with the world I have large ears so I should listen more my mouth should be covered so speak at the appropriate time I should have a trunks that is very na so I should navigate the world well that that trunk can pick up a log and can pick up a pin it's very malleable to the situation I have a large belly so I should be able to digest everything that the world throws at me I have four hands which means I should be dexterous in the actions that come to me have a Pasha and an ankush which is a news and a goat so I should be able to push myself in the right situation as well as hold myself back in the right situations so just as we are absorbing the visualization of a mood board in the western concept of the law of attraction in the same way we are absorbing the Divine qualities of the Lord through the process of opasana now upasana and colloquial terms mean darshan so we what do we do when we


mean darshan so we what do we do when we go take darshan of the deity we go to the temple and we leave or we sit down for a period of time but real darshan let's sit there for a moment let's absorb the different observe the different qualities observe the form reflect on why does bhagwan have some deities why do they have forehands why do some have more hands why do some have weapons why is someone on a Lotus so this process of opasana creates connection that connection creates depth that depth creates manifestation yeah so Krishna is what he's saying yeah you can either think of him as his form in a deity and absorb him and connect with him and manifest or you can think of him as house and he'll manifest he's very willing I'll manifest it for you through Maya what do you have to do just desire but who are you Desiring for be conscious of that yeah am I Desiring for myself or for my greatness or am I Desiring for my evolution


my greatness or am I Desiring for my evolution and we can desire for our material things also for our Revolution may I get the right amount of money so that I can do good in the world Lakshmi Ji may lakshmiji come to me so I can do Nara and Seva where do we see Lakshmi Ji at the feet of Narayan so she is also doing Nara and Seva so may material growth come to me so they can use it for a higher good got him so when your law of attraction is associated with spiritual growth hmm and you submit and you still work hard into your duty well like give you a hundred percent in your work yeah these four factors come together yeah and actually give you your goals faster Quantum growth happens if you think about India's history at one point as they say you know um large a quarter of the world's GDP you know even up until relatively recently in the last few hundred years was produced and consumed in


last few hundred years was produced and consumed in India how did that Quantum growth take place in ways that didn't happen elsewhere in the world because these were the underlying principles of society where we recognized that I have to act I have to act for a higher goal and I have to act minus me for a big Vision so then those big Vision started to manifest [Music] lots to absorb um we had rajashi nandi on the show who's become like a fan favorite okay now because of the Tantra podcast what a guy incredible yeah uh if any of the audience members have not checked out those episodes my God you should go check it out give me a whole different aspect on Hinduism it was very Tantra Centric okay apparently what what I've understood what Hinduism is that it's very wide lots of different practices lots of different paths yeah and Tantra seems to be the quickest path towards the end goal of Hinduism which is Liberation or Nirvana yeah going


which is Liberation or Nirvana yeah going beyond your ego Enlightenment as people yeah at least from what I've learned on the show okay tantric practices seem to be the swiftest most intense possibly also kind of dangerous but um now apparently when I spoke to uh acharya Prashant and we had a Historical Museum on the show okay and these guys uh spoke about how the first version of Hinduism was Vedic it was much more about havans and it said according to historical conjecture that Krishna existed and the Mahabharat happened at around 3000 BC like around that yeah okay so I'm a little confused about this because if Tantra is the most advanced and fastest part to growth is it a relatively new practice uh-huh has it been developed recently or is it an ancient practice that's really found what's the ancient identity of Hinduism um it's a deep question and I'll go give you a landscape View and give you a portrait sure yeah the


landscape View and give you a portrait sure yeah the landscape view firstly let's just touch on the point that you made that Tantra is the fastest way okay or the most uh yeah fastest way is what you said is it also the fastest way to material growth we'll come to it okay see now your bare biceps take care there are three body types as we know ectomorph ISM of mesomorph endomorph now ectomorph has difficulty Greening uh a muscle mesome off has difficulty shedding fat and endomorph is the thoda Matlab you know robust body miso is the robust and does the difficulty so see you are biceps I am banking so you tell me right so different body types require have different Tendencies and therefore require different training and different diets different diets different amounts of rest different forms of conditioning massage and so on right it's different right so in the same way our minds are also different so for some uh Tantra might be the fastest path might be the fastest path from uh


fastest path might be the fastest path from uh for some study of the scriptures Guyana and vihana might be the fastest path but see ultimately the the and Krishna speaks about this on the bhagavad-gita as well he uses this beautiful phrase when talking about these different paths he says one who sees them as one he's the one who truly sees the one who sees this as as part of a Continuum is the one who truly sees yeah so that answer hopefully answers that question which is the fastest path it's more based on your conditioning now to go on to the broader landscape what is Hinduism how did it evolve and where are we now so Hinduism um firstly sanatana Vedic Dharma comes from The Vedas yeah Vedas literally mean come from the root word with with their knowledge take it a few thousand years ago I was a great Rishi acharya whom we often call bhagwan himself is a title his name was that was his name not to


title his name was that was his name not to be confused with the Krishna not to be confused with Krishna bhagwan Shri Krishna so they are different character there are different people who have lived who have had the name Krishna bhagwan Shri Krishna is one I mean he is he's got all of the attributes that we would want to desire or that we are attracted to all attractive but one of the Opera these names was also Krishna dark skinned and one way originally was Krishna the one who is dark-skinned or dark darker shaded an appearance as well as born on a island when [Music] um was on manifest on this Earth he realized that a lot of The Vedas are need to be structured need to be compiled and otherwise they are at risk of getting lost so the whole body of Life of knowledge known as Vedas was compiled by him into four Vedas these four Vedas each of the four Vedas have their own constituent Parts brahmanas


Vedas have their own constituent Parts brahmanas mantras and so on which we have previously also spoken about it's uh very simply upasana card which are hymns um Karma Khan which is the practice hawan practice and Gyan Khan which are the upanishads yeah now what was practiced when when Shri Krishna was manifest on this planet um he had a discussion with Arjuna on the kurukshetra battlefield as part of the bhagavad-gita where uh Arjuna said started talking about Karma and when Arjuna was talking about Karma he spoke it was meaning Karma Kanda which was prevalent at that period of time but Bhavan Shri Krishna said you are doing the karma Khan but do you know why you are doing it what does that mean and how you can take the principles of karma Khan which we have just discussed about Quantum results and apply it into your own life that's where the karma yoga concept came that yoga means Union Union through your


concept came that yoga means Union Union through your karma is karma yoga so that when we talk about the historicity of it there's definitely an evolution that bhagwan Shri Krishna introduced where he said karma is not just what what you do but absorbing the principles of that in your day-to-day life yeah then if you see the Hindu concept of time is circular and divided in broadly into four parts I don't want to say quarters because different streams say different periods last for different amounts of time but for Parcels yeah um now we are currently in kalyug in the ability to be able to undertake Haven Karma Khan is limited so therefore a more concise version of those practices are recommended the most concise version of those practices comes from a text known as Kali santarana upanishad okay Sun means total Tarana means overcoming and upanishad we already know other philosophical texts that are in the in The Vedas yeah where it was compiled by


in The Vedas yeah where it was compiled by bhagavad-vid vyas he had also compiled this operation they say in Kali yoga the Mantra utchar is sufficient to take you beyond you don't need to do uh all of these practices and that's where we have the reference of Hare Krishna Maha Mantra this is so if practices develop for the purpose of evolution spiritual evolution is sufficient now according to my understanding and I am not a tadric expert but obviously having a landscape view of Hinduism we understand these different um uh you know you understand the different branches at least at a superficial level yantra and Tantra all have important meaning yeah Mantra is the collection of words with depth that allows us to transcend our mind man mind which means to transcend [Music] that which helps us transcend the mind is mantra Mantra when visualized in a form creates a yantra yantra which is a tool so um I haven't conducted this experiment myself I've seen images


haven't conducted this experiment myself I've seen images of it I don't know if these images are uh you know as in I don't know the circumstances in which these experiments were conducted but someone conducted uh an experiment where they placed uh uh a tonal scope which Maps sound waves over the chanting of om and the young what the shape the diagram that it created was a Shri yantra wow [ __ ] explain what is to the audience though [Laughter] each of these points are just broadcasting themselves SRI yantra is I think in to tie it to our earlier discussions in the podcast is uh the manifestation vehicle where Divine energy can make things happen it's a symbol that contains a lot of power it's a geometric diagram if you look at it visually it's a dramatic diagram as all yantras are it's a geometric diagram but the specific purpose of that diagram is manifestation and manifestation not just material manifestation but manifestation in here where through engagement with that yantra


manifestation in here where through engagement with that yantra we can unlock the recesses of our minds you're saying in the uh tonograph tonography tonograph okay so using in the tonograph what was drawn out was a sound representation of a home chart wow okay okay now I think see you should not take everything that you've seen or heard online at face value I think it would be really valuable to conduct that experiment and see what shapes emerge um for example I'll give you another example in South India in Karnataka you have temples of dark granite yeah in the interior so in hampi also the temples of dark granite in interior I think this place called halebidu there are also um temples with pillars of dark Granite those pillars have very specific shapes to them they are rings almost you know if you look at it as a on from the side angle it would just like look quite Jagged but Jagged with rings now if you look at that and you record something on your phone and


at that and you record something on your phone and see that shapes that go they're very similar in form so there is a theory that each of those pillars are representative of the energy with which that Temple or that um deity has been established so even the pillars represent the sound form so anyway to come back to uh Tantra you have Mantra which is the uh which is the collection of charts you have the yantra which is the tool and Tantra is the uh utilization of the tool how do you utilize it say for example now I have this cup if I hold it upside down I am utilizing it incorrectly but if I hold it right and I use it to drink that I'm utilizing it correctly technique technique so the technique is the path of Tantra from a broad level you know you said throw is short for which means Beyond going Beyond to transcend tan is body could be yeah physical anything that's physical to transfer transcending the physical and you can utilize the physical also to


the physical and you can utilize the physical also to transfer visualization is one there are also sexual practices that were when the Colonists came into India they're like oh my God how can this be part of your religion but there are practices and unfortunately now our obsession with the sexual angle of it means that we are only looking at that is what Tantra is that's why people oh wow I want that I want Tantra yeah exactly but it's much more than that uh I have so much to say about Tantra in general so fascinated by it man I'm meditating regularly but I won't be surprised if I get more than information through the show this way I feel that knowledge is Finding Me Yeah and through me it's finding the audience probably yeah and you've had so many different speakers audience members connect with some speakers more than others right so for the audience some message will resume is the message for them yeah yeah someone who comes with a very deep heart of bhakti some people will be very


deep heart of bhakti some people will be very drawn to them some people who comes with a very rational intellectual perspective people will be drawn to that yeah yeah that's exactly what it is yeah um I'm just an Explorer Banjara me too both of us finding life yeah still trying to understand what's my exact path uh again a year and a half ago another rough face all right I was probably burnt out at this time I went to Goa for like a week and a half with some of my friends I don't take vacations that are as long as a week and a half towards the end of the vacation I don't know man it was raining but I still wanted to go to the beach just want to see the beach why not the beach had a great time recorded some Vlogs yeah on my way back I'm just drawn to this one stall I couldn't even see what's in the store but I was like why is that stall drawing right there's a bunch of other


that stall drawing right there's a bunch of other stuff I couldn't see what was kept at that stall but just something with the lighting and it was very basic white you know boring cheap lighting yeah yeah tube light yeah it was just an isolated Stone yeah I go there and it's a table full of crystals oh wow of which this purple one oh yeah I got from there amethyst yeah um I don't know anything about crystals yeah at that point but I'm drawn under I'm just staring at them okay and uh whatever they were not cheap not expensive but money didn't matter I was just staring at somewhere and I'm asking my friends why am I drawn to this I had a spiritual friend there with me I asked him why am I drawn to this dude and he's like yeah because crystals contain energy and anyone who meditates is usually drawn to these at some point yeah I was like really I don't know what I'm drawn to these four but I really feel like taking


drawn to these four but I really feel like taking some home and I bought some which looked cute to me it may not even have been the best looking crystals yeah it just looked nice to me yeah and I picked those up yeah I kept them in my house in my office and I felt it did add some I don't know what it added it didn't add aesthetic yeah but it added something yeah A vibe yeah an energy a calm yeah it's feeling I don't know man uh again this year I'm in Dubai yeah I went to one of my favorite restaurants there and we had to wait outside the restaurant because we weren't getting a table I'm getting bored I'm with viraj my co-founder monkey and I look to the right I'm drawn to this shop I go inside it's a crystal shop I'm like oh that's happening again yeah cool uh picked out crystals uh with more knowledge about it at this point okay because I know that that last time that this has happened it


that that last time that this has happened it had added some kind of weird energy to my room yeah uh this time I went in the shop I saw lots of gorgeous Shop full of all sorts of crystals but before I made my decision about which one to buy I came out spent an hour outside the restaurant inside the restaurant reading about like crystals what does this mean what is this for yeah and I still laugh upon this stuff when I was a kid you know you see those astrology so I was also that too so I'm reading about getting in the knowledge I go inside the shop I start a conversation with the shop owner who's Pakistani oh and I asked him does Islam have a an angle for gemstones subcontinental version of Islam especially yeah it does have somewhat of an angle and they also collect certain crystals yes and I'm exchanging Hindu and Muslim nodes Etc and he told me that only pick out the crystals that you're actually drawn to that's a rule I follow


you're actually drawn to that's a rule I follow myself that's a rule generally people are supposed to follow yeah because he's like the wrong Crystal might have wrong effects on you yeah so don't pick out everything I'm not here to take your money just pick out the ones which are speaking to you more deeply got it I sent uh my team out and I was just alone with that guy in the shop just discussing crystals understanding his learnings you got it picked out a few crystals yeah got them home yeah it was definitely an effect in my life and it might just be uh Placebo yeah but why do I feel so much more internally strong why my meditation is going deeper why are you a career coming my way with a lot of these things I'm here there is a dictionary meaning of a word and then those words are very loaded so if you say Vibes the dictionary vibration right we speak there's a vibration so we carry that Vibe but we say wives as like some


carry that Vibe but we say wives as like some sort of happy clappy hippie comes into mind right same with woke same thing is happening right with idle same thing it's got a meaning but it's a loaded meaning yeah that's added on to it so crystals Vibes all of these things are slightly uh you know to understand them we have to let go of our ego a little bit Yeah because our ego is such that I it's a I know everything what do you I'll sit here and I'll judge don't we yeah yeah it's almost derogatory uh for someone to speak about crystals very much so now but the reality is all that we are is the Earth and the five elements of the Earth manifested in a different construction right calcium skin boy whatever whatever we have consumed through our food has manifested in our body so you can say this body is Earth in a different form right Earth and the five elements in a different form the thoughts that we that are in our head are also conditioned


that we that are in our head are also conditioned by the Earth I.E by the food that we eat if we overeat we have a certain type of thought if we don't eat enough people get hungry what is angry Earth is not engaging with Earth so that's creating a certain that's Ang that angry is a warning sign saying go eat something yeah because you're out of whack so what we physically are is Earth in a different form what we mentally are also is influenced by the Earth in a different form what are crystals crystals are coming from the depth of the Earth itself they are gemstones created because of centuries of pressure put upon them yeah so specific elements that have had that intense pressure have transformed into something different that we are now attracted towards centuries of intense pressure on a carbon atom has now transformed into a diamond in the same way lifetimes of intense pressure on this body that is the earth in a different form of this mind that is the alternative has


different form of this mind that is the alternative has transformed into an evolved being we are from the earth we are Guided by the Earth and this is where like energy is and things they come into play if if we have an open mind then bhu Devi the Earth goddess will draw us and guide us but if you have a closed mind then this is just fodder for people to make YouTube videos and gain views on your name say the Lord and we talks about crystals which will happen now inevitably so we'll sit back and watch sit back and watch see the thing is we are all walking unique Journeys in life if you go for a walk on the beach some people will be really drawn to the shells other people won't even register that they are there wild because we are Earth walking on Earth and there's a conversation that's happening that we are not even aware of our perception is so limited we think that we are talking here face to face but there's a completely different


here face to face but there's a completely different cellular conversation that's happening all all the time and so the elements that we bring into our life the elements that we bring into our space are influencing Us in ways that we don't realize and for people who are going through high pressure they will have these elements come in at the right time they will disappear also you want to hear a story I'll give you one I have found a um Charlie Graham Stone that was um energized and given to my mom oh it was cleansed I don't know whether it was potency was put in or it was just the mantras were to clean it but it was energized and given to me now I sort of I was like yours that was a bit you know weird but fine it's a nice looking ring and it's from my mom so as a gift I'll wear it I worried it had it helped steady me in terms of my spiritual practice it achieved some it was there with me while I


it achieved some it was there with me while I was achieving some important goals for myself so in 2018 I ran the London Marathon we raised thousands of pounds like lacks of rupees um for charity and it was there with me throughout and I I I'm not that I could say oh I was wearing this ring and suddenly I have you know Captain Planet Powers but I could I realized that in retrospect there were certain things that clicked after this thing happened yeah and uh that's why I should really cherish that thing not just as a gift from my mother but also something that was quite special to me I once and then after a point decided to see that it was becoming loose not that I had gained weight or lost weight or anything like that just started to see that it was becoming loose so I just sort of made a point that to make sure that it's there and um one day I was going on a run in London about 15 kilometer on when we when


run in London about 15 kilometer on when we when uh and throughout the run I was just checking it's there is there it's there after the run I finished I sat on the grass I looked at my hand it's gone now where it fell God knows what but at the time that it needed to exit it started to say but now the purpose has been fulfilled so now that the Earth element is taking the Earth taking it back or it went to someone else oh it went yeah who knows who who might have needed it who knows who found it and what inspiration they got I had this rose quartz heart-shaped pastel lock it yeah which is helping me a lot yeah friend of mine came home was going through a tough time it's felt like giving it to her like an internal voice just came to give this stuff I have another rose quartz yeah same thing I feel like crystals maybe after they've done their job supposed to give them yeah it's a see and this is a woo-woo conversation so


a see and this is a woo-woo conversation so let's bring it to practical right sure we have chapters of our life that we spend in places right we have a certain chapter of our life that is spent in a physical building of a school if I'm of uh working age and I sit in that school and call it remote working it'll it will be weird however nice we feel when we go back to school a part of us also knows that we can't sit there there are certain chapters of our life that we spend in certain cities right you you end up going somewhere for an event you have a good time but then beyond that if you go back the next time you will not have that experience so ah you know we spend time on Earth in different parts of this planet and actually on this planet as is needed for our evolution and the Earth sustains us through food the Earth sustains us through Company by sustaining the other people that we need to meet and the Earth guides


people that we need to meet and the Earth guides us that's why bhu Devi and maintaining the Earth is so important how do you use the crystals in Hindu rituals so I mean they're not widely used some users are as you say you will put them on a ring you will put them on a thing and you will they are energized in certain way and then you carry that frequency with you um sometimes when there is a yagya uh there is a deity in front of the deity there's a yantra in the yantra they are placed at certain different objects are placed at different points to create different energetic spaces what what are the objects uh they could be crystals there are metallic objects as well there could be you know like a a ring of copper or brass uh or gold even uh Earth could be put there cow dumb could be put in dried cow dung kicks so all of these are used to produce a certain energetic field now see the thing is true


certain energetic field now see the thing is true practitioners of these Arts are limited I am not a you know I'm not a practitioner of these things uh I would like to learn but if I don't know I'm not going to say that is wrong if I don't know I'm going to say I don't know but if I study the logic of it I get it there's got to be a logic behind all these things um you know just because scientific research hasn't been carried out in an environment like this does not mean uh it's illogical yeah and in saying that of course there's a lot of people are probably using it wrong or just not going about the practice with a sense of logic or not understanding the why behind the what exactly so I was yesterday I was in I started my day at go over the Nico Village which is three hours outside of Mumbai uh we were beautiful uh morning aarti at 5am and after that we started our Japan we as a friend of


that we started our Japan we as a friend of mine from London has also from Eastern stigma and then after that we were going to do our Japan and he said look the night sky or the early morning sky before the sunrise was just beautiful so he went we found the Terrace flatters and we said then started doing our jump up and then what happened was that gradually as the sun started to come out this the top was dark then we lay down and we're looking at the stars which I don't think is a prescribed approach but it was just so beautiful when you are under completely darkened sky and you see these different stars and you see some of them are shooting stars and you see some of them are brightly shining some of them are distant some of them are visible they're not some of them are visible some of them are not visible then we realize how small we are so only when we come into the City and we are glued to our phone that we forget everything else that's


to our phone that we forget everything else that's going on and we say oh I know everything I know everything I am the center of my existence I know everything that gives us the permission to judge you know and this is not a spiritual point I think it's a general human Point yeah that if we see people around us that are different from us who have different beliefs before we start to judge them and make fun of them and we say you know use versus the words like right wing which has another loaded word or you use uh thing like or Crystal or Vibes can we just stop and understand first if we have understood truly understood then we cannot carry judgmentalness if we're carrying judgment that means we have not truly understood I think being on either end of that spectrum is wrong complete Blind Faith and just flowing into it is also wrong yeah because that leads to you rationalizing things that actually have no logic and then being on this end where you're just discounting the moment you


this end where you're just discounting the moment you hear a word or the moment you hear the phrases like energy Vibes crystals that's also wrong because you're stopping your own growth we have a Mind Body intellect we should utilize all three I think the final segment of this episode is going to be a continuation of the conversation we had outside about uh Carl bhairava yeah uh there was a two energies that I was drawn to after the Tantra episodes yeah and while my isht is Krishna at different stages of life I've always been drawn to a different deities correct that doesn't mean I have less respect for Durga or Hanuman yeah but why am I wrong to these two um see there are different like I said there are different schools of philosophy they come with a different perspective vedanta is the most uh well-known School of philosophy vedanta itself has three major variants and many other sub variants the three major variants are um yeah in a non-personalized it it uh sees the


in a non-personalized it it uh sees the Divine as non-personalized as well as personalized but personalized Matlab isn't in a form is also a pathway to the non uh non-form take care that's the Lord alone is but the manifestation manifest world is also part of the Lord yeah so it could be it kind of say it's unmanifest manifest unmanifested dueta says world is Lord is forget all this every personalized non-personalized just see the Lord you know in front of you bow down get rid of your ego and attain that all three parts are valid I'm not saying one is better than the other but my study is uh and what has appealed to me the most is advaitha path um even though I've had significant opportunity to study other parts and I rejoice in the exponent how they expound the truth is beautiful I'm not saying the other parts are wrong but I can answer your question best based on what I have said when I have studied it um it has helped me


I have studied it um it has helped me understand the Divine almost like a room okay there's imagine there's a room a large Hall in fact the experience of being in the hall is what SAT [ __ ] Anand completeness you have complete experience of the truth we have complete conscious experience you're not sleeping at some point and waking up and having weird conscious dreams you're consciously aware at all times and Anand it is blissful yeah suchit Anand but to get into the Hall of sachid Anand you need to be attracted by it so you will be because we are in our own world yeah and I so what if it's temporary at least it's high you know I had a temporary high but I enjoy it and I want it a while why would I want to leave that and go so to attract us into the Hall of sachidanand we have various uh the Lord manifests itself in various forms to attract us and the pathway is different some people want a direct


and the pathway is different some people want a direct pathway the big door studied with gems and colors and so on that's what to be attractive to them for some people they want to get to that Hall through deep forest and a secret door with certain and then they'll get it yeah now what happens is the pathway the pathway and dolving that attracts Us in the most prominent way ishta devta knows that ultimately to for you know to get through the resort Krishna or Ganesha or Devi will be the form that takes you through but as we walk the path there are um lessons from other parts that are needed to remove specific imperfections in our heart that's why different deities come into our lives for periods of time and this is not just colloquially in your and my experiences many great Masters have had the same experience you know um I don't know if I should take names but I'll take names on what has been publicly published so it's on the record right so


publicly published so it's on the record right so um Swami for example one of you know a really incredible being has written uh his book The Journey home about how he met srila prabhupada and what was his journey to joining iscon but he on his journey also spent a period of time in the Himalayas you know uh undertake with Direction in the sheaway tradition as well he went the book starts with him being in mandir which is the major Shiva temple in Nepal foreign started her devotion her devotional Journey began with SRI Krishna and ended with Devi that's when she marched into the highest Consciousness merged into the highest right so um the divine will use the paths the means the doorways to draw us in and when some people have doubts when a different form comes they start getting ready am I being disloyal I feel like we should recognize that as an act of Grace that someone said that oh I care about this person this person is making progress so now


about this person this person is making progress so now from cardio machine I need to take them to free weights I'm going to give them a little bit of free weights workout and that's the different forms that come into our lives do you want to shed some light on Kal bhairav uh yes sure I mean look tantric practitioners will speak about this in great depth with more Authority than me so I acknowledge that I'm not the authority here so Kal bhairav uh the name itself as uh two elements to it Carla means time bhairav means the terrifying aspect of Lord Shiva [Music] Carl bhairav's purpose is not to destroy as is the Destroyer Kal bhairav's purpose is and I say kalber srikal bhairav ji's purpose is to take people to the rightful destination now what is the rightful destination in Hinduism it is we have experienced to get to Satya Anand we have to shed our identification with his body mind intellect take care of this ego how do we do that


take care of this ego how do we do that we merge through different Pathways until we get to the pathway we have to go through the experience of karma or different things coming up you know and say okay well I really fancy black black black so I'll live a life then suddenly one point will come by my life is black alone that karma is then being export then at least at that point if I say okay I need to move towards the higher then the spiritual path Begins the Pierce form of Shiva that is dragging us through our life experiences towards the ultimate destination and why is it Fierce because it is dragging us whether we want it or not it'll create conditions in our life that will take us to that Divine destination Carl we said we are not we are all being consumed by time eventually and dragged means he accelerates the journey foreign is the Court wall or the dispenser of Justice in Varanasi Varanasi we see as a place in India but from uh sanatani


as a place in India but from uh sanatani perspective it is not just a place but a collection of a specific um consecrated set of energies that are present in various temples where various spiritual practices are undertaken and where an acceleration of evolution can take place yeah I'm not going to speak anymore on shikal bhairav ji just because the more you speak the less believable it becomes and even if I speak about It ultimately it's something that we have to experience but Carla uh there are stories Associated which I can just maybe cover in an instant if you want but uh Carl bhairav ji's purpose is to accelerate our Evolution towards the ultimate goal Maybe by giving you material gifts early on so that as needed yeah yeah so um's first appearance in the puranas isn't she Quran associated with the passing of Sati Mata who was a shivji's first wife and what as many people know what ended up happening at um prajapati's was that Shiva was


at um prajapati's was that Shiva was not invited and when um satima went daksh was his father uh when satima went she was not only was shivji What Not only was she insulted but through her shivji was insulted as well and then you know she decided to um through yogic process exit because she could not bear and Shiva reached she saw the lifeless form of Sati and he took out one of his jata in his anger and smashed it on the ground through that appeared now this is the story this is the quranic version of it if someone is truly interested they can go in depths and understand what is the meaning of each one of these things you know what is the yogic process through which sathi was um was consumed what why was it important to have a Shiva there I'll explain this one thing Shiva it was important to have Shiva there because otherwise the yagya was done purely for material again she was a spiritual truth and only taking you


again she was a spiritual truth and only taking you cannot do yagya first material again you have to do it for Spiritual truth and accept that the material game that comes our motivation cannot be to use the elements of sanatan dharam to become more powerful we have to have the highest perspective with us otherwise it's an insult to the Traditions yeah so we can go into depth if we respect this uh the puranas and understand them oh we can add surface level say what is this you know what is this this is irrational these are stories these are myths you said Smith's then you missed the point fine okay if you see if you want to miss the point then take care but don't if I and I'll never say this but if I were to say it's a myth then I can believe that but I won't say to you you are wrong if people don't believe it it's fine don't believe it but don't tell people who are believing it that you are wrong why because when


are believing it that you are wrong why because when I I judge people who are believing it I recognize that I don't know Kal bhairav is an entity is a power is a manifestation of a Divine that is beyond any of our conceptual capability so we should treat it with respect and try and understand and make progress and if we don't understand if we reject it fine reject it but don't discourage other people don't break other people's faith would you like to highlight Kalima and Tara as well so um similar to kalabhairav Kal appears in Kali mask now people assume that Kalima is called Kali because of the color of our skin but no because she's taking us to our divine destination what is time okay Carl is time so Kalima um takes us from where we are to our ultimate destination which is we are all bound by time but she will accelerate our journey through it so a similar function you can say to srikal bhairav in a different concept uh in a different context


in a different concept uh in a different context with a different energetic uh reality associated with Kalima thalima is shown as um is shown in a very Fierce form but she's also very loving deity so only the fierce form is if you can go beyond the first form you get to the loving Kalima was nurturing and takes care of a takes care of those who go to her this is a very deep concept uh aspect of Shri Vidya um which again I I'm not really qualified to talk about so I won't go in huge amount of detail but Tara also comes from that word tarani yeah one who takes you beyond no accident so um I believe and I may be wrong I believe um taranima is a tarama is a younger form of um Kalima add more more useful more energetic draws you with greater pace draws you with greater Pace greater Pace than Kali yes more dynamic yeah really now these deities are consecrated they are worshiped by skilled and qualified


consecrated they are worshiped by skilled and qualified practitioners if one wants to worship them then please seek guidance don't just play with energies that you don't realize and if people are drawn through the conversation that we've just had then don't take my authority at face value use this as a starting point and go to a a qualified archery and actually I will say this on all subjects people said to me oh so you now become a guru um I am no guru I am nobody's Guru I am no guru at all I am not even an acharya I am not a teacher I am a Seeker like different people like you like anyone else on the path I am a Seeker if a little bit of knowledge has landed in this head then you can think of me as a milestone or a direction board you want happiness go here you want truth go ahead that is all I am so if people are encouraged by this conversation they want to go deeper then seek that depth


conversation they want to go deeper then seek that depth I think this is a heavy enough episode now let's call it a day amazing uh another kind of packet of knowledge that you've given us the TRS audience as well just want to say thank you don't want to end this with too long uh monologue thank you so much I had a great time I'm glad uh maybe the next time we'll dive even deeper based on subjects from the comment section yeah so the audience is going to tell us what they would like to unlock with uh Mrs dwatkar but there's also this whole other side of umatkar which is related to banking Finance geopolitics international relations we're gonna head into a recording both those topics thank you can't wait good that was another epic episode with om dumatkar every time he meets me not only does he teach me things through the episode he gives me a lot of Brotherly advice as well I feel the outcome of holding that much knowledge in your mind is that you


holding that much knowledge in your mind is that you become a much better pattern recognized on all aspects of life but especially when it comes to people he always gives me a lot of personal advice which always hits the spot and then because of his knowledge about Indian culture about Hinduism he kind of ties it into something spiritual and that nuanced input that I get from Mr om dhumatkar always has a big impact on my life that's what I love about this human being I had to share his knowledge with the world and we've only begun recording podcasts with them every single time he's in India we intend on recording a lot more episodes with him so in the comment section please tell us what you would like for us to discuss the next time he's around remember to follow us on Spotify for episodes just like this every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world also make sure you check out level super mind our meditation app you'll earn yourself a


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even a billionaire has to learn to deal with dealing with his or her insecurities when they see others as much as somebody who's just a middle class person with a middle class person because he's fancying the comfort so much things that in Kota is you know when somebody's down there says but that's not the case I think everybody has their own emotional insecurities everybody has their own relationship issues health issues serious health physical health issues people get family issues that everybody goes through everything we are a society of humans don't they say that when you're very very happy you listen to the music of the song and when you're very sad you listen to the lyrics that nobody listens to the lyrics shooting a missile stranger so I I so much feel that it's it's these moments it's those low phases of our life will actually make us the last time I spoke to gorgopaldas Prabhu was three years ago and it is one of our Blockbuster episodes It's one of


is one of our Blockbuster episodes It's one of our legendary episodes many of our listeners today discovered the show through that particular episode that was a 27 year old mind talking to a monk mind today it's an almost 30 year old mind speaking to that same monk mind I've put myself through the process of podcasting I've tried learning a lot about life and therefore this one is obviously going to be deeper than the last one but if you enjoyed that episode think of this one as a sequel for more episodes like this make sure you follow TRS on Spotify for Spotify Spotify exclusive every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world my own meditation and yoga app level super mind is now live on the App Store on the Play Store you'll get a one week free trial if you download it from the link given down below but for now make sure you enjoy this epic conversation in this epic combination of God gopaldas Prabhu and


epic combination of God gopaldas Prabhu and yours truly on the runway show [Music] wow it's an honor see you again I feel like I've earned this episode in the same way that I earned the first one how are you sir I am very good and you're always very kind to me by saying this the last time also I didn't know you're going to save so much and then that was put like the intro to the episode too many kind words I'm always great but it's like a Deja Vu yeah yeah three years back and it feels like coming back home but in a very different home now my God you know it's like going coming coming to your studio then it was more raw yeah and this is a little more sophisticated but nevertheless I think the spirit remains exactly the same and that's the beauty of it all the things externally can change but the spirit needs to remain the same and I think the spirit is exactly the same so that's beautiful thank you sir


exactly the same so that's beautiful thank you sir the fact that you're saying it feels like coming home is a huge deal for all of us um so many things to say you know you were the last recording before the pandemic hit oh really yeah oh I didn't know that yeah and um the stream I'm guessing I wasn't the cause no no no no no so you were you were a cause for us kind of becoming a mainstream podcast like I've already released it our episode was so well received uh primarily because I did not prep for it in the same way I'm not prepped for today's episode and I'm just asking you my own questions uh I was 27 I think that time and the problems of being in your mid-20s are very different from being close to 30 yeah so today I'm gonna ask you some close to 30 problems so how are you first I am I'm doing very well and I like I said I'm very happy to be back yeah and extremely excited for


happy to be back yeah and extremely excited for this conversation and I think it's just so much Heart to Heart Like you said no prepping but just a heart to heart conversation and I'm I'm I so many of our Instagram stories are from the podcast with it even today and people keep tagging me with the stories from the clips from those episodes and I meet people and people keep talking about that episode thousands and thousands of them everywhere I go yeah you know why they talk about it so because of you no [Music] [Laughter] genuinely in so much pain when I talk to a monk like yourself you guys are stuck in time in a very nice way you you're on the same you know uh mental emotional Zone which is why I wish to ask you that um firstly are there laws in the life of a monk and secondly um how how do you how do you stay stuck in that piece of time you know because I it's kind of the same question but feel free


I it's kind of the same question but feel free to answer it in the way you like sure sure sure question number one do monks ever feel low the question would be do human beings feel low I don't know if you are a human being I'm saying that as a compliment uh yeah I I feel monks are humans too okay monks are humans too except for dead matter except for dead matter except for humanoids machines with artificial intelligence every human being is an emotive person I don't think monks are exception either okay everybody has emotions because we are humans so if we are humans there's going to be ups and downs right if they're we're talking about humans they can be Peaks and valleys make crests and trouts all of these things happen in the Gita you will find this as the main theme of the book about the ups and the downs and the highs and the lows right and and if how you have a sense of purpose it protects you yeah learn this


a sense of purpose it protects you yeah learn this from you oh yeah I've just gotta mention it because it's protecting me over the last time oh brilliant brilliant so yes I think it would be an exaggeration in fact even a lie a massive untruth if I might use that word to say that monks don't have lures to say that monks don't feel low the difference however is how they navigate through that law spirituality is not about not feeling low it's about how do you bounce back to your high how quickly do you bounce back to your high how happily do you bounce back to your high how effectively do you bounce back to your high that spirituality to say that you don't feel your low is to say that you're a dead piece of wood right and if if a dead piece of wood doesn't feel low well you don't even really praise that that piece of food you don't even admire worship or respect that that piece of wood because if it doesn't feel low what


piece of wood because if it doesn't feel low what do you need to respect it for you respect people when they go through a low phase because with their sheer grit with their sheer fortitude with their sheer strength and with their sheer resolve resilience they have bounced back that is spirituality right so I I absolutely feel I in fact uh tell the story of a very very renowned spiritual Saint in India uh an entire tradition called The pushti Mark is followed in India by his name and two men came to him both seeking spiritual initiation both speaking seeking spiritual deep spiritual connection both had lost their dear ones in fact both had lost their sons and one of them was extremely stoic like you know no feeling of any you know grief just toy space was like completely composed peaceful and then you had the other person who was like crying yelling extremely expressive about his grief and his emotions you could say that he was going through a low phase in his life having lost


going through a low phase in his life having lost his son so when both of them approached SRI vallabhacharya he said to the first one that you're not qualified for spirituality I'm sorry the one was one was stoic so you're not qualified for Spiritual initiation you please go and the second person he immediately gave shelter and said you can come I'll initiate you so the first guy said asked he said sir I mean my son is dead and look at me I'm kind of above those emotions I'm above those emotions I'm away from those emotions away from those feelings so don't you think I qualify for Spiritual initiation all the more said you're like a dead stone with no feelings you have no feelings you have no emotions and only a deadstone or a log of wood is like that he's a human being as a human being he has his feelings of flow he is grief he has emotions and because he has feelings now my job is to redirect and re-channel that


now my job is to redirect and re-channel that energy into constructive spirituality spirituality is not about stoic spirituality is about how do you channelize the energy that you're going through in a constructive purpose and even sad energy can be used 200 percent 200 because sad energy is what actually impels you to do something better in fact it's in moments of grief it's in moments of those when you really hit rock bottom is when you start looking for meaning and purpose right Man's Search for meaning Victor Frankel what is it right the whole book is about this it is in those moments at in those concentration camps going through so much that he started looking for Man's Search for purpose for meaning in fact we look for meaning we look for purpose only when we hit rock bottom right don't they say that when you're very very happy you listen to the music of the song and when you're very sad you listen to the lyrics when you really did man nobody listens to the shooting of missile strangers so I


to the shooting of missile strangers so I I so much feel that it's it's these moments it's those little phases of our life that actually make us I learned that this planet is the bulok right I'd love for you to explain the word bhulok right but I'd also love for you to answer the next question I'm going to ask you where a middle planet or a middle realm as people call it you know we talk about heaven and hell and in our culture we talk about the planes above us below us and we're right in the middle so of course there's Beauty around us you know there's food there is color there is song uh but is this a planet full of suffering and are we sent you to suffer a little bit because um of the 400 something guests I've had on the show no one's life has been perfect and no one's life is perfect at this moment right of course um are we sent here to experience the imperfections and the suffering uh here's how I I


and the suffering uh here's how I I look at it sure my take on it is this that I feel that this world is like a university and you come to an uni come to a university to get educated you come to a university to enhance your know-how you come to a university to learn you come to a university to deepen your understanding about a subject you come to a universe University to get a degree to graduate and start something right in the outside world to me this world seems to be like University right it's all about learning it's all about evolving it's all about going through the process of enhancing my understanding and educating myself in life now imagine a life where everything was fair what's the learning imagine a life when everything goes exactly the way you want it what the bloody hell am I learning right imagine a life where I get what I want when I want how I want where is my evolution do I even have an opportunity to work on myself and


even have an opportunity to work on myself and everything goes my way when you go to the gym you lift weights you're lifting weights Against Gravity because you lift weights against gravities when your muscles grow th is a consequence of going against gravity and going against gravity means suffering right if I put a weight down bloody hell no problem it's just going down there's no pain in it but if I have to pick up a dumbbell which is 25 kilos up like this it's going anti-gravity an anti-gravity means pain but pain means growth right pain means growth now some people will take have to go through that pain and because they're going through their pain just for the heck of going through it there's no growth look at people going to the gym and just swinging without focusing on their muscle there's no growth we're just swinging the muscles not even lifting the weight there's no mind muscle connection you know but those who are not just going through it for the heck of it they see the pain


it for the heck of it they see the pain they know that's anti-gravity they know there are issues they know their problem they know their challenges and when they consciously try to use it for their growth that is when growth happens no pain no gain there's no question of growth without pain you go to university it's a hell of a lot of pain to go through thick fat books to write the assignments to go through the wires to write your exams you have to slog it out like hell if you want a degree from ivy league university go to I am Ahmedabad and ask any of the students they're slogging it out right it's painful but that's the purpose how do you grow how do you evolve how do you learn how do you progress without having gone through that pain so to me you could just call it this is a world of suffering suffering Service Such a negative way of looking at it and I'm not one of those I hate looking at the world in a very


those I hate looking at the world in a very pessimistic negative way that oh there's so much pain there's so much there is pain undoubtedly like you rightly said at the beginning of this question nobody's life is perfect and it can't be right we're not looking for perfection in our life we're looking for genuineness and sincerity of commitment to our lives right Perfection nobody can have but can we be sincere in our life yes perfect moments nobody can have can happy moments can we have yes a perfect relationship nobody can have happy relationship we can try to have a perfect home nobody can have a happy home we can try to have you know so I really don't think that like I said I don't look at this world just constantly saying it's pain pain pain pain oh God sometimes spirituality and spiritual leaders just bombard people with this when people are going through enough of that stuff you don't need to tell them that you need to direct that energy rightly to says how


you need to direct that energy rightly to says how do you utilize that pain to grow is there a scripture that talks specifically about this because I feel pain is so subjective in the same way the romance is subjective you know you watch a Bollywood movie you have a certain idea of romance and then as you grow up you have breakups you have experiences you realize oh that's not what I saw when I was growing up right maybe even pain is the same what you're told to feel bad about for example death right we're too old all our lives that should be afraid of death right you know and you see kids teenagers I have a sensitive teenage cousin of mine the moment you mention anything about death he gets very uncomfortable okay and it's very different from um the way I would react to it because I've seen my own family members pass away I've seen my own pets pass away I have a different opinion on death I've spoken to people like yourself I've learned


I've spoken to people like yourself I've learned about garud purana and all these things um I have such a different opinion on death which I've had to learn through adulthood is there a scripture that talks about pain and suffering in the same way and if I'd love for you to share some something that help you scripture yeah I I'll tell you there's so many varieties of books and scriptures and you know we have in the Hindu The Vedic sanatan tradition so many books like these to me the one book that has always been the Guiding Light is the bhagavad-gita okay you know because every other book has details this book has principles and the principle can be very subjectively utilized utilize might be the wrong word a principle can be very subjectively applied by every individual based on their shade of gray right you know like what a sentence means to you will mean a very different thing to me yeah based on your situation of life this is the text and there's a context


of life this is the text and there's a context and the context of your life renders meaning to the text so like for example I might read a sentence in the Gita I might have read that sentence 26 years back the context of my life was very different and today I read the same sentence the context of my life today was very different the context renders realization and wisdom to the text right so I feel for me the book The bhagavad-gita has been a book which has been like the guiding force and The Guiding Light for my personal life and since you asked me a particular question about a scripture where pain is spoken about or perspectives on pain this is the book we don't need to necessarily Define pain in terms of its magnitude and the details and there are books talking about it fair respect I'm just saying that how to navigate through that pain those principles are here like we say often that you know pain is inevitable suffering is optional right what happens to you is inevitable


optional right what happens to you is inevitable how you respond to it is very optional it's a very subjective thing so if I learn those principles and brace myself to deal with what comes my way I'm in a better position than otherwise so I do feel that this book seems to have those principles this book seems to have those wisdom nuggets which can then be picked up and very subjectively spirituality is not objective it is a very subjective experience it's a very subjective Journey each individual based on his or her particular situation based on his or her particular life based on her his or her particular inspiration based on his or her particular context will decode those statements will decode those shlokas we decode those interpretations in ways that will very effectively Empower them in their particular situation on life but this stage of your life sir what's the learning at this stage the learning for me at this stage in my life is as it has always been but learning doesn't have to be new


has always been but learning doesn't have to be new okay learning can get more and more refined and deeper it's like a tree roots are not new The Roots just get deeper and The Roots just get stronger if the roots get deeper and The Roots get stronger the tree survives all the onslaughts of bad weather it's not that the tree is growing newer roots or that the weather is getting better weather doesn't remain better all the time Runway it can get better but it goes for the worst again but the roots can remain deeper all the time any weather outside cannot affect the roots the weather can shake the tree the branches the leaves the Twigs the fruits the flowers in the tree with the roots no so when I talk about learning to me learning is like roots so it's not necessarily growing newer roots it's about deepening and strengthening The Roots by proper what properly watering the roots by properly nourishing The Roots by properly making sure that they get the


Roots by properly making sure that they get the right kind of fertilizers so that they remain strong and so the older I grow in age the higher up I go in my presence in the world it's like a tree growing you grow in varieties of ways in life right it's just it's like a tree growing uh it's a very dangerous position it's a very dangerous position you mean people want to pull you down no people will do what they do it's a very dangerous position for you yourself if you don't work on the roots okay imagine going to the gym again again the example is gym and working out on your upper body because that's the part that's the body that's seen your pecs your biceps your triceps the short head the long head your abs your shoulders you know Your Collar all of these things are the things that are seen imagine working on the lower upper body and forgetting to work on the lower body which is not seen the more you work on what is seen and


seen the more you work on what is seen and neglect what is unseen what is seen is not sustainable because you if you don't work on this this is the lower body won't support the growth of the upper muscles right we'll have problems with your spine you'll have problems with your lower back okay so the more we grow in what is seen to the world there is a great need for us to grow in a space which is not seen by the world the roots in the example of the tree the lower body in the example of my fit my physique and my fitness so to me learning again coming back to that question is less about learning new and things and more about focusing on refining the things that are crucial and that matter to my sustenance and growth right and particularly for myself those things are number one is to be completely true to my own self and being authentic I don't care what the world is doing I don't care how the world speaks I don't care what the world


the world speaks I don't care what the world speaks I don't care what the world does right because I am not here to be the world I'm not here in this world to be somebody else I am here to be myself I have a purpose I have something that I can share with the world and my power my deepening of this Roots means how true how genuine and how authentic can I be to my own self a the second aspect of deepening that learning for me is humility right the most important aspect people who grow in their lives their hard work is not extra like coming for a podcast going on a stage with a million people standing out there big deal you know it's like an everyday affair it's an everyday Affair you sit you come you start talking what's the big deal to me that's not a big deal at all the external work is no work at all to me the real work is internal right internal because when you are successful it gets into your head and when you're


are successful it gets into your head and when you're not successful against your heart all right success makes you arrogant and failure makes you depressed so to be able to be grounded to be able to practice humility in knowing that hey wait a minute I think I'm not the one who's doing it [Music] um I'm not the one who's doing it I'm a channel I'm an instrument right and trust me a zillion times over I feel that every single day of my life it's not the it's I'm not the one who's doing I'm an insta I do my bit I definitely do my bit but it's not me the one who's doing it you know it's like a pencil in the hands of an artist a pencil may be the best pencil with the best lid but is the artist who uses the pencil as an instrument to make a beautiful sketch or write a beautiful poem or make a beautiful plan you know so I think that's the second thing for me you're just saying you're


the second thing for me you're just saying you're the pencil not the artist I'm not the artist I'm not the artist I'm just trying to be a good pencil I'm just trying to be a good pencil I'm trying to make sure that I offer the least resistance to the artist I'm just trying to be a good medium a good instrument in a way that things can be brought because this I'll tell you as limited human beings this only this much we can do to change people's lives but when you're rinsed when we are instruments in the hands of in something Way Beyond us we are we are we are tuning into infinite grace it's infinite grace that touches life not my tiny puny Endeavors yeah you know what I mean yeah so I think it's just this that I constantly remind myself that watering of the roots and deepening my roots that I'm talking about yeah uh I when I talk about deepening those roots my learning I very strongly feel that I need more


my learning I very strongly feel that I need more people what do you mean I need more close friends because you know and and I need them it's not that I need to make new friendship I already have good friends and those friends of mine are friends with not my change times and good time they're friends with me um people who are friends with my good times are not there when my good time change to bad times people who are my good friends and like they say you know in prosperity uh your friends know you and an adversity you know your friends wow hmm you know what I mean so it is uh in those genuine friendships people whom are closely known for the last three decades uh I feel so nourished so protected so genuinely and deeply connected the world when I go out in the world I love they love the people who come there and I love the people who follow what we do they're all always in a mode of admiration and adoration fan moments imagine that every


admiration and adoration fan moments imagine that every single day I walk out I step out of everywhere I mean it's strange guys come but girls come young beautiful girls like all the guys will be so envious of me trust me wow look at this guy yesterday arukhan was with me and I was telling him there's this girl who said something for me she sends all these flowers and stuff every week I was telling him we should coin a coin a term called monk Crush why do you why do you think that is you know you're saying it as a joke but I won't be surprised if there's an actual Crush no I mean because see the obvious thought is this is a brahmachari like there's no scope of a relationship but I wouldn't be surprised if someone actually is romantically into exactly I wouldn't just reciprocate yeah but for somebody else to think like that what's the big deal right so my point what I'm trying to say is every single day


point what I'm trying to say is every single day I step out there'll be girls will come out at least every day I get at least three girls crying minimum if I step out of my room oh my God I can't believe [Music] and that's so genuine I'm not making fun of it yeah no they're so genuine because it's touched their lives so they're really honestly genuinely expressing their gratitude yeah what I'm trying to say is that space is a space of admiration that space is a space of adoration that space is not a space of being ordinary um I need to be have a space where I can just I'm I'm ordinary at all times yeah but when I'm just out there people might make me feel that I'm extraordinary thankfully by God's grace I don't feel like that at the moment but people can make you feel like that when you're in a space where you're just another person that's the third thing for me my learning my relationship my friendships with people where


me my learning my relationship my friendships with people where I'm just another ordinary person you put me on like so many tangents in a good way conversation yeah that's what I'm doing um okay a couple of questions I've noticed that people of all faiths as they hit their 30s they turn back to the faith that the parents followed even more you know I have a lot of friends who are like 35 40 and I relate more with them maybe because God has been kind enough to give me big responsibilities early in life right so I've been forced to grow up and now I mentally connect a lot more like 40 year olds and everyone's turning back to spiritual uh thought their own religion which then leads them to spiritual thought right um is it because you've seen enough suffering by the time you're 35 or 40 I know I'm bringing up suffering again but is it because you've seen Life by 35 40 that you turn to this and in asking you this I want to ask you why some


asking you this I want to ask you why some people turn to it in the early 20s is it because the soul has had a quicker Journey sure yeah the first question about why is that in their late 30s or early 40s probably people turned back to their own faith and explore spirituality later through their own faith or religion is it because of pain or suffering that they've seen life enough they've definitely seen life no doubt they've definitely seen life and they know what the world is like in a certain way uh especially when you achieve and when you kind of if my it might allow me to use that phrase seen it all and done it all kind of in the world people start looking for something much more deeper than what they are doing at that point in time in their lives because they realize that the answers are not presents are not in what they are doing in the money and fame the answers are not in the money the answers are not in the alcohol the answers are


the answers are not in the alcohol the answers are not in the substance the answers are not in the sex right all of these people get to know that a very deep and these may be a part of life for many people and I'm not against a foreign nothing any of those things I'm just saying that at a certain stage in your life you realize that these may be a part of life this may even be necessary for many people in their lives but but a deeper sense of fulfillment won't come from any of these money is a crucial part of life a very important part of life right and you can't not have money you can't not work for money you can't not hustle for money you would do that but at a certain stage you're like this is book written by Daniel pinkel drive right and in his book drive the very title Drive is very interesting because the drive means what drives people in their life and the whole hypothesis is that once a person reaches a certain stage


is that once a person reaches a certain stage of Financial Security money stops driving them they don't work just for money they want a deeper sense of fulfillment which then comes from purpose at a certain stage it was just money money he had more money more money more money I want more you know that's what's driving them but the drive changes after certain status after a certain stage when you reach a certain Financial Security your drive changes you say no this cannot fulfill me any longer not that I won't strive for it not that I won't look for more I'll probably hustle and work hard to get more but I know there's more than this that's needed to fulfill me you know what I mean so a lot of these people do come to this conclusion that there are these things don't seem to the answer to fulfill my soul what can fulfill my soul a purpose for sure will make me very deeply satisfied very deep within there is satisfaction there's a fulfillment there's a


there is satisfaction there's a fulfillment there's a kind of contentment that you get very deep within because of living by purpose the second is obviously spirituality right and you could call them both synonymously or you could just distinguish the two one from the other uh why would people go back to their faith then their particular faith that they followed why wouldn't they explore something else in the world why is it that they are only turning to the thing that they were brought up with it's like this again my take on it sure that when you are on an airplane the cabin crew members will make safety announcements and one of the announcements they make is about the emergency landing and they'll tell you that the emergency jacket is under the seat you know or if you're in business class has been in between the two seats or somewhere about the panel about somewhere they'll make announcements about it now a person who's a frequent flyer who's flown probably about 25 000 times as up until now probably


probably about 25 000 times as up until now probably doesn't even pay any attention to those announcements in fact if the cabin crew is only if they can make this so it's all CIS like fed into their minds so much so at the same time everything that is being said all the announcements that are being made have gone into that person's system psyche unconsciously unconsciously hasn't heard them or she has a certain call they haven't heard them consciously gone unconsciously and all of them has gone and been stored in his or her psyche what in Sanskrit is called a samskar which is an emotional tendency that's one way of looking at it samskar is also an imprint okay yes it is an imprint it's like um you know in a game you're obviously made up full of software and code so it's something like that it's the code behind your emotions no that's what that's what I'm saying it's one way of looking at it okay the other way of looking at it


at it okay the other way of looking at it is up I'll say it in Hindi imprint okay you know it's an imprint theme of looking at your own life yeah if I look at a certain kind of movie certain kind of content that is creating a certain kind of samskar on my mind it's like taking a picture on your phone the image is being imprinted on yourself in the memory so all what I hear see is creating that Sam's current is getting stored in my psyche you know what I mean so when a person on the plane is listening to the stuff you see this the announcements all of this is going inside and unknown to that individual it's there it's just there now he's sitting or she's sitting in the plane watching a movie it's this 360 second flight of this year right 360 second Flight of the 365 days yo that's how much he or she travels and in the 360 second flight 2022 an emergency landing is announced what do you think the person will do the


announced what do you think the person will do the first thing he or she will do is go to place below the seat to pull out the check didn't even know didn't even pay attention just unconsciously so much has been going in when the time comes the hand goes to pull the jacket out right similarly when we grow up there's samskar has created imprints created on us the way we grow up we see our parents we see our neighbors we see our families we see our we see our places of worship based on our particular faith we see the the leaders who represent that faith and this samskaras and imprints that are created in our subconscious right now a lot of times those those Impressions those impressions are just hidden there and they get covered over by my romantic dealings they get covered over why am I hustling for money they get covered over for my competitive streak they get covered over by my insecurities for somebody they get covered over by my frustrations and depression they get


covered over by my frustrations and depression they get covered oh why am I heartbreaks and divorces there's so much happening in life that it's just getting covered over and then as life settles a little bit 35 40ish things are starting to fall in place it's like that emergency landing announcement happening what do you do hey jacket is right here pull it up oh I saw my mom doing that oh I saw my dad doing this oh my uncle used to do this and I saw my uncle you know he used to do this in the temple Guru I used to do this in the mosque is do this in the church you should do this in the data studies to do this in the synagogue I know he used to do that and I saw that man to be a real nice person So Satisfied could that be the reason I need to look at that you know what I mean so unknown to the individual what he or she has gone through in their upbringing is create that


she has gone through in their upbringing is create that samskara which is right there and he or she doesn't need to explore that side but it's but natural that because it's gone in they will probably look at that side and find their answers to either explore that side or find out another way that inspires them eventually yeah it's just that if you find it earlier in life you'll sail through life slightly more easily 100 and you know what the one thing I've realized maybe from my own experience and from the experience of the other younger spiritual Seekers around me is that you also given the material gives much more easily when you chase this yeah because this is the real Chase of course and everything follows you when you chase this of course of course put some Consciousness on the material stuff but not all of it yeah in fact put the major power behind your spiritual Chase yeah I kind of I don't know now whether that's my own fiction that I've created for myself but


my own fiction that I've created for myself but I justify um my own spiritual journey to the world through this in terms of I want to be that example because I've got this platform right to actually change the spiritual stuff correct and then have the world witness that the material stuff is teasing me right but I'm trying to tell the world that this is what matters right right um do you think that's a fair life purpose because that's what I've been trying to find lately on a very personal level I strongly feel there's a part of me that would like to give up all the material Jesus and just focus on this uh but also I'm not done there are some material goals left in my life right I've not reached the stage you've reached have I maybe laughter in the podcast I think I think let's go back to the Gita okay again okay [Music] one of the biggest problems the world has today is that people who are spiritually inclined people who are spiritually uh connected people who


inclined people who are spiritually uh connected people who are spiritually disposed come on are the ones who think that well I just need to now quit I just need to be deeply satisfied with my spiritual connection [Music] a very frequent term thrown amongst spiritual circles in the country Maya Maya that which will distract you from your life's purpose Maya that will that which will pollute that which will corrupt your mind and your intelligence my because your pure goal is your spiritual achievement yeah spiritual attainment yeah I mean we're talking about life's purpose here right yeah okay yeah so that's like a term that's thrown very often in spiritual discussions Maya in the Christian World Satan right probably like um distract you from all of this so man just be satisfied don't hustle don't rush after these things yeah chances are that you might probably just get completely distracted and off track from your mainstream spiritual goal that you have now I strongly beg to differ from this kind of an ideology


beg to differ from this kind of an ideology or this kind of a theory because like I said I personally am a very devout student of the Gita and to me that seems to be like The Benchmark for what how life should be led if you look at the Mahabharata and the Gita you will very carefully observe and say that in the first chapter of the Gita Arjun was wanting to leave the battlefield and run away but probably weakness of his heart that he was seeing his grandfather and his kitten there standing against him and you probably have to kill them that's one reason and Krishna he inspired Arjuna to fight the battle not to quit not to run away not to give up so seems like the Gita and the spirituality of the Gita is telling you be there like krsna's telling origin you be there you fight I'm with you I'm with you you fight the reason being if good people with good values with a very high level of character and integrity with deep


a very high level of character and integrity with deep spiritual purpose and connection if such people are of fear of getting distracted and out of wanting to be deeply spiritually satisfied leave the material Hustle the resources are going to go in the hands of those who don't have that Integrity those who don't have that character those who don't have that spiritual connection and when the resources and power are in the hands of those people the world doesn't benefit so you look at the pandas and the cover-ups so if if Arjuna and the pandas were very satisfied just going begging living by whatever little Frugal things they found and they were used to it they're very spiritually evolved individuals so in the forest they were 13 years they lived eating herbs and roots and fruits they could have done that the rest of their lives they were wearing tree bark and nothing no opulence at all they could have done that spiritually very evolved and Krishna made them take a complete Flipside to their life


made them take a complete Flipside to their life after the 13 years no you should fight you should get the throne you should sit on the throne because when guys like you said with the highest integrity and spirituality the resources the power are utilized rightly so therefore those who have a strong spiritual inclination spiritual connection shouldn't stop their material Hustle they should be careful about their material as well you should be very careful to remain focused on their spiritual practice you should be very careful to be focused on how they shouldn't get distracted and carried away by what's going on in fact they should be very careful to make sure that what they are doing in the material realm or the material plane is has a strong sense of purpose then there is no material of spiritual when purpose is connected a parent material is also spiritual we always say spiritual and material but once you have a strong purpose and a deep spiritual connection there's no material in spiritual it's all spiritual then even that doesn't


spiritual it's all spiritual then even that doesn't distract you you know what I mean and that's exactly what the bhagavad-gita is about and to me that symbolizes the Zenith of spirituality and yes there will be a time in each one of our Lives when we will say now the hustling spiritual side which we would earlier call material I'm enough now I'm done now I just want to go deeply within my own self and connect with my own self and then live a life like that that's probably at a [ __ ] of Our Lives a couple of years decades down the line right then it's Justified too it's Justified for you to do that now now if you constantly in the hustle at that age that's something that probably you would look at that no now I want to now retire I want to take it easy pass the legacy on to those who can now take the beaten in their hands and do this and I should now be exclusively focusing on my


and I should now be exclusively focusing on my spiritual connection but until then be in the grind until then keep going that's what Arjun did that's what you this year did and there came a time when they realized that now it's time they're tired this came off their Thrones they handed over the throne to their grandson parikshit and left left for the forest retired with the exclusive Focus now of Moksha liberation freedom from all material hassles which was also spiritual because their purpose was spiritual but freedom from any of those uh inabilities in from any of those responsibilities that I think is all right but up until a certain stage I feel we have to keep going because when good people have the resources the power and the platform good things happen in the world the narratives change if good people retire and they take a backseat saying spirituality narratives are going to be what the world you know you know what kind of narratives have happened in the world yeah basically


narratives have happened in the world yeah basically it's once again that lesson about being the pencil and not the artist yeah understanding of the environment you're placed in but also being a pencil of the artist correct okay of course and by the environment you're placing I mean the situations you put in growing up as well because that dictates so much of your thoughts now of course okay as you're going forward in your own journey and here I'm just talking to you sir okay just you as the human being as well right is your meditation getting deeper is your spiritual journey getting deeper are you having deeper experiences during your meditations that's all that's the question yeah the one thing that I always say is nothing happens with time nothing ever changes and deepens just with time everything that you want in your life you have to make it happen good relationships don't happen you have to make them happen happiness doesn't happen you have to make it happen success doesn't happen you have


to make it happen success doesn't happen you have to make it happen depth in your meditation depth in your spirituality doesn't just happen you have to make it happen and when we say make it happen it's always work in progress what is depth in your meditation this is something I wouldn't have understood when I began my meditation now I understand but I'd love for you to explain it in your own way to the listeners there is a concept of depth in meditation or prayer yes depth and meditation I look at it in many different ways okay one way is depth in meditation doesn't mean that my mind doesn't deviate when I meditate depth in my meditation means how much can I pull my mind back to get back in that to me is depth how easily and often how easily and often can I pull it back to come back in that's depth to me because in meditation you're either focusing on breath or a mantra or a chance yes that's your point of focus your


a chance yes that's your point of focus your brain will run away pull it back how much do you get back in again is depth that's the bicep curl of your brain that's the bicycle of your brain of your mind the second aspect of depth in my meditation to me is entering into a very Sacred Space in your head in my hot head in my internal space I would rather call it entering into a very Sacred Space internally a Sacred Space which is which is aloof to everything that's happening in the outside world to me there's so much that's happening there's ups and downs and successes and failures and love and hate and honor and dishonor and so much is going on in the outside world to enter into that Sacred Space means to be aloof from that so the more I get to do that even if it's for a Split Second remember ranveer that Split Second of entering into that Sacred Space is like thousands of years of being there here a split second is


of years of being there here a split second is a split second in that space a split second is a generation is a century is a millennium the spiritual space right even that little moment of entering into that space where I'm just completely away from everything that's going on around me in my life to me is depth right the third thing of depth in my meditation to me is because I practice bhakti yoga and obviously for me Krishna is my focus of meditation Krishna is my focus of connection to me entering into that Sacred Space means how am I making my relationship with the object of my meditation stronger like when you focus on your breath when breath is the object of your meditation there's no relationship when a light is the focus of your meditation that no there's no relationship but when this person is your object of meditation there's a relationship so for me entering into that Sacred Space means how am I strengthening my relationship with the object my meditation and strengthening that relationship


with the object my meditation and strengthening that relationship means that I'm willing to make the required adjustments and compromises to make that relationship deeper it's like any other relationship if a guy is in relationship with a girl right both sides have to make certain adjustments to make the relationship very deep right so entering in that Sacred Space getting into that depth is how can I make those required adjustments in my lifestyle and my work and whatever I do to make that relationship stronger so there is a I had said this the last time I've remembered this month this part I do remember from the podcast we did last time I recollect saying this that to me meditation is not just that one one and a half hour that I said to me meditation is my 24 hours of my living my life and my day because the way I deal with things in the 22 hours is the two hours how my meditation will be you know you know lots of people use this exact phrase as an excuse to not


people use this exact phrase as an excuse to not focus on the two hours no that's that's not what I mean but I do know that without living those 22 hours right this two hours are not going to be in place yeah right and if I direct if I am right in those two hours my 22 hours are all it's a loop yeah it's a loop the 22 hours feed into the two and the two hours feed into the 2012. it's like a cyclical Loop and the more we consciously enough and an awareness live like that I think we do get deeper into our states of meditation have you noticed you need lesser sleep because of this process I mean I'll be honest I have barely slept over the last several like what from 26 years now in the ashram in the morning Street 27. and I usually sleep for anywhere between three and a half four hours four and a half hours uh I don't think meditation meditation sleeper connected undoubtedly you can feel refreshed even in a


connected undoubtedly you can feel refreshed even in a shorter span of sleep because it's deeper uh I also know that because I travel a lot there's a lot of physical stress the body is handling a body is a machine your mind is a machine and I do feel that we all need requisite amount of sleep in terms of the number of hours as well for the body to recuperate the bird the Mind might probably be fine you know you can function normally but there's a certain stress that the body is holding correct and uh do meditation and that state are connected I still do recommend that we should not kind of say that because I meditate I can do with less number of hours of sleep that's not probably the best way to do it though it could happen like that and it does happen like that right but I do feel it's worthwhile to give the body what it needs so that the mind is strong and in fact when the body in the mind are rested entering in that Sacred Space becomes


are rested entering in that Sacred Space becomes so much easier visually when your mind and body are not rested you're just struggling to keep your mind there you probably go to sleep in the middle of your head and go to sleep yes absolutely I think here's also where we need to highlight depth of meditation again the deeper it goes the more the rest you feel during the meditation yes 100 and therefore the Lesser your sleep quota becomes but then how do you explain depth of meditation to people who are studying sleep as a science correct until they experience it themselves right and until the West decides to experiment upon people like yourself and actually test your brains while you're sleeping while you're melting yeah I think they did do that there was who was it I can't remember recently I read an article about one a monk from one of the monasteries Buddhist monk from one Monastery in Nepal if I'm not wrong he came when scientists you know uh connected all kinds of


when scientists you know uh connected all kinds of equipment and instruments to his brain to measure and get metrics on the state of his mind and the state of how his brain functions in terms of all the alpha beta gamma waves and uh and he the all he had to do is get into that deep state of meditation and they did have a lot of data to prove that what you would get to 10 hours of sleep in 20 minutes or 15 minutes meditation gives them the same thing so there is data but it's not enough to today to be able to say that okay this is how it works um I'm gonna share our learning of the last three years weren't easy for me uh many UPS many painful Downs um and I always assume that my spiritualism and my meditation had all the answers it didn't have all the answers it had all the strength but the answers came to me through therapy is modern day psychology and modern day clinical therapy something you think about as a monk not for yourself but


think about as a monk not for yourself but I feel it does have a place in the modern day world and these two together like your spiritual journey along with like modern day therapy can really can really lead you to very intense levels of mental strength going forward 100 uh it's it's in it's the same thing as though yoga is great for your body and though weight training is great for your body sometimes you need medication 100 not all the time but you definitely need medication sometimes uh I feel we don't talk about therapy and psychology enough as a medicine like tool for the Mind and Spirit correct that's why so many people my age are actually open to it right but people in their 40s my parents generation the 50s and 60s some of them even laugh upon it and get scared when you say things like I'm going for therapy like when I'm telling people my eyes they're like oh cool when I tell someone who's older they're like are you crazy yeah like don't go I'm just


are you crazy yeah like don't go I'm just like hold on yeah I think you need to go a little bit but uh you know what what's this role of like therapy related to yeah yeah yeah I think I think it's like this uh you this varieties of level to stay fit like you rightly alluded to in your question uh you could do weight training or yoga and uh probably whatever other form of exercise and there'll be times when your body is not fit and you have you actually feel ill right you have a fever a high fever yoga and weight training doesn't deal with that fever you might have gone to a nutritionist and got the best kind of nutrition to build your immunity and you did that you had your weight training or yoga routine your nutrition in place you have your sleep in place the three main things we talk about we talk about Fitness Nutrition exercise rest all right all three things are in place yet you do feel you feel feel and fall ill you get a malaria you could


feel and fall ill you get a malaria you could get a typhoid you could get a pneumonia not just because I do weight trading or I rest well or I have the best nutrition that I eat I can't say that's going to treat my malaria or my pneumonia I'm going to have to visit a doctor get a diagnosis done what is the cause of my fever what's the Cortisone and nausea what's the cause of my headaches what's the cause of my throwing up right what's the cause of my fatigue and my body ache and then the doctor gives me a prescription I take those medications which are going to ultimately complement my weight training my nutrition and my rest ultimately if I don't and this crazy idea thinking that these can help me just deal with my illness no it won't I need medicine not use the same analogy or the same principle for mental health right you can have spirituality you can have uh reading the right books and watching the right


have uh reading the right books and watching the right content or self-help you can have uh uh you know boosting your boosting your inner spirits and your motivation by the right mentorship and guidance from people but there are times when we hit rock bottom it's like getting a malaria it's like getting a pneumonia it's like getting typhoid it's like you get it you can't say oh I'm doing yoga I can't get covered how that how does that work you can say oh I'm I have mentored I'm spiritual so I can't have a mental health problem bloody [ __ ] doesn't work like that you know I can be the most deeply spiritually connected person and yet have a mental health issue they're different from each other spiritually evolved person doesn't mean they won't have a mental health issue in as much as a spiritually evolved person doesn't mean they won't get covered right covert is a disease of the body you know mental health issue is the issue of the mind and both the