back who is going to decide what to teach the first people are the people who are the part of the board of studies who will decide so you can have a local decision also but it has to be aligned with the national decision so the the the policy that we have is a framework it's like you know the government says uh i will give you free roti and kaplan and i will give you dal chawal but how do i prepare the dark chawal is my choice i can prepare a dal in gujarat with a little bit of a sugar and good more i can prepare the same dal with a sambar in tamil nadu or kerala with more merchy and a rasam powder please understand this i am giving you dal but what you make out of dal is your choice so what is going to happen is that it will be very decentralized along with central guidance so that's where you have to understand policy and implementation there is a gap and that gap has to be filled by the


gap and that gap has to be filled by the teachers and the people who are deciding the syllabus beautiful so i actually think that this will create a lot more jobs also because it will make teaching a more glamorized profession again uh which is also something i want to bring in here uh a part of the changes was that a larger chunk of the gdp will now be dedicated to uh the education system so six percent as they say you know okay and it currently it's at around 1.5 i need to look at the figures but it's definitely bigger i think three or six percent but that's a major chunk major chunk yeah i i believe it's something like 1.5 right now and uh it's going to six percent which is a huge jump but where will does that money go it'll go into teacher salaries plus infrastructure plus like skill development infrastructure things like that so there is a national budget which happens every year it's called the union budget which is present in the parliament and it's


budget which is present in the parliament and it's generally a pie and you know part of it goes into health defense education the people say you know education is a very small thing but let me tell you two things about that education is not just about teaching it's also research see this is what we need to get in a mindset a part of that gdp will also go into research what is the meaning of research let me tell you you know what happens our education system is actually an examination system so we study we mug it up and you know before the exam i am wise and uh after the exam i'm wise but during the exam otherwise i forget so what is very important is that this gdp definitely will go into multiple things number one paying the teachers the infrastructure the syllabus because there'll be a lot of new content coming in the textbook the videos do you have a future there you know if you can create education videos runway there's a huge budget going to come from government also yeah


a huge budget going to come from government also yeah that's the plan ah exactly and we're going to do it together [Music] it'll happen no the other part of it is very important that a lot of things will go into futuristic education currently all the research is going to major institution like drdo isro okay now imagine you students start developing a small you know a pen which is very important for the future instead of you know looking at something so i think one of the things is that it's like defense you know we have a defense budget but defense budget is not only to get rafael we are fortunate that we got it but defense is also that budget goes into rnd so the future when it is saying six percent that is what the government will give you but what you do with that money is a personal choice of that institution that state and the teacher also so i think one of the very important focus that india has to move from mugging up the knowledge anyway we have knowledge free on


up the knowledge anyway we have knowledge free on google google has become a devota to actually doing research and a lot of money will go into futuristic research where all of you can create your own professions and ip intellectual property remember this that's that's beautiful sir but something that actually really stuck out to me was the next point also which needs to be mentioned major and minor degrees very american european concept where people will be studying engineering and on the side they'll be starting filmmaking which is a god-like scenario for me i wish i had that in college uh and also i i feel like when you give a student interesting stuff to study say he's chosen a major which he doesn't enjoy and then he also sees that oh by the way my minor i'm enjoying it a lot it occupies your head and keeps students away from alcohol from drugs from the wrong company when you're stimulating your head that much so so again could you elaborate on how we're going to go about this major minor


on how we're going to go about this major minor policy yeah so first of all this education policy talks about education at two level one is at the primary and the secondary level but that's a higher education that's when you go from 12th standard to a degree college and now it will be 11 standard to a degree college one very very very important step and this is everybody to note it suppose you decide to do a bcom a basic course or a ba okay you need to study for three to four years for an engineer it's four years right for a doctor it's four years suppose you complete for a b com two years and you don't do that third year you're still an undergraduate now you know what this thing says suppose you decide to do engineering okay you do only one year give the exam and pass you will get a certificate okay and you can decide not to continue it but that one year you have a value for it suppose you do it for two years okay you give an exam


do it for two years okay you give an exam now you get a diploma for it suppose you do it for three years you get an advanced diploma suppose you do it for the whole thing then you get a degree so you don't have to wait for the degree for the fourth year or the third year to get it okay you can get it every step isn't it good or bad because you can decide to live it i know of a student who actually completed bcom but unfortunately did not give two papers he failed for it he never was called a graduate he's 45 years old of course i forced him to complete that two and become a graduate imagine every year getting something and you decide to go now the good news is that you can choice it's called you know choice-based credit system so as you said you know what one credit on music and two credits on mathematics and three credits on china can leadership why not so i think this is the flexibility that we have and the best part


is the flexibility that we have and the best part is that this credits can be utilized in other universities also that's where the national education policy comes in so if you get you know two credits and you completed one year you can go to another college and continue from there also so it's a very flexible system so but like how will an engineering college say my engineering culture is one building what will the student's life be you go to that engineering college then for your filmmaking class you go to another college will it be something like that so it depends on the physical infrastructure also so if your college is good enough then you can go from one class to another but you know i have seen other institutions also even today let's say they don't have a playground in a city like bombay what they do is that they use the uh playground of their adjacent school they have an understanding you know so suppose one of the challenges that will happen let's say i want to study sanskrit and just


let's say i want to study sanskrit and just give an example but you know let's say there are only two students opting for sanskrit what do you do the teacher can teach for students but she's used to teaching 40 students isn't it so then what you say is that what you do then maybe she can club up and make one sanskrit so that is going to be one challenge even though it's a flexible thing it depends on the infrastructure available and also the teachers available so you may say i want to learn you know russian music but you know you are the only student but if there are 20 people and one russian music teacher okay so i think this is a very practical case-to-case basis if it's a very big institution they have the infrastructure on the teachers now that's why you may have also more visiting faculties because everybody cannot be on the payroll if somebody wants to learn grammar and if you don't have a sanskrit department there you can call an external person


sanskrit department there you can call an external person somebody wants to know how to make a career out of youtube they will call runway you become the visiting faculty in an institution so there's a lot of things that will get experimented because if you don't have enough students you can't teach it and if enough students are that you can create it also the entrepreneur inside me is screaming out a tech and it's screaming out video calls and is screaming out video conferences i think that's going to be the big answer here as well like there's going to be a huge aspect of uh fast internet connections and maybe by that point 5g and 6g that comes into play here yes absolutely in fact this is also called as industry academy partnerships so the people who are already in the industry or in the profession like you they can collaborate with the academy and you can actually recruit from the fresh graduate engineers or youtubers of the future you know you have to also get your next


future you know you have to also get your next level ready so where do you go you teach in the college or the school which is offering youtube courses and the same people who is the best student you can hire him directly what a win-win situation gorgeous gorgeous so i i just love the idea of a minor aspect in your degree also because i feel that a lot of kids kind of go into depression have major mental health issues if they land up in the wrong field like again i didn't enjoy engineering as a subject you know i enjoyed physics but not engineering because it was two different things and i went into an extremely dark place and that's probably why i ended up you know getting into alcohol and all and lots of students find themselves in that same zone so it's going to help the mental health a lot of young teenagers they're going to have that something to look forward to uh so next we got to talk about this teacher training board so the government is actually training its future


training board so the government is actually training its future crop of professionals which is fantastic uh absolutely in fact teachers also require training you cannot be teaching the same thing again and again you know there are two things one is a subject upgrade suppose you are teaching uh you know artificial intelligence okay so i taught it for two years but the field has evolved so how do i get myself updated because i'm going to a school or a college so they will be trained in the latest the second thing is teaching methodology also changes for example initially i was teaching on a blackboard now i'm teaching with the powerpoint presentation tomorrow it could be virtual reality and today it is all online so teachers also need to upgrade themselves and you know the good news is that already teachers are going through a lot of trainings it is not that teacher training doesn't happen in our mumbai university itself you know so i had the china international institute of leadership studies we have continuous teacher training programs also but


studies we have continuous teacher training programs also but now there will be more budgets a lot of people will be coming and that will be a focus area because if teachers are not updated what will they update their students you know there's always a gap and even if you get yourself updated there'll still be a gap but continuous training for teachers is a very important step at the national level also i feel there's a lot of human beings out there who actually have a passion for teaching but purely don't take it up because they think it's financially not viable or you know it's not as glamorous as they would like and i think that again the part of this whole overhaul is going to be creating a crop of a hundred china cures hopefully and then a thousand chandra of the mauryas so that's the vision teaching is the most respected profession and you know till now it was not getting paid a lot but now with the i don't know if you're aware of the six pay commission lot


know if you're aware of the six pay commission lot of teachers are getting huge monies some of them are getting more than the corporates but you know this is a great profession welcome become a chanakya yourself create the next generation it is money along with respect a lot of people who make money don't get respect while we're speaking about new age thought processes pre-school learning program so this is like before kg i'm guessing yeah or during kg so even parents will be given some kind of a syllabus to train the kids at home like what is the thought process you and i also i want you to highlight very quickly the concept of anvik shiki which is one of the first things you taught me in your mentoring for me i think it's a beautiful concept that should be re-highlighted absolutely so i'll tell you uh in our culture you have to understand there are three ways of education the first education is our parents and family itself the second is a formal school college whatever and third is a


is a formal school college whatever and third is a french circle please understand we actually learn with our friends you know so when you have a problem you don't go to the teacher you go to your friends so i think let us go to the basic education starts at home and we have a prayer you know it is first guru is mother and father you know that's all gurus so guru comes later on in the school and i think it's a very good to integrate your parents along with the children as small that you are okay so uh yeah i'll tell you something about the american system which i allow so that every country has got pluses and minuses in america they give a homework to this little children you know what we call preschool and all those things where they have to read one book to the child loud reading what we call before going to bed okay and please note this interestingly it should not be from the school textbook so the parents have to choose one book they will read and it has


to choose one book they will read and it has to be reported back it is logged in wow so it is not that you know it can be harry potter it can be anything something value-based so what is very important is that we have to get our parents involved otherwise you know what parents do they blame the education system for telling that you know okay you are not creating the good education system and the education system blames the parents your child is like that so i think that's a very good integration coming back to the next question it is the first thing that every child should learn according to chanakya what is anvik the ability to think strategic thinking the ability to investigate logical thinking somebody said it very nicely i was born intelligent education ruined me so now we are going back to make children intelligent because they are already born intelligent you know they have the how to sharpen your intellect that is the good news is that anvik shiki also will be part of the school education system very soon


will be part of the school education system very soon with this new education policy got it as early as kg i'm guessing it's going to be preschool and school and forever why not uh what about sports that's the next point uh is there any thought about like physical education health sports because as i'm growing up and as i'm looking around me and seeing the health issues of people in the mid-20s i am valuing all the sports education i had in school all the rounds of the football ground i did so i do feel that's a huge part of education as well yes absolutely in fact all this extra colloquial activities co-curricular activities everything will get merged with the new education policy and you know it's already happening and i remember now the ssc results have come recently isn't it so uh there was a girl who actually scored hundred out of 100. how did you get it because she actually got 15 marks extra because she was a bharatnatyam dancer okay so i think we need to


dancer okay so i think we need to go beyond just writing exams to actually saying that if you have a talent explore it so yes sports is very very basic sports keeps you physically and mentally fit so sports is not just about you know education system of writing exams i think we already have it that we have pt classes so what is pt classes pt classes physical training you know but it was some exercises but if you want to take sports as a career there's a sports management course also now coming up so it's very very important that we take the education system integrated with physical and sports and let me tell you my dear friends if you want to take sports as a career also it's a big thing already there are you know games like kabuli coco of course cricket is a big thing so sports needs not just physical fitness it can be a big time career also go out for sports if you are interested in that i i do think that the world is moving more towards physical fitness the


that the world is moving more towards physical fitness the world of sports itself is becoming so physical fitness oriented like when you see a virat kohli versus that older generation of sevag and akash chopra and you know the others like you see someone like where are we giving that much importance to fitness which actually means that there will be a lot more jobs within the world of sport like virat kohli will have three four guys just for his own physical fitness one to teach him power one to teach him speed uh that's the big hope honestly and therefore we will be able to see definitely a famous world famous indian footballer other than sunil okay and we'll be able to see indians in other sports so that's my big hope i just hope that these policies bring about that change as well and i do believe that they'll bring out the change because of the next key point which is a reduced size of the syllabus and more importance to practical application based knowledge so could


more importance to practical application based knowledge so could you elaborate absolutely health is the minimum in this particular uh good life that you want to live you know so health and fitness is any way part of it if you see the government it's already been promoting international yoga day okay so that's of course swast also so what's very important that we get into understanding that our health and fitness is a minimum and of course you can make a career out of it also so if you look at virat kohli or for that matter given rithik roshan he started a chain of gems you know and so i would say the health is going to be big and if you can integrate it with indian knowledge for example ayurveda that's a food science okay or yoga sanas has a flexibility thing and of course go to the gym so there's a huge scope of creativity in the space of health and fitness also so it can be physical it could be gyming or maybe make you know new new patterns


gyming or maybe make you know new new patterns like i know one of my students actually created a new model uh in the health fitness space called as chair yoga so a lot of people want companies they sit on the chairs they get backaches and what do you do so he actually created chair yogas for everyone so it's very important that you can innovate even in the health space the fitness space that is going to be the future especially the youth of india needs to be healthy yeah and fit you know we have a concept called fit india also make a career out of it choose if you want to yeah 100 i think the biggest weapon in my own entrepreneurial career is my habit of fitness it just keeps your head clear it keeps you determined it gives you creativity uh and this is genuinely because in my childhood i was rugged on like the sports field so i just feel that this whole again the education system isn't just about the policies it's about what the policies are


about the policies it's about what the policies are doing as well when a child has free time like when he comes home from school at four o'clock he should have those two three hours to go play cricket to go play football you know to even go for a jog even if you're 10 years old 11 years old so i feel that these changes are going to bring about lifestyle changes in the lives of parents kids so overall hopefully we'll see more sports people more entrepreneurs in this country of course we should and that's where we are supposed to go yeah 100 so uh finally the last point i want to highlight is this single authority syllabus it seems like a mammoth task it means that a kid in south bombay will be studying the same thing as a kid in say arunachal pradesh some remote corner of arunachal pradesh some remote corner of kashmir some remote corner of tamil nadu what is going to happen down this road sir and how does the government look at this


road sir and how does the government look at this situation so i am very clear on this you know already we are moving towards it because the internet space doesn't see geographies okay so i think if somebody is learning something in our world i can also know it if i want if somebody is learning something in pune which is supposed to be a cultural capital of our country a lot of literature is their ancient indian literature so i think this thing will also help in two things one is acceptable to everyone but also very important it will also give the choice to the teacher to decide in what methodology she or he wants to teach okay so when somebody is teaching the same subject in arunachal pradesh maybe she can give local examples when she is teaching in maybe bombay it can be a bombay so what is important it is a flat system with flexibility so remember it's going to be fun f it's going to be flat and it's going to be flexible so the teacher is


it's going to be flexible so the teacher is the main person in designing this particular thing so don't just leave it to the government policies remember the teacher and the student they have to also gel together to make this education system successful beautiful so what can parents expect next like as in now the government has announced this so what is the next step the parent should not expect anything that is where the problem is you know too much of expectation from the child is the problem of our education system also you know because many times parents think that what they could not do in the past should be achieved by the students so my request to the parents is that you know let them enjoy their education don't stress them out you know do you want to have a happy child or just an educated child with a degree okay so i would say the parents you know let me tell you there was a beautiful uh message that i had once read never limit your children to your knowledge because they are born in a different era okay


knowledge because they are born in a different era okay so i would suggest to the parents is that keep open minded don't go back to the past let the children discover their own future but if something your parents can do is two things support the child in the experimenting phases because they will not get it right in the first go support them it's fine it's a buffet dinner right to support your child second important parents please learn from children because they can teach you two things which you don't know like the digital technology you know your children are your best guide so parents enjoy the journey don't make it a stressful journey for your child beautiful so but like actually in the education system like there's a lot of young kids now who've read all these policies gotten excited so what can a fifth grade child expect like will stuff change completely in 2021 or will it be a very gradual trickle down like and the education system will be overhauled over like 10 15 years what will happen so actually


over like 10 15 years what will happen so actually the policy says it's a long term plan okay it's not going to happen overnight and it's not about you know the switching of the button of a you know a switch you know it's not like you know now it's dark you put it on everything will be very light no no no no no it's going to take time there'll be lots of debates discussions but you know i would say it's almost like a demonetization you know the decision is taken but the after effects was going to take time but you know what i always believe change is good if it is futuristic and global in approach so it definitely people say you know i've been in the education system some people say it's going to take three years some people say it's gonna be five years okay so fifth standard child should not take too much stress because anyway every day everything is changing i always say when you buy your latest mobile phone you think it's the latest but the


latest mobile phone you think it's the latest but the next day you see an ad it's gone so the change is going to be very fast what i'm saying is that don't worry about what to expect go with the flow and enjoy the journey because the change is definitely going to happen but it's going to be positive it's going to be one year or five years i don't know because that's all an experimentation but my only thing is that don't resist change accept this and be flexible and create your own future in this particular system gorgeous so again just on behalf of the youth i think this is a huge kind of victory for all the educationalists in india the government as well you know credit where it's due like these changes have like really kind of set up a path for a great future all the entrepreneurs on my twitter are bawling they're happy so let's just hope for the best thank you for being on the runway show today so uh and any signing of


runway show today so uh and any signing of notes yes definitely what i'm happy maybe if i want to die someday you know when i die one day what did i contribute i think i bought back leadership as a subject in the education system okay so i think we all need to not think as followers that is what the britishers did to us you know so our education system was creating followers who are job seekers i think my happiness as signing off is that all of us should think as leaders and an education system will create leaders you be the leader of your life and create the change that you want that is what my message to is from chanakya the king maker beautiful thank you radha so and until next time we will i'm sure even the next episode is going to be fiery motivational and full of knowledge like this thank you for being on trs once again so thank you ranvir you've been a fantastic host and a great friend thank you as always see you soon


any podcast that we do with luke coutinho happens to be one of the most loved pieces on this channel this one is about the story behind the brand luke coutinho what it took keep in mind he began creating this brand that we know of at age 34. before that he worked in the corporate space he even worked as a dj in goa this is the story of his journey from growing up in goa till setting up this internationally famous brand that we know that's called luke coutinho luke is a huge mentor to me he's guided me in some of the most painful moments of my life there's some emotional parts of this episode i actually shed a tear for the first time in this one it's one of the episodes that's the closest to my heart because i've known look for a very long time luke has guided me out of some of the darkest moments of my life and strangely enough this episode was recorded on a very important day for my career so


recorded on a very important day for my career so i've become an investor on ready set jet it's the first company that i've invested in myself we've come very far this youtube game thanks to all the support from you guys from being a youtuber to an entrepreneur to now an investor it's just very overwhelming for me if you want to check out ready set jet products of course they're linked down below some amazing cosmetics and skin care products i really feel you'll enjoy it try it out at least but for now enjoy one of my favorite human beings ever in the world lou coutinho he's on the runway show [Music] luke coutinho i call you one of the all-stars of this show uh your episodes are always the most loved a lot of people know about your knowledge this one's a little more about the story i know that your story is going to contain a lot of knowledge as well so firstly welcome back to the ranveer good to see you bro good to see


ranveer good to see you bro good to see you so uh i think you know before we started this show we used to have this little inspiring interview series and you're one of my first picks for that and you explained how you went from being a dj to um starting your own brand which we all know now online uh but this one's a little more about like the business side of things also how did you traverse that world uh let's let's talk about that whole story but as of now 2021 life has brought you back to goa the place where all of it started yeah uh so what's what's that been like what how's your lockdown been what's the last year been like for you my lockdown's been amazing no disrespect to the people who have suffered through it you know i mean at any point in life if someone's feeling good and doing good there's someone on the other side suffering so i'm not going to be all saintly and say that you know oh you know it's


and say that you know oh you know it's been bad right through it's been great it's been great you know we've worked with patients who have now recovered through covert we've seen patients there's a lot of learning around here the amount that we've learned through covid like if corporate didn't happen it shouldn't have happened and it's not as drastic as we think it is do you know the amount of people who are dying of starvation the numbers are more than the ma the amount of lives lost during covenant yeah diabetics three million deaths a year we've not even done 0.001 percent of that exactly cancer deaths cardiovascular heart attacks it's huge so you know when the media shows us these numbers it instills fear in us but we know exactly when you segment it and break it down the numbers are not as bad i wish no one died from covet i wish it didn't exist but it has but what have we learned from it because you know when something bad happens


from it because you know when something bad happens we can wallow and self-pity we can you know be stuck over there but the way i look at it is what can we learn from this what is it shown as the importance of vitamin d3 which has always been ignored the importance of lung health the importance of if you have diabetes it's not okay do something about it make it better but it's your job you can't just be on meds and say i'm fine because today these are the cases which are being hurt the most so covert has taught us that on a technical front number two it's also shown as two parts you know two populations of people people lost their jobs people's businesses crashed there's one population that slipped into depression and another that have made new businesses you know same problem different mindsets there are some people who lost their job and they said we'll never go back to work they've built online businesses new revenue streams so you see they've taken they've taken


revenue streams so you see they've taken they've taken difficulties and challenging times and they've converted it into profitability into a new life why perspective mind change mindset strength so kovitz brought out so much it's been good for the world in terms of pollution and so many different things it's made us all realize how vulnerable we are you know we can't no medicines worked okay so we turned back to nature we turned back immunity became a buzzword you know before immunity was never even discussed for five years we've been screaming immunity but people were like what's immunity what's immunity today it's a buzzword so you see sometimes the world has to change to bring out the best of what is actually real to us the basics of life the basics of human life is immunity you have low immunity you can get any disease so i think lockdown's been fabulous it's been fabulous you know that's what we can take away from it right now yeah uh i think there were two things


right now yeah uh i think there were two things that came to the forefront the first was alive fear i feel there's different people with different levels of fear inside them yeah and you got to see in your own friend circles okay who are the ones who live a fearful life versus who are the ones who just go for it right that's one thing that came to the forefront the second thing that came to the forefront from a professional standpoint but also from a life standpoint is mental toughness in people and uh i know that the narrative over the last five five years or so has been about mental health and it's important and we will be touching upon that in this podcast as well what's not spoken about enough kudos to someone called david goggins what's not spoken about is mental toughness right i feel that's going to be the next big thing in the world we've called it mental fitness in the past i had to term mental toughness as mental fitness on the channel for this


toughness as mental fitness on the channel for this reason that the moment you say oh be tough people think it's an attack on the conversation of mental health yeah and as i said no not toughness it's mental fitness but that's all the more reason you need to stand with this point because what is mental awareness we're aware that depression is at its highest we're aware that suicides that teenage problems adult problems senior citizen problems and is that mental awareness is not going to fix it mental toughness is going to fix it yes i'm sad now what are you going to do about it okay we're not disrespecting that you're sad but what action are you going to take oh yes my girlfriend or my boyfriend broke up with me yes i empathize with you no one likes heartbreak but now what are you going to do are you going to stay stuck are you going to move on you need mental toughness or like you're coining a word mental fitness you need it or mental awareness is


word mental fitness you need it or mental awareness is useless people are aware of their emotions i don't know anyone who isn't aware of their emotions the thing lacking is action they're stuck they're not moving forward so yeah and you're absolutely right so when we say you got to suck it up and be tough people are like oh because you're emotionally weak you have to be emotionally strong weakness cannot be accepted it can be work to it yes we can accept it but now we need to move to action we can't accept it and do nothing about it then we're creating a failing model in society where people only get the year what they want to hear oh you went through a breakup yes he shouldn't have done that she shouldn't have done that here come let's go shop let's go number pain by you know smoking a joint drinking more alcohol no you've created a mentally weak society but you need someone to say yep okay you know go home feel bad go through the


okay you know go home feel bad go through the feelings but tomorrow get up and move on with your life it's difficult no one is saying it is easy but you got to do it yeah that is mental toughness it's needed there's a very small section of urban audiences i believe that uh really really highlights the darkness of mental health and that whole mental health conversation right um i want you to highlight that like i know this whole podcast is about your story and i know that mental toughness has been a part of your journey you're someone who always looks at the positive side of things so that's not a part of your life that you highlight often i'd love for you to highlight some of your own dark times as well in this conversation and right before you do that again i've got to highlight david goggins man yeah i discovered him through joe rogan and joe rogan's podcast that guy has a catch phrase david goggins he says stay hard and that's that's so important


he says stay hard and that's that's so important yeah especially in the modern day yeah you know if you like i think before covet or even during the lockdown if you promoted the idea of mental toughness you had this entire section of urban audiences coming at you and saying that how dare you say it but you know what you know where all the problems are in that urban audience emotionally weak and unstable when i say this i don't mean it in a disrespectful way i'm here to correct a problem i'm here if i have a patient in front of me the only thing i see is your recovery if you are becoming an obstacle to it it's my job to break it down yeah if you don't want to break it down that's your part i'm not going to force you so all the people who come and say oh no you need to be compassionate yes compassion and toughness go together but you'll see all the problems when people attack you from a particular standpoint on social


people attack you from a particular standpoint on social media what those are the audiences that have the problem you can see it right there and then i see it and i know you're on the right path to keep moving forward so stay hard okay it's a fantastic phrase but you know a lot of groups are going to say like that's too you know callous that's too rough but it's the truth and most people want honesty in the throat but you know where they feel runway no one can take it the biggest issue in relationships i want honesty but they can't take it when they get honesty so you build up white lies you build up walls because you want to satisfy your partner emotionally whereas the easiest thing for a guy or a girl is to be yourself and be honest but the other party has to be able to take it so stay heart is great but people have to see it in the perspective of yes we empathize you have a problem we're not disregarding the


you have a problem we're not disregarding the pain you're going through but you have to stay hard that's the only way you stay afloat right so there's a lot of wisdom in that for sure yeah uh scheme or online trolls or just trolls in general doubters and haters in life people only point out the negatives that they see within themselves if they feel something negative about themselves like for example the most common uh i'm sure even you get this because you're associated with the world of fitness someone somewhere will be criticizing something about you your knowledge or your body but actually somewhere deep within themselves they're criticizing their own knowledge and their own body they're projecting exactly they're projecting their insecurities on you and you know trolls are basically i mean everyone tries to define trolls they're cowards and i'll tell you why again coward is a word okay and if someone tells me today luke you know you behave like a coward for me i want to know what part of


coward for me i want to know what part of that behavior it was and change it because i don't want to be a coward so i'm taking it positively but trolls because they know they don't have to come face to face they attack and they project now face to face they will never be able to project their insecurities on someone so social media has given a platform to people to hide behind a screen and project because if you want to give constructive criticism you can still use the platform but when someone's trolling it's a very very deeply rooted negative in them that they project and you know a lot of people ask me around me i'm sure you've gone through it it affects us why and it should affect us you know why because the brain works on survival anything that threatens our peace our happiness our safety the mind is on alert so if you've ever noticed i'm going through 500 comments of love and thing but the mind will pick up that one troll and focus and people say


pick up that one troll and focus and people say oh be strong look i'm trying to be strong no no it's natural what's happening threat to survival negative threat the brain proceeds perceives it as a threat now what you're going to do it is up to you whether you're going to take it on ignore it or whatever but a lot of people feel that why is it affecting me luke i shouldn't i'm meditating every day it will affect you because your brain is focused on survival anything that's a threat it will focus its attention on that but all the other 300 comments of love and appreciation is not a threat so it's not going to stimulate that same thing so when we accept this we don't put ourselves down for like i need to meditate more because this affected me today no it was meant to affect you now how attached you are to that is your decision so if you're in touch attached and entangled then maybe you need to meditate more chant more to uh


maybe you need to meditate more chant more to uh detach but if you're not you see it you recognize it as a threat take action block do what you want and move on so but the troll thing is nothing but projection these people are angry or they're trying to be you or they want to be better than you or what you've achieved is what they've never been able to achieve so the only thing that they can do is try to pull you down and they can't do it physically so they do it behind screen i think this kind of a clip from this particular episode is very important for the times that we live in because everyone's become a content creator now that's what they say about the 2020s yeah every single human has become a content creator yeah you know man i know you i think for like two or three years now maybe and you've always guided me at some important uh junctures in my life i've never really really asked you about the guy luke i've always looked


you about the guy luke i've always looked at you as for lack of a better word yeah like you know a big bro uh but i've never asked you about what you were like when you were my age what you were like in your mid-20s and i feel like you've gone through some that you don't address so this whole podcast is about that man that you don't put out online because i you do i know that you speak from your heart and every single piece of content you put up online it's actually what you're feeling in the present and you're someone who doesn't really focus on your past you don't even call your struggle face a struggling face um what happened like take us back to that i mean i know you don't like using that word take us back to that struggle like in your early twenties mid-twenties so i'll be really really honest with you when i look at this okay i've never had a struggle i've never seen anything as a struggle you know


i've never seen anything as a struggle you know i think like so if you ask me my story there's no story i'm probably in chapter two or chapter three and i don't know what's going to happen the next year i've gone with the flow always go back to my dj years i never knew i would do this i just want to give the audience some context okay your health career started at age 34 yes how old do you know i am now 41 41. so that's like what seven years yeah seven years so twenty six fourteen twenty thirteen yeah what happened in the pre twenty thirteen twenty fourteen basis and and like you had like sort of a meteoric rise in this whole health world okay so i'm gonna call it out right now because i don't have a story i was in ibm okay you know about to become a deputy general manager and you know that whole thing you want to become a gm and a vp and all of that stuff and you always look at the people above


that stuff and you always look at the people above you you know the vps the senior managers traveling business class all over the world important meetings and stuff and i would just look at their lives one had cholesterol one had diabetes one had whatever and i was like you know it doesn't make sense there was one who couldn't even fit into the seat of a business class wow so i was like you know something's wrong what is wrong over here okay i identified a gap okay i have to tell you one point i wouldn't see it as a struggle i see it as a blessing because that was that's what shaped my career i wasn't the hardcore operations in ibm i had this boss his name was vikas varma okay and one day he came to me and said look you're gonna fail in operations because you don't like numbers operation is all about excel and i don't he identified something that i was just trying to be good at because to succeed in operations you got to be good


because to succeed in operations you got to be good at pnl and all of that stuff he said you know what i'm going to move you into learning and development because you know how to teach you know you know you speak well and all of that stuff so i was upset that night like you know he discovered like a truth of mine but he had the guts to call it out the next day i told him yeah let's move i moved to learning and development beautiful position in ibm i had a lot more time to pursue my studies and nutrition so that was one thing that happened two is if he had not pulled me out there i would still be in the struggle of the corporate ladder yeah so if you see he pulled me out of the struggle which he identified it i didn't see it as a struggle for me it was like you know rat race rat race okay fake it through to meetings pretend you understand numbers and stuff like that i didn't and then i


numbers and stuff like that i didn't and then i moved into learning and development i had a lot more time to study and that's when i started i was working more closely with the vps and stuff i noticed a gap that these people have the worst lifestyles so i was at the junction of my career do i want to get into nutrition pediatrics integrative medicine all of these things and i said there's enough of all of this happening in the world but no one is teaching people lifestyle how to live how to if you're busier what do you need to do to stay busy successful but keep your health that was the game changer in my life ranvier i took lifestyle got into lifestyle medicine integrative medicine merged everything together and just filled the gap that no one was feeling no one was filling so honestly i've just been flowing through life and wherever i see a gap and i feel if i feel it there's going to be impact i jump into it i don't even look to see


i jump into it i don't even look to see what's going to happen and stuff so two months i started seeing patients and stuff and i said when i was probably earning about 80 000 rupees at that time and i said okay fine plus pf plus all of this so when i hit one lakh in my client consults that's the time i leave okay but one night i realized why am i so fearful about this i know i'm good my clients are increasing i'm changing their lives and stuff i said let me just resign and see what happens best decision of my life from one lakh it went up to like 10 lakhs the next month to 15 lakhs like you know it's just that fear you got to overcome fear so i know i can't think of a story i had a great childhood i mean everyone i'm in a family where my parents fought but it's not it we're not damaged because of that i'm happy i saw it because i can relate to other


i saw it because i can relate to other families as well and realize that fighting is real people are different but what you can learn from that my parents are still together they learn to forgive we're back as a family we've grown up seeing forgiveness happen maybe that's where we low-key connect on a subconscious level ah you didn't know that about me i didn't know that about you until this point but i have a like exact reflective parallel journey to what you just said any friends let's go on family kids brothers and sisters we still fight i'm in goa for a year staying with my parents that's why i went back to goa okay now i left home at the age of 18 and i'm going back at 41 and staying with them there are going to be differences adjustments staying i fought with my dad several times over this one year but by dinner time we're fine and it's so healthy you know so i think there's so much learning but you see today that urban


there's so much learning but you see today that urban audience that you speak about oh there's a fight okay let's get a therapist let's get a counselor i mean screw it you know i mean i don't disrespect accounts some people need it but what are you doing to figure it out so has the world projected a perfect family to you that doesn't fight a perfect relationship where people don't go wrong yeah that's the projection of the world and that's where the suffering breeds from yeah so a child today who has always been told that oh you're beautiful you're the best and they step out into the real world and people say we don't give a about you you know you're no one yeah and so and then they're like i need a therapist i need a terrorist and no one loves me no one appreciates me emotionally weak society okay blame their parents blame society blame whatever and stuff like that love your child but when you need to discipline them you need to discipline them


need to discipline them you need to discipline them you need to call a spade a spade that's part of our bringing you know so i think i've not gone through a struggle do i have a dark side of my life of course absolutely i've done my share of stuff and whatever but i can tell you if i had not done that today i wouldn't be who i am because again there's a lesson to take of course i've not killed anyone not done anything bad that way but you know what guys do as we grow up all of that stuff i've had my share of broken relationships where i've broken them i've too timed i have three times i've gone through it okay yes maybe i shouldn't have caused the pain but there's a lesson what is the lesson okay your actions cause hurt small lesson everyone deals with it but for me who was i at that point why couldn't i be satisfied why couldn't i so i can look back at those relationships and say i was never in


back at those relationships and say i was never in love don't fool yourself thinking that just because you're in a relationship you're in love for me it was curiosity it was wonder it was fun and all of that stuff but accepting that today makes me more mature when i'm able to handle relationship problems of my clients and tell them it's okay it's okay don't think you messed up everything it is okay because you're beating up your girlfriend or you're beating up your husband that happens too that's not okay but if there's a problem fix it you don't want to fix it don't stay as simple as that you don't need a if you don't have the will to fix something you don't need a counselor to try to fix that you've made up your mind no one can change that walk out yeah so the dark phases in my life is that but i cover it with light as quickly as possible because i'll tell you what whoever i've worked with everyone we you me all of


i've worked with everyone we you me all of us we have a bright side and we have a dark side be aware of your dark side is it harming someone is it harming you is it draining you all of that stuff you know tame it do what you want otherwise we do have brights and dark side now you want to grow brighter sort of darker it you know it becomes less dark everyone has it but everyone's trying to be too good all the time everyone's trying to be like i'm this and this and this and i say what about this this your life is boring if you're only this this this and stuff why are you ashamed of talking about it or whatever that's what makes life beautiful that's what makes life beautiful so i really don't think i have a struggle in my life but all my biggest struggle is mumbai traffic which is now sorted because i'm in goa you know i don't i don't know how to handle it it frustrates me two hours i can be i


it frustrates me two hours i can be i can see like like four patients five patients i'm not learn to deal with it i'll meditate i chant whatever but it's fixed i'm in goa right now i i don't have a mumbai uh traffic struggle right now well my my immediate solution for that problem in my life is i'm gonna sit in my car and i'm gonna make content like i'm just gonna record myself doing something yeah that's that's the immediate solution but you know from everything you said there's so many aspects i wish to highlight there's a lot of people listening to this podcast right now who are like you highlight the relationships part i want to know more about luke's relationships just so you know that's going to be another whole episode that we'll record after this therefore i'm going to go back to the theme of this podcast which is mental toughness right um i'm gonna say something controversial that might get me into some trouble but i'm saying it in a


into some trouble but i'm saying it in a very general way you highlighted this whole aspect of therapists and psychologists who've dedicated their entire life to helping people and the mental health issues and i'm sure that they know about the human mind way deeper than people from other professions [Music] but and correct me if i'm wrong i'm asking you this question i'm not making any statements do you believe that the human mind is uh limited enough for someone to take all aspects of it and put it inside a textbook because it's impossible yeah i i personally believe especially with psychology students have spoken to a few students studying at mumbai university they're very arrogant about the stuff they read in their textbooks for example i know that there's a textbook in mumbai university that actually just kind of calls meditation false it calls meditation fake that's not what navel ravi khan says that's not what luke coutinho says that's not what my experiences have taught me i've had some


what my experiences have taught me i've had some out-of-body experiences in meditation i have seen my own mental health get better over time through consistent meditation i've seen my mental toughness increase through meditation right and i feel that experience is the biggest teacher honestly maybe that was my own subjective experience but i don't believe that psychology textbooks completely encapsulate the human mind and i have met some fantastic psychologists some fantastic therapists who have learned through the experience of coaching or mentoring other people i feel that that's what teaches them the most but never limit your perspective on things because of the textbooks that you've read so absolutely textbooks are guides let's go back to medical science okay anatomy is my favorite subject but it gives me information and knowledge on how your heart works what will happen if your create levels go up what happens if you have plaque in your brain you know it's great as a benchmark okay anatomy in a book you're that's a book structure is right


a book you're that's a book structure is right everything is good but you are constantly changing okay just because anatomy says that a plaque will happen in the age groups of 50 to 60 okay doesn't mean we start looking at it only when you're 50 or 60. it's a process that has started probably when you're 30 because you have low vitamin b12 you're not you're sleep deprived example that's where the book it's great but that's where it ends now for me i want to know how can i prevent that plaque from coming in your brain so i'm going to look beyond that but just because science isn't looking beyond that and they haven't put the pieces together doesn't mean you're wrong so psychology yes there's a process there's a book and all of that stuff but your brain is constantly evolving and changing every second okay how can you just take textbook knowledge and put it into a solution for your brain and your emotional problem okay someone's going through a divorce it's the same


okay someone's going through a divorce it's the same thing accept it start going out start doing this start to end no what about you how are you changing what role did you play in your own suffering they're trying to make you feel better all the time by taking responsibility out of you but when it comes down to depression even and a lot of people who are depressed they don't like when i say this it's your responsibility at the end of the day take help take a coach go to a psychologist i have psychologists on my team that's why we say integrative medicine i know a psychologist cannot fix my patient alone without us looking at their meditation on one side their yoga so if my psychologist doesn't believe in meditation that's fine you do your bit my meditation teacher will take over and teach this person meditation because it is needed so that's what integrative medicine that is what we do we take the patient what you need not what the textbook says okay we won't break the rules of


textbook says okay we won't break the rules of the textbook but if i feel ranveer needs a higher protein diet and a higher carb diet because he's carb efficient i'm not going to look at a textbook that says oh low carb is the best you know because if i put a cgm monitor on you and i find out that you are carb efficient guess what you're going to lose more weight with carbs so i'm treating you as an individual i'm using the knowledge of the textbook so you are absolutely right people who put and see that's the difference between a successful psychologist and a psychologist who's not so successful my point is everyone's studied the same thing all of you should be a class psychologist what's the difference curiosity and experience one person goes beyond and uses experience and textbook knowledge the other person who who's probably not made it yet is still stuck in a textbook and is trying to fit the patient in a box in the textbook can never ever work that way i


in the textbook can never ever work that way i always give a simple example 100 a plus doctors will pass out of howard and yale medical college every year how many of them will make it as the most successful doctors two three or four why not hundred same textbooks same knowledge same professors what's the difference the person the experience how much they went the extra mile to fuse everything together and give a result yeah but those who are still stuck in this textbook textbook writing articles about saturated fat is bad for you you know like still articles coming out from leading institutes across the world uh you know that's what i mean that textbook you know bound and that's the problem so look correct me if i'm wrong uh now this is from my fitness only days when i was the only great fitness content i had to deep dive into fitness and uh what i realized was that there's multiple schools of thought uh when it comes to fitness some of which are extremely contradictory uh now there's also multiple


are extremely contradictory uh now there's also multiple studies that back those multiple schools so school a will say oh keto uh no gab and there's lots of studies that back that and then school b will say say vegan right you know oh and there's studies that back that yeah school c will say balanced and there's studies that back that um studies are something that you can manipulate right yeah like you can change certain factors because that's what my learning was when i deep dived into stuff people used factors in those studies to come to conclusions uh which could easily be twisted as in they chose factors that were obviously more beneficial to the conclusion they wanted to reach absolutely yeah and that's why i realized that yo you can't really rely on these fitness studies for uh the ultimate truth yeah and then the more i worked with clients the more i met people like yourself i realized that it's so subjective what works for a particular mind or a particular body or a


a particular mind or a particular body or a particular weight loss experience for someone or a weight gain experience for someone is very subjective to the individual and you can't say that oh there's a study that's come out that's why i'm saying it oh there's a book that's come out that's why i'm saying it but we have top fitness professionals we have people who own fitness academies putting up you know stuff that only backs school a or school b or school c or school d and their whole life becomes centered around that and they're not willing to accept that the human body is different for everyone and uh what you said about you know with integrative medicine you have a team now and the team approaches the same problem from five directions correct this is so much more a team spot where different experiences and different learnings come together and help that one person yeah because that one person has such a varied subjective experience versus only one person helping your patient and saying that oh i've studied


your patient and saying that oh i've studied this school a so you've got to listen to school a yeah am i right in saying this yeah absolutely right and let me give you an example okay most of the studies are manipulated we know that today okay today i mean the more more you see it on the news top studies have been manipulated people have been paid thousands and thousands of u.s dollars to manipulate and because it comes with from a recognized institute everyone believes we would like to believe that would be an ideal world where we don't have to do the thinking okay so you can't base your dynamics you're made up of physiology biology chemistry on a study now i will use a study if today one of my patients is on a blood thinner okay and an ayurvedic doctor says hey listen i want to put you on ashwagandha i want to know how they contradict i will look at studies to see what's possibly come safe and then make a decision because you never


come safe and then make a decision because you never know even how that's going to interact in the body so that can give me some base to a decision but all these studies of fitness go back look at people like arnold schwarzenegger you know all of these dory and yates do you think they even referred to one study in their life they followed a principle of progression okay more protein more progression more muscle tear and i have muscle build a principle which they believed in and they went through this do you think at the start of arnold schwarzenegger's career they even had as many studies as we have you see i've noticed another thing a lot of people today they're not connected inwards they don't they're scared to make a decision using their own logic and they don't they want to think so they hide behind studies they go to extremes like i have nothing against vegans carnivore i don't know but a lot of these people it's a sense of identity for


lot of these people it's a sense of identity for them i am vegan i am carnivore i am whatever be what you want stay calm is it working for you okay don't say i'm vegan and then come to me and say i have this issue i'm carnivore and then come to say i have cholesterol issues be humble about it if it suits you it works for you beautiful go don't try to change the world by coming up with 10 studies which can also be proven completely wrong by another department so i think people are wasting their lives behind these studies trying to push things out it's ego at the end it's ego and no it's it's way deeper than that it's a it's an attention-seeking mechanism i'll tell you why you only move to extremes when you want a sense of identity there's nothing wrong with keto suits you do it okay if it's not sustainable don't do it change to something else go back 10 15 20 years did our do the


go back 10 15 20 years did our do the people in that generation need a study to tell them what to eat or were they more intuitive okay when i eat more fat and protein i have mental clarity i lose weight i feel good that's my diet okay oh i feel better on carbs i'm going to eat carbs oh i feel horrible when i'm sitting at home and not working out they were intuitive and everyone has a different body so i can't go out and say low carb is the way forward i have diabetics eating medium carbs and they're doing fantastically well i have people who go low carb and their blood sugar levels you know plummet down and they have bigger problems when they wake up in the morning everyone is individual so hiding behind a study see it can possibly give you that that move to move into a direction but you claim and you you know grasp onto that study no it's right and you ask them three or four like ask them one question why are you doing


four like ask them one question why are you doing this most of them don't have an answer to why like oh no what vegan is why are you doing it so someone says oh i blow it up when i have milk and stuff super answer but most people i don't you know there are studies that say this why you so i'm saying see there are good studies as well but most of them can be controlled my point is when it comes to things like lifestyle you don't need a study to tell you to meditate yeah you don't need a study to tell you to do deep breathing exercises this is common sense you don't need a study to tell you these things my point is if you're connected inwards and you're listening your body is talking to you all the time hey what you wait didn't make me feel good but you're going on eating the same stuff stupidity and then you want to look at studies and go on to an extreme measure where the only change was you're overeating


extreme measure where the only change was you're overeating you don't need an extreme change you need to stop overeating so i think we've lost that intuitive skill because that's unfortunately what social media and everything does right we're connected outwards so we don't know how to connect in and rely on our own inner voice like look there's a breakup today or a girl wants a breakup or a boy or a boy whatsoever they have to speak to 10 friends for validation my point is what do you want to do oh i don't know i how can you not know what you want to do so that means you are going to base your entire relationship on 10 of your friends they're opinions they're not facts there's a big difference what is your feeling they can't even they need validation to even make a decision of whether i should see this boy or this girl or breakup you know and that's dangerous society yeah that's very dangerous because people are going to change opinions are going to change facts stay


going to change opinions are going to change facts stay the same so we have to lean more towards facts so you know what man like um i was scanning some of monk entertainment's young talents now there's these bunch of mumbai kids 18 years old 19 years old they came out with this little podcast this guy called dave rayani and a friend of mine they were 80 they are 18 and they are speaking about some really deep i'm like i didn't think like this when i was 18. and they say that like these kids who are 18 years old one of them was talking about the younger sister who's 13 years old and they said that oh my 13 year old sister is way more different than i am she's even more intelligent even deeper she thinks differently at 13 than i did a 13 year old of 2021 is what born in 2008 where facebook was at its peak yeah she was born into a world of social media she was born into a world of information so i feel


was born into a world of information so i feel that that generation is a double-edged sword double-edged sword that's what it's called absolutely both ways that absolutely you'll be extremely intelligent and deep slash you will have so much information that will mess you up yeah um that's the world we're going into and i kind of for some reason because of what happened in the lockdown and people went so much within themselves i am a little optimistic about that generally you should after lockdown before the lockdown i would have said no i'm a little worried for you guys yeah i feel people have people are kind of awakening to intuition again and concepts of going within yourself looking within yourself concepts like meditation people are understanding that how it's something that can add to your mental fitness add to your mental toughness the generations that have taken a hit are the 90s born generations and the 80s born generation which is mine and i see that around me i go to a soho house i go


around me i go to a soho house i go to a club i speak to me people my age people are a little older than me who are dealing with tons of divorces tons of you know just general issues these 20 years 1980 to 1999 people born in that phase are probably the most i'd say mentally weak almost man which is exactly why i want to highlight your life again yeah what was your 20s like were you were you thinking about some really big because like you've achieved kind of the dream for a lot of health professionals so in your twenties were you putting pressure on yourself because that's the next generation i went with the flow in in my 20s i didn't know what i wanted to do but were you were you visualizing your life never i learned visualization only when i saw how it worked on my patients i began to believe in it in it you know what i can share this through uh i wasn't a good student and this is not negative self-talk okay when


good student and this is not negative self-talk okay when i say that i'm going to tell you why i wasn't a good student i couldn't understand complication i couldn't understand anything that was complicated my brain could pick up things which was simple and you know thrive on that okay which is true knowledge which is true knowledge okay so i was really bad in math physics barely script through class all of that stuff so even when i moved into this field everyone around me couldn't believe that i can talk like you know medical science the way i do it today i reflected on this what changed in me i wasn't aspiring for it i didn't have this dream i want to be this you know health professional absolutely not you know what i realized and this is my truth because my brain can't see complication i can look at the most complicated problem and my brain will try to simplify it so i can understand it so you come with me with a ton of reports and a ton of symptoms my brain


ton of reports and a ton of symptoms my brain is going to look for the simplest things that could have caused this and build on it and that's my success and people aren't willing to accept that that their complicated problems can be that simple all my complicated cases i mean i have medical doctors on my team today who say look the complicated cases are solved by the simplest solutions for that you got to be hard to accepted root so if i'm here to tell you today that your hormonal imbalance not you is because of sleep deprivation i am telling you the truth now you not wanting to believe it doesn't change the truth so the people who believe it they're like look my endometriosis has disappeared i don't need surgery am i a genius no i just told you something which makes sense to me which is the truth which can also be backed by studies example for the people who will want to study that oh i need to sleep well okay that's it so for me


need to sleep well okay that's it so for me i have taken a weakness which i thought was always a weakness and today that's because my biggest strength my biggest strength so if my cfo comes up with a complicated business expansion plan okay i just tell him simplify it in five bullet points and if it makes sense to me do it if it doesn't make sense i don't want to be involved in it i don't want to be pulled into complication so that's honestly my only thing you know so if i look back that's why i always say it's never a struggle i mean because i've always looked at it if it's a struggle i've made it into something which is super super beneficial for me and that's you know you keep saying i'm positive that's how it is i mean whatever mistakes i've seen i've taken away with it i can't change who may have gotten hurt in the process of i can't i can intend not to do that again but i can only


intend not to do that again but i can only move forward and see who i was at that point who she was at that point who the patient was at that point and build a new story out of it so technically in my 20s let me go back to my 20s what was i doing um in 20s i probably hit dubai at that point i got selected for an interview i went for a base position interview but i decided to put the higher position like a team leader okay and i got selected and everyone was like you don't even have a year of experience but the truth is i got selected so i moved at a higher position to dubai from dubai i moved to london from london i came back to india from there i went back to dubai i was just going with the flow didn't know what i wanted to do until i finished 10 years in ibm that's when life hit me and i believed that if life hit me with this health professional in my 25s i would


me with this health professional in my 25s i would have failed i didn't have maturity i didn't have drive and the want to make that my thing so i believe life pushed me through this journey which is zero people say look what if you started this when you were 24 i said i wouldn't be successful i was not meant to do this at 24. there's a time and place for everyone in life for everyone and i grew up with my dad telling me that he said don't try to push your time before there's a time and place it is planned it is written you can't change that you can't change certain things in life and today i wouldn't change anything in my past at all i wouldn't change anything yeah um i definitely want to ask you a lot about your business journey because i believe that the same mindset that you use to go this deep into the world of health you have used it to some extent in your business career as well in your professional life uh but


business career as well in your professional life uh but before that i just want to highlight three things that i get from your journey yeah the first is that you're a forever learned that's the most absolutely never stop learning yeah uh that's your biggest strength also and i feel that uh that's something very underrated in the modern day because especially when you're in a scientific field like medicine or engineering you're always told in college that uh oh if you want to make it big you've got to learn a crazy amount and that process of learning is kind of made fearful for a lot of kids but when you actually get out in the real world and you begin your learning process you realize oh it was just this yeah i figured it out yeah when for example if you think of um elon musk who's creating spacex he taught himself rocket science and on a podcast with joe rogan he's explained rocket science in detail in simple words that okay this is what you need this is how i figured


this is what you need this is how i figured it out and you realize that even something as complicated as rocket science it's just about grit in that learning process uh that's one thing i want to highlight about you the second thing i want to highlight about you is probably something you don't give yourself enough credit for which is maybe genetic maybe due to childhood experiences you're a great communicator you're a great auditor which again is why you probably got selected as a team leader yeah and the third thing is um again it kind of highlights that learning process but it's a court of steve jobs that stayed with me all my life so steve jobs said that this one quote changed his entire life he says that the moment you realize that the entire world was created by people no smarter than yourself is where everything changes for you where once you realize that you can create a world absolutely that works according to your rules that's why everything changes but you need to have the balls to think that


but you need to have the balls to think that way i think you need guts say no fear you've got to put fear on the side like a lot of people say luka you know you're the best and like no i say i'm the best in my mind i have to be it's not in an arrogant way you know people around me can be be better i can learn from them all of that but when i'm treating a patient if i don't think i'm the best in my mind how am i going to treat a cancer patient yeah i have to be the best in my mind open to learning not the best that i know at all that's that's a that's a that's a really bad attitude thinking you're the best and that no one is better than you i know there are people better around with me and i can learn from them but when i'm treating someone i have to be the best in my mind otherwise why will you put your life in my hands if i'm not the


put your life in my hands if i'm not the best in my mind so it comes down to your mindset at the end of the day and absolutely and i think i've been blessed with a lot of luck i've always been lucky some people say it's not lucky someone you know i think what's worked for me honestly even i've gotten out of like i told you relationships this that whatever i've never done anything with the wrong intention even the worst things in my life that i shouldn't have done my intention was never negative never to harm someone never to like if if i two timed a girl i'm telling you honestly right now i don't care what people say it was because i didn't know how to say no to the first girl you know i didn't want to hurt her and i know you know you are going to hurt her when she finds out i just didn't know how to do it so today when i look back okay i don't like confrontation i have


look back okay i don't like confrontation i have to learn how to be okay with confrontation but my intention was never like oh wow i can get laid on both sides i can get this it was never never ever that intention so i believe that my luck or whatever you you know you call it has come always because there's been pure intention behind everything so when people say hey wow you're lucky i just think that i never had a bad intention it's never been so that's my belief it doesn't have to be other people's stories but this is my story it's my belief that's what i think has worked for me because i think a lot of people who look up to us you know a lot of i keep telling my fans and followers don't try to be me me is working for me you may want to take away one thing from that but don't try to be me i've never had a role model in my life i can't be that person but i can take away a little


be that person but i can take away a little bit from you know whoever my role models are a little bit from mike tyson a little bit from tupac example whatever i can't say like i want to be like them you can't you can't so i think it comes from there so i have this theory about life that i've repeatedly understood is the right theory so according to me life boils down to being a cheesecake okay a cheesecake is made up of your bottom layer which is your crusty biscuit and then it's made of it's made up also of your cheese and cream on the top which is the other layer it's the brown layer and the yellow layer the brown layer is who you are as a person the crust what's inside what's the base of it are you a good person do you have good intentions for other people are you doing good things in the world the top layer is your level of domination this is something i've been teaching my team a lot because i


i've been teaching my team a lot because i saw it as a missing link in a lot of people within my team domination is the spirit of backing yourself going after things whether that's you giving your all to a relationship or you giving all to your career mixed with domination in your learning process that chasing learning yeah going behind learning with everything you've got correct yeah you mix that spirit of domination of your learning with domination with your work that's your yellow layer of cheese yeah and your crust is who you are as a person and your curry that makes a good cheesecake yeah no that's beautifully put beautifully put absolutely see the crust can't really be changed it can be built on like you said the layers what you put over there it can be changed over time with a lot of you know going back to your childhood changing the things that didn't work for you back then and all of those things but uh yeah that's a brilliant brilliant way of explaining it yeah um


brilliant brilliant way of explaining it yeah um which now brings me to how you applied the cheesecake to your business career man like uh because you had corporate experience which i'm sure taught you people's skills it taught you how the corporate world works uh again a couple of things i want to highlight you're not from an overly privileged khandan or anything correct that's an excuse that a lot of people use i am from a privileged background honestly the best thing my dad ever did for me was the moment i got out of college he had a tough conversation with me where he said that i will let you stay in the house that i've built i will not give you a single rupee to begin your own thing your pocket money stops from today you are going to figure out how to earn your own money and if you want to start a business i'm not even going to give you a loan right you're bootstrapped from the get-go while that was a tough listen for me it put


while that was a tough listen for me it put my back against the wall and i asked myself what are the skills that i know right now yeah i studied fitness in college i knew i could sell that fitness who am i gonna sell that fitness to i didn't have any clients at 22. so i literally went up to people at carter road and i kind of did a sales ploy i mean i was doing sales back then i didn't know that i was doing sales but i was selling myself i was just speaking confidently yeah pointing out their flaws in very positive ways pointing out their insecurities told a couple of ambitious looking teenagers that yo maybe you need some fitness help i'll help you i'll be that guy for you i get a message on my facebook page saying i'm interested in taking your coaching those are my first few clients and i was able to pay for myself like that the money i made through the training i didn't spend on partying i spent on


training i didn't spend on partying i spent on my youtube equipment i spent on the train travel that i did to bandra nandhiri i spent on building my own career people often see someone from a slightly more privileged background and think that even they've had it easier i'm not saying i've had it as difficult as many people have people also believe that i had a backup plan um which maybe i did man but i never went to that mentality i always meant with the mentality of okay whatever that's fine i'm gonna look forward i'm gonna do my own thing yeah um you weren't in that position you had earned money through your corporate life yeah you had saved up some stuff and my gauge of you is that you probably gave yourself three to six months you said that okay i'm gonna budget out these three to six months but i'm gonna dominate and go for it in terms of building my own career i'm gonna build my own business with this little backup of this money


my own business with this little backup of this money that i've saved right and then you backed your skills you backed your learning process you backed your sales skills you backed your idea of preparing yourself is that what happened in that phase when you were switching from corporate to business so i'm gonna remove all the masks i don't think i have a mask on since i started with you anyway okay so this is we have a pretty similar story there my dad said when you're 18 you're out of the house in my case okay uh you can go where you want whatever you do your first tattoo get your first year piercing when you're 18. so the moment i was 18 i went got my first tattoo whatever the next day i was on a bus from goada bombay with 200 bucks in my pocket okay oh sorry that's a lie that's a lie i had about 10 grand which was a lot of money all my dj money my collected money i had a nice music system 10


my collected money i had a nice music system 10 grand my pocket i headed to bombay i was lucky my mom had a place in bandra okay which i got kicked out of six months later because my mom's brother was a priest and he wasn't too happy when he found like a chillum in his chalice in the cupboard and stuff so i was kicked out had to rent and stuff but but super journey no regrets it was like fun okay i came i worked in a i worked in mcdonald's i was in ihm wow i was in ihm i got picked up on campus so there was this whole management course for six months where you come you work in all departments clean toilets do all of that stuff and then you become a management trainee stipend was 500 bucks okay i was at the undairy uh mcdonald's and stuff like that you can't live in bombay and 500 bucks even at that point so i would have all my meals burgers shakes all of that


have all my meals burgers shakes all of that stuff at mcdonald's go back home i realized this isn't gonna be it call centers were sprouting up in the country at that point okay salary of seven thousand bucks i said from 500 bucks to 7000 huge just go and over there you're put into this call center with loads and loads of people party life all of that stuff so worked in a call center for one and a half year time of my life beautiful stuff and that's when i got picked up for the interview in dubai where they came to select call center agents i said let me try for the team leader position applied got through massive so when on a slightly higher salary over there the money i saved in dubai and all of that stuff i would send a little money home i would send a little money uh to my parents all of that stuff not that they ever needed it but uh i felt like doing it when i came back after a couple of months in dubai


came back after a couple of months in dubai i took whatever money i had saved and i bought an enfield okay absolutely no life plan at all i think i must mention my dad here he's brought us up with this word called providence and we've seen it what is it always believe in providence means you're being looked after this doesn't mean you sit at home and don't work do your best but you're being looked after and i've seen providence in my dad's life like like anything he was the general manager of caterpillar you know live private jets to switzerland all that jazz and stuff like that retired at a very young age because he wanted to move back to goa and be with the kids so all of that stuff you know he did that he made his money came back we had a very very mediocre decent childhood and stuff like that but he always told us i will give you all the best education after that you're on your own because you have six siblings and i


on your own because you have six siblings and i gotta look after all of them okay so this providence i know i think it's ingrained in me i always believe that as long as i'm working hard i'll be looked after so i went back to london came back made a little bit of money joined ibm on a salary of maybe 20 000. okay worked and stuff like that now let me tell you and i and i want to i want to tell you this part of the story when i quit ibm i got married a year before one year before i quit ibm okay i spent six lakhs on my wedding five to six with the ring and all of their jazz you know catholic weddings are not you don't have all these fancy things peaceful fun all of that stuff uh in my total savings i would have had around maybe 15 to 16 lakhs okay uh which clearly shows you i didn't really save much i didn't splurge either i lived i paid a rent in bandra


either i lived i paid a rent in bandra i wanted to stay in bandra i paid a rent for 40 000 all of that jazz and you know uh i didn't need money to start my business because my business was exactly like you when i was in ibm how do i get my first client was the biggest thing it was luke okay we had a britisher in ibm she was managing an account and she was like look i have all these problems i said do this this this sorted it out she then spoke to a diamond jeweler okay whose apartment she was renting in zhuhu okay i don't want to mention that guy's name right now for various reasons he called me okay overweight guy he said start working with me and stuff like that my fee was like 250 bucks 300 because i'm like trying to please people i want him to like me for what i do sorted him out next thing i was on a plane to belgium because the whole diamond community is there so this guy


because the whole diamond community is there so this guy luke he with gujarati food he helped me to lose weight so what if what went around he's not going to stop your cockroach and your dhoklas and stuff so i was put onto a flight to belgium and every single day meeting you know all of these diamond community people building understanding health all of that stuff so i got into that i didn't need money for that okay i didn't need money for that then i told my wife like you know i know you know i'm just gonna quit now and stuff like that damn we didn't even think about you know you're not gonna have a fixed salary this that whatever so i had no backup plan i had no backup plan i had vishal gondal on one side okay we were building an idea of goki and stuff like that he'd say yeah come i can afford 50 000 bucks right now esops and stuff like that you know so i just threw myself into it without thinking a month after


threw myself into it without thinking a month after that because i had more time i don't have a corporate job my clients increased and because people needed me more i started filtering on price so from 500 bucks i went to a thousand from thousand i went a 5 000 in three months i had gone up to about 25 000 bucks because i could filter it out i knew i was effective okay um i started building started traveling all of that stuff you know started saving more investing more you know learned the power of compounding at that point very late in life 35 35 36 so everyone says luke imagine if you did this earlier yeah i can imagine but now i'm going to imagine what i'm going to do in the next 35 years so i put a personal goal because a lot of my friends were already doing it from 24 i said in three years whatever they've compounded and made i'm going to make that in three years so then i have no regrets about what i should have done what's


no regrets about what i should have done what's the point it's gone i can't go back and change that but what if i make that amount now and compound that i'm still ahead of the game a little bit of competition is also good you know that's your michael jordan speaker why not i would do that and and i made it you know so then natasha we had we had tiana and stuff and i was very like you know i don't want this family model where the parents are working and the child is like whatever we had decided no nanny for the kids no nothing nothing she's chilled out i said work with me i said work with me you're a project manager manage this i don't understand excel i don't want to look at pnl all of that stuff she came on board started streamlining so i could just go to my coffee shop every day taj mahal people and consult and consult from morning to night she was managing the back end and stuff like that six months later we had to


and stuff like that six months later we had to hire a cfo because we had made a million dollars wow okay and we didn't even know she told me luke this is your account now we were like oh tax and this i was like you know sole proprietor no clue about it but moving with the flow so we got a cfo on board because we both didn't understand this was like suddenly something huge coming into your life and for me it was like no now what should we do i'm like what worked for me is what i should continue doing you know if we could make a million dollars of turnover in like seven to eight months this only means one thing you're doing it right so i told her that i need to continue doing this i can't get into hr this that can you build a team she said i'll build a team so i was in singapore when i hired my first nutritionist to then i was doing all the clients myself i was handling about 150 patients on whatsapp


myself i was handling about 150 patients on whatsapp every day with meetings going to town i used to go to people's houses you know the high profile people i mean today it's different they come to us but you know i saw a lot of time expenditure i was in singapore couldn't manage i called up interviewed a girl snare on my team hired her on board she started helping me out with patients and we just went with the flow we didn't have a business strategy we didn't have a vision there was one vision who comes to us send them with some value out of their life either we reduce their pain reduce their suffering or we take care of their problems three things even today that's our company vision reduce suffering reduce pain if we can put them in remission heal them great do that together by just focusing on the first two you achieve the third in most cases that's when our company vision so when the cfo came okay what's your five time plan i said i don't have


your five time plan i said i don't have a five term plan i have a 24 hour plan i have 15 patients tomorrow that's my plan and honestly ranvi there is no story when people project me today as an entrepreneur i'm not my only my only skill is what i do with my patients every single day and since i can't do that now training the rest of my team so i'm either consulting or am i at a training because i need to make like 30 40 50 looks now to handle the kind of pay that we have so i've never gotten involved with in business and all of these things i've stuck on my path i can easily project myself today as an entrepreneur i did this i followed this no i did what was my gift i used my gift and by using i'm gonna be i'm a huge believer of this you know all of us are given gifts in life everyone all of us if you don't use it it'll be taken away from you if you try you're


be taken away from you if you try you're given a gift but you try to be greedy and say i don't want this i want to take this and try to build this it's going to be taken away because everyone born is given a talent or some talents which if we're lucky to find and use it that is where the abundance comes from nothing else you think people don't have my knowledge there are people who are way more qualified in fact in my entire team i'm the least qualified i'm the least qualified in my team because i have registered dietitians i have all you know i have medical doctors i'm integrative lifestyle medicine okay now by the way we built an institute today we're now recognized by mumbai university we're teaching people our skill so the whole point is i don't have a story so when people say luke what's your success for me it is just be effective with what gift you have yeah so if i can be effective with a patient today that's what's building my business


with a patient today that's what's building my business every single day we've not marketed to today we don't have a marketing plan we don't do anything now i do know okay i can be smart i say for sale this is great okay but what if we do bring in marketing what if we do bring in structure strategy i said go ahead and do it build it i'm not going to do it i don't have an interest in it i don't have the bandwidth for it and i don't have the passion to do it you give me patience that's my passion so honestly again simplicity simplicity i don't have to feel that i don't have an mba how am i going to take this to the next level my wife is not an mba we bought like principal some months we've lost money big deal we look at the positives the other months before we make money okay now let's do it differently the next month and you'll have downs and ups and downs and ups we're okay with it


ups and downs and ups we're okay with it so i've not built a five-year plan like if you tell me my five-year plan right now is a thousand five hundred crore company ask me why because i have about 100 people in my team now who have grown with me if i get that valuation i can see myself in the maldives with them signing out million dollar checks to each of them and the money i have left over is enough for me to build my hospital with the rest of my life and stuff like that that's my five year plan if it happens happens doesn't happen we move on it's no big deal there's nothing to be attached to my self-worth isn't attached to that so i've honestly kept it simple that's the truth of my story i can make it sound complicated like i've done this and i've done this and thought strategically no the only strategy i have is what might what i do with my patients every patient is a strategy because they're different so


patients every patient is a strategy because they're different so that's my story in short really to be quite honest i'm i've not had struggles or if i have i know i'm not holding back anything i'm an open book i'm an open book when it comes to things made my mistakes all of that yes overcome certain fears i was a people pleaser when i started off because who's luke yo come come come i'll treat you free i want them to like me so they tell people but one lady told me that luke don't you have any self-worth i said what do you mean she's saying you're so good you don't value yourself to charge for your time change in a second she also complained three months later she said you moved from 25 000 to a lakh a month i said that's it she's like that's the way to do it because you're worth that much so she taught me a lesson by just asking me that simple question don't you value yourself so i'm not


simple question don't you value yourself so i'm not ashamed of what i do today i have content that has reversed people's thyroid diabetes free put people's cancers and remission free and i have people who want my time pay for it it's a model that doesn't make me feel guilty at all so that's the path right now toughness and providence man absolutely and belief you can't have other people shoot you know how many people shot down my plan oh look there'll be uh there'll be an economic meltdown you're in a service business you should have products what's going to happen and stuff like that for me i said you should do a market research i said this is my market research look at the amount of mcdonald's dunkin donuts opening up all around i know i'm going to be in business for the next 10 years period that's my business plan and it's working you know so intelligent intuition because i can't understand anything more complicated than that there's a few people i've met in