care about you don't dress up you're in comfortable short pants no shirt whatever and stuff and you're dancing the idea is music dancing connection with nature all the elements together today it's lsd with a beer bottle with five shots in between it's it's a mess because no one understands people are doing it to show off to want and they think they're doing something cool so the whole point is maybe that's the way it is right now but that's what gives all these therapeutic angles of psychedelics a bad name there is so much of potential in them so much so if you really come down to the science because i've also also tried to figure out like how much of our brain do we actually use very little of it because it's number one too much of content number two we don't give it a break number three the dopamine burnout is a chemical imbalance on its own so we ourselves are not using our full potential of the brain like in the movie limitless what worked you just opened up


in the movie limitless what worked you just opened up parts of the brain that weren't being used you didn't create anything new you just started using what exists and that's what psychedelics do it opens up parts that already exist and that's why you can see your faults when i say you people relationships everything in your life it will show you your responsibilities because there's clarity so now if i break it down because many people may not want to do psychedelics that's where meditation comes in meditation will open parts of your brain that gives you clarity which is not controlled by your perceptions built up by social media society and everything else that this is truly who i need to be at this phase in my life and that's why you can chill right now yeah the neuroscience of what you just said and i spoke about this to dr said wario you should check out the podcast okay um there's basically a part of your cerebrum in your brain which is in charge of you identifying


in your brain which is in charge of you identifying yourself this is my body this these are the limits of my physical body my name is ranveer i'm 29 years old this is what i do for a living this is the identity all this is self-identification right when you go to slightly technical meditations or deeper meditations or just you're consistent with your meditations at the peak of your meditation sessions and they could be as short as like 10 minutes 15 minutes that particular part of your cerebrum the activity reduces that's what they've figured out through experimentation that's why there are so many studies related to meditations that are coming out now what happens when you identify less with yourself at least while you're at the peak of your meditation you identify less with your own ego and you're able to see your own life from a third person perspective it's almost like having an out-of-body experience but from a more mental level oh this is why i'm overthinking yeah oh this is how i can solve


overthinking yeah oh this is how i can solve the overthinking oh that thing that's not getting solved at my office this is how i can solve it because you're not thinking from a place of what will i lose you absolutely how much of my time will i put in here there's no my there's no i but that's the power of meditation in the long term that professionals need to understand basically it's true i mean i love what you said because see reality is reality we everyone has to face it right now the ego likes to be happy the ego wants to be happy it wants to feel right but reality is reality you made a mistake you made a mistake now the ego may want to cover it up or justify or blame like you honestly said i love what you said about it every relationship we always think it's the partner but when we evaluate we realize who we were being yeah and it's a good thing so maybe that person didn't deserve you in that phase or you


person didn't deserve you in that phase or you didn't deserve that person it's not about what we think yeah it's about who we are i always look at a breakup or a negative thing as either a lesson a mistake could also be you know when someone rejects you today on social media so many people look but how could she reject me how could he i'm saying look at it differently i wish it didn't happen it's painful i would feel your pain but look at it differently maybe that person is just a lesson in your life right now a person can be a blessing or a person can be a lesson rejection can be your saving grace sometimes it could be a saving grace let's talk about the dark knight of the soul fantastic concept that you told just lean royal and myself about uh i think both of us are going through slightly challenging phases back then yeah what is the dark knight of the soul so the dark knight of a soul is covered in


the dark knight of a soul is covered in every single religion in different ways it's just termed differently so the dark knight of the soul is when you have to hit rock bottom you have to hit rock bottom in order to come back new it's like a snake that sheds skin it's part of them they need to shed their skin to have a new skin grow wheat as humans they want to hold on to everything if we hit rock bottom we think it's the end and that's that fine line between depression okay where you say you put yourself in victim mode i understand it can be very very difficult for a lot of depressed people chemical imbalances you need the support of drugs but a lot of them it's perception i hit rock bottom i'm a failure you've labeled yourself no one has you have the point is to go through the dark knight of the soul it is going to be it can be one day it could be several weeks it could be six months it could


be several weeks it could be six months it could be a year okay but immediately most of us never go through that dark night on the other side of the dark night of the soul is the new you is the new you you may never need psychedelics because you've gone through the journey of the dark knight of the soul now what happens in the dark night of the soul you hit rock bottom you realize you're worthless but you have a whole world telling you to affirm i am worthy i am worthy so you're constantly confused but you feel worthless that's your main feeling what is it teaching you from there what is making me feel worthless who is making me feel worthless so the dark knight of a soul you are at your rock bottom and you go to that rock bottom you don't try to take drugs to feel better you don't try to take alcohol to feel better you don't shop have mindless sex to feel better because the moment you do that you're not


feel better because the moment you do that you're not going to that journey anymore you're coping if i remove the coping away from it i am taken through that dark side i shed layers like what vipassana does in 10 days where you shed and you shed and you cry and you come out new but then you come back to reality and and that's why you have to keep going back for it through the dark night of the soul the shedding happens once and for all what do you think happens biologically when you cry especially let's talk about crying for guys biologically what's happening because i feel there's a layer of hormones involved but when we talk about it from an ayahuasca room's perspective there's also emotional toxins that you release in your tears what do you think these emotional toxins are all emotional toxins are based on all the negativity that you've suppressed resentment guilt betrayal hurt all of that whether you've done it or someone's done to


that whether you've done it or someone's done to you i think crying is one of the most powerful medicines and we want men to cry we want boys to cry of course people are going to don't cry for stupid stuff okay your girlfriend said this to you you're hurt you're going to cry in front of her no but you can go into your own space and cry your heart out because i can guarantee you one thing after you cry the feeling that you have is not good it's empowering you feel this internal strength that has come up because everyone said that boys don't cry or girl if you cry or a girl et et cetera of course when men if there's a if i need to be the strongest man in the room because there's a chao chaos happening by crying i'm going to make everyone think i've given up i'll hold that emotion but i will cry later there is nothing wrong crying is therapeutic there is signs and i get my cancer patients to cry all


and i get my cancer patients to cry all the time i say please cry because a lot of people say laugh laugh laugh positive think positive think positive is the worst advice the worst advice i would say be away or just disregard when people tell you think positive all the time no you have to allow negative thoughts to come into your mind which they will but how you channel how much time you choose to spend in that negative thoughts is your fault if i allow that to pull me down i'm going to spiral but i want a negative thought right now to realize how it makes me feel and how i'm making other people feel but now how quickly can i channel it into the right thought so i think crying is beautiful and sometimes pick up an incident from your past go through it in detail yeah and cry yeah that is also part of your healing journey if you're finding it difficult to forgive someone okay cry and again the beauty comes back to traditional india again and all


beauty comes back to traditional india again and all religions when someone dies in your family you are supposed to go through the grieving process for hindus some parts of hinduism is 14 days for muslims i know it's 14 days for catholics it's 14 days 12 to 14 days you're supposed to stop all aspects of your life be with your family cry and grieve no one wants to do that today so they jump back into their lives to cope with it go out with friends drink try to forget but that suppressed grief has to come up and it never lets them move on with their life completely so a lot of people seeing therapists need to be told finish the grieving process completely then it's like you've gone through the dark night of the soul for that loss of that special loved one in your life and now you come back renewed but if i've tried to suppress that any emotion that anyone is suppressing today has to come up it can come up in anger


has to come up it can come up in anger violence disease frustration but it has to come up and why can i say that because i deal with end of life patients for nine years and anything any patient on their dying bed they're not dying they're suffering even the doctors are like this patient needs to go have mercy like let him go you know whatever and not die they have not finished something that they have to finish and then it comes out call that brother of mine he's in germany it's unbelievable so a lot of people when they want their suffering to end you have to finish what you have not finished on this wow it's unbelievable you know a lot of people will see it spiritually i can see it in front so when i get i'll give you an example okay i don't know if my family would like me sharing this but hardcore so my dad 80 years old got a prostate cancer all of that stuff whatever we grew up he had a fight with his


whatever we grew up he had a fight with his sister whatever for years we seen it happening as a kid now he's in recovery process miraculous recovery i didn't think he would reach this far it's been almost a year the other day that aunt lives opposite us in goa in our compound yesterday he walks out of the house my dad okay he needs a little help to walk but he walked out alone and he told us that he's going to meet a friend of his so the help ran behind him i wasn't there he's walking towards the gate he walks back just very confused look my brother was looking what's going on and he walks into that aunt's house and he sits there and he talks to her for two hours that guidance came from the top his suffering after that day has decreased in front of our eyes unbelievable and i'm giving you an example because it's a personal example but i see this with patients all the time so i ask


see this with patients all the time so i ask patients who is it that you need to forgive you got to do it now for your suffering to end you got to let go but you cannot keep anything suppressed because you work with so many cancer patients do you think there's a spiritual aspect of cancer absolutely 100 see because again if you lock yourself in science it doesn't make sense because where has science studied spirituality just because you haven't studied it doesn't give you the right to put it down every disease in the body i'll tell you why okay only the human body can get sick the spirit can never get sick that's how our souls move on the spirit can never get sick it can get dampened it can get bruised it can never get sick only the physical body can get sick do you think if the spirit gets bruised that bruise translates to the physical sadness absolutely i will tell you today outright 90 of my breast cancer patients will tell you maybe not


my breast cancer patients will tell you maybe not in the first month not second not third month not fourteen i've stopped asking because they come directly to me it was caused because of this emotional issue in my life and they're pinpointed and they're right do you notice that when you're dealing with different kinds of cancer that there is some commonality absolutely prostate cancers will be irritability anger frustrations in small bits larger suppression of anger insecurity at a huge level most er positive breast cancers will be emotional hurt betrayal pain thyroid cancers will be the lack of voicing yourself you trying to be someone else because you can never voice who you really want to be there is it's not the only cause it's not the only cause but it is a huge part of the cause the main cause is a breakdown in the immune system you can only have cancer if your immune system broke down period but for that immune system to break down that's why doctors tell you oh stress


break down that's why doctors tell you oh stress don't be stressed it'll cause your immune system to be low it's true but now because your immune system is low you can have any other disease right you've broken down the main defense system of your body so yes there is an emotional spiritual connection with every disease from a miscarriage to a deadly disease there is an emotional connection and a lot of our patients who have had miscarriages there are many many many uses the causes of a miscarriage but you know one that comes out more prominently now and ask every patient who's gone through at any point did you reject this child in your mind and in most cases of miscarriages most not all the mother was yes i never wanted to have the child but my husband or my in-laws or my whatever you as the murderer the source of holding a child has rejected it at a subconscious level your body will make sure you don't have the child it is insane how the human body works


the child it is insane how the human body works so now psychotropics and psychedelics can make people see that they can see that who they were being and they find their own solutions and the beauty of magic mushrooms ayahuasca's lsd is right quality done within the framework of your laws some countries allow it just follow your laws my point is it gives you the answers that have already existed but you wasted a lifetime trying to get opinions from other people and answers from other people where bio individuality comes in again so today you go for relationship advice to your 10 best friends all you're getting is 10 opinions these 10 opinions coming from your friends yeah they care for you they want the best man for you or the best woman but they are giving you 10 opinions based on their relationships and their understanding of love and their perception of love which is why it is always going to be your wrong advice if you want to know who you need to be in you look within you have to


need to be in you look within you have to look within for answer no one can tell you whether you should be divorced or not the answer has to come from within it comes to the question of so many women living and men living in relationships where they're physically abused and today it's not only about women you know men get physically abused men get beaten up and we ask them why are you still in that relationship because they're willing to see beyond the abuse they have learned to see that but this part of me is deeply in love with that part of you now society will come in and tell you you don't deserve this you don't need this but that person has chosen to sacrifice the physical abuse for something much larger is that right it's right for them it's wrong for us to judge now someone's being physically abused and they need help to come out of it of course that's a different situation we can never judge anyone and the human mind has much like if you


anyone and the human mind has much like if you ask me what my spiritual goal is i would like to reach a point where i am so much better than not judging people but it's human it's coming all the time because we're seeing it all the time people on social media criticism trolls all of that stuff but the point is our judgments are never right because they're based on opinions and never facts and you know your opinion and your facts are dependent on your subjective reality my childhood what my dad said to me what my mother put in my head what my teacher said they're just opinions so just because people have a following today on instagram they think they can tell people how to run relationships so when people say look how do i rather i say run it you learn along the way why are you trying to protect yourself because right now you only expect the best out of your relationship you think you're entitled to only the good times you prepare yourself for the bad times you go to the relationship


yourself for the bad times you go to the relationship and you learn it doesn't have to be your final it could be 10 relationships before you find love but that's your journey if you are not going to take that journey you're going to be the person sitting on social media asking the world for opinions you know strangely enough my ayahuasca shaman had told me this concept he spoke about how in many ancient shamanic cultures they believe that before your soul enters a human life when you go into your to be mother's womb and you kind of take over that baby's body which is soulless until a certain point your soul has figured out that in the following lifetime i have to figure these lessons for myself i have to go through these learnings yeah so often you choose your own suffering because there's no concept of time in the heavenly skies correct yeah uh it's all just timeless it's it's a dimension that's beyond time and again we could get into astrophysics


beyond time and again we could get into astrophysics we've spoken about the show about how even science hasn't understood the concept of time yeah and it just uses time to explain certain physics equations but but it's not incompletion yeah people don't understand what time even means um multiverse theory state that whatever happened 10 years ago is happening right now in this very moment so keeping this whole metaphysical uh concept in mind do you feel that's true that when your spirit is entering a human life your spirit chooses its own suffering and you go through a certain pattern i've read about it my belief systems haven't moved there but i do believe that every experience that we're going through is for a reason at the same time sometimes we create because of our actions and behaviors certain phases of love life that we'll have to go through so we can't always say because a lot of people use that as a crutch oh this is what life's putting me so i don't take responsibility but in


putting me so i don't take responsibility but in many cases i am doing something which is not right that is bringing on that particular suffering which is within my control but sometimes i'm going through something like a breakup which i'll never understand why such a connection where i could love someone or you could love someone is suddenly taken away we'll never understand this but that you could say is that soul experience which is why you need to go through it if you resist it you're not going to learn that lesson and it's going to happen to you over and over again let me turn the question around a bit i know you're a man of god what's that one moment in your life where you felt the closest to god i feel it almost every day because when i have certain cases and i can tell you this up front i had a case the other day as well you're hit with a question where you know you don't know the answer and all of a sudden you're talking to that patient


all of a sudden you're talking to that patient it's coming out god's talking through me i'm not here to say i'm a channel of god all of us are channels of god by the way we should know that god's passing a message through everyone but the point is i have i am experienced to know when god is talking i mean i look at my doctors and nutrition and i'll say because they'll be like look where did that come from up so i am connected with god and i notice the days i start my day off badly for example anything that connection is broken i will cancel patient appointments but the days that it's there there are some things like i had a client the other day who was like fly me to switzerland i want euthanasia i don't want to suffer any i want to die she wants to die my first my when she saw me she was saying look please tell my family i want to die tell all these doctors and leave me alone i want to die


these doctors and leave me alone i want to die they don't have a right to do this to me i want to die what do you answer in this case what do you answer what followed was a 20-minute you know narrative from me to the patient which was not me i'm not going to take credit for it i've not learned it i'm not experienced that it came from a higher power you were going to call it god you may want to call it whatever but it came out that patient in half an hour changed their perception it's nine days since i saw the patient the husband is like she's a different person because of me no because i know it wasn't me so god connects to me in different ways and when you're mindful you recognize it you will recognize it at that point i believe we're already close to god but because our mind is so distorted all the time with other people's opinions we're comparing ourselves with people we're so ungrateful we look in the mirror


people we're so ungrateful we look in the mirror and we hate ourselves you know we've become so ungrateful for our very spirit that we've created more distance so even though god is there we can't feel it we can't feel it but i believe everyone everyone right now whether they believe it or not god is in them yeah i think a great movie to watch a soul pixar so yeah i love that i love it i love that movie flow state exactly so what i told you initially i'm in one of my happiest spaces right now because i'm in flow how am i in flow because i'm not resisting and it's a beautiful space beautiful space i don't know how long it's going to last but it's great right now and i'm mindful that i want more of it so that's how i'm leading my life right now i teach my cancer patients be in a state of flow don't resist the chemotherapy you've decided to take it right good if you've not decided to


take it right good if you've not decided to take it it's fine but if you've decided now flow with it forget about what's going to happen it's going to happen the way it's supposed to and the patients who flow they don't have side effects at all it's insane insane they don't have any side effects um you know for me i mean definitely because if you're in a creative profession you do feel moments where closer to god or moments where you're like how did i write this yeah exactly um and now you can be egoistic and say oh wow i'm amazing i'm super i mean you can be as humble as you are it came from somewhere and give that credit because if you give that credit it's going to come more and more philippians 4 13. absolutely that's the core logic and again it's something every religion says that any form of creativity is not your own it's from god so if you're open to it if you're vibrating at the right levels you


it if you're vibrating at the right levels you are in a state of receiving most people are in a state of getting i want to get rich i want to get this low state open to i want to receive healing i want to receive abundance i want to receive love it changes everything in the most magical way never looked at love that way thank you but uh rahman said on this show that uh he i asked him how he come up with so many tunes for so long 13 years of coming on magical music he spoke about a sufi story about a beggar in his beggar's bowl so he said that you need to perceive yourself as the beggar keep your beggars bowl empty all the time god will keep placing things into it but the moment you let it stay in the beggar's bowl and get attached to what is in your bowl which means his tunes or his music and him saying oh i made this beautiful song god's not going to put the next piece of


song god's not going to put the next piece of food in your bowl the next dune is not going to fall in your bowl it's the same concern this is one of the creative geniuses of our culture saying this and i speak the most creative professionals they always say always say the same thing that yeah this script or this idea wasn't mine came from somewhere absolutely um beautiful concept but you know flow state is definitely a part of my life where i feel close to god yeah there was a moment when i was 14 years old when i almost died and in my childhood that was probably the closest i've ever felt to god it kind of also changed my perception a little bit between eighth and ninth grade i was surrounded by a lot of my friends who were very fascinated by atheism and there was this cool guy group and of course i was a part of it everyone was talking about atheism and i just sat with that concept for a bit because i've been brought up


concept for a bit because i've been brought up in a very spiritual family okay uh and you know you're kind of experimenting with rebellion as a teenager atheism yeah there is an argument for it like i have not experienced god i don't you know it maybe it doesn't exist maybe it's only science and it's only what we are yeah and it's the world we know um cut to this jaipur trip where we were going from jaipur to rantambor i was sitting on the first seat of a bus okay and uh there's people behind me everyone's playing these uh games mafia and those kind of games on the bus they sound playing dumb charades someone's doing something else i was just insanely sleepy that day for some reason i slept well but i remember being really sleepy so i didn't want to be a part of the game i went to the first seat and sat right behind where the bus driver sits okay uh great kind of drive from jaipur to randambor feeling super sleepy


drive from jaipur to randambor feeling super sleepy myself and my vice principal went to sleep on the first seat okay and while i'm at the peak of my sleep i hear like screams behind me okay and i hear some of my friends i can identify their voices and these girls behind me are going oh and i wake up with that okay so my eyes open and i see a bus coming straight at us like there's a bus right in front of me the only thing that separates that bus from me is the bus driver um our guy couldn't see the bus coming from the other side was trying to overtake a vehicle on the other side and just when the buses were about to touch our bus driver kind of turned the bus so this other bus hit my bus or our bus behind okay the impact was not head-on it was behind what that led to was that abbas kind of lost control then he the guy tried controlling it a bit and rammed into a tree this happened over


bit and rammed into a tree this happened over maybe 10 seconds what i remember is i remember the scream okay i don't know what happened to me but it was one of those zones where everything slowed down a bit i quickly look behind to understand what's happening like the moment i realized oh when an accident so the moment he turned my immediate impulse just to look behind me it's the martial arts at play where you're so aware of your body and your surroundings so i look behind i saw that the people who playing dumb charades though the other games everyone was slightly injured someone had a cut on their face someone was bleeding from their mouth someone had a cut on their head nothing happened to me but the second impact was about to happen i'm not making this up and i'm not spoken about this online the vice principal she fell off her seat because of the first con contact and she was on the floor and again martial outside play probably god at play i


and again martial outside play probably god at play i don't know what happened i became hyper aware and between the first and the second contact there was about four seconds i quickly went and kind of pushed her back on her seat and then we crashed into the tree the driver got very badly injured he was rushed to a hospital there was blood all over the front seat the glass that separates me and the driver it shattered but i don't know how the glass didn't fall on me it fell on him okay and at that moment between those two crashes that's why i became aware of god i don't i see i'm struggling to even talk about it i don't know what i felt in that moment i saw that my vice principal's safe on her seat and i kind of kicked back in my senses look behind and all my friends are crying people are bleeding there's broken glass everywhere someone's fainted i can see someone's [ __ ] body like you know just lying down on the


body like you know just lying down on the window okay and i turn around and i see like oh i see a picture of hanumanji which for me that time was my image of god it still is in many ways [Music] and i'm unscratched nothing while i'm on the front seat of a bus and even my vice principal is relatively unhooked and she comes up to me and says thank you i realized what you did okay and um i got out of the bus and there's another picture of hanumanji again at a dhaba that we've crashed near on the dhaba people are freaking out they're like we just saw a huge accident what is happening i got out of the bus i realized oh wait my friends are inside went and picked up one of my friends got him out of the bus uh brought him out people come out everyone's bleeding i don't know what god into me but i went to a part of the dhaba that was like just empty and i sat down and


that was like just empty and i sat down and prayed and my atheism died there like unbelievable there was not one atheist cell in my body after that like what just happened here my best friend cut his tongue in half someone else had to get stitches across their face someone else had a jaw injury which troubles them even today like this was 14 years ago 15 years ago nothing happened to me other than my atheism dying and that's the closest i felt to i think i mean it's it's amazing how you were so mindful and you're still mindful a lot of people forget these things and this is what we call as divine grace like everyone has divine grace no one can explain how they got safely to work today why weren't they in that train accident why weren't they in that flight which crashed it's divine grace i was with a surgeon in new york a couple of days ago young guy he's a pediatric transplant surgeon so he


he's a pediatric transplant surgeon so he does transplants on two-year-olds and one-year-olds and stuff and he was saying you know so we were talking about spirituality and god and stuff i said do you believe in god's spirituality and stuff he said luke i used to be the most egoistic surgeons most surgeons are egoistic is what he said because we're given that control life and debt in our hands saying every time i cut open a human body all i see is the intelligence of god because as a surgeon we know what we're doing is what we're doing but we see the intelligence of the veins and the arteries coming in pumping and saying i just see god every time i open a body you call it spiritual you call what you want but that intelligence in us even while we're all awake right now there's no reason that our body has to be working every second of the day and night to keep us alive that's intelligence that is a superpower so when people don't have


that is a superpower so when people don't have answers for all of these things it doesn't mean it doesn't exist just because we don't understand it it doesn't mean like if just because people don't understand psychedelics doesn't mean that it isn't good so understanding plays a huge role and when you when you're mindful enough to see everything unexplained how does this plant in a room create energy how does the touch of someone that you love have a healing effect how does the smile of a child melt you or make you feel so good all of these are unexplained science cannot explain it it's a superpower and those who are humble and respectful of that superpower are protected and guided and you know you spoke about receiving uh we spoke about receiving blessings or money or love yeah the other thing you can be open to receiving is knowledge but you just need to keep an open mind yeah keep your boundaries open everything should be open i as an expert like today everything that i'm saying


as an expert like today everything that i'm saying on your part on this podcast is my story my story doesn't have to become someone else's story someone else's story doesn't have to become mine but there's an essence that we take away yeah we don't blindly say oh i need to do this to be like luke or be like ranvi no i take an essence away to be my unique self who i'm supposed to be wow i think we've reached the end of this heavy ass look do you have any last bit or anecdotes to add you know to i don't even know what we've just created honestly this was just you and me meeting this is how our real life conversations are you you've always helped me every time i've met you there's always some kind of healing or help that i get from you for the first time in my life i feel i'm healed enough to talk to you at your level i'm not saying i'm not gotten things from you like the receiving


i'm not gotten things from you like the receiving love thing never looked at love that way so thank you brother that's what i'm learning right now in my age too it's all about receiving no but i think i mean we we did a show a long time ago and i love how you've evolved i see it every day i mean i follow your page some days i'm missing your stuff but the way you've evolved and we should never be scared of evolving i think right now my message for people out there is don't put yourself into a box too many people you know they put themselves i'm a gen z i'm a millennial i'm a boomer i'm what why get yourself out of a box you're a unique powerful extraordinary human being if you put yourself in that box you're going to behave like that and that is society's puppet do you want to be society's puppet or do you want to take this unique talent everyone has a gift that's what i've seen


talent everyone has a gift that's what i've seen in life everyone has a gift most people don't even know that because they're trying to live someone else's life but when you start to live your life you find your gift could be as simple as listening drawing art creating that could be a simple gift but since everyone's comparing they think their gifts gift is only about billion dollars success fame looking good and that's why at that level of society it's the most shallow unhappy level of society and you go down and strip off layers you come down to simplicity to reach that forget about meditation and simplicity first move out of the box that you put yourself in because then you've opened up your whole mind and body to receiving if you're in a box you've got a lid on to receiving you remove the lid and come out you are living in awe and curiosity and with wonder and that is how human beings evolve because we're living in wonder we're living in awe we're not living with


wonder we're living in awe we're not living with entitlement that all love should be like this career should be like this money should feel like this so i encourage people to start living their lives with all curiosity and wonder um so just i mean i've toyed with stopping the podcast so much and my team is so against that idea but uh it's kind of gone beyond the chase for social media growth and numbers where i don't have a need to really read books anymore and this is becoming like reading a new book with every great episode so i'm really ending up reading like three four books a week amazing yeah so uh i think just on a personal level hopefully that on the day i die i'm gonna look back at this phase as the most intensive learning phase but you never know you never know where life will take you absolutely that's not for us to decide because we all have our paths defined but i agree with your team you shouldn't stop the podcast i'll tell you why


shouldn't stop the podcast i'll tell you why i mean you can take days of breaks you can decide how to because what you're doing is you're taking knowledge from people and you're sharing that knowledge and inspiring so many people i mean you don't inspire just the youth you've inspired my 50 60 70 year old patients as well so what you're doing is you're actually building a legacy when people say look what's your intention behind what you do i want to leave a legacy because i have the ability to do it i want to leave a legacy you are leaving a legacy in your own way with all the content that you're putting together and sharing it whether people use it or not it's a different thing trolls are going to be trolled you know how i see trolls now i feel that i'm giving them a job any troll today i've employed them i've given them a job to use their time to troll that's how i started looking at all of these things and stuff like that


looking at all of these things and stuff like that give them work give them work let them troll that's their job that's what makes them happy but it doesn't define who you are or who everyone is because a lot of people are crumbling under trolling and everything like that we have so many depressed influencers successful they come to a look at the president troll how could he say that relax relax just think of it as you've given a job to someone today that's their life part let them do their job of trolling you do your job of being extraordinary yeah you know things have not completely healed with my dad and people keep asking us to bring my dad on the show often i have not reached that level i can talk to my dad at the same level i can talk to you yeah i have made peace with it and i will bring him on the show at some point when i am ready myself uh some people might look at the situation like i'm trying to put my personal life out


like i'm trying to put my personal life out there too much and there's certain things you should keep to yourself i feel most indian guys have daddy issues and if we showcase one daddy issue story well and talk about how to make peace with it and talk about how to kind of figure it out it's going to help a lot of other people out there i have not had a reference point in world culture other than maybe kevin hart who's figured out his own daddy issues and come out on top of it in a peaceful way where both him and his father are happy but one thing i figured out that lifelong daddy issues have done to me is that i always seek out older male company because i never got it as a kid right uh and you've definitely been one of those people i don't call you away my father figure but you're definitely like a brother thank you i've had father figures me when i was younger right i can't talk to father because about uh masculine


i can't talk to father because about uh masculine and psychosis and all these things we talk about luke um i do have some last kind of questions i wish to ask you again from that perspective because i don't have the balls or the heart to talk to my dad about these things but i'm noticing that as i'm entering my 30s i'm feeling a lot stronger and stronger is a subjective term i also kind of feel very detached it's a very detached warrior kind of mentality but i'm really in control of my emotions right is this natural do i flow with it or am i just becoming heartless and did you go through this at any phase where you felt a strong sense of detachment which was giving you power what what so you should flow with it because you're able to still maintain empathy so you're not becoming heartless so you should flow with it because you're in a state of more empathy right now so you are doing it with heart in we've all gone


you are doing it with heart in we've all gone through that face to come back to daddy issues there's one perspective that i want to give you to reflect on no please okay almost every sun will have an issue okay number one because there are two male energies there is always going to be conflict every single relationship some kids are good at screw it i don't give a damn some are not they're emotionally attached okay i'll give you a perspective of what changed my relationship with my we had a great relationship but there are still date things that i don't like you know what he told me when i went to speak to him he said that was the best i could do with the knowledge i had and the upbringing i had yeah i'm sorry you be a better father to your child and i felt that was the most beautiful thing he didn't owe me in a pod he gave me an apology he said this is how i was brought up to do this this this i didn't know better and


to do this this this i didn't know better and then it made me realize no parent gets trained to be a parent no mother gets trained to be a mother no child gets trained to be a child no teenager gets trained to be a teenager we flow through life so now some people can have really bad daddy issues where you know many people they're beating this that whatever or they were never there the point is what can you take from that suffering that you think or that lack of that relationship with your father and what can you how can you con convert that into your superpower you know a lot of successful people where they say look we can't find our purpose in life a lot of people have found their purpose in life by taking that suffering and saying i don't want like exactly exactly what you're doing you don't want other kids to have that kind of relationship so here you are trying to fix a problem that a lot of other boys and young men are going through which are daddy issues


and young men are going through which are daddy issues so your sense of purpose is to fix that by probably sharing your experience flow with it but go back and think was your father doing it intentionally everyone has an ego your father you as well me my father as well especially the male egos that's why we bond more with our moms and daughters bond more with their dads we have to recognize that because your father take away society is a provider and a protector we are all driven by primal fears when i look today at why a lot of my relationships failed whether it was from the girl side on my side what drives me into a relationship what is my primal what is my primal driver to protect and to provide so tomorrow if i am going to be with a woman who says i don't need protection i don't need provision i'm not going to get into a relationship i respect that woman but you don't give my primal driver what it needs to survive and thrive which is


what it needs to survive and thrive which is my expression of love it is very important that we understand that so when i look at my father today and i said you didn't spend time with us you were doing this this my job was to protect put food on the table provide i've given you all of that i'm sorry i couldn't give you time that's it that's the way he was brought up so there is always place for a beautiful word called understanding and of course there are some unforgivable things that fathers do to their kids and stuff like that i'm not talking about that we could mainly therapy and all of that stuff but allow space for understanding your father at that point only knew what he knew now sometimes if you see intentionally my father did this to me out of ego pride and i was like yes sit him down speak to him all of that stuff make that peace but in many cases you'll find that every human being in life was going through their own life


human being in life was going through their own life struggles and trying to be the best and most parents intentionally have tried to do their best they've just fallen short today we as a society know what a perfect parenthood looks like and now we compare our childhood and we realize but when we were a child i never had these issues with my dad only when i got more knowledge that oh that guy's father handled this my father didn't do it so now i'm comparing and say why didn't my father do this so there's a place for reflection but communication is the best my father still will show an ego he will still say i am the head of the family and when i say you go i am the head of the family and he is the head of the family period these are my jobs your mother is the head of the family and this is what she does and my mother gratefully accepts there's no ego for them it's principle and it is task and duty they're still together at


it is task and duty they're still together at 80 they're not divorced to 20 they're not falling apart they fight they do all of that stuff so i learn like this all the time now again this is my story my story doesn't have to be someone else's but the principle remains the same understanding who was your father trying to be who were you at that stage who are you now who was your father then everything's changed so it allows space for some amount of acceptance understanding but the intention should be how can i create peace so i know i love my father i know he loves me we can have disagreements but it doesn't change what we have in between luke coutinho the world needs more people like yourself and like you no no brother i think i think uh there are some people who just notice that destiny pushes them into purposes which are you know from other people rather than themselves and uh fortunately if life makes two such people meet podcasts get created [Laughter] uh


such people meet podcasts get created [Laughter] uh no i i just i feel like you know life is a life is a journey that's full of learning full of healing and cliche is just like this absolutely absolutely yeah just one big thank you once again thank you thank you it's always a pleasure and i love your journey i just keep seeing you evolving and i'm hoping that your audience also realizes that nothing is permanent people feel stuck a lot of people but you're evolving you're changing you're you're showing people it's possible and that's the message that i want people to take away learning from the best thank you always learning um speechless man like there's nothing i can say to you that you don't already know and that i've not already said to you just uh i'm blown away once again thank you it's a pleasure always thank you yeah that was the episode for today if you're sticking around till this point i don't know how i can possibly be more vulnerable on this


know how i can possibly be more vulnerable on this podcast um one of the motivations behind doing content in general is to make mistakes in my own life is to go through pain failure rejection in my own life figure out how to come out of it and then showcase the results of those experiments in the form of content just like this i hope the podcast is helping you grow in whatever way you don't have to consume every single episode i know those of you who've consumed this episode entirely and have been moved by it are cut from the same cloth that i'm cut from and i hope that my efforts my team's efforts will always keep you as a firm supporter of the when we show we need all the support in the world to keep this podcast going i think of stopping this podcast so much so often but it's episodes like this that keep me refueled and keep me motivated to never stop this podcast basically now whether we stop it or we don't um this process


whether we stop it or we don't um this process has been therapeutic i've been able to document my own journey my own mind now before this outro turns into a solo podcast what i will say is we've linked some very intense solo podcasts down below as well we've linked all of luke's episodes down below make sure you check them out we never intend to promote any form of drug addiction but we do intend to promote scientific advancement the world of neurology is changing very rapidly because the human race is learning more about the mind very rapidly support the randy show lots more neuroscience neurology based episodes coming your way lots more episodes that contain packets of healing just like this follow us on spotify every episode's available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world only love only healing only peace for all the listeners we'll see you soon [Music] you


let's talk a little bit about signs and symbols what does that even mean like this is the first time someone's brought up this topic on the show and kind of embarrassed to say that signs and symbols have never crossed my mind in a very long time so the symbol could be something more like the om or could be something more like the swastika mark which has significance which people don't understand but it has a lot to give the question is as a seeker are you ready for it and are you going to do it now all the other aspects that we talked about the pyramids fantastic what was what if the pyramids were a power source what because when we talk about uh batteries a part of a battery was also discovered in egypt you woken up the engineer in me sir so batteries in the modern day are basically i mean if i remember right it's a cathode and an anode uh positive and negative ions on one side without getting too technical yes yes uh it's


one side without getting too technical yes yes uh it's not that difficult to create a battery if you dive deep a little bit into science yes you can actually create a battery out of potatoes but what's salty water repeat the questions but what science podcasting with an archaeologist was one of the og goals for me when i began this show because i began this show hearing joe rogan's podcast with archaeologists i feel we've got an entire ecosystem of archaeologists in our country who are discovering deeper layers of india but more importantly indian archaeologists like dr jay prabhakar are renowned all over the world this is a man who's gone about his business of digging understanding learning all over the world some people consider him an africanist someone who specializes in african culture and history but to understand this true mind you have to take a deep dive into one of the most special episodes of trs that we've created in recent times there's one episode every three months or so which


times there's one episode every three months or so which stays with me post recording it and this one was that episode dr ajay prabhakar has ten more podcasts in him this is just episode one for all our other episodes make sure you follow us on spotify very spotify exclusive which means that every episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world so without further ado this is dr aj prabhakar on the ranvi show talking about the history that you think you know but trust me you don't because we don't know what we know the only proof there's an archaeological evidence in the form of stone because when asteroids hit earth everything is destroyed other than stone monuments and the signs and symbols that our ancestors left for us fantastic episode enjoy [Music] all right we got dr aj prabakar in the house hello i'm so pumped i'm so goddamn pumped i think the world of the indian internet is waking up to history sir yes welcome


internet is waking up to history sir yes welcome to the runway show thank you so much for having me here how are you feeling it's amazing it's great we've had this lovely conversation and i'm sure like so many things coming up now it's going to be very interesting yeah what's the life of an archaeologist like it's so fascinating it's one of the careers i wanted to take up when i was a kid uh i don't know how that kind i'll tell you how it slipped off because in the ninth and ten the only history you taught was about the independence movement which i'm proud of yes i'm patriotic love my country but uh i love ancient history even more yes how do you go down that path um well with me it happened by accident or it happened by a course on course i would say it was something which i was doing with when i was working with united nations and we set up this uh center called as the catherine national research center okay


uh center called as the catherine national research center okay when we started you know dabbling with excavations preservations what were you doing with the united nations in the first place i was the country program coordinator there okay yes so i was managing uh coordinated programs for the united nations so it could be into education it could we also did a lot on arts so we did a lot many things which went into all these zones like so whether it was education whether it was capacity building and development sustainable development education we did a lot in these areas what what did you study so like well i have a doctoral degree in ai okay so well what we did was uh in all these areas my uh my entry into all these areas was to get technology into all these areas because what happens is these are very systematic processes but there is this lack of people there there is this lack of you know oriented process there so technology helps to align get in course and take it ahead like in a faster way


course and take it ahead like in a faster way i'm assuming that when the internet revolution of the late 90s early 2000s kicked in you were brought in to bring in technology into the u.n right and then somehow you found your way into archaeology and you become this africanist and you've got you've deep dived into human history absolutely like the one sense i get from your energy is that there's a lot to unpack like you have a lot of data points in your head i honestly i'm a little stumped about where to start this conversation uh but let's talk about like archaeology there must have been some event or some moment in your life maybe on some moment on the field probably maybe during some moment on the field where your heart just fell in love with like archaeology so maybe we can start there yes in my school days i was always a i mean a lover of history but nothing to take me in that direction but when i started dabbling with uh bits of excavation bits of


dabbling with uh bits of excavation bits of like preservation conservation now this was amazing the kind of things which would come into my hand and i could you know feel you know these pieces of history these these pieces of sculpture or metal or you know wood or stone which would be or which could be made thousands of years ago by someone who is just sitting there with so much of patience with so much of technology in his head because some of these things to imagine today even to replicate it would be a process you know from an artistic perspective from from an hour uh perspective from to create such things would be a difficult task even today like pyramids is one example i mean even today architecture you know or engineers or architects would find it very difficult we have all the tools there but to get such a big you know a monument in front of us i mean it's it's even today it's a feat okay simple question um you know one of the first kind of ancient history


you know one of the first kind of ancient history i don't even want to call it intimacy one of the first history lessons we learn in school is about the four ancient civilizations chinese indian mesopotamian egyptian yes do you think that's wrong do you do you think those are accurate or not i would say these are the uh you know ones which have been talked about but there are so many other you know other domains or other i would say family sub families or families which are lost which are even getting lost today as we talk what are you getting lost today um our culture is i feel we are i mean it's getting eroded every moment uh languages are being lost they're talking about the world culture yes so when i talk about in in the discussion we'll have we'll talk about it as a world and then something specific i'll you know specify this but when we talk about cultures when we talk about culture is basically an amalgamation of we have uh you know we have languages


of we have uh you know we have languages we have cooking we have stories we have so many things make up our uh culture so every single day every single minute there are so many languages which are getting lost there are people who i'm sure even in your culture they were these dishes let's talk about cooking i'm a foodie you know so we have this you know dishes which could be made in stone vessels for hours together but we don't even talk about it because we have a commercial set of products uh which are being dished out today in restaurants or in houses which take i mean the older older let's say delicacies used to take hours effort you know and also those spices which are getting lost just an example really yes so i'm sure even in your uh i mean in in in let's say even tribes for that matter there are delicacies which are not being made today because of the effort which is involved in it there are you know clothes not being stitched because it takes hours


know clothes not being stitched because it takes hours to make that dye is not made because there are things so many things required to make that die and it talks and it is so much us really because when it comes from a particular place and there's that makes the effort you cannot replicate it with machines today yeah like what i'm understanding is you're talking about modern day city-based civilization like these urban jungles that we live in are erasing aspects of our past but in saying that because human beings have been around since like about 200 000 years or so yes i can't imagine the number of art forms cooking techniques um maybe even science that's completely lost just because of the cyclical nature of human life which also brings me to this one thing i really wanted to ask you and this is something i assumed about archaeologists when i was growing up like if you actually see a cross-section of our planet the earth's crust is so thin as compared to the actual volume of


is so thin as compared to the actual volume of the globe you know and your job is to actually just escalate the earth's crust which is like lesser than an egg shell inside you know which encapsulates earth's core the magma etc etc but there's still so much left to discover in terms of the earth's crust like there's still so much left to dig uh i study the work of like a lot of historians and people are discovering these new cities which are kind of hidden under the ocean people are discovering uh a lot of lost aspects of even say the himalayas or something like that in india right is it correct in saying that there's still a lot left to discover on the planet as we know it today yes there is so much of excavation there's so much work going on as we talk okay but there's so much more to know so much more to know there's so much more to know really what does that mean you know uh we we wonder as to why and how


know uh we we wonder as to why and how like we talk about major civilizations even back home here of course we'll talk about it i think a little later but there are many questions you know as an archaeologist or anthropologist there are questions that we have like you know if we would talk about certain monuments certain instruments certain weapons how are they really made you know okay certain we talk about sound you know we talked about sound which is uh there how did these sounds uh as we call them as mantras or how uh like it could be even uh call for prayer or if it is there are so many different things that we use our sound you know how did we modulate or how did we know that these sounds were apt why do we have you know certain uh even gods all over the world today which are combinations of different uh you know animals you know human beings you know like ganesh back home or in egypt absolutely absolutely let's say iran egypt there are so


absolutely let's say iran egypt there are so many anubias like for them there are so many combinations in uh greek or roman mythology like we have so many combinations why are they always like that our world was always you know dominated by spheres rounds you know the circular objects when did we start shifting towards rectangle squares now i talked about dimensions like geometry you know so today we have logic which is given so much importance very important but when did we go away from the heart which is you know emotions which is the female aspect of it when we talk about balance we talk about work-life balance we talk about emotional balance we have mental balance but when we ever talk about you know balance within ourselves and then the male and the female [Music] so so these cultures like remind us that the balance has to start from within then so when we talk about these monuments these are structural air devices not just for vision or the aesthetics aspect there's a purpose there's a purpose there's


aspect there's a purpose there's a purpose there's a constant reminder i think one of the recent podcasts i heard about ancient history spoke about the pyramids the stonehenge in uk yes how all these huge monuments from ancient human history yes actually carry messages which carry itself into the future it's human messages which were supposed to withstand the test of time because over 3000 years even plastic erodes absolutely but stone rocks these things stay as they are yeah um let's get into specifics so let's talk specifically about the pyramids sure you're an africanist uh i know you've done a lot of work in nigeria have you also worked in egypt to pheromone yes you have yes okay and uh wow this is [ __ ] i'm so excited i'm sorry but uh let's unpack each episode uh let's begin with the pyramids and let's kind of get into an essay about ancient egypt i feel like it's one of those cultures which has been lost we spoke about information being lost et


has been lost we spoke about information being lost et cetera et cetera absolutely and i love my own country i love what we stand for as a culture yes but uh often the india that we've grown up in has this habit of being a little myopic about its world we think that everything is india the world begins and ends in ebit india that's just not humanly true that's not humanly possible i feel like definitely india's been a cradle of culture spiritualism etc etc but there have been these other hot spots all over the globe absolutely native america south america sure ancient egypt absolutely where culture developed spiritualism of its own kind developed of course it must have even been linked to indian culture yes so let's start talking about the pyramids like what's up like what's happening there like let's start it like with an intro for someone who doesn't know what the pyramids are and then let's get the dr prabhakar perspective what have you figured about it


prabhakar perspective what have you figured about it yes the pyramids there are so many pyramids first of all we have this again the word use was myopic uh view that there are only one or two pyramids but there are so many pyramids the sizes of them are different the ones which we know are the ones of course uh the ones which you know of the three uh beautiful pyramids like which can be seen which are a tribute which are still understudy a lot of study even with uh you know projections up in the sky we're still studying as to what is inside really are they tombs for a prince or king or where they uh to study you know the stars were they monuments to to say i have done it where they like to pass on to an afterlife where they the release of spirits you know where they to invoke the gods where they an answer or were they a display of mathematical you know i would say grandiose that i know my math very well where they to say like


know my math very well where they to say like you know it's a treasure trove you know whether to say it was was it a sacrificial you know a bed wherein like people were sacrificed and you know taken there so all these questions are there in so many minds and it would take us many such podcasts to answer all of this but i would say uh many of it could be true but the beauty of it is how it is holding up together we have you know we have monuments today uh which we make which don't hold up to 10 12 15 years these have been there for thousands and i don't want to get into the actual numbers because again it would clash with the numbers which are being put up so again the idea is that uh these have been there for thousands of years now thousands of years it's not easy to have what kind of now many things have fallen off or have gone off the limestone on top many of them have gone off but you cannot deny the


of them have gone off but you cannot deny the fact that it is still right there in front of us has it been explored completely well many parts of it have been explored many parts of it are being explored with newer technology with bots going inside with lights because some of those parts some of it was also made in a way that there are no exit points you can just go in you cannot get out like a maze like a maze wow yes so there are many uh basically for tomb raiders or tomb uh robbers if i could uh call it that uh so many of this would were made like traps so that if you go into many of the doors don't lead anywhere in many of the pyramids that we talk about it could be just a maze as you talked about or it could also be like you know it leads to something but it leads to you know another thing which could be the end of the person who went in you mean like booby traps booby traps yes with uh like


booby traps booby traps yes with uh like in indiana jones when he's trying to get into a tomb yes how things attack him yes or it could be just psychology like we have even uh ancient chinese uh you know tombs wherein like there's this uh sign and symbol which would say you know you enter in at your own risk or as you enter in you'll be you know cursed so many years of history would lash on you or you know really slash you who or your face will be so so many different things uh which is which i said which is kind of psychological because as you enter in you're already scared you know what the dark you know is in front of you and with that this could really heighten you know any kind of fear anxiety that you have and you could make mistakes which you wouldn't generally make have you gone inside yes you've gone inside of this yes what's the vibe of it uh maybe it's also our mind it also gives you an air of


also our mind it also gives you an air of ancient it gives you an air of uh superiority in the sense you you feel uh roy this is what i felt uh royalty you know the the the vibe of ha you know uh the vibe of uh history of course uh learning knowledge there is so much there is so much hitting you at the same time because you you there are so many for the person who hasn't you who has an open mind i mean there are so many things to come out it's like a burst of flavors you know which would come on to your you know being so like an overload of data over a lot of data are there other hieroglyphs on the walls yes all over uh not all over uh of course with certain sections there are uh they have messages they also have questions for the people who come in and visit how could people be so organized you know when we talk about ancients we have this image of k men jumping in from one you know and


of k men jumping in from one you know and going on to another cave you know killing doing something else you know but uh this is culture really at its best uh even color combinations start with that like black and gold you know when you make things uh limestone to cap beauty you know there is even in any craft you know we start with basics and as we go on we build in beauty you know i want to make my art better so i keep adding beauty to it finesse that's what you call it so when you are building a monument of that size i mean to have a capping uh and to make it so beautiful uh triangle is one of the most sturdiest i'm sure you know about it sturdiest and the stablest shapes it's also it is also i don't know how many how many of our people who are listening and viewers uh know that it is also a symbol of the feminine the sacred feminine so did they mean that they made it for the


so did they mean that they made it for the mother goddess which was you know later converted into a very macho masculine kind of thing because these are the two symbols again when we talk about monuments because the ancients had that thing when we talk about signs and symbols you know a sign is basically which has a flash and it goes off but a symbol is something which you concentrate on and you you derive value out of it we have to unpack signs and symbols a little later on right now i just want to stick to pyramids because you're giving me so many places to hit you with tangential questions so sure i have some personal curiosity when it comes to the pyramids sure i mean this is a slightly controversial question do you is it true and i mean i'd probably just like to know your opinion and i know you're a very science-backed researcher you only share information that you know is backed by scientific proof i'll be careful yes yes but i'm still i'm also


be careful yes yes but i'm still i'm also gauging your opinion here about ancient egypt the timeline we are given in schools is about two thousand three thousand years ago yes is it true that the egyptians of that point counted themselves to be a modern civilization as compared to an even more ancient egyptian civilization that existed 50 000 60 000 years ago and i ask you this because of um this whole thing about cataclysmic events the ice ages uh people underestimate how often the earth is hit by asteroids like we assume that one asteroid hit the earth when dinosaurs existed killed off all the dinosaurs and since then it's been relatively okay but that's not true asteroids hit the earth very often right much more often than we understand because our lifespans are what less than like 80 years which is nothing when you compare to the two lakh years of human history sure like even if you come back home they say that the rig was about eight thousand ten thousand


that the rig was about eight thousand ten thousand years old et cetera et cetera right uh i feel like if human civilization evolved in africa two lakh years ago if homo sapiens uh kind of appeared there first there's no way that nothing happened for 1 lakh 97 000 years like some stuff has to have happened i'd like to just know your opinion on this egyptian timeline i believe there have been many mother cultures before this culture so again when you talk about cultures it is very important to understand and this is what i believe that they have they have been not one many mother cultures which were there uh before uh just want to breeze i know like uh you know we'll not touch on the indian part of it today but uh the we talk about sanskrit from where the sanskriti language you know it's sanskriti you know we talk about sanskriti which is like tradition you know and we also have the sanskrit language but what about prakrit


have the sanskrit language but what about prakrit what is prakrit prakrit is another language which was again debated uh talked about uh you know people uh you know have there have been different talks this is the first time in my life i'm hearing this word by the way that's how buried it's got so prakrit is another language and prakrit is what also comes from prakriti you know prakrit you know so we have been having languages or cultures which were in tune with nature and then we start going away from nature so prakrit prakriti even though we talked about signs and symbols you know again brushing it there when we talk about languages all our languages are getting more rectangular squarish we had this mother i go back to mother cultures and mother languages because even one of the older symbol or one of the oldest symbols which we have uh or wonderful archaeologists uh wonderful researchers who have you know discovered is this spiral you know this spiral is again


is this spiral you know this spiral is again a a goddess symbol it's a feminine symbol so when we talk about this symbol and when we have nature which is also given uh as a mother i mean it's mother nature you know we call so again when we talk about such things the mother part was there very strong before you know logic or the the male part comes in and takes over is it a way of saying that society could have been matriarchal for the injury it was matriarchal it was matriarchal yes i actually got a given intro patriarchal societies are where men are sort of the alphas and families the alphas and societies the business owners matriarchal is the opposite where women head businesses head families have a much stronger say in society other politicians of that particular place etc etc uh and you actually see elements of that in kerala in the northeast of india still anywhere now go on so uh we also have like this spiral we have again


uh we also have like this spiral we have again so uh i believe there was there were mothers of uh culture and mother cultures there were mothers of culture and other cultures which we strongly see in amazon uh or we strongly see in many parts of africa even before like we took over i'm not saying one is better than the other i mean we're not getting into that now but uh the most important thing is that is also important so when we talk about egypt we have many symbols there the pyramid the triangle being one of the most important because we have isis we have so many other goddesses which are given so much more importance you know so the mother of ra for that matter like you know so ra itself is a very powerful figure the sun circle circle which is again you know feminine so if society was matriarchal and even i would like to believe that it was um what was the role of men back then um both had now when we see uh even uh


um both had now when we see uh even uh societies or we want to study societies then it was always a balance it was never like if it is material it is like everything women and we have to bow down or everything is no it means uh more attuned to nature more attuned to a very hot emotions feelings the heart over the mind kind of the thing so it doesn't have to mean that you know you a simple a simple uh example would be like uh let's say if you're hunting a thing could be to go brutally hunt and you know yeah you know decimate the animals yes that could be one way of looking at it or you could have many tribes even do it today like they pray to the animal they say i'm really sorry that i have to do this but i have to do this really even when uh the animal is down on the ground the person goes back you know whispers uh things into the animal different uh tribes have different ways of interpreting so this is a


have different ways of interpreting so this is a very uh natural from the heart way of doing things you could do the same thing two different ways i'm not saying that the brutal way is the the patriarchal way of doing it but i'm saying more in tune with nature that's what i in tune with mother nature yes [Music] so as much as even today's societal ills if you could see this is the element which is missing really you know the the drawing back to the matriarchal uh part of it the empathy is missing absolutely so whenever we do a thing when we meet a person in the from the heart the emotions the feelings the mental aligning towards the female part of in us you know of us really and that's really missing the emotion feeling of the emotion part it i mean it says nowhere that i'm going to a different domain now but it doesn't it doesn't mean that you go away from your emotions you identify you approve you be part of it you


you identify you approve you be part of it you know but at the same time if you have to grieve grieve you know there's no way written that you should be a brave man you cannot grieve you cannot cry that's not the part of it so when we say about things like this so it's also a reminder that we cannot go away from nature what we're doing today is decimation of nature the word you use decimation of nature in every abuse absolute abuse whether it's plastics whether it's waters whether it is land anywhere and everywhere if you could abuse them here they are the biggest abusers as a race speaking about the human race the human rights um do you think the ancient human being also developed technologies that were just lost because of the ice age or that were just lost because of cataclysmic events like asteroids because we have vimanas here i am dead sure that you've had discoveries in egypt where you've kind of had a moment where you're like hold on i think


had a moment where you're like hold on i think this is a little too technologically advanced for that time yes again plastic deteriorates over 3000 years and for our civilization that is one of the symbols of technological and scientific advancement but what if those folks had developed their own kind of plastic which was biodegradable what if they were ahead of us we often have this arrogant viewpoint of ourselves as a 2022 civilization it's 2022 this is the most scientifically advanced form of human beings how do you know that time has been around for two lakh years and we only have documented history for about what five thousand six thousand years maybe ten thousand so you don't even know what went on in the one lakh ninety thousand years yes uh and you have to kind of take a step back and view this whole human history story from a macro standpoint and ask yourself did atlantis exist did uh dwarka exist did varka exist you know was the earth's geography and topography completely


know was the earth's geography and topography completely different yes which it was yes um anyway so what do you have to say about this like in terms of technological advancement because you use the pyramids as an example i'm sure your work has brought you to other aspects of technological advancement yes uh now all the other aspects that we talked about the pyramids fantastic what was what if the pyramids were a power source what a battery okay you know a huge battery it's not me it's about you know it's i call upon every researcher who's there to don't believe me don't go by what i say but go research you know go look at things which could prove or disprove the thoughts that you have in your mind you know and that's very important really because when we talk about batteries a part of a battery was also discovered in egypt scientifically it is there okay yes i i invite every viewer or listener to go into depths about what this battery was because again it take up


about what this battery was because again it take up a lot of you know the show no no like you're working off the engine you're in me sir so batteries in the modern day are basically i mean if i remember right it's a cathode and an anode uh positive and negative ions on one side without getting too technical yes yes uh it's not that difficult to create a battery if you dive deep a little bit into science yes you can actually create a battery out of potatoes but what's salty water repeat the questions but what science okay go on that's the most important thing because uh even when we talk about uh the most advanced sciences today we're just mimicking nature robots artificial intelligence when we talk about it's our intelligence that is being mimicked the neuron networks or ml or anything that we talked about it's just mimicking of us but what was it what was the device it was used like you know to power certain other devices what did it look like it is a it's


devices what did it look like it is a it's a funnel like uh i mean it's it's it looks like a funnel it's it's very crude of course it's fun of course it has become crude over time and it has a mouth you know uh that's the reason i said like to explain probably like we could have superimpositions of those images on yes so like so these are the things which were there uh then feels like a battery looks like a battery but is it a battery i mean that's something which is something which we have to delve deep so did it have the same cathode anode it could have had with time things have gone really i mean things which were in place you know have been missing in place but what's the archaeological perspective of assuming that it's a battery because it functions the same way a battery would as in it it functioned when they found it no i mean of course it has degraded if you could call it that but if it were restored to a


call it that but if it were restored to a version like which was workable so it's something which can be made useful sure yeah so there are many tools even like uh you know there are certain tools you would wonder how how would they make it like what let's so i said i gotta die back a little bit so the battery again this is the engineer and me speaking because when you're talking about a battery you're basically talking about electricity right and we talk about edin edison discovering electricity quite recently in the human story yes and here you're saying that possibly two thousand three thousand years back they had electricity yes um i mean the obvious usage of electricity is light possibility okay what do you what do you assume that it uh it could be for various as we know as electricity is just a start it could be power as we know it today or it could be power any other way you know i'm i'm now going on to i'm really trying to balance myself


going on to i'm really trying to balance myself so that i don't cross the science no no sure sure but it could be to power up uh certain other things as we know today you know our ancestors were basically uh interested or aligned towards if it is like really the mother culture or mother cultures they were aligned towards devices which were more in line with nature so i if i was a scientist then i would have devices which would look natural but it would give you the functionality of what we have in plastic or metal today so and if it was aligned with nature it would have degraded over time absolutely it's a possibility it's all these are possibilities which is why we've lost so much technology absolutely it is a it is a very big possibility i'm not saying yes i'm not saying no let me be very you know specific on that but it's a possibility why can't we be you know open to the fact that there there could have been a possibility of such technology is


there could have been a possibility of such technology is really existing i mean if i were to make certain things which i made in the last 2000 3000 years in in alignment with nature i would make it very differently i would make it something which was biodegradable like how we are looking at plastic bags and you know different other things why because we have that consciousness that we can't abuse but if it is coming from a culture which has that as a religion that you can't do this so it would have or it would have technologies which will be aligned or intertwined with that philosophy so it is a great so electricity is something which we know of or which is a kind of power it's the same like as i was telling you like whether we talked let's say if you talked about 25 years ago about bluetooth or let's say the wireless i mean you'd be scoffed at and so what are you talking about like a file going from one place to another without any


a file going from one place to another without any wires you need to be joking but it is a possibility today you know it is research which is you know or learning which has brought that into the visible world if you could call it that so why could is it not a possibility that nature aligned technologies nature technologies which were in line with nature could have existed and would probably would have seen dust yeah i mean one parallel way of looking at it is maybe the human beings of them also went on the same trajectory that we went on developed things that actually harm nature understood that oh wait this is harming nature and then develop more detail and then develop more biodegradable uh alternatives um i refuse to believe that scientific advancement has only happened in the last 200 years 1 lakh 90 000 years is too long a time for human history but the real question is where was all this technology lost i mean okay i probably rephrased that in saying that where was all this knowledge lost because


in saying that where was all this knowledge lost because they would have had instruction manuals stored it somewhere could it have been cataclysmic events uh now this is wonderful here because i would like to and i'm not saying anything here but it's a question again in in this in this uh episode what will or what i'll do rather is raise questions sure so that we can start thinking because questions force you to think really sure and this is the same thing which should apply to everything that we see today whether it is herbs spices so there is the dogon of mali in mali there's the dugon trap which talk about sirius sirius is a star again okay so uh there is there are two brothers so now they do a dance i will not go into too much of details there because we're trying to highlight something which you asked there's a detail uh there's a detailed dance there's a ritual which they perform wherein they do the exact you know going around of the star there are


exact you know going around of the star there are two stars again so one is a heavier star so they call it the name there is also specifically it means that the heaviest brother or the heavier brother you know so uh we have that which is a dance they also know like how and it is a tribe which is cut off from i mean they have nothing it's a very ancient uh ritual that they have now this dance is performed for certain uh you know rituals there are there are certain occasions uh traditional occasions which is performed the most interesting thing about this is that this star cannot be seen by the naked eye so how did they know it's up there absolutely so could there be clues in what we do as rituals today could there be clues in uh you know the things that we do like maybe we do rt or maybe we go to a particular temple temples are also called vimanas i'll just not do that so again like when we do certain uh like


that so again like when we do certain uh like uh you know things is there a hidden message there which is out there i mean to decipher to decode to de-evolve and evolve again or did aliens come and tell us about these stars now these are all open questions that's a possibility as well let's talk about the most important part of this particular episode ancient aliens sir [Laughter] what's your opinion on ancient aliens and we're not doing this from a history channel perspective you know the show ancient aliens which just said everything is because of aliens but not going down that perspective what i will ask you though is uh about signs and symbols related to alien life extraterrestrials ufos this is there across world civilization there's a reason that ancient aliens is even a concept spoken about but i feel if anyone has to have an opinion about ancient aliens it should be a historian like yourself what's up ah there's something like which you know uh many people even on


something like which you know uh many people even on flights like people ask me like what do you think about it it's a very interesting and intriguing question at the same time uh alien now when we have the when we talk about aliens we have this you know oblong you know huge-headed grey man it's kind of people who pop up in our mind but alien could be very similar to you and me i could be an alien do you think aliens could have had sex with monkeys and made human beings um again a question which is a possibility again like there are so many variations like you know it is a possibility when we talk about aliens what are we really talking about is it a race of people who are really far ahead in their sciences i mean how different could they be from us like really you know uh even us if we are like alien to some other places how different are we from them like it could be many of these things could be defined by the planet that they come from really


be defined by the planet that they come from really so this could be the defined but what if aliens are you know this is again just taking it ahead from where you left it aliens are within us like really even today yeah so i mean expand that thought a little bit i think i think what you mean is the comets that have hit earth from outer space have carried microbes yes which found their way onto the earth and i believe there's a theory about fungi in general absolutely like fungus mushrooms yes they say came from asteroids absolutely so so it doesn't have to be just like walking talking human beings you know it could be those microorganisms we have even water is alien yeah that's true yes so it's it's i mean you're talking about the ancient history of the earth as a planet yes which got hit by an ass which got hit by a comet yes and water was created like you know it was never like part of us because there was droplets of water on their ass right


because there was droplets of water on their ass right before like you know all these uh even the smallest organisms to come forth and the comfort in the way like because of water you know so how they thrived is another question so this is so when we talk about life itself like so all these organisms microorganisms so even what we look for in other planets we have been sending so many space missions like outside now what we are looking for or seeking for and we get them from there to here now we have been growing um you know different vegetables on the soil which we have got from uh moon you know so what if you know even on planets that we assume there was no water what if there was water like the desert uh like you know which you've had sahara for that matter what if there was it was a ocean because we have had instances where and you could see shells in the middle of the sahara yes so it could be possible that where there was water there's no water


be possible that where there was water there's no water now planets what if it was a landing base wherein like you know it these are all possibilities you know uh when big huge aliens come in and they vote for some time and they see earth oh this is happening like a tv channel and they go off let's go help these monkeys here it's it's a possibility not even like uh really getting them and uh getting them down to say okay these are uh maybe they see themselves in us you know maybe it's a race which wants to help maybe it's a race which feels like these organisms compassion you know what what do the earth's ancient cultures actually say about this in their signs and symbols because they have been symbols of like flying objects that are found vimanas for that matter or even when you come back closer home we talk about dave loke and other beings there's a lot of astrophysics hidden within just indian scriptures um you know i'd like to know what say


um you know i'd like to know what say ancient egypt thought of aliens or even south american cultures or aliens or african cultures you're an africanist they have been these mentions of beings even i believe when you talk about ra and uh what's the female goddess name isis isis uh there are some kind of alien elements attached to raha and isis so i'd actually like to know your perspective while you're studying uh archaeology because i'm sure this question has popped up in your head as well there have been symbols which are out worldly to say the least i would start with a one of my favorite like the spiral which could also be the symbol that we have in our dharma sanatana dharma as we call it like the um the the three spirals are kind of each going into another and it's one of the oldest one of the oldest symbols but how how can you think about something like that which talks about the whole world as a cycle and not just one cycle but


world as a cycle and not just one cycle but interconnected cycles you know so how do you explain that so uh it it's it's very difficult when you know when such symbols find place as i said it's not a sign it's a symbol uh parking uh if you could i mean if you could talk about symbols it's something to make you think which is something to give a direction so for for such symbols to have like the trident there are so many fire itself like in so many different forms sun if it was for a crude person like the sun going i mean it would be another thing like but it being so much given so much importance you know the scent it is the center of so many things in fact the moon you know there are so many things in fact which and why this fascination with the things outside in the sky when you're walking and in the jungle let's say assuming the the the everyday schedule of came and let's say you go out you hunt come back make a score


you go out you hunt come back make a score you know eat maybe you know do whatever but why this fascination with direction why this fascination with math these are not look i mean forgive me i'm i'm calling it higher sciences but these are not like something which uh unorganized or disorganized uh mind would feed into these are things when you have reached up to finesse as we call it like you know beauty is not something which you know is just laid on the table it comes with time it comes with constant you know preparation you know research getting it then the finesse comes in so similarly like when we talk about uh all these older symbols whether it is uh you know the different gods that we have created like whether it is in the greek civilization the roman civilization the egyptian why them were they really i mean it's as though they were real they are real why why are there only parallels why are there so many parallels like zeus yes yes yes yes yes yes whether


like zeus yes yes yes yes yes yes whether it's uh you know uh i was i was just tempted but we'll probably take that for another thing but there are so many gods which which are so many sim i mean there are so many similarities in so many cultures so uh how are they so similar and when they are ears or even geographically uh apart and why the sudden splurge of certain symbols in certain places all together at the same time around the same span of time these are questions which intrigue again so as i said like fertility symbols whether it's the mother symbols the fertility symbols whether it's you know the masculine the patriarchal symbols the whether it's a palace or whether it is you know other symbols which have found uh you know fascination with stars fascination with uh you know the the universal uh flow of it you know uh fascination with thoughts fascination with nature these are all things which are there like part of the different you know i mean you can't


part of the different you know i mean you can't have a mind which is not ready for such things which is like in the hum of things observe and make such such things in such detail so this is uh these are like fertility symbols is something which what about what about ancient stories so like um you know all these stories we hear about from indian culture forget indian culture for a minute even when you actually get into egyptian culture they have so many stories yes where they talk about these beings arriving on like ships etc what do you make of all that it could be the ancients were brilliant and aware like they found they never put all the eggs in one basket so whenever they have or had a message they put it into different media so drawings could be one on documentation like papyrus you know or some other media like paper later or that could be one before that stones you know etching on the stones another very powerful thing that they also used was oral songs traditional because every person like you


used was oral songs traditional because every person like you know has to do a particular event or a certain series of things before he or she becomes something maybe an adulthood ceremony a birth ceremony a initiation ceremony now they all have some message from the past now what is that message and what does that remind us or what does what is it supposed to guide us or to say to us is something which we'll have to figure out so when we say whether it's the bible or the you know whether it's the egyptian stories again whether it's bhagavatam or gita so they all have stories what if they are more deep what if they have a story within a story what if they have important messages to deliver unpack as you say the word again again unpack and give to you on a plate which is just not the same you know everyday things that we do you know what if there is a symbolism there is a meaning to it what if it's a warning don't fall over the cliff


if it's a warning don't fall over the cliff be mindful yeah it's a message from the past yeah because human beings have gone many have gone you know there are many signs i remember like no many have gone over please be careful you know those kind of messages like it means that you drive slow you watch out priorities should be different let's talk a little bit about signs and symbols and crop circles you know but signs and symbols uh what does that even mean like this is the first time someone's brought up this topic on the show and kind of embarrassed to say that signs and symbols have never crossed my mind in a very long time like last time it crossed my mind was when i was watching ancient aliens on the history channel why does it fascinate you so much is it because it carries messages it carries deep messages and what's the difference i think you touched upon it earlier on this episode you said that symbols are something you absorb yeah science is something like this