all these massive changes that came about due to the industrial revolution i have to stop you there just for a second because uh i feel that the point of podcast is what your history books don't teach you anywhere in the world uh two questions and we've brought this up in our previous podcast as well do you think that secret society slash illuminati slash a small group of powerful individuals were actually responsible for these decisions because when you read about this in retrospect where one guy getting killed sparked off an entire war it can't be as simple as that and they have to have been other motivations for people to go to war and often when countries go to war it does boost the economy like we've seen in the case of russia and ukraine so were the actual underlying economic angles to this that do you think according to you as a geopolitical observer as someone who's very well read about history what were the underlying intentions that we don't read about in history books so the


that we don't read about in history books so the first question is about illuminati the second question is um about this whole uh britain angle do you think even they wanted the war back then do you think that uh keeping all this whole imperialistic world in mind the colonies of the world uh what was britain's kind of game plan back then so let's come to britain first britain was playing a defensive game they had a big empire to manage they did not want to lose access to the empire and they needed access to certain choke points like sways uh the persian gulf and things like that they also were dependent on on oil from mesopotamia from kuwait from present-day iraq that region so they had a big network they they administered about one-fourth of the world's geography and they it was a defensive game for that if things spiral out of control they will lose access to certain territories which will be a disaster for them because empire is what matters so britain was they


because empire is what matters so britain was they did not want war okay they were trying to i mean they were actually isolated they did not care much but then they were trying to kind of uh stop war if possible right so that was their stance now illuminati and all that see the europe was a tinderbox at the time it was a tinderbox because of all these old rivalries and and ethnic enmities and feuds the ottoman empire had has had uh converted certain populations in bosnia to a different religion with islamic religion you had christians you had muslims in a certain region and you also had old rivalries between these families between these dynasties so they all so looked at each other with suspicion with jealousy with with enmity and all it needed was a spark to set the whole thing a flame kind of where the world stands right now with china possibly on the verge of invading this is why we discuss these matters because there are certain uh patterns


discuss these matters because there are certain uh patterns which happen in a cyclic manner like you say and we may be seeing something very similar today also again you know this is why when young students say oh why should i study history what's the point of history one it teaches you the art of storytelling two it teaches you how to predict the future of your own race yes so it is very important that's why even i want to revise this world war two and world war one kind of history okay i'll let you continue so what happened all right so the the archduke franz ferdinand was was assassinated in sarajevo what happens is that the austro-hungarian empire blames uh serbia for that russia says we are allies with serbia austro-hungary asks germany is it okay if you go to war with serbia i say go ahead go ahead so they declare war on serbia in july end of july uh 1914 they tried to attack serbia they they bombard


they tried to attack serbia they they bombard serbia but doesn't work the serbs resist totally fiercely and that goes nowhere but now what happens is that germany takes the opportunity they they declare war i mean kind of declare war on two sides on on russia and on france now the germany france region there's a whole old history there the germans had a next some part of france in the last war in the 19th century so the french had some some debts to pay there but the german france border was very well fortified there were very strong french fortifications so the germans went through luxembourg and belgium the moment they entered belgium the british said we have assured belgium's neutrality you have broken that so we need to get involved in this so the british get involved they send troops to france and all that so that's what happens now the germans there's something called the schlieffen plan the the schlieffen plan was that germany would advance


the the schlieffen plan was that germany would advance through luxembourg through belgium from the north and then invade france and take paris so that happens they go through belgium there's a very strong belgian resistance then the british also get involved then these guys come all the way into france and there is this the battle of the man river there's a river called the man terrible terrible battle and then they try to take paris doesn't work out and then over time what happens is that there is trench warfare that happens so both sides dig in they create trenches in these trenches they go from the north sea all the way to switzerland you you gotta give a little context on trenches so trench warfare so what happens is that both sides they dig trenches against each other maybe they are 50 meters apart maybe 100 meters apart you can hear the other side talking but you are dung into your trenches and then you can fight each other for


trenches and then you can fight each other for months at a time it's terrible it's oppressive there are rats there are dead bodies it's you can't remove them it's horrific disease disease of all kinds of typhus and cholera and whatnot so this is what happened on the western front the line was frozen for for a very long time on the eastern front what happens is that the ottoman empire allies with germany with austro-hungary and they declare war on russia so in the caucasus region they try to invade russia doesn't work it's a disaster the troops freeze to death in the thousands tens of thousands ottoman troops that doesn't work they try to bomb odessa sevastopol these places which are currently at war right now the ottoman empire tries to do that doesn't work then the british land an indian expeditionary force in kuwait in today to try and take mesopotamia present day iraq that kind of ends in a disaster our people


that kind of ends in a disaster our people die in that uh fighting the ottoman empire fighting the ottoman empire on on the side of the british mr mr mohandas gandhi was actively involved in recruiting millions of indian soldiers for this i think about a million and a half indian soldiers fought for the british in this war right so what happens is that there is internationalization of the conflict yeah um you know that's actually what's not spoken about yes even in indian textbooks i remember studying world war one and world war ii once in the fifth grade once in about i think the eighth or ninth grade and nowhere was it mentioned that there was a lot of indian troops i won't say india i call it brown troops subcontinental troops involved in these battles and how when they say british took part it was heavily actually uh subcontinental troops there was a lot of subcontinental involvement with this british india about a million and a half indian


british india about a million and a half indian troops british raj troops fought for the british died for the british then there was a british attempt to uh reinforce the russian position to do that they had to go through the turkish traits this was a plan hatched by winston churchill so there are two narrow choke points in turkey the dardanelles and the bosphorus the boss forest trades in the dardanal strait so the british tried to land an expeditionary force at the dardanelles that ended in complete disaster because of a turkish general called mustafa kamal who became the eventually the dictator and the father of modern turkey so this guy stopped the british when he defeated the defeated them over many months of horrific fighting terrible fighting so the ottoman empire is involved they try to invade egypt and take sways that again is defended by the british because they need that too for access to india and the ottoman empire fails there


access to india and the ottoman empire fails there so there's a lot happening then germany and france are still fighting italy gets involved because they are on the side of the allies not on side of germany and they start fighting the auto or the austro-hungarian empire there is a certain river whose name i forget they fought like 12 15 500 800 battles there never moved so that went on for a very long time all kinds of sides are involved in this uh so like in the same way that the british used uh subcontinental troops i'm dead sure they must have used all uh like troops from other colonies as well yes yes uh and similarly did the other european powers also bring all their colonies into play indeed that's why they now called the first world war because the germans they had possessions in africa uh togoland cameroon german south west africa which is now called namibia there was eastern there was an eastern territory as well so all of this


an eastern territory as well so all of this got involved the french had many many possessions colonies in africa they recruited about a million soldiers black african soldiers from there and made them fight in the european war so everything got involved the germans had possessions in the pacific islands that they possessed the japanese got involved the japanese were on the side of the british at this time in world war one the japanese took over various german islands and possessions and a german position in china as well australia and new zealand took over some other german territories in in the asia pacific region so everything got involved here the whole world is kind of involved in others in south america and south america yes there was action near south america also german warships they fought the british navy near the falkland islands and there was a battle naval battle there is also so everywhere there is something other happening some action happening then what happens is even


some action happening then what happens is even bulgaria got involved in this on the side of the germans and austro-hungary and then austria-hungary and bulgaria together invades in 1915 they invade serbia and they defeat serbia serbia the serbians have to escape through albania and get out of the country so serbia was destroyed defeated and lot is happening over here the germans had a very powerful navy they had pioneered undersea warfare they had submarines called u-boats they were used to operate in wolf packs and they the british imposed a naval blockade on germany the germans used submarines to fight the british navy wow yeah the americans were supplying britain with all kinds of materials all kinds of foods because there was a war going on there was no means to produce all of that in europe so the americans were supplying britain with this the germans went into the atlantic and they started sinking the american ships so america gets


they started sinking the american ships so america gets pulled into the war now so america protested then they the germans toned it down for some time but then they saw that the british are being reinforced constantly by the americans so by 1960 1917 the germans again went all out and started attacking all these supply ships now what happened here is that the americans they were helping the the allied powers through uh sending them arms ammunition and food because of this the allied powers especially britain became heavily indebted to the americans because they were buying all this on credit and they would eventually have to pay it back so eventually the americans got fed up of the german uh thing and they also got involved in the war then the americans got involved they slowly entered the fray in europe and slowly the whole thing was shattered the ottomans surrendered the austria-hungary empire also surrendered and eventually the germans had were made to


and eventually the germans had were made to surrender there was a revolution in russia in 1917 two revolutions the in the first revolution the tsar was forced to abdicate and a provisional government came to power they continued the war then there was a second revolution a bolshevik revolution which eventually gave rise to the ussr and after the bolshevik revolution happened the the they said we will not fight so the lions were frozen on the eastern side the the germans and the russians they they signed an agreement no more fighting the russians were able to concentrate on the west but eventually they were defeated there so then there was this uh armistice the treaty of versailles in which the russians were not involved the germans were not involved the ottoman empire was destroyed divided into small pieces yeah and there was a turkish turkish war of independence that mustafa kamala fought and won because of which turkey is one single country otherwise it would have been broken into


one single country otherwise it would have been broken into pieces the austro-hungarian empire was was dismantled austria came out of it hungary came out of it various other states czech czech republic slovak republic and so much more was carved out of this austro-hungarian empire germany lost lots of territory the country of poland was created out of this and including some russian possessions the russia germans were blamed solely for the entire war they were made to pay very very heavy reparations to the other powers which they had fought with and this was a complete humiliation and a young austrian soldier fought on the side of germany yes and that's where the seeds of world war ii were planted yes so the treaty of versailles was a disastrous thing for germany big humiliation this man adolf hitler fought in the world war one he carried that humiliation with him the german army was reduced to a hundred thousand soldiers maximum or no more air force


hundred thousand soldiers maximum or no more air force and and all kinds of restrictions were placed in germany right and and the billionaire for germans was big daddy britain back then i'm assuming yeah britain was the one that's uh that uh gained a lot out of this yeah and uh yeah so there were a number of powers britain france etc who all were part of the treaty of versailles and then something came out of this which was the league of nations which was kind of the precursor to the u.n but the us was not part of it because the us congress did not ratify the treaty of versailles or something now what happens is that in the post-war era germany is not destroyed because none of the fighting has happened on german soil so they are able to restart their industries which are already going on but because of the enormous reparations they have to pay every year the economy is stuttering the german mark becomes deeply devalued like


the german mark becomes deeply devalued like it becomes like one trillionth of its original value hyperinflation yeah then the americans even send loans to germany to repay the reparations what was uh in store for america back then when world war one was happening i'm sure there must have been some motivation to even take part in the war or to help britain it can't be as simple as oh you know whatever we were allies once upon a time there's got to be some economic angle there was a china back then in some ways so the americans are the original capitalists everything is money they saw a great opportunity to make money right so they sent they had this limitless land in which they produced all these crops like wheat and all that so they sent lots of that to europe to sustain the allied forces and lots of arms and ammunition weapons and all that they sent to britain and france and these countries right so uh they benefited a lot from this they


right so uh they benefited a lot from this they became the major economic power in the world after the end of world war one by the time the world war ended they were the major economic power in the world and they had limitless resources right then you had the german economy went down there was hyperinflation then there was a wall street crash of 1929 in new york in wall street that caused ripples all over the world and the german economy suffered a lot again because of that in the 1920s there was a rise of fascism in italy benito mussolini came to power he quickly became a one-party dictator that sort of thing so there was this event happening here in the 1930s uh the national socialist party came to power in germany because the the government the weimar republic government was blamed for all the ills of the economy so adolf hitler became the undisputed boss very rapidly he started he broke the treaty of versailles he started re-militarization


the treaty of versailles he started re-militarization conscription uh starting the production of new arms and air force and all that and he went on this uh campaign against the jews yeah i have to once again mention the iconic trs line which i think you had mentioned and joe rogans also mentioned it we actually learned it from joe rogan tough times create hard men hard men create easy times easy times create soft men soft men create tough times it's a cycle never ending cycle and within a span of 20 years i'm getting from world war 1 to world war ii there was this cycle that happened in germany a dolphin hitler as evil as he is and you know as bad as um history tells us that he is he was a tough man to rise as the single dictator in germany and i'd say the same probably for mussolini yes so italy felt humiliated italy felt it got nothing out of world war one it had territorial emotions it wanted part of the balkans it wanted


emotions it wanted part of the balkans it wanted the territories in africa it had some it wanted more it it the italians felt they got nothing out of the war even though they bled so much against austria so there was this great discontent which gave rise to nationalism and the fascist party of merito muslin came to power similarly germany was deeply humiliated the people were hurt their pride was wounded nationalism again and the strongman comes to power adolf hitler who promises that we will regain the world and we will regain our lost prestige and all that and hitler wanted territories he wanted what he called lebanese rome which is extra land for the german people right so he wanted an expansion of germany so he restarted the conscription of the army he restarted the military industries he stopped payment of reparations and britain and france only protested weakly they had weak governments so he was further emboldened by this yes i'm gonna do it so then the


this yes i'm gonna do it so then the preparations again begin so the treaty of versailles was nothing but a ceasefire a temporary ceasefire a 20 year ceasefire so germany then becomes more and more powerful the nazi party also exists in austria so they come to power and they re unify austria and germany so germany is now expanded now the germans want czech territory student in land or something they called it in which you had a german majority population so they had designs on that the british in the french kind of allowed the tk you go and do that but please don't do more so the germans take that over then within no time they go and take over half of czechoslovakia and the slovak republic becomes a vasal state or a satellite state of germany then the germans sign a no aggression play pact with stalin hitler and stalin it was called the molotov ribbon through pact i think it was in 38 or 39 and the secret clause


it was in 38 or 39 and the secret clause is that we will divide up poland so poland was an independent country at the time then the germans attack poland they take over half of it the rest half is taken by the ussr and then that is a declaration of war once they invade poland the british and the french declare war i just want to stop you here for a minute so as a historian when you're studying all these events first of all it's crazy how you remember all this and you're able to speak about all this you know at the get go but uh i have to ask you as a geopolitical observer also do you study these events because of the times we live in is that the motivation for you to remember all this like why do you study history so deeply i understand the times we live in because i've studied all this it's the other way around i was always curious about what happened in the past i i always as a kid i found that


past i i always as a kid i found that history is more interesting than fiction there is so much happening so many adventures so many great personalities so many disputes and why do these disputes happen i was interested in the causality why do things happen let's go one level deeper what's your answer to the why is it human psychology is it the feudal primal nature of human beings because these are patterns tough men easy men thing is a pattern so uh what is it according to you what's the why the human history is very violent we are very violent species even our closest relatives the chimpanzees are just as violent as us so we are by nature of violent species our entire history is a history of warfare and these wars are typically driven by strong personalities who embody the nation who say that i represent the pride of the nation i will take our nation forward and there is always a desire to gain more territory more resources which gives you more power and more control


more resources which gives you more power and more control and it it embellishes enhances your pride your prestige your people's prestige and all that so it's always that sort of motivation at the deepest level more territory more prestige more power more control i want to conquer the world i want to be the king of the world that sort of thing you know but in the modern day with the internet or do you think the nature of human beings or human motivation has changed because you okay you don't think it's nothing has changed nothing at all okay do you think human beings are becoming better with time like do you think the newer generation will be more gentle or do we just follow historical patterns these are cycles i mean you go through cycles of great uh peace for a few decades and then the human nature comes out again even in peace time if you see the social media and all that people are fighting and sniping at each other each other people do talk about compassion and peace and


each other people do talk about compassion and peace and love and all that and patience and progress but those are a few random lone voices of reason it would be great if we don't have war but unfortunately human nature is such that we are greedy we want more more more we are not satisfied and when you have an army at your disposal that greed takes a different form you will actually act on it because you have the power people who will obey you unquestioningly that represents power and when you have people like that you will make them do what what you want what your people desire and people always want more so that's how it goes unfortunately it's a cycle that never ends yeah um you know i know this is very off topic and we primarily have non-indian viewers hopefully for this podcast but i still will bring in one indian element from vedanta the bhagavad-gita is basically a collection of the four vedas it's a kind of boiled down version of the vedas and uh the


boiled down version of the vedas and uh the vedas and ancient indian knowledge speaks about our realm as the bhulok which is sort of a medium level planet whether it's good and bad the goal is to meditate and spiritually progress up to the point where your soul earns its nirvana or moksha and you become a buddha and your soul leaves this planet but to be able to get there from an evolutionary standpoint it takes a lot of effort to break out of the maya or the simulation that this world is now when you put this in context right next to war where such terrible things are happening we've just begun talking about world war two which in my study of history is probably the worst phase of humanistic nobody would you agree i agree the worst things that have ever happened happened during world war two uh it just makes you think of human nature and while yes we might be a medium planet like they say that there are heavenly planets and


like they say that there are heavenly planets and there are hellish planets where somewhere in the middle sometimes narratives like world war two make you believe that we're not a middle planet but probably a hellish planet but would you agree to that i mean what kind of evil does it take to burn up entire families to ostracize an entire race of people i don't know what kind of an internal evil it would take you know joseph stalin once said once said that a single death is a tragedy a million deaths is a statistic so when you're thinking at that scale you stop thinking about the human element you're thinking in terms of kilometers you think in terms of territory you're thinking in terms of how much i have gained and how much i've lost when you are governing a country of 100 million people i think it's it it happens to these people invariably that they stop thinking of the human cost of warfare i mean world war one was terrible one world war ii


mean world war one was terrible one world war ii was way worse than that horrific the amount of human suffering that world war ii saw was unimaginable all kinds of brutalities atrocities and when you're sitting in an office and directing things you don't see that right and so you don't feel that it doesn't hit you at a personal level and i think people just disregard that yeah you know there's so many movies about world war two and i'd love some recommendations before we actually head into this section of the podcast world war one there's not too many movies around it 1917 have you watched it i haven't watched it also you you should check it out like one of my teammates forced me to watch it and it's one of the masterpieces in filming it's a one-shot movie uh it's short as of you know it's short conditions music yeah single take move uh incredible uh incredibly done but because it's one shot makes you feel like you are placed in that world


makes you feel like you are placed in that world war one scenario and it's so terrible they've shown trenches they've shown uh going into no man's land they've shown going from one part of uh the warland to another and just makes you question why a second world war would happen after these kind of atrocities but then again human nature unfinished business that's what it was okay yeah okay go answer where was i we were at the invasion of poland would you would you like to recommend any movies before uh we move on uh when it comes to world war two i think saving private driver was a good one which kind of put you in the middle of the action the first sequence itself is quite harrowing the invasion of normandy yeah that's one that i can remember off the top of top of my head i've seen so many more many of them are old like the longest day the purple flame purple flame there are lots of movies about this but the one that immediately came to mind was saving


but the one that immediately came to mind was saving private driving the first movie i saw about world war ii was the great escape the great escape yes yes silva stallone pele all those guys it was like this really old movie uh like i think it was a 50s or 60s movie yes and it's about concentration camps yes it was about how one of the prisoners in a concentration camp escapes um it's like this whole heroic but they've shown the reality of concentration camps back then yes and there's so many narratives about world war two it really makes you think about this whole concept of history being worse than fiction yeah this is fiction based on a historical event what could reality have been then there's so many classified documents like the whole dr mengele angle the japanese experiments that were done on chinese this was the worst time in human history and how did it begin so so it begins with the german invasion of poland the germans and the soviets divided


of poland the germans and the soviets divided poland roughly half half and that's when the declarations of war happened from the from the allies in the at the same time japan has been active in in asia so the japanese in the 1930s they conquered manchuria much many parts of manchuria and then they had two options there was one school of thought in the japanese army that they should take the eurasian part i mean they should go from the north so take over mongolia take over parts of the ussr the eastern part of the ussr and go westwards from there the other school of thought was go from southeast asia from the uh sea route so the japanese fought in 1939 i believe they fought first the mongols and then the mongolia was a satellite state of the ussr so there were some border clashes in mongolia then there was a clash between the japanese army and the ussr army the japanese were defeated badly so the entire thought of


were defeated badly so the entire thought of going from the north evaporated the japanese decided to go south so they started conquering southeast asia ussr why do they always win these battles like do they have a historic like kind of track record of being a winning nation the ussr wins because it has inexhaustible territory and they are willing to throw as many men as necessary into the battle there's that movie right something about snipers enemy at the gates enemy at the gap gates uh was it stalingrad i think it was stalingrad i don't remember the exact thing but they've shown this angle of just forcing the average russian civilian into war you go and if you turn back we will shoot you that was i think the mentality yes so basically lots of natural resources lots of land and lots of human beings lots of human beings and the willingness to sacrifice as many people as required to win strong nationalism strong nationalism so the japanese they took over they started taking over


so the japanese they took over they started taking over southeast south east asia indonesia malaysia singapore they came to the doorstep of india so that's a different story that will come later so the war happens in the pacific also it begins there right from uh from japan they take out parts of china there's a civil war going on in china this time so they start taking over china the eastern part of china they do all kinds of atrocities in nanjing and so on there's a whole asian angle to the war now coming back to europe the germans and soviets take over poland then the germans declare so the british and the french declare war on germany usa is still not in this right then the germans they do the same thing as they did in world war one they go through belgium and they punch through the the the french lines they very rapidly take over belgium and the netherlands the british have already landed in france they are pushed back to dunkirk


in france they are pushed back to dunkirk that movie dunkirk and then they are forced to evacuate from there the germans have a new strategy it's an ancient mongol strategy but it's a they call it blitzkrieg lightning warfare so they concentrate all the firepower in one point in the defenses of the opposite power and they punch through it with lightning speed they also have the luftwaffe the air force massive and the most modern air force in the world the germans i think we should sit on this topic a little bit uh one of the while war is all about atrocities war is also about strategy and any war strategy can often be applied in life as well i'd love for you to break down blitzkrieg a little bit and and break down the power of the german air force because i feel like that was a massive element of all the successes they gained during world war ii so the germans were always technologically advanced they they were innovators right so they


technologically advanced they they were innovators right so they developed a whole range of different different airplanes stukas hankels messerschmitts and these are some of the names that come to my mind i've read this like when i was a kid so they had all the most advanced air aircraft fighter aircraft for that time and uh so that was one component of their of their military power they had massive numbers of these airplanes they had the most advanced tanks the panzer tanks for the time very good tanks so they had that lots thousands of these tanks and they had these strategies the strategy was very clear you are facing an enemy you are facing fortifications don't defuse your firepower don't strike at different places and try to punch through much many holes into the in the enemy's defenses concentrate all your firepower in one place breach that wall then just smash through it and advance at lightning speed hundreds of kilometers in a week that's the kind of advance they wanted and they achieved


the kind of advance they wanted and they achieved that what what happens to the troops on the side they're left behind and then they can be encircled from behind flanked out flanked and taken out so that's the strategy they would use i think the business equivalent years focus on one game at a time focus on one game at a time focus on one problem at a time solve that you have to see which is the weakest point in the in whatever problem you're attacking look at that and solve that so there is a there are a lot of parallels in between warfare and business and life the same strategies and tactics you use in warfare can very much be applied in business and in life you just need to know how to adapt those tactics tactics and strategies when you say in life you mean people skills right like in rooms networking people skills planning your next 10 years planning your next five years what are the problems you're facing the personal problems you're facing the business problems you're


the personal problems you're facing the business problems you're facing people problems you're facing many i mean everything is applicable okay in real life keeping that in mind let's also talk about adult fat loss there has to be a reason this person rose to power yeah but taking away nothing from the atrocities committed by adolf hitler and the nazis during world war two i just want to touch upon the possibility of there being an alternative history that were not taught in history books and i think you're the right person to ask this to do you have a different possibly controversial take on adolf hitler and his atrocities or what we are taught in textbooks based on your own research or do you think that he's as bad as our textbooks portray him to be see i don't think he is worse than stalin or mao stalin ended up killing more people than adolf hitler mao zedong killed way more people than adolf hitler winston churchill killed more indians than adolf hitler killed


killed more indians than adolf hitler killed jews but we demonize adolf hitler and we kind of even in india worship winston churchill because we're not taught the truth so there's always shades of grain it's not all black and white of course hitler was evil of course he was a monster but he was not the biggest monster he was not the biggest shark in the pond churchill was worse he was brutal he was a hindu four he was an indoor forbe he he killed so many bengalis just to and he siphoned off the wheat that india was producing which would have gone to bengal and he sent it to greece and and uh mao zedong killed way more people later on in during his career in china stalin killed way more people than hitler but we demon as hitler i'm not saying we should not demonize hitler but he was small fry compared to these other people actually right so that's an interesting perspective we from


actually right so that's an interesting perspective we from india can see and the west won't talk about it my other perspective is that if if hitler had fought on the side of the u.s today the nazis would be the most stylish people in the world look at the uniforms how stylish they are i think it was hugo boss probably that designed the nazi uniforms today that style is frowned upon because it evokes the nazi era but had hitler allied with the us today he would be regarded as some great hero the winners always write history and they portray things the way the way they want them to um we had anuj on the hindi podcast you've also had him on your show i believe who's dedicated his entire life to studying subhash chandra bose and he spoke about how hiding subhash chandra bose's life as in telling the public that he's actually died or even when we speak about mahatma gandhi like we did on the last hindi podcast


like we did on the last hindi podcast mahatma gandhi celebrated though he very likely committed a lot of wrongs that are not reported in india or the rest of the world why is this according to youths because of geopolitical intentions um there are powerful people in powerful places that don't want the general public to know the truth about mahatma gandhi i would highly recommend you check out the hindi podcast if you haven't already for more on this topic but sir i want to ask you that what post the war okay and of course we'll get back to the events and all that but post the war why did they paint hitler as badly as they did why has he become the face of evil in human history there has to be some geopolitical angle here as well see uh the world the past 4 500 years has been dominated by a single category of people the anglo-saxons the english-speaking empire so to say the british raj the british empire was clearly an empire


raj the british empire was clearly an empire after world war ii got over the headquarters of the anglo-saxon empire shifted from london to washington dc but the empire remained the same so it's a single today you call it a superpower but it's nothing but an empire they have their uh dominion all over the world so the empire has never died the empire still exists and they dominate the narrative and they dominate everything that we we understand about the world so because hitler fought against their empire that's why they have to portray him as an evil people person i'm not saying he was not evil of course he was evil he killed six million jews or whatever the number is and and gypsies but had he fought on their behalf they would not have said the same thing because there are so many other dictators that they have uh worked with you know there's this saying i think it was henry kissinger who said this that that guy may be a son of


said this that that guy may be a son of a but he's our son of a so we don't talk bad about our people even though they might be doing the worst atrocities possible like winston churchill winston churchill for instance and various other dictators in africa in south america latin america and other parts of the world saddam hussein was an american creature for the longest time until the americans felt that they had no more use for him and then they went to war against him and so on so this is this is a pattern that happens again and again and again in in this context a big part of war is writing media narratives about the enemy propaganda is very very important extremely important which is what we see with uh zelinski and the whole uthin angle see media is just propaganda especially when it comes to western media they are only repeating the state approved perspective very freedom of speech is okay as long as you say what they wanted to say western media is very


say what they wanted to say western media is very monochromatic i'm talking about the english-speaking media even the various countries that are now part of the u.s led block germany is a u.s vassal state it's under the u.s occupation since world war ii japan has been under a u.s occupation since 1945 it is still under permanent u.s occupation same goes for south korea and so on so the perspectives you you see there are the sanitized state-approved perspectives that's how it is we don't realize that we think there's freedom of speech and all that no that's not quite the case let's dial back again to the timeline we want which is uh hitler and i do believe that uh we need to speak about two people in particular the first is hitler and this whole aryan theory where it originates from because again the indian context is didn't he have sort of a tiny pact with subhash chandra bose as well then that's against the aryan theory that they were racist again i'm


the aryan theory that they were racist again i'm not defending the rn theory or racism i condemn it as much as you do an offended viewer i'm speaking to but i want to dig a little bit deeper is this propaganda do you think the aryan theory was an actual thing uh why did they use an indian swastika to represent this uh what's your take on this whole racism angle so if you want to come to power as a nationalist you have to create a mythology around yourself a mythology around yourself and your people you have to convince the people that you are superior you have been wronged and i am the guy who will right the wrongs that's how you come to power so that's the classic strategy that hitler used so he needed a big symbol for his political orientation for his ideology and all that so he chose the hakken crouch which is the hooked cross the german word for that symbol is the hakken crouch the hooked cross it is


the hakken crouch the hooked cross it is not the indian swastika it is not this the sacred swastika it is only after the war that the british and the americans attached the sanskrit word swastika to the hakkincroots in europe across the world the swastika has always been a symbol of positivity it's a very ancient symbol the french called it the ghanaian the british called it the fifloth or the germans called it the hakken kreutz and so on so forth there were lots of local names for the symbol it is an ancient indo-european symbol and even in africa you find it even in in the americas uh the native american traditions you find the swastika even in japan what does it represent it represents it represents auspiciousness it's a symbol of auspiciousness and positivity it's a holy sacred symbol you just see the sastika anywhere in india it's a good thing right and similarly in japan if you go to japan


and similarly in japan if you go to japan today if you see if you go to google maps and you search for shinto temples or buddhist temples on the on the map in japan they will be marked with swastikas even today you go to mongolia the swastika is extremely holy symbol go to china it always was before the communist era a holy symbol all across southeast asia all across the world the germans not the germans the nazis under hitler took that symbol which they called the hacking crew the twisted reverse hooked cross and they started using it as their party symbol the nazi party the national socialist party their symbol became that black twisted ulta swastika on a red background so that is the thing now they also took another they hijacked another sanskrit term the arya term so arya in indian culture means a noble person a person with with good qualities a civilized person the iranians who are offshoots of ancient indians they made it an ethnic term they


ancient indians they made it an ethnic term they said we are the arya people we are the aryans and the indians and our iranians if any ethnic group can call themselves the arya people it is the indians and the iranians nobody else but this guy hitler he said that we are the true aryans the aryan invasion myth comes into this this fake thing that everything came from europe right so he said that the whiter you are the more aryan you are and we germans are the supreme master race we are the true aryans us in the nordic people that's it so he created this mythology that he fed the german people that we are the master race we are the superior race we should be ruling the world we have been wronged in the past and i am the man who will take germany out of all this and we will be supreme again so that was the mythology created and that's the whole aryan controversy today if you go to the west you cannot even


today if you go to the west you cannot even speak the word aryan because it means nazi and you cannot display a swastika even though it's a symbol of auspiciousness because it only has one connotation the wrong connotation it's become a symbol of white supremacy also all of that all of that because people who still worship hitler they'll have nazi i mean the the the hakken crits tattooed you see lots of people in ukraine with those tattoos today really absolutely and it's too it's for the same reason that is white supremacy okay they believe in nazism ukraine is being currently denazified mr by shri putin so western audience may not like like to hear that but that's what's happening so there is a very strong nazi element in ukraine which go dates back to the 1930s and 1940s that's which is the period we're talking about and this is based on geographical expansion of the nazi party it is because the ukrainians in western


nazi party it is because the ukrainians in western ukraine identified with white supremacy identified with the nazi ideology they unleashed horrific pogroms on the gypsies especially on the jews there were horrific atrocities in ukraine stephen bandera that we spoke about in the past he was one of the great heroes of the time ukrainian nazi leaning so there's a whole deep dark history over there i also have to briefly ask you about hirohito because again our textbooks don't talk about the atrocities of the japanese empire from back then the only place i've got to know about japanese atrocities in world war two is the internet yes and my assumption is that because japan became friendly with the us post award some of that stuff is erased from history books but they've done a lot of so do you want to shed light on some of that certainly certainly so that's a very interesting chapter of history the japanese broke with their culture in the 19th century they


broke with their culture in the 19th century they saw that the western powers were so much more advanced that anything they had technologically advanced they had all these ships they had these these commercial networks trade routes and all that and the japanese emperor of that time the meiji emperor he aspired to make japan an imperial power in the mould of the western powers so japan's culture is a syncretic mix of native shinto traditions and indian buddhist traditions if you look at the actual japanese literature about shinto it's more like japanese hinduism very similar and buddhism is obviously something that came from india so their culture is founded on a bedrock of indian culture it's the same moral values and all that non-violence peace tolerance respect all those things compassion all those all those things and they had this a japanese class called the samurais they were also warlords the the shoguns and all that so there's a whole period of that in japanese history now the meiji


period of that in japanese history now the meiji restoration or reformation which happened in the 19th century attempted to eradicate buddhism from japan they said it's a foreign import we don't want it and they destroyed the samurai class totally destroyed the samurai class so they com but they were able to destroy the samurai class but they failed in eradicating buddhism it is still there now what happened even the even then what they succeeded is they succeeded in deracinating the japanese military and the japanese elite from traditional japanese culture and they imbibed everything that came from the west so they remolded japan as an imperialistic expansionist power just the way the western countries were this is one family uh yeah it is the japanese imperial family that was at the forefront of doing all this so quickly all of this happened the japanese military became bloodthirsty expansionist the japanese when when the chinese the chinese talk about the century of humiliation right the


chinese talk about the century of humiliation right the opium wars and all that the japanese also demanded similar concessions from the chinese just like the western powers were doing they also demanded territory they they captured territory in the western power the british and the americans were very impressed with the japanese oh how civilized they are they're being just just like us so the japanese they broke from the tradition they became an immoral mercantilist expansionist power in the 19th century in the second half of the 19th century that continued into world war one they fought with the russians they expanded into manchuria post-world war one and in world war ii they decided they took the site of germany and then they went on this rampage across eastern asia so they had become completely immoral and they had no i mean they displayed no compassion i think uh they were also extremely fascinated by early forms of bio warfare yeah like when we talk about dr mengele in


yeah like when we talk about dr mengele in the concentration camps and all his experiments on human beings basically torture uh the japanese side uh they also had their own forms of torture where plague-infested rats were thrown on prisoners and uh i think people were injected with pathogens and things like that they had all kinds of horrific experiments that they conducted on human beings the exposure of human beings to extreme cold how long can a human being survive in that kind of cold until the heart stops those times they would measure at different temperatures horrific experiments at the end of world war ii the americans took all the data how hirohito mussolini and adolf hitler had a sort of pact yes and that's why they were branded as the fastest powers the axis power the access powers but the ideology was fascism the ideology was they all had different ideologies okay even stalin and hitler they had this molotov ribbentrop pact the nazis were very


molotov ribbentrop pact the nazis were very much anti-communism anti-marxism but there was a alliance of convenience before the world war began geopolitical listen that there's no actual friendships it's just convenience absolutely so hitler and stalin were on the same page for some time hitler and mussolini were aligned because they all had grievances which they which were left over from world war one the japanese in world war one had allied with the british this time they allied with the axis powers with germany and and japan so the axis powers were three germany japan and uh italy for some time stalin was on the side of hitler because they had divided up pool and together in the very beginning of the war so now the americans imposed an oil and steel blockade on the japanese because they were expanding so fast they tried to choke that in retaliation the japanese after some time they said we have to take some action they attacked pearl harbor in a


take some action they attacked pearl harbor in a massive bombardment aerial bombardment that's right that significantly damaged the american pacific fleet that was stationed at pearl harbor the americans had no option but to enter the freight declare war on the japanese and on the access powers but it took them a few months to repair the fleet and actually get going in this so that's what happened there the japanese were expanding in east asia now there's a lot of action happening in in europe the germans very rapidly overtook france they took took paris the southern half of that they took over northern france and western france and the southern half of france was by under the vichy government which is kind of a puppet state of the nazis other parts of europe very quickly fell to the nazis uh yugoslavia the balkan region uh and further south italy was already anyway uh part of their their alliance there was action in north africa also the italians


there was action in north africa also the italians took over ethiopia they had some possessions there then the germans also got involved in north africa that's a whole different story after the whole of europe was taken over the germans had complete control over most of you of all of europe germans and the italians then they started attacking the british the battle of britain aerial warfare you know the german air force the luftwaffe against the royal air force with the spitfires and all those things so there were these massive aerial battles bombardments on both sides the japanese started using sorry the germans started using cruise missiles the v1 and the v2 cruise missiles so the v2 was a ballistic missile the v1 was a cruise missile what is it the v1 was a jet the first use of jet jet engines in combat in warfare so it was a plane kind of thing with a single jet engine that could be targeted at a long distance at a certain city a


at a long distance at a certain city a certain location so they would hit cities like london and other other major places in britain with these v1 missiles eventually they deployed the v2 ballistic missile that would go into outer space and then come back on a parabolic ballistic project trajectory so the the germans are the pioneers of of missiles cruise missiles as well as ballistic missiles that technology was then taken over later after the war by the americans and the soviets that's later so there was a battle of britain the germans hitler wanted to take over britain but eventually for some reason he gave up on that for some time and he decided to invade the ussr 1941 operation barbarossa so he had this massive massive army the wehrmacht and they went on three separate directions to the east in the ussr stalin was kind of caught napping he knew in principle the war is coming even though we are kind of allies he knew in principle but


are kind of allies he knew in principle but he was taken by tactical surprise he thought that there would first be some diplomatic hostilities before before the actual war breaks out that did not happen there was a straight invasion by the germans so there was this a a line the germans had created something called the airline which was from arkhangelsk in the north in the white sea to uh astarakhan in the caspian sea they wanted to to capture the entirety of russia until that line so one german army went south one went towards moscow one went north and there was massive massively successful they used the same strategy blitzkrieg punching through the through the russian defenses massively successful and they started making significant progress hundreds of kilometers in a week that sort of thing right so so the russians were falling back they lost significant massive amounts of territory but there was a major disaster in the german intelligence in the first three four months the russians lost about three


first three four months the russians lost about three million soldiers 30 lakh soldiers vanished all killed and yet they had armies the germans thought that the the the russians would have another 2-3 million in reserve what they did not know that the that the russians had about 14 15 million trained reserves an inexhaustible supply of men they were trained they knew how to fight these strategies and tactics weren't great because there were all these purges in soviet russia in which many of the top generals were killed off but yet by by who by stalin or by stalin by stalin himself because they were probably saying we don't want to go to war because he was paranoid and he wanted to reform or revise or whatever the the army he wanted to get rid of anybody who could be a threat to him in the future so he killed off uncountable numbers of people okay in the 1930s so the top ranks of the red army were depleted so you do not


the red army were depleted so you do not have good leadership but what stalin did is that he he issued a call to every soldier to fight for rosia mathuska mother russia you're not fighting for stalin you're fighting for your motherland so these russians they fought they fought like anything they died in the millions but they just kept coming the russian where mark made massive advances north east west sorry north east and south then hitler made up a call he said stop the advance on moscow and reinforce the the push southwards because he wanted to capture ukraine but there's so many resources ukraine is a resource-rich territory so he pushed towards ukraine and he temporarily stopped the march on moscow so that went for some time the the german advance was very successful eventually they restarted the advance on moscow they reached within 20 kilometers of moscow but the russians just kept coming they just kept fighting they fought they died and they just kept coming 14 to


they died and they just kept coming 14 to 15 million reserves that is the value of having a reserve force so eventually by the end of 1941 the russians had the germans had come to the gates of moscow but they were ground to a halt there and then the autumn happened and the winter happened and the skies opened up and everything there was first rain mud everywhere the tanks wouldn't wouldn't go forward the armies were bogged down and then the russian winter minus 30 degrees there the germans froze so people say historians many historians say that the germans lost the the operation failed because of the russian winter actually the germans froze because they had lost to the russian army it is the russian army that defeated the russia the germans not the winter the punishment was the freezing due to the winter because they lost to the russian army that's what happened there's so many leadership business warfare strategy lessons in each of these battles i think


strategy lessons in each of these battles i think that's why world war ii has been such a fascinating subject for so many people who say i love war strategy i love books on war it's actually these things that each country each empire had its own style of fighting yes and there's stuff to learn from everyone like from russia it's kind of like the indian cricket team you're always steady supply of batsmen never give up fight fight fight and inexhaustible supply of manpower and a vast territorial advantage inexhaustible amounts of land which is why even in the modern day china probably wants to expand as much as they do because they're prepping for the future if you have a lot of land in your hands you're probably a more powerful nation yes absolutely and which is why most of these countries always think with an expansionist mindset we think imperialism is done but america is also constantly in an expansionist mindset because if you stay the same you'll probably go down you won't go


the same you'll probably go down you won't go forward you have to think about going ahead um okay so go on so operation barbarossa failed in 1942 there was another advance by the by the germans down south towards the castle towards the caucasus region the battle of stalingrad which is in that movie or enemy of the gates there was another disastrous siege where event was horrific for the civilians in the 1941 offensive there was this terrible battle for leningrad saint petersburg which lasted 870 days more than a million civilians died but eventually the germans were pushed back so the soviets the russians they paid the price for the defense of their of their country with oceans of blood but they did not give up what was happening in europe while germany was trying to expand into russia was there complete nazi control complete nazi control complete access control all of europe mo yeah all of europe yugoslavia there was a resistance going on in later yugoslavia there


a resistance going on in later yugoslavia there was this guy called marshall tito who was leading who was a spear heading a resistance against nazi occupation there was some of that in greece also there was a war going on in north africa also in eastern africa also in northeast africa and there was the battle of britain going on means the germans were trying to constantly bombarding britain the british were responding with aerial raids on german territories on berlin so there's a whole lot going on but hitler for some reason he put off the invasion of britain and tried to invade the ussr which was the mistake which was a massive massive massive mistake the eastern front was frozen they had a non-aggression pact the molot of ribbon and rebecca pact the soviets were not going to invade or attack germany if he had gone ahead and destroyed or captured the uk it was game over the empire that ruled the world would have fallen but for some


ruled the world would have fallen but for some reason he moved his focus eastwards that was the major mistake that hitler made i'm not saying it's good or bad it's just a cold academic observation strategic observation if he had continued with his assault on britain and had he succeeded the war would have ended there then he could have taken over the usr at his leisure over a longer period of time but he was maddened by greed i think now what i want to ask you is about the mistake what do you think is the learning for modern day history lovers from uh this world war ii situation where he could have won the entire war because if you kill the king the entire chessboard falls so he could have just gone into britain taken it over probably taken over the entire empire i'm assuming maybe that's a little soft geopol political analysis but could have been a possibility he could have made the empire disintegrate he could possibly have taken over if he had not just by


possibly have taken over if he had not just by decapitating the very top see in when you do a coup in a coup d'etat you don't destroy the whole country you just take out the top leadership and put your own thing there and then you control the whole organism that's how we do it so if he had achieved that sort of thing in the uk he might conceivably perhaps taken over the entire british empire if he had succeeded in that but for whatever reason he decided to put that off and concentrate on the ussr which was a massive mistake the major enemy for him the immediate enemy for him was the uk it was the only power left undefeated in europe and he made the mistake of turning back back from there maybe the resistance he faced was more than he anticipated so he thought okay let me go and grab something that's easier to take which ended up being much worse for him so the mistake was greed basically the mistake was greed and maybe


greed basically the mistake was greed and maybe he did not he he deferred biting the bullet of taking the uk what was happening in india and all these colonies at this time they were just supplying people to the war nothing else endless supply of people i think more than a million and a half indian troops fought in world war ii um maybe more definitely over a million and so the india was involved africa was involved all these different territories were involved there was fighting in asia as well the japanese were advancing towards india they wanted to take out india they wanted to capture india from the british the jewel of the crown how do you think the japanese would have been as a ruler of india maybe just as barbaric as the british were the british were absolutely barbarians we don't realize that because we had taught a very sanitized version of history in the aftermath of 1857 they killed over 10 million indians in just a few years that


over 10 million indians in just a few years that is a horrific number and the number of indians they killed in engineered famines exceeds a hundred million that's what the british did from the 19 from the 1700s until the 1940s more than 100 million people indians were killed innocent men women children were stabbed to death deliberately by the british so the british were the epitome of barbarism even though they pretend to be very classy and all that the japanese could possibly have been just as barbaric because we know what they did the track record in asia expanding towards india westwards we know the kind of horrific atrocities they perpetrated in china in nanjing in in indonesia in other places absolutely horrific so the same thing could have happened conceivably in india had they captured india as well now that brings us to the angle of subash and rabos so watching the rabbis was an indian nationalist he wanted to overthrow the british


indian nationalist he wanted to overthrow the british by force he knew that if we take independence on the terms of the british we are not truly independent we are still colonized which is what happened eventually so he said my enemies enemies my friend the british are my enemy so i'll fight i will take some i will try and alive with whoever is fighting against the british so he first went to germany he met uh adolf hitler adolf hitler referred him to japan he said that you are closer to japan so why don't you go to japan i will give you my reference my recommendation and you can meet the japanese uh whoever is in charge dojo i think so subscribe all the way by submarine in various other ways and he was able to impress the japanese and he was able to uh to acquire japanese help so what they gave him was material material uh support and they gave him charge of all the indian prisoners of war the british indian


the indian prisoners of war the british indian prisoners of war which he then converted into the indian national army ina right and then subhash and rabos then would he participated in the japanese attempt to conquer india so the there were multiple victories against the british through burma etc and sebastian the bosses ina came all the way into india eastern india imphal the battle of imphal in the battle of kohima from there the ina was driven back and defeated so there were these terrible battles at imfal and manipur which went on for months the british bombarded civilians in in fall even in kohima innocent indians were killed innocent men women children and there was a terrible battle outside him fall the battle of red hill so there was terrible battles eventually the japanese and the ina were pushed back and once they were pushed back from india the disaster began for them and they were pushed back all the way and slowly the the tide


back all the way and slowly the the tide turned in asia coming back to the linear narrative again so um so basically hitler goes for russia gets extremely weakened i'm assuming this is where big daddy usa becomes big daddy usa uh what's the saving private ryan think or d-day yeah d-day so the u.s got involved first because of the japanese attack on pearl harbor so the initial u.s campaign began in the pacific islands guadalcanal and they started this policy of ireland hopping capture one island go to the next island capture that and eventually they wanted to take over japan then they also got involved in europe obviously because once you go to war you go to the war with all the access powers so germany experienced a disaster in operation barbarossa in 1941 they could not take over the ussr they were greatly weakened then there was a landing which one happened first i think there was a landing from north africa into sicily so the allies the


from north africa into sicily so the allies the allied powers took over the sicilian island the island of sicily in italy from there they hopped into the southern part of italy and they took over some portion of southern italy the italian government asked for a ceasefire with japanese sorry the germans then invaded italy and there were atrocities in italy also also in greece then there was an invasion the the germans had fortified the entire atlantic coast of europe massive fortifications massive machine gun nests cannons and all that and they were anticipating that there could be an invasion from the uk which is still independent which is still free and that's what happened was it 41 was it 42 whichever year it is the invasion of normandy right which is depicted in saving private ryan so a massive invasion force probably the biggest invasion naval invasion force ever assembled till then it crossed the english channel and landed on the beaches of normandy where


channel and landed on the beaches of normandy where a previous thousand years ago the vikings used to raid right so they landed on the beaches of normandy massive massive casualties but they were able to take a portion of the beach and from there they started expanding into france that's where the tide turns because of the american presence the americans send lots of troops ammunition arms all of that that bolsters the allied cause they start taking over parts of france the tide turns over there and slowly to make things shorter they were able to liberate france italy uh eventually was liberated belgium netherlands the ussr then was we know in 41 they were beating germany then they started expanding westwards the ussr so the americans essentially liberated france americans and british but the ussr liberated all of eastern europe from the nazis eventually in 1945 they were on the outskirts of berlin hitler shot himself and that's what's told to us yes


himself and that's what's told to us yes that's what told us we don't know what actually happened but we've nervous in the body or whatever in the pictures we are told that he committed suicide he shot himself his wife took a poison pill or whatever and that's how the story goes official narrative let's dial back again and go on a tangent again maybe it could be a very tiny tangent in the same way that we can learn strengths from the different countries is usa strength money was money the reason they were actually able to be a part of the winning side money and probably being shrewd the real reason the u.s has been so dominant is because they are untouchable they have a vast expanse of ocean on each side and they are the only power in the americas in north america as well as south america geopolitics south america is constantly under strife there's always drugs drug wars going on dictatorial regimes coming and going who plays the who who


regimes coming and going who plays the who who engineers all this behind the scenes um damn son even in north america canada is essentially a puppet state of the us mexico well it's not a threat in any kind half more than half of mexico is now part of the u.s texas was mexican territory california was a mixing territory the americans fought a war with the mexicans and took over massive amounts of territory they are the undisputed number one the only power in the americas on the western side or to the west of america they have the massive pacific ocean nobody can reach them to the east they have the atlantic ocean nobody can reach them and they have an entire continent-sized piece of land inexhaustible resources and no threats at all and then they indebted the whole of europe in world war one world war ii and then they built up a massive massive military and eventually took over the entire reigns of the empire which the


the entire reigns of the empire which the british had built one quick question for you is a geopolitical question a very experienced sailor had once told me that oceans are actually at the center of geopolitics what is the logic behind this is it because oceans supply food to growing economies is that the logic is it you know naval pathways what's the scene oceans are the home of the trade routes and the commercial roads and whoever controls logistics can actually win a war you have access to energy oil or how does oil flow through tankers that goes through the various choke points and 90 percent of the world's trade happens through the seas you control that you control everything that is the major reason why the oceans are critical to geopolitics in the various stroke points like the suez canal like the straits of gibraltar the turkish straits the malacca strait the sunda strait the strait of hormuz the various degree channels in the lakshadweep islands and the


degree channels in the lakshadweep islands and the andaman islands these are extremely critical to geopolitics india controls two massive choke points the uh whichever degree channel it is in the electoral violence and similarly one in the andaman islands india also overlooks the malacca strait and this trait of baba al-mandib and the strait of hormuz so india is in a god-given geopolitical geographical position to control all of this if only india would grow up a little bit so that's why the oceans are central to geopolitics to control of all the trade routes and the energy roads energy supplies even back in the 1940s this is the reason us the past 500 years it's been central to geopolitics maybe the lesson here is that winning also is because of some luck in some cases you control these trade routes you will have constant supply to all the resources that you need if somebody manages to cut it off you'll choke so if somebody were to cut off the suez


so if somebody were to cut off the suez canal the uk would have would have dried out and they would have lost had they not been supplied by the us so the they used to call the suez canal the spinal cord of the british empire it gave them access to india you cut that off it's over they will lose access to india so these geopolitical these geographical choke points are vital to geopolitics and the oceans are vital because of these reasons um i still feel there's like a list of things to be learned from america yes probably a playbook that china is using in the modern day firstly be rich and be capitalistic that's the primary one for me because i mean to even build futuristic weapons you need money so the chinese they learned the debt trap diplomacy from the americans what is that the debt trap what the chinese do is that they uh offer funds to various uh small countries sri lanka for instance okay massive amounts of


sri lanka for instance okay massive amounts of loans they give but at very high rates predatory rates so then they will convince whatever dictator is running the country to take the massive loan take some cut out of it and accept very high interest rates after five years 10 years 15 years the country will not be able to pay back the loan then you can take over the country in various ways they call some ports and all that strategic locations so that is the textbook debt trap diplomacy which they use in africa and sri lanka and other places the origin of that is essentially the u.s uh actions in world war one and world war ii the entirety of western europe was indebted to the americans and they could not escape that because the debt was too high i think the uk is still paying off the debt paying off the debt of world war ii wow maybe at the end of this one let's talk about the final events of world war ii beginning with what we


final events of world war ii beginning with what we spoke about hitler there are conspiracy theories according to which he actually escaped to south america i think it was argentina if i'm not mistaken because later on they found a lot of nazis operating out of argentina i think even mengele was founded but i'm sure mengele couldn't have been alone if mengele was able to escape to argentina i am dead sure someone with the power that hitler held had to have um there yes lots of nazis were able to escape to south america especially argentina one of the most one of the most famous cases was adolf aikman who was eventually in the 1960s captured by a mossad team in argentina and brought all the way transported all the way back to israel we've not even touched upon israel in this entire conversation yes but anyway go answer yeah if you want to talk about israel that goes back to world war one [Music] declaration in 1917 or so that's a


[Music] declaration in 1917 or so that's a whole different tangent i think israel is a whole other podcast so including what they're doing geopolitically now et cetera but i think in this one we'll just stick to world war two keeping that conspiracy theory in mind what do you believe again keeping all your data points in mind i believe there is a significant paucity of information about hitler whatever we have been told is very fragmentary very it's it's not convincing it's not uh enough to prove that he died where's the evidence where's the where's the we don't have a single image a photograph of the dead body in case he had died right i mean that's the first evidence we look for there are so many nazi criminals who died who hanged who were hanged who shot themselves we have the photographic evidence of all these things but there's no evidence of hitler ever found they say the soviets took his body and they burned it or whatever well the


his body and they burned it or whatever well the soviets would have wanted to photograph that thing that we were the ones who were able to acquire his body right we are the ones who induces suicide it would be the greatest tram for stalin to show that but it never happened why didn't it did not happen so there is clearly an element that would tell you that maybe something else happened and we know that after the war lots of nazis officers and soldiers and all they escaped via various routes to argentina to south america and they lived there for decades many of them lived peacefully and died out over there so it is possible it's conceivable that even hitler may have been part of that that exodus to south america it's possible what was the most hard angle it's like very gangs of assapur taking revenge way after the events the mossad uh their one of their objectives was to seek out smoke out all the nazis who had escaped and who were living


all the nazis who had escaped and who were living peaceful lives and who had not paid for the crimes they had committed during world war ii especially against the jewish people so the nazis or sorry the mossad had these spies all across europe and they eventually got wind of the fact that there were many nazis living in argentina they were even able to locate mengele but they had a choice eichmann or mengele that's what i believe the choice was and they went for it man who gave them the choice i think there was the question of exfiltration you have to kidnap a person who is now an art in the native citizen possibly protected by the argentinean government possibly protected by the american government possibly protected protected by somebody else yeah possibly yeah so you have to do this under the nose of the argentinian government and before they can get wind of what happened you have to exfiltrate the person in some way out of the country so you can't do it with lots of


the country so you can't do it with lots of people you you capture one person then the government will become alert that everybody else is under danger so they had only one shot so then they decided to take out aikman instead of mengele what why eichmann instrument did he do worse than most likely he did worse than mengele possibly that's that's a call they took and they took out ike man the story of how they captured him is uh incredible i mean i think there are books written about that so that's a very interesting story so that's what the israelis did but we know that the nazis lots of nazis were living in argentina i think there are movies made about this there is even one marvel movie i don't know which it was in which there's a there's a scene of this guy going to argentina and shooting a couple of nazis so yeah it's it's it's been well known that the nazis went there lots of nazis settled down over there it's


there lots of nazis settled down over there it's conceivable that even adolf hitler maybe he didn't he did not die he maybe he also went there shaved off his mustache changed his hairstyle something who knows it's possible and the final rung the atom bombs yes so in the 1940s the americans were developing the atom bomb the manhattan project nolan's making a movie on it is it making right like about the whole moral dilemma of like throwing an atom bomb on human beings etcetera i see i see right so lots of nuclear physicists were involved in this the best the brightest minds that the americans said enrico fermi j robert oppenheimer and many other people the theoretical work was done earlier by people like by people like einstein and all that yeah the basic uh theoretical foundations of nuclear fission and all that so what they wanted to do was they wanted to harvest nuclear fission harvest it and create a chain reaction that will essentially liberate


and create a chain reaction that will essentially liberate enormous amounts of energy which is the nuclear bomb eventually they were able to do that the trinity test in uh in the desert somewhere in southern the southern part of the us so there was this feeling that maybe the germans are also pursuing a similar program but it looks like they were not so the americans were racing towards the bomb then they were able to test the bomb in the trinity test then they made two of these bombs fat man and little boy or something like that yeah so the japanese were driven back in asia eventually all they had was parts of manchuria and the japanese islands themselves the americans after the germans lost after the german surrendered the americans launched an intense bombardment campaign on japan the soviets took over the sakhalin peninsula the sakhalin region they took over the kuril islands and uh yeah they came all the way to hokkaido which is


came all the way to hokkaido which is northern the northernmost island of japan eventually the japanese refused to surrender despite months of intensive intense bombardments by the us then the americans tested two nuclear weapons on the japanese population hiroshima nagasaki and then the japanese empire surrendered there was this ceremony on one of the warships and ever since then the japanese have been under u.s occupation until today then of course there was the post-war period in which the korean peninsula was divided between the soviets and the americans which now north korea and south korea south korea is also under permanent u.s military occupation germany is now under permanent military occupation so is europe so is a italy and places like the netherlands etc even turkey have us nuclear weapons on their soil as of today so after the world war what happened was that the german was again divided up east germany west germany the iron curtain came up very rapidly and that's the


iron curtain came up very rapidly and that's the beginning of the cold war so the old power structure disappeared europe became weakened the uk became a second rate power france became a secondary power in the 1950s there was a sewage crisis that confirmed this that now the top dog is the u.s no longer it's no longer the uk or the french the french tried to play the last geopolitical gamble they failed the americans armed with them into going back and then essentially from that time onwards the us has been the undisputed uh ruler of the world the uk etc are the vasal states of the us and then the cold war period begins so that's where we can end this i suppose maybe one sentence i'll add at the end the un is a piece of the u.n okay let's talk about the u.n briefly so at the end when the world war when the second world war was ending the u.n was created and membership was open to everybody who declared


created and membership was open to everybody who declared war on germany before march 1 1945. so half the world's countries declared uh a declared war on germany just in just in writing not actual war but they announced officially that we are declaring war on germany and those countries became the founding members of the of the united nations of course after the war was over the the structure was solidified the victorious powers became the permanent members of the u.n security council india was offered a position but india refused mr nero did not want it he said give it to china he was repeatedly requested to make india a permanent member of the u.n security council mr nehru insisted repeatedly again and again china first then india maybe perhaps maybe not mr chavra i hope you and me don't get assassinated for making content like this uh my mom also kind of passed on that message to you through me like uh just ask her to be a little careful both of you speak a lot


a little careful both of you speak a lot of uh honest stuff and uh human beings outside of politics or geopolitics are not supposed to speak of things like this but we live in the age of podcasts and youtube we live in the age of correcting the history that we've been taught and i feel we live in the age of calling a spade or spade so maybe even if we get assassinated well at least this piece of content is on the internet forever you do you want to end this particular episode in any other way uh i think these geopolitical cycles never end the big the end of world war one was the prelude to world war two the end of world war ii was the prelude to the cold war the end of the cold war was the prelude to the multi-polarity that we are seeing now and things are moving very rapidly these geopolitical cycles occur again and again and again just like the dynastic cycles in china so if you learn geopolitics you understand what's


so if you learn geopolitics you understand what's coming and maybe something new is coming now because we are seeing a lot of movement geopolitically today in the 21st century in the 2020s this is the decade of rapid geopolitical change i hope a new conflict does not arise but it could so yeah yeah and for more on that conflict go check out the last episode right now sir and myself are going to head into the next one which is called dear america it's for american audiences so we've taken an active call to now create english podcast purely for an international audience do you have any message for an international audience before we sign off anyone outside of the subcontinent i think the major narrative that is prevalent outside the subcontinent is a certain narrative created by the western powers the whole of social media is owned and operated by a certain country we know what that is it's the us and a certain narrative is propagated through that i think the international audience


is propagated through that i think the international audience should look for other neutral narratives non-western narratives maybe there's something to learn from that narrative from someone like me or someone like us because we have we see history and geopolitics through our indian angle which is a non-western angle so it's always beneficial to approach a certain subject from multiple angles and then use your own judgment and wisdom to see what the truth may be because the truth is somewhere in between we may see things from a certain perspective they may see things from a different perspective maybe we are both right in some ways both wrong in some ways so it always helps to get new perspectives mr chavra thank you for another brilliant episode we'll be heading into the sequel called dear america thank you very much all right so that was the episode for today make sure you check out the sequel episodes which will be released in the following week we've covered the events of the cold war as well as modern day


events of the cold war as well as modern day america in those videos and if this is one of the first trs episodes you're ever watching i do recommend you check out the episode we did about the possibility of world war three which is a modern day commentary on geopolitics if you are an international audience member if you're an international listener i do urge you to share this podcast as much as you can uh i do believe that india has a lot to offer to the world be it from just a geopolitical perspective be it in terms of subject experts be it in terms of experiences this is india's number one podcast and we're bringing you a lot more very soon follow us on spotify for spotify exclusive every episode's available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world the rnv show will be back soon [Music] you


what's richard branson like during the flight he actually read a message to children look what i've done and now i'm passing the torch to you all let's see you know what are you going to take humanity to next and it was great to see that he read that message for the children and then he unstrapped and floated around the cabin with all of us as well it was great walking my dog on just a sunday random sunday and i i get this phone call and it says us government on my phone and i was like that's sketchy that was like scammers were getting very smart so i declined it and i got this voicemail from mike lay and he's like hey sirisha this is not me this is not the government trying to collect your taxes it's michael calling from the international space station you didn't answer and i was like dang it i was like mike you think you could have given me a heads up that you were gonna call me from space speaking to an astronaut


gonna call me from space speaking to an astronaut was one of the dreams when i began podcasting and that box has finally been ticked especially if you're an international consumer of the show i want to tell you that trs is all about bringing some insane experiences and insane perspectives in the form of casual relaxed conversation this is the story of siresha bendla who's working actively with richard branson and virgin galactic to make commercial space travel a fantastic real world possibility and this episode is a tiny insight into her world of space of aeronautics of aliens of black holes of course it's all the questions that you'd ever want to ask an astronaut but it's on the ranvi show therefore make sure you follow us on spotify but spotify exclusive which means that every episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world this is astronaut sirisha bendla on the ranbir show [Music] oh my god i'm excited about this one because i've always wanted to


excited about this one because i've always wanted to speak to an astronaut sirisha bendla thank you for being on the runway show thank you so much for having me i'm very excited to speak to you my visualization of this podcast initially was that it would probably be a little boring because an astronaut would be a very serious person i think you've got a bunch of personalities inside you and i have a lot of questions inside me i don't even know where to begin this but the kid inside me is super excited for this one yeah everyone loves space you don't grow out of that you know excitement that space brings it's like dinosaurs also i mean i've never met a dinosaur that doesn't excite me it's space is one of those things that just brings out our inner child okay speaking about your inner child i will ask you about how this journey began etc etc but honestly first i'd like to know about the moment where you realized you're outside of the earth's


moment where you realized you're outside of the earth's atmosphere where you looked around you and the colors started changing to what i'm assuming is black how did that feel and could you describe that moment first yeah absolutely so you know i was part of the unity 22 crew for virgin galactic that launched last july um so i have been wanting to go to space since i was young so i've been anticipating what this is going to look like i've watched videos of astronauts in space i've seen pictures of earth quite frequently from space but when you see it for yourself it's absolutely indescribable and i mean pictures this is very cliche but pictures do not do it justice and the whole journey is incredible when the rocket motor lights watching the sky turn from blue to black you know you're going to space and then taking that first look out the window and seeing earth just took my breath away what does it look like looks like a ball no kidding i mean you know a lot of


ball no kidding i mean you know a lot of astronauts talk about feeling the overview effect which is this cognitive shift in awareness of how they perceive life and it's it's very interesting because when i looked out the window you know i didn't feel like i was a changed person but i saw the thin blue line of the atmosphere and it really put into perspective how fragile our earth is and how lucky we have that planet and that all of human history has happened on that and yeah yeah and that's the other thing you know you see the planet and it's brilliant it's glowing and it's against this matte black void of space and you're like i'm looking down on everything i know everyone i know like all of my life experiences and you know you feel small but you don't feel insignificant so i came back to earth feeling very energized to continue to hopefully change you know the future for good wow okay so many questions yeah sorry that was very mushy but it's


questions yeah sorry that was very mushy but it's truly how i feel no no it's beautiful stupid question but um what do you see like outside of the earth like is it sort of uh you know the same kind of vibe just copy pasted all over like do you see a lot of stars do you like what do you see under the earth etc like if you look down what do you see yeah so our vehicle actually um there's a lot of windows around the cabin and when we fly this profile for just to be very simplistic about it the vehicle flips upside down so all of the windows have different views of of different parts you know of the earth so you see the curvature of the earth you see different parts of the southwest of the united states because that's where i launched from um but the earth is just so bright it's just so brilliant that you don't see any stars on that on that trip okay so the the light which bounces off the earth kind of blinds you


which bounces off the earth kind of blinds you yeah washes out the stars so you don't see the stars on this on the suburban trip for virgin galactic but the main the main star of the show is actually the planet wow how how far out do you get from the earth's atmosphere yeah so we're we go between 80 to 100 kilometers and you're having so much fun you're floating around the cabin i did you know my my role on the on the crew um so it was richard branson um the chief astronaut trainer of virgin galactic beth moses a flight test engineer colin bennett and then myself and of course two pilots and our role was actually to test out the cabin before we start flying our customers so you know as much as i would have loved to just stare out the window the entire flight because there's nothing comparable to that as soon as we got the clear to unstrap so to clear to get out of our seats we got to work you know


out of our seats we got to work you know we were testing seats we were testing the cabin i was actually doing an experiment which i'm happy to talk about yeah well what was it yeah so i actually took up plant samples to space they were genetically modified to express genes in reaction to the environment that they were in so i had three with me um they're in a tube with a preservative so basically you know when we're going up to our uh release altitude because first we're a plane to go up into you know above the thickest part of the atmosphere where a plane so i did one tube so it froze the plant in its current state at 1g so what we're feeling right now um and then after the rocket motor boost which is the high g portion you feel about three g's during the ascent to space i froze another plant sample and then during the weightlessness period i activated the third tube so basically you freeze that plant in its state in time so when you get back


in its state in time so when you get back to the lab you can look at what genes it was expressing because of what what how it was being stressed and researchers are going to use that data to create plants that are adaptable to a low gravity environment so astronauts going to the moon or going to mars can have fresh grown fruit food we've had an astrophysicist who's a regular on the show yeah he speaks about how space science and military science are actually the start of all modern day sciences and modern day engineering so i'm assuming that these are experiments you guys are conducting as astronauts for the future of the human race in general absolutely yeah and that's a you know that's something i get asked quite often you know when we're doing science and technology development in space people assume it's for further exploration you know going forward to further destinations and a lot of it you know a lot of it can be used for that and is used for that but a lot of


that and is used for that but a lot of what we're doing a lot of the data we're collecting actually applies to all the fundamental processes and and humanity on earth and it's really to create a better planet here and a better life for people okay next question what's richard branson like he's incredible he's it was such an honor to fly with him and he is you know he is just an expert at crafting a great human experience so i'm a you know technical person i'm looking at technical details in the cabin and richard is looking at how do we create a life-changing perceptive shifting experience for our customers because you know a lot of them are taking this journey it's you know it's something that they wanted to do all their lives so he was looking at it from the human experience and you know i learned so much from him from the outside looking in he seems like he's really got his inner child alive and this whole virgin galactic thing is like his inner child's dream


virgin galactic thing is like his inner child's dream in like some ways am i right yeah absolutely i mean he's wanted to go to space for a long time and you know he can't he he's you know entrepreneur he has so many businesses and he did want to open space up for everyone and that's really the mission behind virgin galactic and why he started the company what's his energy like was it his first time it was his first time in space yeah how did he react he was having a great time um he also he had i mean he truly truly is living life to the fullest and he also used this flight to hopefully inspire the next generation so during the flight he actually read a message to children he basically said you know look what i've done and now i'm passing the torch to you all let's see you know what are you going to take humanity to next and it was great to see that he read that message for the children and then he unstrapped and floated around