard enough but i wasn't earning money or anything like that so i'm


wasn't earning money or anything like that so i'm no longer a monk anymore just to start the stage clear on that point uh in terms of my morning routine um i wake up in the morning i uh get my daughter ready for school that's where i spend the first 45-50 minutes of the day getting her ready for school and then um then i do my sardines for like an hour in the morning i usually do it longer but now it's 45 to 50 minutes because i have a daughter and are you allowed to explain the sadhana just a little bit like just yeah yeah i can share some of it so i do a traditional uh puja so i do that and then part of that you know it's a lot of chanting and stands for you know i follow a traditional uh ritual that i learned in the monastery it includes also uh and then i do a meditation at the end of it i do affirmations to impress my subconscious mind to set a very clear intention


my subconscious mind to set a very clear intention of what it is i want in my life so that's pretty much my sadhana in the morning and then when when i'm done with that i basically um get to work so i'm in costa rica now i was living in new york for the last 10 11 years we just moved here about five months ago we're building an ashram here in australia uh where we have 33 acres of land so we're creating a botanical garden and an ocean or a retreat a learning center i would say and um so i focus on that and then i focus on different parts of my business so the rest of days pretty much work and then around 4 30 4 45 i stop i take my daughter to the beach because we live very close to the beach so we go there and we play for like an hour hour and a half when i come home i date her and dress up we have dinner together and we eat it and i will sleep and then


and we eat it and i will sleep and then i hang out with my wife a little while and then i work and then i go to sleep that's my routine do you do you have any nighttime meditation or anything like that no i don't do any meditation at night i um i i do an affirmation at night before i go to sleep that's something that's i've been doing for decades every night before i go to sleep so for me one of the biggest things i learned from my guru it's not really the the quantity that you do in the day but rather the quality and and the other critical thing is the preparation right what am i doing throughout the day to prepare for my one hour of saturn in the morning wow so for example i mean as time goes on as my daughter's only two and a half years old so as she gets older she'll eat less and less you know effort for me to aggressor or peter or this or that right so you know and then i


this or that right so you know and then i can hopefully put more time into my time enough i'll give you an example so you've heard of usain bolt of course the sprinkler i don't know much about it but i'll make a few assumptions and you tell me my assumptions are right or wrong fastest man on this i think still 100 meters 100 meters whatever it is won logical medals from jamaica the boy goes to the gym i think is ripped at least when he was competing he was just not an ounce of cattlemen i'm sure he runs every day right i'm sure he stretches drinks plenty of water eats healthy food his whole day is preparing him for 9.56 seconds you know or whatever it was to win the 100 meter race it's not the other way around whereas a lot of people in the world take their approach that oh meditate for half an hour meditate for an hour or two hours and then the rest of the day i can just go and


the rest of the day i can just go and do whatever the hell i want to do whereas if you look at your whole day as a practice to prepare you for it's a better approach that means all day so when i sit down to do sadhana i need to be able to keep my awareness my mind focused on the puja so i'm doing a project to the civil engineer i need to be able to focus on that for planting the mantra offering flowers milk water whatever it is if i get distracted then i'm no longer doing my puja right so the the critical thing here is that i practice focus throughout the day so that when it actually comes to the puja time i'm completely depressed so now when i'm at the beach with my daughter i'm completely present with her i'm speaking to my wife i'm completely present i'm speaking with you i'm completely present because i have the ability to focus because that's what i'm doing all day and practicing and practicing


i'm doing all day and practicing and practicing and practicing does that make sense yeah of course when people say that eventually your entire life needs to become a meditation i think this is the breakdown of that exact statement that one thing granted i want to interrupt here is it's really critical to use the right words because it's better to say your whole day becomes a practice because then how do you differentiate between you sitting down cross-legged with your eyes closed breathing that's meditation and then when you're talking to someone you say that's meditation too and then when you're eating it's meditation now you're using one word to describe a hundred different things so you're doing an interview with me you're having a conversation with me right you call it a podcast interview when you talk to your friend or your mother your father or your uncle do you call it a podcast interview no no right when you talk to the chai wallah and you're telling me you want a cup of chai is


telling me you want a cup of chai is that a podcasting tv you very specific believe this is how it can be so when you say the whole day becomes a meditation you're using one word to describe so many different experiences which doesn't make sense to me so you can say my whole day is a practice of being present through the outer concentration of being focused when i sit down close my eyes and go within i'm meditating does that make sense yeah 100 um just for the amateur listeners there's a couple of things i want to highlight one is that to get to the stage of practice that uh sir speaking of it takes some time so try doing it and if your head starts slipping away pull it back to the activity you're doing pull it back to the conversation you're in that's what builds focus over time and the second thing i'd love to highlight is uh this is just an assumption that tends to happen on the indian internet people assume that every time we speak to anyone


people assume that every time we speak to anyone who's involved in any kind of spiritual practice this has a religious tonality but these kind of conversations when we're speaking about focus mantra chanting it's devoid of religion or religious practices whatever your religion is whatever religion you belong to you can incorporate these practices along with practices from your own religion make your own version of it but the goal is to kind of stay in the moment yeah and to experience that moment that you crafted for yourself that you created yourself right and i think one of the other you know i i love traveling my family's from sri lanka so i'm sri lanka ancestry but india is my favorite country in the world i love going to india i love traveling whenever i go to india one of the common things either i hear in india or i hear people post on my social media platforms is that you need to get to a certain stage in life before you can start meditating or


stage in life before you can start meditating or worshiping or doing chanting you don't that's that's a big misconception why do you need to get to a certain stage this is not a a university this is not something that you need a degree in order to do just start doing you know you don't need to be anything more special than who you are today to just begin to meditate or to begin to start a spiritual practice yeah so they say that content drives culture so the kind of lives we live are in a huge way driven by the content we consume and we're living in an age of hyper short content you have instagram reels you have short content like on tick tock 30 second videos 15 second videos and they say that the long-term effects of that is that our attention spans become lower so that's a menace that an entire generation will have to fight now opposed to that it's practices like these which will actually combat the effects of content like that where you try staying in


effects of content like that where you try staying in a moment completely you try listening to a deep long conversation like this with your full focus you keep bringing back uh you know the most intense parts of your mind into your daily life but what would you have to say about that you know the way the modern day forms of content are affecting the mind do you believe that it is because i certainly do yeah no 100 so imagine if i'm just watching 30 second rails right i'm watching for 30 seconds and then whatever algorithm is feeding me the next reel you know and and it could be something i'm totally uninterested in and then i could watch that for five seven seconds and then go like i'm not interested so i swipe and go to the next thing now i'm training my awareness to only be on one thing for that limited period of time whether it's 30 seconds or five seconds or one second there's a saying i have called uh the law i have i call the law of practice


the law i have i call the law of practice meaning whatever it is you practice is what you become good at so if i practice concentration every day i become good at concentration if i practice distraction all day i become really good at distraction so imagine if i'm jumping from one thing to another you know every 10 or 15 seconds because being trained by social media to do that what would i become good at i become good at keeping my focus as for as long as 15 seconds so now i'm having a conversation with you and after 15 seconds my subconscious challenged my mind it's time to shift to something else very funny did you say something yeah and then i become a master that i become good at whatever it is i practice and this is where everybody needs to make a choice right really and that's why i started at the beginning saying that we need to make the case we need to convince ourselves that is this the way i want to live i'm not saying one way


i want to live i'm not saying one way is the correct way in one way is an incorrect way at the end of the day what do you want in your life if you want to live a truly rewarding life a profound life and to be able to experience these things that you're creating in your life the food that you choose to buy and eat the vacation that you choose to buy and go on the people that you choose to spend time with then you really need to be able to host because if you can't focus how can you actually enjoy that person listen to them enjoy what they're sharing with you and enjoy that chat experience you can't you only would have an attention span of 15 or 30 seconds before you shift to something else and then at the end of your life you'll have a trillion shallow experiences nothing deep and profound yeah that's why the future is looking a little bleak when it comes to behavioral patterns that's why they call our generation the generation full of mental health issues


call our generation the generation full of mental health issues uh all these things add up uh before we speak about mental health i'd love to speak about a word you mentioned a couple of times and i don't think that the modern day human knows much about this concept the word you mentioned is affirmations so could you explain what affirmations are and how they can change the human experience and i ask you that because um you know there's this saying again from the world of spiritualism that ye which basically means the world is a simulation and if you want through your own willpower and your actions you can alter that simulation just a little bit for your own long-term benefit and for your own long-term peace which is a greater concept than just long-term benefit but i'd love for you to expand on that thought so yeah so affirmation you you could say another word of the sanctuary word would be mantra and obviously mantra is a broader word you know but basically what it is it's through a repetition


but basically what it is it's through a repetition of words you can create patterns or impressions on your subconscious mind so a simplified way to look at the mind is you can look at the minds and having three states you have the conscious mind which is the external mind it's tied to your physical body you have the subconscious mind so you could say if you drew a three-story building your conscious mind would be on the ground the subconscious would be on the second floor the sub launch is basically what it is it's a it's a hard drive every experience you've ever had in your life gets stored in the subconscious whether you remember it or you don't remember it gets registered then any information you consume gets stored in the subconscious and then the third area of the mind uh state of mind would be the super conscious that's the highly intuitive creative spiritual so when you repeat something over and over again and again repetition and practice does not have the ability to discriminate whether it's good for you or


ability to discriminate whether it's good for you or not good for you so if i repeat a pattern that's negative my mind doesn't tell me stop doing that i'm doing something wrong right it will just create the pattern in the subconscious so one way to create patterns within the subconscious is to use an affirmation and that affirmation consists of three components a concise choice of positive words clear visualization a corresponding visualization and then a corresponding feeling the feeling is the most important part of an affirmation a lot of people say affirmations by just saying words i am happy and words alone is not enough to create the effect of the impression in the subconscious that would then result in in some benefit that you would want so you would have to use a combination of words visualization and feeling got it so what i would recommend is that you know it's really important that before you create an affirmation that you be very clear what it is you want because if you're not clear what you want then


want because if you're not clear what you want then you're going to be creating something when it actually manifests you may not be happy with the result of it but also yeah could you give an example to explain this thought uh like how it can go wrong yeah so for example people say affirmations because they heard it on the podcast and they think affirmations are really good so they say something like um you know maybe they're business owner and they have five they see like five clients a week so they go like oh i want to see 20 points a week so they start saying an affirmation i would say 25 so they call stream class a week and because their mind is very strong and they're able to manifest that now all of a sudden they've created a situation that could be overwhelming to them they don't have the infrastructure within the business to actually support having 20 clients you know they don't have systems and processes in place to be able to handle that change so whatever it is you're planning for


that change so whatever it is you're planning for you need to make sure that you are in a place that you can handle what's coming your way right because if you can't handle what's coming your way then instead of it being a boon it can really be a problem and now a lot of people also say affirmations without actually knowing that they're saying an affirmation so you know you you hear a lot of teenagers you know like especially teenage girls or younger teenagers who also say things like oh i'm not beautiful i'm too i'm too fat i am my nose is too big my hips are too wide that's an affirmation now imagine if every day you wake up you go to the bathroom you pick up a toothbrush you're brushing your teeth and going my nose is too big i hate my nose and i don't like the shape of my eyes you know when my head is too long now every morning you say that affirmation five six times i hate myself i'm


affirmation five six times i hate myself i'm unhappy what are you going to be after six months so you have a podcast show right yes how long have you been doing a club we're at about 140 episodes so a little more than almost a couple of years now how many how many listeners roughly average ah i don't know the exact stats where the number one in india so whatever it takes to be top in india okay would you wake up every morning and say i have the worst podcast show and it's failing your wedding no no i'll give you a hundred rupees no no i wouldn't 100 rupees you wouldn't write because you know by creating that affirmation you're creating something that's negative right so imagine that people woke up every day so many people have mental mental health issues because they don't realize that on a daily basis they're saying affirmations to themselves that are detrimental to your life i'm unhappy and sad i'm really bad at remembering names have


and sad i'm really bad at remembering names have you ever had people say that yeah i always forget now i'm really bad at movies i remember i met a lady when she said like oh i always burn my food when i cook it and i said to her of course you do because that's what you tell yourself every single day yeah um you know the energy you put out into the universe returns to you through the universe so the food you're cooking the money you're making the people you meet are all the universe speaking to you in different forms but you've got to put out the positivity you've got to put out you know the correct kind of affirmations and that's why the follow-up question to you is that would it be right to have affirmations like i am going to be a billionaire i am going to be happy i am going to find my perfect partner for my life or is this also too extreme an energy to put out no i i think that affirmation needs to be clear


i i think that affirmation needs to be clear but the affirmation needs to be relative to where you are today so for example if you're earning 500 a month in salary and your affirmation is every day i'm going to be a billionaire it's a big leap to go from five hundred dollars a month to the winner and and that's why most of the time new year's resolutions don't work for people right you know at the end of december everybody comes up with an affirmation oh i'm going to start doing this you know in 2022 or 2021 i'm going to start meditating i remember someone said to me you know starting daily request i'm going to be mad i'm going to meditate every day for half an hour i said i'm wonderful that's great meditation is a wonderful practice actually do you meditate now he goes no and i go how the hell are you going to meditate half an hour every day so if i don't run every day and i say to myself


don't run every day and i say to myself that starting monday i'm going to run five miles everywhere is it possible no the mind is a muscle right and if i want to build my muscle i need to build it in incremental steps so i always tell people to look at the mind the same way you look at muscles so for example if i go to the gym and i bench press 20 kilos every day for two weeks after two weeks of bench pressing 20 kilos should i go from 20 to 22 or should i go from 20 to 80. only your 2kg increment probably a two is good right two or one and a half or three the mine's the same way you want to change your mind you need to change it in incremental steps if you put a bigger leap you can't make the connection from here to here so think but it's important to have the destination outline right so for example i'm in delhi i want to go to rishikesh and i want to walk then that's


to rishikesh and i want to walk then that's my goal so you know it's what six hour eight hour car ride depending on traffic you know so i have my destination then what's my first step the first step i need to get out of ground for example that's going to take me five hours you know and then and then from there i need to go to the next step and the next step so have the big destination but your affirmation should be based on the small pebbles small steps that you want to go so you do an affirmation to get to a once you get to a create a new affirmation to get to b once you get to the create a new affirmation to get to sleep does that make sense and then yeah pressing all the time two cable increments and you're growing and building your muscles yeah along with real world actions real world tasks real world schedules and task lists exactly and i think that's the thing right is a lot of people think that the universe is going


a lot of people think that the universe is going to help me you know all i have to do is sit here and believe and the universe is going to provide if i had a if i had one rupee every time someone said that to me i'd be a billionaire the universe is going to provide for me i i hate to say this but it's just a new splash for all people listening the universe doesn't really care about you in the sense that what is the universe if i for me the definition of the universe is galaxy the sun jupiter mass pluto saturn the planets around you think they're sitting around every weekend going how can we make language like that what can you do for him do you think that's what the planets are sitting down and discussing you today no right so you have to have real world tangible actions right you have to have a plan you have to have a strategy you have to learn you have to grow you have to change and i think the


to grow you have to change and i think the biggest thing people don't realize about the mind and and also information part of moving from a to b is you have to leave the a mindset and you have to create a b mindset in order to function b and if you want to go from b to c then you need to change your mindset from a b minus that to a c mindset you can't expect to go to c and still maintain a b minor is that nice yeah 100 i would still love to ask you about relationships from the perspective of your own marriage what have you learned about attracting the right kind of partner into your life and you know what can a young person think about the concept of attracting the right kind of partner because that's a question a lot of people have i think the the first step would be the clarity of what what is it do you want in your life in a partner right you know you're looking to have someone as uh as a plane for six


to have someone as uh as a plane for six months do you wanna someone that you'd be married to for the rest of your life you know and have a family with and if that's the case then what are the characteristics uh in a person that you're looking for and those characteristics uh have to be aligned with your non-negotiable characteristics right so for example one of my personal principles is is non-violence right i think some no violence in in thought word indeed right always there's always you can always be kind right so i have zero tolerance for violence so in my partner i need her to emulate that as well so if she comes up to me if i meet a girl and you know i think she's amazing but she says you know what i like to get into fights it's my thing you know i go out at night i go to dark alleys and get into fist fights you're like no we're not aligned so i would say the first step is identify inside of yourself what


say the first step is identify inside of yourself what are your non-negotiations in terms of your qualities right and then see if you can find someone who reflects those same non-negotiable qualities as well but i think the big thing to keep in mind is that you know you talked about social media earlier and what's being fed to us so much is being fed to us about what type of partner we should have right and i think especially in india you know you guys produce a movie every five seconds in your country right and look at all the men and women in those movies you take a typical bollywood movie and you have a stunningly beautiful woman and a really hot guy and that's all you see you see a love story right bollywood loves to churn out love stories i mean i've seen a bunch of holiday movies i haven't seen you know stuff from you know uh kerala or karnataka or you know movies and stuff but it's similar right so now your impression in your mind is that's


so now your impression in your mind is that's how reality should be what do we talk about affirmations right three things impress the money words visualization and feeling that's exactly what a movie is made up of words visualization and feeling and do you know how much time spent into scripting those perfect words in the movie those editors sat down and wrote and wrote and edited till they got the words perfectly right now when i'm speaking with you it's not you'll hear me in the replay and you're like why is it taking so long to explain well because it's spontaneous but in the movie it's scripted second the visualization this makeup perfect lighting everything the whole scene is set right perfectly and then feeling there's music you got maybe a ramen you know creating beautiful music and everything what you're seeing in that five seconds probably took hours and days to craft right and that's impressing your mind now young people in india sitting there watching these movies being produced all over india of a


these movies being produced all over india of a love story and they have the words the perfect words the perfect pictures and the perfect feeling impressing their subconscious mind they walk away and they go that's how logic that's what a relationship should be you know it's the uh priyanka chopra or the i don't know who else you know that's the uh that's the perfect goal for me you know look at her how it lights up in the sun yeah of course there's a guy with a fan blowing and the lighting perfectly set up and and i think we need to be able to discriminate between what is being fed to us from movies tv shows and social media right have you seen people take selfies girls are notorious for this right they sit there take 50 photos before they get the perfect one and then spend another 10 minutes tweeting it before they post it online now you think they look like that every day i can assure you they don't yeah so we need to discriminate between what is


yeah so we need to discriminate between what is truly non-negotiable that's important that's aligned with our purpose in life and what is not and what has been fed to us by by the world and that's one way to ensure that you find the right person that's aligned with you so keep thinking of the traits that you want rather than what the world tells you you should want exactly yeah because what the world tells you is what they're selling you as entertainment that's the industry right but what are the traits you want you know and those traits need to be aligned and when you outline the traits you should outline the difference between negotiable and non-negotiable so for example my wife loves cats i don't really like cats but that falls in my negotiable area i'm willing to have a cat in the house it's not a non-negotiable but if my wife is violent then that's great is it also true that in affirmations you're not supposed to say i don't want xyz because they say that the


say i don't want xyz because they say that the universe or maya doesn't understand negatives so if you say oh i don't want someone who is uh mean then you'll get someone who's mean but if you think of that same statement like i want someone who is kind you'll get someone kind yeah the whole idea is think of affirmations as creating patterns in the mind what happens do i want to create so if i use negative sense i don't want someone who is equal that's the pattern i'm creating in my mind right that pattern starts to vibrate with a certain frequency and its answer attracts that so replace the words of i don't want or hate with with uh with positive words i want someone who is compassionate empathetic loving kind instead of saying i don't want someone who's hateful angry jealous and egotistical i mean there's a hundred podcasts inside you and i can keep going on but the one question that's burning inside me is the question about your story who were you before


is the question about your story who were you before you became what the world knows you as now i was this person i think uh you know in the sense that i'm so grateful to my group for having trained me you know for all when when he was alive because i feel that everybody should have a mentor or multiple mentors but you know um i i even right now have a mentor i have a few uh entrepreneur mentors that you know business people that entrepreneurs that train me in business and teach me how to be a better entrepreneur so you know i think i was the same person i was back then in the sense of the person that wanted to lead a a rewarding life and a person that wanted to grow and pursue on the spiritual path i've changed in the sense that you know the more work on i do on myself the more i'm able to look at myself and see what my shortcomings are what my negative patterns are my the areas that i need to improve on which


my the areas that i need to improve on which is a lot so then begins a process of how do i pick and choose what i want to work on first what are small term short-term projects and what are long-term projects so i think at the very core i you know it's the same person but i've changed a lot in terms of my thinking my behavior i still have a long way to go but yeah because i don't know if i answered your question well no don't don't worry about it so like i mean you know we will take whatever answers we're getting from you in this conversation at least um are you allowed to speak about any kind of mystical experiences you had during your training because i do believe that there are some some sort of mystical experiences that maybe the world of science hasn't yet discovered but we'll discover maybe in the next 10 to 20 years some kind of highlights that the average person wouldn't believe yeah i part of our tradition in the monastery is that


part of our tradition in the monastery is that we don't speak about it okay okay at least in migration right and and and one of the reasons behind it is then you end up creating this um already people look at me especially people from india they look at me and they see the way i'm dressed like this and they go oh andi guruji maharaj and they think i'm some holy person that walks in water and levitates every day i am not i i'm a regular person like you i eat just like you i go to the bathroom i get sick uh i get annoyed i get tired every now and then i get a little cranky you know i i'm not anybody special and if i were to share with you a mystical experience that was very profound it would only make me more special to those people and i don't want to be any more special i am not i'm just no different than you the only difference is that i'm clear what i want in my life


is that i'm clear what i want in my life and and i'm very determined to get that and i'm not going to compromise on my on my journey to get what i want to get to you know maybe that's the mystical aspect this unwavering focus and this powerful determination i'm sure it's come out of a place of strong belief and i'm sure you've seen things that have kind of strengthened that focused muscle but people who have a lot of focus also have the ability to learn a lot and once you've got the ability to learn a lot you've also got the ability to kind of i won't say predict the future but kind of assume or draw out a possible future so i mean in these last two days we're seeing these massive uh rise in cases of kovid in india especially mumbai and delhi are overrun i can i can feel it in the air you know it's just not a positive atmosphere everyone's worried everyone's not in a good state of mental health what is


not in a good state of mental health what is happening in this world like what is the significance of covet how will this generation remember covet and how do you think it's going to change the world well i think the biggest thing is that you know uh covet is happening because pandemics happen in the world you know we've had plays we have the bad black plague we have the bubonic plague i mean i don't know all the names but we've had so many plagues in the past i mean if you look in the past millions of people died right i think it was the bubonic plague in europe i think it was like 30 40 million deaths so something crazy now it's only three million so we're we're doing much better than we did in the past right the population was less the greater deaths so sadly we've lost three million people but we're actually handling this better than we've ever had in the history of humankind i think the biggest thing people can do with


i think the biggest thing people can do with covet is use this as an opportunity to really reassess their life and for me that's the perspective i'm taking right this is such it's very rare in the world we have one experience where everybody is affected by usually there's a war in the middle east or there's a war here or a famine here but only that country or neighboring countries get affected by it but now and no one is safe right the whole world has been so how do we look at covert and go what can we learn from this how can this change my life do i want to keep the living the same way i was living pre-covert in post-quoted era or do i want to change and what is the change that i want i think the biggest thing couple of things people should really take away from this is that life is fragile life is truly truly fragile to think that you're going to live forever is one of the biggest mistakes that you you can do


of the biggest mistakes that you you can do for yourself you know look at the number of people that are drawing them and how many people are losing loved ones for recovery you have to understand first life is fine right life is spread or you can die at any point in time then ask yourself what do i want in this life have that crystal clear clarity of what it is you want then have a plan to execute that and if you don't know how to get from where you are today to where your goal is ask for help you need humility humility is critical you talk about you said earlier that you know people with focus one of the things they they do is they like to learn right but two things are really important here with regards to learning one is that don't learn a lot of things learn the things that will help you to get where you need to get to because when you consume tremendous amount of information and you don't process that information and form conclusions from it you create


process that information and form conclusions from it you create clutter in the subconscious and that clutter that comes in the subconscious leads to indecisiveness um the mind always working when you lay down and sleep you're constantly thinking that comes from the climate subconscious and the second thing is humility you have to have humility right all the most successful people in the world have great deals of humility because they're willing to be humble understanding that they don't know what they don't know and they need to learn and grow how do you be humble you learn to serve you learn to serve up with people you learn to say what can i do for this person what can i do for the environment what can i do how can i make a difference every day you make it your goal to have one act of surplus service every day just whether it's opening a door for somebody when they're coming out of the building you know you see someone going to starbucks and buying a cup of you know leaving with two


buying a cup of you know leaving with two cups of coffee in their hand open the door for them that's an act of service just do one thing and india is great for that right and just you know there's so much you can learn about service in india what what a great thing because that will teach you to be more humble when you're more humble you can learn to you understand that you don't know when you understand that you don't know you can learn and grow but learn and grow within the area of what you're pursuing right so i'm pursuing a certain things i'm not going to go and learn about you know programming because that's not aligned with where would that make sense [Music] again every single podcast for me is a personal growth experience that i'm putting out for this community we've built out uh on a very personal level i'm not in a good space right now i'm just super tired i've not got a break in like a month i've had like working


a break in like a month i've had like working sundays because there's like four projects i'm building simultaneously and it's just taking a lot out of me i meditate every night or at least i try to do some kind of practice every night whether that's deep yoga deep pranayams some prayer something and i think that that's what's kept me going uh i also believe i'm pretty uh ahead of people my age in terms of mental toughness but even i'm breaking right now and this might just be the cabin vivo because of all the covert around us how do you work that muscle how do you take that further how do you take that mental toughness further how do you combat poor phases of mental health it's probably the last thing i'd want to ask you today so yeah i would say a couple of things here one is that i think if you're an entrepreneur like you and you have goals and dreams involving something i think it's really important to acknowledge and understand


i think it's really important to acknowledge and understand that they're going to be really tough and if you think they're not going to be tough times and it's always beautiful and you know balanced then you're mistaken there are times when i feel like i'm going to be broken especially in the last few months moving from new york in colbert with a small child to costa rica getting set up here again it was really really difficult you know it was very very challenging there were times where i felt that it was breaking and for me you know i always remember what my guru always says are you doing uh you know are you doing your practices and your practices is what keeps you strong so i think that's the critical thing right so if you're a religious person or a spiritual person then establish some fundamental spiritual consciousness so for example for yourself you know you're hindu for me i'm a hindu the one practice is you know at the very minimum if it's a crazy day and i


very minimum if it's a crazy day and i don't have to i i'm not able to sit down for the hour i always go and see ganesha right i always go and signature i offer him a flower i light a lamp i lied an incense i talked to him and i said dude you gotta help me right and ganesha is always there for me i've known him my whole life and uh he's always there for me so he it's the bare minimum right and i think that's one thing that's critical so i think a couple of things so one understanding that there's always going to be difficult times you know and that's part of how it is and second establish a routine and if you're spiritual then have a deeper spiritual connection with with your religion or your deities so if you're a christian or muslim or whatever faith you might be a buddhist have a spiritual practice and with your hindu then have as a basic minimum you know even on a really tough day so


minimum you know even on a really tough day so like for example you have four projects going at the same time you know you're flat out working seven days a week maybe 16 hours a day 17 hours a day lighter lamb to ganesha you know light a little candle offer him a flower right and just say that's all i got today i i don't have anything else but that's all i got in asia and you know i i need your strength and that's enough right in terms of having that basic thing and then you build back from there and you go back and to me that's that's critical right not letting go of that routines that you have that's what keeps you strong and keeps you pushy and we all need external help you know we all need help we can never do this alone you have a team helping you with filming this podcast don't you you can't do it alone it's a team that's helping you for me team helping you edit it post it all these kind of


helping you edit it post it all these kind of things so the same way you need people to help you in life and sometimes those people are physically present and some of those people in my life are not physically present the mystical beings that live in the devil okay in the inner worlds that help and guide me in the work that i do and it's yes important 100 one thing i've learned from all these spiritual practices lighting lamps uh shedding tears in front of god in front of photos of god uh murtis books i've realized the power of these beings again it's something you can't wrap your head around if you've not experienced it yourself but if you do wish to experience it it'll happen through practice if you do wish to experience it it'll happen when you acknowledge that complete higher power above you or multiple higher powers above you and above all everyone's got their own image of god it could just be stars and galaxies it could be that one human being in the sky it


could be that one human being in the sky it could be angels but you've got to believe in that and just let your problems out there um that's a way i've kind of helped my own mental health but it's not something that people can wrap their minds around not everybody can and and i think you know it's really important that if you are offered particulars faith you know whether you're a christian you can do good as you know muslim whatever you may be what does your faith teach you you know what are the practices and then use those practices to connect with those deities with those angels and whatever maybe and and ask for the help you know then obviously if you're non-religious then you have to lean on your own spine or the people in in your life but the one concept i do want to mention because you said something interesting and for all the your hindu listeners you know quite often people will say like oh god and they look at the sky god is in in heaven


they look at the sky god is in in heaven all right my question is if you're in no the earth is round right i believe in that concept some people think the earth is flat but i i buy into the concept that earth is around if you're in norway and you're pointing up you're pointing in one direction if you're in sydney australia and you're pointing up you're pointing in a different direction so which one is up and will confuse you get my point yeah yeah yeah so as a hindu you don't want to say point out because god is not up there there is no up when you're on a up is 360 degrees in different directions you want to say god is within you you know or in the deva local the astral planes which exists right here right now but in most subtle frequencies that most people can't see you know but i can feel experience through temples and sacred sites and stuff so say divinity inside of me would do anything around us that's that's very


me would do anything around us that's that's very critical could you expand a little bit on dave looks and the astral planes around us i'm sure you know people would love to hear more about it yeah so there's basically uh three planes of existence that's the physical plane which is right here right now uh they call the buloka and then there's a devaloka which is the astral plane and then that's what's called the causal plane the shivaloka which is a more subtle thing the best way to look at it is there's a beautiful saying by nikola tesla and he said if you want to find the secrets of the universe think in terms of energy frequency and vibration so if you want to find the secrets of the universe think in terms of energy frequency and vibration nicola tesla same way it very much encapsulates hindu philosophy because in hinduism there is no heaven somewhere else that plains of existence so for example if you take tesla's words of thinking in terms of energy


take tesla's words of thinking in terms of energy frequency and vibration everything is made up of energy and that energy is vibrating at a certain frequency so the physical plane is existing between i'm going to make up some numbers just say for example between 40 and 16 kilohertz i don't know what the numbers are i'm just giving an example right so physical plane is between 40 and 60 and then the astral plane the davaloka is between 60 and 80 and then the causal plane would be between 80 and 100. so because we exist in the physical plane between 40 and 60 that's the frequency that we can see now some people have the ability to see past the 40 to 60 range maybe they can see 40 to 61. so they can see a little bit into that devil look at the astroplane they can see people who have died they might be able to see some auras they might be able to see some angelic beings or even negative beings right asuras like negative entities right but but most people can


asuras like negative entities right but but most people can see that 40 to 60 range frequency range in the physical plane so uh our goal is to through puja through rituals through temples and i'm talking specifically about hinduism because i'm a hindu and that's what i understand i i don't understand other religions through our rituals what we're trying to do is connect ourselves with beings in the developer we're trying to create a channel right so you invited me to this podcast you sent me a very specific zoom link right now if i use a different zoom link i wouldn't connect with you but if i use that a specific zoom length i can connect with you and have a conversation with you so if i want to connect with ganesha i would need to establish a shrine a new team do the rituals to establish the right frequency and vibration and then through chanting ganesha mantras i'm creating that right frequency where i can connect with him in the astral plane in the and when


with him in the astral plane in the and when the connection is perfect i can have a conversation and if the connection is not perfect then there's no correct words almost like the old radios you might see in your grandfather's house where you have to tune it you know you get to 94.5 fm you get a perfect music if you go to 94.6 fm there's a little bit of music and static 94.7 is just all static you have to hit the right frequency to get the music to come through it's the same with the tempo the tempo is like a radio that connects the lulo cloud the physical plane with the asphalt and when you can align the frequencies you can connect with these pages on the other side that's why when people say that they're divinely guided or they get information from outside of them this is what they basically mean so many people talk about intuitive nets all around us where if we're creating something those things already exist in the planes around us it's our job to go and


the planes around us it's our job to go and tap into those planes and get those into the physical plane uh right you need to live a lifestyle that allows you to be in the right mindset that can tap into the things that already exist 100 percent dandapani so thank you uh for opening up so much uh there's so many more things i wish to ask you which i know that i will over the years but for this particular episode i'm glad i could introduce you to some of our listeners of course i'll be linking all your handles down below so but i'd love for you to sign off with you know just maybe one little paragraph on what people should keep in mind at the end of this podcast because for me this was a coaching session in focus and peace so i would say my guru had a beautiful saying and he said uh life is meant to be lived joyously and i and i really love that life is meant to be live joyous we don't need a miserable


be live joyous we don't need a miserable life and in order to lead a joyous life become really clear what it is you want in life figure out big play of the goal figure out the path to get to the goal outline the path to get there and then begin on that journey to get there and if you don't know how to begin ask for help there's so much information we can gather nowadays there's so many people that are willing to help veganism the podcast you can read books and began their journey and then another saying that guru had was pursued with confidence and i really love that you know it's very empowering just believe you can do it and perceive your confidence and if you truly believe you can do it there's nothing to stop you from achieving anything that you want teaching beautiful proceed with confidence that's going to stay with me thank you again sir about thank you thank you that is the power of talking to monks and this is something i have


talking to monks and this is something i have discovered in my 20s i've had the opportunity to talk to so many people who've dedicated either the entire life or a section of their lives to monkhood very often people ask me that if i wasn't doing beer biceps what would i be doing maybe three four years back i would have said oh i would have been in some form of business but at this stage of my life i probably would say that i would have been into some form of monkhood because there is a certain joy associated with spiritual living a joy that's beyond the material world and i'm sure that if you guys have discovered some of the other spiritual conversations that have taken place on this show you will understand what i am saying there is a deep joy that can be found within meditation there is deeper joys that can be derived out of life when you meditate regularly and that was my big takeaway from this conversation focus does not only help your professional life


this conversation focus does not only help your professional life but an increased level of focus will also help you focus more on happiness and derive more happiness from daily life for more beautiful conversations like this make sure you follow the nvi show on spotify every episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world share this with your friends do like this video and please tell us in the comments who else would you like to see featured on the runway show i'm sure dandapani will be back on trs so make sure you prepare your questions for the legend make sure you follow us on twitter as well where you can actually be a part of the ranveer show thank you for listening i hope this one mentored you in the same way that it mentored me [Music] so [Music]


over the course of the runway show rarely have i been this excited to release a particular podcast we've already had devang kaplayal on the hindi podcast and it was one of the biggest hits that we've released on that channel this is devang taplyal's detailed journey as a himalayan rescue operative as an explorer he's seen parts of the himalayas that very few human beings have seen he's had experiences that you can't imagine be it seeing animals that aren't discovered by science yet be it some sort of alien-ish experience be it some metaphysical experiences this podcast is one of our richest episodes yet and if you enjoy conversations like this you're in for a treat on this one remember to follow the runway show on spotify there is spotify exclusive now which means every episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world this is devang kaplyal returning on the ranvi show opening up his mind opening up about all his adventures and


his mind opening up about all his adventures and giving us one of our best episodes yet enjoy the episode [Music] welcome to a special himalayan themed adventure themed outdoorsy themed episode of the rnv show with an outdoorsman an adventurer a rescue expert and an expert of so many things that we can't even speak about on the podcast nothing explicit but things that are classified mr devang taplia thank you for being on the runway show brother my honor we had an episode with you in hindi uh extended stories of yours how you've almost been eaten by a leopard how you have saved lives in the kedarana floods how you explored parts of the himalayas which people have probably not explored till that point uh you've seen a lot man just before this episode started rolling you're having a conversation about people who are mountaineers or who are the you know who are outdoorsy in their own ways a lot of them have seen and they uh have a certain level of


have seen and they uh have a certain level of i won't call it fear but some level of trauma in the eyes there's not that much trauma in your eyes because i feel you're one of those dudes who can switch off from his past and live in the present and you're also learning but if i had to ask you in all these years what's possibly the most traumatic thing on a personal level that you've seen on your adventures to begin with as you said being an expert of rescue i don't think i'm there yet but yeah this journey will continue and i don't want to set a place where it'll end i think it has to just keep continuing the graph should go up so i don't know i i will be an expert but yeah i will definitely be better than what i am and what i'm leaving behind is the past and i if i start to be with it i don't think i will be better in the present that i'm holding as right now uh i have


present that i'm holding as right now uh i have seen to answer a question specifically i have seen a lot of traumatic experiences and the day when i would see it that night would be the most horrible one to go to bed thinking about whatever took place to see as soon as i would walk off the bridge and at the back the bridge was gone the people who standing on the bridge were gone in a flood in a flood they were all washed away uh and then people dying in general it's not a sight no one voluntarily did what they suffered and wanted to be in that situation so to see people die has been traumatic to see things that have happened to me or the people i was working along with it's very dramatic but then i i don't want to be there in the past if i be there i i it will create a lot of problems a lot of hindrance for me in my present and then my future is going to get affected so yeah it it brings


is going to get affected so yeah it it brings tears to me as as we were speaking about it it just took me back to that specific incident where someone was dying right there and just died just passed away and was gone like there was a life there and there's the life is not there anymore so i was struggling with it for a while and how i recovered was like i started pinning down my emotions and i would burn that paper so once that paper is burned i think i've released a lot of energy just like that i don't want that thing in my life i'm sure i want to take good out of it and just the experience but i don't want my head to be there in that location or create any sort of post-traumatic stress so yeah i think you're forward your profession makes you prone to ptsd it can make you prone to ptsd yes very much because day in and out you are dealing at situations where either you are stuck by yourself and there is


either you are stuck by yourself and there is no one around you so your mind starts to play tricks against you and you can just hallucinate because you are high on altitude the oxygen is i wouldn't say it's it's still the same percentage of oxygen but then because of the altitude and the pressure the things start to mess up our brain is not getting the sufficient amount of oxygen as it was getting at the sea level so because of that hallucination happens and you just start to assume things which are not even true so any self-doubt that you have will get very exaggerated at high altitude and if that happens you are messing up with your own brain you are creating things which are not there you start to see things which are not even true so after 20 000 feet or when you're entering death zone it's better to have a clear mindset you should know your objective what you're there for and as clear you are the better it will be for you and the entire team


better it will be for you and the entire team the team that you're leading or any sort of people any any person that you're evacuating so having that clarity is very important uh else there is no point if the clarity is not there there's no point going up to that particular level or taking any sort of responsibilities and you know defining your objectives so yeah it's better to step back if there is any sort of stress i don't think people understand how large the himalayas are and how many incidents happen in those mountains so what would you actually define your job as like you're a rescue expert your rescue operator i wouldn't call myself a rescue operator but i am an outdoor leader so an experiential leader as well so what we do is there is this concept about teaching people through experiences most of the time it's students most of the time at other times there are people suffering from food disorders anxiety depressions so when any sort of these things are coming into picture


when any sort of these things are coming into picture or anyone who feels like he's having any such sort of issue they would come on an auto trip and there'll be a lot of learning that will happen most of the time i deal with students that will be my expertise i would say but yeah at times i've also taken people from ptsd's uh anyone suffering from uh societal tendencies to on a trip so experiential education would mean like you are there by yourself there'll be a lot of experience that you'll gain uh in terms of there'll be a lot of circumstances that will happen you'll have to build up team spirits you'll have to not just look and justify your own being over there but for the entire team you're not just cooking for yourself but for the entire team once that thing starts coming into inside your brain uh your brain starts to function in a different way uh what i would mean to say is like any sort of communication has to be clear because it will


sort of communication has to be clear because it will not give you second chance so it will give you second chance but then you have to improve if the communication has to be clear within the team because the wilderness is wilderness it is no help arriving uh very soon so it's better there should be efficiency that will develop over the period of three four days and then eventually after like fifth sixth day the person and the entire team comes together as one unit they start doing things within each other there are things that are already been resolved so you learn by experiences that would be experiential learning the other part of it uh so that's being one of my jobs and then uh i would also lead people on to the high altitude expeditions high altitude tricks so in those trips i am more like a trek leader who would help all these people to go up and come down safe so my priority is not always to go up but coming down safe is the most important thing i always would tell my


is the most important thing i always would tell my people that you know it's not important what's up there but coming down safe and letting the world know about it is what makes it important because most of the time when people are coming down that's when any sort of uh things may just go haywire and you know mayhem is created so it's better that you know you should always be able to figure out key okay you have to go up you have to come down and my job is just to make these people safe and sound bring them safe and sound back other thing that himalayas are huge uh they're very huge they are third most unexplored place of the world earth and what are the other two the arctic and the antarctic okay yeah now because they are melting they are not that much in area but himalayas are huge it will cover around 8 000 meters 8 thousand kilometers uh from the top to the uh northeast of india and then the altitude always plays a game so yeah there are a


altitude always plays a game so yeah there are a lot of passes mountain passes once once you are into a valley one wrong turn and you might end up in a valley and if you're not having basics clear about okay how to get out of this place or maybe the another level is the level that we operate at key you're not getting out of here safe but you also just being there you are safe being there itself as it as in you don't i wouldn't like to come out of the mountains unless it's required what i mean to say is key okay if i'm at standby if i'm at a place so i don't have to go to the market or any shop nearby to get all my essentials i can be there live there do what all is required to be there and survive have you done that ever like have you had a situation where you had to survive in the wilderness because you're lost yeah a couple of times like what had happened uh we were we were


like what had happened uh we were we were lost the the backpack got washed away so it was gone which had compass maps and all other essentials so for two three days we were in the wilderness and we were like okay which way we have to go so the plan was to be executed the plan was being made right then then and there if we leave right now we will most probably take two days to get out of the wilderness and in those two days it might happen that we might get lost more further and further again so why not just switch our tent over here we'll send one team we'll go forward and look hunt around the area and the other team will be here itself cook and you know once these people come back so provide them all sort of food and just make them comfortable once they are back so that line of action was been implemented we stayed there half of the team was there the rest of the team was looking for the safest exit out and the space exit out


the safest exit out and the space exit out is you have to most probably find a water source find a water source and then just follow the water source see where it's going and then head out or else if there's no water source just climb the highest peak that you see around and then find out which is which way you'll have to head out in the mountains the problem is once you go at a higher higher altitude you would feel like okay that place looks close but it actually like days apart it'll take you two three days to just go and inside the valleys navigate your way and then you know move out so yeah the most like what i figured out is for a newbie person who is stuck to get them out for people like us it is very essential to be comfortable in the wild itself in the nature itself the nature will feed us we have to understand okay what is what are the things which are edible and what are the things which are not edible because one single mistake


things which are not edible because one single mistake can probably take your life you'll be paralyzed something can happen some uh plant you ate which is which was not uh effective in that particular altitude so yeah it'll just be a wrong game so it's very important to know what are the berries that you're supposed to eat what are the things that you're not supposed to eat what sort of water how the water has to be purified so yeah all these things are there could you actually like take us to what you eat and drink like if you're actually lost what do you end up doing your first instinct is to hunt an animal hunt for fruit yeah hunting is the last resort okay it's it's the last resort we don't want to hunt anyone or anything which is not causing us harm but if if if there is something that's gonna cause us harm then in particular way the defense comes in and either one has to live so at times it has happened where one only one has to


it has happened where one only one has to live so you have to take that call okay it has to be you or either that animal or predator who will live or it will be you if there's another human i hope that situation never rises in wilderness when you're already down to like five four men and you're fighting against each other that should never happen a team should a team spirit is the most important thing that you should one should maintain up there to answer what all one can eat so if you are around the river fishes will be just a luxury and if not that as well any sort of insect that you see just eat it have you tried that like everything a snail uh not a frog but yeah but like you eat it raw yeah what does it taste like i don't know you don't think about taste at that particular time yeah you just gulp it with water wow wow like a pill yeah so and if you're lucky if you have water most of the time water


lucky if you have water most of the time water isn't there so you just grab it and you kill it and then yeah most of the time it depends like you're not thinking that deep about it you just find an insect because it takes a lot of it test a lot of patience for you to find an insect in a tree bark somewhere or ants around or any sort of you know insect small big lards you just grab it and the patience is the patience is almost killing you about you being hungry something to get inside your stomach and feed you and then get some sort of energy and move forward so whatever you find you just go grab and eat it without giving it second thought your body reaches that particular time you're not thinking about what is right what's wrong you're thinking about one thing which is survive so at that particular time just whatever comes on to your hand grab and eat and then move forward look forward key okay how can i avoid this to happen for a


okay how can i avoid this to happen for a longer duration of time because that's not a permanent place you have eventually have to get out how long can you stay that's one thing so yeah but you said you have to also purify water but what can i i like in this united states of america or the courses where which we went through it was being told that you have to purify water but at times mostly in the himalayas we will find water and i have never ever ended in a situation where i have to purify water most of the time they're pills which we use and purify it there was this one time it was during the monsoons and if oh the entire water was muddy there was nothing pure and for to find pure water we have to go we would have to gain further altitude and go towards water and glacier that would require a lot of uh you know effort to gain altitude so in that particular case we what we took what we did was we took


we what we took what we did was we took off all our t-shirts uh put the water bottle and we filtered the water with the t-shirts so it was still muddy but still better than like you know completely dirty water yeah uh i'm sure you've encountered animals um you've spoken about it in the last episode where you were very close to a leopard and you know it could have easily pounced on you eaten you but it didn't and you had shared eye contact with the leopard you've also spoken about how this is possibly your most near-death experience yeah this has been one of my most near-death experience one of those where i was not voluntary asking to be in such a situation because the other times i put myself in situations where anything could have gone either right or left but at this particular time i was not expecting a predator to be there waiting or maybe not i don't know whether it was waiting for me or not but i was just as i was passing and i looked


was just as i was passing and i looked up he saw me i saw him i think the same experience happened with him as well he was looking into my eyes i was looking into his eyes and i was okay i'm not gonna fight you because i was not having the required gears and all that was not even my second thought so i i surrendered myself to i considered him to be the highness and i just surrendered myself that was it but i had one thing that i'm not gonna look down if i have to die i'll see death coming close to me i'll see me getting eaten up so i was looking into his eyes he kept looking into my eyes and there was this brief silence for eight seconds for me which was a lifetime everything just went like that out of um was free from time and everything around me nothing mattered as much as his eyes and my life myself the reflection that went through my head what all my head went through it was beyond time


what all my head went through it was beyond time so a lot of things took place in my head and yeah i surrendered myself like if you want to have me you can have me and he just looked down once i turned around and i started walking and i didn't look back i didn't have the courage to look back yeah i was walking and i was hearing my heartbeat that i that loud enough that my i could not hear my footsteps and i was running to get out of the situation yeah so how do you think animals look at human beings in the himalayas they are they are they fear us they don't want they are very shy they won't attack unless we are attacking them or and most of the times other times what has happened i encountered another animal and we were on this turn so there's this turn in the mountain there's a trail which is taking a you know a dead-end turn and i took my left and i saw an animal he saw me and


and i saw an animal he saw me and i was scared he was scared which animal was a leopard okay and he was with his cubs and i had a person behind me which we were to evacuate and there was this huge like we were around seven eight people we were too back with this person and there was leopard in front of me i saw them they saw me and we both were scared i i saw it and then i was like oh i skipped that heartbeat and i'm like no but i cannot stop because at the back there's this body that has to be taken down as soon as possible or else something else will happen over here like you were evacuating we were evacuating a person who fell down at a place which was at the border of two states so there was a call that was to be taken key okay either i have to take this person to this particular state or that particular state i took a decision about getting it nearest to the roadhead to get to


about getting it nearest to the roadhead to get to the roadhead and then we got them to the roadhead uh chopper was being asked to come down but because of the weather conditions the helicopter couldn't land so we just kept traveling through roads and the roads were horrible and i am glad that i did few courses where i was being taught to give first aid responder if something happens wrong in the wilderness how to take care of that person not being a doctor but then providing assist to get this victim to the doctor as soon as possible so this is happening in on the borders of uttarakhand and imagine pradesh and in extreme himalayas again there it was wilderness lower himalayas uh we got this person out went to the ambulance and then from ambulance it took us quite a lot of time because people over there don't get people who are having head injuries and all sort of so this person i was evacuating had a head injury and took us around four days to get


head injury and took us around four days to get him all the way back to bangalore yeah the person had the was in shock at first later the body went into coma and yeah we wanted the chopper pickup to happen but it was not happening because of whether the four days no sleep nothing but handling that part i guess was easy then handling his wife and son at the same time because they were having a breakdown they were there on a trip a thing that they will be looking forward for and then something this sort of happened to handle them emotionally and then handling the victim at the same time was a task and i think that as this has made me grow uh not just this they have been incidents where you know you have to cross a path so most of the time if something is going wrong at high altitude you have to let that person come down but happening this situation is happening at a pass a pass means like there's this valley and there's another valley and between these two


valley and there's another valley and between these two valleys there's a past mountain pass and you have to cross this path so i am at 14 300 feet and i have to climb 700 feet more to cross the path and go on to the other side now two of my teammates they are having problem of hate which is higher to pulmonary edema higher to cerebral edema when when a person has cerebral edema within a matter of few hours if the precautions and right steps are not being taken a person may die or the pulmonary edem as well now having two cases at the same time there were two options either to bring this person down like bringing down is very important but to bring them down either i have to bring them down the same route that we climbed and that took us seven days in order to bring them down it'll take us four days or maybe even less but still one day at least if i would have made that person cross the path we would cross the path


that person cross the path we would cross the path there will be a 700 feet gain but we'll cross the path and there'll be a certain dip of altitude and then the person will come down to a significant altitude when that person will feel okay so i took the call off with the amount of people that were there to help me out we took a call okay okay we'll take this person beyond the pass at that specific point so 700 feet more we climbed provided supplement oxygen which is very important and few other drugs so made them cross the path and made them land onto the other side and as soon as they came down they were all fine at at one point they would not have been able to walk not even able to take one step ahead so having a backpack load and also having that person at the back it was like you take one step and physically it was getting really like i haven't trained body weight and all never in my life but i don't know how i got all sort of


but i don't know how i got all sort of that energy okay this person has to live or else it's coming down like it's my job to bring these people down it's a promise that i made at the base camp so having that person at the back and then crossing the path so that was a lot hell lot of load as soon as they cross the path went down the altitude they were all fine which is like wonders that happens at altitude if you're going up your health will start to just go worse and worse and worse but as soon as you go down the altitude everything will be super fine so yeah of all the horrible experiences that have happened over there and how huge the himalayas are coming back to the himalayas about the wilderness what is something that an average person will never understand unless they've experienced it like what does the wilderness taught you as a man to improvise there's no plan you plan something in life or in wilderness it doesn't work out what you


or in wilderness it doesn't work out what you do you don't get shattered do you make plan b or maybe plan c if you have already made it good if not you improvise right then and there whatever you have right there at that particular time at present moment whatever you have you use all those things around you you become nature you mean yes trees nature trees so when this thing happened uh the organization that i was working for uh it's called india hikes so they were having a stretcher now stretcher may it's not possible to take a person having a head injury because in the mountains it's going to be up and down up and down up and down most of the times and we had to make a stretcher right then and there so what we did we put a chair we cut two branches of the tree and we put them beneath the chair so the person was being made to sit and then the head support was been provided and then he was being tied along so that's how


then he was being tied along so that's how he was being moved from that point if i would have taken him at the stretcher the head will go up and down up and down which is not recommended head should not have any sort of movement so this was improvisation at that point right then and there so yeah they're improving improvisations like these and the other improvisation when we got lost it would have continued we were out of food and in order to you know manifest food from the wild you need to have patients a lot of patients because it's not going to come to you you'll have to most probably to just light up the fire if you're not having a lighter it'll take you an hour or two easily to look for whatever you have to eat will take your time so if you're tired and then you are looking for food no that's not going to happen so you have to plan and never it will happen that the plan will work so you improvise right then and there


will work so you improvise right then and there and it's been one of those things that i have learned from the wilderness okay the plan is not going to work whatever you're planning for your life or anything you have to improvise quite a lot and if you are there you are spontaneous enough to take decisions and this is another thing about making a decision now decision at the time of things going haywire chaos created there is no right decision no wrong decision you have to just commission a decision you don't have to omit anything just make a decision and go forward about it you know just follow the process your heart whatever your training you have been through or whatever circumstances are whatever you can analyze with the situation just make a decision and just enact rather than being at a shock to figure out what has to be done so the more you like i the first time it happened to me i did go on to a state okay what next whatever i have to do uh there was this time in


i have to do uh there was this time in terms of improvisation it was cold the snow falling all around and this person comes to me and he's like okay i'm gonna lose my finger i'm not able to lose move my finger and he was wearing two gloves already so i i held his hand and put it around my groin area because it being warm or you know my underarms because i was also feeling cold i was not being a superhuman around there where was this this was happening in a peak called chandrashila but around the time when it was really cold so he was like i i'm not feeling my fingers and what has to be done so that was one of the improvisations key okay just put it right here like this has to your finger has to i don't want once we go back key or you don't have a finger or you know it has to be emptied so that was the decision being taken and warmth and all his finger was fine so in terms


warmth and all his finger was fine so in terms along the improvisation that's how things work yeah whatever you have around use it right then and there and just get out of the situation safe does the wilderness completely change at night oh yes things get magnified sounds are way too much cold is something to be dealt with the altitude and if we are talking about the himalayan wilderness it's recommended most of the time that you better stay put no movement has to be made unless you are the party who is making an evacuation or looking for you are searching for anything which is lost unless you're not trained you it's better you be stay put once the sun has sun made has set be at a place stationary don't make movements around it because wild animals wild animals will definitely comprehenders will definitely come out in the night but you know the trails or the mountains which are tricked quite a lot them they are very shy animals as i told you before they will not come out they


i told you before they will not come out they can sense feel us see us from a distance and they will not bother us but if you are making a movement during the night which they are not expecting then it might happen as i was telling you with the evacuation that we were making and then there were leopards with cubs all right in front of us they were shocked i was shocked and [Music] if they could have attacked me things would have gone wrong but i was having this motive okay we have to move and that motive was good enough for them to sense through my eyes okay he has a motive and he is going to do something that he has to accomplish so they just moved out of the way what are the what are the dangerous wild animals in the himalayas like there's leopards just tigers yeah they're leopards there's no leopards mostly they are leopards and there are a lot of wild cats when i say wild cats it covers most of the


when i say wild cats it covers most of the things not i haven't seen any tigers in the himalayan regions uh but you've heard of them i have never heard of them we call them which will cover the entire wildcats but i've seen cougar something sort of a cougar but not a tiger up in the mountains not not a tiger leopard squad a lot there are a lot of leopards in different different different shades uh the most dangerous one would be bear so yeah it's it's better you shouldn't encounter a bear it's much more dangerous than a leopard yeah yeah why because bears are aggressive they are okay have you encountered one closely ever not closely never closely i wish not to encounter one any time but you've seen a bear injury and all yeah yeah okay and their injuries and bear from a distance and another mountain he was in a green patch and he was making his movement so i could easily figure out that huge animal crossing yeah and i've


figure out that huge animal crossing yeah and i've met people who have had bear attack them so yeah whatever they said about it they were they were freaked out they had nothing to say they was just wishing because it was in an urban place rishikesh and being in the outskirts of rishikesh they were just walking their way back around the times of lockdown when people were not getting out and the animals were entering rishikesh is next to rajaji national park yesterday so maybe the bear came out of raja into maine rishikesh not in the main rituals but outskirts of rishikesh oh wow yeah so she was going back her home and the bear tagged and she had a lot of like she was carrying her food so that fell a noise was being made people came out and then the bear just left the bear attacked her for the food i maybe yeah they can smell really good but is there a human bear conflict like do they actually come into human territory and like no no not in


come into human territory and like no no not in himalayas yeah in the himalayas they would know like at times i have heard my other the team that i was leading so one person went out and pee and he was telling me okay there was a bear who came around that area so what we do there's this thing about not you know making mess of the place that you are camping at so there are some camping etiquettes so what do you do is whatever uh waste that's been organic waste that's been produced we'll just you know make a pet and just keep it that bury it so then later it can turn out to be manure fertilizer like it can be there it would not harm uh the middle round so it came for that and it was digging it out and wow so he went to pee and he saw it he pulled i put you know pulled his thoughts towards him red eyes and all so he told the guide the guy later told me and then like


guide the guy later told me and then like it was very important for these people to know and i have told them every night before going to our respective tents i will tell them that you are not getting out alone that's the thumb rule you are always taking your buddy along with you so many ways of bears and leopards yes and anything else can happen like the toilet tent is not right next to you uh as in our houses it will be at a distance so you'll have to walk your way and while you're walking in the dark you whatever twist your feet and then you need to have someone always there's always the buddy culture has to be followed you'd always need to have a buddy along with you for good efficiency and not things to go out of your hands it has to be restricted controlled before it does have you i mean i'm asking you this because you've gone into deep parts of the himalayas have you ever seen an animal which you feel hasn't been discovered by


an animal which you feel hasn't been discovered by science yet uh i'm sure it's been discovered i just haven't looked into it because the way it looks i don't know what's it called or i haven't seen it over the internet yet and i have discussed it with my friends who are into wildlife photography and they have good albums of all the wildlife species that they've discovered uh there was this one time just imagine a crocodile now that crocodile turn it and make it smaller like half of its size and now put that crocodile on a tree oh wow so yeah that was once when i saw it like what is it i don't know large enough to harm you but no no no not large enough to harm me but yes i was definitely scared okay if it jumps down and then he bites my door or my hands then it can it's going to be a problem so i was keeping distance because i have no idea what it is wow and you saw this deep in


what it is wow and you saw this deep in the himalayas yeah yeah what else do you see deep in the himalayas most of the time it's it's uh plants trees not not specifically trees but you know these herbs around which you haven't seen before some smell which is like very intoxicating really like a perfume yeah wow and it's all over and when you smell it for way too long you kind of feel dizzy at times i felt rejuvenated with all these smells we were walking in this jungle and like there's just trees around like these bushes are as tall as us so we were craving our way piercing through in six of us piercing through and making our way cut cut cut cut cut and as we were cutting these stems you know a toxic thing was been released which was like sticky very sticky so it came to our backpacks and then in those backpacks the leaves started sticking and the you know the fumes which were coming out of it it was


the fumes which were coming out of it it was very toxic and it smelled like horrible and just after that as soon as we crossed the view just wondering what did this happen are we supposed to touch this or not we touched it anyway because it was already in our hands as we were cutting it through and going piercing it after that we entered another territory where they were this was green and white now the one that came later was green and red which was oh my god it was so good like perfume it went so good i was like i need to contain this and take it home it was really relaxing yeah so yeah what did it smell like like can you describe this one ah it was a little bit of lavender mixed with rose but times 50 got it very intense very intense yeah very strong wow yeah and being in the middle of it yeah have you met any yogis in deep himalayas most of the time it's yes i have and yeah they they're like


it's yes i have and yeah they they're like it's good to talk to them like the theories they have about life and what they're doing out there but they're constantly on a move they wouldn't stay there or most most of the time they'll have a kutya like a hut and whoever was gonna come on a trek they'll bring food and all for them so that's how they survive but this is again in deep in the wilderness um i would say in the wilderness not really deep in the wilderness but yes in the wilderness away from civilization yes very away from the civilization how away like 100 kilometers 200 uh from the civilization 50 kilometers away from the civilization which will take you around three days to get there because 50 kilometers in the himalayas is you trekking up yes wow up and down up and down going round and round so yeah it's not straight never what do they eat they so most of the time like that's what i'm telling you most of the people


that's what i'm telling you most of the people who are coming up they'll bring food so they go down they bring enough ration for them and they keep it there like dal yes yes okay and like what are the conversations with them like who are these people because you also you also hear of these immortal rishis who live in the himalayas you know they've learned how to sustain themselves on sunlight have you heard these stories yes like i read a lot about these toys we come to that but about these guys they won't talk who these people the immortal ones yeah no no no the one that i'm talking about he wouldn't talk there was another one that i met he was living in a a barren thing shade like he made her hurt for himself and he had a lot of books and he was constantly talking about educating the youth and questioning why environmental science is not as important as mathematics and physics and science other sciences so yeah that was this thing and was he


sciences so yeah that was this thing and was he speaking english or hindi he was speaking english oh wow yes that means he's probably grown up in a city maybe town at least yes he intended he had huh indian yes indian yeah he really had good knowledge about and he his plan was to later get down to the cities and then start teaching kids so why was he up there to meditate most probably like we asked him and he was like as right now it's not my time to be down my time is to be up here and that's what i'm doing that's what people don't understand you know when you go into very very deep places of meditation which takes you years it's taken me like five years to go even a little deeper than the average person i'm not far at all i'm probably if there are 10 levels most regular meditators are at level 10 i'm at level 9 and a half i'm not even at level 9. you want to get to level 1 of like meditation


you want to get to level 1 of like meditation but even at this level 9 and a half in some deep meditations i feel like i'm accessing some external knowledge which i then use in videos i use in podcast maybe something sitting in my head that comes out in a podcast comes out when i'm writing i'm like where did that come from but uh when i have spoken to people who know yogis who've gone up there a lot of them are at these early stages nine eight seven the ones who are at even higher stages five four three they are even deeper in their mothers probably at such deep places that you may not be able to find them and the ones even higher than that are maybe those immortal legends that we hear of yeah um you can't deny you know stories like that like i mean lots of people limit their own minds and their own imagination and their own possibilities because science has improved it yeah science is a long way to go and actually i know that you're someone


way to go and actually i know that you're someone who believes in the same concept the science does have a long way to go yet without denying science or scientific guys but there's so much left to discover yes very much in himalayas way too much like do you have any experiences like that okay so this this was happening around the time of monsoons we climbed a pass and now we were supposed to descend down we were supposed to go down to a place called shila samundar which in english means uh an ocean of rocks so all you see is rocks so we are around 15 800 feet and all we are coming down we have to go down and then climb again and around the time like as i told you you can see very far away once you are at a high altitude where since you are at that place the pinnacle of the areas around you can see at a very far place now from that place i saw five circles down in a ground which is huge and


five circles down in a ground which is huge and imagine a tent there would feel like a dot and now there are five circles made there's a sixth circle where it's it looks like it's been made in a way which is made by humans the the way it was been made as we could see from that distance now if i would have gone down the entire way up to that point it would be like a stadium that huge it'd be wow so i was in my head i was having this thing okay maybe a spaceship landed out there i was telling my friends okay maybe this has happened this has happened and we were having our own theories maybe it was because of the glaciers the how glaciers were receding glacier came and then glaciers started to settle down in awake it the waters started going down and then that's how the circle was made but from the geometric shape you're saying yes yes uh spherical but that man-made human-made was circular the other ones were


that man-made human-made was circular the other ones were not exactly circles but yeah coming very close to it but then all of them was spherical have you heard of crop circles it's like an alien thing they say that lots of fields in america basically there was this whole conspiracy theory that you know alien ships come create crop circles in the crops there's a movie about it science yeah later people have come out and no no we used to create crop circles yeah i've heard about it and i was telling you maybe this as we were communicating among each other this came that maybe this was because of the people who come there hunt for the herbs i was telling in the other podcast that they are a lot of herbs which are having a lot of advantages for human species species and how it can be developed into something which can cure i don't know what all sort of disease so basically they smuggled into china herbs from the himalayas are taking smuggled into china but probably research


are taking smuggled into china but probably research is done on them yes or maybe the indian government by itself are carrying some sort of research but then the smuggling is definitely happening because every year i'll hear about okay this amount of this particular drug or herb was being you know seized by the police or the officials itvp or csf uh sorry ssb so yeah i heard about this so maybe it was these people who were setting up the tents out there in that particular field clearing the field up and going up hunting coming down looking for the herbs coming down back again so maybe it was them but then it doesn't justify because the fields were really big the those grounds which were being made which was very big and that's why it was not justified because i'm telling you one tint in that entire place was looking like a dot i have a picture of it and the more i zoom the more i get thoughts about what was it but speak to me more about this alien


was it but speak to me more about this alien thing dude because again you're someone who's gone deep i'm saying that for the tenth time in this podcast but people need to understand the viewers and listeners need to understand what devon has seen with his own eyes there's lots of theories that uh you know say that mount kailash is some sort of a spaceship base there are theories that say that himalayas are so unexplored that there are definitely aliens in the deep wilderness it's sort of a base for aliens do you believe things like that uh i would believe things that i've seen from my own eyes so this comes closer to that theory but uh living with the jawans in the tibetan section so as i told you like this is um land mass which is the roof of the world known as tibet there's another land mass and this is taking like 500 000 years this landmass is coming coming coming coming coming it will collide this and that's how the


coming it will collide this and that's how the himalayas were being made because of the pressure and the tectonic movements yeah so these are greater himalayas these are lower himalayas and beyond this this is the trance himalayan ranges now in transient ranges it was tibbett as we know of it and there are a lot of gompas and monasteries around that place which are very old very very very old so at times they have been citing of any unidentified objects now india would claim that this was some sort of chinese thing coming into our uh space zone and going back and on that particular site they would have seen it and they would claim that it was yours so that's there and that takes all the doubts so but they have been an ufos being cited along the trans-himalayan ranges do you have any idea about the shape of the ufos most of the time as what i've heard people tell me it's it's been uh circular wow yeah and i clearly remember this conversation


circular wow yeah and i clearly remember this conversation with one of the givens and he was like he may i had it first with jivan then i later spoke to the officer who was posted there the commander-in-chief and he was like maybe it's because of the he hasn't seen it so but he he too believes in these things but he hasn't seen him seen one by himself so the thing is because you are at the altitude as i told you your mind starts to play games there are plays where you don't want to be there you are lonely by yourself there is constant day night happening and you're guarding so because of the altitude again your mind starts to place tricks with you hallucinations is very common up in the mountains it's very common so they are things that you might have not seen but it might have already happened you've had any hallucinations uh yes i have it happened to me after uh sixteen thousand seven sixteen thousand seventeen thousand feet


thousand seven sixteen thousand seventeen thousand feet somewhere around the same along the same lines and we were doing load fairy so load ferry something okay you have to set up a base camp at higher altitude right now we are at 12 000 feet we have to go to 16 000 feet so we'll be taking load day one day to day three day four so slowly and slowly by taking load to the other campsite which is high up the altitude so the first day when we went in there we carried a lot of load and now once we arrived there there is a lot of snow there now we cannot just pitch tent on the top of snow we have to beat down the snow make it into a hard crocks of ice and then once it's a stable ground hard ground then we'll pitch up our tents so we were jumping over the snow to make it hard beating the snow we call it we were beating it and then there was ice all around now when we were doing this activity because