uh that's a great and i think like you know anything that what makes a good podcast is i think like different layer if you have different layers of conversation i think we were at layer three layer four right i think we even explored the spiritual angle at layer five right if you just like we're swimming at layer one where we were like okay you know what are the companies that you follow or like what investors you follow and like you know why uh you know like shark tank right like what if you ask me like who's your favorite like judge on shark tank that's not a question that's interesting or engaging right but what we spoke about is how shark tank is changing people's mindsets and all of that right and so that i think yeah you enjoy psychology and [ __ ] of course yeah consumer behavior yeah i i [ __ ] think everyone enjoys some form of psychology as they keep growing up dude yeah uh and then and again it's something so the podcast big gift to the


it's something so the podcast big gift to the podcasters that you get to explore psychology and different kinds of psychologies true so uh again like what it does effectively in the long term is that it improves i don't call it psychoanalysis because that's for professionals but it gives you some version of psychoanalysis and uh from the time i saw you the the there were two thoughts in my head one i'm glad that you're young or you have a baby face and i get why you would you would get all that girl attention uh and two uh in in i'm trying to really put as much positive emotion into this even though the statement might sound negative i love the harami and you dude there is this amazing harami in you which i love talking to because i connect with them maybe that's that's just uh i think i think we address the mirroring right in the beginning because i called spade a spade right here yeah yeah uh i think the harami spoke in this


yeah uh i think the harami spoke in this podcast and i'm hoping to have you on the show again mr awesome thanks for having me i really appreciate it i'm glad you had fun thank you brother so that was the extremely open conversation on the ranvi show these are the conversations i look forward to the most i love spiritual conversations but sometimes you need a bit of money talk sometimes you need a bit of business talk sometimes you need a brotherly conversation just like this i was very drained out on the day that we recorded this but after pratham left the studio i actually felt higher energy levels i enjoyed this conversation a lot felt like i'm talking to a long time friend that's the beauty of insight the more you think about subjects the deeper you think about subjects the better a conversationalist you become i hope you gained from this podcast if you're considering doing an mba in your life re-watch this podcast because this is the truth of the professional world today


because this is the truth of the professional world today and if any of your friends are considering doing an mba please share this particular podcast episode with them i feel it's one of the most crucial episodes of the year this is pratham metal on the rnv show makes you follow trs on spotify every episode's available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world i'd love to know from you guys what other topics you'd like broken down on the show when it comes to money careers businesses lots more coming your way on the 2022 version of the runway show [Music] you


the much awaited conversation with the legend satguru is finally here the last time i spoke to him it was 2018 i was a very different person the questions i had the thoughts i had were extremely different as compared to my perspectives at this stage in life it's been two and a half to three years of a lot of knowledge absorption and i hope that if you enjoyed that conversation that we had back then you'll enjoy this conversation even more it's aimed at all the gen z's out there aimed at college students it's aimed at young professionals and above all it's aimed at the leaders of the human race in the future why because this conversation touches upon a lot of topics including the save soil movement what is the safe soil movement satguru will tell you himself on the show but what's to be noted is that because of climate change because of deforestation because of pollution caused by human beings soil all over the world is losing its quality and therefore that means that we might


losing its quality and therefore that means that we might face an entire phase of food shortages and famines all over the world in as less as 40 years from now this and more on this very crucial conversation with satguru on the runway show enjoy yourselves follow us on spotify drs is a spotify exclusive which means that every episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world this conversation is going to blow you away if spiritual conversations are what you're in the search for namaskaram enjoy the episode with guru [Music] just i think this has already become one of the most fascinating moments of my life being in the middle of nature speaking with you so um you know i last spoke to you in like this in 2018 i feel like i was a child back then i feel i'm a little older of a child now but that night i i mean that that conversation had such a deep impact on me because of the things you answered my questions with like


because of the things you answered my questions with like the the answers you gave gave me the answers i needed exactly at that point in time and that night i actually had a dream about you this time i'll treat you like an adult okay happy happy too happy to just be next to you and be talking to you it doesn't matter how you treat her this is the thing with me even if they're 70 years of age i treat them like children and they slowly become like that with me that is the whole thing with time people are getting crusted that is the whole thing about life that you don't get trusted and rested just because of time no i agree i'll still treat you as a child okay happy happy and honored too happy and honored to be treated like a child so guru it just breaks my heart that i'm having such a beautiful moment here with you and our world is in the middle of a war right now not the world only two nations two nations no no


the world only two nations two nations no no it's very important we don't exaggerate this because we should never move into that thing about two world wars have happened we should never ever move in that direction conflict should not happen but in case it happens at least it must be contained everybody should not jump into it what do you think goes on in those few men's minds you know the ones who are the decision makers why would you consciously choose to go to war it can't just be for economic reason there has to be a thought of ego as well like you see these are very superfluous judgments but we must understand all this is rooted in our strong sense of identity and we want our identity to dominate somebody else's identity so nationhood is a very strong identity the identity is consciously built and encouraged to a point that you are willing to shed your life for your nation it is always considered a great virtue right if i am willing to shed my life for my


if i am willing to shed my life for my nation i am also willing to take your life for that that is a natural process whether it is nation race religion caste creed or even your individuality if you're unnecessarily identified you will get into unnecessary levels of friction and conflict um isn't identity just another word for ego like i've constantly been thinking lately a lot about this concept of ego the more you think about see when you say it's a concept of you go that means you made it up why do you make it up [Laughter] okay fair my my follow-up question i didn't make it up so i don't have it these are these are the kind of answers i just play with my hair okay and i'm not ready for the next question yet but i'm still gonna throw it at you so okay the next the next question honestly is the other kind of concept that fascinates me a lot in this world and kind of still makes me feel bittersweet about the times that we


makes me feel bittersweet about the times that we live in it's this concept of gen z which is generation z which means kids that are roughly born after 97. wait wait if you're generation z don't ever say that because that means you're the last generation well that's one thing i'm trying to avoid that you should not be the last generation what does gen z mean is the last word last album i think i think culturally i am a millennial because i'm born pre-97 i am also 20th century millennial i think which millennia are you talking about i think those are the cultural kind of terms given to them all right but don't use the word gen z that means you're the last generation please don't be that we'll call you uh you know gen a okay i think the next one's called jen alpha just we go back to the start oh okay it's a circular moment of alphabets so so i i work once you learn the alphabets you must go into words once you get the words


you must go into words once you get the words you must go into sentences once you go into sentences you go into literature okay don't keep on repeating the alphabets man [Laughter] i i work with a lot of these gen z's and some gen alphas what i notice about them is that i seem to find a different name [Laughter] gen z is dangerous it means you're the last generation can do that yeah i think it's a cool sounding name maybe in in our heads as as youth but anyway uh so so the one thing i notice about them is that they're incredibly intelligent far more intelligent than my generation was at that age 17 18 and you talk to some 13 14 year olds and they're even smarter than this gen z generation so i look at them as like both blessed and slightly cursed cursed because we're living in the times of the virus we're living in the times of this particular incident we spoke about like the war and then they're also living


about like the war and then they're also living in the times of ecological damage the good thing about gen z and gen alpha is that they're way more environmentally conscious they're more intelligent they're very more strategic they know how to use technology design social media much better but i'm very curious to kind of think of that trajectory in this world what kind of world are they heading into see every generation thinking they are special is a very bad thing unfortunately every generation thinks they are special so we come from the 60s the 60s generation thought they are really special people all right they became a disaster don't go in that direction because this thing thinking this generation is more intelligent that generation is more conscious it's not like that because by doing that you're shirking your individual responsibility what do you mean see you got to be smart my generation is smart what does it mean whether you're smart or dumb is the only question that matters isn't it whether you're conscious or not is what my oh we our generation


conscious or not is what my oh we our generation is more conscious there's no such thing this is the whole people find thousand different ways as to how to shift the fundamental responsibility of being human to something else and something else you're talking about genji can handle their phone better than me maybe it's true because that's what they were born with i could climb a tree better than any gen z probably even now i can do it better i can ride a motorcycle better than most zen ziza so what i'm saying whatever was available to us in our times we've become good with it that doesn't make us smarter so what world are they heading into though like what do you think is in store for us over the next 10 20 years well if they're only looking at the phone screen or the computer screen they're heading at your wall you need to look up and see where is life going around you it's very important you're misunderstanding technology and uh you know the screen space as a reality no it's


know the screen space as a reality no it's a technology is a wonderful tool only if you use it consciously if you become unconscious and compulsive about it today in the united states they've set up technology d addiction centers okay just like drug detection technology addiction they're going crazy with technology alright technology has done wonders to me we're doing 100 times the work that we were doing uh maybe 15 20 years ago simply because of technology i think it's a great thing but somebody else is suffering that human beings are even suffering their own brains isn't it if they didn't have a brain they would be peaceful because they have a brain they're saying stress stress stress because you don't know how to handle the highest technology which is here on this planet the greatest technology on the planet is the human mechanism people who don't know how to handle it people who never read the user's manual they are suffering their body and their mind i i have two follow-up questions to this yes


mind i i have two follow-up questions to this yes the first one is are you familiar with the whole metaverse revolution that's happening and the second a revolution i've heard about metaverse i know what meta worse yeah it's like virtual reality worse that's the that's the follow-up question that's the second against any technology i am for it only if you know how to consciously handle it see right now isn't this meta worse yeah hello that's that that's that was the question like um you know i i just hope that the technologies of the future don't take us away from nature because we are living in a beautiful city because you will be wearing those vr glasses and you will completely not look at the world yeah see right now if you pay enough attention to this this is super metaverse believe me people have never paid attention lived in jungle spent weeks together just by myself what's happening here not simple even today when i'm talking about the soil everybody's saying how did you


about the soil everybody's saying how did you become an environmentalist from where i think it's quite vulgar to call yourself an ecologist environmentalist whatever i'm not saying in scientific as a scientific terminology generally people calling themselves because you are a part of the ecology you are a part of the environment how the hell did you assume that you're above it and you're going to fix something you are part of it you just outcome of it isn't it what's happening in the soil and who you are is just a reflection it's a consequence of what's happening there so we assume this distance especially if you wear these vr glasses and walk around all the time you will never see life around you not experience life around you so all you are having is like a psychedelic experience at that time during my time everybody was doing that with lsd well 12 13 of my friends died doing these things i thought they always said i will kill myself on my motorcycle but i'm still here they


myself on my motorcycle but i'm still here they did drugs and they thought that is better because they were seeing worlds that didn't exist and many of them died others got sick so they were doing meta metawars with chemicals you're doing metawars with technology all that will happen is your mind will get distorted because the mind is a reflection of what you're exposed to if you're more and more exposed to the unity and the harmony of the creation that's how your mind will become if more and more you're exposed to all these aberrations however great it is in terms of creation it's entertainment means you do it one or two hours that's a different thing but you think that is a new world and you but people are buying real estate hello people are buying real estate in meta worse there can't be a dumber thing than that okay see you buy a real estate in the false world false estate it's not a realistic especially after the conversation i heard of yours with prajakta


the conversation i heard of yours with prajakta right now just before this where you were kind of dishing out pieces of truth from the near future where you said that 90 percent of the organic content in soil has deteriorated all over the world you know you spoke a lot about generally the deterioration of our planet i feel like that's the pertinent issue but people don't focus on all the holes in the boat they just focus on making the boat larger and larger and you know we're speaking about uh billionaires of the world like elon musk all these people they're trying to colonize mars they're trying to do all that terror forming but here our planet is getting affected and i feel that's the issue that gen z needs to talk about a lot more so jen whatever then uh but but the younger folks need to know these truths you can call them z a closer term would be c then confused that's not a popular thing to say but i'm telling you this is very important


say but i'm telling you this is very important that you don't label yourself already people are putting enough labels on you you are indian you're brown you're white you're with this religion that religion that cast this creed all kinds of rubbish labels they're putting on you don't put one more label on yourself because every label will restrict you in some way isn't it will it not yeah yeah so don't put any labels why don't you just live here as a living thing breathe and exist and reverberate at the highest possible level that's all you can do with life rest is all your imagination do not misunderstand your imagination as reality this is very important if you confuse psychological reality as existential reality you will suffer immensely in your life this what is happening to people what is it that they're suffering or see somebody putting pins into your body no you're just suffering your own mind isn't it the greatest thing that's happened on this planet


the greatest thing that's happened on this planet if you ask me in terms of technology and in terms of possibility is human mind but you suffer that all the time and uh if i say it doesn't matter whether you're born yesterday or you're born 100 years ago if you are suffering your own mind your gen c yeah um how do we get people generally to just be a part of the safe soil movement after your chatter project i have understood the significance of it but my question maybe this is a capitalistic question but how do we actually grip people's attention and tell them listen this is what's wrong with the planet see first thing is uh the younger generation needs to understand food comes from land your body that you carry which matters to you this comes from land this is land this is called human because this is a consequence of the humus in the land so take some time to find out how much humans is left wherever you are you're living in a city everything is paved


are you're living in a city everything is paved all right paved land and plowed land disaster on the planet it is very important soil is a recycle all the time dead life is going into it and life is coming out of it the most miraculous thing about soil is this the miracle of the soil is that nowhere in this entire universe is there a place where you can sow death and it sprouts life burst out with life bury something dead here and just see in a few days how much life will be happening around it tell me you show me one place in the entire universe where this can happen so right now the kind of things people are imagining up making up in their mindses uh about a week ago there is somebody who's got a startup okay if you pay 1.7 million dollars to him when you die you can book it right now when you die whenever you die they will take your body and leave it in the space because there's no oxygen out there


in the space because there's no oxygen out there and there's no microbial life your body will not rot it will just remain the same way for millions of years your body can float around in the space maybe you can catch a ride on some spaceship i'm saying the body that you carry is essentially soil if you did not do anything eco-friendly at least when you die you must put it back where it belongs hello that's the simplest thing you can do but today they're putting them in boxes and preserving them in buildings like parking lots they're built for people to be stored in boxes this box belongs to your grandmother you can go and put flowers there what is the point of preserving a dead body it must go back because we have no business it's a loan that we have taken we have to put it back when our job is done isn't it so doing this kind of things is all coming from the ignorance of how life happens life you know if you utter the word carbon everybody


life you know if you utter the word carbon everybody thinks something noxious something poisonous today because of so much stock happening in the social media about carbon carbon dioxide carbon monoxide carbon is life you and me are carbon life ah this tree is carbon life every animal is carbon life isn't it this entire world life the fundamental material for life is carbon based and right now what you call is life on one level is just a whole carbon cycle if there is a chain if there is a chain which is making something let's say motorcycles have changed you know these days these chains that we have today on these motorcycles modern motorcycles they don't give us so much trouble otherwise when i was riding motorcycle every 500 600 kilometers you have to check your chain because it will become loose if you ride like that it'll come off and cause a disaster for you okay every 600 kilometers 700 kilometers you have to check it 1000 kilometers you have to take off a link because the material was such today modern


off a link because the material was such today modern chains are made in such a way we aren't we're just not bothered with simply writing they're also you must maintain but when you're on a single trip you don't have to bother so a chain any chain is a cycle like that any chain is only as strong as an individual link you don't have to break the whole chain if you break one link it's gone right right now this chain the carbon chain is going on all right to keep the life going that's the only way life is going but the agricultural soil on the planet which is one big link in the chain has become too weak if that breaks life is not going to be good life you can order from your your food from swiggy piggy wherever you like it but somebody has to cook it right somebody is cooking the food the delivery mechanism won't deliver it to you somebody is cooking the food somebody is growing the food delivery can happen technology app do not


the food delivery can happen technology app do not misunderstand the delivery as the source you're eating food not because of a food app you're eating food not because of a store you're eating food not because of your kitchen you're eating food only because of the richness of the soil if you don't understand this we will pay a serious price unfortunately in the last 30 40 years we have missed this point and caused enormous damage to the soil where 62 percent of india's soil has less than 0.5 percent organic content this is on the verge of desertification we are partners with unccd the u.n agency to combat the certification this is the biggest concern right now the world is turning into a desert if people don't understand how it turns into a desert saudi arabia means you see a desert right 10 000 years ago it was a rain forest gujarat was a you know well-endowed forests rajasthan was a forest when the saraswati river flowed on the surface all these


saraswati river flowed on the surface all these were forests the moment it was deprived and certain things changed and people did not understand what was happening they all turn into harsh deserts this is what will happen it is not that tomorrow tomorrow morning there will be sand dunes in your neighborhood that's not the point because then you may think it's very romantic you can go and sing a song there like a movie star or something that is not how it will happen food production will slowly slide it's not like one day suddenly there will be no food it slowly slides even today for all of you young people who are well to do who have choice of foods to eat i want you to understand every day even today 820 million people go to bed without food it's expected by 2032 nearly one and a half billion to two billion people will be going to bed without food it's expected by 2045. nearly three to 3.5 billion people will be going to bed without food


billion people will be going to bed without food is that what you want to do and what makes you think it won't be you what is the guarantee it's not you you always think these things happen to somebody else no no it will happen to you and me i've been reading a lot of historian's work like graham and kog you all know harari and they keep talking about how history is so deep that there's no way we can even know what happened before ten thousand years or twenty thousand years so i always think that maybe there were civilizations that actually made some wrong moves from an environmental perspective and mother nature came to bite back do you think this is another cycle like just like that see it has happened not on the scale it's happening now because now it's global mayan civilization collapsed because they over formed mesopotamia one of the greatest civilizations in the world between two rivers that collapsed because of over farming rome as a civilization collapsed because of over farming


rome as a civilization collapsed because of over farming because those days there was no massive transportation systems like railways or ships and things like that once they could not grow food that city would collapse today we can say you are not growing any food in mumbai all right but you can good get food from all over the world but how long do you think it will work without the needed food growing around you how long will it work and once there is a shortage in that source they will stop sending food to you already it's happening to many places okay the next question i'm going to ask might sound a little rude and i apologize i'll also be rude no problem that's that's fine uh you're allowed to be rude yeah but uh um and then i'm asking you this from the perspective of me studying a book called the garud quran lately which speaks about death so you're thinking what punishment i should get is it no no no i'm it got me thinking about my own death


no i'm it got me thinking about my own death and everything i wanted to do before my death so all these campaigns you're taking on where be it safe soil be it kaveri calling are you doing it from a perspective of you want to create an impact in the next 20 30 years because you're doing some extreme stuff like the 30 000 kilometer bike ride it's it's it's harsh on anyone's body so it gets me thinking that firstly it's a two-prong question i'm very sorry if this is coming off as rude but i'm curious do you ever think about your own you know your own moment in time and and secondly how do you my moment in time i am fully sorted out on that completely sorted out i don't have such bother at all in life do you think about it at all no because i will decide that moment i'm not thinking it'll happen like that to me what are you waiting for why you asking why am i not dead why have you not chosen why


am i not dead why have you not chosen why have you not chosen it yet well still the water is flowing people around me are still thirsty to know and to grow if they show little boredom in front of me i'll be gone they better know that yes that's how simple it is for me people who sit in front of me if they show boredom they think what is he talking about well i'll be gone okay i met you four years ago and uh again this is going to be a slightly rude question i apologize to like everyone here um you know i i see what you're trying to do i've visited the ashram i've come to coimbatore i've seen all the work that's going on i've seen the energy of everyone and there's a lot of good intent here especially when it comes to the environment not a lot of good intent only good there's only there's only good intent here and you have people in the world of politics people in the world of media i would even say


people in the world of media i would even say the entire left wing of the country always trying to pull you down i feel the same people there's pockets of it which try to pull me down as well and i'm by the way i'm called gen z which is like which is which is like i i feel embarrassed but you know these kind of narratives are out there so how do you perceive all that so like what do you what do you make of that situation when you're trying to do so much good and people are misinterpreting you they're trying to pull you down because i'm actually asking you this form from my own perspective if i could learn something see if you are very clear that what you're doing is significant for every life around you other people's opinion means nothing but what i'm saying for 30 years plus they've been saying the same things they're not even creative they're not able to come up with anything new all right same things they are saying but they have not gotten


things they are saying but they have not gotten anywhere because they have no substance there's no substantive anything that they have said so it's unfortunate that they're in that state but what i see is every daily mystic quote is there you know daily quote all these people are just waiting one thing that they don't understand suddenly all of them will get together and make it make the twitter trend i am so glad because every day they're reading my quotes even people who are here are not reading [Laughter] they're reading okay i'm saying every day carefully they're reading my quote the day they don't understand they think i made a mistake and boom they'll go i'm glad i worked in prisons both in india and united states i worked with hardcore criminals who have come for murder rape worst possible things that a man can do for those things they have come and i've seen significant transformation with in their lives simply because of two days or five days of contact with me these


two days or five days of contact with me these guys are continuously following me i'm very confident one day they will be very transformed i wish them the best but my you know it's not just about the opinions of guru i feel if you are in the middle of your own purpose sometimes people yes it unfortunately takes a certain amount of energy time resource to handle this but see they also enhance the message any publicity is good publicity i don't think this is publicity i've never looked for publicity actually people may find this difficult to understand i'm an extremely uh private person really i am public because i consider all of them as part of myself only in that sense otherwise i am not public in any sense so it takes a certain amount of uh you know in your stride a little bit of extra it's like you're walking and somebody hangs onto your leg you still have to walk you walk but they are lightweight okay i'm saying uh with all whatever they've been doing for 25


uh with all whatever they've been doing for 25 years they're not able to prove one point and say okay this is actually happened how long will people believe this kind of trash endlessly slowly they're losing their attraction they're feeling stupid many of them have started following us in a positive way many journalists who from hello magazines and stuff who started this whole scandalous thing about us today they're all devotees here others will come what do you think is that person's journey who has that much anger in their heart see some of them are genuinely angry because because there is bitterness in them from their own life yes lack of being significant in the world this is not just about me they're attacking sports people they're attacking actors they're attacking artists anybody who's successful they're attacking them because their anti-success they want to succeed but i they must have failed repeatedly in their lives in everything that they do now anybody who is successful they want to pull them down who just tell me


they want to pull them down who just tell me who's been spared which arena of life has been spayed politicians who are elected they will pull them down sports persons who are very super successful they pull them down spiritual people of course the thing is on but they don't pull down all the spiritual people if they're ineffective if they're not a big success they're not pulling them down they're not disagreeing with them all right so they're essentially you know ranked by somebody's success which shows lack of significance in their own life i wish them success so that they can relax and be positive about life so i'm very hopeful about india going forward as a country i feel it will be a change maker in this world they say that india's the spiritual capital of this earth i don't know if that's true i would like to believe it a big aspect of being spiritual i feel is being loving and we're seeing so much me versus you in this country as not me versus you


you in this country as not me versus you let's settle this who told you being spiritual is being loving isn't it about spreading love then get a dog then dogs are really spiritual he said what are you saying dogs are very loving come on i mean is that me yes or no yes sir they're very loving so they're all spiritual i don't wag your tail all the time and you're spiritual please don't do that but so like how do we get the country united because i feel that repeatedly our country has been invaded and affected and brought down because of this whole divide and rule policy people caught on to the fact that we play a lot of me versus you so again for the next 20 30 years how do we work on that aspect of unity to build businesses to build movements to save soil to help the environment because i feel that we've been given a gift to be born in this country and we're not valuing it enough as a unit and there's


not valuing it enough as a unit and there's too much ego there's too much anger there's too much hate especially poster pandemic so what's your advice here so yeah don't judge the whole country by looking at a television screen or a social media platform no just walk around here just walk around in this village or in the city you don't find anybody in anger you don't find anybody beating up somebody do you no no such thing happening some incidents happen 1.3 billion people some incidents here and there happen unfortunately lives are lost injuries have been caused to other people which definitely needs to be dealt with there is no one way to deal with that there is uh law enforcement there is a certain sense of harmony in the society all these things matter these are not overnight jobs this is something we need to strive for as you said history historically uh we've gone through a whole riga of invasions worst kind of invasions we've not documented it very


kind of invasions we've not documented it very well as other cultures have but we have gone through and taken a beating that very few uh populations in the world have taken most cruel kind of battering we have taken but we still not bitter that is what is beautiful about us people have come subjugated us made us feel like you know you even have to pay a tax for being who you are all this but we are not bitter that is a great thing okay we are not bitter yesterday what happened for that we are not bitter but making sure that doesn't happen again to us tomorrow is also equally a responsible thing to do for which we are building a strong nation right now we should have done it sooner it's 75 years now but we're doing it a little slow but for the size of the country and the diversity of the nation that we are i think we're doing well do you think fiction film stories are a good way to unite the country because that's my


good way to unite the country because that's my only hope honestly or sport that's the other one definitely we must use every means i do not ascribe to this that this is the way everything that we do we must see how people can transcend the smallness of their boundaries and see at least become if not boundless at least a larger boundary which includes most people so if you don't strive for that your life will naturally be constantly in conflict with something or the other for the well-being of the individual and the well-being of the society and the nation it's very important that there is a larger identity with which we can move forward it is happening it is just that it's not being projected well see after the pandemic you mentioned the pandemic it was a serious hit okay especially in a country like ours the economic cost has been so serious most people don't understand i am in huge appreciation of the lowest level from the lowest level of worker what i have seen is from a


level of worker what i have seen is from a foolish constable from a village official to panchayat leaders and even political leaders and right up to the state governments and central government what they have done in these two years i bow down to them really you can go on picking what didn't go well but in a country like ours where infrastructure is so minimal the way we have delivered the vaccine solution and the way we have taken care of people there have been aberrations but such a large country with such little infrastructure country like united states with such massive infrastructure and such massive amount of fund see they are still shaking still shaking you know i know every one of us must be in absolute gratitude from the because we don't know who did what from the doctors nurses small you know police constables everybody strived to manage this it's not a small thing it is not a small thing 1.3 billion people if what this person speaks one language that person speaks another language dozens


speaks one language that person speaks another language dozens of languages you can't communicate in one language to everybody how to communicate a message how to make them behave responsibly how to even wear may wear a mask people are carrying you know people's level of understanding like this people are carrying a mask in their pocket they think it's like a driving license when i ask them where is your mask you're coming so close so i got it sadhguru i got it in my pocket here in my hip pocket i said it doesn't work on your bum you got to have it on your nose i'm saying i'm saying in this kind of country to effectively manage a pandemic and come out of it successfully and having a thriving economy as we're having right now is not a small thing so this it's not just one prime minister one chief minister one somebody everybody has strived isn't it from the smallest man to the biggest man everybody has strived let us not go on


man everybody has strived let us not go on giving endless negative commentary appreciate the nation if you can't appreciate the administration appreciate the nation we've bounced back right it's not a small thing so maybe i can ask you unlimited questions more but i know like you know time is tight i have to ask you about the 30 000 kilometer bike ride you're doing which i find fascinating um there's someone called wim hof they call him the iceman he uses pranayama and aspects of yoga to basically deal with freezing temperatures and i think the world notices wim hof and his abilities and often they overlook all of india's yogic leaders for their yogic abilities because we won't do such i know my mom's well i've been in conversations with him but i won't do any such circus feats i mean sir but thirty thousand kilometers no hundred kilometers starts hurting your back i can't imagine what 30 000 kilometers is like well maybe this is a good


000 kilometers is like well maybe this is a good ad for yogic back [Laughter] how's that what what's your opinion on pain with respect to the journey in front of you and generally pain as a concept pain is not a concept if you don't know that it's not a concept i can cause some pain to you you will know it's not a concept it's a living reality when you get it hello can pain be controlled by the mind see pain is of the body if there was no pain see suppose this water is hardly nine inches deep all right nine ten inches deep but you want to dive from the top of the tree if there was no pain you would have done it yes if it if it breaks your head and still there is no pain a whole lot of people would have done it right now the only thing which is making you behave sensibly at least in terms of your survival is pain without pain most people would not know how to survive either so pain is


not know how to survive either so pain is a very good thing it manages you even emotional pain that you cause because you want to be a tragic hero me no see there is only physical pain as existentially true pain that you have in your mind and in your emotion is caused by you you like to poke yourself why because you're away in life you have not found any other way to feel profound pain makes you feel profound you're from mumbai cinema world i'm saying without pain no profoundness isn't it you're always happy no artistry no artistry people think they're profound because they're in pain no you're misunderstanding pain for profoundness it's a serious mistake if it comes in loads then you will know what it is all right it'll destroy you it'll mutilate life pain yes or no human beings have been destroyed not necessarily by a sword or a gun they just break themselves down into pieces because of their own emotions and thoughts more people are mutilating themselves


and thoughts more people are mutilating themselves by themselves using the sharpness of their own mind rather than by somebody's food or gun isn't it so why is this so because you have misunderstood a few fundamental things you do not know what is real and what is not what is existentially true what is physiologically true what is psychologically true you have lost you know the boundaries of this once you lose this whatever you do it will hurt you just tell me one thing people are not suffering tell me one thing well if they are poor they suffer their poverty you make them rich they suffer the taxes yes if they're not educated they suffer that put them to school they suffer that they're not married they suffer that get them married don't tell me no children they suffer that give them children daily suffering yes so it looks like you're suffering every aspect of life so we'll offer you death oh they'll suffer that so suffering is not because of life situations


so suffering is not because of life situations suffering is because you do not know how to manage yourself you do not know how to manage your own mind your emotion your energy your your very life you do not know how to manage then everything becomes suffering physical pain is a different thing physical pain is caused by some contact or disease or injury or something that of course we must see how we keep it at the minimum in our life mosquito bites you all right but you don't have to be bitten by a bear you need to avoid that why are you taking on the pain of the bike ride you are assuming that it's painful it is it is risky not painful risky one thing is i'm riding in the winter european winter not northern european winter where it's snowing probably roads are icy being on two wheels on icy road is not a joke it's risky then i'm coming into arabia where temperatures are anywhere between 38 to 40 degrees i could melt away there


between 38 to 40 degrees i could melt away there like snow then i'm entering india in the peak of indian monsoons why someone like me i can live a good life i can live a very comfortable life because wherever i go people will take care of me any part of the world if i say tomorrow i want to live what is the most exotic place you can think of if i say i want to live in the alps mountain people will set up a home for me i don't have to have a dollar only in my pocket if i say i want to live in himalaya somebody will set up a wonderful place for me if i say i want to live on the ocean somebody will get a big yacht for me i'm telling you i can live very well and very comfortably why am i doing this because i want all of you young people to understand if we don't do this now we will regret seriously and your generation z label may come true for half the


your generation z label may come true for half the population at least if not for the whole population for half the population it may come true i want to make sure we have i have lived very well wherever you put me i because i never sought comfort i have slept in the jungles i've slept on the trees i've been head to toe by insects you know when i came back after two three weeks of being in the forest people wouldn't recognize me because head to toe insect bites you can't recognize me it's all like this my face but i didn't suffer so i've never sought comfort so i never suffered but i've lived an extremely engaging and intense life and my experience of life is in a way that i will not exchange this for anything in the universe you give me anything if you give me a mountain of gold i will not exchange this just now i was in united states in los angeles this guy comes and he wants to meet me and


guy comes and he wants to meet me and he has a presentation to make i said what is it about he said something about our online properties he wants to make a presentation i said okay let me see what it is then he comes with the presentation and shows what all is on youtube what always on all these things channels and platforms then he says and all these calculations he makes and shows satguru if you allow me i can package all this material and in today's today's value it is worth about 2.7 billion dollars i can package this for you and get you that kind of money in the next few years i said what do i do with 2.7 billion dollars get me 8 billion people that's what i'm looking for right now for a safe soil movement just get me 3.5 billion people the job will be done do that huh and if you if you get me 25 million uh earth i'll take you on a ride all right on the motorcycle your back won't break believe me


on the motorcycle your back won't break believe me challenge accepted satguru thank you maybe just one last selfish selfish question because i don't get this opportunity all the time um do you have any last piece of advice for me or whatever we're trying to do through this show i know you've kind of got a gist of it through the questions but uh just any last piece of advice for my team and myself see every generation is remembered for things they do right see right now after fifteen thousand years we're still talking about ad yogi why you think because he was tall or handsome or something no we're talking about him because of the offerings that he made to us which is still relevant to us isn't it you remember a human being through history either he did something terrible then you remember him in a wrong way or they did something with which our lives are still benefiting as a generation we have this opportunity this is a one-time opportunity in the next 10 to 15 years time


opportunity in the next 10 to 15 years time if we bring about the policy change now in the next one or two years and it will naturally take effect in next 10 to 15 years time we will be remembered as a generation who turned the planet around it was going sliding down to a you know disastrous place and we turned it around we will be remembered for that you don't have to remember me because i don't care whether you remember me or not people ask me sadhguru after your time how should you how do how would you like people to remember you i said if they are only thinking about me obviously they're living bad lives all right if they forget me the moment i'm dead that means my work is successful they're doing well they're doing great you always think it is ungratefulness which make people forget no it's joy which makes people forget you know like a very wise lady said uh you know she uh she had two of her twin girls she got them married they went in different


twin girls she got them married they went in different directions on their honeymoon one girl who was a very loving wonderful girl never sent a message never wrote nothing two months no message from her the other girl every other day she was sending messages wanting to call and talk to the mother so somebody came and asked how are you girls doing she said about the other girl who never sent a message one is doing really fine others seems to be having some trouble with her husband okay one who is happy doesn't turn back one who's really going straight and fast won't look in the rearview mirror right so i don't want to be remembered this is possible as a generation say for example even today in this country we always talk about the freedom movement all right that generation which fought for this nation maybe if you were there you would have also fought that's a different matter but you were not there somebody fought we will always remember them isn't it always remember them 75 years we still remember them


it always remember them 75 years we still remember them i'm telling you even if it's 500 years later we will still remember the people who fought for this freedom of this nation yes or no similarly right now the facts are not all out yet we will bring this out in many ways in how many ways we are at the point of disaster but we have the opportunity to turn around you don't have to go and fix the soil you just have to make your voice loud and clear that enough people enough people means sixty percent of the world's electorate must speak 3.5 billion people speak of soil for 100 days from march 21st to 100 days do this i will make sure every garment in the world will bring soil related policies into their policy system i will do this because i am fully organized with that u.n agencies are with us i am speaking at the cop 15 in iowa coast addressing 170 nations we will do this but people need to be there if people don't


this but people need to be there if people don't care why will the government do anything because the government is there only to manifest people's mandate isn't it if people's mandate is not about these concerns they will not manifest that that is the responsibility that you have use your wi-fi and little bit of your brains it helps thank you sadhguru namaskaram and just thank you for the opportunity once again thank you so that was the conversation with satguru i hope you enjoyed it and i hope it had as much of an impact on you as it did on me when i have had conversations with sadhguru in the past and there have been two conversations he's always given me some advice which pivoted the way my mind works which pivoted the way i perceive my own mind that was the highlight of this conversation for me where he spoke about the nature of thoughts and he said that there's no such thing as positive or negative thoughts again i don't know if these were his words


again i don't know if these were his words but this is what i gained from the conversation there's no such thing as positive and negative thoughts they're just thoughts you've got to learn how to separate the sensibility of your soul from the sensibility of your mind overthinking negative thoughts and sometimes even mental health issues are an outcome of giving your thoughts too much importance listening to your over stimulated mind therefore focus on spiritual growth focus on creating distance between your thoughts and your perception before speaking to satguru before visiting isha foundation coimbatore and ooty on this trip i was going through a lot of my own mental health issues a lot of overthinking and i feel like this conversation actually fixed that overthinking for me because after this conversation every time a negative thought came up every time a self-deprecatory thought came up every time dark questions came up i started observing the questions from a different place in my mind i realized that hold on these thoughts these sentences are just my mind acting


these thoughts these sentences are just my mind acting against myself i've got to perceive it and let it go i've got to stay in the moment i've got to practice mindfulness that's what i gained from this conversation might seem like just words to you but this was very pivotal for me when it comes to my own mental health and according to me in the long term this is going to be a pivotal conversation for my own spiritual growth remember all the spiritual growth that we are seeing as a team we want to share with you folks so keep following us remember to follow trs on spotify every episode's available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world this month we've got an incredible amount of spiritual conversations coming your way everything from sat pal bhai of nanak naam speaking about sikhism to amogli la prabhu of iskcon speaking about lots of deep spiritual things i'm not gonna reveal too much just watch out for the conversations that are gonna follow


watch out for the conversations that are gonna follow this particular magical conversation with satguru namaskaram god bless you so you


we're talking ghost stories we're talking adventure in the himalayas we're talking about bouncing back from a life-threatening disease because in today's episode we have one of the most interesting guests we've had on dr saurabh rani i'm not gonna speak too much about a story because i want you guys to hear it from his mouth what i will say is that this was a very hot key episode for me because recently my discovery has been that success isn't just money or fame on numbers for everybody success could mean different things and at this stage i'm gonna turn 29 this year for me a successful person is someone who's got an accumulation of experiences in their mind wider perspective and that's exactly the kind of perspective i got from dr saurabh remember to follow the runway show on spotify for even more exclusive perspectives we are spotify exclusive now every episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world and for now this is dr saurav rani with


and for now this is dr saurav rani with this exciting episode of the ranvi show enjoy yourselves [Music] welcome to the runway show dr saurav rani one of the most exciting lives you've lived i think a movie can be made on your life so glad to have you on the show uh why don't you kind of recap your entire life to start off this podcast wow that's the i'm gonna take you out to pitch me when we go outdoors that's the best pitch i've ever had best introduction but uh thanks for having me man it's great to be here um so i don't know if a movie should be made or not but yeah sure i want to believe that i have an interesting life um in short i basically joined med school specialized in physical therapy worked in physical therapy for a while while treating patients got sick spent three years on treatment got better um always was into adventure took a three-year break then went back to adventure and um through these ups


then went back to adventure and um through these ups and downs i've learned a lot of things um a lot of interesting things so maybe we can talk about that you dealt with tuberculosis like pretty early on in life yeah i was 21 um it wasn't just tb it was like extremely drug resistant tb sounds like a very scary term because it is um which basically means that most of the medicines that can cure you won't work on you so you have like a very small chance i had like a 10 chance of survival um but yeah got through it and you used to play a lot of football before that were you gonna go pro uh i didn't go pro but i used to play with like uh state level players couple of national level players um a lot of football did boxing for a while wow so yeah really like i felt like fitness was like a very a big part of me and what did the tv do to your lungs um so basically we had the wrong diagnosis


lungs um so basically we had the wrong diagnosis for six months um so i lost like both lower lobes of my lungs so which basically means that no no air entry right which means you have to surgically remove it no basically what happens is um calcium got deposited over there no identity happens after that so we did not want to do a surgical intervention but basically have to live with the fact that i have compromised lungs and that affects my life in some way even now you feel the effects yeah i mean uh i can't have the stamina that normal people can have uh physiologically in some way but uh i believe that if you push your body hard enough you can do anything so which is why you've adopted the mountains as your training ground dude the world of adventure what's this whole vibe like in your life man i feel like while adventure is definitely what i gunned for uh i wanted my personality back so you know how everyone does a lot


personality back so you know how everyone does a lot of things uh but one or two things define you for me that was fitness i mean if you think about syrup oh the guy who plays every day no matter what he plays he plays every day now i'm sick i'll sort of lost my lungs in a way and now i can't do these things right so where is saurabh who is saurabh so i went back to find myself in some way and turns out it's it's a great feeling to like reinvent yourself dude but specifically about these adventures how did that start what have you done because we've had some himalayan explorers on the show this guy called devang that was possibly one of my best conversations that we've had on the show and this guy's seen parts of the himalayas like that no one has ever seen he's he's seen like what he claims to be possibly alien structures yeah he's gone really deep into the himalayas wow so where on that


deep into the himalayas wow so where on that spectrum have your adventures happen because i know that the himalayas are really big and i'm assuming that that's your kind of place of choice i mean yeah once in two years i try to do a high altitude trek um highest i've gone is 22 500 which is like 7 100 meters um on that spectrum where is this so in nepal in um leila dark soya himalayas basically yeah that's where i tried to go but on that spectrum i would be a beginner man these guys are pros i'm a big nerd on that one but what what's it like up there dude what's it like um it's lifeless no trees lack of oxygen um you wake up every day knowing that you have to walk the whole day carry like 10 20 kgs and you don't know if you're gonna wake up the next morning why avalanches um when i was like this last trick that i did in 2019 before the world shut


that i did in 2019 before the world shut down um i was trekking in himala that's the last mountain indianapona range right extremely cold uh we were at camp one and my french climbing partner was sleeping next to me same tent and we hear this loud sound and the first thought that came to my mind was okay am i am i going to go under like a heap of snow and someone going to find me or not that didn't happen but the next morning we woke up and our sherpa told us the entire camp 3 is gone anyone who was in camp 3 no tents are found no people are found no radio contact nothing there was an avalanche there was an avalanche yeah the next night sort of you come back we went back to camp one then camp two same thing happened um and we were supposed to camp through in the next few days wow man so it's a choice you make that um yeah i'm right there i don't know if i'm gonna wake


right there i don't know if i'm gonna wake up the next morning but i think that's what makes the thrill like that's what gives you the thrill of being in the mountains have you actually seen death up close um personally i've experienced it and i've seen it also like on my last expedition the same one a guy died uh so we turned it back because of bad weather what what happened so basically the weather goes really bad as you go higher and higher sometimes apart from just lack of oxygen right as you know lack of oxygen means your decision making skills are affected um so we turned back because the temperature was dropping really badly the winds were bad and we came across these three guys who were like sharing tents next to our tent um we told them that the weather is bad you know turn back that guy's like no i've done this before right i'm just gonna keep going and we'll be fine but thank you for like caring about us you're


but thank you for like caring about us you're like listen please just don't don't do this and they're like no we're gonna be fine and uh they continued and we didn't hear back from them for two three days we when we reached the base camp again we got to know that um our three people one died um one had his arm amputated and what not so but what had happened so there's no way to find out um but the guy who actually dragged both of them he said that the temperatures went so low and they were so tired because expedition nights are like 16 18 hours long right they were so tired that one of them just like he gave up he just sat there um and yeah he wasn't ready to move at all and the other guys were like trying to drag him out of it uh one of them had his arm exposed for a longer time and what not so yeah if i hadn't turned back that would have been me so that guy basically


that would have been me so that guy basically just sat there and froze to death yeah he couldn't he couldn't make decisions correctly so they tried moving up and up and once you reach a point you need to have physical strength to come back down right you're on the rope it's an it's an incline that you have to come down from and whatnot and sometimes you just give up mentally like you just you're done you just know that okay now i cannot physically do this and um yeah the guy who actually saved them was saying something like he asked us to like let go of him but we didn't like they state that they got him back i think that's something that a lot of people don't understand about mountain adventures is that low oxygen levels can actually play a lot with your head oh absolutely this is something i've heard a lot of mountaineers speak about but what does it actually feel like when you hit like those highest peaks of those mountains what does low


those highest peaks of those mountains what does low oxygen levels feel like like you're high like you drank way too much alcohol to make any sense of anything and it just kicks in like it gradually kicks in um but i feel like when you're physically tired no anywhere you're not in the right state of mind imagine low oxygen on top of that so you lose like physical control for example the first expedition that i did in 2016 um while coming back down and most accidents happen on the way down not on the way up i was half asleep i was going all over the place i was falling down i was getting injured thankfully there were like three people on the same rope and uh you know like somehow we managed and i felt it firsthand and that's when i decided like if i'm going mountaineering i'm going to train myself to go without sleep for 16 hours with a backpack while i'm in mumbai itself and if i can do that then i will go


and if i can do that then i will go back so it took me three years to like mentally prep myself um and yeah i think that's why i made the right decision maybe yeah but when you come back down after you know being in those low oxygen levels uh does your consciousness kick in again like do you real or does it does it kind of feel like being drunk because i remember back when i used to drink if i had a night out time would pass by really fast especially after you're completely drunk right like you're looking at your watch it's 8 p.m and then suddenly it's like 2 a.m is it something like that where you don't know whether time is gone um that's a good question i don't think that's the case it's very different so the mental state of not having control on yourself is like you're being drunk uh the difference here is since you're not drunk your brain is still trying to tell you to do the right thing but you're physically not capable of


the right thing but you're physically not capable of it it's like you're in sleep paralysis right like you know what you have to do but you just can't do it and it has medical consequences for example low oxygen you can have cerebral edema you can have pulmonary edema which is which is basically your um there is edema is basically swelling right with water so yeah pulmonary edema is basically you start having water in your chest it's like drowning in some way um so yeah what do you feel you feel like breathless you feel extremely breathless you feel heavy if you cough it starts painting on your sides uh it's that's like the first starting sign uh cerebral edema is basically your brain makes no sense of the situation you can be minus 20 and you start feeling hot you start taking your sweaters off you start taking your down suit off so your brain really can't function correctly when you're up there dude with these mountain adventures um you know


dude with these mountain adventures um you know in in amongst all the kind of journeys you've been on on your own adventures what's like the most difficult day been like can you describe that like the most difficult day um the most challenging moment from all your adventures um that's a very interesting question i think on a on a personal level the most difficult day was um when when i got to know that the guy had died uh i could have been that person like if i hadn't turned back um and just thinking about what drove me to make the right choice right like what was going on in my head that we chose to turn around i could have also pushed out i could have also done it i could have also like i had the physical strength to do it um i had trained for it and what not so usually people think that the toughest moments are the ones where you know you're like physically tired and you're so done with everything for me uh just before


you're so done with everything for me uh just before i got the guy had died i was having the regret feeling like damn sure i have just pushed hard could i just have pushed a little bit harder i could see the summit right there i could have been there in three hours did i turn back was that the wrong decision did i just miss out on something it took 30 days just to get here so i think for me the toughest decision was turning back just edition of turning back and like yeah dude you know you described like the top of the mountains like barren and cold but is there positive stuff on the top of those mountains also is it just like intense and dangerous oh positive stuff you cannot feel what you feel unless you go out there for example when you go to stoke country right it's 21 000 feet oh it's in layla dark you go on top of the mountain uh you can literally draw a line where on the left you see snow-clad mountains


line where on the left you see snow-clad mountains on the right you see non-snow barren mountains like if you just look around you the clouds are beneath you you get to see these amazing things and the feeling that you've gone through whatever you had to go through to come and experience this breathe that air that you have out there just it's a feeling nothing else can give you like nothing nothing comes close to that do you feel some sort of energy at the top oh absolutely which is which is inherent to that particular mountain or that um so yes and no i think every mountain is unique right even if you go to saint like around mumbai or himalayas every mountain has its own energy it has its own history and it's like very palpable when you go there like the history makes sense to you like if you just go to a ford in mumbai also right and you know the story of what happened there and how the rocks are built in a certain way why


the rocks are built in a certain way why they are over here you feel the history you connect with the story yeah so yeah i feel like every mountain has its own energy have you seen the siri fort yeah we used to go there a lot for shoots until we found the dark history oh yeah yeah uh i remember we used to go there at about 4 p.m and just stay there till about 6 6 30 and then it used to start becoming dark and also it's in a part of mumbai which is kind of isolated right it's behind like the main city uh dude and it starts getting a little creepy yeah like uh you just you just feel very i don't know whether it's because of the lighting or yeah whatever but later on we read how many kind of battles have happened on that particular fort pretty recently actually you know the siddhis have you heard of the siddhis no man it's this uh community of african warriors that were brought to india by the


warriors that were brought to india by the mughals to fight in the mughal army so the siddhis i believe had battled with the marathas and this fort was a siddhi fort and there have been a lot of battles lots of death that that vote has seen um there's actually this section of the fort uh which is completely kind of packed inside okay it's just two massive rooms which face each other and i have reason to believe that they were some sort of a prison or something you kind of walk inside this there's no lighting wow you feel you yeah he's my camera person since years no we just we just want to head out as soon as it's dark dude yeah because it's so you just you just kind of don't want to be there it's great for photography and videography but it's too dark like just the energy of being this dark man yeah have you felt any dark energy on your adventures dark energy not really um i mean not dark energy i don't


not really um i mean not dark energy i don't know how to like say this but um you do feel different you feel like you know people have died on this path you know that someone is walking on the steps that i walked never made it back home and i'm still like walking on this it's a very different feeling it's a very very different feeling and if you have to look it from a very dark perspective you feel like how many people had to die for someone to know how to tie the ropes correctly for someone to know how this road like is safe it's safe for people to go and now you feel you feel like okay damn so many people died so i could succeed like is that it and again this is just maybe my dark side but yeah if you have that feeling sure have you seen any like wild animals on your treks i mean mountain goats that's about it there is no life there is no life right like if you don't see trees you won't see animals that


you don't see trees you won't see animals that eat grass and stuff so till the point you can see grass you will see animals once you cross that line you just you're not going to see anything yeah we saw yaks at the base camp but like that's about it what are they like are they wild um in some way in some way they are they are huge they are huge like i've never seen an animal that big before um i've seen horses not horses mules because they like carry all your stuff all the way to the base camp so you see a lot of mules um but any life apart from humans at that point is such a bliss otherwise you just see like these humans full of adrenaline wanting to like go to the top and like there's just that rush everywhere and like everyone's just struggling struggling to breathe struggling to eat you don't get hungry you're supposed to like force feed yourself so there's this you know like this is hustle at the base


you know like this is hustle at the base camp also when you're going up and in the middle of that you see this one yark who's like chilling you guys go ahead man i'm just gonna sit here is it an aggressive animal at all nope just very chill very chill very chill yeah but um you used to know these mules right like they carry so much weight for us like cylinders and whatnot and sometimes on the way to the base camp like it takes like 10 12 days to just reach the base camp sometimes on these tricky turns a mule falls down with all your stuff what the f in it yeah like this down the mountain yeah you just yeah and um you look for me i feel like if my stuff's gone that's fine like some animal had to die so that i can go to the base camp and this is not a necessity of my life and why am i here like that's the first thing that hits you like i'm here for my pleasure or my


you like i'm here for my pleasure or my exploration in some way i'm so privileged but like an animal had to die so that i can get to the base camp so like i go into that mode very quickly and then i snap out of it um but yeah you get connected to animals man but this happens on the regular it's quite yeah it happens quite often and how do they fall they slip they slip and they slip so the roads are very narrow right even like there are no fixed ropes or anything when you're going to the base camp like you stay in a village sometimes or you like put your own tent or something the roads are pretty narrow sometimes there's a slope and like you can just put one foot at a time and what not and mules it's with like 20 kgs like three cylinders and whatnot how do you expect them to do this when i can't do it with like 10 20 kgs right so they fall sometimes you see the death happening yeah you


fall sometimes you see the death happening yeah you do sometimes you even see them suffer like what they break a leg they hit a stone on the way down and um you have to go get your stuff if they're not too too down like they are not too far away from you you can actually like wrap it down and get your stuff if you can uh you see that broken leg like them like screaming and yelling and whatnot and yeah man it's it's it's painful but then what happened they just left there no so we we keep moving sometimes one sherpa like calls for help or something they have these um you know these sat phones so they try to do that but um if you can't see the mule then yeah it's gone you can't you can't do anything but the ones you can see are then rescued i have no idea i just walked past them unfortunately damn which is dark again but yeah you have to stay on pace you have very small window of climbing if you missed


have very small window of climbing if you missed that window then you missed climbing for the season and you tracked all the way for nothing for people who just want to summit yeah you know um i mean i've had very little trekking experience i've gone for a few hikes but that's about it i brought up this mountain and jibby we had climbed on your visa place in himachal incredibly beautiful incredibly spiritual great energy in that mountain man but i remember when we were near the summit our guide kind of told us to run hit the summit and then start returning because he could see a cloud formation happening he could see clouds coming in uh and that meant rain which also possibly meant snow it was during the winter and it happened so fast like one minute it was sunny the next minute it became like super grey yeah and he just flipped out and i realized how much of a slave to weather you are yeah on the top of a mountain yeah


you are yeah on the top of a mountain yeah that made me think of you guys yourself you guys if you all are in the middle of some big mountain you also have your tent you can't even go back probably right yeah i mean that must be a massive fear just this gray cloud cover suddenly coming in and and what people don't understand especially if not climb mountains is that weather is extremely random at the top of a mountain you can't predict it that's very true i think that's true for even sea like i go sailing sometimes uh with a friend of mine who knows how to like handle a sailboat all by himself and one other person so there's no motor no nothing you're completely controlled by wind right and once he took me with him and he asked me to basically control the boat's you know direction or something you realize how much of a slave you are you can't control the tide you can't control the wind all you can do is like you can


the wind all you can do is like you can believe that you're in control and you can just be grateful that nothing bad is happening because in one second the sea can change its mood and you're done this is outside bombay this is slightly away from bombay like you start from bombay and then you can like go outdoors a little bit i had no idea bombay had like these sailboat races and whatnot and yeah i that was the first time i explored it with him what's that like dude like the sea that's kind of near mumbai um it's very commercial um pool have you done this um so i wanted to do it but they say that uh you have to go observe for the first one or two times why i don't know they say it's a different feeling altogether so though you've been in a pool once you go into the water the deep water it it changes how your mind like perceives how you float or something like it's very different yeah it's very different they


like it's very different yeah it's very different they say that open sea swimming is something that you should do with experienced people only and that too often after you observe once or twice like don't really jump in the water but what do you think can go wrong um i think you'll just freeze maybe that's the first thing that goes wrong as in your body will just yeah you just don't know what decisions to make for example when you're in a pool intuitively you like start moving your legs then you start like swimming and whatnot this is that when you're there you just feel like you're not in control swimming in a swimming pool is a very controlled environment is it because of wild animals not just wild animals it's because i think it could be the waves it could be the depth you don't know what's beneath you you don't know how you're going to respond if something happens there are no lifeguards there is nothing even though you have people who might save you it's a very different


have people who might save you it's a very different feeling altogether dude i would also assume that the sea near mumbai and by saying neo i mean like really close to the city is pretty dirty right there's sewage there's pollutants yeah um so how far in is this section of the sea that you're talking about um i'm not really sure if i can quantify it but it takes maybe it takes a while to get there that's all i like four hours maybe uh two to three hours because uh i i honestly i slept because they leave so early in the morning um they also have their rules like when they swim how they swim etc um then this other thing is somewhere between india and the gulf i'm assuming i mean yeah if you're near bombay there's just one direction you can go right you can go down um yeah but even then you'll be between between the car itself right like we are on on the same coast in some way um but like for me like since


in some way um but like for me like since we're talking about adventures right there is the mountains there's a sea and then there are these deserts so i'd watched marco polo and i thought it was really cool how the silk root was there and the toughest patch in the silk road is the gobi desert so i start researching turns out there are people who walk the entire gobi desert like they used to back in the day as a thrill right now it's a thousand miles they walk in 60 days and turns out a girl from pune who had a normal job she's like 33 or 34 she did the whole thing and now my next fascination is dude i need to train for this i want to walk through the entire gobi desert and see how that feels i'm done with the mountains i'm done with the sea not completely done with the sea but i've experienced the sea a little bit but now i want to go see how the desert


but now i want to go see how the desert feels like that's a different ball game altogether what do you think that challenge is like the heat the dryness the heat the dryness the lack of life um i think the the texture that you're walking on it's very different like imagine rocks when you're in the mountains then snow then you go down to like the water there's buoyancy right like you're floating and whatnot and then you're walking in sand which is extremely hot the surrounding is different you're like seeping your foot in every time you walk you can't train unless you're like running on sand and whatnot and um just seeing the same thing every day you're just seeing the same damn thing every day what kind of mental condition do you need to go through 60 days of that that's where mirages come into play right like maybe that's why they say that oh you see mirages in the distance yeah yeah yeah you see a mirage you think you're looking at something beautiful and then you


you think you're looking at something beautiful and then you go then there's nothing yeah your mind playing tricks on you yeah yeah mine does play tricks on you right it might be the whole simulation where if you're actually seeing the same environment for such a long time you start to go crazy a little bit oh absolutely like people in the sea also right like people who are on the sea for a very long time they see nothing but water and the horizon i have no idea what they go through yeah that's that's what they attribute uh mermaid sightings to oh really old olden times sailors who used to claim that oh we saw a mermaid people say that no you're just probably missing your girlfriend or your wife and your mind is playing tricks on you because all you've seen for so many months is just the open waters probably but you know what that's a very interesting point uh because i read somewhere that we know more about the space than we do about oceans so who are we to assume that


do about oceans so who are we to assume that we know everything about the oceans and someone was just hallucinating or where do you draw the line between hallucinations and reality and whatnot so um whenever someone says something i give them the benefit of doubt of course i don't believe in mermaids but i do feel like there's some mistakes out there that yeah we don't know 100 there are mysteries out there that we don't know about so like we were heading to goa four of us and we stopped in a village and you know village is not very well lit so there was just one small bridge and one like street light and on the other side of the bridge was like this haunted house right all the villagers were telling us uh like after evening don't go there there'll be ghosts like someone was killed their bodies are not found and whatnot and they said the house lures you in like it calls out to you and we started laughing you're like you know what


and we started laughing you're like you know what nothing like this happens so tonight we were walking back and we came across that bridge and four dudes right and we saw a very pretty girl sitting over there like very pretty girl like someone that you can't imagine would be sitting uh in an attire in a village and all four of us saw the girl because we all started talking like dude do you see that girl she's so pretty like she's so good looking should we go talk to her should we say hi and like is she coming to go or not or something like that and we walked past her right because we we couldn't make that leave we didn't go and talk to her we walked past you describe the scene so that's when it gets like creepy so we walked a little ahead and i was like dude i love girls who have short hair and my friend says are you crazy dude she had long hair and the other friend says yeah man i mean i love


the other friend says yeah man i mean i love girls who wear like indian and whatnot and my other friend says no she was wearing western so basically we all saw something that would lure us closer to her all of us are different images of the same girl sitting right there and i was like man could you describe what you saw i saw girl with short hair she was wearing indian and uh she looked at me and she looked down uh in some way and weirdly that's what i find really uh attractive sometimes when you're like yeah you make eye contact and you shy away and then uh you know it's a sign that i'm shy you should come talk to me or something like how did whoever that thing was or what energy that was knew what i liked and it was showing me exactly what i wanted to see so that i would come to that side and from there i have just been like okay i'm not going to mess with energies i don't understand have you


to mess with energies i don't understand have you have you encountered other energies on your adventures yeah so hallucinations when you're on the mountains and you have like low oxygen sometimes you hallucinate uh so i think this was when i was like extremely tired while we were going from camp one to camp two i could barely put like one step ahead of the next weirdly i could hear my mom's voice calling out to me saying that uh come back come back i'm like that is so weird like i'm like right i just have to go there now why are you saying come back come back um and then i looked around i couldn't see anything then i saw some footsteps and i was very weird just very very weird i did make it to camp too everything was safe um but yeah i hear sounds sometimes i see footsteps uh sometimes you see someone near the next flag where you're supposed to go but when you reach there they're not there so like lack of oxygen


there they're not there so like lack of oxygen really plays with your head or it unlocks portions of your head that you don't know exists yeah it gives you experience that you've not had before yeah er rahman was on the show and he spoke about how in sufism and this is not just sufism right this is a lot of spiritual schools they talk about filters that are placed in your head and the purpose of these filters is that it filters out things that your mind is not ready to see yet interesting so the purpose of spiritual growth is to remove these filters one by one and as you grow spiritually eventually you unlock so many filters that you're able to understand and observe and absorb things that a normal human would not be ready to observe understand and absorb yet maybe darker energies maybe higher energies maybe energies that you know are beyond your own understanding at this point and that's one of the journeys of spiritual growth that's very interesting um you know i've tried to like


very interesting um you know i've tried to like meditate and like try to become spiritual in that way i suck so bad at it like i'm just not able to do it dude i mean your mountaineering is a sort of adventure how is just going to say that something it's a sort of spiritual growth yeah i was just going to say that right sometimes putting yourself in situations that you haven't been in before unlocks a part of you that you don't know which also then like contributes to like how you see things how you absorb things how you feel things etc so while i like completely like i'm all for like go ahead meditate like you know have that spiritual growth in that way i also think that like physically putting yourself in situations is a very different kind of physical and like spiritual growth in a different way um you know i remember i i was dealing with a really bad tennis elbow and we were on this trek we were on the infamous kiriganga


this trek we were on the infamous kiriganga trek in india and all that and that was from my party and face but i had a really bad tennis elbow then on the way up to here ganga we met this hermit kasadu basically very peaceful dude sitting there had a little cottage and i went up to him and i said that hey man you learn it like i didn't say it like that i spoke very peacefully respectfully in hindi and i said that you'll learn it and i've been dealing with this tennis elbow for so long i've tried physiotherapy i've tried all sorts of treatment and it's not leaving me what do i even do and he said that keep growing spiritually your spiritual growth will eventually heal this as well and that's actually what happened in retrospect i actually took up a reiki course when i came back to bombay and the reiki course was a big kind of healer for me for that tennis elbow but what that


for me for that tennis elbow but what that hermit also told me is that spiritual growth people often assume is just meditation but it's not like that drops fill up your cup of spirituality and eventually become an ocean of spirituality so even when you're praying even when you're just being a nice person even when you're putting your mind and body through adventures that's also spiritual growth and eventually your cup keeps filling up you become more self-aware you become more spiritual more of those filters get lifted off maybe one day you can go out with some friends and you see a woman outside yeah man but the physical therapist inside me like opposes this when you're healing your physical pain through like it's just medical bias i guess right no yeah and i hear you and that's exactly what i thought yeah uh but for me one thing i've learned over the course of my own life is your experiences will never lie to you oh yeah so i do feel that there's something in reiki


so i do feel that there's something in reiki and i've still not been able to put my um you know you know like how okay when i was going through physiotherapy uh i went to this good sports physio clinic and they give me something called electromagnetism treatment or something where they put this like ultrasound or something yeah i don't they put this machine on your arm and they say that listen this machine there's no scientific backing for this but we've seen that it works okay so let's try it and they give it to you as the second or third treatment if needling and all that hasn't worked okay dude and that gave me a lot of relief like that but it i mean the pain came back eventually yeah the pain only went when i went vegetarian and i combined it with reiki yeah which is what we were talking about before uh the podcast actually began no explanation for it dude yeah uh i asked some spiritual people later that why did this happen so they said


people later that why did this happen so they said that your pain wasn't just a manifestation of physical injury but it was also mentally injury yeah like you were putting a lot of pressure on yourself which is psychosomatic in some way yeah yeah and there is a linkage uh between healing and just mental peace oh yeah absolutely 100 i'm assuming that the biological side of healing is that your cortisol levels which is stress hormone it reduces in your body and when that hormone reduces um there's just more room for your for your healing mechanisms to kick in yeah that and also i mean um you've heard this term right like i'm not able to sleep because i'm stressed or i'm not able to sleep because i have too many things on my mind dude sleep is the ultimate recovery tool you know you can hit the gym five hours a day every day and not make a physique if you don't sleep properly so i feel like when you're mentally sorted yeah you


i feel like when you're mentally sorted yeah you just sleep better and it sleep solves so many issues for you um and about reiki and stuff right like i don't understand them but i don't deny them either like when it works it works and on a broader note what it tells you is um the world works very weirdly uh everything that works doesn't have evidence but everything that has evidence is supposed to work for us so we've seen some intense like how devon saw alien structures have you seen any weird out there weird um something that messed with your head i saw chunks of like frozen eyes from the avalanche of the previous night and i walked through them um which is in a way a little messy because you know that oh what i'm walking on right now just like damaged a bunch of people before um i haven't seen alien structures but um i've seen trees of a size i never imagined i would see um i've seen different colors which you wouldn't get to


i've seen different colors which you wouldn't get to see here like i i can't even describe them they just glow the flowers are very different the green is very different um so like i said right you can't substitute that experience like i i would love to talk about it but unless you get there and you see it for yourself you you wouldn't realize what i'm talking about as a matter of fact when i was there i had this weird thought that our plants aliens because when we think about aliens we give them like three heads like six hands because that's our imagination is so limited what about plants they would actually be aliens right they don't eat what we eat they don't talk like we talk but they are living creatures they do grow they use sunlight they use soil could they be aliens yeah this is the kind of weird thing that like occurs in your mind when you're like going through the mountains or doing adventure damn son yeah i just want to know more about some other


yeah i just want to know more about some other dangers you face dude is there anything you've not brought up on this podcast yet i mean dangerous yeah this like this one trek that we were doing um a bunch of us started at like nine o'clock in the night and the summit usually means that you have to trek for like 10-12 hours to get to the top and then another four five six hours to come back down so on the way where was this this was in layla dark and um on the way we got stuck because there was a snowstorm half of the people decided that they would go back because they didn't want to take the risk i was naive at that time i decided that i'll just listen to what my team leader says or my share passes and he was like let's wait for 20 minutes or 30 minutes and let's see if it goes away if it doesn't we'll have to turn back but it'll become too dangerous if we don't turn back at the


too dangerous if we don't turn back at the right time so you guys decide my my suggestion is we wait for 20 minutes and i was like no i want to go to the summit like i wonder this i want to do this i want to do this uh the snowstorm went on for an hour and you were stuck there and until i do a snowstorm it feels heavy heavy on your body heavy on your mind um you're like you're you're just covered in snow completely stuck at one spot with like your crampons on and like one foot is here one foot is there you have like this backpack with you one person ahead on the rope one person behind on the rope and you're just standing waiting waiting waiting waiting just waiting for something to happen something like does it hurt physically oh of course it does yeah your ankles are not made to take so much weight and balance yourself for so long right so what you do is you find a spot where you can maybe park yourself


you find a spot where you can maybe park yourself but you wait um so we waited waited waited and after 20 minutes our sherpa said that basically now we should turn back i'm not sure what's going to happen but i was stupid so i said no let's wait fortunately um you know in like 45 minutes or something it went off and like the weather cleared out but during those 20 minutes plus to the next spot where the weather cleared out everyone was bricks we couldn't go forward we couldn't go back people who hadn't made it till here already turned back people who were forward half of them were going back initially itself so basically we became the first group that submitted that day because everyone ahead of us went behind but anything would have happened in those 20 minutes anything like someone could have slipped and fell down someone could have gotten sick and tired and decided i don't want to do this anymore someone could have uh you know basically like gone nuts like they could have


you know basically like gone nuts like they could have started taking their sweater off or something because they were making bad decisions anything could have happened someone could have just slept because this was at what 1 am and people already tired or we could just all get buried in snow or something like a rock would fall on top of us because when it does snow uh sometimes like rocks become loose or something you never know what's going to happen so those 20 minutes it's like john hartley you're just sitting and waiting what were you thinking about man i was thinking am i making a stupid decision by saying that i want to stay and convincing three other people on the same road like no no let's stay let's do this we want somebody we want something we want to sum it it's called the summit fever like this adrenaline that just keeps you going like no i want to go there i want to go there where your motivation takes away your logic absolutely yeah and that's why


takes away your logic absolutely yeah and that's why most injuries happen when you decline when you're coming back down because now there is no summit fever now there is no original nothing to like push you or look forward to is this the closest you've been to that um no the closest was this other time the 2019 trick so there's like this 70 degree slope that you have to climb to go to camp three um we went from camp one to camp three in one day because we want to stay at camp three and cam three has only place for two tents so you reach there and you camp out this is also in layla no this was in nepal the last mountain in the underpinner range so while going there the sun started going down because clearly we mismanaged our time so our share paths went up they started pitching the tent and like whatever getting the heat heating the water and stuff and when you do mountaineering your day gear is different from your night gear because it the sun is


different from your night gear because it the sun is so hot in the day and other nights it's very cold so we are barely layered right my climbing partner is a little bulky so he takes time so i make sure he's always in the front so that we don't lose him behind anywhere so he was going up and the sun started going down and we were on this slope with like all our gear and like trying to hold on to ourselves and the temperature dropped so suddenly that his hand started freezing like he couldn't like hold his jammer and like push himself up so you're supposed to like press down go up release so it gets like locked and then you pull yourself up he couldn't do that and his hand wasn't moving yeah he's like it's too cold like my hands are not moving properly because we were not geared for the cold right we had like these thin gloves you need like proper gloves if you want to do that and and you know from a