whole it's not well one thing i would tell young people though is that you know even if you are a financial services professional you will screw up in your 20s with your money management i mean i have made major mistakes um and out of recklessness or lack of knowledge and it's okay because if you make them in your 20s um you make them when you're not very rich i mean you have your life to earn right so it's better to start learn invest a little bit make mistakes hopefully in five years you'll learn something and you'll learn what suits you personally right and then you'll be okay so it's okay to make mistakes in your 20s in fact inevitably you will make mistakes you make mistakes in your career also right so why not in money and these financial mistakes are uh being spoken about by someone who created an extremely successful financial services business and then got bought over by advice so i mean tons of mistakes which is okay so i mean i'm guessing that you finally got


so i mean i'm guessing that you finally got your first client that led to a snowballing effect where you did a good job for that person so then you got more clients so i got my first outside client and this is a really hilarious thing i mean it's about social media so the first few clients we got were all friends and family right i just again want to cut you short for a second just to explain to the listeners that i'm guessing the business model here is you manage someone's money and the profits you make on that money you take a cut from those no so again that's so you manage someone's money and you charge a small fee for managing that money so it could be like one two percent is typically the fee sometimes in some products you charge something above the profit so like if i make 15 then i'll take something of that but the basic money that we make is a small it's like a bank charge it's called a management fee in our business so it's a fixed fee for


fee in our business so it's a fixed fee for managing your money typically it's one to two percent of your money that we charge um yeah but then what so what happened once you got your so first few clients were all friends and family uh then i got this advice from someone very famous in financial services i won't take his name i was like okay so all the clients were getting our friends and family now how do we get on friends and family because you want to run out of that bank of people right um and you're a young kid so he said you know there are all these tv channels like cnbc and et now et cetera he's like india man he actually said this in hindi he's like i mean whatever is visible actually sells so he's like you have to promote your brand you have to go out and build a brand so i remember going on linkedin and talking to all these journals and i'm like can i show up on your tv channel that's what i did and i


on your tv channel that's what i did and i started writing articles on money control my first external client actually was a guy who read an article of ours in money control and he showed up to our office he lived in honey showed up to our office which is a little industrial estate in wali and he gave us two crores at that point in time when we had a total of two crores he gave us another two crores and he didn't know us and he just liked what we had said in the media that's actually how we got and then the business grew from there in fact it's it's it's unfortunate but he died two three months ago in the lockdown but he remained an investor with us for ten years you've written a thread about this on your twitter yeah please please go follow radhaka i'm on twitter you are one of the reasons uh that i say that there's a new wave of twitter happening in this country so people's perception of twitter is that it's


country so people's perception of twitter is that it's entirely political which is not true it's it's one of the easiest ways to grow your mind it's a very underutilized tool in the world share your thoughts good or bad yeah i think you discovered us also off twitter i'm guessing i discovered most cool people i know of twitter i mean twitter has done so much for me and i just think that people complain a lot about twitter but if you look at the positive side of twitter twitter has like we're a young brand it's totally democratized i mean in the earlier days marketing was about having big budgets etc now you can have good content and twitter gives you reach as an individual and as a brand so i love twitter and you know if five percent of people are trolling me hey it's okay it's all good yeah um i think that's a modern life hack you just need to learn how to embrace the concept of trolling early in life yeah and you will be able to grow


in life yeah and you will be able to grow massively don't you get trolled offline doesn't some relative tell you we are too both motivated i mean don't you get trolled offline so why do you get why do you object to online trolls and uh it's it's a part of the new modern human experience yeah so it's it's all i actually have fun with them sometimes um i've chosen to not talk to them but i have fun reading them uh trolling in twitter being trolled in the corporate world by older guys yeah so uh how why did edelweiss buy you guys out like what does a big company like i don't advise perceive in a privately owned company and say that okay we need to buy these people is it that they want to buy the assets which is people like you that i want or radhika gupta to work at it do they see that do they see all the portfolios you're managing so i think it's a combination and you know selling your company is a super


combination and you know selling your company is a super emotional thing and we talked to a lot of buyers we actually spent about 9 12 months in this whole acquisition process how long did you actually run the company before four and a half five years 2009 to 2013. so long enough and then we started this process of kind of selling the business and honestly we spoke to companies bigger and smaller other needle wise now people think these deals are done only for the money and you know you sell your startup for xyz i can promise you and you know you've said that you wanted to talk to it always you know and work for them out of college the reason we picked advice was the brand and the culture um in you have to find see financial services businesses are not food businesses where you just sell it and you walk away they buy the business for the founders because they expect the team will hang on now if you as a group of people have to work with a company afterwards your primary criteria is


to work with a company afterwards your primary criteria is dude is this a place i want to work so it's a marriage rather than a buyout absolutely and i said this again and again when i did the deal that it's a partnership it's not an acquisition and you know people always in fact when we sold the business people kept saying they're going to eat you alive corporate india is going to because this was our first time working in indian corporates they were like oh it will be a lala company it will eat you alive i mean all the standard stuff thankfully they have not eaten me alive and in fact the partnership was a four-year partnership after which you know my husband and i could have moved on but we haven't moved on right we've steered and growed um one of the things i like about idle voice and this is very rare i don't think they get enough credit is it's one of the few financial services companies in india that really cares about young talent most


in india that really cares about young talent most of the ceos are super young i mean there are a lot of ceos who are in the 35 40 age that doesn't happen in this country um like we just like people with gray hair i mean i got this opportunity when i was 33 so you have to give something to people what do you think they saw on you at 33 i think with it wise it's always been a passion to do something they know that the good or the advantage of young people is that they are passionate and they adapt to change so if you want to challenge your brand you have to be someone who is open to changing right you have to be someone who is like okay i don't care what anyone else is doing i don't care if i'm small i'm just going to go out and make a mark so i think that ability to adapt and change in young people is something that they like to take a bet on and because they saw that in me i've had


and because they saw that in me i've had the confidence to hire young people in my team so most of my hiring has been very young ma'am like i know like you're one of the most humble people i've spoken to and uh i've spoken to ceos where i don't sense humidity uh and i hate doing this to you but i read a very very interesting stat about what happened at idlewise after you took over yeah uh could you just share some of those just like that number with the viewers about those many billions of dollars that you're managing now and what you're aiming for in 2025 okay yeah so one is the aspirations are super large so i've seen it wise mutual fund and we have ranks right in our industry of 45 mutual funds like a hierarchy yeah it's like it's literally it takes the money you manage which is called assets under management so that's the money you manage so i may manage 100 crores you may manage 200 crores and you'll be ranked


you may manage 200 crores and you'll be ranked yeah you're ranked based on that and these ranks come out every quarter and there's like a lot of social media who play about these ranks so it's a very league table obsessed industry um so i've seen us as 36th rank we just broke into the top 50 in this quarter which we're super excited about uh and i've seen us manage six thousand crores of money which is a little less than a billion dollars and we probably manage a little less than 50 000 crores of money in the last few years from 6 000 to 50 000 yeah and i mean look the aspiration is and i've said this in interviews that we want to manage three lakh crores um people also ask you know what's the strategy to get to three lakh crores and i don't think i have an answer to that i don't think you need to have answers to that even at 6 000 crores i don't think i had an answer as to how we'll


think i had an answer as to how we'll get to 50 000 but i did know that from six i'm gonna grow this business to nine and ten and from ten i'll grow it to fifteen so life is a series of small steps taken daily and as you take those small steps a little bit more confidence develops in you a little bit of luck also comes into play a few opportunities come and you grab them and you know lo and behold you grow the term ceo is intimidating yeah especially on the outside amateur listeners college kids we don't even know what a ceo does so i have two questions one do every like do all the companies have different roles for their ceos and two what does your life as a ceo entail like what do you do like what's your what's your daily work okay so the daily work changes day one day but um i think it's unfortunate that i see your role is intimidating and i've had these debates with my father i think the old model of this


with my father i think the old model of this your role being intimidating in itself is a problem i don't think the ceo is the one who sits in the corner office and like everybody is really scared of the ceo who's going to walk in i think a ceo is a people's leader right the coach of the team the coach of the team the mentor of the team the guide of the team and it's your one among equals and i always say that you know organizations have these designations etc we're all playing roles but the ceo is i think a few things one you lead a team and i think i spent 50 percent of my time doing hr by the way i literally spent 50 percent i mean you think it is the easiest thing to do to hire a bunch of smart people and you just assume they're all going to work together they don't you have to facilitate it you manage egos you manage interpersonal issues sometimes you'll just be sitting in meetings where the only you


just be sitting in meetings where the only you have no technical contribution right because i'm not a technical expert in every department right but i'm just there to facilitate two people working together or i'm there to just motivate a team and then tell them that they can do it um so i think firstly we are people leaders secondly and i think you will understand this well we are also carriers of the brand um because you know in your ceo os mutual fund your responsibility is to carry the message of edelweiss mutual fund everywhere that you go and make sure that people think the highest about always mutual funds so i like wake up every day thinking like i represent the brand and i have to be the best ambassador of the brand i mean this is something i learned from my father so he said i'm ambassador of india right he start his title all these years was ambassador of india and all his life he spent marketing india and making sure that people thought the best about india


and making sure that people thought the best about india and i think of myself as an ambassador of mutual funds so i think that's the second role that we do and then of course you know you do a lot of routine stuff and you manage business and you make sure the company is profitable and all that stuff happens um but first you're a leader of people and you're an ambassador of the brand the one common thing i've seen in all the ceos i've met is yeah they have different personalities different ways about going about things but all of them are good communicators like any any thoughts that they have and it's often a massive amount of thoughts they will articulate it very simply so i'm told this and i didn't believe this um but actually i over time i've realized that i think it matters because you know it's one thing to have thoughts and in india i don't think it's as much about thoughts it's about convincing a large number of people that this is


convincing a large number of people that this is what if i say tomorrow we all have to wear red t-shirts because that's what's going to be good for the company it's about convincing everyone that they have to wear a red t-shirt tomorrow and making sure that they wear a t-shirt tomorrow and that is communication and i i think you know i think a ceo has to be an optimist and has to be a communicator because you have to lift people up and inspire them what would you like to tell young girls or watching this and telling themselves i'll never be a ceo it starts with you believing that you'll be a ceo in fact you know the thing that irritates me or inspires me the most when i interview fresh candidates uh is i ask them look what do you want to be in life and then they'll say you know i just want to be a manager or like i want to grow and i want to hear that you want to be a ceo this is a


that you want to be a ceo this is a beautiful little quote that i read a long time ago as a kid that if you aim for the stars you will reach halfway through so if you am for less than a ceo i don't know where you'll get i mean it's like if you wanted to play cricket and your son or you aimed to be a cricketer you would always say i want to be tandulkar i want to play for the national team nobody says i'm going to be a ranjit trophy player or i'm going to play for my state team so i think the biggest thing to tell little girls and guys is set aspirations here be hugely ambitious and ambitious is not a bad word it's not a bad word for a girl yeah and i also want to highlight this other thing told to me by money she was a common friend and this is also something i only learned after starting my own businesses and like learning about professional life through people like yourself it's


learning about professional life through people like yourself it's a beautiful concept and there's something even mukesh mania said himself he said that it took my dad maybe 40 years to build out his legacy it probably took me 20 years to build out a much larger legacy and it will take my kids 10 years to build on a much larger legacy than what i've built in 20 years and the reason for that is india yeah the spectrum and the number of people that we have this is something that young people underestimate like i remember being an engineer in college and i always had the same question that why are these people living so low in life like uh and i had that perspective fortunately because of having a lot of business savvy friends outside of engineering college you weren't studying engineering you were studying bba who were running their own businesses in college i used to talk much more to them and i said have this disconnect with my engineering college friends and i asked my business away friends in the engineering college do you


my business away friends in the engineering college do you sense this with all these other people like why are they aiming so low and they told me that dude it's just cultural upbringing they've been told that you're in engineering college you better have a stable job at the end of it and that's it it's that whole uh settle yeah and at the core of it it's a status game the parents want to be able to tell their friends that oh my kids got a great job yeah and then if you're a woman then you have kids and all that but why am low at least start by aiming really really high and i think this is this is definitely an ivy league education it forces you to aim really really high at least start thinking that you're the best in the world right i you know one of the things i always used to tell my team even when we were ranked 36 is that you know the league table can call your rank anything okay that's reality but in your head you have to


that's reality but in your head you have to be number one [Music] and in your head you have to be number one because if you think like number 36 in your head you will always stay at number 36. 100 um you know and one thing i've learned about business and entrepreneurship and careers is that anything is possible oh yeah oh my god you you can aim for the sas and it'll just boil down to how much you're willing to execute and sometimes you know i've seen this in my last three year career uh you know things like bharatpar and some of the things that we've done i mean opportunities come at you and you think there's no chance that i am going to have to get this you know why would this come to me why would i get this and it just happens if you want it hard enough i mean look so don't judge me for this i am a total shahrukh khan fan of crime and i actually really believe that whole dialogue about actually


i actually really believe that whole dialogue about actually the world conspires you to make you to succeed yeah um my my my reason for choosing this career and not creating say comedy content or light-weighted content is that i want to breed entrepreneurship in india i want to share my mistakes i want to share the fire i've been blessed i've been born with a lot of fire and i just want to put it out there for the world and i you know if there's ever a hundred billionaires of the world list i want 50 to be from india and i want oh wow 49 to be like listeners of this podcast i know it's too high a name but at least they should have heard one podcast and got some i want 25 of them to be women i i really hope so i want 25 of them to be women i want that to be a change through the podcast um and i'll tell you why again um there's this concept i read about a lot so it's this concept


concept i read about a lot so it's this concept of matriarchal societies uh i believe that um bhutan is a matriarchal society parts of the northeast yeah parts of the northeast kerala and you know what it does it i've been to the northeast i've been and spoken to men from matriarchal societies again i will get hate from this because um you know india does have its section of oh yeah yeah people who do not believe at all in this concept anytime i say something pro woman on twitter there's like ten percent of people who are going to hate me yeah it's just it's okay that's okay we'll we'll bear some of those arrows short uh why do you think a matriarchal society is good for the earth i'll let you take that answer first and then i'll give my own perspective also could you just explain on matriarchal societies and very simple words to the listeners so i think matriarchy is where women play a strong role in society i


is where women play a strong role in society i think you mentioned kerala in the northeast i've also seen this my mother-in-law hills from bangalore um and i think the advantage of a matriarchal society and forget matriarchal society of lifting women is that when you lift a woman you live a community and when you lift a community you lift an economy just want to give a nugget like a story here yeah yeah in israel so the country was developed after world war ii yeah where they had jews from all over europe and all of the world settled into israel yeah but they didn't know how to unify everyone so they did this very interesting thing where they made hebrew compulsory and hebrew was like their sunscreen like this is a unifying thing yeah sanskrit is kind of it's dying out in india it's coming back slowly yeah it's coming back gradually like people are getting interested in sanskrit again but hebrew was a language that had entirely died out and the


a language that had entirely died out and the government didn't know how to bring back hebrew completely so they made hebrew compulsory for everyone till fourth standard but for all the girls still tell stanford because the girls would become mothers and they would teach the entire families that's the core concept of matriarchy that women have this ability to unify to what we call galvanize so galvanizing and engineering is when you dip in other metal and zinc and the whole metal gets covered in zinc that's the power of matriarchal society when people learn to look at societies businesses life like that and not just i don't want women to get power i want men to be in power that's when we'll really start so we had uh you know my mother-in-law had this maid and i think i've told this story before from bangalore um and she i think maybe would have been fourth or fifth pass and she came to bombay and she started working with my mother-in-law now she


and she started working with my mother-in-law now she didn't know any english i think kannada medium or whatever and then was forced to drop out of school to support a big family of brothers etc so she brought up my husband and then i think when my husband's aunt went abroad she went abroad with her and she traveled the world she learned english she did everything came back to bombay and she was able to migrate two or three of her sisters from the village into bombay she was able to settle down her family and buy them land in bangalore and she became a base for other girls of that community in bangalore to come settle down in bombay so that is the galvanizing effect that a woman can have she now by the way she paid for her own wedding she's now sending her two daughters to english medium schools and i think that shift now from hindi kannada medium fourth standard drop out to sending your daughters and getting them educated but that is an orbital shift


and getting them educated but that is an orbital shift in our society right ma'am uh like what do you think are the strengths and weaknesses of both men and women like could you list out strengths and weaknesses of women and also strengths and weaknesses of men so i won't say men and women i'll say masculine and feminine because i do believe that there are feminine qualities that also exist in men but um i do believe the world actually if you look at the skill set of the future it favors the feminine skill set so the old skill set which was the masculine skill set is analytical i mean like you know you remember these books that used to say if two men can do a task in this much time then how many you know like we can screw a light bulb then how many men will it take to do four light bulbs etc so it was all commoditized stars i mean nobody wrote those things about women by the way because they know each woman is


women by the way because they know each woman is different um but if you look at the skill sets of women they are creativity customer experience for instance um at its core it's compassion like understanding it's understanding so your mother is the best provider of compassion and customer experience in the country your indian mother on average knows how to manage her husband she knows like my mother managed my father's profession and career and she cooked samosas for everybody on 26th january because that was part of his profession she knew how to bring me up and send me to an ivy league school she dealt with my brother she dealt with her in-laws and she ran a job of her own she had four five different customers in her life who she was managing to perfection every single day what is this customization of experience yeah you know the goal of spirituality from a career and practical perspective is to balance your internal masculine and feminine energy which in the real world means balancing your masculine and


in the real world means balancing your masculine and feminine skill sets for example if you think too much like a guy which was me in my early 20s it was about so i'll list out some masculine and feminine strengths that and weaknesses yeah so masculine strengths i feel that guys for some reason and i might be wrong please correct me if i'm wrong but in my experience i've seen that guys can a scalable team players you can make a guy work with 10 other guys who are kind of in sync with them and the team will work very well and that 10 can even be transformed into 100 if those 100 guys think similarly 100 guys will work in june yeah if they think similarly if they think similarly if they think somebody yeah uh women's trends on the other hand again it's multitasking yeah it's endurance being able to take like you know a huge amount of being able to handle pain i mean you know one of the top one of the most


you know one of the top one of the most beautiful memories of this whole covet period is what are the countries who've handled covert well well they seem to have women prime ministers or presidents to understand what's happening on the ground and to handle a situation of human suffering they say that if there are only women leaders although there won't be any wars so i mean you look at and again you know you look at someone like jacinda arden right she's a mother and during the covert period she's sitting and managing her kid at home on a sweatshirt and talking to her people on video and she's just making it like she's part of the problem she's not above everyone else because she's this untouchable so vulnerability which we talk about yeah but i'll tell you i'll i'll also bring in a bitter truth here at the cost of being pessimistic okay uh and uh okay now there a big weakness that women are especially in indian society is a lot of conditioning


especially in indian society is a lot of conditioning that they've gone through yeah because indian society from the time you're a little girl you're told certain things or even even in the matriarchal parts of india and that's what i'm saying women need to have because you're not told to be ambitious you're not told to have big aspirations and unfortunately and i think sheryl sandberg said this in the american context i think it's even more true in the indian context you are told to quit your job well before and make a huge deal out of this whole marriage and kids thing so i have women still coming to me saying you know i don't want to take on a bigger project or you know i can't change jobs because i'm planning to get married i mean yeah it's it it is how it is and this is the bitter truth i feel like we are one generation away from the equality you spoke of when we spoke with us 25 yeah according to me practically


spoke with us 25 yeah according to me practically what's going to happen and this is not something i wish i wish that it's 50 50. yeah but i think it's going to be something like a best case scenario would be 60 40. i hope my daughter's generation i mean i know that it's i know my generation will always hear things like the only woman ceo and all that stuff i hope my daughter's generation is able to change that i'm seeing some signs of it because you know what's happening now is that while there is a strong feminist movement there are two sections of that feminist movement as well and the majority in that is just a lot of um highlighting the negatives without thinking of solutions but the next generation will start thinking of the solutions and by the way i should also tell you so people keep asking me these questions of like what are your challenges as a woman and all that stuff there are huge advantages to being a woman um for instance when you're the only


being a woman um for instance when you're the only woman of 44 men and my peers often tell me i get a ton of attention maybe much more than i should i've had the opportunity because i'm one of the few young women ceos to interview people like arundhati bhattacharya to spend time with people like ziya modi to talk to marycom i have been given opportunities because your gender makes you different it makes your thinking different it makes your approach different and the world is looking for different people so i will not step back and say it is only a burden i think it is about how you look at yourself i think people are a mirror right if i think being a woman is an advantage the world will make it an advantage ma'am like when i meet other youtubers i know that they've been through a similar struggle like like like myself like as in it's very similar our journeys our initial struggles we have to figure out camera workouts yeah we have to figure out then


out camera workouts yeah we have to figure out then we have to figure scaling up so when you meet ambitious successful women like yourself um what's that underlying vibe like where do you connect our sisters we connect on so many levels even when i meet women ceos by the way and there's so few of us and i have friends who are women ceos in manufacturing businesses and who are film producers my god the bond is incredible because we connect on shared experiences and we all have shared stories we all have shared stories of going into rooms where we're the only girl and maybe the guy's bathroom is working but the ladies bathroom is not working in the office we have stories as banal as that we have stories of being scared to talk in a conference room because like i struggle with this even now like there are 15 guys talking and there's like an arnab goswami kind of like everybody talking over each other i get very withdrawn and many of my girlfriends tell me these stories


and many of my girlfriends tell me these stories um we have stories about how a lot of the socializing is done over dinners especially in financial services in the us over drinks and dinner and you just don't feel comfortable talking about that and unfortunately and i'll get into trouble for saying this me too has not helped our causes women either in some ways well it's made the workplace a lot safer people are getting more scared to hire women so we have those stories also so women bond on many different levels and i think probably the best part of my job is to i do is the sessions i do with young girls what would you like men to know about an ambitious woman's mindset it's not very different from theirs and it has no reason to be different but the only thing i would say to guys is and i'll give you a funny example that women are going to behave differently from you so i get this thing with you know guys will get very scared when women cry


know guys will get very scared when women cry in the office right like dive managers they get really scared when they cry in the office and you almost see them hyperventilate or then they start judging then oh she's not emotionally mature and stuff like that so i keep trying to tell guys and i told one of my former bosses this that is it okay for a guy to use bad language in the office once in a while like we forgive it right we say it was a moment of anger if a woman can express her emotions through crying and it's not like she's crying on the floor every day but once in a year if she's cried don't judge it so we're as ambitious as you but we express ourselves differently so just don't judge us for it are you so from your outlook from where you stand are you hopeful about where india is going with respect to this gender equality thing professional gender equality mainly i think it can't get much worse i only think


think it can't get much worse i only think it will get better i also think young girls are a lot more aspirational now and i think even from tier 2 into 3 cities so if i look at my father's family and some of the girls from saharan poor you know where our family is from they all want professional education i'll tell you another really interesting thing there's this whole myth that men have in the office that the minute a girl gets pregnant she's not going to come back okay i have had countless number of girls because we have a lot of women in the 30s bracket all of them have their kids and they come back to work so they know their careers are important to them in my mother's generation i don't think that was the case yeah it's it's graduation um now i'm criticized by this i mean okay now i'm criticized for this by my co-founder and also by like my team occasionally that i bring in too much emotion into my work but i'm a creative


too much emotion into my work but i'm a creative professional and creativity comes out of the same place of emotion so as my career has gone forward i'm even more emotional yeah um balanced but emotional and that's why i'm going to use this opportunity to just request people that if there's any girl who's watching this podcast and who's looking for an opportunity uh i have this goal of karaka rowing like as an establishing 1000 entrepreneurs so if you're watching this and you want to get into entrepreneurship but you're scared you don't know where to start write in to us careers at beerbiceps.com i hope to be a part of that change for the sake of my sisters for the sake of my mum they've told me all my life about those daughters i'm sorry and one day daughters definitely like i mean i'm not a father yet so the next generation definitely i hope to be a part of that change you know uh and while i i also have been in rooms with


and while i i also have been in rooms with just guys yeah so i know what that side of the game is also i know how guys look at women also and there is sexism like that is like and there is bitching about women that happens the whole gender but you know one thing so it's really interesting my husband joined uh i'm part of a sort of ceo forum uh with mostly guys and my husband also joined a forum which is for spouses okay and he's the only guy in this group that he's in which is all women and he says it totally changed his perspective because he says that is reverse sexism also it's not about men it's we villainize men it's the majority that vilifies the minority and it is very subconscious so you know it's not just about men if you were if you were you know 50 people from one state and there was one more person from somewhere else they'll all speak in their language so it is also a majority syndrome


their language so it is also a majority syndrome it's not a man versus women's syndrome god beautiful my husband has just seen this and he said every guy should be in a group with the majority of women to understand what it feels like yeah i think he tweeted about this he tweeted about this and he said he totally says you should do it i've seen it change the kind of man he has hmm i i mean i just hope that these series you're actually the first podcast in the series of women entrepreneurs podcasts that we're starting okay so there'll be lots of them yeah so i'm i'm and honestly as a guy only conversations like this give you the correct kind of perspective yeah it's not conversations i have on a daily basis but thank you ma'am this was a lot of fun uh i'm hoping to do a lot more podcast with you going forward thank you so much it was a lot of fun i think we talked about everything under the sun yeah


i think we talked about everything under the sun yeah and i am dead sure you will reach that three lakh crore mark and beyond thank you um and no not that you need a podcast also influence three like people positively yeah that's that's the hope that this this podcast goes out to a lot of people if you watch it till this point please share it with everyone you know men women everyone you know young gold yes we need we need content like this to really go to the right people the leaders of this country so again thank you thank you so much beautiful you


dr. Radhakrishnan Pillai someone who's written more than 15 books on the topic of China Keo who was Chanakya is considered one of the all-time greatest brains that this country has ever produced the knowledge that he spread his teachings have actually lived on years after he passed away that's the greatness of that man so imagine all that knowledge of China curbing boiled down to one book called the China ket and then imagine all the knowledge of that one book being boiled down to a basic podcast that's what this episode of the Remy show is this is your personal mentorship session from dr. Radhakrishnan Pillai by the end of it you're gonna elevate your consciousness you're gonna elevate your mind you're gonna elevate your thought process because you're gonna get access to one of the nation's best minds both in the form of China Korea and China a reincarnated according to me dr. Radhakrishnan Pillai enjoy the episode [Music] welcome to another very


enjoy the episode [Music] welcome to another very value-adding episode of the runway show they say that the smartest individual in the history of India was this person called China Bo and I say that one of the smartest men in India is this person called dr. Radhakrishnan Finlay sir who is also the modern day expert on China care and many people consider you China care reborn also that was the title of a video we did together yeah so the title of this episode of ER and we show is again related to China it's the top five learnings from the Chanakya nithi yeah so before we get into the actual learnings which will help people benefit you know modern day hustlers benefit I want to ask you brief history on China kill and the Charnock anything so first of all thanks a lot for bringing me back into this particular show because I enjoyed your show there's so much that is so fulfilling for me when I'm just in this particular studio and I'm glad you're


in this particular studio and I'm glad you're speaking on the topic which is my life commitment to that is China can is chanock anything yes coming back everybody knows about China there's so much we can learn from Chanakya so I like to talk about two basic things one is the story part of China q and the second is strategy part of Chanakya so I think Chanakya lived in 3rd century BC he was a king maker of Chandragupta Maurya he defeated Alexander blah blah blah blah so everything is quite known and there are so much content available on YouTube etc so you can watch it but what I'm going to talk about the second part of it which is his work being documented so it is said that he wrote two books one is called the county Lea's arthashastra and the second one is called China Kenneth E the difference between these two is Cordelia arthashastra has got 6,000 sutras or formulas of how to run a kingdom so I would say it's almost


run a kingdom so I would say it's almost like a Raja with their means for the leaders does it also apply to business it does in fact I have written quite a few books and application of arthashastra into the real life including business the second book is called Charnock in ET and it's a book which consists around 350 or sutras so 350 or versus 6000 that's the difference so scholars say that our Chester was written for the Kings the classes while chanock anythi was written for the masses and it is very practical in nature it talks about how a person should live his daily life you know what he should do and it talks about lot of aspects of human being right from being a good student to actually being a good household or you know how do you earn money ethically it talks about also the spiritual side of it also talks about parenting and very practical tips on you know how to be careful in life how to choose your friends how to actually make sure that


to choose your friends how to actually make sure that you're giving money also donation to the right people never to get fooled etc etc so coming back China Canada is definitely a book but if you look at the two words Cherokee and Nietzsche I would like to submit up a single-channel as a person of course but neatly by itself has got lot of meanings Nietzsche means policy neatly means the way to go Nietzsche means strategy P means plan so if you look at the word neat in Sanskrit it gots various meanings I would say channel just planning Chanakya is way of teaching Chanakya strategies etc etc so I'm specifically talking about the book called Chanakya EP which was written by Chanakya many years ago and I've been fortunate that I've also written a version of Cherokee as anything rather too simple lays explanation of it also yeah so so what will a person gain from going through your book on the tonic anything or just having information about it like if they are


or just having information about it like if they are at point-a before eating at point B what will they become definitely they'll be benefit it's like going to a school and you started attending the first standard and after a year you got passed out the second standard and you'll see the difference in you because Charnock unity helps you to think differently so if you think differently you do the same things differently if you got better strategy or faster ways of doing it absolutely so I think char- is all about strategies policies so by learning chanak anything a lot of people for centuries have got benefitted and I'm sure you will so let me you an example one of my teachers used to tell me this you know which is India's best-selling book okay what a strange question they actually is chanak anything anywhere you'll find a version of Chanakya neither you know so you'll find in a book stall you can find it there now coming back to my channel Keaney how is it different from


to my channel Keaney how is it different from the other soso 650 sutras or formulas are still the same but what happens is that in lot of the books that we have is that the Sun scroot and the translate into English but we have done something very different we all give an explanation of all of them in detail so let me give an example and then we will talk about how it is going to benefit you from point A to point B and of course the five points that you should take away from this particular video so let me start by saying that very simple sutra or strategy be careful from three things okay and it continues by saying if you know how to use them it will be beneficial if you misuse them they'll finish you okay so the first one is fire so fire you should know how to use it because in every house there is fire right so we warm up the house was very quiet for cooking that's how you're going to enter house also it's called house


you're going to enter house also it's called house warming but if you don't know how to you know manage that fire it can burn up your whole house so be careful from fire but it can help you or destroy you second is called King King the too close to a king that's good but you know if you misuse the king they will destroy you so people you know who are around powerful people should be careful that they may suddenly DeLeo kay you're promoted and you know you're going to take charge of this particular Kingdom so the king can make you a king the thing is that if you take the King for granted they will finish off a carrier and your life once and for all so powerful they can destroy or make you Chanakya says the third thing also snake be careful from a snake I understand it can actually help you in what we are you aware of it that actually in the army people are trained to catch snakes do you know what is the logic because let's say


do you know what is the logic because let's say an army you're in that jungle and especially when you're on a mission and you are going to a deep jungle you feel hungry right so they will look around and probably they will find a fruit or a flower the fruit may look good very exotic but you're not sure it's poisonous but you know you're feeling hungry you need to survive so there could be lot of things around but the beautiful part is that every particular jungle have a snake but the snake can bite you that's a danger so you have to be careful of worsening but do you know if you know how to catch the snake and maybe just you know take away the poisonous part of it the whole snake body you can actually eat so it actually becomes like a survival in the jungle I'm not here signaling to be his snake eaters but that logic is that be careful from a snake but it can also useful to you in the most difficult


can also useful to you in the most difficult situations hmm practical so Chanakya says three things be careful from fire king and a snake now look at this you can actually practical apply it so when you are in front of your boss's is it okay and close to him it will give me warmth but you know don't cross that line that Lakshmana Rica same thing it all goes to fire exit like cetera so I am just give one example out of 350 ideas about how you can be successful and careful in life in fact to be successful you should be careful in life and very careful in life so coming to the five top learnings of the Cherokee okay so I think every 350 sutras are all top biases but you know Methuselah is what it's like oh yeah what is the sutra sutra it's like a formula okay so for example e is equal to MC square god so Chanakya wrote 350 formulas for life absolutely you got it right and they can be


life absolutely you got it right and they can be applied everywhere okay so what would what would be like your top five sutras so I will start with something which is very close to my heart okay which is on parenting okay well I have two lovely kids but just because the kids are good doesn't mean you are a good parent so I've always look at one of the very basic formulas sutras the Chanakya spoke about parenting in a very simple line he says for the first five years love the child next ten years discipline him and after that consider them your friends formula simple three liners so let me explain that you so when a child is small it's very lovely cute so you can only love the child suppose you got it latest mobile and it just banged it you can't do anything about it just love the gel and conditionally but the moment the child is five years old and of course it's intellect starts developing it you know and it's a very dangerous trend today happening because


it's a very dangerous trend today happening because speed and all pair and just allow children to do that they want and actually that's bad parenting so what China cos is that now you need to actually use discipline and discipline doesn't mean beating okay the ability to say no is also important for a parent was if you say yes yes yes he will never understand what does no and that can actually two failures in life so discipline the child for the next ten years and after that consider him or her as your friend the biggest problem that we have in special a country like India the child may be 70 years old now the 90 year old parent is still a barber chair after 15 years you are fully grown of course life experiences may not be that big yet you're a full adult so look at this formula which just helped me so first one is that love your child five years discipline ten years and then consider them your friends I think full parenting and the best level for 15 years now coming back


and the best level for 15 years now coming back to the five points are you talking about I like to summarize so from the all the experiences that I have gone through by reading studying Chanakya the first nithi the first chanock anything to have a successful life is to have a purpose in life a lot of people you know live like a common person probably they're highly educated but you look at them they're very dull and they don't even have a reason to get up so they just pull themselves out and saying that okay I study now I need to get a job okay and now I got a job and it'll get married okay I need to get married I need to have children okay that's good but that's normal successful people do all these also but they have something beyond so the first question is that if you want to really be successful in life ask yourself what's your purpose what is that for for which you are ready to live and if necessarily die and it's not easy I


and if necessarily die and it's not easy I understand that so I think there is a saying that the only purpose of a person's life is to have a purpose everything falls into place so I think friends Chanakya says what we call in modern day settings called as goal setting exercise so do something with yourself sit down and you know in our ancient old tradition it's called finding your swadharma what am i born for it's a very deep question but if you actually go in close fact and spend time with yourselves meditate believe me the answer will come to you so I remember how I found my purpose in my life believe me I was at Kailash months alone live in the Himalayas and when I saw the Kailash Mountain first I've been always talking you know what I want the purpose of my life the moment I saw Kailash Mountain it hit to me as if somebody is speaking to me now and saying that please give you a life to the study of Chanakya and


you a life to the study of Chanakya and his arthashastra I just told my wife sorry I can't saying that you know I don't know whether it says sound or it's a feeling but I feel you know I should dedicate my life to the promotion and the studies of Chanakya and arthashastra she kept it very quietly to herself but whenever I have a problem she always let me remember you've got a purpose in your life we will ask me how are you so full of energy I have written 15 books I'm still writing 8 books on Chanakya chord involved in two movies I've been doing a lot of food cause I'm teaching in universities across the globe every single day I'm at least giving one or two lectures or interviews or something like that so how do you keep it going and saying I have a purpose in my life I've discovered it long ago a lot of people even in the end of their life they don't have a purpose so as they


their life they don't have a purpose so as they say I was dead at 28 and I got buried at 80 Wow so think about it what is what is their state of mind I think this is dragging on this is dragging on saying that you know maybe I have to just leave and do something very normal so I'm not saying that you know but people have to live a normal life you can actually live an extraordinary life not just an ordinary first chan activities to have a purpose discover the purpose go inside get it now and eg got it well he was pulled out from a train maybe that instance it comes very same this is for me it could be actually saving a girl child for everybody it could be different you know it could be in sports was you for you it could be YouTube and just broadcasting it day in and day out but if you have a purpose for which you will actually get up every day morning and as APJ Abdul Kalam said you know dreams are not that what do


said you know dreams are not that what do you see when you're sleeping but dreams are those that don't allow view received formula number one chan activity you know even like daily life in office seem that like the best performance who've been with the organization for more than a year and a half two years no other guys who wake up in the morning with that intention of okay today I'm just gonna create today I'm just going to add value you know is that that it the purpose can be as simple as just yes yes it doesn't have to be oh I'm going to take over the world or you know I'm going to teach I'm gonna make this mastery never it can be little things so but it you should put your mind on that one thing and it's all about that one thing yeah you don't have to 100 purposes you know how that one yeah and I'll tell you it becomes easy may I found that one channel yeah that's enough yeah many people tell me also you know when


enough yeah many people tell me also you know when we that you know why don't you now write your next book on maybe Rama and yeah or maybe something else is you know why if something is working right why change it in fact it has been mathematically proven it's called the game theory if you're already successful don't be stupid to change it so it's doing well people what they do is I did I already found the purpose now let me go to the other one and the other one finally you'll not be there in the first stage also just like you know digging a well everywhere and finding no water it's very important you rightly pointed out you know every day if you want to create a video yeah and that's a purpose we we've had kids who have worked in the organization with that thing of no I want more or you know things to slow or maybe I'll be happy somewhere else and they go they're a mess gets created and then they'll end up exactly without any water anyway so


they'll end up exactly without any water anyway so again as a as a co-founder of an organization oh so you see all these stories happening in front of you through kids you of groomed you know even if you've not made those mistakes you see people making these mistakes maybe a go on with the turn in fact that actually connects to my second point yeah okay the second channel anything desire2learn so you got a purpose let's say I got a purpose that I want to maybe start an NGO that will want to feed you know hundreds of children but I am actually associated with an NGO called as a roti Bank so roti Bank is a very interesting phenomenon where actually they are feeding the street children and they actually do you mean almost like a million children over a bit of time but the thing is that if have a purpose that's the first step I don't know how the process works so if I want to be cricket or a sportsman you tuber for that particular matter I said okay


you tuber for that particular matter I said okay I have a found a purpose but I can't just jump into it right so I need to have a desire to learn formally or informally so what people do is that go ahead and join a course there are 4-1 things so for example you want to play cricket and you found your purpose in life you still require a coach so go enjoy in a cricket academy or a filament kinda me or whatever or read books I mean all right you tube videos I think this generation of the advantage of actually getting knowledge free yeah but you should be a student who says you know I am a beginner and even if you're an expert you still should have a desire to learn because even at the top there is something more to learn so the things that have a purpose the second is desire to learn and it can be multiple ways of learning digital form informal you know through books to cinemas to people through people conversation yeah yeah absolutely some learning from you


through people conversation yeah yeah absolutely some learning from you old Marines so again the big reason we started the podcast was for this exactly that yes I'll create content but at the same time through each conversation on a personal level I'm learning a lot which then I can put out on my Hindi channel as well later excellent so see you have a purpose you have a desire to learn and you feel nice and more creative in your desire to learn well just think okay there is something more different way of creating it yes so you learn from experts the third point is also something connected and it's called having elders with you and the Sanskrit word for that it's called blessing yoga so one is purpose settled desired alone but whom do you learn from I may learn only from experts okay oh please understand this let us put life into three levels okay so let's see at level five okay there could be people who are at level three there could be people who are at level five and there could be


people who are at level five and there could be people who are level 10 so many learn from people say I'm learning from everybody okay that's that's a nice desire to learn from everyone but the reality is that let's say you're at level five of knowledge and experience and there is somebody who's at level two or three who comes to you actually you end up teaching that person mmm okay and whatever he or she says it's an input but that's not actually an expert advice if you are at level five and the other person also level four you are actually equal friends you can discuss with the each other sharing but Janice is no but if this area was those people who are at level 10 so let's say you have a 50 crore company you can have friends who are also at 50 grows there are you know people who have just start ups maybe at 10 grows so you actually land up teaching the 10 crore guy how to be a 50 crore guy mmm hundred discussing common problems


50 crore guy mmm hundred discussing common problems with other friend who's at fifty close but the same yoga is actually associating yourself with 100 crore why so then what happens is basically when you're surrounded with such people automatically you raise your bar from A to B without any efforts so let's say in a week I'm spending at least four hours with people who are more experienced than me just spend sound and don't even do it and just watch them and you'll be surprised since he's already at hundred crore and you're 50 crore let's sense a turnover of economy just watch them listen to their discussions without your own knowledge you actually turn around your company to 60 or 70 grows and it's a very easy way of actually being successful by being around those people who are more successful than you yeah and when they say something they're actually guiding you to actually break your barrier and go to the next level what are the next orbit so think about this first is purpose


the next orbit so think about this first is purpose desire to learn and learning from experts and here is a warning many people actually get misled by two terms opinion and expert advice so many people when they give opinions you think that's an otherwise it is not an advice it is just an opinion it's a person who doesn't know anything who feels kimu JB like I know a lot of market researchers get it wrong there so there was a common man and saying what do you think the product will do well or no so they may give a data but the real insight is why those people who is selling it this will work and you don't have to go to statistical data mmm if you just want us we'll get how to create a successful business you don't have to just ask one Bill Gates right not 20 people who are startups startups are also important so please understand that expert advice is what is with this ánewá so if you are already doing YouTube would you like to learn from


are already doing YouTube would you like to learn from person who's already maybe 10 times bigger than you okay so here is an advice which are read it's a very powerful sweet little advice it says never take an advice from somebody who is not an expert this is our advice so if you undertake an advice only take it from an expert so maybe they are costly maybe to meet that particular person it will be delayed so suppose you were to go and meet Bill Gates in a hookah I feel it in the modern day so it's not about meeting the person because any successful person has the information available online sooner it's the power of the internet if you if you search for it it will land up in your hand exactly make sure he is better and higher than you yeah do podcasts do Internet yes yes read books but 2020 finding information and finding mentorship from these people is not difficult yes I genuinely feel that any good the fourth one which actually Chanakya did its create


the fourth one which actually Chanakya did its create institutions understand usually what happens is that when people start it's always a one-man show not a one-woman show whatever it's all about you you you but as you go you reach a particular points in then I can go higher without a team around me so you know and individually you may be good but the next scale up happens when you do everything into a process system so that's when you start building teams companies institutions otherwise what will happen is always equal to Reza one person but you know it's like you know being a good actor and actually creating a production company that's where the scale happens so a production company is going to last beyond you and as an actor you may have a time limit to your inner performance and things as the smarter guys watch on a kid we Creed Chandragupta Maurya but he also created systems and processes for the future chandragupta maurya's because if you don't do that what will


because if you don't do that what will happen exactly that it will die with you so I think it's very important to create institutions which are like a critic Kingdom along with the king two different things one is creating a king but is also creating our kingdom now we come to the fifth and a final point and that is very important probably we should practice it more often it is called documentation documentation in various forms it could be written it could be audio or video see what happens is that we had a habit which probably start too much there in today's generation it's called diary writing so every day what you learnt right down and it'll be surprised we do it every day that's in in your you actually look at a diary 365 days you written something and said Wow I tell you two things about successful people when they write it themselves okay they remembered after they are gone two things Chanakya himself wrote all these strategies imagine if you are not written they would have been a


if you are not written they would have been a great for somebody nobody knows what was happening in his mind in fact if you look at all the great gurus maybe you're talking about the book autobiography written by him he's not there but for almost a when on this book is documented all religions of the world are documented you know this year we are actually celebrating 550 at the earth of Guru Guru Nanak G's birthday Guru Nanak videos birthday how many are aware that if you go to any Gurudwara they actually worship an image I mean what is that you know ever of this it's the Gurbani his book it's book and it actually the notes that Guru Nanak's used to write every day so it finally the other gurus and all actually started adding adding adding so every learning he wrote it down and what happened that tenth guru gobind singh ji he said from now on oh there will be no physical guru the book will be the Guru


no physical guru the book will be the Guru Ahana cannot run arthashastra chanock anything but a loss his wisdom which is very important my dear friends please write a book yeah you will also write a book on being India's number one youtuber definitely cell so looking at these particular points you'll start realizing that life is about actually creating a legacy after you are gone do you want to be successful only for a short time or you want to be successful forever to that extent that generations to come will actually remember you so these are the five things purpose desire to learn learning from experts building an institution and finally the fifth point document it into processes others can benefit after you're gone so this is beautiful but I have one burning question in my mind which I have to get out which is that because you study China can so much detail what do you think that China gave was thinking about on his deathbed now this is a question a lot of people ask me in fact to the externally how


of people ask me in fact to the externally how did China kadai yeah that as well so let me tell you Charlie I had something called as a charmer on you know what does the Chairman you can choose when you want today exactly now China ki was probably very successful in his life and I think for me is an idea because he never had any regrets that two kind of people who regret number one is that people who don't know what to do in their life are never did anything in their life right so I'm just lying on my deathbed I'll you know it is just dragging around like anybody else they did not do anything that's the first type of regret not doing anything contributing anything the second is those people who had a desire but never got it fulfilled in their lifetime that's also regretted you know I started something but you cannot complete it but Chanakya actually was different because he completed both of them had no regrets the moment had a purpose in my life in his life and


had a purpose in my life in his life and that was to create a Co whole empire called the Bharat Porsche he created that what is important that he did it in his his lifetime before dying not many people are lucky people have goals and they say you know I will sow a seed and maybe my grandchildren will enjoy it of course a grandchildren should enjoy it but why not you in your own lifetime so if you ready what was Chanakya thinking during his deathbed probably saying that thank you for everything now I'm going to leave very successfully and peacefully you found that bad you can say have no regrets I lived my life well I think that's called a successful life beautiful thank you doctor thank you another gorgeous podcast with you obviously guys have been linking all of those books on Charlie cure and his latest book on the Chanakya neeti down below makes you check out or makes you follow so on all these handles and until next time from dr. Arthur Christian Pillai and when


next time from dr. Arthur Christian Pillai and when we run about it thank you


welcome to another episode of monkey chat featuring my boy Viraj shade my co-founder and manga entertainment once again today's theme is engineering college we're gonna go over entire engineering college journey right from six standard where we began iit coaching up to now when we're like twenty five-year-olds and we're looking back and engineering college and figuring okay that's what we gain from there and those are all the mistakes we made in engineering college so this is gonna be super fun conversation if you're an engineer if you're currently an engineering college or even if you're thinking about getting into engineering college absolutely everything you need to know in a Superfund through indian engineering student way enjoy the episode welcome to another episode of monkey chat he was supposed to be my co-host then we decided that I'm gonna host this show instead he's also my business partner mr. Verret shade he's the man who's made me millions and made himself millions so very humble Gujarati fella one of the most intelligent guys have


fella one of the most intelligent guys have met in my life also a brother and this episode is entirely about engineering college specifically for engineering students trust me you're going to learn a lot in this episode you're also going to feel very connected to us because we have shared your pain we have shared all the rest of you have gone through the rod-shaped my first question to you is let's jump straight into it as a 10 standard kid did you know that you're gonna enter engineering college not at all but my most obvious path was science because I was that guy who just succumb to peer pressure very easily so where I was from a CBSE school everyone in my school literally everyone like 98 or 400 students went for science because that's probably how the curriculum was so everyone went for science most of them and for engineering only so my first experience after tenth was keep basement entrance exams in here because we have to get into oh I failed the pace really like I gave money to pay so


the pace really like I gave money to pay so and you train for classes and then I realize BC abort 0 yeah what is it good you know the questions they ask in pace the mats questions are like there is a bird on top of a train the train is moving and there's another train moving on the same track from the other side and both the trains are going to collide at what point will they collide no there's no no it gets worse then the bird flies from one train to the other that is that and then comes back to this but both the trainees are moving trains are moving towards each other so calculate how many times the bird that is that this is like I gave the aptitude test and I didn't take the decision my mom was like - I never thought sunyoga my my family from my mom's side is full of IIT engineers is basically in my [ __ ] and and I went there super competitive like environment yeah super intense environment very depressive it's like you


yeah super intense environment very depressive it's like you wake up at like 5:00 in the morning classes start at 6:00 from 6 to 11 you have to attend iit classes extremely difficult problem yeah I think that if I had better teaching that time right I would have probably managed better but the teaching wasn't good for me it was mostly I don't think I was like meant for that kind of yeah a curriculum itself it was not - I think both of us have found our vibes in life like I was always born to be a youtuber your bond you know so it's like yeah I knew Kyary a math physics chemistry was not my vibe in general I think you personally love physics oh God yeah but I didn't like PCM at all but for me it's like I was really good with like communication Social Sciences and all of that and floating and that not really but but the thing is I couldn't go back to my mom and say that these are the subjects I talked in


and say that these are the subjects I talked in English and social sciences so my obvious degree is arts Paulo Java so it's like that was never the situation dude in school my mom told me there's this beautiful course called be mmm Tranmere if your heart says be mmm do it so then I finished my painting happy pmm going away and then when in time for bmm came in she's I know but try pace not try try I like to say I think about nautical joke or negative an actor by director by director one and that's how I got force out in that and I think with pace is every single day those classes start with a girl like me coach Khurana you have to go right it doesn't no other way you will you'll fail in your life if you so those kids are like Oh everyone's scared everyone - Kwanzaa calls me a chub it's hey I pecan some but I go out you alaric party go to Mumbai Rangi okay then then that concept trickles


Mumbai Rangi okay then then that concept trickles down to non-id douching though so if you go for engineering tuitions yeah in Bombay context is like briefly and villa poly and so if you go for those tuitions there they tell you that if you've not got VDI or you DCTV do go to top bomb because your life is like dead like you know why you existing by you doing engineering then might as well do some whatever course IIT becomes really discounted because it's too far then the next layer becomes the ultimate yeah then if you don't get any you go into the other colleges like and that's why you and me which was the third layer which is a song VSP IT and third oh my Sonia would be probably the third one and in those colleges they tell you that if you don't go for an MBA or MS then your life is screwed life is that because again if you are from DJs hungry which means you are coming from an affluent family because the school the


are coming from an affluent family because the school the college had AC yeah so DJ sangre was scream crowd and good situation if you don't do an MSO masters after that it's over yeah so technically you and me are not even in the third layer now in the fourth layer yeah and now we have those versions in business but I think we've that's what engineering teachers exactly teaches you do eat a lot of suppers and insult like for I think both of us were like similar kinds of students like backbenchers and you know doing assignments on the last q-tip and this one yeah all of that and it's always like we were those kids just go class maybe they were always like hi too much thicker thinner yeah like with you it was like hard to Dumble ha ha oh we come to these dumbbell stories later and I have a ton of even motivational students but let's rewind back to 1112 very unhealthy environment for 1617 year old kids when I look back I had a teacher


old kids when I look back I had a teacher in my sore tuitions okay so basically in pace they again I mean in IIT coaching they tell you okay writing again a whole life is screwed those kids are living in so much pressure people get depressed people drop out people cry because the whole life the idea if we don't get it people you know it even drives some people to suicide exactly do it's like they get destroyed they crying here what do I do two years of my life work first getting decided by one day of an examination exactly and there's so much pressure would have been into that situation yeah so I personally gave CDN not idea and even that first of all you have like barely an hour to complete like see it is the state version state level of the National State College or something like that and there's so much pressure for like so many students in one Center or everyone's like you know trying to at the last moment route loan some of the formulas or of


last moment route loan some of the formulas or of that it gets so high intensity it's definitely one of my worst experience those two years were the worst two years of my life and I know there's a a bunch of students who've also had like the golden use or whatever but I know that they won't relish it yeah yeah this much pressure and that system is just not sustainable it's as bad on the medical side if not worse yeah it's just as bad for me actually my IIT Johnny actually started back when I was in the sixth grade my mom put me in these classes called insight which is one of the classes that starts teaching students from the sixth grade yeah so there's like a five year pre-prep for idea yeah and after that that's to you two more years of crap and then there's four more years of high D so your life is [ __ ] ID like there is nothing else you know there's no personality exactly nothing yeah and they tell you that nay positive ever


nothing yeah and they tell you that nay positive ever nor doesn't matter only and only this life you learn carbon K properties and why it has so many [ __ ] branches yeah so anyway we're not gonna hate on the education system but I'll tell you what this hold parents pushing the container ID is the version is the parents version of people getting out of an aeroplane like you know when an airplane lands and then everybody gets up will stand in line for like half an hour and then there'll be some kids sitting around saying they're up locally we've all those kids exactly even now intubate now I believe last exactly so anyway I dropped out of those ID classes I was like this [ __ ] machine you know I can't calculate birds between 300 and I remember literally that I confronted my parents I was like there's no way I can do this and force it open any Kerkar finally I convinced them the next day I felt like that felt nice so but did you


I felt like that felt nice so but did you join like CD class and little did I know that they also pretty intense no no it's a lot easier than IOT but it's still a lot of hard work there's a lot of that time are weighing and all so ideas a lot of non rata Marwin you've done at tomorrow the formulae but in the end you've use your brain and analytical thing exactly you're it's a lot of retama little little on it so anyway eleven twelve is also intense even those teachers so now you about re-engineering medicine make you know too much pressure like we had this one physics tuition teacher you and two very famous physician Bombay dude the things you should say to students mature to Miraval a Matz equivalent Manisha right like we do you want to tie up used to tie up and their internal exactly internal factions tables if you're not in my tag team you've joined mats with that guy your mom is having an affair with him oh


your mom is having an affair with him oh my god you're putting sixteen year olds through like [ __ ] like that and sixteen year old also dumb dude like they don't like whatever the teacher say becomes their life and that's a perspective that you wish you had when you were sixteen seven so anyway you get through to yours and then they tell you that make it but CD they do know it call it starts yeah okay and do it like an idiot and my first semi thought that yeah I was like may dude I've struggled in my life you know I've loved so fours I'm not going to do anything especially the first step because to a big Ottumwa little did you know yeah so what was your for semi so first your experience dude um okay to be honest I feel like I had a very fancy schooling like I went to the Dubai money okay where you're brought up very easy yeah you brought up like a fancy person but you also thought very


up like a fancy person but you also thought very analytical thinking very you know a personality is developed in that school and they don't just focus on studies they focus on sports and they focus on communication skills and and whatever I am today is because of that school right but back then I did a perspective on like the real world okay so when I entered the DJ's angry which I've been over lot to write but the level of education was like a lot lesser okay to be honest like it was no because it was like under Mumbai University and the whole curriculum is suited to be across all colleges so my mentality firstly was kind of looking down on engineering because I realized once engineering started that it was again or lot of rote learning in fact it was more or learning than even CED it was pure route and I thought you are engineering my metal robot bananas Akuma I'll make circuits I'll design computer program yeah and what are they telling you they're telling you a formula and I


telling you they're telling you a formula and I was like that's a formula say I'm a match problem solver formally was like me exactly I was like what kind of engineering is this so basically the curriculum has not been updated since probably like the 70s or the 80s or whatever they are teaching us so we had a bunch of these subjects where you are to you showcase what like systems or computers you're using and those computers are not in usage right now like so why the hell am i learning about those computer dude and it doesn't just stop at the curriculum I'll tell you at to what degree the rote learning goes engineering everyone goes for tuitions in the first semi yeah which is so we ordered you've done intense levels of fusions in your 11 12 and your first again people online in America the mechanics kellyjohn Americans computer programming college Hannah so you go there out of herd mentality cuz your whole class is going and you think you should all miss out on some this


you think you should all miss out on some this is probably one to get you don't move yeah be doubly and mechanics and all that it's also because your parents or tough now feel that you crippled without you here dude and you go for the tuitions and it's not even like 11th all tuitions there even the professor teaches you from the rectum and I'll it exactly I went we had a subject called EDC and those very famous electronic design professor okay and electronic design is a very complex object we're supposed to teach about electron movements inside circuits and all okay so you go in expecting a high are you a teacher in America movement gave our mr. Kagame rakugaki it casts a vote ah okay and what does he teach you he gives you a and what's that thing called anagram yeah do remember particular formula so for dune a mummy kill a God your life F is equal to M into C point you're like what am i learning this is not


point you're like what am i learning this is not engineering tomorrow in class yeah so that was my first year so same how was your mat 3 I'm too good in that ok so Matt because my 3 is like the worst subject of all of engineering right everyone if they're getting a drop or getting a katie was mad 3 shehram garbage ready and I was that guy because yes I see that was like all I got into fests and all of that to earlier loser and okay so and then I was like teacher practice at this warrior I'm actually dancing math hobby night but I was just going to watch the dance team perform but I didn't study at all so I would chill then exit that was a paper I got one out of like 20 mm thicker then I try to recover didn't get into it go - Katie all of that yeah parents still didn't know about I gotta talk about this whole Katie story also from mine oh yeah you had a Katie oh and I think I got


you had a Katie oh and I think I got so I was the highest marks in CET in my class and I'd got into really good colleges in Bombay and I'd purposely taken DJ Sammy because I heard he crowd Michelle College may is here yeah all that all that [ __ ] okay and that was my reasoning being taking these on you but little did I know that that crowd muster is one two students in each class is people from candidly saying that this is what's a crowd and shout out to people from that yeah so be advisors beeper here you know it's like it's it's I thought it's like a great call but it wasn't yeah people are still very nerdy and they're nerdy not in terms of I want to learn circuits I want to learn programming it's not in terms of hearing miracle Gera formula yeah that a recursive doe formula yeah it's like they're nerdy based on a tomorrow in which is a very wrong kind of nerdy and


in which is a very wrong kind of nerdy and it's not the fault that is the kind of education they've grown up with anyway coming back to this Katie thing the way in 1112 you are told that if you don't get I idea if you don't need a good Oswin in engineering the version of that is if you get a Katy dude who will hire you bow oh yeah and my veil being rebellious and fulsome was many but I'm not begging each other okay so I literally did that and I remember sitting in that one BW basic engineering electronics paper and not knowing anything in the more I saw the papers like it's make a deal I was like no I just need to not get single digit ob ho tag like one is it right and I got a KD and from being like the top o NC ET I went to like the bottom three of my class I got 48% powers that feeling oh damn bad the next day like on the day I go out it I was


like on the day I go out it I was like oh [ __ ] like him that's bad like a feel for the first time in my life a new conscience kicked in and like yeah it started getting worse at home but when I went to college do people look at you like you murdered someone people people really talk to you like your dog is died or something and I'm just like okay I wasn't feeling bad but you were then it really started to kick in okay then it like it really got to me and because you hear so many voices around you telling you that your whole careers ruined you actually start believing that he should have actually messed up in life for a very depressed I was like the height of depression that I got at the same time in my personal life I I've had like a very bad situation right in fact we made a detail Bo Bice's video in this it's called my had a break of yes saying no I got I got played around with I


saying no I got I got played around with I made a depression story video so go check it out and B I said that one games layer of my heart and that story is genuinely true I think with AIDS I have known to look back at that face and laugh key a catch but okay let's move to discussing about you know those courses that senior sell to you he learn coding in like five days learn ethical hacking in one way or two days yeah did you take that offer you the one who sold that Co initially I was the one who took it up later businessman kicked in and I was like no I'll be back I'll be the one selling there that's also interesting so ever how about how we met any we will come to this my point is basically even with this whole thing about going for those courses there's too much herd mentality in engineering corners if kids see five kids going somewhere they get four more and then they go for it yeah and they wasting that time


they go for it yeah and they wasting that time that ethical hacking and those are the courses that they sell you go and grab add anything to your cereal so stop going for those it's basically you know what you are doing you're giving that organizer oh five star on his CV you're not doing anything for your own he's being able to say I organized the course so that's what if you really own a builder CV an engineering college it comes from leadership pedestal so if you actually able to organize work show up sell things don't like by the exactly good thing exactly you are never going to learn ethical hacking in two days yeah so do this too much hood mentality and I completely fell out of love with engineering but dude getting that KP and having people point fingers at you and you know kind of being mentally convinced that your whole careers over makes you very tough how did you get out of the feeling that oh [ __ ] now I would I have a KD of you


now I would I have a KD of you rise from dude so honestly I got this tattoo and okay till today and you know people look down on tattoos and all I feel the thing with tattoos is if it has a motivational message and if it's helping you if it's adding positivity in your life tattoos are good thing in saying that I mean think a lot before getting a tattoo I got this super impulsively because I could have the story to tell throughout my life in a mere a mere if a low-key story and I legit had that feeling of okay dude now you're rock bottom so now literally the only thing you can do is yeah yeah so I asked some of my seniors who had also failed and asked them that does it really affect a career and there was all mixed yeah it's all that so anyway second year for most engineers is actually also where the alcohol weed and all kicks what are you talking yeah so and it's also like


are you talking yeah so and it's also like a lot of college fest that creeps into your life yeah yeah second years where engineering call it actually becomes more fun right yeah engineering call yeah so when we look back and in general cause I think second your own words is where you kind of look back and saying that's where I grew up a little bit in terms of it's not a good thing but getting drunk a lot partying a lot which is not good for health I mean in retrospect I wouldn't have drank as much as I did right then but I think I was so much in pain and so much it was an escape route yeah yeah and I didn't have a career what it is for most of these engineering students yeah it's like we didn't expect engineering to be like so bad yeah but fine I mean we are in it now so might as well get through that's where this whole stereotype of engineering students being JD's and drunkards comes from because everyone is suffering like people think


comes from because everyone is suffering like people think that after studying so hard in your 11th world you'll be able to chill but it's not that that's not the case in fact is even more pressure because you know that on the other side of engineering calls once you cross the line is your career and engineering cause the whole vibe is even the professor's tell you that there is no scope for your career beyond engineering so you kind of create a reality for yourself that [ __ ] a beam in a a path and Dirk earlier now I wouldn't be able to change my father exactly so lot of people get the press three photos into the career at the Eric when you have 26 they realize hold on wait there are other careers out there I was like yo carios and the thing is with engineering professors right their whole life has been about that oh engineering physics just like stuck to it and that's what they propagate to the kids oh and that's what they propagate to the students also


and that's what they propagate to the students also don't fall for that yeah and there's this other famous stereotype of engineering professors where there is a lot of picking on students oh people are biased all the time in any field anywhere yes so that always happens then I was that guy who's always big against yeah caused by one last venture - never gives assignments on times three always gets the assignments done by someone else and it was just that he ie Torah or smart event so gouramis rather participate cata iPad I am eagerly for the non engineers watching this you might think that assignments are basically these really intelligent coding or engineer objects anyone assignments are ticket though basically they'll teach you a chapter in class and the teacher tell you key Iturbi assignment at kuru one student in class the most nerdy student this is there every engineer will do that assignment take them Beyonce and what is the assignment it's not tomorrow in basically you have to copy things from your


in basically you have to copy things from your textbook key what is the formula for this equation and then you see the Biograph you write the paragraph exactly like how it's written in the textbook so that that diligent student the smart will copy the paragraphs okay and then and he'll be a good guy usually he'll give his assignment to his best friend and that best friend will make five copies of it in India no they just put on whatsapp groups to share him in whatsapp groups that that's what happened during my attack yeah so it's whatever whatsapp or Xerox he'll Xerox the whole thing this guy in engineering called makes money yeah he is the biggest money maker because again it's a rat tomorrow in coffee waves copying based what you call course school so you have to copy close to 30 to 40 pages per assignment you're not learning [ __ ] you're copping blindly if you don't know what it's like actually your design and that's not a meme that's the true yeah so um


not a meme that's the true yeah so um and you have to copy things the way they're written in textbooks with the textbooks also the sentences get over halfway through the sentences like grammar mistakes that is logical mistakes key how have you ended which app to you do not explain that thing but it ends day so you're just supposed to copy the way it's read in the textbook the cool thing about engineering college is that near our college we had another college called Mukesh motel under Mukesh Patel there is this guy who started a business of taking assignments from Jen's and writing it for you yeah that was the band it's expensive it's like like a little ten rupees per page five piece of page if you're doing like you know 40 pages assignment that's 400 rupees per assignment so it's a good business for him yeah but imagine dude people have made a business out of doing your assignments in engineering college I wrecked the system yeah and this is what people don't understand outside of


and this is what people don't understand outside of the engineering college world key people think that when you're entering and you know you think they are hey I'm getting good education yeah I'm becoming a man of worth or women of both and and then you get this that is why a lot of engineers hate and you don't college in India basically second year is not even for you basically make peace with the shitstorm that you're stuck in like Teague it's that again really you see people going down spirals or smoking smoking up and drinking yeah the peace their professors start picking on you because you enter your department yeah I realize now there's a segment of professors that govern you and UBC come to terms with reality then what happens is that once a professor starts picking on you it becomes very intense I think never stops everyone Joshi also tweeted about this this one professor who is to psychologically pick on the dude and they'll say like very toxic things like you


and they'll say like very toxic things like you shouldn't say that to like a 19 year old you know it can really affect someone so there was one professor who basically again we had to copy the assignment so I copied - I mean just like the rest of the class but because my reputation was Gymkhana melodica so she gave the whole class and a and she gave me a D like not even like a be okay and I confronted I was like worse worst thing true how many cocky are like yeah because this overall reduces your aggregate descended and she's like me answered galata I mean he smiled at me he did this mmm a peekaboo like a mark sorry so [ __ ] like that okay and you you see this happening a lot there was once in my second year results the results came out and professor literally did this he made the top of the class like the best Magoo's reared up and said beta to make a thermal abolish better tommy composite


beta to make a thermal abolish better tommy composite you okay he'd make it all like the top six guys over the last sort of 60 get up and he's like HIV ready Robert okay and I was like I saw a bolo and I knew what's coming my way and then he broke down my marks including the subject I got a knee and then he started analyzing prop Katie Miller up to hosta the no class me up smile Carpathian a cumulus okay was evil Abby Korea yoga okay and you know you're subjected to [ __ ] like which which feels awesome when I go back to college now or never actually I need the same professors that's the other side of the story but yeah basically Lord of ego battles that come out of power play happening professor and it's don't think that you know Viva the arrogant was like vivo just regularly we didn't have anything to do with call it was like tiga will come here to study we leave that yeah leave


will come here to study we leave that yeah leave never said anything negative to professors but that what happens in engineering college we this is one more instance which was like basically the professor after the viber he picked out students based on his overall relationship with them throughout the semi slow if they weren't basically licking his ass you were in his bad books yeah so he made thirty students stay back after the viber two days before the actual written exam starts okay two days before two whole days including the day before the exam he made us stay in college from 7:00 in the morning than eleven at and write assignment no just a just a yeah like nothing bloody you can't you can't go home and there's no reason yeah so vol XO please we'll give you a fiver right now but let us go we need to study for the exam is like my up NATO mate as a body no battle just ego you know because they've probably not had a great time in their own college what a lot


a great time in their own college what a lot of people say is or the messed up thing about the Indian engineering education system is that you only end up teaching if you've not got your dream engineering job and this is limited dream engineering in impossible so a lot of them have that little like fire yeah not not everyone we had some fans also who knew that how the call it was about her tomorrow but they taught you engineering the way it's supposed to be taught they taught you the logic of things they taught you how electricity actually works you know how mobile is actually work or whatever yeah we are a bunch of professors who actually take in and put in all the effort to teach us like the basic take us through all the diagrams and all of that which is where the positive aspect of engineering kicks into play that you are given that perspective of how machines work so basically when I'm looking at a camera I am able to break down exactly okay what is the logic of


to break down exactly okay what is the logic of how it's writing down the information that is recording through us now you might do that what was the use of that alive I am NOT gonna make cameras what that does is it allows you to break down systems in your head okay and in a 3d manner about all your problems now when viraja me are doing business to be honest in office we kind of it's slightly a wolf of wallstreet vibe without drugs but it's that little fast-paced by a bed after we crack or do something it's like a boom you know it's like a goodbye but in order to have that speed we need to think problem-solving very fast that's come directly out of engineering goals being exposed to at one good teacher being exposed to a lot of intelligent kids yeah whoo and the same boat is yeah think fast who used to be on there - yes and like multi-dimensional they are just like books yeah I've realized this over the last your when we moved into


realized this over the last your when we moved into an office and we're running this startup like a proper company like a corporate office leadership is learnt in engineering college because they have to lead your own game plan if you don't basically always used to leave our assignments till the end please leave on a study until the end and kind of fixing those problems in a very short span of time teaches you a lot of jugaad not problem-solving at the end of engineering calls you will be a slightly messed up saddened human but you will be yeah I think third you for me was where I kind of slowly start making peace of the situation and I also realize that hold on bro I actually don't know what I'm gonna do in life and my overall aggregate my overall percentage is too low so I better start starting a little bit yeah see him that's when I picked up - I you I scoot like a 5.35 which is the lowest like yeah same for me rose 48 yeah okay so