he left and then all the koreans were crying and they were trying to touch me because apparently he doesn't bless that many people i had no idea he's like one of the top 15 spiritual leaders in the world so i was like i didn't know what was going on and and i went about my way now fast forward about a year year and a half and i'm still struggling renvier like i am such an empathetic person and i'm such a um sentimental person that i hold a lot inside like i i just feel a lot of emotion a lot you know and so i was still struggling and i remember going to my yoga class and having a vision of this guy and he's like everything i'm doing he's doing it in front of me and i'm like shaking my head going this guy's not even here i don't know i'm having such a strong vision next morning my phone's ringing ringing ringing i don't recognize a number so i i don't answer it i wake up


number so i i don't answer it i wake up around 8 8 30 and i have all these text messages shall any urgent please call wake up your destiny's calling urgent please call shalani so i call this number and it's a woman in sedona arizona which revere you have to go to sedona it's magic it's the most incredible energy you will ever feel has the most vortexes in the world which is that tornadic energy under the ground so the trees that are on that vortex grow twisted but the trees right next to it'll be completely straight it's amazing and it's absolutely beautiful please look it up it's gorgeous so she calls me she goes uh you know uh master came to our house at 4 30 he said he tapped into your energy was coming at the speed of light but you didn't have enough energy to support it he needs to see you today so i'm thinking it's la again so i'm like absolutely when she goes now i'm like okay where she goes sedona


now i'm like okay where she goes sedona i'm like oh i can't come to sedona today it means i have to take a flight and i've got meetings i have a birthday party tonight she's like don't be an idiot like this guy's willing to take responsibility for your emotional well-being your physical well-being you know you she's like you're crazy so i called tony and he was uh driving i said i have to go to sedona he's like great book a flight go and i'm like i don't want to go by myself he's like i'm not going with you he goes you have the craziest stuff happened to you he goes you know i don't know what's going on with the spiritual side of yours but it's crazy and i'm like no no i go we have to drive and he's like no he goes it's it's 11 10 11 hours of driving because we can't drive i'm like i feel compelled to drive i we have to drive


i feel compelled to drive i we have to drive i'll arrange everything we have two cute little doggies so i'm like i'll make sure somebody watches the dogs i'll pack a bag for you like as soon as you get home we're just gonna get in the car and drive and he goes do you know where we're going i'm like they gave me an address he goes do you know what it is i'm like no let's just blind faith go so we did we got in the car we started our 10 hour drive no idea what was ahead of us and on the way there we saw the most incredible beautiful clouds and colors in the sky and then out of nowhere it just turned into this magnificent lightning storm like sideways lightning multiple bolts and i hadn't seen anything like that since my childhood in kenya so i'm like oh my god this is so beautiful so i took my phone which was plugged into the car and i was shooting video and then our car got


and i was shooting video and then our car got struck by lightning and because my phone was plugged in to the car i just started to feel this like uh the only way i can describe it is like somebody was injecting my body with hot fire acid it just started to crawl down my left side and meanwhile my husband's pulled over people are pulling over to make sure we're okay this side of my face is like paralyzed you know it's like drooping can't feel my hands and feet everyone's like you have to go to the hospital shalini you know let's call an ambulance and i'm like nope we have to we have to get to sedona we have three more hours like if i feel horri and you know and i was like nauseous i felt horrible but i just was like we need to get to this place so we drove and when we arrived the korean master looked at me and he said do you know why i called you here with his translator and i said


i called you here with his translator and i said yes to charge my energy and i started laughing because i had literally just been charged and he's like yes that was for you that was for your brain everything you've gone through in your life you've done to yourself and you know exactly why and i'm like no no no there's no way i would go through a divorce there's no way i would build a beautiful brand to not have that brand there's no way there's no way there's no way and he just smiling and he goes no you did it to yourself and you know exactly why and i'm like i do not know why i'm and so he said here you know here are four things i need you to do the one that sticks in my head every single day is positive mind equals positive life that no matter what's going on in your life you have the ability to recreate a new story and change and that will shift your energy right he said the fifth thing is your homework


right he said the fifth thing is your homework you'll know at the end of the weekend and he looked at tony and he said tony i want you to take her to this mountain and you need to hike to this mountain after sunset and before sunrise and he says shalini at the end of the weekend you'll know exactly what you need to do and that was it i didn't see him again so we hiked to the mountain there was no rain nothing but the mountain that we were supposed to hike to there was a rainbow coming from the top of it so we were like okay that's random and then it was starting to get dark so i don't hike and then i don't hike at night so there was like you know what i thought were big black birds which were bats you know there was all kinds of noise i was getting very scared and i almost passed out at one point because the vortex energy was too much for me i was just like i don't


too much for me i was just like i don't know what was going on i mean and tony was looking at me going i don't know what is going on with you like are you okay like i don't know and so we get to the base of the mountain and tony looks at me and he's like i have to go i'm like well i'm like where where do you have to go like we've never been here before and you can't leave me because like what if there's a coyote or a mountain lion like i am so stressed out you know where it's dark and i don't like this and he's like i'm sorry i have to go so he leaves he ends up seeing his father who had passed away three years prior and has an entire conversation with his dad finds a wedding ring on the mountain random i'm sitting there renvier and i'm like oh my god i'm so scared i don't like it i don't like it i'm just staring at this mountain and


like it i'm just staring at this mountain and i'm like okay i'm here like that i get a message and to this day i have no idea who it was i don't know if it was god i don't know if it was my soul i don't know if it was a mountain i don't know if it was a korean master but it was a man's voice and it had taken me from my journey from being born to that day and why i had experienced everything i had experienced and it rocked me so hard that i just cried for like hours and hours and hours because it was so much truth and i'm sorry i'm getting emotional but it was that much truth that came to me and i was like oh my god you know this is why this is why i've lived my life this way um this is ridiculous so anyways after having a good cry for which by the way now just side note when i do um retreats in sedona and i bring 40 to 60 women


in sedona and i bring 40 to 60 women they spend the first two days crying so whatever the energy is there it's to purge like everything that you're keeping inside so then the next morning we go for another our sunrise hike and this time the woman who had called me goes comes with us and she goes um you know master wanted me to come with you he wanted me to show you these mountains showing me them but my head keeps getting pulled this way and i said i'm so sorry is it okay if i turn around and she goes she goes you have to listen to everything that's going on just turn around so i turn around there's another mountain so the first mountain's bell rock very spiritual mountain turned out it's a masculine mountain so that's why i heard a man's voice when i turned around and saw courthouse butte i got a woman's voice and it's the female mountain i didn't know that till years later i'm like oh how interesting and the


years later i'm like oh how interesting and the message was everything that was coming from that day forward and how strong i needed to be and how i needed to be able to navigate through the narrows of life just like her trails were narrow it was a very interesting message i got and it just came to me immediately i'm like you know what i know exactly what i need to do i need to empower women on a much deeper level than lipstick and mascara like lipstick and mascara is great but why aren't women supporting each other why do they tear each other down they're worse to each other than men are to them you know so i want to create a platform called power beauty living where you get to power up your business mentorship for women by women you get to power up your beauty so you've got unmatched confidence for unmatched leverage and you get to power up your life with 30 minutes of all these amazing modalities so that makes you of its warrior mentality so i


that makes you of its warrior mentality so i was so excited i wanted to tell this guru i figured it out i know what i need to do but he'd done his job he came in and then he disappeared so i went home to la and i'm like i'm gonna throw a little party i thought maybe 20 of my friends would come 175 women showed up eight women got jobs within a year the united nations contacted me and had me speak on the floor of the un and launch it globally to 350 country heads diplomats and ceos so i knew at that point this was part of my journey this was the next path and then i got people were like let's get you back into beauty so i launched my next brand called passport to beauty where it was based on my book and i was traveling the world shooting all these amazing beauty secrets and then going into a lab and taking those secrets marrying them with modern day technology and bringing them to your doorstep


with modern day technology and bringing them to your doorstep then i started getting calls from like paramount saying hey the baywatch movies coming out we want you to create the entire brand uh turner classic movies we have a library of thousands of movies can you create brands around them so i started creating brands for a lot of companies and then out of nowhere in 2017 i found out i was receiving the mahatma gandhi award so i flew to london it was at the british house of lords it was a incredible life experience that's all i'm gonna say it just we didn't even know if it was real red mirror like we were on the plane and teddy's like is this for real and i'm like i don't know either way either way we'll have a good kebab in london and we'll have some good tea you know but we flew there and you know it was an incredible event and i was very honored to receive the mahatma gandhi award from my work in women empowerment


gandhi award from my work in women empowerment and beauty and then i happened to come to you i got a shawnee i gotta dial you i gotta dial you back so okay like the way i look at it your life is i won't say going smoothly but it was going well then you had like sort of you know a low moment which is where you discovered your spirituality but it seems to me like this experience you had on the mountain of that voice speaking to you that was the big turning point for you so um like i mean if you i know don't don't share what the words were exactly but what was the gist of it like what did it give you how did it change you into the next version of you so one i was raised by an exceptionally trusting father everything's in good faith when you promise somebody something it's your word it served me well as a human being it was the horrible horrible advice in business you know what i mean because not


advice in business you know what i mean because not everybody has that you know value system um but i think from being bullied so much you know it really put me into a lot of depression as a teenager um a young adult um and then also being really misunderstood for being between two cultures having very strict parents um i was kind of reckless like i didn't put a lot of care and thought i just was like we'll go and see what happens and it's all going to be fine because i'm supposed to trust everybody you know and that i lived very recklessly in that aspect of just not having a filter to know that maybe not everyone's on the same wavelength um and also that i did do need to do i did need to do my diligence i did need to do a little bit of research and not take everybody at face value and what they were saying and so that made me realize that you know at what point do you start really caring about yourself and it's


do you start really caring about yourself and it's and it's not a selfish thing like i was taught that if you put yourself first it's very selfish you know as a as an indian girl if you if you have an opinion and you raise your voice and you rock the boat that is absolutely unacceptable you are not supposed to have an opinion you are not supposed to speak up you are not supposed to rock the boat so i didn't even when i went through what i went through with my first company i mean now i look back i should tell that guy to take a hike to be honest and i apologize for my language but you know i was still very much in that you know that's not how i was raised and that did not serve me well and so a lot of that was revealed to me in that you know message i got that look this is this is not serving you living this way and and by the way we got you you know from a


by the way we got you you know from a spiritual level like just go you're fine we're we're here to help you and so that did make me a little bit more i feel like it was a loss of innocence maybe i that's why i cried so hard it was a massive loss of innocence of realizing oh wait this bubble i've lived in thinking it's supposed to be this way is 100 not true and you know we do need to come together and support each other sincerely and i think that we can create like-minded groups of women that would do that and so that really kind of put me on this path of being really concerned about what other women were going through and making sure that they didn't have to kind of go through what i went through and that's really once i launched the women's platform i was starting to take 40 to 60 women a lot of you know media executives women who were running these big studios in hollywood very uptight stressed out women they


in hollywood very uptight stressed out women they would get to sedona to these retreat grounds and they'd be like when's dinner what's going on you know like just relax and then like they come on friday by saturday they'd spend the entire day crying i don't know why i can't stop crying shall any i don't know why i can't stop crying and you know there were all these beautiful vortexes on this property some of the vortexes are even like naturally shaped into hearts i mean it's so beautiful there and you know what they say about sedona is sedona literally the vibration of sedona literally shakes the off of you that is not serving your highest purpose it shakes you to the core to where yeah you are going to probably cry and purge stuff that you've been holding on to your entire life but you're also going to have this massive reveal that's going to make you have a better understanding of self right and i think that's the most important thing


self right and i think that's the most important thing in your life is learning to understand yourself that's how you can serve other people better just by being there you just go there and like things start happening you spend time there i want to take you there i want to take you there ranvira because i know you'll be open to feeling that energy and there's different areas you know there's i think 31 vortexes in the world new zealand has a lot of them 21 of them are in sedona 11 of them are on this retreat ground it's magic it's so weird that you're saying this so i i did an interaction with satguru recently where we had to his his team requested me to send in a question and my question to him was what have you discovered about native american culture that indian spirituality can learn from it and his answer basically was runway good question but you need to visit these places to discover for yourself and then you're telling me the same thing and this


then you're telling me the same thing and this is what spirituality does to you you know your next few spiritual steps in life because of these incidents that happen to you yeah and it's like it is life and soul-changing i mean it affects you at a soul level it you know once that happened renvier like i knew i'm like i have no control or i have no say in my life i completely surrendered i'm like god you know what i can do really well use me now for how you want me to help this world just here i'm here i'm yours like i'm not even gonna try to control this i'm not and and and once i completely surrendered to that knowing that i was divinely protected that's when i get this award then i happened to come to india three months later i hadn't been to india in 10 years but it was my last cousin's wedding in punjab and i'm like i'm not missing this wedding in chandigarh


like i'm not missing this wedding in chandigarh i gotta go came to india government was waiting for me in delhi next thing i know the day i arrived you know these officials are you know pinning me with a beautiful gold map of india i have this gorgeous ganesh painting painted for me and the next thing i know i'm sitting down with the supreme court people from congress all these ministers of social empowerment and justice education transportation and me and they're like shalini we feel you've reached your full potential as an indian woman now please come help our girls help help them reach theirs so i said okay thank you left had a great wedding had a great time in india came home you know it was in my mind but i i didn't want to just go and do another oh let's find an ingredient make it fair trade or let's go put a village into you know work so i didn't really move on it and then you know six months later i get a


and then you know six months later i get a call from one of the government officials and he's like shalini we need you to come to london to the house of commons we're giving you one hour to talk about what you're gonna do for india so i was like okay they're serious and i'm kind of bored with beauty it's like all influencers putting their name on eyeshadow palettes like there's got to be more to beauty i know through my travels that beauty is so much more than skin-deep so how do we use beauty as a vehicle for global change and so i saw that amazon had now entered india they were putting a lot of investment in beauty going back all the way back to college when i wrote that business plan of taking a brand to india i'm like oh this is going to democratize beauty in india and then i just decided to call a lot of ngos i'm like if i'm going to come to india then let's shake up


going to come to india then let's shake up let's not just do something that everyone else is doing let's let's make some generational change let's really impact and every ngo i called this i kept getting the same story it didn't matter if i was calling somebody in calcutta didn't matter if i was calling somebody in odisha it didn't matter if i was calling somebody in delhi same story charlie these girls get to the age of 15 they have no access to education there's really a lack of vocational training they don't have a lot of opportunities for a good future so i flew to london and i decided to take everything i had learned in my career everything from beauty colors for indian skin empowerment my journey and i proposed that i would create a beauty brand called ready set jet so instead of me bringing the world to your doorstep it's for every wanderluster out there that wants to experience the world and we would scale the brand globally and also bring products to


would scale the brand globally and also bring products to india that you know these girls want they're looking at all the same social media i am but didn't have access to or was too expensive and then we would take part of the proceeds from those products and we would start going into some of these marginalized communities disenfranchised communities slums villages and we would skill train and vocationally train these girls how to become professional makeup artists how to become beauty content creators i mean you're a huge inspiration for so many people that want to be a content creator i mean you are amazing right think of how many people you're impacting on a daily basis you know so giving them the the tools the skills the learning and allowing them to be part of a global community so that allows them to kind of up class up you know mentally right it's important to have as much mental stimulation as you're having with your professional stimulation so i proposed it everybody loved it and then i


i proposed it everybody loved it and then i was like all right let me get busy so i started creating the brand and uh i was fortunate enough to meet baroness verma from the british parliament she's like a badass indian woman like she is so strong she's like you know i had to fight and i'm here and she's very philanthropic and so that time i had gone you know to speak i met with her and i said i would really like to have you be one of my advisors and help and she's like 100 so she came on and she goes why don't you change the funding story and just raise from women since you've had all this you know sexual harassment and all of this and i said you know that's not a bad idea so i came home and decided to do something super unconventional i threw a party at a crystal store because you know i love energy so i'm like nothing bad can happen here there's like 20 000 crystals in the store


here there's like 20 000 crystals in the store and we raised our first round of funding um from 90 women and i would i'll say that the majority of them are first-time investors so we somehow flipped the empowerment story at the top where these women were like this is the first most important thing i've ever done this is my first investment i'm so excited and they were the most excited about how they could impact the girls in india and so then i got to work and we started creating ready set jet and um you know here we are we just launched amazon india this last week and i'll show you the products and we're we launched during the pandemic so as you know when i met you it was i was in india earlier this year january and february came home we had secured so much distribution people loved the brand we got a lot of press people were so shocked they're like how did you know to bring products like nobody's ever done that i'm like that's


like nobody's ever done that i'm like that's because they underestimate you guys they don't understand how savvy indian women are you know they're smart they're beautiful they want to be their best self right so let's bring them the tools to live their best life no matter what socioeconomic class they're in you could be wealthy you still want to look and feel good you can be you know not wealthy you still want to look and feel good and then have an opportunity to live that life so came home locked down covered lockdown i'm like all right now what are we going to do so against the advice of some of my advisors they're like oh don't launch you're gonna just be buried you know no indie brands are gonna make it don't even try shall any just wait out the pandemic but you know there's a rebellious side to me which is why my dad sent me to india when i was 19. i'm like forget all of you we're gonna launch so so we


all of you we're gonna launch so so we launched i'm like you know what let's let's launch let's do a beta test let's learn what these women really want let's let's let them be a part of this brand and so we did in late june we decided let's just put it out there and it was incredible you know people were buying multiple products they loved the fact that you could do your entire face and just three products so we went from being very travel heavy to just makeup made easy super easy good for your skin vegan cruelty free every product whether it's skincare or makeup has skin care in it all anti-pollution anti-aging anti-inflammation brightening and just beautiful products um that took me about a year and a half to make with the chemist and then something interesting started happening i started getting a lot of girls from india reaching out to me on instagram shalini can we do an instagram live with you shalini kovitt has affected all of us shalini how can


kovitt has affected all of us shalini how can we go out there and get a job and i realized that it didn't matter if you were in a slum a village a tier three tier four city or if you were in delhi and you had you'd had a job everybody was facing the same situation of hey kovitz really affected our ability to work um what are we gonna do and so through that realization we realize that not everybody wants to be an entrepreneur but they want to be self-sufficient they want to be able to support themselves and maybe their families and and grow in their career so we decided to expand the impact and we created the ready set jet academy which is launching very soon where you can go take the courses online be certified as a makeup artist or a beauty content creator i'm actually going to have you renvier do something with us on content because you're like the master the master and then um we decided to go ahead and excuse me launch india


decided to go ahead and excuse me launch india so we just launched on amazon we launched amazon us and we're super excited in 2021 you know when some of this you know covet lifts to come to india and start really really empowering women with every tool they need we're getting it's like this tool kit for life right how are you going to be amazing professionally how do you have confidence to go out there and just do what you want to do how do you look and feel good and by the way we know you want to travel the world so you can ready set jet virtually through this academy and work with the top top experts in their field whether they're in barcelona or it's you know julia roberts and charlize theron celebrity makeup artist in budapest or it's you know um you know somebody in beverly hills on gratitude and mindset so we're bringing the top experts from all over the world that will be able to give you those experience self-learning


that will be able to give you those experience self-learning experientials alongside courses so you have a choice which way you want to learn and then it's a community so you have the ability to go in there and create your own tribes because i feel like creating tribe is very important you need that support system and finding like-minded people that understand where you are on your journey what your goals are and want to help you is game changing and so you'll be able to do all of that in the academy what's what's the truth about women that men fail to understand like you know what what do guys not get that if we had our own boys club we'd kick your butt i mean my husband tells us all the time they're like women have no we all the men know that if women banded together and created their own you know club the way boys have their own boys club you guys would kick our butt you know because you have the emotional intelligence you have the ability to multitask you you


intelligence you have the ability to multitask you you know there's so many things that women can do better than men no offense and it's just a matter of having them come together you know and creating support for each other and that's what's really missing and my goal and my desire is to change that where we're able to create communities that really support each other i mean you you and i are both spiritual right so we understand the world is abundant there is enough for every person in this world i mean you and i could have the exact same brand exact same products exact everything we're still gonna we're still going to attract our own customer and our own tribe based on the way we put it out there so there's enough for everybody and i think that this lack-based mentality creates fear and this unnecessary competition and you know and it's really kind of ruthless the women are ruthless with each other the way they compete and it's like it makes no sense you know it's like


like it makes no sense you know it's like you actually don't need to be that way and when you find the right group it is game changing 100 what do you think the next 10 years holds for like all the female entrepreneurs and the female workforce of the world do you think we're going to a better place well first of all i'm super excited about the next 10 years i mean now you've got female funds you've got you know all these resources for women online that never existed before you've got events when events in-person events come back where you know you can actually meet women from all over the world so i'm very optimistic that things are going in the right direction now if you look at what's happened this year in the us alone uh funding for women went it dropped significantly to two percent only two percent of female founded companies are funded in the united states one percent if you're a minority so i'm a minority here and so i have a one percent opportunity to get


and so i have a one percent opportunity to get funded which is one of the reasons that we're opening up the global crowd funding for ready set jet so anyone anywhere in the world can be an investor but i'm hoping it's going to be a lot of women so they also then become fiscally savvy have the ability to be an investor to be the part of the growth of you know something that they're interested in it's beauty you know um so that's a little disappointing that we've actually gone backwards it was at seven percent last year still not a big number considering that it's proven that female-founded companies perform better than male-founded companies um so it's a better return on investment so in that sense it's kind of like okay what's going on here but when you look at how much growth there's already been in the last five years alone for women and opportunities um it's just a matter of more strong thought leader women coming together to pave the way and i i think


together to pave the way and i i think it's going to be an amazing 10 years for women why do you think we see less of that though like why do you think there are lesser women you know who attempt these games and i mean i'm sure you see it changing but what's led to them being lesser women till this point i think women tend to be a little bit more conservative on risk you know uh risk is always a big factor right i i tend to be a little bit more risky i don't care you know i'm just going to go for it that's my personality not everybody has that personality you know like if i fall into punjabi speaking yeah if i fall i'll get up if i fall i'll get up you know like i'll fall 10 times and still get up 10 times so you know um i i just have that you know very strong personality but i think it's um how do you how do you show women that taking risks are okay and also how


show women that taking risks are okay and also how do you show women that failing is okay i mean there is something called failing up and it wasn't until i learned actually from a spiritual therapist believe it or not that when i was trying to understand like what was going on i'm like why why would this happen i don't understand you know and he was like well you you want to empower all these women like how are you going to do that if you've never experienced anything they've gone through because now you've gone through hell you have experienced loss you have experienced financial love you've experienced abuse you've experienced bullying you've experienced experience he goes now go now you can go and empower women because you can do it with the truth that you've been through it because before you lived in this safe little bubble how are you going to go out and empower them you have no idea what they're going through and he goes so you have to look at all these hardships and


so you have to look at all these hardships and failures as master teachers that have come into your life to just make you stronger and i was like oh my talk about an epiphany so then you don't get upset you're like you look at all these things with gratitude you're like thank you you know i wouldn't be where i am now had i not gone through that so that actually wasn't as horrific and horrible as i want to make it be in my pity party what was me i can't believe that happened now i'm like thank you i wouldn't be here had i not gone there you know so so i think for women it's going to be you know really having a shift in my um in mind and there's nothing more powerful than knowledge right so i believe knowledge is power that's why it's important for us to bring the experience of amazing thought leaders from all over the world to teach them skills to teach them tools to give them inspiration to give them a


them tools to give them inspiration to give them a community where they know they can do it too and we're here to support them it's scary and you know in india is one of the countries where you've got such a massively high education rate for women and it just drops you know how many women have master's degrees and then once they're married they they don't do anything you know they're home so you know there's a lot of work to be done from that aspect as well of you know just having the mental shift that it's okay for women to work it's okay it's okay for them to thrive you know uh this last trip two two of the women three of the women that have joined my team were doing exceptionally well in their jobs so so well all three of them had to quit one was running a team of 6 000 people but was getting so harassed by her bosses because she was a strong woman that she had to leave the other woman was doing something for the entire country of india


was doing something for the entire country of india life-changing things for the entire country because she was succeeding so much she was getting so harassed her family was afraid for her life she had to leave another woman who's joined our team was doing incredible work with marginalized communities and women in these marginalized communities was supposed to be paid for all her work she had done but the gentleman that she was working for was like yeah we're not paying you so had to leave you know so these you know these are women who are trying they are trying they're successful they're smart they're talented they're savvy they're kind they're good women that bring so much value to a company that you know you hear their stories and you're like this is kind of massive that because you were successful you're being punished for that so that renvier is why i wanted to come and be on your podcast so maybe we can start to shift that mentality that it only brings value to all of us we


that it only brings value to all of us we all rise when people rise right it's not a bad thing it's not a threat it's none of that it's for the goodness of all when we give women opportunities like this yeah and you know women it's also when you give women content like this like i feel like there isn't enough content like this on the internet and i'm not just saying that from my own personal selfish perspective though there's a bit of that but like uh i feel more of this stuff needs to be spoken about um honestly i got to know about this stuff because of meeting people like yourself because of meeting people like my co-founder jalak and all these amazing women around me who who kind of made me aware of these issues that you don't really consider when you grow up as a guy you know so um your reality i mean at this stage your reality is entirely different than our reality you know like you can go out there and voice your opinion no


you can go out there and voice your opinion no problem if we do it then you know we're making waves and that's just not acceptable yeah um i mean and i hope that if there's a girl listening to this podcast till this point i hope you share this one with like all your girlfriends all the guys you know as well uh content like this needs to reach out there especially in the indian urban centers because i feel like it trickles down then to the rest of the country through the urban centers final question of this podcast is um i know that you're a knowledge seeker um and i know that with the truest knowledge seekers you always have knowledge that you're seeking for a professional life which is one career of yours and then there's knowledge that you seek for your spiritual growth which i strongly feel like is the other career that every human being has to go through at some point if not in this birth then probably the next but um so from both those perspectives of knowledge seeking like


so from both those perspectives of knowledge seeking like one for your professional life and the second for your spiritual life what would be some daily habits or some knowledge sources that you would recommend you know on a very everyday level where would you direct people so professionally what's been the biggest surprise for me this year is that my my best networking and my best learning has come from twitter you wouldn't think that however it has been a game changer for me in being able to have direct access to best-in-class people so you know i think following people that you admire you know people that you aspire to be like people that can teach you a skill that you might not know you have access to even talking to them and there's been quite a few really well-known authorities in business and fundraising and whatnot that i have just direct message saying hey you know i saw your tweet i feel like you could actually give me some advice is it okay if i could you know spend 20 minutes talking to


i could you know spend 20 minutes talking to you i have not received one note i have had the opportunity to not only speak to these people but to develop relationships with them and you and i both know that the saying of it's not what you know it's who you know um well it is what you know so that's incorrect but it is also who you know i mean building network is so important so spending time every day to try to you know expand your network is very important with like-minded people no matter what you're doing if you're a teacher fine then find more teachers that you can connect with and and do that if it's in beauty then find other people in beauty that you can connect with if it's somebody that you want to just get to like seth guru find a way to get to them there's no barriers anymore with social media so that's very important continue to build your tribe i do that i had a situation actually recently um where i was like oh my


actually recently um where i was like oh my gosh i don't know what to do and my friends like reach out to your tribe so i have a group message with about 20 women that are all influencers amazing and i'm like hey can you guys help me with this i'm not kidding within 10 minutes every single one of them every single solitary one of them was like it's done shalini we took care of it and i'm like no no no i didn't i didn't need you to do that much for me i just made it and they did it you know so really finding ways to you know increase your tribe and expand it with like-minded people right you don't need to be friends with people just for the sake of being friends you really want to create people that are going to be your support group because that's going to you never know when that's going to come into play in your life um spiritually i love um discovering new things on youtube so my new favorite thing that i've been


on youtube so my new favorite thing that i've been obsessed with is brian scott so he takes a lot from you know these old masters like joseph murphy and neville goddard and you know which is all affirmative thought so i believe that you know how you shape your thoughts and your words is so important so instead of like god please please i need this i need this i need this i'm begging you moving it into affirmative thought of an affirmative prayer where you're like thank you so much for bringing this to me you know and so it's always you know discovering more masters in that area where i know has worked for me in the past and just spending you know whether you're meditating whether you're spending i'm really big on 30 minutes a day you owe it to yourself 30 minutes to do something that's going to expand your knowledge from a spiritual level personal level professional level so i like to spend my mornings with you know morning affirmations and you know doing my


you know morning affirmations and you know doing my tapping and you know making myself a priority and it took a long time renvier to understand that making myself a priority wasn't a bad thing we were taught that if you do that you're selfish oh god you're a horrible person you're so selfish and to break some of those limiting belief stories and and unlearn some of that learning has been a very um it's been a job in itself right and that's where that spiritual work really helps to kind of tear down all of those limiting beliefs that you may have been raised with that you know you realize aren't really serving you at all gorgeous thank you every time i speak to you i'm left feeling even more positive than i already am and i'm supposed to be one of the most positive dudes on the internet so that's something you are you are and i would love render um just to get the support from you know your amazing audience for what we're doing


you know your amazing audience for what we're doing with india we're so excited to come to india so you know if you're able to go on amazon you know ready set jet we've got these beauty batons you know pure pigment for indian skin and what's cool is you can actually um customize these so they all unwind so you can kind of build how you need um and we're bringing out foundations to match all skin tones in india so that's another conversation i want to change that you know it doesn't matter how light or dark you are you have the same you're equal you know so we've spent yes and i feel there's a strong purpose to your business which is uh i won't say rare in the modern day there are a lot of businesses doing that but uh it's it's definitely a very um it's a very important purpose in the current times that we're living in so everywhere globally hoping that the listener spread the word yeah absolutely and you know thank you for having me


yeah absolutely and you know thank you for having me on your podcast i it was no no it was a pleasure it was great to see you thank you for a conversation from one year ago as well uh you helped me a lot back then and i really appreciate this podcast as well like the kind kind of things you've shared people don't talk about get this kind of stuff on the internet so i know now and um hopefully i'll be in india soon once all this crazy coveted stuff dies down and i can come and visit you again in mumbai 100 beautiful thank you i will see you soon okay bye that was an extremely inspirational extremely interesting story i'm sure you feel the same way the first time i ever met shalini this is the story shared with me and i was blown away there's so much more that she stopped me there's so much more that i wish to share with you guys and very soon we will be creating a detailed mentorship series for young entrepreneurs along with


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so this was our second free-flowing conversation that we created with mr abhijit chaudhar who's an absolutely loved guest on the ranvi show this time we spoke about the world of science and if you're someone who says i never enjoyed science in school i never enjoyed maths in school therefore i'm not going to enjoy this podcast hold up that's what abhijit chaved us for that's what ranveer alaba is for alabadia alabadia is for we try taking subjects that would probably seem boring or would be introduced to you in the wrong way twist them around and show you the reality of how it applies to your life the reality of how it applies in the modern day and the reality of how these subjects apply to the future remember guys the 20s and 30s are going to be a very drastic two decades lots of stuff is going to change and change in human culture always begins with science that's what this particular episode is about so remember to watch this one


particular episode is about so remember to watch this one till the end listen to it till the end and of course check out all the other episodes we've created with abhijit chavda trs is a spotify exclusive now which means that every episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world if you're someone who enjoys science if you're someone who enjoys mathematics or if you're just someone who's curious to learn more this is the episode for you enjoy yourselves [Music] [Music] welcome to the ranvi show again thank you so much it's great to be back you know usually we have these uh one-way conversations where i say okay so this is the topic let's break it down before every single uh podcast that we've done till this point i thought let's change it up today and let's just get to know you a little bit let's have a conversation absolutely because i feel like whenever we stop rolling the cameras when we're recording these podcasts we go outside


when we're recording these podcasts we go outside we have a cup of coffee and even those conversations are great we end up talking about some deep stuff yes so let me begin by asking you how your life has changed through youtube because i feel like uh i discovered you through youtube and then since we started doing these uh episodes it's gotten even further in terms of your brand then you've started doing your own podcast and your own like videos on your channel and things have just changed in the last six months for you yeah so what's changed so i was a very reluctant youtuber actually i mean i started making videos i made i made one video i think in the beginning of 2020 and then i gave it up for almost a year in december 2020 i released this documentary style video about changiskan which completely blew up yeah after that again i kind of didn't do anything for six seven months and i think after i came on your podcast i thought that actually people do want to hear


podcast i thought that actually people do want to hear what i have to say so i thought let me start something again on my channel and then it's just taken off so the past three months have been absolutely uh very busy here i'm just walking that's it why don't you tell people what you do you know for a living break what's your profession like like what do you do because again history astrophysics there's a lot of different things i know what you do but i think it's interesting for you to share it with people so if somebody asks me who i am and what do you do i don't really have a ready answer because typically people would fall into a certain category i am a banker or i am a software guy or whatever i have been into so many things so if i were to ask myself what i am i'm a scientist i'm a physicist that's what i am at my core but my life has taken me through various paths lots of different parts so the intention from the


paths lots of different parts so the intention from the very beginning always was to be a scientist a physicist so i did my studies my msc and all that and then i decided for some time to go into software because i wanted to become financially independent and all that recording coding yeah your coder as well i've been i've done i've spent 10 years in the iit industry i've been a coder i've been a programmer i've been a project manager and tester and whatnot business analyst so i did that but i also did a phd so i enrolled for a phd i think in 2003 or four i submitted my thesis in 2008. what was the phd in it's about dark matter all that you know oh yeah dark matter and all that so i never got the phd okay so the university let this kept me hanging for 10 years and eventually i said i don't want it anymore so that's the kind of story it is so i have finished the phd but i


it is so i have finished the phd but i haven't got the degree in my hand got it so that's the thing and so i worked in knight for like which university was it's one of the big universities in india okay i don't want to take them okay it's it's not important okay so that's what and uh i worked in i.t for a decade after that i went freelance because i was tired of making money for others so so i did that for some time and i've been doing research in history i've been publishing articles and things i've also been publishing some uh research papers in physics so it's been a mixed bag my my dream was to be a be a university professor believe it or not like you know sitting in the middle of a room with lots of books and nobody to disturb me that's all i wanted do research and i have lots of books what life takes you in different directions now you're a youtuber i'm a youtuber you're sort of


youtuber i'm a youtuber you're sort of you're sort of a university professor i think it's like a new age university new age kind of university yeah that's right yeah like i think i think growing up even i had these dreams of being heard maybe you know that was my big dream and that's what youtube eventually gave me it gave me a platform to be heard my voice was heard which is why even though this job is intense it has a lot of work that goes into it it's a fun job at the end of the day because the work is very fulfilling how fun is it i mean is it always fun i mean is it doesn't it get intense don't you get burnt out sometimes i met a childhood friend yesterday and he asked me the same question and i met him after a long time and he asked me how it's going so to be honest these are conversations i've had with the two boys in this room sanchez like they they live with


in this room sanchez like they they live with me they breathe they know everything about me they know like every corner of my brain because that's what video editing and working together does to you absolutely you guys know each other too intensely um so i feel we've started vlogs on our hindi channel right right i don't mind doing the podcast because podcasts are my passion it's like just great conversations like this and you're putting it out there for the audiences plus i get to learn so much on a personal level like you know they say oh you should listen to podcast to get smarter now i'm doing like two of those every week at least so the amount of information that's flowing into my head it's fantastic it's like a brain orgasm every time i do i finish a podcast right even my worst podcast have taught me something you know something or the other uh it's the vlogs that i'm a little confused about do you know what vlogs are yes i do yeah like


you know what vlogs are yes i do yeah like where you just show like one day or one event in your life yes so i have a bittersweet relationship with them i have discussed with my co-founders as well the bitterness of it is that i feel like i'm giving away part of my soul my personal side my uh i can't explain it i've not been able to articulate it and i probably i'm even contemplating going for therapy because of this wow yeah wow because i feel like we started the vlogs to promote level and big brain which are the two new businesses and until they reach a certain level of financial stability i'm gonna keep continuing the vlogs right uh but uh while i'm reaching there the bitterness of it is that i feel that there's an exchange of like i'm giving away my soul a little bit the sweetness of it is that i feel it strengthens the community you've already built and i'm enjoying that plus we're documenting the most intense phase


that plus we're documenting the most intense phase of my life which is all these businesses are being built you know teams are being built there are events happening there's so much rapidity rapidness yes uh so i i think when i look back i'll be happy that i did this but right now it's this strange i don't know how i feel about it so are you blogging vlogging every day or once a week or how is it i'm not vlogging every day i think i'd have lost my mind if i was doing that and i don't i have too much respect for daily vloggers there are people who there are people who do that yes yeah you know people who show their entire family life people who show like literally every moment of their day from the moment they wake up not for me yeah it's i agree it's just you know you you as a creative person at least for me my the way my creativity works is i need some time but i'm doing nothing like absolutely i mean when


but i'm doing nothing like absolutely i mean when you're just looking out of the window you're actually working you're contemplating something something's going on in there yeah that's what non-creatives don't understand isn't it i mean when a scientist is staring out of the window for six hours actually he's actually working or she's actually working yeah so that's what some that's what most people don't realize that creative work is all about thinking tell me what this is the scientist uh angle you spoke about that also involves a lot of creativity it's all about creation i mean there are all kinds of scientists there are certain scientists who go to university and teach and that's all they do but real scientists i would say that a real intellectual is somebody who produces some actual something new and something valuable that can benefit society new ideas or new theories or whatever so that takes a lot of contemplation i mean you have all this existing body of work that your predecessors have created


existing body of work that your predecessors have created you're standing on the shoulders of giants but you have to create something new unless you create something unique and original out of your own intellect you're not a real intellectual you're just somebody who's re regurgitating old stuff so to create something new especially as a scientist you need a lot of contemplation especially when you are a theoretical physicist physicist or a mathematician there's a lot of work that happens in your mind oftentimes it's subconscious you do you are working when you're asleep sometimes you see a dream and then you grab a pencil or a pen and then you jot things down has that happened to you sometimes it has it has happened once or twice to me that sort of thing yeah you know this is what i used to find fascinating about mathematics when i was in college or school i was very i got into mathematics probably in the 9th and 10th standard after trigonometry was introduced and i realized


standard after trigonometry was introduced and i realized how much trigonometry is there in our daily life yes you know everything is trigonometry uh basically for at the cost of making this podcast a little nerdy which i believe it will become and i'm glad it will yeah um it's it's little things like height what's your distance from the height of a building therefore what is the relationship with all the mathematical formulas of that equation when you're just staring at a building and then i realized that the whole world including these lights that are throwing light upon us this is probably an octagon right yeah it's an octagon and there's so many geometry there's so much maths around us which made me understand that the nature of mathematics is truth as in all around us there are equations there is theories etc etc so i have two questions for you one what's your you know vibe about mathematics firstly like in terms of this was my why what i just told you and the second is


why what i just told you and the second is uh like how much more is there to discover is there an infinite amount to discover from now on so how did i discover how did i get into mathematics i mean i have always been scientifically minded i've always always been fascinated by the stars and the cosmos and galaxies and all that and that naturally if i wanted to pursue this field as a professional i would have to learn mathematics because that's non-negotiable yeah just just one second i just want to mention one thing some people will tune out at this point because people have a negative relationship with mathematics so did i up till the age of 13 after which i realized that mathematics is all about practice you practice with you will get better at it it's like lifting a heavy weight that's what it is and once you lift enough weight up to when you become good at maths and then you start developing a relationship with it so anyone who says oh i'm naturally bad math


so anyone who says oh i'm naturally bad math you've just not practiced enough and keep an open mind about this particular conversation see nobody is naturally bad at mathematics it's our teachers who have who have ruined mathematics for us okay to learn mathematics properly you just need the basic fundamentals down good if you're taught addition subtraction multiplication division fractions those fundamentals properly you can never go wrong with mathematics it's in your formative stages that mathematics is ruined for you and that's why people are so scared of it it's actually the easiest thing to learn if you're taught properly yeah yeah so even i had bad teachers i remember when i was a kid i was once trying to learn decimal points and in some in a problem i put three decimal points or something you know as they so i also was at at a point in time quite bad because i was not taught properly but eventually i discovered what mathematics actually is like you said it's the language of the


actually is like you said it's the language of the universe it describes everything around us once you make the connection it becomes beautiful and there are certain formulas and all that bring out the beauty of mathematics like mclaren's formula and there are so many more i'm not going to that but over time eventually by the time i was in college i was quite good at it and i wanted to go get deeper into it mathematics actually can become an obsession if you want to be a theoretical physicist you have to learn only a certain amount of mathematics and then learn as you go as you need but if you just go deep into it you'll become a pure mathematician and you you may lose touch with reality because all pure mathematicians live in an alternate universe why what happens because they are doing math for the sake of doing math you know they are they are seeking problems to solve and certain problems take years or decades to solve like for example formats last theorem it took


to solve like for example formats last theorem it took people i think decades or years or more than a century to solve so certain problems are intractable certain problems are very complicated some are in hyperspace and multi-dimensional spaces but we don't even we cannot even perceive you know you mean like parallel universes no it's about hyperspace means we perceive the world in three dimensions length breadth height or fourth dimension maybe time but you can do calculations in n dimensions like 10 dimensions or 12 dimensions which often times is just theoretical it may not really have any applications or maybe not for 100 years for example the work ramanujan did 100 years ago now we are seeing some applications of that in fields like strain theory etc so sometimes mathematicians are always most likely a century ahead of the time especially the best mathematicians so your work is going to be fruitless in your lifetime but in the future it may be useful to your i mean to the people who come in the future who pays them a


people who come in the future who pays them a mathematician they don't produce anything tangible so universities have to pay them and they should not expect anything in return for mathematicians like any discovery or invention it's just abstract you know that's what it is so they teach i'm guessing to earn their living yeah they have to teach to earn their living you have to dance for your living that sort of thing you know you have to sing sing for your supper that sort of thing so that's that's the trade-off in academia if you want to be a researcher do research then you have to spend a certain number of hours per week teaching and grading papers and all doing all the drudgery mundane work but that's the payoff uh you know you said this thing about a mathematician's work is only applicable 100 years later so uh the stuff you said about ramanujan uh it's used in modern day uh spring string theory yes now what do you think today's mathematicians work will be


what do you think today's mathematicians work will be used for 100 years later it's unpredictable or you think it would be used to find some deeper form of physics or some deeper discovery in physics uh it has to be in in the in the form of some deeper discovery in physics right now what we have the major problem we are facing is the mystery of gravitation the 21st century was supposed to be the century in which we discover what gravitation truly is a quantum theory of gravity gravity at the ultra microscopic scale but we haven't been able to make a single breakthrough so i am i'm thinking that the mathematics that is being done now in the future may hopefully be used in that to figure out what gravity is like at the quantum scale that is one of the biggest intractable problems we are facing today right now so the question i have for you is about modern day scientists and your one couple of questions what's the life like of a scientist uh and the


the life like of a scientist uh and the second question is all the modern day scientists are they working in like towards different i'm sure they're working towards like different uh goals but in the world of science what's like the main hot uh topic right now so typically in science it's all about inventions and discoveries uh you want to solve pressing problems so for instance how to how to invent a better form of space travel for instance it's all about technology the best the most lucrative science is something that has immediate tangible applications for ins for instance quantum computing super conducting uh computing uh machine learning all of this has immediate applications space travel also as in what's on the brink what's going to happen in the next five ten years the science that will assist all that stuff yes it will help us uh go to the next level of computing and so on so so those are the things that have a great deal of tangible immediate benefits but then there is another category of scientists who


but then there is another category of scientists who are theoreticians for instance einstein disc he came out with the general theory of relativity he predicted that that gravitational wave should exist but they were not discovered until a hundred years after he made the prediction so theoretical physicists are usually much ahead of the time but their work also has a great deal of importance but it's not immediately beneficial to humanity it's a long-term investment so scientists are of different kinds some are experimental scientists some are working on various technologies and some are working in their heads the theoreticians so i belong to that category i'm a theoretical physicist you know so i don't produce anything that has any tangible immediate benefits for humanity but maybe in the future it may help so you will basically think about something from a different angle you'll say wait what about this way of looking at it and then come up with some creative solution to bring you from point a to b write it down on paper then maybe 100 years


b write it down on paper then maybe 100 years later there will be a application of what you've done most likely so right now one of the major problems we are facing is that in the past 40 years there's not been a single new discovery in physics that can be proven i mean string theory has failed it has produced no actual verifiable evidence so for the fast past 40 years physics has hit a brick wall there's been no progress whatsoever in the fundamental level of physics so that is something that people are working for and that's all about gravity dark matter dark energy and all that so yeah these are intractable problems people have come up with all kinds of ideas but none of these ideas have been proven so that's what is the major focus in theoretical physics right now and maybe if somebody finds something we may be able to use it in some manner maybe 50 or 100 years down the line perhaps so outside of universities who hire scientists is it billionaires is it the government it's usually


is it billionaires is it the government it's usually it's usually tech companies and all that you know okay so theoretical physicists and mathematicians are only hired by universities nobody else hires those people unless mathematicians i mean some some forms of mathematics have applications in the stock market in finance and economics so those are extremely high paid jobs but your typical mathematician who who does abstract research will not find employment anywhere outside university but that's a long-term investment for society because that will eventually hopefully have some kind of application in the real world yeah that's also one of those situations where you're born with certain gifts so you have a natural flair for something you discover that early in life and you say that's my path and like that's where i want to if you're lucky you go into that you know yeah yeah so i know how the amateurs view einstein and tesla but how does the world of science view these two people like was there something actually extremely different about their heads


like was there something actually extremely different about their heads absolutely i i mean i don't know what about the brain structure but this clearly something absolutely unique about people like einstein boher heisenberg dirac all of these physicists somebody like nikola tesla for example an inventor is it is it like uh the creativity that was admired because you said that there is an element of creativity in being a scientist so is it the creativity you admired about these people it's a package deal there has to be a great deal of creativity you have to be able to look at things from a completely new perspective that nobody else can imagine it's also about the discipline to plow through all the equations and all the calculations and not give up when things when you're not able to find the solution it's also about the mathematical ability and just your innate ability to to understand nature or to or to glimpse something into nature that others cannot but that takes a lot of you it's a


cannot but that takes a lot of you it's a skill you may be it's a talent you may be born with but unless you have the discipline to learn mathematics for 10 15 years you will not be able to bring that to fruition so it's a package deal a number of qualities are required when you say learn mathematics you mean like keep practicing become faster to learn multiple formulae at the higher levels of physics it's not about being fast at it it's about learning newer uh techniques of mathematics for instance einstein had to learn um i think tensor calculus which he didn't know at all so it took him a long time to learn that it's a very uh complex form of mathematics tensor calculus it's very involved and heisenberg when we when he was trying to solve the problem of quantum mechanics he came up with matrix mechanics he had to learn what matrices matrices are which was very uh not very well known at that time in the 1930s i think so you learn new


in the 1930s i think so you learn new things you know so you need that perseverance and you need to be able to learn things quickly so that you can use them as tools so you know how the atom bomb was created back then uh einstein had a role to play in the creation of the atom bomb what's the next destructive technology that's going to be created according to you you know which has uh applications in war applications and destruction according to you what's next i i think right now the only destructive the most destructive technologies obviously nuclear weapons in the future i i cannot imagine something that has more destructive power as with the physics that we currently understand if we can for this is like almost science fiction but if we can harness the power of anti-matter then that could have a more destructive power than quan then nuclear physics itself so if you see antimatter is something that's very volatile the moment it comes into contact with ordinary matter it just evaporates explodes so to to create


matter it just evaporates explodes so to to create antimatter in a lab you need a perfect vacuum you need magnetic confinement and all that so those technologies are very futuristic but if we can do it if you can harness the power of antibiotic then that could potentially be much more powerful and destructive than nuclear weapons so you know because again you're a theoretical physicist so you have to stay in your mind to stay within your own creativity i'm going to be rude with you here have you felt like even you started going mad at some point no i haven't ever felt that but you've had personally i haven't felt that you had peers who feel like that i've heard of many i haven't personally encountered somebody who has felt this way or at least that i know of but i've heard of many scientists who have gone through depression and mental problems and much more you know like why why why do you think that happens i think it's because they are some people


happens i think it's because they are some people are naturally prone to being depressed and all and some people they have extremely unrealistic expectations of themselves and when they are pursuing something with such dogged determination for so many years and you don't get it it may cause mental problems so there's a host of reasons but there have been scientists who have kind of been driven mad for example there was this italian physicist called mayurana who disappeared he was doing work in in the 1930s or 20s i think some sometime around there he was doing work in particle physics he was a very influential physicist he did very good work but one day he took a boat ride and disappeared never came back no one ever knows what happened to him maybe he was fed up maybe maybe he was depressed we don't know but no one knows until today what happened to him so there have been many cases like this um could you highlight like a couple of more things that people


you highlight like a couple of more things that people on the outside don't understand about the world of science or mathematics like this i think in some ways scientists especially the theoreticians are in some way quite similar to artists they take the example of vincent van gogh he was this tortured genius so i'm not saying that all scientists are tortured geniuses but this is another example that brings out the kind of mental turmoil that goes in in the minds of extreme geniuses then you had john forbes nash have you seen the beautiful mind the movie yes yes so that is another scientist who had who developed schizophrenia who developed schizophrenia yes he was not born with it but at some point in his life maybe as a student he started showing symptoms so he was under the influence of schizophrenia for many years for decades do you think it's an outcome of driving your brain in that sixth gear seventh gear for the sake of science that actually drives you to


the sake of science that actually drives you to insanity it may be possible for certain unbalanced people who some people who are not able to to find some kind of balance in life i'm not sure what exactly causes schizophrenia but i'm sure there are certain personality types that are more prone to it so john nash was that but the strange thing is that he was able to recover from it eventually so after a certain point in his life after a few decades he said that whatever i am seeing i'm going to just reject it and i'm not going to act on it and then he was able to come back into some kind of academic life he was even even able to receive the nobel prize in economics so there are there are certain cases like this that are quite striking so it is something a parallel i see between artists very creative artists there is this there was this french lady called sharafin the soundly she was a incredible painter she also had some mental illness but


incredible painter she also had some mental illness but i get the feeling that some mental illnesses cause certain flights of imagination that would otherwise not be possible so maybe it is something that afflicts geniuses more than others but it is a curious phenomenon that one does see from time to time yeah i don't know whether this was on your podcast or just some article i was reading i was reading about da vinci how davinci is remembered as an artist but he actually had drawn out the blueprint of a helicopter and flying devices also so he was a scientist as much as he was an artist and he had drawn out the exact human anatomy you know he has that i forgot what man vitruvian man yeah uh where he had mapped out the human anatomy and uh i think it mapped out what beauty is or something right what was the point of vitruvian i think there was something about the uh golden ratio in there i think if i'm not mistaken correct uh what is


think if i'm not mistaken correct uh what is the golden ratio uh it's an aesthetic concept it's a certain ratio of two numbers i don't remember exactly what it is it's called phi and that is something you find in patterns all over nature whether it is the spiral shape of a sea shell whether it is the patterns in asparagus or broccoli or certain flowers it's something you see over and over again and it's it is something that we find very aesthetic another example of mathematics being all around us yeah which is what you only understand once you go a little bit into uh reading about science and i also read that davinci when he died he had a lot of incomplete projects as in until the point he was dying he was still in that search for what is this art around me what is this mathematics around me uh again probably a crazy guy for the lack of a better word well all geniuses are to some extent crazy because crazy is something that is not normal and


because crazy is something that is not normal and geniuses are naturally not normal i think da vinci was a genuine polymath he was great at art he was great at science he was great at anatomy he did deceptions he invented or he imagined certain certain futuristic uh instruments and vehicles like helicopters and cannons and military things and all he also wrote in a very strange way so he had a lot of projects that were always going on until then like like you said until the time he died and i think that's one of the uh one of the characteristics of a genius it's what drives you forward you if you have a multiplicity of projects going on at the same time then you will always have some avenue in which to unleash your creativity if you get jaded with this on board with this you pick something else up i think isaac asimov was also this sort of a person he was a science fiction writer he was also a physicist i think he


writer he was also a physicist i think he wrote more books than any other human being in the in this the amount of time he lived i think he was writing i think a book every two or three months or something so his output his literary output was enormous and he said that the key to creativity is to have a number of projects going on at the same time if you get if you get a writer's block on one thing leave it aside for a while start start something else or start working on what's incomplete over here so that is the kind of approach that certain people have and i think it's a very if you can take it if your mind can take that sort of uh that sort of uh load load yeah load then it works for you um what's your opinion on your own state of mind so because again you are into physics you're into mathematics into science also into history under geopolitics and you're into these concepts in a very deep way so what goes on in your


a very deep way so what goes on in your head like and how do you balance things out see i'm the kind of person i'm not a multi-tasker there is this concept in project management management of multitasking do five things at the same time it doesn't work for me i don't think it works for many people i like to focus on one thing at one time i have a number of things at the back of my mind i am a very curious person i am naturally curious i have curiosity about all kinds of things that's why i've been able to learn so much because i've been reading all my life but when i'm working on one thing i can only focus on that i need to keep everything else at the back of my mind or shut it out for some time otherwise it's going to distract me yeah but you know this is why i feel you and me can talk to each other easily there are these parallels between you and me in in some ways like multiple like you know


me in in some ways like multiple like you know you like learning about multiple subjects like delving into different things i'm not multitasker at all i'm not a multitasker to the degree where if i'm writing a text message to someone and if my mom and sister are talking at the back i have to ask them to just stay quiet so in one minute until i finish the text message like i have to be in one thing completely but in saying that honestly i have felt my mind slipping away lately i don't know what it is it's the same thing about i mean what you said about isaac asimov that you do multiple projects at the same time this is where i feel the most fulfilled when there's multiple businesses i feel business is also a form of creativity and your own thoughts expressing themselves in the real world it is right or your own creativity creativity expressing itself as real world things which add value it's just it has an element of money and value ads attached to


has an element of money and value ads attached to it it's a way of keeping score isn't that money what do you mean i mean money the amount of money you're making out of it is it tells you whether you're going in the right direction or not and what score you've kept it's kind of keeping score yeah it's as naval ravigan said that all of us throughout our lives just need to create games for ourselves and keep us as entertained through those games so content creation has a job it pays well but i think very early on i realized that you cannot use money as a driving force and you have to use probably two things and this may be the spiritual stuff talking one is creativity again you have to put the creativity into something constantly otherwise you'll go crazy and i remember in school in college i was an aggressive person physical fights verbal fights emotional fights with myself now when i look back i realized that was just the creativity going crazy inside me


that was just the creativity going crazy inside me because i didn't have an avenue to express it and this is like right after first grade right whereas to i still get so frustrated with the education i was getting because it was confined to boxes like in every class in the first grade i would take a blank paper and carry it from my home and draw out robots that i would design this is how a robot would look you know i brought six robots so i draw weapons like an aggressive childhood just because of creativity being blocked once youtube started i felt like i was a bird weather cage had just opened up and i was flying in the open world and i was getting to express my creativity in the form of a career the higher form of that again once spirituality came to my life i realized okay god's given you this gift of creativity what are you going to do with it congregation pays well it probably pay my team well in the long term as well you know content creation careers


the long term as well you know content creation careers are nice even if in the long term you can sustain yourself but it's not just about taking care of your own team if you've been given a gift which is constantly growing like numbers are constantly rising in six years what more can you do with it can you create an impact on people's mental health can you create an impact on the way people look at the world can you create a mass number of jobs your team will be taken care of but aim for that higher goal of life i wanna i wanna change the country i wanna i wanna help the villages of this country be self-sufficient can you do that and that's where i really started finding joy and also there was this point in my early career where i had a choice between going into films as an actor or doing business and i chose business because of my circumstances that time the person i was with the influences around me the things i was reading business seemed fun and i'm


things i was reading business seemed fun and i'm glad i did that not just because it uses my natural ability but because um i feel when you're just acting it's a it's a good profession and it'll it it has the potential to create impact through stories and through fiction like when i look at some inspirational influence in my life i think of laksh and akshay kumar and you know these people who have set certain thought patterns so it has its own purpose but i feel with business you're not just living your own life you're living the life of all your team members you're living the life of all the people that your business influences so if your business does some good [ __ ] in the world be a renewable energy be it creating jobs be it um making the world a better place making the world a more positive place it's a better form of existence and maybe these are artificial concepts that have created around me but these concepts are giving me peace at this stage and keeping my


are giving me peace at this stage and keeping my sanity in check because i have felt my mind go to moments of insanity which expresses itself through addiction i had like huge addiction problems in the past it was way more into cannabis than you can imagine like just heavily into it and i felt like i was into that because again that used to keep me sane uh now it's like the meditation okay which i'm aggressively into and i'm probably just into it because i feel like that's why i've gravitated towards the meditation as well it's just it's settled the uh losing my mind kind of vibe can't explain it in any other reason i've started reading the gita recently again because it's such a heavy piece of text that the heaviness of it just anchors you it gives you fodder which also made me think of spiritualism or you know spiritual thought in general maybe that's the purpose of spiritual thought and spiritualism being a part of the human experience that human


being a part of the human experience that human beings are meant to go crazy and you're meant to like ground yourself through jobs through activities through purposes through thoughtful otherwise in your natural state you're meant to go crazy and maybe maybe the i mean it's just a theory me the world of scientists because they're supposed to look at the world or whatever's around us in its most natural real state they're supposed to keep unearthing the realities of it they make their whole life about the natural core and that's why they lose themselves maybe i think it works this uh maybe this issue afflicts people who have intense pursuits or intense mindsets people who think deeply or people who pursue things deeply i'm sure every mind has a certain threshold beyond which if you push it you may enter the realm of insanity like you said so yes we need to all find whatever works best for us meditation works i think for everybody but there are different forms of meditation there is vipassana there


are different forms of meditation there is vipassana there is a yoga and there is much more so everybody needs to find what grounds them yeah and gives them a purpose that connects them to something larger than them maybe it ties you back to those who came before you or maybe you're working for the future inhabitants of the planet find some bigger purpose and work towards it i'm sure everybody can do that not just scientists or artists or creators but i'm sure everybody can find that in some way and that is what i think these days we hear about this problem of mental health a lot i think the pandemic has created this issue to a great deal because people are confined and they're disrupted out of their normal routines and all that and maybe it's left certain people feeling aimless or or unable to fulfill whatever purpose they thought they had so i think we need to have some fallback mechanism some fail safe something that we can rely on in in any moment of stress i think these


on in in any moment of stress i think these techniques are taught to soldiers also that when you are in a certain conflict area and you need to sleep after a few hours find a way of calming yourself down even if bullets are flying overhead i think there's a lot that in that connects all of these things together it's about finding what works best for you i'm sure everybody at some point in in their life can fall into the void of insanity if of insanity at least to some extent you might dip your toes into that and i'm sure it's not a good experience what do you think happens in the mind of an insane person like when you when you actually see you know you see some of these people in bombay just walking on the road they're probably you know unfortunately disowned by their own families what do you think goes on i think their perception of reality is different from what we would ordinarily perceive many of them are definitely hallucinating walking through


many of them are definitely hallucinating walking through like some sort of uh i don't know for lack of a better lsd trip in real life maybe they perceive uh visions hallucinations like i said maybe they hear voices or something yeah or maybe they just see the world in a different way that we can't imagine but there is clearly an altered perception of reality some like you said lsd trips can do that i've heard or or dmt or whatever but some people maybe their brain chemistry is altered or something has set something off in their minds it is obviously an unnatural state of being we're not supposed to be in that but in this modern stressful world it does seem to surface quite often especially in large urban areas and all that you know but i think there's a shamanic saying about ayahuasca that not everyone is ready for it uh not because it is a strong experience but because it will reveal realities that are already around you but you may not be ready to experience yourself so


but you may not be ready to experience yourself so maybe those people who are so called insane are just able to see realities that they are not ready for and you know the gita also talks about this so again this is a very raw form of what i read recently so the way i read spiritual books is i'll read actively the page i'm at and then just to excite myself and keep myself motivated because it can get extremely heavy to just be in that section of the book sometimes you're not able to absorb completely what's written in that section therefore you just want to go ahead a little bit to keep yourself entertained and then come back to that active section to understand it when you're ready so that's where i'm at i'm at a very difficult intro part of it i'm trying to understand what the basis of it is fascinating by the way i'll maybe that's a whole other podcast but later on i read that uh it's important for human beings to do three


uh it's important for human beings to do three things in particular one be a kind human you know be kind to your equals treat others as you treat yourself okay two treat lower beings with a sense of respect animals serve animals that's why in hindu dharma they say okay you know you feed dogs you you get your leftover food at home you go feed an animal you serve lower forms of life because they are instinct driven they they they don't have the perception that you have and you're supposed to be nicer to them and that's a good form of karma and the third one is you feed the higher beings as well because you're not the highest being and there are higher beings around you which in the same way that you would treat a dog or a cow or an insect well they will treat you in the same way and they're doing things for you that you don't know which again goes into quantum field theory uh speaking to the scientists inside you uh do you


speaking to the scientists inside you uh do you believe that there's higher beings around us as a scientist i would i would say that we have no evidence of that but i am perfectly open to the possibility i don't know i have never experienced it personally but i would be very happy if this was to be true and i am certainly open to the possibility because science explains just a small fraction of the actual universe out there so there is so much that we completely don't understand at all and therefore it's definitely possible that there are there are realms of the universe out there that are beyond our perception but they do exist possibly interstellar shows this interstellar shows this visually like in the climax of industry i think we spoke about this yes yes where uh higher beings are communicating to matthew mcconaughey and his family and guiding matthew mcconaughey in his own life uh but because they are so high like they're such higher beings they're not able to manifest


they're such higher beings they're not able to manifest themselves as anything and show themselves to the human being because the human being may not be able to be perceptive enough to understand okay there's a higher being around me and they show themselves sort of in the form of experiences and guidance um keeping that in mind does the science say anything about some sort of dimensions which are beyond human understanding well mathematically it's certainly possible to calculate uh various laws of physics in higher dimensions we think of three or four dimensions you can have 11 dimensional physics as well so these dimensions may or may not exist they definitely can be constructed mathematically so can you hand hold us through like you know a very amateur version of this like okay so your three dimensions are your length breath height fourth dimension is the so-called time time the so-called time because we don't know if time exists or not which is also fantastic yes time is something we've made for convenience right it seems to be that way


for convenience right it seems to be that way we don't know for sure what it is what is time like okay as an astrophysicist what do you think time is we do not really know what it is we use as a dimension we use it as a dimension in uh general relativity but we don't know what it consists of is it an emergent property of the universe are there regions of the universe where there is no time or is it something that is quantum are there atoms and molecules of time we do not know this we don't have the least foggiest idea of what time actually is does it come out of somewhere does it emerge from the quantum reality or is it something that's inherent to this universe does time flow differently in a different universe we don't have the least idea as of today time is a very foggy concept in physics nobody has an answer it's something that physicists are trying to understand better well they would like to but if we are


better well they would like to but if we are not making any headway in that regard as of today maybe time is a higher being that we're not able to understand who knows like you know have you seen the br mahabharata where they go yes of course i mean that's that's a great example of the concept of time so but like could you could you actually expand on how how does time make physics more convenient or mathematics more convenient it gives structure to things like speed i'm guessing and it gives structure to progression yes so you have the past you have the future and you have the present and speed depends on time speed is distance divided by the time you take to cover the distance velocity is the derivative of that in calculus so it is something we do perceive to past we have memories of things that happen in the past we can anticipate things that have that will happen in the future so it does seem to exist we do have records of things that happened many


we do have records of things that happened many many years ago millions of years ago also so from our experienced reality it does appear that time is something that exists but how many beings do actually perceive time can can a dog perceive time the way we do can a butterfly perceive time or do they just live in a present reality do they have memories of the past does the butterfly have a memory do bees have memories and we do know that dogs and cats and such more intelligent animals do seem to have memories because they recognize people and so so and so on so they also seem to have an experience of time so time does seem to exist at our level in our experience reality but where does it originate from is it something that was born with the universe is it something that will end with the universe is does it exist beyond the universe does it emerge out of the fabric of space and becomes time and space time is it a quantum phenomenon is


and space time is it a quantum phenomenon is it tied to entropy and disorder there are these are only questions that we have and that's the only way we can approach it we don't even know where to begin approaching it yes we have to approach it from a number of different angles and thus far we have not made any yeah i was talking to a friend who's been studying a lot of neuroscience that's been the new obsession for me like getting deeper into neuroscience and he mentioned something very incredible okay so you mentioned about dogs and butterflies perceiving time so if you want to understand a little bit about how humans perceive time you should know that the part of your brain where time is processed is the same part of your brain where space is processed so they they know this the world of neuroscience knows this which means again time space continuum is also linked which means that when you go to a new space so say you're in bombay you're going through the pandemic


you're in bombay you're going through the pandemic you're working time seems to be going by fast where's the whole pandemic gone it was just march 2020 right now and we're in september 2021 but it feels like march 2020 just happened because time flew by but in the middle when you went to goa for that one week when you went to the mountains for those 10 days why did time seem so stretched out and so beautiful because your mind was actually perceiving a new space it was perceiving distance you weren't stuck in a room because space got altered time also got altered because space got larger possibly time got larger and because time got larger you had more mental room to recover which is why vacations feel nicer for your brain that it stretches out time a new space creates new time which feels larger just like the space while your brain is perceiving space and the beauty of newness it's also taking some time to stretch out itself this is why we


some time to stretch out itself this is why we can't understand time because sometimes you're just talking to someone you're having an interesting conversation two hours flow by value because you're so involved in it it feels fast why has space gotten smaller because you're you're in this confined loop of abhijith what is happening here so it's these fascinating neuroscience concepts that sometimes can i feel answer these physics concepts but i'd love the physicist to shed light on this so you said that uh the part of the brain that processes time is the same as the one that processes space so it's again a dimensional kind of thing yeah so time does seem to be from the perspective of the brain a dimension right now we do experience time flowing really fast or slowing down maybe when we're experiencing new things and going to new places we do feel this sensation the time stretches out and it slows down and sometimes i've heard that when people experience some kind of accident they see it