shanami is a complete um history and um some part of religion also in it so this Shana May has preserved this um we you some people call it mythology I call it ancient history which is unrecorded yeah until now go on so the very first of King in you can say the whole world was a person called Gayo mud means mortal men you know every word has beautiful meanings means a mortal men and so he told the people you settle down there's no need to be nomadic you settle down and start Agriculture and farming and that gave them time to sit and think what we call reflect up till now there was a survival Instinct was uh Supreme but later uh as things progressed and as they got a chance to settle down they started thinking and the one of the first thoughts that King gayomad had was we are told that he got a divine uh message from a Divine being saying that tell your people that there is only one God in the world


people that there is only one God in the world and the name of that God is Mazda all others work under him the nature Works under him other Divine beings work under him there's just one God Mazda and the meaning of Mazda means all-knowing omniscient so tell people to connect to him and then everything will follow so that is how before we are talking of thousands of years before came along we are still a lot behind I I also just want to add one uh negative you said something about how you considered history some people might consider Stories the truth about history is that in the modern day many archaeologists only considered history when there's evidence but the truth about evidences that evidence gets destroyed over time uh only Stones survive which is why the pyramids have survived and then if the stones are destroyed by invasions or by War you can't help it very true very true but that doesn't discount the fact that human history is possibly way older than we're told lots


history is possibly way older than we're told lots of traditional archaeologists historians will like to believe that human history began with the four Great civilizations Egyptian Indus Valley Mesopotamian and Chinese I think is the fourth one which people uh talk about I strongly believe that it began way back lacks of years ago now go once I totally and 100 agree with you you know the amusing thing archaeologists are always honest of course they keep pushing back the dates as and when they get more and more archaeological evidences I think because the way archeology works is you're digging into the Earth and the deeper you dig the more you get and as you rightly pointed out many evidences do get destroyed yeah only Stone and things like that survive so that's why um but if this is was not history if this was not true then it would not be consistent at several places like the great Deluge it has been mentioned it's by almost all the civilizations and the great religions


by almost all the civilizations and the great religions yeah so how can it be so consistent if it never happened if it was just a story I also believe now uh there's scientific evidence for found about the great Deluge and you all should look into the younger dryers impact Theory look into the work of someone called Randall Carlson and see the degree to which he's gone to find scientific evidence that this actually happened about 12 000 years ago what happened the context is that the Earth was hit by either one or multiple comets which destroyed civilization comets work in the same way as a bullet would work on a human being something huge of cosmic scale many kilometers spread across hitting the Earth with the speed of a bullet it'll actually create the impact that atom bombs would create destroy civilizations man whoever survived human beings would have to begin from a very rudimentary place that's where I believe you and me started building out again it started creating art again uh but possibly prior to


it started creating art again uh but possibly prior to 12000 BC the human story had come very far we had possibly discovered a science of that time we discovered Technologies of that time and there is evidence to back this we had an archaeologist on the show who studies pyramids who says that a battery was found in the pyramids an ancient battery now what could it have been powering so this is one of the technological Mysteries and as a podcast I have to give context here uh because this is how the questions are going to be even about the zorastian stories so now I'll let you continue okay so thank you for those inputs yeah yeah but it's very true because the stories are so much connected and about this comment hitting and now a lot now it's almost established thing like almost scientifically established even carbon dating has showed that yeah it did happen so once again going back to that first king who was also regarded as the first social in the Russian religion associate is a mini profit


social in the Russian religion associate is a mini profit sort of a thing who is um inspired by God and that God was Mazda so from guyoma started the belief of believing in one God but at that point of time there were people who did not follow him and they in our tradition have been called deviousness perhaps because they worshiped several gods and the Hindu part of the Aryan they called that God's Dev so that's why we call them deviousness so it was just a two belief systems existed in those times and deviously what's I'll tell you man and I'm so sorry I'm interrupting you sir but I have to give context to a lot of the listeners who are listening for the first time this has come up a lot when we're talking about ancient Hindu history where uh zoracianism has come up a lot on the show it's come up that it's a sister religion and what also come up is in Hindu stories there is Dev and Asura and in


Hindu stories there is Dev and Asura and in Parsi stories there's ahura and daiva it was possibly just two sister Clans talking about each other and in both the stories I mean it's like if you are India you look at Pakistan as the villain if you're Pakistan you look at India as the villain but in truth human beings are great it's good and bad on both sides uh so that's all I wanted to say here yeah we are not enemies yeah I never consider them as any of me's even two brothers have differences of opinion yeah so it is perfectly all right but this is what I call internal evidence to show that yes they were together and then they separated because of some Schism which happened at some particular time when Prophet Zar tusha came about because that Schism took part later on what do you mean by Schism um uh sort of a rift okay okay Rift between the two groups so the first group which we today called Europeans they separated


first group which we today called Europeans they separated first while the Southwest migrations were taking place now how do we know that they were together by their languages so several European languages ancient European languages like Germanic sex Sonic Etc and Sanskrit and avasta have similar roots so that was why these languages were studied and taught in Europe because even Latin because they were they are so common uh roots and bases and uh etymology Etc so this languages are one of the biggest proofs to show this theory that they were living together and they had one common language at that time which uh phylologists call the mother language European languages ancient European languages which unfortunately no longer exist but because of the similarity of these three languages they say that it did exist otherwise how come these three languages of now people who are so scattered are same yeah may I just mention I'm like enjoying this conversation a lot so I I strongly feel that the Indian internet uh and it's also thanks to people like myself it's


and it's also thanks to people like myself it's too saturated with only Indian cultural history and it's very important to understand the world's cultural history as well to probably understand Indian cultural history even deeper and over the fact that there's going to be people who get offended even with this podcast but you can't help it it's the nature of the times 11 people do get offended my job as a podcast is to relay information from all aspects please go answer with the story yeah even I am enjoying it by the way and I my only message to those people who may get offended is please don't get offended because in um academic world we have to learn to coexist yeah and only if there are different views can knowledge get further and just because somebody has different views does not mean that I am your enemy yeah it just means that we are thinking differently yeah yeah anyway go on with the stories so uh then there were several other kings I'm not going into their uh this


other kings I'm not going into their uh this thing details but the fourth king after that was a king who brought in a golden era in the ancient Iran and he was King Jamshed who is known as imak shaita in the avasta and he was the person who in whose Reign the great Deluge happened so it's extensively mentioned in our Western text So when you say fourth King they're not you don't mean like the fourth son right like they weren't father or son father son these are like in five important Kings in total yeah not all were Father and Sons because every time there was not a direct descent so like the first Kings um uh grandson became the second king in that way then the nephew became the king but they had a you know one thing in ancient Iran I think among Kings was that you need a continuity link continuous link to maintain a dynasty so there was a continuous link but it may not be always father to son okay so the first


not be always father to son okay so the first king roughly what date would you attribute to him so I would say it was about uh uh when we say Deluge was about uh 12 000 years back it must be not more than 12 500 years okay very close to the Deluge okay and that's roughly the phase where humans went from being nomadic to actually settling down yes we are also told that uh several Arts crafts domesticating animal agriculture irrigation all those things started developing during that time so now we are talking about the king called imak shaita or Jamshed and we are once again told that the Divine being brought a message to him that a great deluge uh or you can say it may be even a rain resulting in a deluge or a snow whatever which would result in a deluge would happen and he was told to save the his people and take them to a safe place it's like very much like the story of Noah or Mano or Gilgamesh in


story of Noah or Mano or Gilgamesh in other civilizations so uh he built special enclosures which are also described in the our text our stint text circular apocalyptic bunkers yes apocalyptic bunkers exactly circular and such have been found recently like um in Turkey Etc places and um when I had gone to Russia there is a place called which also has some similar settlements I knew the archaeologist why did they name the place because they connected with this place with this EMA you will be taken back to this place um in Russia but when you're talking about King Jamshed and these Kings it was primarily around the geographical region of modern day Iran no then it's uh north of Central Asia which would be modern day Russia yeah Russia north of Russia I could say you know one surprising Thing Once Again mentioned in our Western text is that we were living almost near to the North Pole and then you would ask it would be very cold at that time how can one stay very near the North


that time how can one stay very near the North Pole but then we are told that the Earth's axis was tilted after the Deluge making it colder before that it was not that bad that severe Winters that we know about in the extreme North were not there before this great Deluge took place that's why people were still stay staying to quieter like north of Northern Russia you can say yeah a lot of the Hindu Scholars have also mentioned the same thing about ancient rishis actually meditating near the North Pole this was in Dr Vinita agarwal's episode now go answer even Bal gangadhar tilak he was a great indologist our freedom fighter he has also uh I think his book Arctic home in The Vedas in that book he has uh written about this so um this this archaim or what is called in awasa the Vara of IMA was constructed which gave Refuge to people during the uh this great flood because it was constructed at a higher altitude and in such a way that natural


a higher altitude and in such a way that natural sunlight and natural air would be able to get into the houses what what is said specifically about the Deluge they also say that a comet had hit Earth or it was just sort of an apocalyptic event no not much not much is said about how it happened okay what is said is what happened afterwards got it okay according to the younger Dryer's impact Theory I think the impact happened near Mexico somewhere but the overall effect of the impact was on all of the earth uh up till Asia so probably the Earth on Asia side saw the impact through um smog clouds through tidal waves it was still apocalypse yes the effect was different at different places and as far as I know it happened simultaneously at different places like it was not at just at one place it happened simultaneously it may be a debris or something a cosmic debris or something yeah go once so King Jamshed then um once again became the king after the


then um once again became the king after the Deluge was settled like people hailed him as the savior and um the festival that we today celebrate on 21st of March and not only zorashians but many other Central Asian countries also do celebrate this Festival of spring and we call it jamshedi navrose that Festival is celebrated because King Jamshed saved the world from the great Deluge and started a new life a new settlement a new world sort of you know and even today people um celebrate it as the onset of spring when the even Aries when the sun enters Aries uh uh the sun enters the constellation of Aries we had told on 21st of March so that's how it is what's said about how long the Deluge period was like it must have been long because we are told that IMA or Jamshed had a very long reign but we are not told that how much of that rain was um under the Deluge and how much afterwards it but we are told that


how much afterwards it but we are told that as I told you his Reign became the golden age in ancient Iranian history and people were so happy like today we say uh like even in the autobiography of Yogi it has been mentioned that some rishis live up to 700 800 years so we are told that EMA also lived up to 800 900 years because he was also a person perhaps of that spiritual caliber and we are told that in in his time there was no disease death came after very long intervals father and son when they walked would look alike and such things are mentioned so that means that people were very happy the climate was very good and the population increased so much because of this that Thrice during the reign of King Jamshed there were southwards migrations because it was not possible to accommodate people and the winters were also now becoming more and more severe so that's why a southwards migration became necessary and that's why um we started coming towards what we today


why um we started coming towards what we today call Northern Russia or Central Asia northern part of Central Asia that is the location that now this second idea you know the term Irena Vega is also used in The Vedas and the later Sanskrit text and it is called Arya vrata Arya vrata and Aryana Vega are two similar terms in Sanskrit and avasta and they means the Aryan expanse so even they use the term correct me if I'm wrong so this might be from the BR Chopra Mahabharata he's in Arya vrata name for like bharatvas like India in general I mean that that's that was my context now I'm understanding that maybe Arya vrat must have been the entire expanse of subcontinent up till maybe the gulf also you never know am I correct yeah you are very correct because we generally think of history as in today's terms like when I mention Iran it is not the Iran of present times the concept of Iran has kept changing and originally an


the concept of Iran has kept changing and originally an interesting aspect whenever they migrated and settled down especially near reverse they call they give the same names to the places perhaps they were attached to those places whereas uh this place is at some special meaning to them the names of the places but the so that's why in our state at least we know that there were three idea of Ages so when we talk of Irena Vega or area of that it's not one place it's a place which even this lot started migrating southwards so that place kept changing so it's not that the present thing is wrong but it is that there were other aryabrats also perhaps in the past yeah and I as Irena wages are there um wow okay uh either way the theory is cool that maybe it was one uniform culture spread across and they called itself or people kept moving from one place to another and kept renaming their place according to what the name was earlier yeah I believe till now they are together they have


I believe till now they are together they have not yet separated what do you mean the Aryan group those who belong to the European uh language family they had separated but the what we call the Indian language family and the Iranian language family have not separated and for those who do not subscribe to the theory I would ask only one question then how are the languages of the Iranian people and the Indian people so similar yeah you know I'll tell you what the situation is you are coming on with a very uh positive outlook which is what I believe it should be people have aggression towards the Aryan Theory because of the British because the Aryan theory was used to divide South India North India's old dravidians and Aryans that's why there's a lot of aggression on the internet and a lot of Hindus perceive the Aryan Invasion Theory as a sort of insult on uh themselves but I don't think the Aryan Theory you are talking about and the iron Theory they are pissed off


about and the iron Theory they are pissed off about is the same thing there are two very different perspectives you're saying that this entire spread of culture right from the subcontinent up till Central Asia has originated from a similar group of humans the British Theory says that hey there were Indians here and Aryans came in and beat it all and y'all are inferior that's why you allowed to go down south that's what just clearing it out for the audiences yeah yeah now and and that theory the aggressive one has been uh proven Wrong by archaeologists the reason I'm doing this is there's a lot of people who just you hear you say the word Aryan and get turned off from the show because of that condition to hating that other Theory but you're talking about something completely different here I'm not talking of the Aryan Supremacy concept I am talking of Aryan has just one group of people yeah historical group of people no Supremacy at all over here yeah okay it's just a difference


at all over here yeah okay it's just a difference I always believe that difference does not mean Superior or inferior 100 okay I will let you continue now so after just this little uh bit of information that I had to put on the show yeah now go on and another internal what I call see archaeologists give external evidence what I am talking about are internal evidences and those internal evidences are number one the languages number two the religion do you know that the names of divine beings one example I'll give you Mithra you must have you heard the Divine being Mithra Mitra is a very powerful Vedic Divine being so avasta has another Divine being called Mithra like how Mantra and Mantra similarly Mithra and Mitra are two Divine beings now how come these two groups have a same name of a Divine being so that is these are internal evidences which show that there were some Confluence much much much uh prior to when britishers came along like yeah and britishers had


britishers came along like yeah and britishers had their own agenda uh own X to grind as they say yeah 100 uh which is why I request audiences to be very open and just absorb the information here uh now I want to actually go back to that period post the Deluge and post King Jamshed so what happened after that so Southward migration started happening but the original group of zoroastrians was still in Russia no they everyone might everyone migrated because gradually because of the co-increasing cold and because of the uh more expenses that they were able to get as they've uh managed to come down okay so they migrated towards like Uzbekistan that is yes exactly okay uh what was happening in Mesopotamia at that time like when we talked about this whole Mesopotamian civilization was it actually zoroastanism or was it a whole separate cultural thought we are told just once in the passing that uh after Jamshed the king that came came from a place called bhavra in avastad that


came from a place called bhavra in avastad that name is baura and Scholars identify it as Babylon um so perhaps this foreign king um attacked Iran and one of the kings of this dynasty is a foreigner zahak who is considered of course because the Russians see him as evil only because he has usopped the Kingdom so the uh so this zahaq was from baura and Scholars um identify this word baura as Babylon so perhaps they were when the initially they did not have to contend with other people I think we'll have to give some context on what and where Babylon is it's the capital of Mesopotamia yeah okay supposed to be one of the biggest ancient cities of the world which eventually got destroyed in I think then the whole Old Testament phase was going on yes yes around 2000 uh 500 or 3000 BC era okay not BC sorry years back it got destroyed at that point but before that it was kind of a stronghold of the ancient world uh so


of a stronghold of the ancient world uh so then the Babylonian King attacks uh the Aston Capital yes which is um at that time it was uh regarded as bacteria which is modern day Iraq yeah yeah Afghanistan Afghanistan yeah okay okay so so racism had come down till Afghanistan at that point yes so that was the expanse of ancient Iran second period first as I told you was very much North then second Uzbekistan Turkish Turkmenistan parts of Russia and even now parts of Iran uh Pakistan what we call Afghanistan Pakistan North India and we have references historical references telling us that uh later dynasties did reach out to Hindustan also in fact you'll be surprised to know that in The Vedic avastin books this place was called Sindhu but it's in the avastan text it is mentioned as Hindu because if you as I told you the two languages are very parallel so wherever there is um her in avasta the parallel word in Sanskrit starts with sir have


the parallel word in Sanskrit starts with sir have you heard about a home or Soma yeah Soma is a special twig from which a certain drink was made a ritual preparation was made [Music] so all the ancient cultures have one brew that they consume for Spiritual reasons yes does homeless also have a spiritual yes very much okay I've had an Ayahuasca experience in my life which is a South American brew and it was life-changing for me at 22 it changed my whole life I've made a whole podcast about it but I want to ask you about homoma Homa Soma they're talking about the same thing same thing what is said about it in uh zoroastian texts yes that it is a life-giving invigorating and health giving keeping our death all these adjectives are mentioned for Homa and there is a Divine being presiding over that plant also and that pla that Divine being's name is also Homa okay and uh even to this day in certain rituals this Homer Twigs which now


in certain rituals this Homer Twigs which now is identified with the botanical name of ephedra but dried Twigs small small dried Twigs of ephedra which are not found in uh India but they are found in dry places like dry mountainous places like Afghanistan and Iran they have been sourced from there but even today dried Twigs of Homer are used for ritual purpose to prepare a ritual drink in fire temples even today even today really you know what you're saying right now is the Quest for a lot of international podcasts as well where Soma comes up all they know about Soma Homa is that it was used before going into battle it was some sort of a greeting drink it had a spiritual purpose and it's the first time I I have seen any piece like this on the internet where you as us or Aston are saying that in fire temples it's still used yes okay wow but um well small pieces small twigs and that also dry not wet okay uh and uh it


that also dry not wet okay uh and uh it is then mixed with uh Twigs of the pomegranate tree well water and uh goat's milk and prepared into a libation have you had it what happens no no it's not it doesn't give a kick anyway or is its end but you feel good after it means it's not anyway intoxicating in any way people do have this idea that it is an intoxicant like but uh nowhere near it is or perhaps a quantity that is being used uh to mix is very small but uh it is not in any way a drug or anything but see all priests when they become priests like we have a ritual called Navar Navar is the first level of priesthood and uh in that they have to perform a ritual called the yasna which in Gujarati is called the ijashni and there are sort of rituals to be performed one of the ritual is to have this Homa juice like just one draft of it one draft of what


like just one draft of it one draft of what happens if you have more you can't because you do only prepare it in a small cup full okay the priest himself prepares it um did you feel anything changed in you no nothing nothing any spiritual incline no nothing at all but I feel when a person is performing a ritual of a high order that itself is a very big in invigorating experience spiritually yeah and uh this Homa is said to be Health giving one of the characteristic is Health giving healing life enhancing yeah um you've got more than two or three podcasts that's what I want to say um it's very rare that my boys in the room with me are also like fully gripped in like a conversation and in the last month you got so many vodkas that we've rejected and then when we get a guest like you it's our blessing like you know that there's so much stuff to unpack here how have you learned all this like uh you've you've done a


learned all this like uh you've you've done a PhD I believe yes yes see uh I have studied in a priesthood gurukul priesthood Seminary so right at the beginning I was uh we were taught rudimentary about the religion then after passing my SSC uh a first time this opportunity opened up I also took this avasta language as my school language we could take the third language a Sanskrit French um Marathi or avasta only in our school it was possible that the other parts of the youth assembly at that time so I took up avasta in my SSC was it topper in it and then I continued studying the avasta language that is one of my good lucks that uh I now know avasta language quite well and I also know the living tradition you know many people can study avasta language there are many westerners who study avasta language our cell language is open to all for study like any other language there are many honored uh Western Scholars they have a cell language but


uh Western Scholars they have a cell language but my plus point is I was from the Priestly tradition I was from a living zoration tradition and then having avasta language learned our language I could coordinate and correlate which is a very rare thing has it changed you as a person or totally totally changed me it has totally changed me there's a lot of contentment and peace that you radiate as a person that's the first thing I noticed about you that there's a bag full of contentment coming here and honestly very transparently so I'm very envious of contentment because it's something my whole generation misses out on because of social media that's what I gauge about you am I correct in saying that has it given you a sense of contentment yeah it was hard to come by but now that it has come by it is something you never like to lose that's an effect of our stuff you feel um understanding avasta in the proper manner you know unfortunately avasta was translated a lot in the


know unfortunately avasta was translated a lot in the past but mostly by Western Christian Scholars so they translated everything from their viewpoint you know things like energy uh consciousness chakra all these are anathema to Western Scholars they look down upon you if you in your translation bring down a word and say this translates as energy they give the uh like the word for which I know now is for energy Divine energy in the avasta you know how it was translated for hundreds of years as Glory which is which is chi or Prana same so that is another thing that is ushtan uh there is life breath energy that is totally different this is divine energy the energy which exudes God exudes you may say the energy with which the entire creation is made up of what would be the Sanskrit equivalent I'm just trying to off of uh Glory of quarena I don't know the exact uh Sanskrit word I can't recollect it just now but um it's something which is unique to zoration religion in our


something which is unique to zoration religion in our style I feel what is the word quarena and you know surprisingly this is the standing epithet of God nobody thought of that is the god for zorashians the word means Lord of life and wisdom Mazda means wisdom and Aura means life but there are two words which are extending epithets you know almost all Great Divine beings are standing epithets adjectives which qualify them and there are two words which are raivato and Karen angato so was generally Loosely translated as luck or lucky as Glory so whenever I or anybody would read the translation the impact would be lost because yeah it is a bit elevating but it is not something which I would want to invigorate me see this is the power of ancient languages because ancient languages are ancient they've been around for a long time that means that group of humans has understood the human body mind Spirit much more deeply than modern day languages which are limited by their words for example


day languages which are limited by their words for example there's many terms even in Hindi or Urdu where if you try translating it into English one word has to be translated using a sentence very simple example is Mamta the motherly feeling that's a three-word uh translation or at least two word translation for one word how do you explain uh Glory how do you explain lucky um so anyway that's what I wanted to say yeah that is true and unfortunately modern man has become very vain you know he thinks that he is right and he alone is right and whatever those people said in the past were fools to say things because they can't understand what they are saying so they say the texts are wrong at what point does uh the Saints or Astor come into the story so in this Kayan Dynasty all right will enter so there are first three four Kings of course we won't go into them but in the reign of the fifth king or so Prophet zarathushra was sent to the Earth


so Prophet zarathushra was sent to the Earth we are told on the request of Mother Earth you may have heard about the Gaia hypothesis you'll have to Enlighten in the podcast the Gaia hypothesis uh is a scientific theory which says that Earth comes out with certain sounds which are like happy sounds sad sounds but it comes out with certain Cosmic sounds and Gaia is a Greek word for the Earth now something exactly similar is said in the avasta that the soul of the Earth lamented to God our Mazda that there is so much uh pain suffering uh in the world that I need a savior so please send me a savior and we are told that God with his uh Divine beings had a conference and they decided to send the soul which was already there in the Divine world of prophetsra into the world because he God or the Divine beings realize that a strong spiritual person is required now when that message was sent to Mother Earth Mother Earth was not happy


was sent to Mother Earth Mother Earth was not happy she said what will us a saint or a Prophet come and do this while people are very vile like they were UV I need a strong powerful King a prince who will come and help me out so then there is a dialogue with God and God says no a king or a prince can help you for only some part of time we you need a person who will be able to help you for a very long period by containing this evil what we call fundamentally and so then Mother Earth agreed and accepted and after a lot of preparations on the material world Prophet zarthushra was sent to the physical world the soul of prophetushra came into the womb of his mother uh what was happening prior to this like evil had increased on Earth yes because in how in the Mahabharata how they have there's a shlok which says it's a version of that yes exactly our version of this so I am Azure okay now for people who


this so I am Azure okay now for people who don't know what that just meant I will actually let sir Enlighten you guys the Sanskrit one yeah what was the meaning of the Mantra that you just said yeah yeah so whenever the religion foreign uh and this is not true just for Asian religions this is true for the world in general yes that if there's too much evil that arises in the world the higher power sends himself or a piece of himself to Earth in order to basically clean it up in the long term exactly what's the story of uh I want to get the pronunciation right okay you know uh in the avastin language he is called Zara thushtra but if you read an English book he is called zoroaster yeah the reason the of the difference is because the Greeks knew about him the Greek writers and they called him zoroaster which means literally means a golden star zoroaster so that's why English books refer to him as zoroasta and we referred to


refer to him as zoroasta and we referred to him uh in our language as well there are many miracles um the book that I gave you it is a full story of prophet there's so many miracles about his coming even before his coming what happened and you know um I would like to mention a few sure like uh as I uh missed out saying in the beginning I was about to say and then we digressed that the definition of zoroastian religion has two words that is in bullet form the definition of Russian religion now we they were we means away from against Deva means anything that is negative generally people ascribe their word they were to be demons now demons are part of Davis means uh spiritual evil Divine beings Tano we call them Devas in our uh avastan and that is again on account of the Schism we may come again back to it so so Russian religions definition the first word is V Deva and Deva as they were rightly pointed out is one


Deva as they were rightly pointed out is one of the interpretations of the word Deva is Dano and generally but there is much more to that word than just a uh spiritual being like even a human being who has got uh diabolic tendons devilish Tendencies can be called the Dano even the Russian religion goes one step further and uh says that anything that causes moral disorder is also that thing also can be referred to as Dano demonic demonic any even the viruses in bacteria which cause diseases and death can also be referred to as Dano so the word Deva I have interpreted is as any form of negativity whether it's physical uh metaphysical emotional spiritual so that is V Deva and now you'll understand why evil you know many attempts people ask me these questions that wise Russian religion so much emphatic on evil why do you keep on talking about evil evil evil so I said till you don't recognize evil till you don't become aware of evil how


evil till you don't become aware of evil how will you be able to fight evil so that's why the Russian religion talks a lot about evil in fact one of the fundamental teachings of the Russian religion is that there is good and evil in the world and you have to contend with that so evil is a thing which is there in the world in many forms you need to have wisdom to identify it yes and it comes in many garbs so you have to be wise to recognize if it comes in the form of a Temptation or something you have to identify it so that's why if you read any zoration text or scripture there's a lot of mention about evil evil evil but the reason is we are told to take care uh and identify it so that we don't uh are not tempted by it or do not fall into it what is said about sex and lust in general see sex is one of the most beautiful things on Earth but because of the Victorian in the Christian Tendencies it


because of the Victorian in the Christian Tendencies it has not been seen so positively in uh the zoration religion and you know the moment you start speaking about sex also eyebrows are raised like you know I've not spoken to a lot many people but that's why we don't tend to talk about sex but sex has been seen very positively in the zoration religion for one reason that is because procreation is very necessary every child born is a soldier of God so unless procreation happens and procreate for procreation sex is necessarily good sex is necessary in fact there's a very beautiful story in our pallavi text that when zarthushra's parents because al-tusha was born out of parents and Dr Bano so like the evil being came in many forms took many gaps to try and stop the birth of zarthushra because they knew the evil ones in the world knew that once he comes they have had it so they tried a lot before his birth at the time when his uh like before his


birth at the time when his uh like before his conception at the time when his mother was pregnant with him after he was born when he was an infant they tried every trick in the trade but were not successful so this is a story about when his parents were cohabiting the evil being came into their minds thoughts and told them don't do this it's a dirty thing don't do this sheesh be shameful be ashamed don't cohabit it's a dirty thing but the good Divine beings came to them and said no this is not a dirty thing this is a good thing this is something which is necessary for the creation of life so and we are told that Christ the parents were like taken up by the Evil's insinuations don't don't do thing be ashamed this is evil so that's why I'm telling you the story is that in zoration religion cohabitations acts uh and uh giving birth to a progen is considered something very important and second Isha means following the teachings of


important and second Isha means following the teachings of positivity so these two words in effect sums up the zoroastian religion shun negativity follow positivity and that's where we come to the life story of prophet zarthushra that uh if positivity would come into the world negative would disappear why because according to zoration philosophy evil and negativity does not have an existence of its own it is parasitic in nature it's a parasite so the moment you don't allow it to feed on you it won't have an existence to give you a analogy it's like Darkness so Darkness does not have an existence of its own the moment light comes Darkness goes away you don't have to destroy Darkness you don't need to go and fight Darkness just bring light that's all and darkness will go so the russianism says somewhat similarly that bring about goodness bring about positivity don't worry about uh always going on fighting negativity of course you have to be aware of it but don't think that you


to be aware of it but don't think that you love to keep on fighting it and that comes to another important thing protection you need to protect yourself against negativity against evil in thoughts words actions Deeds against demonic forces the moment you lose your protection this thing can get you and that's why I also in demonic possessions in all the cultures you will see that when there is demonic position you have let your hair down somehow either literally or otherwise you let your hair down and that's why demonic things take possession of you if you are aware if you are well protected it won't would have happened but because you are doing something where your what you said defenses were down and that's where once again Mantra positivity goodness a good life these are the defenses which would keep evil away I think and the way you explain that might sound ESO direct to some people but it could also be a literal example in terms of let's take the example of a disease you said that a diver


example of a disease you said that a diver can also be a disease you put you let your hair down you don't take care of your body the disease will come and hit you much harder but if your immunity is higher your positivity is high you can like fight it off so that one paragraph that you said actually means all these other things also yes but we gotta talk about demonic possessions also so because this is the ranveer show uh what is this uh Dark Side of Zoroastrianism also I would like to know uh would you would you like to go there first or would you like to continue the story of the prophet we could like finish the story first and then come back okay uh so uh yeah we'll just finish this uh context sure so throughout in the life of prophetushra we see that he was divinely protected like his parents were of course devout and they had their protection but their protection was not enough was sent for a mission God specially sought to it that


for a mission God specially sought to it that is specially protected him and this goes on for all us humans we can build our own protection and then we are also protected by God by the Divine forces we may not be aware of it we may not even know about it but that protection is there so as I said throughout the Demonic forces tried to stop the birth of prophet till he was 9 10 years old they at least made a dozen or more attempts to try and bring an end to his life but somehow they were never successful and that's how zaltusha had come to this world to bind the Demonic forces to bind the evil forces this is so parallel with the story of Krishna also right like up till nine ten years of age as demons that attack this seems like uh it's kind of a human play happens regularly so um at one place a very in an analogy it is stated that after came about and like got into his own element the demons


about and like got into his own element the demons the Demonic forces hid underground they were not able to face the forces of goodness and that's why they got underground uh but even in our prayers today there are today we have prayers like and because even today these things do happen um like there are people who are practicing uh sorcery black magic and in daily zoration prayer which is a sacred shirt and a sacred garment and they reaffirm their belief in the religion several times in the day and there they in the prayers they say so all watch if I translate all sorts of negativities including Black magicians Sorcerers witches now if a young boy in a western culture would read it he says oh where do we get Bob like magicians today where do we get Sorcerers today where do we get witches today but we'll be surprised they are a reality even today and in urban areas we may not come across them a lot but they are definitely a reality


them a lot but they are definitely a reality and we should never let our protection down and take the protection every religion is given the protection like for the Hindus the Hanuman Chalisa are there which is a very potent protection against this demonic forces so Russian religion has it and I am sure that all other religion has it so this um I always tell people that don't complain afterwards because uh we say precaution is better than cure so right from the very beginning we should start building our defenses against evil because uh in our Gujarati there is a saying that people run to dig Wells after the fire has started in Gujarati she said so uh you cannot do that so that's why this demonic forces you have to accept even in the present times that the evil forces the Demonic forces are there but your values your virtues your prayers your rituals Your Divine institutions your mindset all these are very very powerful tools to fight against them they are given to them


tools to fight against them they are given to them but if you don't use them then unfortunately as I said you let down your defenses and evil will take on so Zara tusra was born there were attempts on his life and there are interesting stories like uh the child was put into a herd of uh cows but a white cow came and protected prophet then the profit was put into a herd of uh or a group of horses and a horse protected him then the prophet as a child was put in a den of wolves but uh some Divine beings came and protected him so the prophet as a child was thrown into fire but the fire turned into flowers so like that there was very many uh such uh miraculous episodes in the life of the prophet and his parents realized that this was a special child because even when he was not born his mother used to get dreams the demons are trying to rip open her womb but every time the demons or even wild beasts would come to


the demons or even wild beasts would come to attack her a Divine being would come to her and shoo them away and she would get up in the night scared and ask her husband that what is this happening so the husband would say don't worry because uh our child is special because the parents were let into this Secret in a way so then when the prophet was born when this is the most popular story I think most people must be knowing it that he was the only child in the world who smiled at Birth and this has been recorded by Greek sources also in a way when he was born he smiled at Birth and everybody was surprised that how come he is smiling so then we are told as an explanation in the text that he smiled because he knew the purpose of his life and his mission even at the time of his birth we Mortals we cry because we feel insecure at that time we are not sure what is lying ahead of us but prophets are even


is lying ahead of us but prophets are even at Birth was aware of it and that's why when he was born his whole village was they did in Divine Light for three days and nights so these are the stories which go with the birth of prophet then he gradually grows up and start asking question to his father questions especially about evil that why is there so much evil in the world if there is a God why is he not stopping the evil what's the answer that will come at his revelation those answers will come at its Revelation I'll tell you that at the time so he keeps on asking this question and his father also is not aware though devout means that person who was following that uh you may call it a sanatan Dharma in a way but that religion before came about so um he says I don't know his child I'll send you to a teacher then he sends him to a teacher even the teacher doesn't know the answer because this sort of philosophical answers you know more


because this sort of philosophical answers you know more or less even today Russians are more dealing with prayers and practices and rituals not on philosophy so much so even in those times perhaps it was the same thing but zartusha was Keen to get the answers and he kept on asking questions he had no answers and finally he was he came to be about 18 years of age and then he realized out of his meditation out of his prayers that there is only one person or being who can give him all the answers and that is himself and his archangels so he seeks permission from his father that can I go to a place where I can concentrate and get all my answers because I can't get it from you all and so his father allows him to go and go into his self uh in a secluded place n think about it and that's why in the Russian religion we are told that asking questions to God is an important aspect of learning religion so it's because also got his


of learning religion so it's because also got his religion by asking questions to Aura Mazda how do you ask questions to God that is a very interesting aspect when you are in your own meditation when you are in your own mode of prayer meditation is a way of praying like uh in the Russian religion if you go to say people say there is no meditation but whatever you pray is a meditation I'll tell you something I read once uh someone said prayer is when you talk to God meditation is when God yeah so generally our mind is chattering so much that we don't want to listen to God we keep on talking to him but the secret is you talk to God you ask questions and then allow him to give you answers give that space because that is where mantras or meditation comes in you have to make your mind relaxed because everything whatever else you do even while you are sleeping your mind is not relaxed totally and perfectly only meditation allows that period where God can talk to you


meditation allows that period where God can talk to you um you know people call this intuition also for example at the end of a very deep meditation if you've gone in with a single pointed question should I get back with this girl or should I uh do this in my career should I take that next step if you meditate over it for one hour at the end of it you get that answer it's maybe just your gut feeling maybe your brain has just got a sense of calm to be able to come up with the right answer the right next gut feeling but it could very well be God just telling you listen child that's the way you are very right ranveer because we don't know the functioning of the Mind our mind functions at so many levels we don't know it we are only aware of the conscious level there is the subconscious level there is the unconscious level there is the super conscious level and that super conscious level is where God talks to you unconscious level is where your own self


to you unconscious level is where your own self is talking to you from the data your collected right since you were in the womb so both ways it works so you quarterways intuition it's either coming from up or down within or without it has truth in it yeah go answer goes to ask questions because he knows that that is the only way then we are told that he spent 10 years in Wilderness Wilderness means not in Civilization not with a family and he had several conferences with God and our changes and after those conferences he got the answer about why there is evil in the world and that answer is the full creation story the creation story of how everything How the Universe came about so that was the truth with zarathushra got after 10 years of meditation as a result of his conferences with Gordon uh I'm assuming that you won't be able to say it in a few sentences am I right yeah because this whole cosmological thing is a long drawn thing and it won't make sense


a long drawn thing and it won't make sense if we just I can tell you just in brief but you can even give us a brief answer right now because this is a whole other episode along with the demonology angel angelology angelology aspect of it but what's the short answer here the short answer for this is that um uh there was good and evil in the world how it came about we'll talk about later but that is good and evil in the world and um the evil cannot stand good so wherever evil says good it attacks now there is no order in this because only the good follows order evil is chaotic so the only option left is as I said to seek your own power and to seek protection but the reason why there is evil in the world is that the best soldier is always attacked so many people say how does a bad thing why do bad things happen to good people the classic question so russianism has its own take on this question that good people according to the Russian religion are


question that good people according to the Russian religion are the first targets of evil people or evil forces negative forces whatever you call them why because they are the best soldiers of God so in an in a battle in an Army in a war who is targeted the best soldier is targeted first so what you need there is not your weapon your weapons won't help you over there what will help you is your defense system your armor so similar thing is with the world was told that God says that I will tell you how to seek that defense but um I have set in motion certain things certain Divine laws and I don't interfere in them afterwards so afterwards whatever has happened I have given you the wherewithal to fight it I I've given you I've taught you how to strengthen yourself but finally it is up to you whatever you do and even if you are good I may not be able to help you because your defenses also have to be created by you I am very happy if you


be created by you I am very happy if you are good because uh you are you become one of my soldiers but then you are also open to the attack of evil so you by your prayers itself creator answer for why is there evil in the world is uh to put it briefly that evil cannot stand goodness anywhere but at the same time it needs goodness to get that energy so it will keep on searching for wherever there is goodness and attack it it's up to us how not to let evil attack it and this whole world is an exercise for that only yeah maybe if there was no evil you wouldn't know that good is good maybe so it's like one layer deep no no it's not it is a fact it's it's a fact because uh you know in against the Russian uh philosophy we are told that good by itself cannot exist just like two poles are necessary for uh any energy to flow so uh God does not test you in any way like a God is not we call


in any way like a God is not we call God uh kind merciful forgiving is always there like a mother of course he's a father also but he's also like a mother he's always there to take care of you he's not there to punish you okay let's continue the story of the prophets yes so Prophet then spends 10 years in the wilderness gets his Revelation the message and be this being a unique message he then sets out to teach the people of the world where that time just constituted and deviousness means no other religion has come about because Prophet zarathustra was a human being not a god he was born as a human and secondly because he got a revelation that's why he is referred to as a prophet a human being getting a revelation so that's why we consider zarathushra as the first prophet to reveal religion to the world now what happens when you set out for spreading your message evil starts to attack you so throughout we are told that


to attack you so throughout we are told that tries his best to tell people that what is good what is he will identify it but the evil doesn't let it happen and so he is not getting his followers for decades for one decade not decades for about 10 to 12 years he has very few followers and then sartusha was born in eastern Iran where we generally today is Azerbaijan so that is generally referred to as the birthplace of prophet Azerbaijan or a city near it called rice City so from there in his Divine missions is traveling westwards study eastwards from west to east so uh Azerbaijan is in west of Iran is going to bhaktriya and as I told you before also bakria at that time was the capital of the Kings which is modern day Afghanistan yeah bactria okay they called it bulkhead that time okay so he reached bacteria well the King was ruling the Cayenne King by the name of Kai vishtas and he was impressed by him he


vishtas and he was impressed by him he took him in his court Prophet explained everything to him he was convinced by his uh teachings and he said that I will support you first of all myself and my family we are masday asnis but we agree and accept you as a prophet then a lot of things happen in the court I don't think we will be going into all those details uh there are enemies within the court also Prophet is accused of being a black magician is put into prison again released by divine intervention then again he gives several proofs to the king to show his Divine um assignment and finally Prof King Vistas is um accepts him as the prophet and then it becomes a sort of a state religion and then Prophet zarathusra spends the last few uh years of his life in a fire temple over there along with the father of King Kai Vistas uh called King kailoras and then the end of zarthushra is also like um debatable in


of zarthushra is also like um debatable in a sense uh so many people in the past read an allegorical story and they took it to be real and they said that prophets are thusra died because a turanian you know Iranians and turanians were Arch enemies in those ancient Iranian times so where is duranian from Turan is east of Iran what we today we have China Turkmenistan Mongolia all those areas were in ancient were part of ancient Iran then ancient Iran was trifurcated we did not got go into the geography but even in the pastalian dynasty itself it was trifurcated means divided into three parts one was what we call Europe now which is Europe one which is Iran proper and one which was China Mongolia Turkmenistan so Iran and Turan were Arch enemies so in the life story of a prophet we are told that a turanian murders Prophets now this was an allegorical story which people took very literally actually Prophet was so strong


people took very literally actually Prophet was so strong spiritually that we are told that Satan himself foreign fortification was so strong and powerful neither is demons could approach him so what actually happened is this tour was also the term for the collective evils of the Earth that was called tur also and that Collective evil of the world was stopped by zarthushra because it was coming onto the Earth and was at that time 77 years of age he knew that his mission had come to an end and he had to bring an end to the world he has already put the demons Underground he had given prayers and rituals and ethics to the world to look after themselves but what about the collected evil which had gathered up to them that that would also come on to the Earth so as his last mission he took on this tour which means the collective evil and in that process his physical mental and spiritual components were merged into the different elements but this tour was destroyed so this sort of the


but this tour was destroyed so this sort of the thing that would come on to the Earth this Collective evil had been stopped by him as his last Act of prophethood which is also a way to say that he's still there on the Earth today like he's mixed into the elements his physical form is mixed into the elements his soul uh which we call urwan in avasta and his Spirit which we call the fravashi is existent and still guides people still guides people uh because a spirit a soul uh does not have a location it does not have any location it can be anywhere anytime so it is can be there in heaven it can be there in highest heaven but whenever called upon it is present there so we believe that whenever there is this um navjot ritual now is the ritual of confirmation into zoration religion a child's confirmation into the Russian religion is called so we believe that the guardian Spirit of is always present to Bless the Child and connect him to the religion


Bless the Child and connect him to the religion formally because the very fact that he is born means that he is Born Into as a Russian foal but that confirmation process happens at the time of Navajo you've carried out many enough jokes yes and you feel something happening in that ceremony when it comes to the prophet as well definitely definitely we all feel a presence of a divine uh component in the ritual which we have to then as a priest transfer into the child that's why the person who performs the navjot has to be really a person who has the caliber to identify he has to be so ritually pure to identify that thing and then transmit it to the child so when the navajoth is taking place the priest actually blesses the child with this energy by putting his hand on the shoulders you often see that the way of blessing is putting your hand on the shoulders so by putting his hand on the shoulders the priest transfers that spiritual continuity


the shoulders the priest transfers that spiritual continuity from the prophet to him to the child there's so many mystical aspects of zoracianism that I've learned like through this episode so um this so much has happened in Parsi history in general also post this I don't think we should be talking about it in this episode because it's sort of an intro to um you on the channel I think at this point we should like stop the podcast is there any aspect that I have missed out that you would like to mention like that I didn't ask you and I know there was there's a whole topics that we've not covered which is uh the philosophy aspect of it the actual angelology uh demonology of it which I think we'll do in another episode yeah I think this was good for an introduction because hopefully if you are going to invite me again if at all there are any lakune or anything which has been missed out we'll try to cover it in this but the important thing


try to cover it in this but the important thing that one has to remember is that um the Russian religion is today considered as one of the friendliest religion in the sense that we don't convert anybody we don't believe in conversion we believe in coexistence parses are generally appreciated as humorous people people who are willing to do good because in zoration religion charity is not a virtue it is a religious injunction why because any charity would drive away evil so once again we come into that good and evil aspect that you do charity somebody's hunger goes away somebody's anger goes away somebody's ignorance goes away somebody's disease goes away you are fighting evil so that's why um so Russians always like to live peacefully and coexist with the world but at the same time see to it that their identity is maintained because they have been able to maintain that identity for as I said close to now thousands of years more than eight thousand ten thousand years so we


more than eight thousand ten thousand years so we believe that it is up to us on us to see to it that an identity we hope to maintain for the future generations and Millennia to come you know and uh I think in the phase of the internet uh this is the beauty of this kind of work and these kind of conversations that you're capturing it on the internet forever hopefully um what I will also say is all my Parsi friends are the reason I mental health has been in check over the years uh some of my closest friends in the world are parsis and there's always goodness uh in Parsi culture so thank you sir uh just it was an honor of learning from you and relaying this information to the audiences we are going to be doing more episodes with you but for this one because it was such a heavy episode I had to cut it short a little bit I hope we've done Justice to uh the intro episode at least thank you I knew it was such a pleasure


thank you I knew it was such a pleasure talking to you like us thank you so much and uh at the end of uh our greeting to anybody when we part is yes which means may God keep on protecting you thank you thank you sir uh looking forward to speaking to you again thank you thank you that was the episode with ramyaar sir I am sure that all the regular listeners of TRS would have enjoyed this one I feel we have a lot of Hindu listeners thanks to the huge number of Hindu episodes we've done that's why this year I want to bring other perspectives as well I feel knowledge is one of those things that gets enhanced when you learn a completely different perspective even if it's against your own beliefs in fact when you learn something that's against your beliefs it's better for your ability to learn for your ability to unlearn for your humility levels and for your wisdom feel knowledge is just accumulating data wisdom is allowing that data and that knowledge to sit


is allowing that data and that knowledge to sit in your head and turn into something even better so if you want to turn your knowledge into wisdom learn things from a 360 degree perspective this year is about inter-religious studies this is one of our first episodes on a religion other than Hinduism and we have a lot more coming your way keep supporting the ranveer show and keep following us on Spotify every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world remember make sure you download my meditation app level super mind as well if you want to begin your own meditation journey and whether you're a beginner whether you're an intermediate whether you're an advanced practitioner level super mind as you covered on the other hand is going to be back for another epic special on zoroastrian philosophy so tell me what you thought of this episode drop your comments in the comment section below lots of love guys [Music]


sometimes you find a person who maybe is 30 40 involved in things which you don't like terrible things then one day he wakes up and he realizes ah this is not my purpose and he goes back why because as krsna says in the Gita to Arjuna whatever spiritual sadhana you do it's there like a bank balance to you however many lives he said look I can do this this this how are you smiling he said the relation don't change but then he said look here my hands are here he showed like this my hands are here look look here so he said here like this then he did like this then you produce one rudra and he said then I can give it to you it won't disappear you can keep it forever put it in your neck do you want to put it in your neck no afterwards like this is what you have oh my God if you want then I will make a hole for you I just gotta give the listener some context can I give a hole in


the listener some context can I give a hole in this so that you can use it yes sir put a string through [Music] my God okay on this is on camera I don't know it got captured for the audio listeners on camera we just it smells very nice throughout the Journey of the ranvi show we've had some extremely epic moments but none as epic as a Himalayan Master SRI M manifesting A rudraksh out of thin air live on the show this moment stayed with my team we've been discussing it since the day we recorded this podcast but honestly every time we speak to Shri M he gives us some of the most epic content I believe his last episode with us is the highest viewed TRS episode ever I highly recommend that you go check it out to understand the story of this man because this episode is more philosophy Centric more thought Centric and I'd even say deeper and more spiritually fulfilling if you're someone who loves the spiritual episodes


if you're someone who loves the spiritual episodes of TRS this episode which SRI m is going to be extremely memorable for you for more episodes just like this make sure you follow us on Spotify every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world because we're a Spotify exclusive foil let you slip into this one I will remind you that my meditation app level supermind is now live on the App Store and the Play Store make sure you download it make sure you use it especially if you wish to begin or enhance your meditation process an epic episode of Sri M with yours truly is now beginning [Music] how are you sir I'm good very good um last time's episode was beyond epic it was so epic it was so many learnings so many stories uh audiences kind of call it one of the favorite episodes of all time and it's nice to hear yeah we clocked in a huge number of views because of all your experiences it also


number of views because of all your experiences it also because of questions proper question well I'm glad so honored to be doing this with you again honestly thank you uh has anything changed in your life since the last time we spoke yes that have become more and more busy I mean that's what has changed okay and maybe I got fed up of Shaving these days so much change too busy I think the Beard's looking cool thank you it's a bit of a cricketer vibe okay so the last time the way we did the podcast was we did your story from your childhood yeah up to maybe the age of 19 or 20 yeah and it was just in those 20 years that we extracted so many stories and so much information yeah there is two ways in which I want to take this podcast one is a continuation of the last time okay but two honestly is a lot of my own questions because after very long time we're doing a spiritual conversation sure so I think we'll just begin from there so


sure so I think we'll just begin from there so um there was a long period in your life where you took a very serious sadhna with uh your Guru and I think that's about the point where we left off from the last time yeah so uh I would like for you to begin there maybe let's let's actually begin with a very simple question which is a concept of a guru I think a lot of young spiritual Seekers don't even understand how important that is and that's the one lesson I've gained through the show that you might gain spiritual knowledge through the internet through Google but it can be dangerous so two questions what's a guru second is why can it be dangerous if you do it without a guru right so to answer your second question first it's not actually dangerous in that sense of the term but you might wander around quite a bit without going on the right track that itself from the spiritual point of view is a waste of time if you don't have a proper teacher


of time if you don't have a proper teacher you might wander around in your own ways good to learn but then without proper direction by the time you look back you might have spent a lot of time not being able to do anything substantial this problem is there by wandering around you mean different paths not different parts not only different parts look if you go into the internet to various teachers various teachings and then you don't know how to choose what to do so you do little bit here you do little bit there you do it there is no full attention one point at sadhana going on see whatever path you choose so therefore you one wastes a lot of time in my case I was lucky that I even though I met many yogis and spiritual people I found myself and I kind of accepted him as my teacher so it was a little better for me because I was properly guided if I had doubts I could ask him sometimes if I did something wrong I would be in a way I would


something wrong I would be in a way I would say punished and when I did something good there will be some appreciation and here was a treasure House of experience and knowledge from whom I derived a lot of goodness from there okay so this is why it may be better of course there are many parts the problem is that what we are searching for generally spiritually I'm saying purely spiritually not good health good mind all this is part of your practice of yoga and meditation but suppose one is looking the higher Horizon and you're looking for purely spiritual then it's so vast and infinite that one can't say that this is the only way to it I don't say I I always say kriya yoga is my parampara my tradition but Babaji himself used to ask what career did mirabai do hmm you'll have to give some context India many people know that mirabai was a princess a queen of some Kingdom in Rajasthan or somewhere I don't know I'm not sure


or somewhere I don't know I'm not sure now she was a Krishna bhakta all the times she was worshiping her Krishna and wanted to have a darshan actual meeting with Krishna she didn't have any knowledge of scripture she didn't have any such thing and yet she's supposed to have been highly spiritual and quite many versions of the deity of the infinite whom she worshiped as Krishna she did not practice any paranayam did not do any yoga she didn't know any of these things but she did get there and she was such an important person that a great Yogi like ramananda when he you know he used to not meet women he used to keep himself shut and he would meet one by one people and if women go he would say I don't want to meet them as because they're a distraction for the yogi yeah so he went there to meet him he said I don't want to somebody said this is meerabai he said no I still don't want to


meerabai he said no I still don't want to see her so wherever I send him a note he said you don't want to see women from my point of view there's only one man Krishna all you you are women which one so he said bring her in you know right so such a person did not do any kriya yoga or anything of that kind no but I am not I'm not saying it's my parampara I'll defend it with all my might but yeah and Ramana mahashi on the other side he was in Jani I mean one who sought the truth through inquiry Nana yoga okay by questioning questioning trying to find out for himself what is his true identity who he was you know he's he's only uh one formula he put He said which means I am not the body then who am I I am that to him soham means it's not just a mantra so it means that I am so um and he so papaji always used to us don't think that everybody


always used to us don't think that everybody has to do kriya there are some people who are yogically inclined for their career is good but even Korea will become a mechanical exercise if you don't have that serious inquiry and trying to find out your true identity and also you don't have a little bit of devotion in your heart please become a mechanical practice you know like kabirdas used to say which means if there is no devotion love Etc in the heart it's as good as machine as a cremation ground he said even the Bellows of a blacksmith you know those old type Bellows which blacks images they also breathe but they don't have life hmm see so it's even kriya should not become mechanical process they should be earning for moving forward there should be an amount of tea I would call it heart in it yeah and so on so this is why why I'm saying all this is because I had a teacher who taught me all this properly therefore I


teacher who taught me all this properly therefore I think it's in a way even if you spend some time trying to explore what is my path who finally it's good idea to click on to someone and go on practicing and like you if you keep digging borewells everywhere 10 feet then dig another you won't get water one place go deep you might get something out there okay um you know the reason I'm bringing up this question is because it's been a very active question uh over the last two weeks we've had some very incredible celebrities on the show uh and all of them seem to have achieved a certain degree of self-actualization uh and a few more people and everyone highlighted how important Destiny has been in their own Journeys uh and of course I know that Destiny plays a role but it was weird how all these six seven broadcasts we did everyone brought up Destiny and how they're an outcome of circumstance and uh circumstance is something I've been thinking about a


uh circumstance is something I've been thinking about a lot as well I feel even this podcast happens because the relationship I share with my mother is a very podcasting relationship since I was a little kid always had deep conversation stories from both sides that's why I enjoy this job those are my circumstances uh do you believe that Destiny is a very important factor in a spiritual journey as well like everyone has their own timelines and whoever's actually meant to fall into this path will fall into their path I do believe that there is some kind of a plan of course which you might call Destiny but also there are many people who get this plan but who are not able to move forward really because they're not putting in enough effort into it so I also give equal importance to look it also we have passed through maybe 200 million years of genetic Evolution right so there is a lot of mixing and remixing of genetics so every person you see is a mixture of two million years


person you see is a mixture of two million years of so some parts of our brain are already wired because of the genes right we cannot deny that even if you don't want to believe in past birth you don't but you still are wired in some way 200 million years not even two births or three birds genetic evolution now given that we have also given opportunities and openings to work and when that opportunity comes we need to make and take advantage of the opportunity then it works of course if it doesn't work one thing about understanding is that well it hasn't worked probably because I didn't put in enough work or maybe I'm not testing so let me change and look at some other way two ways of looking at it I'm saying for the youngsters especially you just now mentioned many people were young people so while yes they appreciated that they were destined in some way but they put in a lot of hard work where in their Sava I could not have reached there without batting or


I could not have reached there without batting or bully I don't know what he does for hours together there may be I must tell you this I went to Hong Kong some years ago there was a guy called Hari Leela you're still there I think he must have been at that time 92 years old a little bit on the back side but very active and so on so he invited me for lunch in his own hotel so he told me this life you know it's like snakes and ladders I said what you said he said because he also holds the uh franchise for all the uh how did that holidays oh holidays throughout South Asia okay big man Hindi man so he told me I said why do you say that he said sometimes you up and sometimes you're down and the guy when he's down thinks I should go up is the fellow who Rises finally but then he said luck he called it luck for Destiny also Place its part he said when he said he started his career


part he said when he said he started his career in Hong Kong as a tailor who could make a sweet suits overnight when you order in the morning you get your delivery in the evening and there were lot of westerners at that time that point in Hong Kong he started it he said many of my friends also were in the same business they were also doing the same I came up they didn't so I can't explain this call it luck call it destiny but he said I worked very hard if I had not worked hard I could not have come but there were others also working I don't come up so you have to have a balance between these two things you can't simply say Destiny and sleep hmm okay when your opportunity comes and the blueprint is ready you should start working on it okay in order to understand this concept of opportunity coming your way the one thing I have to ask you now is the story again uh I think something we didn't touch upon the last time was uh your time


didn't touch upon the last time was uh your time before you were born in this body and I know it's something you've spoken about in your books and uh there was a lot of readers of your book who had checked out the podcast and if you go through a comment section on that episode a lot of people have requested for this question yeah yeah so if you read I wrote a book after The Autobiography it's called The Journey continues okay in which I have stated a few of my past life experiences so I have not been able to put together many but those who I could put together in some way these I have written about my past lives there you will see that even this me sitting here attained a certain level of spiritual understanding fully only in this life I have worked so hard in many lives even though I had a teacher coming Babaji was following me for many lives really rather I was following him for many lives my first experience takes me what I remember takes me


my first experience takes me what I remember takes me back to even the time of krsna's time and after that as one of the founders of the ruling family of Jaisalmer even before Jason all these places there were some instructor for me it was a teacher from Jaisalmer Babaji came into the picture and in fact it was he who designed the coat of arms for the Jaisalmer royal family and then after a great deal of War he said that we Buzz Karo now go into your spiritual uh part fully this is the beginning so I have so what I can say what you can draw from this is that one starts very early and works hard many lives may you may take to come to a point where this is the last level you attain your spiritual understanding so to say that some people got it young some people until they're dead they're not able to find it those who got it young are those who have already gone through it in a great way many times and this life they have


a great way many times and this life they have completing their son what is Young are some people at the age of eight for instance Babaji visited me at the out of the blue people would think but no it is a link to the past foreign um at the age of 14 he got this experience suddenly that is he was separated from his body he didn't do any sadhana before that he had no teacher nothing nothing that we know of and he felt that he was out of his body and then he saw his body lying there and he said to himself if I am not the body because I can see it lying there then who am I that's where his inquiry started so how did he get there at 14 there are many people who go 14 years of age nothing happens to them there is something in the past when I say young I mean quite early in life that's what I meant okay and one more thing since we are saying this you never know who has reached to air in this


you never know who has reached to air in this life until something clicks sometimes you find a person who maybe is 30 40 involved in things which you don't like terrible things then one day he wakes up and he realizes ah this is not my purpose and he goes back why because as krsna says in the Gita to Arjuna whatever spiritual sadhana you do it's there like a bang balance to you however many lives you kept it's there you don't have to start at Square One started two three wherever you left it off hmm okay do you remember anything about the birth at krishna's time H there in the book it's a little bit alone I'm a little bit embarrassed saying that is a female body and so on okay you can be born as a female or a male has no sex okay why does the soul choose to be born as a male or a female depending on what experiences it needs to gather and there are different experiences for both yeah generally yeah of course


different experiences for both yeah generally yeah of course a maid and a female face the same situation in life you'll see there are two different reactions hmm hormonally different various things would you like to shed some light on uh people who are born in trans bodies yes of course you know this is a case of some mix up of hormones where people are neither here nor there every human being has male and female hormones it is well known for some the female hormones are more so they are females for some the men foreign you know it's like that but sometimes it look it's not a new thing Shiva himself one of his major manifestations is which means half male half remade so which means certain characteristics like art literature things like that they are more manifest in the feminine aspect of a human being while strings of physical strength and you know go-getting and things like that they come from the male aspect even if your hormones are balanced and you are born into a male or as


balanced and you are born into a male or as a female it's a good idea to develop the opposite traits to some extent for balance or balance so now for instance in yoga clear and any other yoga pranayama we know that there is the Eda and the pingala you'll have to give context is the Nadi that flows from the brain down to you on the left side and pingle up first from the right to the left it it's like an astral nerve correct but it corresponds to the uh uh the nadis correspond to the parasympathetic nervous system and the vagus nerve which controls the heart lungs and so on and they are but actually we are talking about the psychic energy rather than a physical energy so in the physical body it would be your vagus now exactly it actually has actual significance yes yes okay so when you say Nadi we mean both actually on the right side is called the cool Nadi that is in fact is the feminine system and the right is called


is the feminine system and the right is called the pingalanadi which is the Plus and I say plus and minus not in a bad way minus but opposite the cathode and anode let's so you can't say this is lesson that is more without both you cannot do anything yes so in in the practice of pranayam we try to balance both so that is why they do what is called anulo Milo you breathe in through one nostril breathe into that going through the left hold for a while breathe out through the right breathe into the right hold and go out to the left this is called a little alternate breathing this balances the plus and minus in your body and for a spiritual person it's required to balance both you need both hmm which is why like some great people not all but like ramakrishna the guru of Swami Vivekananda everybody knows of me chaitanya mahaprabhu they did their sadhana considering themselves as the concert of Krishna but that male body


as the concert of Krishna but that male body they definitely not trans head male body so the mind was working that way you see so for the yogi who doesn't want to get too much caught up in the emotional turmoil of these emotions the balance through anulum below to the practice of one room which is I think essential to move forward okay it balances the nadis having said that I think both properties or both trades are part of a human being male or female although it may not in many instances be overtly visible as a physical manifestation okay have you ever been in love with a human being in this life English life yes I have this was after your spiritual journey began first I was in love with Mahesh or not you my master I mean love doesn't mean only just physical you know like no like romantic love romantic love I had little bit with my wife before I got married but this was after your spiritual journey does spiritual growth reduce the amount of romance yeah you you can still


reduce the amount of romance yeah you you can still be Shahrukh Khan of course and I don't know how romantic is I really don't know but what you see in film may not be the truth also yeah which we can't say but I think it's possible you know somewhere there is a misunderstanding that if you are spiritual your heart becomes Stone no in fact your heart becomes more sensitive and perhaps more selfless but more sensitive so emotions like love affection all these things are quite common attachment may not be there judgment is when you get obsessed with something so when you're saying attachment is not there this means that you are not completely dependent on see attachment is a question of dependence love need not be dependent okay can be free okay or even romantic love yeah absolutely like even if they go I will let them because I love them exactly maybe they like somebody better so why who knows it's okay no no I'm kidding okay little straightforward question for you okay what do you think


little straightforward question for you okay what do you think your wife's past lives were to land up with you who's pretty much a sage in a modern body in this life what good karma or generally what Karma she done to have you as a husband can I put it this way because she might watch the podcast maybe what good karma he did to me let's put it actually uh I don't know I have not delved it to her past lives it's it's not allowed to look into somebody else's past life you know it's like reading private letters there must be something that she has ended up with sometimes one would say crackpot like me and has gone through a lot of difficulties because of that but I'm never there I'm going here I'm going there very fact that she says okay that's how his life is and is balanced shows a sign of spiritual maturity something is there that is not possible I know there are lots of people who say oh we love you sir but it's different


say oh we love you sir but it's different okay she also spiritual spiritual but she does her yoga she she's a good human being she doesn't she's a vegetarian she doesn't she's not interested in buying things holding none of these things and she's a very kind person if that is spiritual yes she is so other than meditation sadhna prayer there are different activities that dictate how spiritual or not exactly like service you know I meet people apart from my wife I meet people who say that we don't believe in all these spiritual God stuff you know but we believe that human beings are by Nature truly good something is covering their feelings so they are acting like this and we like to serve human beings hmm they say we like to serve human beings we don't believe in any of the spiritual stuff that you're talking about but we do service to unfortunate human beings I think that is also a sign of spiritual maturity something in their past lives has brought them to


something in their past lives has brought them to that stage where they are able to do selfless work and help Humanity such people I personally believe after a while they will get automatically naturally interested in spiritual things because the mind is getting purified foreign I want to talk about your first few days with your master because I am assuming you weren't meditating too much before that phase where you actually started meditating with him what were the first few days of training like I don't know whether you can call it training but I'm assuming there was some things he made you do some activities that maybe purified you this is where we begin creating the sequel from the last episode a few key terms in that one were higher beings uh Yeti uh Babaji so let's let's begin in that tangent again see it's like this I was meditating I won't say that I was not meditating but I didn't know exactly how to go about it I was doing in my own way like many young people who are interested


my own way like many young people who are interested as to say it for some time in Sunset to enclose my eyes and you know after Babaji met me and put his hand on my head at the age of eight I was not normal after that I mean I did everything that young people did in school in college but there was one part of my mind which was meditative which was looking at how to acquire more knowledge regarding these matters meeting people all that was already happening it's not that it was not happening when I met Babaji for the first time physically again I mean this was only for five minutes and I was eight years old and when I started living with him he then put me into a certain route of meditation like how many times how how many hours you should meditate and then he taught me kriya taught me how to practice kriya when it comes to career yoga a lot of our listeners have read the autobiography of a yogi where yoga spoken about as


of a yogi where yoga spoken about as a very fast uh way of advancing spiritually but I believe there's also some sort of warm-up that your body needs to reach that point yes correct I I told you I think I remember saying last time to you but that in the spiritual uh Journey there is no jet plane path everything is hard work we need to I mean people have said that but I don't totally subscribe to this okay uh just because you have taken career you shouldn't think that I am now I'm no there are many preparations required you need to adjust your emotions your feelings has to be followed and then when you've done that it also depends on how much career you are doing if you ask ordinary normal person to sit down now do every day three hours okay it's not possible so you need to go slowly so I started with half an hour but he was an expert in this mind matters first he told me half an hour then you go one hour then 45 minutes


an hour then you go one hour then 45 minutes one hour like that there was a time when I was meditating almost six hours a day really six hours meaning doing kriya for about three four hours it's very important for all career practitioners that after the technique you have to meditate silently or something and that silent meditation period started increasing for me because when you do Korea you're absorbed in the inner you begin to enjoy it the last part of meditation is to just allow yourself to enjoy it without doing anything no mantras or anything nothing it's called pure sakshi which means witness okay let me give some context to the listeners because a lot of people associate meditation with maybe some Western techniques uh that they've learned and that those are also fine but it's about focus on your breath focus on the sounds around you when you're talking about kriya or kriya related meditations there's a very particular technique it might be something related to breathing or a mantra it is which


related to breathing or a mantra it is which pushes you into a very deep State exactly uh it is a focus based technique but then when you come out of it and there are ways to come out uh you need to spend some time in silence and just absorb what see I'm losing words just absorb what your body has seen very important this is very important at the end this has to be done so I did that and then you know Babaji always traveled he never stayed in one place for very long so we travel from place to place he always went on foot so I also walked with him there's no way out and everywhere we stopped whenever he found a good great Yogi or somebody who has sometimes you used to take me to people today I don't consider it to be great yogis that time I would have fallen for it they had some powers like they use some cities and they used to do something normally I would have fallen for it but why you always alerted me


fallen for it but why you always alerted me this is not the end of the student I I won't tell you on in this part you know it's interesting many people come and say can I have this siddhi that's okay let's tell him look this is not the aim of your practice yes as you practice on the way you might come across you know touch things but they're useless move forward they're distractions from them and goes I I must tell you it's not people say oh it's because you cannot do anything yourself or yes it is not like that so um this uh ramakrishna had a guru he had many gurus one of his gurus was bhairavi brahmani it was a lady who was supposed to have been a disciple of trilanga Swami the Great whose samadhi is in banarasana she taught him the vaishnavatantras and she went off many years later two of ramakrishna's Guru Bhai one of them's name one name was manikandan he came back and


name one name was manikandan he came back and met uh ramakrishna I used to call him garadar so because they've known each other and he said hey ramkrishna had a habit of late night midnight to walk away into the panchavati a group of five trees near dakshinesha and meditated midnight he had to take a lantern so one day manikandan said hey Guru Bhai Dada you you don't need a lantern he said why said because I have a light here okay I can put that light for you and the story is that he opened his whatever and showed a light and RAM Krishna went and meditated and came back after coming back ramakrishna said to him you may think I don't have these capacities doesn't matter I don't I'm not interested but this is not good for you from tomorrow you cannot use this light it is gone and it was gone why was it not good for him what is the use of showing light in the night through here you have a torch


light in the night through here you have a torch it's as simple as that you have to do more things so I saw a lot of great kind of Yogi types you know I was not Babaji also explained to me the principle how these things operate they're not such a big deal if you practice certain things Six Days Seven Days with me you can also do something it's not a big deal when do I get to meet you sir foreign don't say anything he said look here my hands are here he showed like this my hands are here look look here so he said here like this then he did like this then you produce one rudra and he said yeah then I can give it to you it won't disappear you can keep it forever put it in your neck do you want to put it in your neck no afterwards like this is what you have oh my God if you want then I will make a hole for you I just gotta give the listener some context can I give a hole in


the listener some context can I give a hole in this so that you can use it yes sir put a string through oh yeah my God okay on this is on camera I don't know it got captured for the audio listeners on camera we just got created out of thin air and it smells very nice you want to check oh no my God so I what I mean to say is I have seen all this right but I don't think it's a big deal this is not a big deal you come with me stay nine days you will also do it's what I'm why did I do this just to tell you that is not a big deal it's it's this is not what we are aiming at I'm a little speechless sorry okay people producing ashes producing it's see what happens people get sidetracked and go away and then they always expect this thing to happen that's it I am saying so I watched all this that was part of my spirit since you asked me about spiritual training I was


since you asked me about spiritual training I was taken to all these guys and shown all these things and said look this is not it meditate deeper go to Your Inner Essence right so this is part of the training to go beyond the distractions and this is nothing see this is not produced from teenage let me put it it's somewhere but I have agencies which can bring them here that is different not physical agencies higher beings or little fellows but it's what I'm trying to say it's not a big deal you don't have to be highly spiritual person to do this also I have seen horrible people but they have some powers like this which asks you something this is it it's talking to me is telling me about your life and things and people fall for it wow okay uh so many thoughts right now the question I have for you sir is um what's happening in the world right now and why are you why are you appearing on podcasts can you keep that safe I