life okay and people pretend that oh YouTube is a neutral platform or Instagram is a neutral platform it's the same as saying that you know Tick Tock is a neutral platform and when due to Banned Me ban multiple videos we have made many videos about this people always say why don't you just publish your own app you can put your own app right and call it Praveen Mohan you can put all the videos there it sounds pretty reasonable right but I think this is wrong right and I'll tell you why right I'll tell you why we're here sitting today right but we're talking you and I are you know just exchanging information now cameras are recording this right Canon cameras are recording this right and then what will happen to those files right so they they take this uh these files right and they put it in a computer they'll use maybe HP or Dell they'll put in the computer uh maybe if you guys have a Mac uh you'll put it in mac and then you'll use operating system like


in mac and then you'll use operating system like Windows or you know you know map apple and then you will edit this using Adobe Premiere Pro or Final Cut Pro right and you basically take this information and then you post it on YouTube you post it on Instagram uh you posted on Facebook and maybe you you don't post it on Facebook right you don't post it you don't post the videos on Twitter you just spread you just share it on Twitter right and then you use WhatsApp to share that information none of the companies I mentioned or in India did you realize that did you know that starting from Canon HP Dell um Adobe Premiere Pro windows starting from social media YouTube Twitter Instagram none of them none of zero they're from India they're not these companies are not made in India you understand and that includes WhatsApp and everything and this is a big Pro and when people ask me a question like why don't you just make an app where will I where will you download this app from you have to download it in Google


this app from you have to download it in Google Play Store they can ban me there you can download it from Apple Store they can ban me there does India have any indigenous technology that we can safely depend on think about that right this is a huge problem and we know AI is going to be used as a weapon it's also an opportunity though some capitalistic opportunity for an Indian company to start operating system of course it should right now we are at the brink of a huge problem right think about that India does not have its own technology at least China has to talk China has like Baidu you know what happened when Russia and Ukraine started fighting what do you know there was a channel called RT Russia today this is a News Channel owned by Russia right and it simply reports its side of the story right it has to say that channel is gone that channel is banned from YouTube the channel is banned from Facebook so what happens if India gets into a war with some country right so let's


gets into a war with some country right so let's say India gets into war with Pakistan what happens so who chooses what people hear do you know I got an email from YouTube I can I can send you that email if you want I don't know if you got an email from YouTube did you it that email specifically said you cannot take the side of Russia and make videos about that if you do that those videos will be demonetized and your channel can be banned I think I got that email only because I started my channel in us I was living in the US and I started that channel but that email is crystal clear that says openly states that you cannot take the position supporting Russia you only have to support the United States so what happens if India gets into a war with Pakistan right and let's say the U.S supports Pakistan you don't have anything to tell your side of the story you understand so India does not have a a basic level of technology and you know this propaganda is half


of technology and you know this propaganda is half the war it's not just of course India is a nuclear power it has a great Army and I'm sure you know everything will turn out well but we have to know that propaganda is half that war right does is India equipped no right and we know AI is going to be a web it's going to be the biggest weapon ever so that's and that's what I'm saying so we have to kind of position ourselves and we need to start this kind of Technology of course it can be a great opportunity for some people to start this right group of Indian entrepreneurs yeah I have a lot of thoughts to share there yeah but I feel this the same thought and ideas going to evolve because there's too much happening in the world of geopolitics right now like it's deeply unpredictable what's going to happen uh so even if we have us the same conversation a year from now either we'll have more clarity in the same direction yes or something


have more clarity in the same direction yes or something else or we'll be you know how you used India as an example maybe Pakistan will be that country which will be facing the Brunt maybe yeah yeah Praveen Mohan this was an intense couple of episodes uh not done unpacking you I feel this is 10 of what you have to share but it was good to get to know you and I now get why you're the most requested guest we've had uh on the show I thank you and I hope that you had fun uh speaking today thank you for having me ranveer and thank you to all of you for watching this stuff uh I hope it was interesting to you and uh thanks for having me it was it was a blast I had absolute fun working with you and you know all your people yeah we gotta do one more the next time you're in Bombay um any signing of notes for these two episodes where you've kind of encapsulated all these Darkness melting ideas now [Laughter] at


all these Darkness melting ideas now [Laughter] at the moment thank you that was the episode for today there's some guests that I meet through the show where I just feel a lot of gratitude that life has made our paths cross one another definitely Praveen says one of those guests of course we're going to have him back on the show lots of mind-bending anecdotes were shared on this one right I'd love to know from you guys what y'all would like us to cover in our next conversation because I'm sure that Praveen Mohan is going to be back on the ranveer show we're gonna have conversations just like this and for more conversations like this make sure you follow us on Spotify every episodes available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world thanks for listening in make sure you download level super mind the link is given down below all I want to say is that I love my job especially at this stage where we have so many guests writing in so many


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I could feel my soul passing out and I knew that you know I'm dying and even in the dream my mind was telling me two things either you are going going to go into uh nothingness or you are going to go into the next life while the whole world talks about good and bad you know dualities here we don't have a duality we have a priority where you kind of do need a sense of humility in yourself to know that as a human being there are unknown unknowns you don't even know what you don't know what you don't know because she's from that older generation when I started writing these stories and I told her look this is a story you told me when I was a kid something and she was like no no hurry don't write all these things because when you write about a yakshi you will actually secretly invoke her and she'll cling onto you so again it's it's a concept we're all misappropriating a lot of things so today actually so yakshini is


lot of things so today actually so yakshini is become yakshis which are equivalent of chudails and today how do we use a tutel like a Gali like a cuss word uh if you have someone a relative whom you don't like if she's a woman the mother and the Mother-in-law will call her chudail and vice versa everybody loves a fantastic horror themed episode of the ranveer show that's what we have for you today horror episodes of TRS are often highly requested highly discussed by the audience because they are mind-bending is a horror author he's also an established writer in this episode I've tried to extract all the Paranormal experiences from his life what led him to becoming a horror writer I feel anyone who creates horror content has had a past in either thinking about or dealing with the Paranormal in some capacity we brought up kantara we brought up possession we brought up ghosts on this particular episode and if you're someone who


on this particular episode and if you're someone who enjoys these horror episodes of TRS make sure you follow the runway show on Spotify or Spotify exclusive every episode of the RMV shows available 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world before I let you slip into this episode as with any of our paranormal themed episodes I want to mention that my intention is not to add Darkness to your life I add negativity to your life but my intention is to spread knowledge about these Concepts so that we can move towards the light learn more about the darkness you can move towards the light whenever we've had a discussion about the Paranormal the guest has always spoken about how meditation prayer Faith these are elements that help counter the effects of the Paranormal I don't know how true that is but what I do know is that meditation has helped me in countless tangible and intangible ways everything that I know about meditation now exists in our health app level super mind so whether


exists in our health app level super mind so whether you're a beginner an intermediate or an advanced level practitioner of meditation I promise you you will enjoy level give it a try download it you'll earn yourself a one week free trial if you download it from the link given down below and for now I will let you slip into this paranormal special of the randeep show [Music] welcome to the special horror episode of the ranvi show thank you so much for having me here how did you choose to become a horror screenwriter you would have had some experiences that led you there because this is not an everyday job uh I never thought I'll be a horror writer okay so the first book happened because of something that I saw in my dream blended with my own personal experience and then whatever I could imagine and you know make it and all those things the book was a hit but again I hadn't completely ventured into horror there was a horror element right and that itself was


was a horror element right and that itself was kind of inspired from something which happened to me when I was a child a couple of things that have happened to him which are very weird again uh I'm not taking that guarantee key this is horror or this is a ghost or a spirit but then those who want to believe they can believe it because it's kind of creepy so one of the experience that I'll tell you [Music] I was uh I think 506 or something I was in Kerala at that time so until age of six I was in Kerala and from after six I we we my dad got transferred to Delhi gurgaon and then that's where I was brought up so I was five or six or something and we lived in a small village kind of a place near the sea uh in kannur I think yeah so kannur is very famous for all these uh Legends and ethems and all those things like what if you're in kantara yeah we'll come


what if you're in kantara yeah we'll come to that okay I'd really like to talk about the bhutas and all those things because bhutas are not to be considered as ghosts okay and that's something I'd like to clarify so uh in kannur it's very popular to see all these scary transforms and storytelling forms these are basically storytelling Traditions they're not dances they're storytelling traditions so I think my one day my dad used to take me on a scooter to the Milkman to get the milk at you know very early in the morning around 5 or 5 30 or something every morning that was our routine one day he took me to the uh there was this under construction building that was there at that time and he had to uh he left me there for five minutes he said I'll come I don't know where he went you maybe he went for a smoke or something I was standing there and then there was this uh primitive lift you know that you use in this under


primitive lift you know that you use in this under construction buildings I stood there there was this guy who was calling me he said I'll show you the top of a view from the top and all I went there as a kid I went with the guy and he took me up he showed me the view from that place it was it was spectacular early morning sunrise and everything I saw then I came down and then by the time I was down my dad came you know okay he didn't even realize that you know I had gone and I told him that I met this Uncle he took me uh up and showed me the sunrise it was very beautiful which Uncle what uncle an uncle who operates a lift and then he got scared naturally for a parent it's you're going your child is going with a stranger he inquired from the nearby people from the pan from the uh the panwala and the Milkman and all those things they said yeah they used to be this guy used


they said yeah they used to be this guy used to operate a he wasn't an operator of lifts he was a worker or something he had fallen from the left had died so I mean they still believe that I never went up because a child cannot operate that but did you feel creepy at all no just normal normal but the thing is I usually don't go near strangers but that day is something I mean there was no candy there was no freaky in the hand or anything I just went what your dad said about it he still thinks I never went anywhere I was feeling sleepy I must have dozed off and cooked up the entire thing maybe I dreamed of it again then I can see that that's what I said throughout my life dreams have been very uh have had a big role to play in my life I mean that's what I like to believe now as a grown-up as someone who would like to have a rational viewer look at things but again as a child you know


look at things but again as a child you know you are still adamant no no I saw the uncle I saw the uncle yeah so that was one incident and why do you think as a grown-up we should always have a rational view of things because that helps you move on in life but don't you think it also limits your entire perception of what reality could be reality is not what we perceive it's what we believe so there's this famous saying tatva masi if you go to shabarimala in Kerala it's written there you become that so this is my belief okay at the time of death whatever you are believing in you become that it's open to interpretation somebody else can interpret something else but this is what I believe so this again came to me through a dream uh I don't know I mean I was having a very bad dream once this dream was about being chased by some weird creature one big horn it was not a rhinoceros it had elephant-like ears


was not a rhinoceros it had elephant-like ears but again it was not a rhinoceros it had Thorns all over its body it was chasing me through a narrow Lane I mean it was not even a lane both sides there was water and inside the water there was like these black serpents and I was just running and these black serpents were reminiscent of the Vikram ethal stories in chandamana that was a magazine that my mother used to read me from as a kid because I couldn't read till the age of eight uh so those pictures were very Vivid and I was running running running running and this this dream happened some four or five years back and eventually I came to a point where these things stabs me with its home and I I could literally feel it I could feel my heart you know uh heartbeat going up it was like you were in the dream and that's the reality right and then it's the moment it peers through my this thing bones I could feel


it peers through my this thing bones I could feel my soul passing out and I knew that you know I'm dying and I was afraid what's going to happen next and even in the dream my mind was telling me two things either you are going going to go into uh you know nothingness or you are going to go into the next life and you won't believe what happened next I open my eyes so from that day onwards I started believing in the possibility that we are perhaps Living in a Dream and at the time of death or after death you're going to wake up in another life because you're part of somebody else's team [Music] yeah which is a possibility it could be because that is what happened in that dream and since then I've been very because that dream was so convincingly realistic for me that I have started believing that this is very much a possibility the moment this life ends you're going to wake up in another shell or another person or another Jiva or


in another shell or another person or another Jiva or your real form a real form but what after that what about the form beyond that form because that is that form is also going to wake up someday right or die someday how old are you bro I'm 32. okay last one okay we're almost the same age um 93 won okay uh I feel our whole bracket of human beings and a lot of them are listeners of the show right are trying to figure these same questions because they say that once you get out of your 20s or once you're about to exit your twenties you become much more existential because your quarter life crisis has hit exactly yeah Etc and Everyone by default turns to either spirituality and spiritual thought which encapsulates all these Eckhart toll books all these Western philosophers as well as Indian philosophers or you turn to religion your own religion if you are Muslim you don't know Islam Christians don't do Christianity Hindus down to Hinduism etc etc uh through


Hindus down to Hinduism etc etc uh through this show I've tried figuring the same existential questions often by asking the dark stuff okay uh we had a tantric recently on the show and it was very eloquent his name was rajashi nandi I asked them all sorts of questions and I've asked these same questions to countless people before him and everyone's given their versions of their answers this guy gave very sharp precise answers like I felt like it was the first time I was talking to someone who truly knew the dark arts okay and uh he knew it with so much detail and width that I actually would like to believe the kind of things he said so again he said that the goal of life is I mean I'm comparing it to a video game but you know in video games where you collect coins in the same way supposed to collect like Good Karma okay now good karma definitely happens when you are kind when you're a pure person when you're honest uh there


you're a pure person when you're honest uh there are quicker ways to collect Good Karma and those quicker ways are all these spiritual practices which in Islam is deeper namas and Christianity would be deeper prayers and in Hinduism it's deeper meditations deeper sadness as they call it which are disciplines um and if you collect a lot of it you progress down that karmic path up that karmic path up to a certain point where you cross a threshold and after the threshold is where you've kind of got Nirvana or moksh or in tundra they say the deity comes and joins you entirely yeah uh now Hinduism is all about climbing up that ladder all forms of Hinduism Jainism Buddhism even sexism I feel about climbing up that ladder any Indian religion uh Hinduism parallely also says that you can choose your method to climb so you can like walk up the ladder you can run up the ladder or you can Sprint up the


up the ladder or you can Sprint up the ladder and the sprinting happens through things like Tantra you know these practices these uh theories these disciplines these kind of meditations are much quicker so it it kind of just shed light on this whole concept of birth and death for me now apparently I'm 29 uh definitely my material life is building itself up I'm also creative professional just like you and I strongly believe that creativity is never your own it's given to you and you pull it out of like a higher right do you believe it uh bring brings the thought of Muses in my head okay Muses they keep you know working all around you can see it you can see them you cannot see them but they keep throwing these ideas you know yeah and if you're able to grasp it and even if you're able to grasp it if you're able to produce or procreate whatever that you're doing through your art form then you're using it yeah I believe some creativity is your own


it yeah I believe some creativity is your own uh you know in terms of when you're throwing it out the door but when you're in a state of flow and you're writing something you don't know how these words and thoughts are coming out of you that's not your own again whatever you write whatever you create it comes from some kind of an influence of what you have seen what you have learned in your life what you've picked up with from your experience from the knowledge you have it's very difficult to create unless you don't know I mean know about it what you're creating so if somebody is doing something out of the box and you are saying it's original then that's really magical because there is nothing that's original at least not in in the time that we are you know we are existing not kaliyu guys in so many things have been done you know it's okay like art forms if I am talking about horror the ghost stories that that's what I'm talking about if it's a


that's what I'm talking about if it's a horror films it will have some kind of it's all creation it's all art it's coming from somewhere if it's coming from my mind it's coming because of some personal experiences plus things that I've seen or read before so that's what I'm trying to say if somebody says I mean there is nothing original yeah it's always going to be influenced okay you mentioned in a previous answer and you said you had a lot to say about that and we had a guest yesterday as well uh an archaeologist from Goa okay uh and she says that even she's seen things like that in her Village and uh you know it was a very a deep experience that they've shown the movie and this is present all over the Western coastal line where deities uh possess people and then become uh Messengers from higher realms so we have things like in Kerala we call them there is Oracles same logic same logic you've got teams you've got uh uh bhutas so


you've got teams you've got uh uh bhutas so kantara basically it's based on Botha Cola and the bhuta bhuta is not ghosts the moment I say bhutakola somewhere people suddenly related with ghosts oh are these ghosts are these demons no no no they are not so so I Nate my ancestors they come from this part of the country the South Canada region Udupi Mangalore this region and this place is full of rajputas and people still worship these bhutas just like people in Kerala worship serpents right so bhutas are nothing but spirits it could be spirits of Heroes of Warriors it could be uh it could be an animal like panjurli bhuta panjurli bhuta is so in ancient and in olden times Farmers used to I mean their crops were destroyed by boars wild pigs what do you call I mean you call them varaha I mean that's the Avatar of Vishnu that's the wild boar with the horn and all they would come and destroy these


the horn and all they would come and destroy these crops and these poor Farmers they had no other option but to start praying to a deity which is like a king of these boars so that's how they started praying and giving you know offering things and all those things to protect them from these boards so that these bows won't come and destroy the crops that's how this concept of panjuli bhuta was born again this is something that somebody has said we don't know how it originated but panjurli bhuta is what you see in kantara and people there worship that and the spirit is said to come inside the body of this medium that person is a medium who's going to dance the cola is dance Buddha is the spirit it's not a ghost it's this Forest Spirit it could be the spirit of a warrior so there are other bhutas like there's a Buddha called and we as South Canada people we kind of give a lot of respect we won't even uh I won't take the


respect we won't even uh I won't take the name of a Buddha wearing a slipper that's the kind of respect people from that region give so there is uh it's a it's a like the name so that it's a god it's a spirit of truth but uh often people forget to worship these bhutas or deities and what uh does is uh suddenly you know out of the blue when everything is happening you know in the family everything is all right perfect someone will lose some kind of an ornament and you'll try to find it everywhere you won't find it and that moment somebody will say like a grandmother or you know some the older generation people they would remind you you forgot go and you know light a lamp for saty devatha do on the mascara and come and the moment you do it you'll find the jewelry maybe in the pocket or beside the bedside and people say they claim that they had searched it there before worshiping uh you know but they couldn't find


before worshiping uh you know but they couldn't find it and suddenly it's there after the just one simple namaskar and it's there so these are the beliefs that those people have I mean those people means we also have that I was brought up in the city away from all this so for me it's very difficult to take that leap of faith but I still believe in all those things I still get goosebumps when I listen to stories because the city also has a way of like making a slightly more westernized almost westernized and see the Buddha that I'm talking about these happen in hullis hallease is basically hamlet in kannada is a hamlet a small village and like my wife's uh ancestral home is in a Hurley my wife comes from tulunado Udupi so we are from Kerala I mean my wife is from South Canada proper South Canada and her house is in the middle of Ali and that was my first experience of uh of a typical Indian isolated ghostly


experience of uh of a typical Indian isolated ghostly kind of a place because Kerala there are no Villages the concept of Village is gone in Kerala it's almost modernized they're like little towns right everybody is educated you know life is fast moving and everything but in Karnataka in this particularly you you know life is very sluggish it's very slow people still believe in all those old rituals and myths and beliefs have you ever seen a possession foreign I've seen these dances where uh they dance to they get possessed and they start dancing and then they uh they tell future or they recollect things from the past like I remember uh there was some dispute that was happening some property dispute and you know and then there was this uh this Oracle was called in and the Oracle consumed some thing and then started doing all this vibrating and shivering and then they started dancing and suddenly there was this goddess inside that Oracle and he started saying you know your dad was the one


he started saying you know your dad was the one who stole that document and he has kept it from this uh other son so that is why he is not able to get the property so you don't have the right on his property and then they searched and they got that document and his father had passed away long years a long time ago you saw this with your own eyes yeah I was there how does it I didn't see whether they got the document or not but I've seen this position thing happening and later on then you know they say they told me that you know this is what happened afterwards they went home they kept searching and it took like seven or eight days and they finally found the document or something like that was there an energy around the Oracle that's what we would like to believe see again that comes from the concept that and there is energy within us which is what I said that Atman The Prana uh it's it's Prana which goes inside the jivatman


it's Prana which goes inside the jivatman jivatman is the Atma in layman's in the soul Prana is the breath which is keeping us alive so that's energy so there should be energy all around us which we cannot perceive right now and that's where you go to the concept of pratas you go towards bhutas all those things we cannot perceive with our sense organs that's why you need an extra sensory perception or something like that to understand yeah how do you explain things like that where an oracle comes in gets possessed and then tells you the accurate truth and the truth is validated by reality so have you heard of Narendra dabulkar no he was a rationalist who uh who tried to disprove everything that was Supernatural or paranormal you know all these beliefs and myths so he came up with with the explanation that whatever is happening to that Oracle law to these transforms or whatever it is or even a tantric it's a dissociation as in those


tantric it's a dissociation as in those people have gone crazy not crazy the crazy will be a very bad allegation they are dissociated from their bodies from their self and they're taking up another personality and so it could be the personality of daddy who must have lived long time back so they must have heard or seen them in their childhood and now they are becoming that person based on what they know it's all there in your head it's in the deeper areas of your brains and you are just becoming that but you are not aware so that's what he he's a nationalist so that's his explanation and someone who believes in psychic mediums and Tantra would claim that that that person has been possessed by the ghost of the grandmother who died or whatever or a deity or a deity and someone who's somewhere in between would like to believe someone who's educated you know like physics or engineering kind of a background he would like to believe that it is energy because


he would like to believe that it is energy because you know when when see the body if it's alive it has an energy right and the moment you die there's something that's leaving your body so if it's energy even this Atma if it's an energy it's out there and according to our traditions for the next 12 days after death that energy is around you as an Atma as a prey Fatma Newton's third law sorry Newtons thermodynamics thermodynamics I'm so sorry that energy cannot be destroyed and all those things see again that's uh that's that's what I said physics engineering we are educated that way so we are kind of being rooted to think that way so prove this exists all of us or at least a branch of scientists need to sit down with the tantrix and get proper devices and proper controlled experiments but it's going to take a long time because we do our science is not that developed our intellect is not that developed to prove its existence at least not till now but if


prove its existence at least not till now but if you still want to believe that something else can also exist but it's not proved till now then keep an open mind a friend of mine brought up a very interesting ancient Indian concept okay uh so India and all its ancient religions talk about these three things they talk about gyaat which is the known knowns agyat which is the known unknowns and again which is the unknown unknowns okay and that's a new one yeah but while the whole world talks about good and bad uh you know dualities here we don't have a duality we have a priority where you kind of do need a sense of humility in yourself to know that as a human being there are unknown unknowns you don't even know what you don't know what you don't know uh and that's thought of again uh has been reinstated in my head through the podcast and through the people I meet because I get to meet Special Forces Armed Forces Personnel I get to meet


Forces Armed Forces Personnel I get to meet tantrix I get to meet scientists and the best Minds the ones that retain the most information are always the same ones who are open because they've accumulated so much information that they've realized oh there must be stuff even beyond all this that's just the nature of information often you know people with uh not that much experience not that much true knowledge who immediately said no this doesn't exist and unless it's there's evidence around it I'm not gonna believe it okay don't believe in it but you're also limiting your own possibility and it is a sign of human arrogance it's like saying that we are the only species in the entire universe the phase of content that I'm in right now uh I'm very fascinated by horror I'm very fascinated by darker stories and I'm enjoying myself writing these they're being received well by the audiences but I definitely feel I'm attracting some negative energies into my life because of uh writing


some negative energies into my life because of uh writing these things do you feel that as a creative professional that when you write about horror when you write about these things you're actually pulling those things closer to you so I'll tell you something which my grandmother once told me so my grandmother is um she's my uh she's the first Storyteller in my life she is the one who inspired me to kind of you know uh Embrace horror because she used to tell me stories about yakshis and prisachas and dakinis and all those supernatural beings as a kid she was the one who used to tell me stories and even till her death which happened just two months ago she used to tell me these stories and she was an amazing Storyteller okay and when she realized that I'm writing horror so like I said my first book wasn't horror horror it was the second book onwards which became horror my grandmother started telling me I mean even in India's most Wanted


telling me I mean even in India's most Wanted there's this the first story is about is a reinterpretation of a story that my Dadi told me about a yakshi that lived in our village or I mean in that vicinity what is a yakshi yakshi is a supernatural being so yakshi is is a corrupted form of vyakshini so yakshini hakini sakini they're all forms of goddesses like an evil goddess no see that's where our entire culture is being thrown into all these wrong uh they're getting these wrong ideas they're not equal forces the fears their forces of these of the Devi so if you're worshiping David then you're worse then it's a positive aspect if you are afraid of the Devi then they are all negative aspects so see this is something that a philosopher or a or a preacher would be able to tell you but basically like they're like yogini you've got dakini sakini uh hakini and you've got uh actually so


uh hakini and you've got uh actually so yakshinis they are Celestial beings they grant wishes if you worship them there are 36 types of reactions they grant you all these wishes and depending on their rajasthamas and satwik yakshini so the different types of reaction is and for the kind of um fulfillment you want you approach that particular actually so the corrupted form is a yakshi so Kerala in Kerala if you say yakshi it's a very negative being why corrupted and how corrupted corrupted by popular culture from the past pop culture is not just what's happening now in the 80s a pop culture or something else right so back in the time like when women were uh exploited sexually where women didn't have the power where the society was driven by men and every you know women were Shackled the moment the husband passes away the women has no right over anything she's just a he's thrown to a you know in a corner of the house during those times when many


a corner of the house during those times when many women were exploited and some of them were even killed when they threatened to tell the world what they have been through so in order to demonify such a women or women who took the liberty to you know open up they were demonized as yakshis they were killed it's like Witch Hunt it's like clipping the wings of someone who's trying to you know come out so a lot of women were wronged uh many women got pregnant you know outside their marriage or you know from somebody else and then they uh these women were killed and it's that guilt you know in that man which took the form of a yaksi this is what I believe it's aside from a psychological point of view it's a guilt of a man who wronged a woman or who killed a woman after cheating her or whatever expertise and he did that guilt takes the form of a yakshi that's coming after him okay this is what a rational


coming after him okay this is what a rational explanation would be like but at that time it wasn't like this they used to believe that you know this woman has come back as a yakshi in Hindi a very simple analogy will be chudail which children okay so again it's it's a concept we're all misappropriating a lot of things become yakshis which are equivalent of churells and children how do we use a chudail like a Gali like a cuss word uh if you have someone a relative whom you don't like if she's a woman the mother and mother-in-law will call her chudail and vice versa right so it's a demonification it's a very wrong misappropriation and yakshinis who was supposed to be deities they became yakshis so these are women who uh you know you ask for a lift on the empty you know isolated highways you know they prey on men because they need their virility their blood to keep themselves Young so it's very equivalent


to keep themselves Young so it's very equivalent of chudails but actually axis there's something else so my uh Daddy coming back to the question that you asked is very uh you can say superstitutions because he's from that older generation when I started writing these stories and I told her look this is a story you told me when I was a kid and this is now published it's a and a lot of people have loved that sorry there's been some PhD research on Indian Gothic uh literature and this particular story was taken up by this professors and I shown all these things to her this was last year or something and she was like no no no hurry don't write all these things because when you write about a yakshi you will actually secretly invoke her and she'll cling on to you yeah I'm getting Goosebumps yeah dude same and trust me you feel that when you're writing when you're writing about a uh yakshi and right now I'm writing about a dakini so but I


now I'm writing about a dakini so but I am not righting wrong about it that's the difference because when my Dadi tells me a story of a yakshi it's about a yaksi who's bad because it's coming from that male point of view anybody can disagree with me I'm okay with that because this is what I strongly believe you know it was a society where the narrative was being was male driven so the exes females they were bad in today's date I mean my stories at least I am trying a different approach I am trying to write why they became a yakshi why they became a dakini what was the what were the forces which drove them to that so I believe that even if I am if there is if I'm writing about yakshi and there's an energy of the yakshi around me I don't think I am I'm in danger not in danger I'm not irritating her or I'm not in making her angry because I'm trying to write what


making her angry because I'm trying to write what might have been right and I'm sure that most of the yaksis if they exist they were they were most of them they were wronged by men or by the society at that time and I strongly believe that because even in today's date there are villages there are places in almost an entire world there are places where women are killed because they are suspected of being witches or [ __ ] or yakshis it's happening even to this state and you can even just make a Google search you will find a lot of news reports all over the world all over the world let's not let's just confine ourselves to India you'll find plenty of plenty of news items especially in these remote villages because there's no education and they don't want to you know let you know they're just oppressing a particular gender so anyway what's the scariest experience of your life okay this might sound very funny uh again there were some dreams involved


very funny uh again there were some dreams involved in this there's not a ghostly experience that will come to later okay this is an experience which kind of made me I mean [ __ ] my pants I mean not literally but it's okay even with literal but uh that is a only metaphor I could come up with right now because even thinking about it makes me uh sweat so uh like I said throughout my life dreams have played a very important role so I kept getting these uh so when I was a child I had once fallen into a uh this thing uh a small tank of water so that was a very I don't remember exactly what happened I was three or four years old I just remember falling and you know falling backwards and then the the smell that you know when water touches your lungs there's a smell that comes I remember that that's all okay but I would say if nothing happened and uh when I was working in gurgaon as an engineer I.T professional


working in gurgaon as an engineer I.T professional uh I had to take elevators so elevators I used to take elevators at that time I had no issues with that then one fine day I think then I was working in Bombay as well in Bombay also I was taking elevators no issues no issues and suddenly one day I started getting a weird dream where I'm stuck in an elevator and the lights have gone out and you know we can't I'm pressing this buttons but the emergency Bell won't go the phone there that's there the intercom that's not working and I'm stuck there in that darkness and that was a very scary dream and it that kept on happening for the next three four months I was ignoring it every day I was going to the office I was using the lift and then one find a dream stopped coming I was happy hello everything is fine then I think this was during Diwali or something Diwali of 2017 to 2016. I joined a new office and


2017 to 2016. I joined a new office and that was in chandivali okay and there was this building called Boomerang building um so I I went to the office like a normal day I went up went down no problem one day I was I had gone for a lunch break so I didn't bring my lunch so I'd gone outside to eat and then I was coming back I was alone in that elevator I pressed this thing and it started moving up and suddenly there was a zoom stopped and it stopped the moment it stopped I wasn't tense or anything I was like okay it will start it didn't start two minutes three minutes didn't start now he's getting a little nervous then I the light started flickering so now it was kind of reminiscent of the that dream which was recurring before that then I was like okay and then I pressed the emergency button there was no sound nothing when you were alone in the lift I was alone in the left and then I took the intercom that


in the left and then I took the intercom that wasn't working and I mean I'm getting some those for 10 minutes I didn't know what to do the light went off it was dark I had a phone luckily there was a point of network that kind of came in I immediately called my manager and I told him look I'm stuck in a lift he couldn't hear my voice my voice was breaking because I was inside the elevator but he got the message I was even sending SOS messages we got the message and he contacted the security and they were all working on that and because it was a lunchtime and it was I think on a Saturday or something there were not many people going up and down so maybe that's why they didn't even take notice of this particular lift that was stuck I was inside the left for 20 25 minutes in that darkness and trust me it was worse than the climax of interstellar where we get stuck in that Fifth Dimension and since then I picked up this


that Fifth Dimension and since then I picked up this very bad claustrophobia and again it was like those dreams were warning me don't go don't go don't go but nothing was happening but this finally happened but since then I've tried a lot of times to overcome that fear and I tried I tried once I was here in Andheri I had to go meet a meet someone I'm a producer or someone and his apartment was on the 15th floor I didn't want to climb 15 floors at that time this was two years back or something this was after that incident 2018 or something so I asked one of the 80s to you know come down you come with me you come with me he came and we were going up we said what happened no I'm a little I had I was I was once stuck in a lift so I couldn't I can't take this anymore who was there and suddenly on the 13th floor it stopped 13th or 12th I mean for a fact


stopped 13th or 12th I mean for a fact you can put 13 but uh I was stuck there but this was like a for four or five minutes but again the same bad feeling started cropping and I was like I was literally shivering and I was perspiring I was palpitating and and this idiot was with me he was jumping in that he was trying to open the door and he did he opened it wow that's how he came out after that this next two three times I visited that guy's office I climbed the stairs your molding reality dude and that's what's happened and every time and even recently this is as recent as 2021 February we were in a hospital and my wife had to there was some complications there so we had to go to the uh maternity War it was on the eighth floor and since my wife was in a very bad condition I decided to go with her so that she doesn't take stress because otherwise I always take status even at my in my


otherwise I always take status even at my in my apartment it's on seventh floor every day I take six stairs so here so that she doesn't take any stress I decided to go in the lift that's the sacrifice you make for your loved ones and she was in her own attention and stress on third floor the left stopped and there was this nurse behind me she said and that's when I realized my God I'm stuck and but luckily that lift opened in like one or two minutes and I just ran out and I never took the lift again every day I was going up and down on the staircase even now today here also he took the stage but that's something which has stayed on with me this is not hotter horror but every time I decide to take a lift that lift breaks down like in my apartment itself every time you know my wife or somebody she counsels me you know go go go and okay how's my lunga lift but then that day itself somebody will


lunga lift but then that day itself somebody will go and get stuck in there one attracts what they fear probably or maybe there are energies energies That You Don't See which are trying to warn you don't go inside because that's also a possibility like you said there are muses that throw art into your head ideas into your head that also Muses that through warnings warnings and this could be praetas this could be bhutas this could be muses or this could be just pure energy I'm curious to know why all these energies are drawn to you I know that they're drawn to me now probably because of thinking so much about it and meeting such people asking them for the sake of content and it's a very conscious decision that I've stepped into uh but what about you dude since your childhood you've been experiencing these things okay so here I'll bring a bring in a little bit of astrology do you believe in astrology uh I am learning about it through the show okay uh so I'm


learning about it through the show okay uh so I'm not a complete skeptic uh and my core belief is that as astrological charts are probably real but they can be changed through meditation prayer willpower these things but what do you uh say so it's based on kundali right yeah yeah the kundali is basically the time of birth the latitude longitude right so if a person is born somewhere like where were you born Mumbai exactly where uh do you remember the hospital's name if another person was born on the exact same moment as you would you have the same Kundalini no would you have the same Future No that's where my mind kind of gets okay so is this even real so again I'm in that phase where I'm not embracing it but I'm not giving up either okay because I've had experiences which kind of question the whole this is all Bs people share that with you I I think um from what I understood from BK Shivani who was on the show he said that the astrological chart


was on the show he said that the astrological chart gives you a sort of a road map based on your karma still that point but that till that point is just your birth once you are born you start accumulating new karmas new samskaras as she called it which is emotional Tendencies which you get from family from Life Experiences Etc so your astrological chart actually molds itself through life based on your action on what you it's like a role-playing game yeah so this is the beginning This Is the End but the route you take depends on what you're going to choose the Milestones like I said this Milestone from here either you go there or you go there so all your actions it's only action that's karma so this was 2017 the year when my parents were pressuring me to get married and I wasn't kind of I don't know I mean I'd gone to see a few girls and it was arranged marriage and it was all looking okay but something prevented me from taking the next


looking okay but something prevented me from taking the next step my parents were very my especially my mother you know how moms are my mother was very worried why is he like this why is he like this so she went to an astrologer and she met him she was convinced that he's a good astrologer in my Village only and I was working here in Bombay and I was actually planning to quit my job because I got my first film at that time which was again a horror film it's all interconnected you'll see how so the I quit my job and I was going to tell my mom that hey Mom I quit my job because I got a film it's with a big director which again was my when I was a kid I wanted to work with him okay because that was the first movie I saw it's his movie that I saw which was again a supernatural movie are you comfortable talking about yeah which movie you know it's Yoda okay by Sangeet Shivan okay so he's a


okay by Sangeet Shivan okay so he's a Malayalam filmmaker he's done Hindi films and and uh those are the Hindi films that he did but the Malayalam film which remains his master palettes Yoda and as a kid that was the first film my parents took me to watch so I was three years old or something 92 year before you were born and I don't remember anything but that was what my mother tells me that this was the first film useful in a theater so but then I watched the film later whenever it came on TV or something but I always wanted this thing I was like I was felt close to him close to him but eventually I and I ended up working with him I don't know how even he speaks about that hurry I don't know how this Destiny is connected there was no way that I would have worked with him but it happened even my Hindi debut was with him Brahm that was also directed by him so anyway coming back to this


directed by him so anyway coming back to this astrology thing so I had quit my job I was coming back to Kerala and I was like until then wherever I went I mean for seeing the girls and all for Alliance and all I was a corporate guy I was working with the I.T and this thing now I was in a different field I was stepping I was I took that detour from that normal convenient life this was a detour that I was taking probably to fulfill that Destiny I don't know a lot of unsented uncertainties were there at that time I went to Kerala and I was like I told my mom I quit my job I got my first film I'm working on the screenplay and I'll be in and the place where the shooting was happening was called haripad so my mother was all freaked out he was like are you crazy quit your job why would you do that I mean this that this that you could have continued writing you know with the job that


could have continued writing you know with the job that no I want I want to make films you know I'm getting to work with my role model this is a chancellor of my lifetime and she was pretty worried so that's how she went to this astrologer so now there were two problems you have quote your job and the marriage thing because astrologer he said a lot of things and she was very convinced that he had this ability to tell the or at least grab the truths she called me and then I told told her don't tell him my real name because if he makes a search by at that time I'd only written two books so even despite of that if you make a search you will get all the information at least from social media right I told him I told her don't tell him my name I don't want him to know anything about me let him guess I was a skeptic I went there he didn't know my name he just had my kundali and he started so in


just had my kundali and he started so in Kerala we have this shells Kong shells that you kind of put it on a small chart and you know he meditated and then he started talking about me and he said this is your path okay and I had written only two books till then first book was not a horror second book was horror he said something your life will be revolving around ghosts Undead the other realm this is what he said occult I mean everything related to Undead because that's your destiny and then he started saying that your pitra is your brother your ancestors they were involved in they're all pundits so some of them were tantrics so uh some of them were mantrawadis none of them from Kerala so my those ancestors was my grandfather and all they're from Kerala and they were all like normal working people but before that in the 19th century 18th century that time ancestors those ancestors they were into all these worships and exorcisms


they were into all these worships and exorcisms and all these things he started telling me all those things that you will be an exorcist or something like that I said I can't be an exorcist here if not an exhausts your profession will be related to something like that maybe the ghost or something and then I told him I wrote a book first book it had an element second book was a horror book the first film that came to me it was not my story it was somebody else's Story the director wanted me to develop the screenplay apparently it happened to be or coincidentally it happened to be a Horror Story and there was another one which was coming to me which was also a horror horror horror film so then I started feeling there is some kind of a truth in what he's saying and then I started opening up and he said something whatever you do no matter what you write or what you make as a filmmaker it will always be about ghosts and you won't


it will always be about ghosts and you won't believe whatever I've done till now it's all it has been about goals it's not like an algorithm which is working somewhere right see if you're searching about ghosts or is it again if that's if there's an algorithm it's outside of sensory perception which again brings me that simulation theory that we are all living in a simulation right which is kind of connecting people like the director and me there was no connection at all but we are connected and then there were a lot of uh unimaginable things which he told me like uh my ancestors like my great great grandfather he used to worship in a temple in Karnataka in South Canada and he once got so angry and upset that he uh threw something in some deity or something in a pond behind the temple so you must go and worship in that Temple and ask for forgiveness then those Wizards believed that the last four generations the pitrus they can still haunt you while


generations the pitrus they can still haunt you while you're alive so once you you are dead it will be you then the previous region your dad your granddad your great Granddad correct or mom usually you believe it in a patriarchal this thing but matroos are also there So when you say through those it's patriarchal it's patriotic wow but again I'm not the expert here it's better to consult someone who knows it better uh this is my understanding so whatever I'm saying it's my understanding I still have got a lot to understand um so he told me all these things so your great great grandfather did something you have to go back we started doing a research we don't use surname in surnames in Kerala right it's K Hari Kumar the use of others initials so that this caste system is out of question right but then the patriarchy is there because K is my father's name anyway uh I found out that my uh family name so we come from a community of


uh family name so we come from a community of Shivali brahmins Shivali brahmins were brahmanas who migrated from Northern India to Karnataka like thousands of years ago so it was a family of 500 people who resided there and each family had a house and this house name is associated and it's carried on from so I tried to ask my uncles and uncles grandfathers whoever whoever was alive and very old enough to know all these details so they told me that your name is I started Googling around everywhere and finally found one guy on Facebook with the last name and I tried contacting him and everything but and he looked very much like one of my cha-chas so there was some genetic connection for sure and then again I started asking asking asking finally found out that there was a temple in suratul is in between Mangalore and Udupi and it's a Shiva Temple and this is exactly what that astrologer told me he didn't say Shiva templation he


told me he didn't say Shiva templation he said there's a temple on the top of a hill and behind the behind that Temple there's there's a pond where this Idol could be lying so you just have to ask for forgiveness and after finding out everything I went there so there was a Shiva temple on top of a hill and Siva is not the deity that we were worshiping you vaishnavitz so it was very strange but then again uh I went there I went inside and uh the Pandit was doing some mantras and also I couldn't talk to him but then I just worshiped and then went to the backside because I wanted to see if there's a pond when I looked on the back side there was nothing there was just a field and this one small tank kind of a structure where you know people are taking water and this was all there's nothing here there's no pond then I came back then by the time the priest was free so my parents were also there my


priest was free so my parents were also there my father started talking to the priest and it turned out that he was related to my father the priest the priest his father's father was my grandfather's cousin's cousin or something like that so it was a there was a pattern uh patriarchal connection and here we started asking and so he had heard the story that my great grandfather used to be a priest there and he had some anger issues and all those things and one day he got so angry that he threw some keys or something we don't know whether it's in pond or anything but he threw the keys and he left that place and then he left for Kerala then after that nobody heard from him for a long time this was validated this much now came the question of the pond where is the pond the pawn used to be there but then we covered up now there's a small tank out there instead of the pond so now I mean again it could be coincidence how can an


mean again it could be coincidence how can an astrologist sitting there talk about this maybe he has heard about this story from his ancestors you know it's a back in the day you know the communities were very small maybe he must have heard it from his grandfather that there is a guy who migrated from suratgar to here and he's settled here maybe that's how he got the story and because he made some connection that you know I am also from that place so it could be the same lineage so that could be the rational explanation but otherwise it's very very coincident and I prayed there and this astrologer also told me one more thing that uh this is my the question my mother was asking was why is not is he not getting married okay and his quit his job that kind of a mood that that was the mood she was in and he said no no you go there you worship there everything will be fine and you will find your he'll find his wife in that stretch


will find your he'll find his wife in that stretch of land and my wife is literally 15 kilometers from you know her ancestors the house that I told you earlier about that house is like 15 16 kilometers from there and there was no I mean there was no way that we were going to marry someone from Karnataka and we were all looking for girls from Kerala [Music] and that happens for shadi.com Branding here but algorithms I don't know yeah so a lot of things are there which cannot be explained like all these things about your family lineage and you know your charts Etc it's pointing in a direction it is and I really want to learn about that I have relatives who are into uh exorcism and all those things or exorcism but at least again your daily life you know where you want to you're fighting to earn your living it doesn't permit you to go into that particular line but if I get a chance I would definitely want to know you should watch our


I would definitely want to know you should watch our podcast and I'm not just trying to Brand TRS I am but I'm also just reeling if I'm at your party I'll tell you the same thing right because I think I had a lot of questions in my head when I began the podcast and only he's ordered it after 400 episodes right so he answered so many of my questions are only one out of five episodes is released every episode gets progressively heavier and darker uh but it also answered a lot of my questions and it made me think that hmm there is this other whole path of Indian culture which is very technical you can't go down that path yourself you need a guru and the one thing I've learned about gurus through spirituality is that when the student is ready the teacher appears so you don't even go looking for it right have that will in your heart for a guru someone will come your way you can be a potential Guru right right so that's exactly what in every


Guru right right so that's exactly what in every field that's what happens yeah whether it's spirituality whether it's creative profession few are destined you're ready so anybody will can be destined for greatness or for the opposite side but unless and until that person is not ready for that that Milestone won't cost so I think that Milestone you need to reach that Milestone where you are ready and then you have to take that step forward um yeah very curious to read your books considering the fact that you also believe in this theory that all creativity is not just your own so these look great definitely going to check these out dude I don't know what you've written in it and before the start of this episode you said that uh you're kind of a skeptic or you try being a skeptic I try to be realistic at least right now when I have answers I'd be open about it okay because see at the end of the day we are living in a world where there are a lot


are living in a world where there are a lot different kinds of people and sometimes what we say can hurt somebody else and sometimes what we believe when we try to force that belief into somebody else it kind of creates a resistance so it's better to avoid that and seek your path when you get that path then I'm telling you what you won't even need all these things you'll be happy yeah because you have got it what do you want it yeah and uh these books especially dhakma and the other two books which I don't have right now those are products of Dreams yeah in the beginning it was dream that I saw and then I was writing then it was trying to you know it was kind of lucid dreaming um when you are trying to take con when you are preparing you know for a dream in your sleep and then you try to leave out that experience so that's how the ideas for the stories came and then there's newspaper cuttings you know incidents that have happened in


cuttings you know incidents that have happened in real life like the next book that I'm writing the fiction one it's based on something that I read uh in Northeast India where you know even today people are you know women especially are met with cruelty because of superstitions so those news are articles kind of inspired me and then one night I had a dream and I had this weird weird visual of a deity I don't know if it's a deity I don't know what it was but then I chose to call her a dakini I may be wrong but then I started researching and even now I'm reading about it and eventually hopefully it comes out as a you know good book yeah these are your blessings brother we're moving into the age of dark content and people like you are going to be found out by the public that's what I'll say let's hope so good luck with everything thank you pleasure oh it was an honor yeah no honor speaking to you getting to know your


no honor speaking to you getting to know your story dude uh you don't have a dark Aura for sure thank you uh you're a chill engineering grad just like myself but just like you I'm also going to dive a lot deeper into please Darkness yes and there are pictures from my wife's Harley as well beautiful we will be putting this up on the podcast thank you brother thank you so much that was the episode for today absolutely love creating these horror themed episodes not much to say about this particular one just enjoyed my conversation with K Hari Kumar I hope you enjoyed it as well I'd like to know from you guys who as you'd like to see on these horror specials of the runway show please give us recommendations I love conversations like this all of us love conversations like this the kind of conversations you have at night around a bonfire but instead in the form of podcast with slightly edited in effects I think it adds to the whole experience of listening


I think it adds to the whole experience of listening to such podcasts and I know you enjoy it as well remember check out our meditation app level Superman the link is given down below and for more episodes just like this make sure you follow the renovation on Spotify every episode available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world we'll be back with some horror on the renby show very soon [Music]


and in all of our Lives we need a different form and we need a different path in South India and Karnataka you have temples of dark granite yeah in the interior so in hampi also the temples of darkness in interior I think this place called halebidu they're also temples with pillars of dark granite those pillars have very specific shapes to them they are rings almost you know if you look at it as a on from the side angle it would just like look quite Jagged but Jagged with rings now if you look at that and you record something on your phone and see the shapes that go they're very similar in form my late 20s have been all about trying to understand Indian culture deeper trying to understand Hindu culture deeper trying to understand Tantra deep or trying to understand what Krishna means what Shiva means what Mata really means and the way I'm doing that is by talking to experts like if you saw the first episode we did with omatkar you know


the first episode we did with omatkar you know exactly what to expect in this particular one he's one of the best communicators that we've had on the show he's also one of the most well-read people when it comes to ancient Indian knowledge this one's a heavy conversation you will consume it more than once if the subject fascinates you it's just an age of speaking Norm the matka so for more conversations like this make sure you follow us on Spotify or Spotify exclusive every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world remember guys everything that I'm learning through these episodes becomes so much more meaningful when I get to share it with you guys so thank you for all the support you've shown the runway show my meditation app level supermind is now live in the app store on the Play Store a lot of ancient Indian cultural knowledge has been coded into that app if you want to begin your meditation Journey if you want to further your meditation


Journey if you want to further your meditation Journey that's already begun that is the app for you make sure you check it out you'll earn yourself a one week free trial if you click on the link down below and for now this is one of my Elder Brothers in life teaching me and hopefully teaching you guys the audience a lot more about Indian culture on the runway show [Music] we got some more right winging in the house it's another spiritual podcast this is another podcast about Hinduism am I a right-winger no I'm a Centrist but I have a deep fascination of Hinduism I learned from the experts I learned from super successful Bankers who also double up as pundits what's up um welcome back thank you so much for having me party Pandit I should say that's my new name after doing this wedding last week dude uh you bent people's minds with the last episode if you read the comment section and everyone's like bring them back bring them


comment section and everyone's like bring them back bring them back now uh I think we need people like yourself in 1987 born you're six years older than I am so we're pretty much the same age dude like definitely yeah I have this friend called you sort of a mentor to me okay he told me that dude you're doing such cool work I said why he said because no one else has the guts to talk about things like parshuram on the internet you'll get so trolled I'm like really I love the stories I'm just sharing the stories I'm trying to understand the philosophies yeah and he also said that as people enter their 30s it's not about which religion they're from but they always fall back to their own religion Muslims fall back to Islam Christians fall back to Christianity and Hindu boys and girls fall back to our little religion is it a religion truly it is a religion but it's a religion in a way that we don't understand it with a western perspective


that we don't understand it with a western perspective see um Hinduism will describe itself as a Dharma and all indic religions whether they are Buddhism journalism will subscribe to that view yeah which is it's not about a book or a single teacher or a prophet or uh the attainment of Heaven as a goal it is more here and now how do we evolve our life to be the best version of ourselves so in that sense Hinduism is one I heard a beautiful haraji recently where Hinduism is like a pharmacy and that Pharmacy is designed to get you to uninterrupted happiness you go to a pharmacy because you're unwell so here are what is that being unwell it is the idea that happiness comes and then it goes I have great happiness but then that goes away so I don't want to go up and down I Want to Be steady so I go to this Pharmacy and say ask the pharmacist what is the best one for me then the pharmacist


is the best one for me then the pharmacist will take a reading and see he'll understand do some tests or the doctor will do some tests and say for your proclivity for who you are for your tendency here is the path towards uninterrupted happiness for you for some that might be dhana for some that might be meditation for some that might be primarily Karma uh action for some that might be artistic it would be notes and all of those sorts of things but ultimately what is it doing it is exercising our inherent Tendencies to be able to calm that fluctuation up and down the same principle applies to which day TV version for someone they would want a deity who is in a female mail form because that really excites and this is not just women are the great uh Yogi the Great Master he was the guru of Swami Vivek Swami Vivekananda he used to worship Kalima he needed a female deity you know people don't know where that maurya comes from


know people don't know where that maurya comes from it was a saint who used to worship ganpati so that's where maurya comes from he needed Ganesha and in all of our Lives we need a different form and we need a different path and that's where Hinduism um or sanatan Vedic Dharma as the technical name is is so expansive because it says whatever samrata whatever tradition within Hinduism you fall into has been prescribed for your specific needs and actually the same principle applies to all religions every person approaches religion based on what their proclivities are for some the message of Guru Gobind Singh ji will resonate more for some the message of Jesus of expansive love and acceptance will resonate more for some the message of Buddha of withdrawal will resonate more and that's one of the beautiful things that in India because the underlying philosophy is this that's why all of the religions have come here and thrived Christianity came to India before it


here and thrived Christianity came to India before it went to Europe really yeah through the Syrian uh Christians Who were settled in Kerala came here first the only country in the world or the only civilization shall we say in the world where there has not been Jewish prosecution even today there is no anti-Semitism is India yeah Muslims have obviously there's been waves and waves of Islamic um entry shall we say in India they are still there even there was even though there was a partition we have a thriving uh Muslim population and the nicest thing is you know I feel I feel really happy when we go to a temple and we see people of different denominations there you can have a sick person in the Hindu temple I personally love going to gurudwara's uh you can I've live in London so over there there are churches primarily I have been in meditated in many churches over there because where will you find a meditation space and for me that was very normal and it's not like


for me that was very normal and it's not like I've walked away from my religion to do that but Hinduism are the religion gives you the foundation yeah to be able to do that people you know I've been trying to learn about Hinduism through the show and the one thing I've realized about it is that it's extremely wide open accepting yeah um and uh it's all about questioning yes you need to go deeper into your own mind deeper into uh other philosophies as well there's a whole atheism aspect of a Hinduism yeah uh I've had like some people who are sort of atheists they won't say that the atheists but they are yeah acharya prashanji I think that's you but uh my point is um I really enjoy studying other religions as well yeah and by studying other religions it's actually expanded by understanding of Hinduism itself yeah then in Hinduism of Side Learning much more about Tantra yeah I want to touch upon in this episode as


yeah I want to touch upon in this episode as well and we're going to cover so much uh with in today's episode again this is like another Deep dive into uh spiritualism I'm at a stage in my life where a lot of things are changing okay and why don't you just relay the story about uh when we met in May like what had happened you know the conversation we were holding till this point in the show yeah it was uh it was a beautiful meeting so um we connected in I think about May 2020 when the pandemic started you've been connected as adults as adults are we reconnected yeah shall we say after it would have been about 16 years at that point 15 16 years at least um and of course we were in touch before then through Instagram and you know I used to love your early videos that's why I mean I'm you know they have lots of big Fanboys of you but they're not those many old families I've seen the whole journey but it was really good to


seen the whole journey but it was really good to recorrect and chat and we chatted through that process and obviously the whole world was going through its own upheavals and we spoke about meditation uh and you you and I both actually at that stage were finding meditation that was supporting us make sense of a world that was changing very fast you and your tradition mean a different tradition and uh then when we met uh this year two years after that initial phone call video call back then we reconnected on a whole range of areas and one of the topics that we discussed we was energies and you were sharing with me how you went to Varanasi and in Varanasi you encountered different energies you enter different temples how would you explain energies to someone who Switched Off from the conversation when you say the word energies uh see energy is the reality of life if I hold this mug up and you put a powerful microscope on it at some point you will hit molecules if you put an


some point you will hit molecules if you put an even more powerful microscope on it at some point you will hit atoms if you're able to split the items you will see your nucleus protons neutrons what are the quarks what are they they are energetic forms so energy is Manifest in everything that we see you know so we have to take that perspective and understand in Hinduism we understand that as Shakti energy and we say Shakti pervades everything is it not true is not Shakti pervading this in the form of in its most Atomic at its most Atomic level so the interesting thing is this cup cannot have a two-way interaction with energy it is only holding the energy that it has been forged with beings living beings can have a two-way interaction with energy because we are carriers of energy and we are absorbers of energy at the same time we were speaking in March April about uh different energies and how we're talking about their different dimensions that had entered your life I was


their different dimensions that had entered your life I was in a horrible place in life it wasn't a terrible place and like every I mean at enter this new house was saying very lonely away from my mother and uh career wasn't going that well man like uh no matter how much effort I was putting in things weren't taking off yeah beard level beard beer biceps nothing was taking off and I was just like fighting this battle uh there were moments where I'd just be lying down on my bed wow I'm seeing this on camera and I'd visualize suicide does that mean I wanted to do suicide or go about it absolutely not because I know the consequences also yeah and then I'd question why am I visualizing like why has this thought even entered my head yeah uh I found out later that my close friend Manish Pandey also co-founder on Big Brain yeah um he said that yeah this happens to him as well sometimes sometimes this intrusive thought of suicide just comes when you're fully


intrusive thought of suicide just comes when you're fully burnt out yeah when you have like nothing more to give to work uh went for therapy helped me understand what's up yeah uh then I met you and around the time I met you dude everything started changing I was putting in the same effort but things were taking off 4X 5x more than what they were in that bad phase yeah I just realized that that phase taught me that everything is not in my hands and secondly you just have to keep going yeah anyway go on do you remember what I told you as well the gist of the conversation that we had sat on the Terrace he said that ranveer carries the masculine energy as a man obviously right and uh as a single man you moved into your own space this is your sport there's blue you know these sorts of colors shiva's color krishna's color but that feminine has not entered your life the feminine energy doesn't need to be a person girlfriend but that energy


need to be a person girlfriend but that energy has not entered your life and that's when you started to share that when you went to uh Varanasi which temples did you go into what interaction did you have and so on yeah and that transformation started to happen slowly slowly and of course you've had other podcasts since and they've pushed you on that Journey recently I saw your stories you were talking about crystals that's again a push because crystals come from come from the earth who Devi Earth energy has entered your life now this is a big Earth energy has entered your life and started growing Forex the principle of growth Quantum growth happens when you pull together purush and pragati you have spoken about this in the past that you have a shivalingam where the lingam uh the form represents Shiva and the Yoni that's around it the receptacle represents Shakti so people have a very limited idea of what this is and people are very embarrassed but oh it's you know


people are very embarrassed but oh it's you know coming together of male organ and female organ but beyond that it who came up with that image and why did that image resonate we have to think about all of these things and then we understand some of the major principles of growth now this reference I'm giving you comes more from the shavik side of things even in the bhagavad-gita Krishna has other principles for Quantum growth which we can touch on if you if you want we'll cover that but since we were talking about energy since we had spoken about Shiva Shakti tatva and so on I thought I'll cover this with you the creation comes from purusha and prakruti merger how does that happen and what is the relation of that with time is the governing factor in over all of our Lives we cannot Escape time even now we're having this conversation we are inevitably moving forward in time in the same way the whole universe is moving forward inevitably in time


the whole universe is moving forward inevitably in time towards what now we don't know the answer for this but theoretical physics has some hypotheses uh one of the hypotheses is that there will be um as stars explode they will attract the uh galaxies that are nearby to the point that there will be one major explosion that will attract the debris that has been created in the universe that will have the form of a black hole now many people know what black hole theory is Right we've now had instances of observable photographed black holes as well if you look at the photograph of a black hole what do we see we see a rim and then we see a dark Center in the middle that's the Event Horizon is the dim and the point of Singularity is the center if we look at it front on we see it as a circle if you look at from the side we see it as a tube right there's the Event Horizon and then behind that is the point of Singularity that is drawing everything


that is the point of Singularity that is drawing everything in when that drawing in happens time as a function stops at that point of Singularity which in Sanskrit we call it okay now this is an important thing to bear in mind what happens when everything has been drawn in by the Event Horizon then there's such a big magnetic draw that the uh black hole closes in on itself and when there's nowhere to go that concentration is so dense that there's an explosion that relates very closely to the Hindu theory of creation okay now that coming together of the closing of the black hole the form of that is an ellipsis lingam and at that point of Singularity the radial explosion that is Yoni so everything that has been created any Quantum results that have been created everything that we see this conversation that we're having right now is the coming together of Shiva and Shakti purush and prakriti and when we balance those two energies we start to see Quantum results in our lives


we start to see Quantum results in our lives let's talk about this conversation being an example of it yeah so the questions in my head and the answers in your head are the potential which is Shiva yeah and when we begin this work of doing the podcast we're putting it into action which is Shakti is that what you mean is that the correct and the results that they have is Shakti okay now we we answered this question from a Shiva perspective perspective in Sanskrit um philosophy that is known as uh philosophy where we talk about Shiva Shakti and draws also from vaishika philosophy which talks about atomic theory now let's talk about vedantic philosophy drawing from bhagavad-gita and krishna's world you say that you have had Forex growth or how many ever you know just Quantum growth do you think no Hold On Again chord two pieces of context here one things literally just switched up in my life uh May onwards um the right guest started coming on the show you


um the right guest started coming on the show you were one of them um we took certain work calls in terms of we stopped saying yes to every single podcast there was a lot of podcasts which I kind of didn't want to do but I just said okay let's try it as an experiment uh but that doesn't control the fact that the right guess came my way came into my life people dm'd me on Instagram and then became guests yeah uh and things have taken off like we're sitting on like Forex 5x growth probably right now just six months ago apparently a co-founder of my own level Mr ayushananda who you also know well uh because you kind of Mentor him with bhagavad-gita lessons yeah uh had tweeted this incredible thing once he put it on Instagram probably about 33 equity in what you do yeah I'd love for you to highlight that before we move on with the story see that um I'll explain the principles behind it because actually ayush puts it really well I'll some


because actually ayush puts it really well I'll some point bring him on and ask him about it so ayusha and I we have a weekly as a small group we have a weekly bhagavad-gita class every Sunday and in that we discussed these Concepts and it's not just about understanding the scripture because bhagavad-gita as a scripture is extremely relevant to our lives today you know we are all arjunas in our own kurukshetra trying to make our way through it and trying to make sense of all of the different stimuli that are coming out so he's got his own beautiful style of capturing it but the principle that you spoke about is something that we often talk about which is Law of Attraction right now you are saying that these people came into your lives law of attraction is mentioned twice or the explanation for law of attraction is given twice into different contexts in the bhagavad-gita one is a linear uh growth where you just you have a goal in mind you attract the


just you have a goal in mind you attract the circumstances and you hit that goal the second one is quantum results okay so the linear results are say if I want to achieve a certain size or you know growth of a promotion or something like a very specific goal in my mind uh Krishna says which means as one worships me that is how I manifest to them most people just limit their not limit but most people get a lot out of just this much of the verse but the next half of the verse is very interesting where Krishna says everyone in whatever they are Desiring and whatever they are wanting are propitiating me alone are calling on me alone so bhagwan through his power of Maya grants what we are drawing yeah so what ends up happening sometimes when you think about Maya is wrong though you have to get out of Maya Maya has the simulation yeah Maya is the potent energy of the Lord which we can also go into depths about because these are really beautiful deep philosophical


depths about because these are really beautiful deep philosophical Concepts but uh we often you know in colloquial language we say Maya is uh illusion illusory and which it which it is it's an illusion but it is an illusion in which we are existing so the beauty of Maya is that you can utilize Maya to achieve your goals now what are it depends on what your goals are right you can use it to achieve the goals that you have in the worldly sense I want a house I want a partner I want Blah Blah Blah by focusing on that goal as they worship me if they worship me as a relationship I will manifest as a relationship if they worship me as money I will manifest as money they worship me as promotion I will Manifest this promotion what does that mean if you worship me as x y z But ultimately anything that we are Desiring comes from bhagavan alone you mean the desires are put into our head because of God oh the desires come from see the


because of God oh the desires come from see the ultimate desire for anything is What happiness whether I want to drink a glass of water and I'm thirsty or I want to get married and have you know a family ultimately I think that this will give me happiness take care the problem is rather than searching for happiness research for the interim steps and Bhagavad understands that and he says I will create a system for you I'll create an arrangement for you where you ask for what you want and that system will give it to you yeah that is the same thing as law of attraction and bhagwan says four types of people come to me enough for so four types of people come to me Arjuna worship me are so one who is distressed or I am broken up I am you know I need a partner or I'm really struggling financially I need more money distressed one who wants to learn one who has some desire to learn and that could be spiritual learning or it could be


and that could be spiritual learning or it could be worldly learnings as well I want to learn I want to learn the molecular structure of this water ah so that ultimately that's also a desire and that's also going to bhagwan earthy so one who wants material growth yeah material possessions and so on and gyani all four so all four which in these four categories we can put all of us and all of our desires at any given time what is gyani gyani is a one who is searching for knowledge highest spiritual knowledge and self-realization yeah okay so if we think about all of our desires we can put them in these four categories broadly so if krishna's saying all these four are coming to me and I am servicing them and ultimately everything is through me then that law of attraction the linear path is being given by Krishna a lot by bhagwan alone whether you believe you know whether you see Krishna devta or not as a linear path to Law of Attraction then


not as a linear path to Law of Attraction then there is the Quantum path which is you start to see results that you had not even expected there are quantum results happening Quantum of the board in all directions things are going in your health you're growing in your relationships okay in your work you're growing in and that is having radial effects you grow in your work you Mentor someone they grow they Mentor someone they grow you earn some money you spend it you create a new industry then the new people come in they grow and you also growing you know these Quantum results are happening on all sides that Quantum results bhagwan talks about in the form of yagya now yagya is a phrase that most people are familiar with another word for havan is yagya fire ceremony yeah now today we understand it as um a we understand a sacrifice because that's the English translation but it's much deeper than that much much deeper than that because sacrifice creates this idea that


deeper than that because sacrifice creates this idea that I'm giving up something but actually it is an expression of abundance that I have so much that I am thankful for it and I am saying that this has not been created by me I am pouring myself into this I'm pointing these offerings into the fire for you know for bhagavan for the Divine who has made all of this possible how do you say in uh uh in The Vedas where they talk about Karma Khan there are clear uh instructions for your gear how should it be and typically what used to happen when these big young girls used to take place everyone in the community used to come uncontribute so some person would bring the grain someone would bring the firewood someone would bring um the ghee and someone would erect the tent someone would clean the space someone would come and chant someone would cook the food you know so it was a community Gathering and this principle of Jager today also we see ganpati if I if I


today also we see ganpati if I if I if you're having a Puja at your house I'll come I'll bow down I'll leave some cash that is also a form of like a participating Community participation but comes from realizing that there's something higher at play here that I am not doing then when we take the eye out of the equation then suddenly our insecurities go our fears go uh um you know likes dislikes preferences that clears away and more of us is present in that moment to participate so what bhagwan says to Arjuna in chapter 3 chapter 4 of bhagavad-gita is you participate in this war participate in your job whatever your job is participate in it with yogya Spirit participate participate in it by taking that ins and minus take it out of it think that this is I I am expressing my abundance I recognize that there's a higher power in play and see what happens That's the Law of Attraction according to Hinduism that is the


of Attraction according to Hinduism that is the law of attraction with Quantum results where you flow with life and you say that yes I'll put in my effort but actually the results are totally dependent you recognize that there's a higher power at play playing through you and we stop getting in the way with our likes and dislikes and when we get out of the way then that higher power plays through you what do you mean about this likes and dislikes what even you get out of the way and I'm asking you this because it's the actionable step for human beings yeah I'll should I give you an example from my own life sure recently what happened so this get out of the way is Inus and minus okay which we could ordinarily call ego ego is what I am this person and this jacket is mine this job is mine this you know whatever name famous mind when we say that I am this person with this title walking into the building then suddenly if someone says do you not know who


then suddenly if someone says do you not know who I am then our ego gets pricked then what happens when I ego a spirit we're not fully available in that moment to respond appropriately for what's required of that day yeah so that iron is and minus IR ego can cause us to stumble through life we'll get through life but we will stumble through life and that's what happens in the beginning of the bhagavad-gita where they have assembled for the war but Arjuna sees his own family on the other side and His Highness and minus gets pricked array how can I kill vishma how can I kill my Guru how can I do this how can I fight this the whole world will you know suffer as a result of the Krishna says listen you are saying wise things but you are not actually talking wisdom take your highness and minus out of it and see the quantum results that come that is so in Hinduism we have this theory of Law of Attraction but we actually


have this theory of Law of Attraction but we actually have it in a much more profound sense when it's currently explored on YouTube because we have the linear path which is what we've got in the secret we also have this Quantum path which Shiva Shakti is in the shaivai tradition and through uh from not just say right but from a um and a sankhya tradition philosophically and from a vedantic perspective philosophically we've got this path of the Gita so it's kind of like you have to submit to a higher power but at the same time give your best yeah so you see in in Hindu tradition we have different paths we have Paths of bhakti we have parts of Guyana we have parts of karma these principally these three the other parts also right so in part of bhakti we'll say I submit to a higher power they are acting through me in parts of gyana it says I recognize that this is this is the play of different karmas that this whole world is


play of different karmas that this whole world is sustained by a Divine principle so I know that ultimately my Affairs are worthless because ultimately the higher principle is sustainable karma is I am here for a reason I have to act I am not going to run away from this field I am going to do what's needed so it's a slightly different Bend depending on where your mind is at on which path you are following but yes ultimately the uh there is unity across all three the Western aspect of this law of attraction is you write down your goals put it up uh think about it meditate upon it uh that's all I know about the Western Law of Attraction when people in the west talk about using it yeah is there a version of that in terms of actionables here we write down our goals put it on the wall look at it visualize what are we doing we are doing a process that in Hinduism is known as oppasana I look at say for example I want my dream


I look at say for example I want my dream house I take I write that down I want my dream house it should have so many bedrooms you could have so much outdoor land you should have a balcony this should be the view you know I take that right all of that down I find some nice reference photos create a mood board put it up on the wall and I look at it I look at it and I say oh wow you know it'll have and then ultimately the power of my mind is in that linear Direction the full power of my mind is on that and gradually the circumstances developed for that to manifest itself now when we go into the temple or when we sit down in our home Temple to meditate and we see a picture of Sri Ganesh what do we see we see all of the same attributes we see oh I have you know I have a large head so I should have in a profound intellect to engage with the world I have large ears so I should