called trufy right and what kufa is trying to do i hope i i explain this right otherwise uh i don't want to disappoint him but what 25 does is that they're basically building um a centralized place where they will have credit scores of everybody today we have for example in india use you use civil score right similarly on the blockchain people are borrowing and they are you know lending money based on how good you are in paying back they are creating a credit score which is accessible by all the other apps not just lending all the other apps so basically everyone's credit is getting created on a blockchain which can be shared by everyone which is very very powerful right but will they have names like joshua credit so much when we created so much yeah so i think like identities in in you know sort of in the crypto world is like a sort of whole different topic so right now they don't have names they have wallet addresses right so you can put a name to it you can you know


can put a name to it you can you know sort of stay anonymous um so that's that's what it is it's basically publicly ranking you based on how good you are at the game of money absolutely i mean how good how reliable you are you know what is you know credit based on essentially it's based on your behavior in history right you build up a credit score based on that i have an analogy but i don't know how like appropriate it is but basically you know torrents right yeah so torrance is like p2p kind of thing right i like you know someone uploads a file they see that two ten people they seed it again and you have a ratio download can have like uploaded so much yeah so it's kind of similar to that think of it like p2p lending for a decentralized finance kind of okay yeah like i am lending to someone else there's no intermediary because the system is automated so it's kept and nothing over there can ever get lost because all that data is you


can ever get lost because all that data is you know on the blockchain it's the value of that startup in the data when people say data is the new oil therefore that startup has created this bank of data yeah uh but then how is this startup rafale startup making money in terms of just by holding data because you said that the data is publicly available to everyone else so how do they make money of course there are multiple ways like there are platforms who charge like a fee for by themselves you know which is of course like not as uh you know sort of high or stuff like that so there are multiple ways through which these platforms make money for facilitating this right they get rewarded like you said data's oil you know recently i spoke to someone who had made an ai for real estate right in the major collection like this company called anarchy one of india's largest residential sales marketing companies so we spoke to uh mr sunil mishra built their ai and it basically what he was talking


their ai and it basically what he was talking about is that the first process was collecting consumer and lead data for so many years to build that database and why that database was valuable is that when they started writing these algorithms to decide which leads are good and all of that they could train it on this data and they had all this data to work off of right so they had to make the database and why that database was valuable is it trained their algorithm and now they can say which lead is good mr sales person you know concentrate on this guy he has a good chance of buying got it another great product cred they said we will serve top one percent of you know indian economy right those are our customers and they said this is an app to play credit card bills you know so when you pay credit card bills on grade guess what do they have your data yeah how credible you are and when they have that they can build like 10 000 projects on top of it they can start


10 000 projects on top of it they can start lending you they can start you know multiple other things i believe kunal said this publicly said that we're creating a community of highly reliable people yes and that is the actual product yeah so they can turn credit into anything if they have retained users and data on those retained users they can say oh we're e-commerce for like luxury products yes and instead of going to your local fancy mall and buying it why don't you buy it off grid exactly once you have data you get to mold your business in any form that you wish um coming back to d5 when we sing decentralized finance and when i say okay banks might get redundant so could you give me sort of an actual product picture of what a defy uh application would be in order to replace banks like if i say okay i don't want to work with the existing banks right you know i'll do my banking on a d5 based product what would that look like like what does


based product what would that look like like what does that include or it doesn't already exist yeah it definitely does so uh basically banks make money by lending right and that's like a big portion of how banks make money um on default platforms you can just go you can start lending there um and you know borrowers will pay you based on you know whatever credibility they have and if there are losses it basically gets you know distributed amongst all the lenders so there is lesser risk and stuff like that right uh another thing which is making money off money right so this this concept of staking you know on the d5 platform sticking is nothing but validating transactions right so you can if let's say i have x amount of it i can go on d5 platforms and i can stake those eats and i'll get certain interest rate on my eats right and all that money is doing is acting as a validator on different transactions and i'm making my interest right so i think and and also just a big


right so i think and and also just a big thing which i think a lot of people you know who are like web 2 people who you know sort of don't believe in web 3 or i get both the sides blockchain does not necessarily make everything more efficient right decentralization is highly inefficient right you need centralization in a lot of things i agree but one of the things which people often miss is that this has no end people can keep building on top of it right so what it's gonna look like five years later nobody knows people will keep trying things and they'll keep trying to make sense and uh what do you mean this has no end versus a system which has an end in terms of what like the systems we see in the world right now like the banks there's a limit to their capabilities so you're saying that these decentralized systems you can be creative and come up with new solutions for problems exactly and you can also be creative in a centralized way but the power also gets


creative in a centralized way but the power also gets centralized right so all i'm saying is that the inefficiencies exist in the system but those inefficiencies won't stay forever so it's not a fair comparison to compare the existing system to this system because this system is just five years old existing systems decades right and even for money the existing systems like a pyramid right like you keep going up in the pyramid even banks get their money from a central bank yeah right central banks deal with each other it's based on that so it like eventually it comes down to just these reserves and banks like at the top of this system and therefore it's centralized because they are the ones controlling the supply and printing of money so here now the system is opened up to anyone who can take it where again like that's that's we don't know like for example if if i have to ask you that you know sort of uh ranveeh's life is going to be controlled by this one power would you prefer that one


controlled by this one power would you prefer that one power to be that one person who says you know you'll have to do whatever i say or would you prefer that one power to be thousands of people and you'll say that okay whatever the community says i'll do because a few people might be corrupt but corrupting thousands is harder right so i think that's that's the fundamental difference here um you know so i actually want to cut away and bring back some lightness i want to say that uh the listeners really need to go and check out the hindi conversation we did we spoke a lot about future tech for some reason in that podcast usually our hindi podcast about cultural stories history things like that so i'm glad that flava entered that particular podcast check out trs clips because the podcast are honestly going to get a little heavier and i understand it's not everyone's cup of tea to uh consume something like this in one go unless you're a brainiac like this man sitting next to


you're a brainiac like this man sitting next to me mr tal raja we spoke about the present of money uh both you gents please talk about the future of money as in d5 is one aspect of it what else is going to happen so something which is really exciting which i'm like most excited about in this space is daos which are decentralized organizations right which basically says that right now so first we talked about decentralizing power of you know for money which was bitcoin but now you're saying that hey um some of the biggest tech companies in the world are just getting bigger and bigger right because they have all the data and they're making money off you you are the product you're spending a ton of time on using these apps and these apps have data on you and they're using that data to make money by selling it to advertisers right um so essentially they're making money off your time right and off your data so decentralized organizations came up with this concept or it is the


organizations came up with this concept or it is the concept that um companies should be built and the power should not be concentrated to you know few people it needs to be distributed to the community so first of all in web 3 it's web 2 plus ownership right if you're using something you can own a part of it right decentralized organizations are basically not a few people owning a company like right now we know that companies founders investors etc control majority decentralized organizations community controls most of it and community is its users and community has ownership so if that dao does well then its users get rewarded how does a dow do well or badly they create a product together exactly the product or sell the service absolutely if let's say instagram was a dow and you have to make a decision that hey we want to launch reels right so they'll create a recommendation that you want to launch reels and the community votes for it and since the community is the users themselves then they can probably vote for the


users themselves then they can probably vote for the best thing because they would know what they want and if they succeed they will also get rewarded right if the company grows then the value of you know whatever they hold tokens etc its value increases as well okay with any centralized organization like you talk about any like you spoke at instagram right it's a platform the platform has the control in the end this is power to the people right the platform is like everyone has a stake in the platform so then the platform is everyone's right so imagine you have a content platform where there's no middleman you make the content the community votes on the guidelines of the organization and the distribute like the the proceeds and the costs are born split yeah by the community like a couple of companies let's say you're a creator right then you're depending on four or five platforms right those platforms are controlled by a few companies right and you have no say in it so they can change stuff which can affect lives of


they can change stuff which can affect lives of all the creators and the users and the users right and and that is a great example is introducing reels pumping it through the algorithm and therefore culturally everyone's attention spans are reducing exactly yes so you're saying that what i anticipate is again speaking purely from the world of social media getting to see how people evolve attention spans have reduced we're going to hit a point where people go like i want my attention span back and then go into this dao based uh product and service and there's gonna be some sort of massive evolution in the world of social media as well even the idea that there's going one step back that there's an algorithm that curates what you see yes that also is something that like you know like a dao is like it takes away from all of these problems and you own your data right you can you you can have ownership of it right like it's no got it uh what are your hot takes on where social


it uh what are your hot takes on where social media is going i personally feel like does like all the science fiction i read okay it's uh there's a shift towards the collective based on technology that's the theme i see broadly so whether it's like you know like think of a large llp like 100 startup yeah that everyone who buys and joins the company gets like a little equity so you all own the company you're all on the platform so i think technology is going to be an enabler to let people have a stake in what they do instead of like rent seeking you know where you have to give a cut to a middleman or like a platform or whatever i think uh i'm more on the side of uh communities i think community is the new real estate and as we go along people are going to need that sense of belongingness because they'll be working remote and whatnot um and they will find that sense of belongingness or their tribe in a community and it is going to


their tribe in a community and it is going to be more and more community oriented rather than just broadly open um i thought we're doing a lighter version is probably the heaviest as much as we try we gravitate towards this somehow i don't i don't know why how was the hindi one getting light constantly i think it's that whole logic about your personality changes in different languages and all three of us are these genders so boys tell me about your sex life oh okay we are going straight there no no i'm kidding this is the end of the show thank you for listening wait do you all want to add something money okay anything any guy people listening want to get rich any recommendation we'll do that fast recommendations yes recommendation to become rich uh read about new technology because within a few years we'll actually be able to invest in it all right i was about to say read but travel travel travel a lot i think that gives you new perspectives and lots of new learnings come on yes


perspectives and lots of new learnings come on yes come on man you can do it i just investing in yourself being a builder being out there learning constantly and and uh you know focusing more on consistency rather than you know one big event in which life is going to change that's not going to happen um if you just spend like one hour on something in a direction where you want to move i think that can change your life so be a builder and do something right you know like be curious and and when you keep building something and keep failing i think that is the biggest thing most people you know fail more you know i think like maximum number of projects fail because they don't even get started so start those projects right failures are going to teach you and you'll start new projects okay maybe i'll take the signing off note uh the signing of note is that this has been a learning of the last year working with hershel karya on level specifically hard work is important but making big


on level specifically hard work is important but making big money in life is not just about how hard you work it's about who you work with and it's about what you work on that's how massive money is made in life so choose your inner tribe like very carefully uh understand the best possible product or service you can build and then work hard but don't don't just find out in like a job you don't enjoy in a career you don't enjoy i don't think i'm going to keep working that's not a life worth living man you choose happiness and uh tal raja being next to me always gives me that amount of happiness mr jesua thank you for being on this slightly finance special uh thank you guys i just hope that you all are showered with juices from your dreams that's what i'm asking yeah thank you if you enjoyed that conversation you've gotta check out the hindi podcast that we did in the same setting with yash and ayush some incredible breakdowns of specifically


and ayush some incredible breakdowns of specifically future tech i think this one also had lots of elements about money and economics that one was specifically catered to the engineers we're trying to bring you very varied content across both the hindi and the english podcast so make sure you follow trs on spotify very spotify exclusive which means that every episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world that's right trs bringing you the best content in the world we'll see you soon enjoy like share subscribe [Music] you


what is this are we doing another solo podcast okay i'm gonna cut to the chase we're in my bedroom it's solar podcast time solar podcasts for me are all about relaying information reeling perspectives that's why i take breaks from doing solo podcasts i allow perspectives to sit in my head but my entrepreneurial journey began with social media with monk entertainment with learning about the subject from viraj and above all with sustaining my own brand over seven years fortunately thanks to all your love thanks to all your support but also thanks to a deep study of that subject and a lot of mentoring from the best in the business the business of social media the business of business in general i have access to the best minds thanks to the podcast thanks to staying in this beautiful city called mumbai and above all thanks to regulating my own brain about social media every single day of my life since august 15 2015. the day i began youtube the day i released my first youtube video social media


the day i released my first youtube video social media in 2022 is in a very awkward situation everyone knows short content is here to stay everyone knows short content has taken over instagram and youtube primarily let's face it these are the two platforms at the forefront keep in mind twitter is the most powerful platform the right audiences the most powerful audiences are on twitter linkedin is where the corporate world is at but instagram and youtube at the forefront when you think of a new brand when a new person comes up in conversation when a new concept comes up in conversation people often search for it on instagram it's a very important part of our lives at least for now in the early 20s it has cultural significance now the way tech products work a product means what instagram looks like what instagram feels like the features within instagram and all these features the way they work the algorithms everything around it is centered around a few bunch of people sitting in silicon valley and thinking about how to increase the time spent


valley and thinking about how to increase the time spent by users on instagram and i'm assuming that in the modern day the product team sitting in silicon valley have figured that really pushing reels on instagram is the way to grip people as much as possible because just the nature of reels all that sexual content all that football or cricket content if you're a sports lover all those cute funny videos that's what's addictive for the human mind that's what gives you the quick dopamine release the greatness of tick tock wasn't down to how many people uploaded content on it or the quality of the content the greatness of tik-tok in the product world in the startup world is usually attributed to the team of psychologists the team of ml people that's machine learning that's artificial intelligence and the team sitting and creating that product they made it an addictive product because if you used it as a user within two or three minutes the ai built inside the tik-tok algorithm would understand your mind and


the tik-tok algorithm would understand your mind and show you exactly the content you would like to see which very often was sexual content because that's what most of the world thinks about it's kind of what's happening on instagram as well so many people are rising because of sexuality it's just the nature of it right now you can't fight the times instagram reels began about a year and a half ago and a year and a half ago photos on instagram mattered igtvs mattered one minute videos mattered and now all these three domains according to me are either dead or dying in fact instagram has actually announced recently that they're switching off like completely shutting down the independent igtv app that they created which was actually supposed to go and compete with youtube vertical videos are the new norm but it's all about short vertical videos so if you want to grow on social media unless you're on twitter it's all about short content algorithms affect our behavior affect our mental health affect the way we perceive life


our mental health affect the way we perceive life and definitely affect the people we choose to follow on social media now if you want to grow on social media it's all about using short content but using it well understand that the short contender works on youtube shorts which is also the forefront of the brand just by the way they've changed their logo to that s right what does that mean that means youtube wants you to upload more shots use more shorts i talk to a lot of kids who use only shorts on youtube that's not what i did when i was 14 or 15 years old i spend a lot of time with professionals from social media who spend all the time on shorts and reviews it's here to stay it's kind of sad because long-form content as well as people's patience in their mind has kind of died a slow death because of short-form content it is what it is i'm not one of those people who say you know i lost my career because of it this is so difficult


lost my career because of it this is so difficult shorts came and up for everyone no these are the times we live in when there's cultural shifts you flow with the cultural shift you have to adapt yourself to doing good quality short form content on instagram what blows up are popular songs trends very interesting reels with interesting beginnings on youtube understand that especially if you're an infotainment consumer the youtube algorithm has a lot of data about your head i was talking to my friend the pancho raj aka eclipse nova aka the co-founder of big brain co what he told me is that he gains a lot of value from his youtube shots more value for his youtube shots than he gains from his long-form youtube experiences so right now we are assuming and of course there's no way to be sure about this but this is what we assume from a bit of pattern recognition youtube shorts is promoting really informational reels a lot more so that's where we're at when it comes to reels and anticipated this is


at when it comes to reels and anticipated this is going to keep changing every six months to a year these kind of trends i don't use the word trends but these kind of patterns are going to change on instagram it will be about those trends like that all that is going to keep going on popular songs catchy it's going to be the sexualization of course is gonna be there sexualization was such a big part of ig even when i was in college back in 2011. sex is always going to be a part of social media that's it that's where we're at focus on your short form content master it use good quality cameras if you can good quality lighting try telling stories in your shots make shots very interesting very visual lots of sound effects put your editing intensity behind a shot i would even go as far as saying if you're a younger creator if you've just begun don't even try long form content right now it's the age of short form content you've got to ride away first there's


form content you've got to ride away first there's no way as a young creator with limited resources will you be able to do all these platforms together which brings me to point number two where are we at when it comes to long-form content i'll tell you where my generation of creators is that when it comes to long-form content everyone is thinking about what to do next in their careers everyone's made money everyone's still making money so it's not about money and growth anymore it's about i hate saying this it's about boredom people are kind of bored by just doing their youtubing gig again and again i'm personally not only because of my team only because i'm surrounded by a lot of younger talent also because i have the financial stability to be able to afford a good quality editing unit and really enjoy my filmmaking process also because i'm single and i'm documenting every day of my life on our hindi vlogs it's absolutely fun even though i document all days of my


absolutely fun even though i document all days of my life we only put up the best bits and you only put it up once a week because there's a much lesser demand for long-form content changes on social media are often down to demand and supply right now the demand for long-term content has gone down and gradually seeing the supply go down as well because creators are picking up on it what's working in long form of course we know web series style shows youtube is sort of starting to compete with ott platforms so anything that has a story anything that's created very well will work as for creators i feel lots of people obviously as you know have transitioned into vlogs you'll see that even more i think vlogs are going to be the new medium to express yourself creatively as a content creator if you don't wish to be on an ott platform or if you aren't on an ott platform yet blogs are a great place to showcase your filmmaking that's what youtube is going to turn into when it comes


what youtube is going to turn into when it comes to long-form content but parallelly the only other form of long-form content that i see surviving is deeply edited deeply researched content there are three masters of this according to me the first two are veterans the third one is big brain co i think they're doing a fantastic job should check it out if you haven't already this isn't just a shameless plug go study the videos of big brain co to understand why the videos are doing well why is the channel grown to 300k subs so fast in the modern day going to 300k without doing short form is difficult something that's gone right in that channel and the right is deep research good writing but primarily great editing now the two veterans who i feel are the masters of long form and the two content creators that i have the most respect for in the world are being new dhruvarati they pick all the boxes i think they're here to stay i think they have to evolve i think they have


i think they have to evolve i think they have to grow i think they are the flag bearers of meaningful impactful long-form content that's where long-term content is at we're talking about the third and final point it's sort of a manual for young creators rule number one when it comes to the manual for young creators is study the subject of social media a couple of years ago i think we released a hindi series about social media and it is slightly outdated but many of those rules still apply so please go check it out when you have time it's in hindi i might do an english one if this particular video gets 50k likes let's keep that as the target for this one because 50k likes we will do a detailed english social media series if it doesn't then share it with your friends and get it to 50k like the day this crosses 50k we'll do an english solo podcast series about social media okay coming back to the point manual for young creators study the theory of social media


manual for young creators study the theory of social media there's lots of online courses lots of creators are paying for themselves through online courses everyone's selling the same kind of courses how to grow on social media how to grow a podcast how to grow your brand on how to grow personal brand i feel online courses had their time in the limelight it was a great income source for many creators i personally don't see it lasting beyond a certain point i think the audience has caught on to the fact that you know if you yourself are not past 100k subscribers how you teaching me um about social media etc you get the tangent but if you want to learn about social media all the content you possibly need is out there on youtube and it's out there in your own mind as long as you analyze social media from a product perspective you ask yourself what am i being shown by the algorithms what am i being recommended um what are the kind of conversations that come up in social situations you'll


conversations that come up in social situations you'll kind of know what kind of social media content to create if you really put social media as a concept at the forefront of your mind you'll be fine along with studying the theory so study the theory rule number one rule number two think of social media from a very analytical perspective rule number three select very few games at the beginning as i said short content is here to stay if you have business inclinations if you want to make a lot of money twitter don't go beyond that just target instagram right now if you wish to target youtube if you're an infotainment creator create more shots so rule number three don't try doing too much initially especially when you don't have a team rule number four work towards building a team you have to learn teamwork you have to learn leadership you have to have a vision the only way you'll be able to do that is when you ask yourself why you're doing social media next rule very crucial a zenith report claims


media next rule very crucial a zenith report claims that 177 billion dollars will be spent on the world of social media it's just overtaken the world of television spends television spend standard about 170 for 175 this is going to go up to 177 that's the projected spends on social media and social media spends are going to go up very lightly okay understand money in this domain is increasing so you have a game to play but if you want to make money a year from now two years from now you've got a strategy in place please treat your social media brand like a startup and the next and final point is that massive social media numbers are always an outcome half of what you do on social media but the other half is based on what you do in the real world are you a business person are you a youtuber are you a good writer are you a sports person you know we see those actors and these shows like money heist we see money highest actors we see actors of squid game


see money highest actors we see actors of squid game we see actors of indian shows like mismatch their numbers spike up after those shows are released and on the other end of the spectrum we've got social media content creators who are doing hisai they are releasing a lot of content really working towards it and they're gradually rising up i am one of those people but the kind of surges you get from real world achievements overshadows the growth you get from just being an active social media creator some people might say oh the grass is green on the other side and there's a long struggling phase on the other side of that spectrum but in truth that's what it is so if you're a social media creator think about what you wish to do in the world outside of social media and if you're just beginning on social media first establish yourself as a social media creator there's a lot of money to be owned there's a lot of growth to be seen but the key here and the final two rules from


but the key here and the final two rules from this manual are one always approach creativity with a process that is sustainable don't burn yourself out do what you enjoy which brings in the numbers and two have an exit strategy in your mind this is not a very joyful job i have a mentor a friend a brother ashish tulsian he's a bootstrapped multi-millionaire big angel investor in the gurkham circuit i asked him what he thinks of social media from the outside and he said this very beautiful statement which i agree with he said that when you choose to be a social media creator as a full-time job you're signing a contract with your own anxiety because you will constantly have ups and downs and because of the psychological theory of negative biases you're going to focus much more on the downs you're always going to be living in a little bit of fear of losing out in your relevance of fading away etc etc you are your last piece of content there's always a demand for


your last piece of content there's always a demand for more content the world hasn't seen a job like this there are other very difficult jobs in the world taking nothing away from them this tests your creativity and emotional balance in a very different way therefore have some sort of an exit strategy when it comes to social media ask yourself at what point you want to exit ask yourself what you wish to do after it and more effectively ask yourself how much money you need to earn your freedom for that understand personal finance etc etc and to understand all these different subjects make sure you follow the ranveer show this was a social media special that i hope you enjoyed and you gain value from solo podcast will only come out once in a while because i need time to think and absorb what's happening around me enjoy good luck namaste love you [Music] [Music] you


hey guys this is a very important episode of the ranvi show it's a story that should be explained by the chief strategist in the 2611 mission when mumbai was under one of the worst terror attacks in human history this is the man was responsible for strategizing the rescue as well as strategizing the safety of mumbai citizens going forward after this attack trust me as a mumbai citizen we felt the difference after this particular terror attack we haven't seen anything like this since fortunately this is the inside story about 26 11. this is ips officer dee shevan who returns on the ranvi show after giving us a spectacular episode about the indian mafia of the 90s you'll like this one even more i hope you enjoyed i hope you share it with all your friends and i hope you follow us on spotify every episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world this is episode number two with ipsd [Music] welcome back to the ranvi show thank you so much


welcome back to the ranvi show thank you so much i enjoyed the last conversation i hope i'll do this also yes i think uh it's about time that the police force of the country is kind of brought to the forefront in the world of content so and if you're talking about the police force especially in mumbai we can't not mention the 2008 terrorist attacks and i think so this episode we'll do is a special related to that incident so i mean let's dive straight into it so fine go shoot i would like to ask you in 2021 how do you look back at it and in 2008 when it had just started happening what was happening in your eyes i look at this incident uh as a very very unforgettable incident but one would like to forget it as a as a nightmare but however you can't because it's such a massive thing literally as i said last time it was a war waged by a neighboring country on a independent sovereign india which is having


on a independent sovereign india which is having 1.4 billion people third biggest army blah blah blah but it happened and it is unforgettable because a very very large number of people died i mentioned last time that uh the um first blast ever in india was on 12 march 1993 in which 257 people officially were dead and the 800 odd people were injured and many hundreds of them were missing after that the biggest event uh we could say was that uh 2006 uh the train blast eleven blast about 207 people killed 714 people injured and 11 first class compartment blown into pieces that is the biggest thing pakistani hand was very visible abu shima is the man who came there and didn't went away but later this one is the biggest one but in between there are so many blasts it's a very bizarre god copper bus incident and various incidents have taken place there was a chain of events actually all over the country in the year 2008 jaipur 18 blasphemy bangalore it took


year 2008 jaipur 18 blasphemy bangalore it took place in surat about 18 blasts or 21 blast was supposed to happen but didn't happen due to a faulty circuit and things like that 2000 year was a very very horrible year as far as this terrorism was concerned because everybody was involved had lost someone or the other someone was very closely related there were marriages taking place reception taking place dinners were happening all sorts of things happening and then um good people high net worth individuals and all sorts of things happened so this was the incident which anybody uh however much they try to forget cannot forget as a country we can't forget so i think in 2018 nawaz sharif actually suggested that the pakistan government was involved in this but it was just a suggestion you know pakistan was involved there is no doubt about that because all these guys were trained in a place called across karachi and then they were trained to do seafaring activities and all that


were trained to do seafaring activities and all that and out of a few hundred people trained these ten guys were selected and sent they were like an army commandos only i've seen nine dead bodies when they were warm and one fellow alive that is a ajimal kasab so um whether nawaz sharif says or not indian government has proved beyond doubt through un or usa or to various others they have sent tons of papers to government of pakistan because they were supposed to do the trial there lucky and various others were supposed to be tried but then there is a sham they are all doing a sham investigation sham trial spam everything and then the two people who are involved that uh rana and that other man who came uh what's his name um the one in the usa is being kept there and bradley no are headless yeah what's his name uh robert hadley headley hill not no robert knight some other red lea so i'll tell you in a minutes time so that


so i'll tell you in a minutes time so that guy was also involved and he's a pakistani turned american and then he came here and to do this uh ricky reiki yeah he had ties with rahul bhatta i think yeah he know what eyes he just used him like anybody else would use and things like that no action was ever taken against rahul but or anything both of them are incarcerated in the usa and our own cbi and other investigators did go there nia and others go there and they uh interviewed them and came back um so when it broke out like in 2008 on that particular night as a 14 year old i remember it very clearly you know i remember there was whispers about it being a gang war and then eventually people realized oh it's much more than that but what was happening in your eyes and where were you on that night you know i was not doing policing work at the time i was doing commissioner intelligence for the state the intelligence set up for


commissioner intelligence for the state the intelligence set up for the city is separate the city police commissioner from 1885 or 1835 this is a separate setup the commission rate is about 150 years old now and commissioner has independent status and then his intelligence setup is uh additional commissioner police special branch one so we were not involved in that i was part of the let us say director general of police office uh next to taj you know that's the office where i i used to work and then uh that night specifically we were in a doctor's place near phoenix palladium complex and we were having dinner with a few doctors and suddenly this tv got on and then this thing came and went to the office and then the next three or four days i couldn't go home at all because i stayed there with the director general of police minister a and roy and we assisted helped and the government the cm rising with the various central agencies army military all sorts of things happened chief secretary


military all sorts of things happened chief secretary civil administration all that happened there and i was part of that aiding the director general of police and various others for example nsc came we helped them nsg kmi we help them various other things like that this is a continuous event and continuously something or the other was happening so uh the commissioner police at that time was a different person i became commissioner police after the incident was over so so i mean what i'm assuming is again you are known for your sense of strategy like throughout your career so you worked as a strategist to counter this particular event but i'd also love to know what the general police force in mumbai was thinking when this was breaking out because we've we've read all those names vijay salas all these people what was the general mood in there i want to take you to the little bit of a background earlier only the intelligence bureau and various other agencies had given this intelligence the american two


other agencies had given this intelligence the american two americans have written a book the journalists and much of it is based on the rd pradhan committee where mr hardy pradhan and ia's officer ex-home secretary of government of india and also belonging to maharashtra cutter and then one ips officer who worked as special secretary in the cabinet secretariat that is rnaw mr baal shandar and v balachandran they were asked to investigate by the government of maharashtra later so as a commissioner of inquiry and then they had also found and there were six pieces of intelligence which had come but you know intelligence cannot be that on this date this time this place also will come wearing a blue mask and things like that it can't be precise in bits and pieces six pieces of intelligence is there in the two two journalists who have written that uh book the american journalist very clearly they had borrowed all these things uh and liberally they have quoted at all that so it is a piece of


quoted at all that so it is a piece of that adi pradhan committee enquiry also they have mentioned about this six piece of intelligence the generally if you without going into details we can say that it had indicated that there would be a c bound attack the people will come through the sea and there will be an attack on hotels which are located on the sea show that is they mentioned about 10 12 hotels uh taji was there oberoi was there marriott and various uh the intercontinental and like that on the sea coast whatever hotels were there they were all given and the the the the ig terrorism anti-terrorism group group that is uh mr hemant karkary had called all the general managers of these hotels and gave it to them in writing orders and took a meeting and put it on record minutes are there saying that this kind of an attack can happen you do one thing wow i mean he gave 30 40 points to for them to follow close this close this block this that one this one that


this close this block this that one this one that one all was told it's in writing and so the intelligence was there awareness was there and they were told hoteliers were told that this could happen when was this but that was let us say three months or four months or a a time before that but then the pakistanis are not duty-bound to do as and when you are aware about it or as and when you got the intelligence these kind of conspiracies they had planned for a long time and they executed at a time and place when they felt comfortable so i hope you understand that so i'm also warning you and your viewers that the next kind of attack if ever happens in the last let us say 12 13 years nothing happened but patan could happen uri happened and various other incidents in there there and here it has not happened because we are fully prepared we are ready our force is very fine-tuned so touchwood it may not happen mumbaikars hearing me should


it may not happen mumbaikars hearing me should feel very very comfortable that they are well protected because we are prepared yeah i mean i mean the outcome of that attack as mumbaikars is that the city feels different now it feels much safer honestly because we noticed he feels much safer because the government took special uh care interest and i was posted there i was asked to execute projects worth hundreds of crores i'll let you know later if you ask me as to what all i did to improve the anti-terrorism mechanism government of india also took lot of care and all over the country they improved the security scenario by investing hundreds of crores of rupees and continuously it is happening and as that is happening they are tightening for example all the police forces are all improved all over the country anti-terrorism squads are there there are qrt's quick reaction teams are there in all the cities and all vulnerable places and motorboats which are bulletproof have been given by mha i bought


are bulletproof have been given by mha i bought bulletproof vehicles that is the vans which are running i can give you the picture later max man made by mahindra 85 lakhs each 40 of them it is located in 40 places ready with 12 men who are well trained i went to israel met the commander-in-chief of police and brought training trainers from them to train our qrt and other men that time that was in 2009 so they trained these men thousand five hundred men we created five control rooms in five different places so 200 men for each control room the central control room is in south mumbai where it was and other places have been created where 100 men each during the day are there and they are the qrt specially trained men with pull up jackets bulletproof headgear and a marksman vehicle and all that uh they have done now uh exercise of going into various places which are vulnerable how to enter how to get out the main thing in taj or obrai was the energy and others didn't


taj or obrai was the energy and others didn't know the map or the topography as to how to enter where to go and where is the kitchen connecting with what and all that they were completely blank whereas now the energy we have given a place in uh mural earlier they came uh from manasser of gujarat not gujarat manager of delhi next day in haryana it took 26 hours for them to come here and then again the god came without any knowledge or equipment and all that first time this kind of thing was handled by them so there was a kind of a gap i must say so now all the gaps have been filled and our own now i would say we can prevent such an attack very easily and also tackle it very very effectively in about 30 40 50 minutes that is how so there is one energy let us say about 300 odd men are fully trained on to the teeth a carbon copy of that is trained by the state police that is called the force one we created it


police that is called the force one we created it was part of my job and they are also equal number and the fantastic weapon state of the art weapon they have and also for mumbai police we bought earlier there was a refrain that only three not three world war two vintaj weapons and lotties were there and all no it's not true we had enough ak-47 and i had trained 200 command house in 1998 for the tackling organized crime shootouts they were there and mr ramy roy when he was the commissioner of police had created 56 people including officers to be a part of a qrt they were all there they were all there only point is um certain lacunae let us say let us say a leadership lacunae prevented these people from being deployed so that's where the catastrophe took place so but if there was intelligence on this incident um you know what why do you think the boat wasn't intercepted or like why no i told you intelligence see the boat has not


no i told you intelligence see the boat has not been intercepted um for the simple reason that we have 7 600 kilometers of coastline now 12 kilometers from the shore is the responsibility of the police twelve to two hundred kilometers in the bloom uh in the high seas is the coast guard 200 kilometers beyond is the blue waters which is controlled by the indian navy or any other government navy so this is the distribution now policemen were not prepared because they are not seafarers but coast guard and others um aware um i mean coast guard is from the indian navy and then the indian navy was there they were all alerted they had all the intelligence but where they failed or not i am not going to go into that because it will be blaming some other agency who are not able to defend themselves here sneaking in need not necessarily be from the water it can be from the border although i mean lander route also like let us say bangladesh water is porous


also like let us say bangladesh water is porous pakistan border is porous rajasthan j and k and all this play ketchup run off catch and all that so it can be fro from air like there can be an air attack a drone attack or it can be a land attack like people could move in into sneak into our border with the help of somebody and then move into like ordinary innocent citizens the equipments can be sent later or earlier and stack it and then come and collect it so many technical things can be done what i'm trying to highlight is the threat is from 360 degrees today i want to tell you the drones are a major issue now and um the ex-em of punjab has won repeatedly before leaving his job that drones are being used from across the border for delivering weapons or delivering narcotics and things like that so we have to be prepared with modern science and technology and my refrain is that the terrorists are always three steps ahead of the government because they are


always three steps ahead of the government because they are watching what the government's preparedness is and they go three steps ahead and they're getting funding for from the foreign government and the narcotics trade and things like that i want your readers all the young people to read the 9 11 investigation report by the americans there they describe all that they had intelligence again about 9 11. a lot of murmur and charter was there in the in the intelligence network but then the report concludes that it is only due to lack of anticipation such a catastrophe of attack on wtc happened the that way al-qaeda had warned them that we will use your resources and your elements and your facilities and attack your targets they did so um we got to talk a little bit more about the terrorists especially yeah did you have a chance to meet yeah yeah i was the commissioner of police i told you after the this he was hanged only after four and a half years of the incident no our highly


and a half years of the incident no our highly democratic government gave him every opportunity by appointing a lawyer and give him every opportunity to defend and all the due process was followed and he was duly hunger after four four and a half years he was in the high security prison and i was the commissioner of police i had the occasions to meet him and talk to him what was he like see he's like a small robo uneducated parents the father was a tear snack vendor uneducated from farid court of pakistan and this boy was a fourth class fail and he worked in a mason's help he was carrying bricks on his head in a construction site and things like that these boys were all uh completely brainwashed and they were trained in an army camp and then they were set without bulletproof jackets they all knew very well that it is a one-way trip and they are not going to come back the very fact that they came by a boat from uh um murudikey


they came by a boat from uh um murudikey that is karachi and al-husseini was the name of the boat they came left it at purbandar captured a kubair owned by ammar singh solanki and killed four five of them and that their travel started on 22nd of november 2008 and they took four uh days uh to reach here and uh in between at poor bunda they changed the boat and killed five six of them they kept immersing solanki alive so that anybody intercepting he could speak to people in gujarati and save them they came four kilometers away from mumbai coast and killed him on pakistani controllers instruction and they boarded a rubber boat which for which they bought a yamaha motor from japan and it was imported into pakistan all that investigation attracted as to what was the route and how they were paid and how they brought this and all that boat was damaged there so that these guys cannot go back and try to escape so what i'm trying


go back and try to escape so what i'm trying to say is they were completely brainwashed to go and kill as many indians as possible how do you think these guys looked at death they are told not only them every other jihadi girl or boy a lot of european girls also join syria this isis but then they are brainwashed and they are told that you will go there to heavens and there will be so many wine women and various other things are promised to them but my question is who has gone there and seen that come back to give a report to them that the girls were so young and wild and all that and the wine and wine was sweet or salty nobody has seen but somehow this brainwashing does take place very very effectively and these youngsters do get through the internet and various other activities i don't know whether you know that four boys from tane had gone away to baghdad and other places for joining the isis so much after my retirement in my present office


isis so much after my retirement in my present office i was sitting one man one elderly gentleman who was working in a multinational company had come to meet me and then i met him he told her my son is missing from kalyan so i immediately i was commissioner police there for four years so i knew everybody i called the joint commissioner and asked him so-and-so boy he is missing he was a very bright officer he told me sir not only him three others four of them have gone together we have tracked them up to baghdad after baghdad we have lost track of them because they have gone there to join the isas out of that one boy has come back there he's in the lock up prison in the last two two and a half years one allegedly is dead and two are somewhere else there so these boys are radicalized that's the correct word brainwashing is what i used earlier but radicalization is the correct word these are all radicalized through internet through long


word these are all radicalized through internet through long distance so somebody is watching who is visiting such kind of sites and what is their inclination and how do they respond to such kind of temptations and then they identify and they segregate them and radicalize them i want to bring an example of if these boys are all the poorest in the pakistani guys last year or year before last year during christmas in sri lanka two three four boys carried a backpack and they in the church uh before uh the congregation they had gone and blasted and some 360 people or so were dead these boys belong to very rich families very highly educated families how did they get radicalized so it is not that poverty or promise to look after the parents and giving money lacks of rupees this is not the only thing which works something else also works so this sri lankan example is there and also i mentioned about lots and lots of girls who had gone to syria they were all used as sex slaves


to syria they were all used as sex slaves only they were all european girls they they knew what they what they're up to not that they were not knowledgeable they didn't go and fight a war but then they were used for other things misused for other things i would i would say but then they were knowledgeable about it they were radicalized so they were blind to what's happening coming back to the attacks um the terrorists who actually killed by our forces have you had conversations with people from the teams that actually executed the kills and you know you can't say these are all kills or execution and all that i agree with your choice of words but then this was a battle this was a war you must know they were fully prepared and our people were not given the proper directions and they showed exemplary valor i repeat our police force and our people like let us say ashok or sadhana and um various other even our kamle all of them showed exemplary valor i want to


all of them showed exemplary valor i want to elaborate on that please our ashok is his grandfather was the ig of the state of maharashtra for eight years after independence maduro kamli so he added this dna in his dna the policing and the army general's dna his father was a lieutenant girl in the army so he his area of operation is chimbu additional cp chamber when this news came as you said it broke out in the tv and all that skirmish and all that uh happened so he came running from there and uh the ats chief was having his dinner in the other in his house he left and came to 80 station you see not a decision vt station cst chatropande shivaji terminus to be very correct he was seen wearing a bulletproof jacket which is old and a little bit jaded then velaz alaska came from they all congregated at cst from there they heard they learned that sadanandate had was fighting a brave battle there in the kama


was fighting a brave battle there in the kama hospital on the fifth floor he was eating his food in malabar hill and he went to balabar hill police station he doesn't work in this in the south region as additional cp he was in the central region so all these people left their jobs and came only out of bravery commitment to the nation and their job and their duty towards the country so this is desha bhakti and nothing else say they came because they were trained and they were trained to respond and without actually as per the sop they should all be in there now the present sop or even otherwise they should have been in their own area anticipating that it could be a widespread attack but then they all came why they didn't worry about their life they didn't none of them had bulletproof jackets none of them had such kind of armor and weapons and things like that everyone had a pistol or things like that they came so sadanandate is the commissioner of police in the


sadanandate is the commissioner of police in the neighboring commission raid he fought it out with them two of his men who accompanied him were dead and he fired at them they threw hand grenades on him there are two small sharpeners even now in his eye and somewhere near the heart we tried i uh to our best to remove them but it was not medically possible so he he gave put up a brave fight so others also these people i mentioned about uh keman kargray ats chief and also ashok kamte and salaska they sat in one vehicle and they came towards kama hospital maybe to rescue and support sadhananda who was putting up a brave fight there and that is where when they arrived these two guys had finished whatever it is and then they came down through kama hospital at the gate they under a tree they were standing waiting for a vehicle to come so that they can pick it up and go so this police vehicle qualis vehicle came they fired through the


police vehicle qualis vehicle came they fired through the glass and um as many people inside were dead except one constable called arun jodha he's alive even now he would narrate the whole uh story as to what all happened others were all killed they took that vehicle and went via metro and went there to near vidhan bhavan changed into another vehicle because this one gave trouble and went via your marine tribe and that is where uh tukaram kamlay and d.b marga police officers they had put up a blockade and these people opened fire the name of the guy is iqbal and this ajibal kasab iqbal was shot by the police and then kassab was caught by tukhara momolay he took all the bullets of ak-47 in his body and he got so this is the first time perhaps a live active international terrorist was caught by the bravery of the policeman and i want to also cite one more where one constable was going i think ashok from job he was in


was going i think ashok from job he was in plain clothes and he saw one rpf men rpf means railway production force in the cst where 65 people were killed so he was lying down in the posture like lying down position and his 393 was struck a bullet got stuck into that this guy power could have gone home instead of that because he was not in uniform he was not duty bound to go and identity he went there and told him that i am a constable can i help you there he helped him in uh unlocking that thing and that seeing this this cassava and iqbal came behind him and shot him on the head and he was dead what i'm trying to show or what i'm trying to showcase is people came forward to put to to be brave to lay down their lives do the supreme sacrifice without being prompted without being given any offer do this i'll give you that kind of no they were driven by the sincerity dedication to their job that is


by the sincerity dedication to their job that is how we lost a total of 18 people two from nsg that is a major uni krishna and one how old are gajendra singh and three from home guards and the rest of them are police officers we lost uh himankar craig he was working with me i knew him very well and also ashok kamte and various others you know so i i mean i don't know how else to articulate this but you kind of had front row seats to this whole incident as it was playing out from a strategy perspective and you were in your 50s most young people think that many of my major life lessons will happen early in my life and here you're in your 50s we are witnessing almost going to be 60 because i retired in 2011 this happened in 2008 i became commissioner in 2009. so in about one and a half two years time i retired so i was at the uh late uh 50s early i mean not 60s


uh late uh 50s early i mean not 60s uh late 50s that way 58 58 58 and a half and things like that but then we had seen earlier blas i mentioned about 93 blasts we have seen we have seen 2006 blasts and various other blasts we have seen i wanted to also tell a lone wolf we tackled in mumbai called the doctor mohammad jalis ansari he lived in that bhindi bazaar area he's a doctor alone he got into some thing and 57 blasts he uh was personally responsible single handedly so that kind of people are also there we have seen all these things uh happening so he started with the suthuli bomb as they say you know with that rusty they make and in the police headquarters he had gone there and put it there in the parade ground some child while playing the ball went running he went there and picked it up and got blasted and also he tried it in various police stations and various police officers and all so that


stations and various police officers and all so that kind of people also we have seen but this is a concerted attack by the neighboring uh country and this is on a like a preparation for a war what was your personal learning from this whole experience personal writing is 1000 learnings that your anticipation intelligence coordination picking up all the straws from the wind and getting people ready anticipation as i told you helicopter view of attack can come from land so when i got an opportunity as commissioner police i prepared it from all possible say for example they said uh we don't have enough bullets to do fire practice so i bought seven simulators for one and a half crores each and put it in seven different places in the city where computerized shooting can be done by people so you go and fire enough thousands of bullets you like and sharpen your skills so this is anticipation this is practice and also later we we started training centers in azad maidan then we did 43 000 policemen i


maidan then we did 43 000 policemen i did medical examination free of course by the various doctors and institution we created a complete data about how much healthy they are and we gave them printed books as to how i started 30 gymnasiums three gymnasiums worth three one crore each one in wurley one in niagara police headquarter and one in kalina they were all donated by the people the money didn't come from the and other 27 police stations i created a gymnasium 25 lakhs each so i prepared them physically by doing a medical examination and told them this is where you stand you have to lose your weight and you have to tighten your muscles and all we bought the weapons we bought the boats we uh augmented the supply from the government of india so that way um training centers or a place called prerna near police station was created where training programs can be conducted for a mental tightening of these people preparedness for people and physical training was happening simulators


for people and physical training was happening simulators where they could go on fire so all these things put together did work well a good point is from 2008 to now we don't have any such incident two small blasts did take place later uh in the very bazaar and one more place but then there were minor incidents small incidents this kind of a concerted attack did not take place but it did take place in patan court and uri and places like that so what is the future of terrorism in the world future terrorism if you ask it will be all cyber terrorism uh blowing up of oil lines and the blowing up of people and if you consider the war which is happening in syria or all this isis and all that do you call it terrorism or civil war or what is it all about so all the spillover weapons which russians left were used by others earlier 20 years before now the americans have left so african i mean not africa afghan a government that doesn't exist is the


africa afghan a government that doesn't exist is the alibani government so where will all the weapons go and who will have access to them and what kind of a terrorism you say you have seen al qaeda then then you have seen isis you have seen various other forms of terrorism so metamorphosis would be a continuous process but the world specific to india specific to india is cyber cyber threat is what i would be very off and since the government is prepared and government spend hundreds and thousands of crores to develop navy coast guard the police and the various other energy uh mr chidambaram was the home minister at that time on a given date he wanted four hubs to be ready that is 2009 or 2010 january he visited by morning to evening four hubs that is the mumbai gowhati hyderabad and one in delhi perhaps so all these four places he visited inaugurated in one day so these people have their land they have their training facility and they've got the state of


have their training facility and they've got the state of the art weapon but mind you i'm repeating again force one is equally capable and we have it because this energy is meant for a zone that is four states but whereas this maharashtra state would have a dedicated equivalent of nsg called force one capable officers are posted they are well trained and they are well located they are well honed i think we can end this particular episode just again so much information and talking to you i feel very protected as an indian citizen i'm sure the listeners feel the same so i gave away all information which is available in the net and earlier revealed so i have not revealed any official secrets at all all this information at that time when we created only it was there i constructed a martian memorial for eight uh 18 of them on the marine drive now it is shifted to coming commissioner police office so whatever i have told is with the basic intention of telling people that you are protected you


intention of telling people that you are protected you feel safe don't feel demoralized that's the whole point even the police force which heard me earlier i i also organized four um four uh conferences anti-terrorism conference where dr abdul kalam mr kps gill and the nsa mr mk and ryan and various others 20 of them had come each place had five speakers like the level of dr abdul kalam 1200 civilians and policemen had come and listened to that that was all to the demoralized civilians and police to to boost their morale i had organized it two in ncpa one in the other and one in uh chimbu uh fine arts society so four uh into twelve hundred four thousand eight hundred civilians had attended these sessions widely covered in the press so these are all the steps we had taken so that people will feel uh encouraged they will be encouraged to know that the mumbai police is dedicated and they will do their best yeah i mean of course i'm


will do their best yeah i mean of course i'm going to end it by saluting you and the mumbai police but i'd also love to quote uh a lot of historians one of my idols joe rogan they keep using this one quote which is hard men build easy times easy times build softmen soft men build hard times and hard times build hard men so i would like to highlight you as one of those hard men sir yeah but the hard people will get going only when the times become tougher and tougher the hard men will be hard men but when it becomes risk taking their appetite is very high they build and they come up with the sterling performance only when there are challenges so you have to have challenges to bring the best in you so tough men would come out in the best possible way only if they are challenged yeah hundred percent thank you very much and the big big hope is that the podcast kind of sends some toughness across the screen it would it would


some toughness across the screen it would it would it would you know we must pray to god that this kind of incident will not happen again but if it ever happens our police force and the government of india forces and others will be fully reinfully uh geared to to face such kind of a thing i did make a statement when i became commissioner police that if any such attack takes place when i am the commissioner police in 30 minutes their coffins will be sent back to pakistan that's what i said it was not tested but then having said it in a bravado kind of a way i had to immediately get into the job and prepare people and prepare those bulletproof vehicles bulletproof jackets incidentally i wanted to tell you the next attack would have happened immediately because our guys didn't have blood proof jackets so i told mcha that is maharashtra chamber of housing industry the builders in short form i told them this is the specification ak-47 bullets can be taken give


the specification ak-47 bullets can be taken give us donations so they spent about five crores of rupees and bought about 500 the bulletproof jackets of that specification donated somebody criticized saying that how can you take it from builders i said no i'll take it from anybody but my man if there is next attack will not go rushing into the scene like last time they will require protection so i am getting it government took its own seat sweet time to buy the bulletproof jackets later but this 500 commandos would have 500 bullets bulletproof jackets because i took a risk okay my name can get spoiled but what is wrong my i'm saving my mind next eight 16 or 18 men would not die because we are because we are not prepared thank you i hope that you as listeners of the show enjoyed this particular episode lots more crime related episodes coming up lots more intense episodes just like this coming up i'd love to know from you guys which other guests you'd like to see on


guys which other guests you'd like to see on the runway show having disheven server on this show is always a very intense experience and i hope that he felt the intensity through this podcast i've learned more from him in two episodes than i could ever have imagined and i hope that's the case for you as well i'd urge you to check out the first episode we did with shivanandan so but for now remember follow us on spotify every episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world this was dishwasher who returned on the nv show once again enjoy it share the episode thank you [Music] you


all right we're doing english solo podcast after the longest time i was actually waiting for this moment where we could be in my bedroom and record solo podcast out of here this one's going to be very quick thinking of getting deeper into solo podcast so in the comments section and on social media please tell me what are the english solo podcasts you guys would like to see the hindi solo podcast have their own flavor but the english solo podcast honestly where i can go on a free flow because english is my thinking language this one's about television shows the last time we did tv and movie recommendations on this podcast i was in a very motivated zone in life i was in a very fiery zone i wanted to kill it wanted to create new businesses in the time that's gone by we've created big brain core we've created level i've got a lot of shanti puppies i'm 8 chill in the head now i feel good i've also been humbled a lot in the last


i've also been humbled a lot in the last couple of years i've had some rough personal moments i've had some rough professional moments and at this stage of my life at age 29 what i look for is just really good storytelling really good entertainment and really gripping narratives that actually just shift something slightly in my head ideally things that add to my emotional quotient in life all the previous recommendations we gave were very motivational we spoke about michael jordan's the last dance we spoke about silicon valley and how my shows helped my career this time it's just good shows that i have for you guys all right five shows that have helped me immensely in the last two years starting with my absolute favorite show it might even be my all-time favorite show really above the last dance above entourage above silicon valley i'm not hyping it up it's called dave so back in college a friend of mine told me about a rapper called lil dicky who he said was the new


called lil dicky who he said was the new eminem he's a white rapper and with respect to lil dicky he wasn't signed by a record label so he actually grew his career out of youtube by growing his youtube channel and releasing his music independently when i was growing up there was an artist called weird al yankovic who just made parodies on mainstream songs you know in india we had devang patel devang patel was inspired by someone called beard al yankovic so your first impression of lil dicky is that he is the modern day weird ali ankovich but when you begin to see this show your assumptions initially are validated you think that yeah it's a funny show it's weird the first scene of the show is about how lil dicky visits a doctor and talks about a problem that he has with his own penis the show starts like that with weird awkward humor and you start enjoying it and then as you go through the first season you realize


then as you go through the first season you realize okay this is a slightly deeper show than just comedy every episode addresses one male insecurity in season one it's all about male insecurity the different insecurities that men have penis size salary comparison to their own friends heartbreak rejection childhood trauma every episode actually addresses these really deep and kind of dark themes but carries you through with a little hint of humor and that's what i love about this show season two is not funny season two has funny moments but it's mostly an intense show in season two again you're not expecting this but it's just one of those fantastic show experiences that people have when they watch dave this is not sponsored it's available on disney plus hot star in india highly recommend you watch it i've recommended it to both ayan mukherjee and shakunbatra and they both loved it they loved the writing they loved the filmmaking but speaking about writing and filmmaking we've got to talk about the next


and filmmaking we've got to talk about the next show the next show is a show called succession many of you might have seen it and here's what i love about disney plus hot stuff honestly this is not branded and i don't watch a lot of ott but succession in terms of filmmaking in terms of writing in terms of camera work is absolutely up there lots of you might have heard of the show seen the show what you guys don't know is that it's kind of like what the world of business becomes when you're not at the beginning of your business career when you're at the middle point and when you're in the advanced stages of business the kind of people dynamics that come in the kind of emotional equations that come in the kind of traumas the kind of challenges that come in succession deals with all that succession is supposedly based on someone called rupert murdoch who is one of the world's biggest media mogul i think he's the biggest media mogul and


i think he's the biggest media mogul and it's about how he's coming to the end of his life and the end of his career and he's figuring out who will succeed him as the ceo of his company which of his four hyper competitive kids will win that battle that's what the entire show is about it's a very high-end show it's short in manhattan primarily and watching the show puts you in that world of rich manhattan manhattan is the richest part of new york city imagine the top 1 of manhattan that's what this show is about so you kind of feel rich watching it and this is the result of something called atmospheric filmmaking which means that the sound effects they use the music they choose to use really puts you inside that world also the key to be noted about succession is that it's got something called re-watch value which means that if you watch it the second time if you watch it the third time you'll actually pick up even more details about the show and they


pick up even more details about the show and they say that great filmmaking great show creation is all about stories but it's also heavily about characters and i personally believe that succession doesn't have an out of the world story it's got a good story arc different cool things happen but the way they've written the character so elaborate so gray so intricate i've never seen a show like this when i was a kid there was a show called lost that i really enjoyed where i felt like characters have never been written this way ever and they probably never will be written this way again and then i saw succession the way they've explained each character's mindset each character's different personality why they behave the way they behave it's just it's an incredible psychological experiment for yourself when you're watching that show go watch succession okay third show this one is in that previous zone from the video we did a couple of years ago the next show is a show on amazon prime video it's called all on


a show on amazon prime video it's called all on nothing very simple premise it's a reality show where a good quality filmmaking crew documents the journey of a top sports team every season they do a different sports team season one was manchester city season two was a club called tottenham hotspur season three is going to be the club arsenal all of these are epl clubs all or nothing also does series is for different sports so they have a series for nfl they have a series for rugby but when you actually watch all or nothing what you gain are life lessons as my business career goes forward i've realized how much of business is people management understanding how to deal with people's emotions understanding the subtle lessons within the subject called leadership and trust me when i'm stuck in a leadership situation that demands the best possible decision making from my head very often like 99 of the time i've found my answers from watching all or nothing i've just watched two series of all or nothing the manchester


watched two series of all or nothing the manchester city one the tottenham hotspur one manchester city one is about one of the most legendary football coaches in the world pep guardiola and how he fires up his squad with leadership every superstar player treats him like the most legendary manager treats him like a boss because he doesn't demand respect he commands respect just because of who he is the way he approaches life the way he approaches his games the way he approaches leadership and there's just so much to learn from pep guardiola i'm not even a manchester city fan it's my rival club i'm a manchester united fan but i was so blown away i watched this season twice second one is about tottenham hotspur and it's on the other end of the spectrum when is going down in your organization when things are going badly what do you do how do you react to situations this one features jose mourinho another top coach lots to learn from this season as well if


coach lots to learn from this season as well if we move on to the next show and make things a little lighter okay i was kidding i'm not gonna talk about how to make it lighter i'm actually gonna make it heavier again this one's not a documentary or a film this is sort of very well done non-fiction you'd assume that non-fiction shows are like the discovery channel or naggio this is on netflix it's called how to become a tyrant where every episode is a case study on a different tyrant from history so they have an episode on adolf hitler they have an episode on idi amin they have an episode on saddam hussein and they talk about the tips and tricks that these guys use in order to rise to power in order to maintain the power and in order to establish themselves in the country that they established their own power within i don't want to talk too much about it it is a heavy dark show but the way it's made it's also got a very


the way it's made it's also got a very fun funny element the way the narration is done the way the editing is done it's what good quality modern documentary filmmaking should be like it's very mainstream very watchable you'll very likely finish the entire season when you begin watching it you'll binge watch this even though it's heavy even though there's not much of a story involved there are these micro stories you know an incident from saddam hussein's life an incident from media means life which really reveal their characters if you wish to gain something from this particular show what you will gain is a playbook as the show calls it in leadership how you can use a playbook to really rise to power and then it's up to you do you want to become a dictator or do you want to become a good leader like pep guardiola i don't know but enough of these leadership lessons the fifth and final show was recommended to me by ayan mukherjee and trust me it's one of


ayan mukherjee and trust me it's one of the best show recommendations i've got in recent times it's a show called euphoria i heard a lot of gen z kids talk about euphoria and i assume that i'll be some high school show it seemed like there's drugs in it it's got zendaya in it so i was like okay it's just not gonna be my zone i wanna watch sports documentaries and i wanna watch documentaries about dictators why should i watch euphoria and anne mukherjee told me just watch one episode the way it's edited the way the cinematography is done the way the writing is done it'll just grip you i've not even finished season one but they say season two is even more elaborate even more gripping even more memorable memorable is the word i would associate with euphoria when i was growing up there was a show called one tree hill which was the mainstream teenage drama i used to watch it like most of the teenagers i knew there's


it like most of the teenagers i knew there's also a show called the oc and these shows had an element of darkness which was usually centered around family problems or relationship problems or confidence-based problems the problems in euphoria are about the usage of drugs drug abuse lots of sex lots of almost borderline violence it's a very very dark teenage drama i feel bad that teenagers of today are watching this show but i feel very tasty that we get such a technically done show to enjoy in 2022 oh my god so technical so beautiful so gripping you will watch it with your jaw drop it's an incredible shoe that's what i recommend i hope you enjoyed this particular episode remember if you like this solo podcast i wonder what other solo podcast you'd like us to create but from this one these are my tv show recommendations and until next time guys keep following the ranveer show um [Music] you


[Music] lord shiva's hand is on my head man he's there with me i used to think about him then i used to think about him in jail i'm basically a very shy kind of a person aloof kind of a guy especially with women there's no better high in life than your mother and father or your family your brother's sister you know there's no better higher than work with my folded hands i request them all is that release that cure for cancer so that a lot of lives can be saved so you know everybody hopes every minute for something stop me up and everything will come to you because the day i stopped coping next thing i knew i was out of jail this was a conversation i've looked forward to for my entire life didn't get too much time with sanjay that sir he was busy on the day that we shot but he promised me that he's gonna come back on the show and give us an even longer extended conversation in saying that i do


even longer extended conversation in saying that i do recommend you watch this one till the end it's powerful it's got lots of lessons and it's got an insight into sanjay that's mine uh unlike anything that you've heard of or seen off before remember to follow trs on spotify for a spotify exclusive which means that every episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world this is sanjay dutt for the first time on the tv show [Music] sanjay so welcome to the ranvi show thank you how are you feeling feeling great this has been like something on my bucket list not just in this at the podcast probably before that i just always want to have a conversation with you i used to pray to god that just i want to get to know this person i don't know why there was just something very intriguing about you but uh when you look back at your own life do you like look at it as intriguing like what how do you how do you would you


like what how do you how do you would you describe your own life till this point my life is i mean i think it's been a roller coaster ride and i wouldn't want that for any young guys to go through that kind of a life you know as i think it's i don't want them to feel that you know wow what a life it's not wow you know it's it's it's difficult life to be like that but uh as you said the man from kerala's parvath is always looking over me and he always comes and rescues me from any circumstances the older you get do you think of shiva and god more i've always been she was booked right from the beginning i think he's my father he's my mother he's shiva he's i love him what is it for you sir what is shiva shiva is my anchor she was my pillow she was me shiva is the universe and i'm part of him how did this begin is this from your dad not from my


this begin is this from your dad not from my dad it's been my own journey with him since you're a kid since i was a kid yeah i always connected with lord shiva you know do you talk to your kids about it yeah yeah they know they know but they know about it what what's your zone with your kids like there's a lot of happiness when you talk about them yeah man i you know i really love spending time with them and i mean i couldn't do it with richard which is a sad part but we had our own reasons and everything but i didn't want to miss that with these guys you know i just want to be there and see them grow and i'm so happy seeing them grow up you know it's beautiful so you know with podcasting first of all i'm glad i think this is your first podcast yeah so uh what have you made of podcasting till this point yeah you know old school interview podcast so even right now i can't understand what it is what


right now i can't understand what it is what do you think it is i'll repeat this question towards the end then you tell me okay uh okay so with podcasting uh it's a deep dive for the podcaster into someone else's mind uh i think how god has given you this ability to have swag you know how when you when you walk i was just observing you walking in and it's an iconic walk an iconic person i feel that's god-gifted ability any ability you're given in your life be it acting be your physique be it swag it's always given to you by something i feel what was given to me was the ability to connect with other human beings and great i'm making money off it now no but uh my point is um with podcasting there are certain questions you ask which allow you to get to know the other person very deeply and this answers my you know decade-long quest to have a conversation with you i'll get to know you i'd like to ask you one intense


know you i'd like to ask you one intense question which is that say someone if yamaraj came today and told you okay now it's your time to go and but you can only pass on one moral to your kids what would that model be always be humble in life humility humility why do you say that i think that is one quality which is difficult plus it is beautiful plus i think it's just beautiful to be humbly even is one of the most beautiful things is humility and to know if you have done wrong in your life admit a wealthy over here you know which are difficult things to do but uh i think i said i think i do it so i want to pass that on to them yeah can i be very honest with you about one thing yeah and if you're not comfortable with it we won't talk okay but you know there are a lot of people who will make assumptions about anyone from the media industry the moment you're out there as a public figure there's


moment you're out there as a public figure there's assumptions made about you and i can't even imagine what you've been through over the years i'm sure you also made mistakes everyone makes mistakes and they're human what i don't like about the times we live in is people kind of just focus on the past mistakes without focusing on anything else that's happened in life but every human being needs to be given the ability to realize you know this this thing i could have done different in my past vegera so do you look back at your life as grey like early on in this conversation you said that i wish you know people don't have to go through what i went through could you talk a little bit about like the dark aspects of life as like whatever you seem well i mean see i mean it was whether it was my drugs or the jail term or the cancer thing or anything it's always been some kind of uh rollercoaster roller coaster some kind of darkness but it's not that


coaster some kind of darkness but it's not that i've regretted it how do you face it how do you get out of it that is the battle you know i've never been a bichara about myself you know but it's always been that that ride which is uh you know i all i can say is that you've got to learn from [Music] whatever you go through in life was humility your lesson that's why you say humility humility is more very important forgiveness is very important forgiveness yes but it's difficult it's difficult there somebody has gone after you and you say i forgive you you you are a greater person than anybody i think that's where lord shiva comes in i feel you and it's something i'm trying to learn early on in life also i feel to some degree if you're not harming other people's professional careers professional grudges are okay if you use them as motivation but if it ever turns into a personal grudge whereas a person you wish bad for someone that wish


whereas a person you wish bad for someone that wish bad is gonna turn and harm you on the inside anyway and i don't know just life kind of is trying to teach me that lately so i connect a lot with what you said about forgiveness but let's let's talk about the phases you know you i think you you when i asked you about darkness you mentioned drugs you mentioned jail and you mentioned the cancer that you went to recently i would love to hear each of those phases because that's the joy of podcasting honesty are the drugs what do you want to know about okay let's talk about pre-drugs what made you get into it i think it was uh just the to be in the scene to be cool yeah to be cool to be in the scene to be accepted and all that basically a very shy kind of a person really yeah okay very i'm quite quite a shy aloof kind of a guy especially with women yeah so i knew anyway so i mean


women yeah so i knew anyway so i mean uh it was it was a cool thing to be in it and then you do it you know then you become a cooler guy with the ladies and you talk to them and you know all that stuff but you also have very big high energy one or two or three out of every 10 people is an addict you know whether it's addiction to food or gambling or whatever it is you know so i was one of those ten one of those few people i just want to tell you even i've gone through alcoholism where i went for some sort of uh help for that and i've had a very intense marijuana phase i'm very in a dharmic zone in life i've spoken about it on the channel so i do connect with what you're seeing yeah maybe i didn't do all the things you did and i would like to hear about them just so to understand what you learned from it well see i went into some real hardcore kind of drug


see i went into some real hardcore kind of drug abuse i mean it wasn't just marijuana or alcohol it was heroin and it was cocaine it was upwards it was downers it was quaaludes it was everything you know like when i was taken to rehab in miami they gave me a list of uh what kind of drugs are done and i take every one of them so i mean it was a very crazy ride and i think it's just our upbringing and all about my father mother used to feed me that i survived that otherwise the doctor said it's impossible any guy can do this kind of stuff and survive you know and uh but i had to get out of it and i got out of it you know but um smoking a joint and all that stuff i mean today it's all legal all over you know cannabis and it's uh in america you know people are smoking cannibis and everything like that but i can't do it because i've got that addiction


i can't do it because i've got that addiction problem addictive personality yes yes yeah yeah yeah so yeah you can't do it you know it happens with video games a lot nowadays to people uh like if you have a difference you know you can go down okay yeah because it is the same thing like it's releasing dopamine right those systems are a little different from people like you and me right a little naughty question but uh what was your favorite when you were doing all these yeah everything was favorite i mean uh cocaine was favorite arrow and all the favorite then uh what do cocaine and heroin feel like you know it gets you to talking to ladies and you you're one of the guys in the crowd and everything heroin is a downer so you get winkies we used to call them winkies so to stop getting winkies you got to do cocaine to stay awake then when you're too awake you got to do arrow and to go down so it's up and down and


and to go down so it's up and down and it's up and down you know so it's crazy stuff what did it do to your body and mind it's just uh mind thank god is intact what body it uh thank god it's intact too here i mean uh you feel the effects today i didn't but after i came back from rehab i used to the effects lasted for about four years so i used to call up my in my rehab i used to ask them so they were called flashbacks okay so what happens is that whatever the body can absorb it absorbs and releases the eye but what it can't the fat content keeps in the body so it stores in the fat of your body so what used to happen i came back from here and i was doing naam and if i'm just talking to you and suddenly i have to feel as if okay why am i buzzing man you know i used to wonder i should be in the i used to be tripping man and so


in the i used to be tripping man and so i didn't understand it two three times so i called up my rehab and they said that these are these uh the the deposits in the fat which are released which are getting this high it'll go away in some time wow okay you know while i would have so many more questions i feel when we touch upon drug abuse as a subject it's too important to talk about rehab and getting out of it as well according to me especially on the internet you never just put out conversations about drugs let's talk about the bounce back let's talk about by the way when i saw sanju uh that's what i took with the song and that sequence the way it was shot uh for me you know i don't care what people are saying i gained some value out of sanju for sure uh i'd like to actually know about karhar and that phase of your life from you when you're fighting it when you're actually feeling like doing more of it and i


actually feeling like doing more of it and i tell you why i want to know it because i actually wrote it on my office board to get myself out of my last few addictions a matter because i was on this dharmic zone i couldn't stop cannabis at that point and it was affect my relationships mom didn't approve of it obviously and i i wrote karhar took his photo and made my wallpaper uh and i drew like a sort of stick figure sanjay that's a very stupid thing i did this at 24 25 but still like uh my question is what was the bounce back like from your perspective how do you get out of it well i had to make up my mind number one number two is that uh what happens when you are into intense drug uh addiction you get into a kind of a cocoon or shell you become a loner you become alone you don't want people around you you know you so i had become like that and it i was very hard not to