which is listed and that company probably is investing in startups and you buy one share of that company indirectly you become shareholder of all the startups where the company is invested case in point is knockery.com yeah nogri.com is a listed company which incubated multiple ventures including zomato see the valuation which knockery has great in fact i mean we all know the story of nakuri.com so by buying one share of nokri literally you have taken exposure in all the startups where nokri has invested we all don't know the story of nokri.com so nokia.com we know nokri right it's a very important part of india's growth story the best place to source the talent and nokri founder uh was very proactive and he started investing in startups from the earning which nakri was doing right the name of the company is in 4h the parent company which are listed in the market so nokia used to make a lot of money and the founder was deploying that earning in


money and the founder was deploying that earning in various startup exactly what you said so they incubated companies like zomato right and you know what has happened in zomato it has created tremendous wealth for all the shareholders so nakri made a lot of money and that money is where inside that company so if you own one share of that company indirectly you have also made money this is going to happen in the content creation world by the way like um and and this is parallel with the conversation about web 3 we were having yeah yeah but the internet is changing now yeah uh we had a an episode that will actually be out very soon after this one which is centered around the world of web3 crypto blockchain so basically tech nowadays like when we refer to software any tech product is built using a certain coding language used built using a certain kind of raw material okay now imagine the future will use different kinds of raw material different kind of coding languages and it will be able to build


of coding languages and it will be able to build a different form of technology different form of software that's what people refer to as blockchain based technology yeah and that whole ecosystem which will be developed will be called web 3. now there is a lot of opportunity firstly for growth in web 3 web3 is going to be a whole other world people refer to web3 in many ways as metaverse we're seeing with mark zuckerberg creating meta etc sorry rebranding facebook as meta uh meta was a part of web your big part of web3 what people don't understand about web3 and this is something a web 3 expert told me yesterday he said that often you think that there are maybe five or six trillion dollar companies in the world right now you'll name facebook you'll name google you'll name amazon tesla whatever but web 3 is going to open up the floodgates for opportunity to create 100 times that many number of trillion dollar companies and he explained why he said that there's going to be more transactions


why he said that there's going to be more transactions in the matters human behavior is going to change in more ways than you can imagine technology's advancing for example a very basic uh kind of explanation of this is when phones started becoming more advanced and they started building cameras inside it kind of shut down the market for traditional digital camera companies case in point kodak which was like the top company um case in point even i would say blackberry couldn't keep up with all the other phones getting better now imagine such a huge technological revolution is coming that human behavior industries all over the world are going to be shut down that's going to create so many new opportunities there's a lot of money to be made uh and the beautiful thing is that right now often you'll see a lot of content creators also complaining about the algorithm the algorithm doesn't support me or the algorithm did this to me web 3 is not going to be controlled by algorithms you will be on a level playing field with facebook


you will be on a level playing field with facebook and google it sounds crazy and watch out for that podcast when it comes out as well i'm sure so even the world of finance right now is fascinated by websites everything is linked and if you say that i i feel so you know disgusted when people say that i don't want to know stock market because i have nothing to do with it and i say that what are you saying it is such an important part of our lifestyle our future so what you said that you know you you met someone who told you about these things people who are there in stock market they have this quest of finding out what's happening new in the world because they need to find opportunities right can i list out some things which i forgot from the podcast i feel podcasting yes you're in the right zone yeah yeah i want to highlight two things but that startup thing i told you about investing a crore across startups yeah uh you might have the money what


startups yeah uh you might have the money what you may not have is the opportunity which will come your way in terms of where will 20 correct startups approach you from yeah so you also need to be out there yeah and continuation podcasting has put fortunately my people and myself at that forefront of we attract the right opportunities because we're out there so much correct i've also got the right advice from a lot of people at the top and i can name a few industries which are likely to grow one's lifestyle like fosha because people are going more health conscious sustainability is not 100 there but it's catching up a lot environmental uh environmentally friendly products especially in the clothing industry because people don't know that the clothes you wear fast fashion actually causes a lot of pollution and gen z n is waking up to these things uh the third big one is blockchain based tech that's what's really going to disrupt everything and this we had a we had uh an american vc an indian


had a we had uh an american vc an indian american pc kavitha gupta on the show she is very bullish on blockchain based technologies and so is silicon valley yeah people talk about ai and biohacking as you know the big changes in the future blockchain based technologies are very close to us it's going to happen over the next three four years we're already seeing it with this hype about cryptocurrencies but that's literally the building blocks of the world of web 3. there's so much more that's going to come our way like even in the world of finance the world of finance is very wide there's the stock market there's banks there's the equity market a lot of that is going to get charcoaled for lack of a better word in the web 3 world in terms of there's going to be a web 3 version of that that creates so many more opportunities for different kind of businesses that are built using blockchain technology right right but anyway that's that's what i wanted to highlight


but anyway that's that's what i wanted to highlight that just keep an eye out for blockchain based tech yeah um someone at once told me that if you want to become a billionaire really fast you build a tech product yeah what they meant is you attach software with your business so say you're selling fruit if somehow you figure okay how can i attach software with this process of selling fruit are you collecting data about the fruit are you selling fruit through an app are you making a life of a farmer easier through software your valuation of your business goes up if you own that equity in that particular software-based business the amount of wealth you own also goes up therefore people are like oh you know try bringing software into your business try creating things with software that is still true and that's going to be true for the next 10 20 30 years but also this whole aspect of blockchain understand how blockchain works and this podcast is not about blockchain but this is an insight into making money right money


but this is an insight into making money right money will be made when you understand blockchain in detail when you stay updated with what's happening in the world of blockchain and when you stay updated with all the updates of web3 and we've seen a massive update of web3 with mark zuckerberg talking about meta he's currently at the forefront of culture and if one of the biggest companies in the world is talking about web 3 and meta it's going to affect how the rest of the tech world also thinks about it through that anyway so let me just you know because obviously these things are very difficult for the last mile uh finance enthusiasts to learn because these are like because you interviewed someone and you got so much of knowledge and you need to read a lot to reach to that level of knowledge which we have gained let me just give you a synopsis of how this investment cycle works so when an entrepreneur starts the journey of entrepreneurship the entrepreneur puts his own pocket


of entrepreneurship the entrepreneur puts his own pocket pocket money and friends and family and starts the business then the next stage comes where vc puts in money in the entrepreneurs business because they have seen the proof of concept can you invest at that stage as a vc with small capital probably not because 10 000 50 000 1 lakh is not a very big capital to invest at a vc stage but yes you can participate if you have seen any company which is doing it and you are buying share of that company i give you an example of nakri.com so from that vc when it goes to private equity which is they put a larger capital and they take higher stake in the company private equity is like big big capital given to that company when does a company take a call of entering the private equity market so first stage is when product prototype is ready so it goes to vc and the second stage is when some revenue has already been showcased and the company is now looking to expand geographically geographically


the company is now looking to expand geographically geographically yeah so say i'm a regional bombay based uh you know fruit seller and a vc has given you one crore to grow your business in bombay you've shown that you've had success in bombay and now you want to say now i want to go to india correct so there we need then private equity funding because we are talking about revenue from say 100 crore right so 100 crore revenue will need a lot of capital to burn for your marketing for team etc etc so from private equity it probably stays in the company for a long time maybe for four or five years and finally the company aspires to become ipoble company like we had recently nika's of the world which has come out with an ipo and they have created wealth for all the investors who came into their you know ecosystem over a period of time now right now what is happening for a retail investor who wants to invest 20 000 rupees the person can only invest


to invest 20 000 rupees the person can only invest in nikah when the nike has decided to come out with an ipo but by the time you're investing the valuation has already gone up so you are coming into the market at the at the i would not say the last stage but at the higher value of this whole uh higher value of that value chain so for an individual investor with a 10 000 rupees obviously you you can't make huge money because you come at the last stage of the value chain right but if nika grows from here further or any listed company grows further from here then obviously you keep on growing with their growth but your growth will not be obnoxiously high because you have taken less risk the guy who initially gave first money to nike was obviously taking maximum risk so as an investor investing in startups or becoming part of that early stage investing journey now in 10 years will give you far better irr or return on capital than investing in only the listed


or return on capital than investing in only the listed space because you talked about startup and this whole new thing that's why i thought that it's important for stock market investors also to know this side of the game yeah that all this is also happening in the world yeah so most of the time big money is made when you are investing in unlisted uh shares and unlisted shares are also available but these are not a liquid markets a listed one which is like regulated by the city and exchange nsc is there so there obviously your risk of operations is lesser but by the time they come and get listed the valuation is done [Music] last point sure very important so how do we make big money from listed shares because if the valuation has already gone to that level uh you are in the last leg of the value chain how do you make big money big money has been made when market goes down crashes because of some reason 2 000 market in the year 2000 market fell because of dot com crash 2008


2000 market fell because of dot com crash 2008 market crash because of the housing bubble in u.s covet market crash because of uncertain event which happened that is a time when you go all in put your money in good businesses and you make big money because those businesses were valued here during the ipo then then start becoming available at a lower price and then you enter so i have done this empirical study that in your lifetime you will get four opportunities and kovid was one of them yeah to make big money from stock market for apache has the code opportunity gone completely obviously market has really outperformed now what you will make money is uh the final leg of making money you will not make three times four times of your capital but you will make 15 20 30 of your capital depending upon the business you select so i got 2008 in my career uh where i was able to make some decent money for myself i got 2020 in my career i have two more left so i need to


career i have two more left so i need to prepare myself for those two lovely years when everyone will be in despair and distress that our market is going down and i should be happy that market is going down so now i can deploy my capital fully into the market wow wow that's it's a contributing thought processor and big money is only made if you have a contributing thought process if you follow the urd then you are you are going to a slaughterhouse crazy which is which is why you need to play that dhoni game and just play a stable game until the world cup where you go crazy absolutely in the final of the world cup you make the team win yes because that is the day when you will make the difference if you trade whole day if you just you know be there in the market all the time because your neighbor wants you to be there that's not a good strategy that's a good way to remain busy that's a good way to talk you know showcase your so-called expertise of


to talk you know showcase your so-called expertise of market because it's a great way to showcase your you know uh flamboyancy that oh i know about the market this is the in thing but do you really make money out of it by just looking at the market all the time not sure yeah want to highlight the dhoni movie with the late sushant singh rajput it starts with the scene of dhoni getting ready to go out to bat yeah above his batting spot wickets had fallen very early on i think virat kohli was batting that team a very young virat ko and yuvraj singh was supposed to go in but dhoni which is rashford goes to gary kirsten the coach and says that i'm going up early and gary kirsten says no it's actually uv's turn and though he says no no i'm going up early showing bravery in the right moment and then that's what creates legacy that's what creates money but the key is to keep that cool head and be ready to


is to keep that cool head and be ready to fight when that moment's correct uh when that moment comes away no one teaches you all these things in college these are one of the hardcore career lessons you learn only through practicality if you see the ion is hot and if you want to make it big in life you drop off everything else and you go for it and you have like the guts to go for it also and speaking about guts i also want to talk about companies going public we're seeing so many companies going public lately nika zomato what i heard one of my nerdy finance friends say is that some of these stocks are actually not profitable uh yeah so these businesses are not profitable at all yeah and in fact there are some of the ipos where the the company itself is saying that we may not and profitable you remember uber's ipo in u.s where in their ipo document submitted to the regulator they said that we don't know when we'll be profitable so that's that's the


when we'll be profitable so that's that's the new way of doing business and people question that fair enough people can question it because traditionally we have been taught that to become valuable you need to generate profit but the new way of doing business maybe is probably you you need users and the valuation is not a reflection of the earning valuation is a reflection of the future potential earning yeah right i'll give you an example that says omato which is a loss making and today we say that it should not be valued but maybe some u.s company who wants to come into india and do exactly what zomata is doing but they are 100 times bigger in u.s and they want to be present globally everywhere they may perceive value in zomato at that valuation because they know that it's far easier for me to come into india by buying stake in zomato then going solo so their perception of value is different my perception of value is different because i have not seen this valuation in my life


because i have not seen this valuation in my life so i will always question something which i have not seen earlier in my life so do not question my always suggestion to everyone is do not question market do not question market that what you are giving wrong value or you are giving right there is something no at every price so stock reliances say currently trading at around 2500 per share if you go to exchange website you see that price at 2500 there is a buyer and there is a seller also think about it what a lovely price this is 2500 someone believes that the price should go up and the same price someone believes that the price will go down so how can a buyer question the seller or you take care of your perception no if you believe it will go by if you believe it will go down sell no but do not question what other people believes that's what the numbers never lie numbers often uh i feel like the word overrated doesn't apply to anything in this world because what is


doesn't apply to anything in this world because what is the concept of overrated you're seeing someone or something which is considered successful titanic the movie you know lots of people love it some people say oh it's overrated lots of people love baahubali some people say it's overrated but it got success it got numbers it got a fan following it proved its worth through real world success you can't argue with it and people should just take this overrated word out of their dictionary because numbers never lie people never left people's behaviors never lie keeping that in mind i also want to highlight that uh early on the podcast when we spoke about tech businesses being the big money opportunities for entrepreneurs it is this it is a valuation most tech businesses are encouraged to focus much more on gaining and retaining users okay so you build out a tech product you build out a software and if you're able to show that oh these users actually using my app my platform for so much time uh it's okay if i'm


for so much time uh it's okay if i'm not making profits because i've captured these users and over time if i'm able to capture them long enough i can actually affect the habits the thoughts i get the data which is what's happening in web 2 which is what the social dilemma is about and we're seeing that live all these big companies we use we had google facebook amazon we've used them for so long now and they've added so much value to our lives honestly that they have our data and they have changed our behavior like today if you and me don't understand a particular topic we pull out our phones and search for it on google if you want me uh meet someone at a party who's interested you wanna stay friends we'll go on instagram and search for their profiles it's changed our habits and this is what uh tech evaluations are based on can you capture a group of people and can you make them think about your product can you make them use it can you change those


can you make them use it can you change those people through your product because the ability to change human habit is highly valued eventually you can turn that into profits that's the theory like uber not profitable but the long-term vision is that they will get every human being in the world to start ordering cabs through their phones and eventually become profitable maybe because by that point you're so addicted to uber and ola that uber and ola dictate the price of every cab ride and they'll make that extra 10 rupees as compared to what they would make early on correct so that's the game for people who are who don't understand why tech companies are valued so highly so um and speaking about tech companies what i love about what you're doing in your career uh is that you've learned a lot about finance and i'd probably even say life from the stock market you learned about careers from the stock market um and you're applying it now in tech you have some tech based businesses so i want you to


have some tech based businesses so i want you to take us through that journey also super quick like what was that story you learned about the stock market you saw some opportunity and you put two and two together and said okay this makes sense so every time you ask any entrepreneur this question no entrepreneur will say that i developed first this product for my need for me when i was when i am active still very active but when i was very very active in market i used to use a platform called bloomberg which was created by michael bloomberg and i loved the platform and i read a book about him called bloomberg by bloomberg which is phenomenal book a 39 year old leaving his you know solomon partnership and then starting something on his own his inspiring book so i thought that bloomberg is such an important tool because it gives access of information data to a investor but in retail uh retail environment there was not many platforms who were giving that access the ultimate market is all about information


giving that access the ultimate market is all about information arbitrage that if i have more information i make more money if you have less information the chances that you will not make money is high so what i did was to empower myself i started working on stock edge in 2015. it was for me that i need data i know bloomberg is expensive i can't keep on subscribing to bloomberg for me and my team so i created stockage and once you create a product which is satisfying your need automatically that product becomes viral because it's a genuine need which is getting satisfied and other people starts relating themselves with you and that's the core idea of creating tech products create something for yourself create something for yourself so what what does it do what does the company do so a stock market uh is a place as you said it's it's full of data right and you need a simple framework to analyze the data right so stockage was able to create that unified a simple database which people who


to create that unified a simple database which people who wanted to know about the data captured the data used that data to participate in the market they started using it so it's a it's a database of stocks so stock financial data market price and all kind of plus it also helps people to learn about market so there are learning at every stage of the database so so what used to happen in other products is that they always presume that people know what they want to see whereas we presume that 99 people don't know what is it all about so can we explain people so while they are consuming the data we also explain them this is this is the concept now now that you've learned the concept why don't you practice this data as per the concept you've learned so it's like a hand holding to a new investor who wants to learn stock market in cricket terms you're the data guy of the ipl team yeah plus the coach because he's going and telling panda that back like this correct and


and telling panda that back like this correct and showing him that data in a in a graphical format so that his mind can comprehend what i'm trying to say with our minds they we don't like raw data yeah we like graphs and stories and stories and directions cta do this do this do this yeah correct correct um that's very cool sir uh again we gotta bring it back to 2022 yeah what do you think the next year holds for say someone who's learned the basics of the stock market what should they be looking out for right now so as i said that the the money making opportunity big money making opportunity is gone because 2020 was the time when you would have gone all in and made lot of money so but having said that there will be opportunities to make money in the market if you are investing you can't look at one year right so you can't say 2020 to me because when you are investing it's a perpetual investment which you are making so india coming 50


investment which you are making so india coming 50 years is a great story because what we are no one is there in this world and the world has suddenly realized that oh my god we are under invested in india so let's put more money in india because of our population because of china plus one thing where everyone wants to make an alternative to china also in india is emerging as one of the alternative so from an investing perspective a constant identification of businesses which we understand and we are confident about the businesses that is required and you keep on investing as a systematic investment plan plan it out fifty thousand fifty thousand fifty thousand fifty thousand so that you get the benefit if the market falls you get a benefit of averaging uh for your costing and if you are trading i think market is going to be very volatile uh typically it happens when market goes up like this it becomes volatile for some time and then it goes into a consolidation phase which is


then it goes into a consolidation phase which is like a flat nothing happens so till next i'm expecting 2022 will be very volatile so be prepared for some active trading in the market which is why we need to highlight the concept of temperament yeah like deal with it be calm yeah be calm yeah that that is the most important requisite people run after strategies he keep please tell me what works in the market and i tell people that what works in the market is you i think what i like about people in the world of finance is that most of them think like okay let's make up money and get out of it which is beautiful it's very functional way of looking at life those are the people who make it as long-term stock traders or long-term daily traders if you're you've got a good calm temperament if you see things for what they are if you learn about the world in general um you constantly work on your skill set and probably the fourth thing i've learned from you


and probably the fourth thing i've learned from you is that work on your people skills also that can be an edge as with the case for any occupation in life one last thing i'd like to ask you and i think i know the answer to this is about your podcast you run a finance based podcast and i'm sure this experience was slightly different for you because you're usually talking to people from the world of finance and here we're doing this happy random conversation also not that your conversations are not happy i'm sure they are but they're happy in a different way you guys because you'll come from that world of discipline as a person what was the reason for you to do a podcast because it can't just be numbers and youtubing i know what the podcast has done to my mind and my thought process what's that podcast done to you and do you think it's been one of your best career decisions or where would you rank that yeah so definitely one of my best career decision because stock


so definitely one of my best career decision because stock market is a place which has potential to so much learnings and anyone can give you learning in stock market because everyone has a very unique style of participation in the market i do a series called face to face in illinois youtube channel which is my company's youtube channel i recently recorded a video with a with a gentleman who is from from a village which is 200 kilometers away from jaipur and this gentleman is trading the market for many years and that village has a population of 50 60 people and he stays there he has been trading the market using one of the most sophisticated signs of market and making money and i interviewed him and i was in a state of awe that india is not just about bombay or bangalore or delhi india is everywhere and to learn from people a remotest part of our country and presenting them to public and large and telling them that listen he can do it why can't you do


that listen he can do it why can't you do it listen so much effort this guy is putting it why can't you put it so my my podcast is also about techniques because finally people want call to action that okay i've learned but karna but also it's about inspiration that and we all are used to getting inspired from rakhi junju mala ramesh damani who is an investor in my company and other people and they are like commodity everyone knows about them but do we know sharmajee from jaipur who is doing doing such a phenomenal work in trading that is my core that inspire people to do uh trading or investing the right way in stock market everyone can be a dhoni everyone can be a dhoni that's always my first flight you've got to be the only of stock market i'm glad you know uh speaking with you over the last couple of hours i believe i've noticed two things about you your eyes light up when you speak of your family and again


light up when you speak of your family and again and when you speak of the world of money and finance yeah so you're on a very unique position where you're getting to work and live with the two things that you love the most in the world so thank you sir for sharing all this knowledge and these learnings with us this is one of the most insightful like real world actionable podcast we've had on the show and to the listeners this is what the new flavor of the runway show will be so if you liked it share it with your friends comment ensure you give it a like on whichever platform you're engaging with because it's your likes and comments that get us a better relationship with the algorithm thank you thank you sir thank you to you too thank you looking forward to talking to you again and looking forward to learning from you uh i feel that because of your podcast even you're not even 50 done with how much you wish to learn going forward yeah so excited to meet you again


learn going forward yeah so excited to meet you again same here and i would love to say this that i've learned so much from you as well in this interactions thank you i'm glad thank you thank you so that was one stimulating episode of the ranvi show you know i used to always be scared of conversations like this when i was like 23 24 and when i turned 25 i got extremely serious about my own financial education about my own personal finance strategies i still just hear financial uncles talk about all these big terms and kind of get intimidated i had to go through this whole mentality switch period where to embrace financial education based conversations by asking the stupid questions don't be asking the stupid questions and i hope that if there was a part of this episode that you didn't understand that i failed to explain to you guys go watch all our basics of personal finance episodes that we've created on the hindi channel on the english channel learn about personal finance and re-watch this episode if you


learn about personal finance and re-watch this episode if you have to but get into financial education your future self will thank you for it for the rest of your life remember the future self will also thank you following the renovation spotify every episode is available on 45 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world next up on the runway show we have another aspect of the future of money making we're going to be talking about blockchain business opportunities nfts crypto with another very intelligent guest i'm really really trying to play around with the kind of content i'm making on the runway i'm trying to make it richer thicker meatier better more informative so that you guys get an edge in your careers in your personal finance games and an edge when it comes to how you guys look at the world this is a beautiful trs community we've built out and it's only the beginning namaste thank you so much [Music]


this one's another fantastic episode with abhishek bachchan the only difference this one's in person in person podcasts are always a very very different vibe i feel like i made a b junior speak straight out of his heart you guys be the judge what i do want to say is that we've covered everything from his business interests to how he's looking at life right now to how he's looking at the future of cinema the film industry the future of india in general and also of course bob biswas which is out on z5 on the 3rd of december so make sure you check it out and make sure you follow the runway show on spotify every episodes available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world we're a spotify exclusive now because of you guys and your support and your love keep supporting us but for now slip in to this very organic brotherly conversation [Music] you're looking great thanks man you seem like you're excited i am welcome to the runway show i'm


excited i am welcome to the runway show i'm excited about being here you know i'm i'm done with doing this uh virtually with you i agree 100 100 so i'm happy thank you for for having me on your show yeah before the cameras got rolling i was telling you how you're really easy to talk to like your energy is very easy to kind of get into do you know what i mean no but but thank you thank you yeah yeah yeah i you know what happens also if i may a lot of the time when when we're doing interviews or we're about to interview somebody i know because i've done a few but i've had to interview other people we get very we work ourselves up about the person that we're talking to and that person gets that vibe and then they kind of climb up i think an interviewee get kind of feeds that vibe off so we kind of climb up actors generally aren't very comfortable talking about themselves so we build this false wall


talking about themselves so we build this false wall around us that keeps people at bay it's it's more of a defense mechanism why is that i don't know man i've never been like that i i'm bad i just say it but i know you're a thinker so i'm sure you don't think there's nothing wrong in thinking but nothing wrong in thinking but i think you know possibly i mean i'm just you know winging it here but we we kind of bear our soul on a daily basis as our profession but we entrust that soul to very able hands of our directors and that too is a huge trust exercise so you're like dude i'm allowing you to manipulate my emotions just be nice and that i mean it's like um back in drama school you do trust exercises you know the first one being stand there and just fall back and your partner will catch you you got to trust them and i think that comes from the fact of just being able to emotionally trust somebody and


of just being able to emotionally trust somebody and um it takes a lot of time reassurance and confidence to be able to do that and then imagine you put in a situation where you could be at times speaking to a rank stranger and here you are they'll ask you some very at times um personal personal is fine i mean i get it but intrusive at times and you have to be as honest so it's it's a bit weird no it's like you meet somebody for the first time you talk to them about your entire life right we had tapsipan on the show last month and she said that the nature of being an actor is a little weird she said did she allow you to say anything uh yeah yeah she'll say no stopping freight train it was it was nice yeah but uh she said that because you guys have to kind of go into emotional depths of your own mind by you guys i mean actors um it kind of puts you on the edge a little bit in


of puts you on the edge a little bit in your real life like you are you can get irritated easily you can get angry easily and that's just an outcome of the nature of your job you think that yes you felt it i'm sure there are times i mean uh for example if you if you have a bad day at work i mean it takes it's it's very easy to just fly off because i mean we're very brittle right emotionally because you have to be brittle slash fickle with your emotions you know uh seen you know your your your the love of your life has dumped you and walked away and your dog has died and action and your i mean it's a ridiculous situation but you've got to find some emotion that triggers the right expression and you and cut and you're back okay how is it okay so you know it's it's it's just crazy it's a switch on off honor so you do tend to get fragile that way so i can get i get it


fragile that way so i can get i get it i mean are you are you able to control it more with age i think so um i think with time um you just get a better understanding and grasp of your craft it never gets easy but i think you're more comfortable controlling it you know interestingly i was asked this earlier today i was doing an interview and we were discussing dia who's the director of my film bob biswas and she's a kid she's 25 26 when she shot the film and what i was saying the context was i was like i was amazed that at such a young age and being her first film as a director she had such emotional depth and such a mature grasp over her her craft of filmmaking that stuff doesn't come to you naturally it's stuff that you have to earn and learn with just time you know i'm sure if i put it in your context when when you first started your first podcast this is what you wanted to do so you prepared


this is what you wanted to do so you prepared for it in whatever way not just physically in terms of equipment but also your subject matter the way you want to talk but today there is a certain comfort zone there is a confidence that okay kisiko i can have a conversation with them whether it's good or bad that we'll see but with time and doing stuff repeatedly you do get a certain amount of confidence about how to do it and the same thing is there with with with performing when i first started off there was absolute fear firstly if i was given i mean i'm not kidding and uh might not be the right thing to say on your show but say it when when i was given my first dialogue sheet my only sole objective was learn these lines don't get them wrong and all newcomer actors will tell you the same thing let me mug my lines let me just say the lines properly you don't even start thinking about how you meant to perform those lines how you meant to


meant to perform those lines how you meant to emote how you meant to play with it with time when you become comfortable with the surroundings around you with the process of filmmaking when you get comfortable something as basic and rudimentary as somebody saying cut one more when you first start off i remember when somebody said cut one more i took it personally like i've done something wrong that might not be the case and even if it is it's okay this isn't a stage play where you only get that one continuous take you have the the it's the you have the availability of technology that allows you to redo the shot and do it for what reason to get it right so as long as the end product is fine it doesn't matter there are no subtitles saying they took 100 retakes it doesn't matter they see the end product they don't see the toil and the tribulations before that now when you have that kind of a situation and you start dealing with it and you start getting comfortable


start dealing with it and you start getting comfortable with it that's when you start just kind of exhaling and chilling in front of the camera and getting comfortable around your surroundings and i think if as an actor what is our job right where we're trying to place ourselves in a scenario however fantastical or realistic but you're trying to inhabit that environment that zone as convincingly and realistically as possible so that the person watching it believes that you're actually experiencing that you're not performing it that's what they say acting is an acting it's reacting in order to do that there are a lot of other factors in filmmaking you just have to be comfortable with right so i think with time that comes with a certain amount of experience and maturity where you just learn to just exhale and just be i find myself a lot more at peace in front of the camera now than i was before and that alone will just give you the grasp over it's like you i mean i'm sure


grasp over it's like you i mean i'm sure today you feel a lot more comfortable i mean having a mic in front of you second nature you're facing into the mic is something that just happens mechanically with you now 100 also also going into other people's energies and i also think you've described careers in general man carriers always begin with oh yeah you're hyper about it and then you just ease into it you know yeah and once you ease into is when you can start playing with it you can have fun with looking pretty sick honestly thank you man pretty crazy i also feel i don't know if you saw the comments on the last episode we did you've got a heap of love and if you haven't i urge you to listen i read a few of them go read them now i'll i didn't read all of them go read them i'm not that vain i'll tell you why see the nature of podcast is that they stay online forever all right and people discovered with time


online forever all right and people discovered with time someone's friend tells them we should go check out that conversation that's our podcast grow so see the way people have spoken about you okay i'll do this obviously they've highlighted the n word and they've used you as a an exception oh really yeah and they've said that you know okay yeah yeah they've said that this guy is is like great this is this is real talent it's not a it's not a bad word i mean when you said n word i thought you were going to say something no no no no the n word from a film perspective nepotism there and um it's an important conversation it's an important conversation just i mean feel free to talk about it it wasn't my intention to bring it up no no i'm actually i'm very happy to talk about it uh i think it's a conversation that must be had i think all conversations must be had okay if even one person feels something uh i think it's very important for the


something uh i think it's very important for the film industry to always introspect and and try and correct something if it is wrong but in order to do that and to judge whether something right or wrong we must understand it in entirety sure unfortunately in today's day and age of speed and in social media where a verdict has to be passed immediately we tend to have a rather myopic view about stuff it's very important i've been on social media now for 11 years 2009 november 3rd i joined twitter i still remember and at that point the slightest thing would trigger you off today you might read something my first reaction is wait let me do some r d about this let me check is this are there any other views you try and get an entire 360 degree perspective um nepotism is an important conversation because this industry has been painted as an industry which only works with its own uh there's this there's this very apparent divide between insiders and outsiders and i understand where that comes from and


outsiders and i understand where that comes from and it is a and it's true to a certain extent we tend to forget that the majority of the successful people are not from the industry they've not come from here they're all outsiders that have come in and have achieved we also tend to forget that nepotism is a part of every industry out there man yeah but nobody wants to hear that right so let's not there's no point getting into it because there's always but if but that fine um let's not get into the normal conversation about it you're talking about an industry which needs to work with comfort coming back to what we're discussing before you're dealing with emotions so you need to trust the person you're working with i would much rather i would perhaps think would want to work with somebody that i know because i'm going to be dealing with my emotions as an i'll speak as an actor and as a producer because those are the two fields i'm qualified to talk about as


are the two fields i'm qualified to talk about as an actor i would probably be more comfortable working with somebody that i have a rapport with so that i can feel secure emotionally that this person is going to take care of me take care of the film do right by the film it's going to be very difficult to deal with these preconce uh with these um points of what have we discussed to somebody who you don't know at all that could be one of the reasons plus it's always been like one big large dysfunctional family all right it's just the vibe yeah i mean i'll say to you today and i'm saying this consciously knowing the kind of discussions that happened i agreed to do bob biswas because sujoy's daughter was making it i had not heard the script so joy came to me i've written a story about um about a contract killer who loses his memory and he's trying to regain his life and his past catches up with him i said okay interesting contract killer


catches up with him i said okay interesting contract killer loses his memory throws up a lot of conflict nice i said are you gonna direct it are you producing he said no i'm producing it i said who's gonna direct it he said my daughter there i said okay done he said no no no hear the script i said no it's done he said no no i don't want you i want you to hear the script and if you don't like it don't do it i said sujoy it's your daughter i'm doing it that's me that's my personal choice i've always put relationships ahead of personal and professional gain yeah does that make me wrong i don't know i was thankful i was very happy and majorly relieved that it was such a fantastic script and it was such a great character and that theo was just brilliant but the point is ranveer i'm not sure if i said this to you the last time you know true words weren't said when i reached the premiere of my first


said when i reached the premiere of my first film and it was at the liberty theaters in south mumbai and after the arduously long drive from juhu all the way to liberty in south mumbai um i remember reaching these huge crowds and this huge roar went up when i got out of the car was you know making his debut the entire film industry had been invited to the premiere those are the days of premieres and it wasn't just a red carpet where you go take a few selfies or proper premiere army band playing all that kind of jazz great fun you know the full glitz and glamour and here was you know this young colt who's about to to make his debut and obviously the entire industry had come to wish us and bless us and obviously see what we're all about and i remember walking through the gate and when i reached the main door of liberty i remember yashankal was standing there mr yes chopra now i was born in


there mr yes chopra now i was born in front of him i've grown up playing in his house his family i took his blessings because obviously i was going for my premiere he's such a senior and respected person and he means what he does to me and my family and he hugged me and he said something to me in my ear which i'll never forget and truer words were never spoken he said your father brought you till here remember that respect it from here you have to walk on your own two feet because if tonight the film isn't good by tomorrow morning they'll know and nobody will go see a film and that is whether you like it or not is the truth it's not about being given another chance i say this with a very heavy heart i have a lot of friends who are from the industry who are children of prominent actors who haven't managed to carve a niche for themselves and they haven't been given a chance and please let me tell you and


given a chance and please let me tell you and please i'm saying this with absolute humility if you are given that chance there is a very practical reason behind it and that reason usually has to do with business and the business is okay for example they might not be the biggest star but if i make a movie with them my budget comes down x i can sell it for y okay that makes business sense let's do it it's a business man you know at the end of the day yes um why would a producer not want to work with somebody that they've worked with before or a family member there is a comfort zone over there yeah there are certain liberties you can take there's a ease of working and understanding but it's always been about can this person bring back the returns on the film and if they can't you don't get a job and now i can speak from personal experience i've been in that that receiving end you know i've been at the end where i didn't get a job


been at the end where i didn't get a job i've been at the end where i've been replaced by countless films i mean i i forget today i've been at the end where i was getting calls from certain makers and six months later when my films haven't done well not only do they not pick up your phone call they don't call back i've been in the zone where you've gone up to a make and say look i'm a huge admirer i'd love to get the opportunity to work with you i'll call you this that that call never comes yeah the important thing is not to get bitter about it the important thing is to understand that it's not personal if you're worth it they'll call you yeah you know um i have three things to say as an outsider trying to understand the industry from the inside and speaking to people from the industry the first is what you said about business that while we criticize nepotism while the general audiences criticize it as for what it is yeah


audiences criticize it as for what it is yeah people fail to understand that uh say stock at so-called targets do guarantee a certain high amount of returns versus someone who's absolutely not from the industry in the first film in the first year because there's that there's that whole hunger to say okay what is this guy's son or daughter the second thing is um that thing you said about being on set a film set or a video creation set yeah there is a certain energy that goes when everyone has to be in sync it's like playing in a band so the familiarity helps absolutely and the third thing i'd i try to recall what ayushmann quran said on this podcast he said that there is opportunity out there if you're willing to work hard enough and if you're prepared enough you will find the opportunity often people who blame nepotism and things like that uh aren't kind of gauging the situation from a 360 degree perspective if you really want something there is opportunity


perspective if you really want something there is opportunity to be grabbed but you just gotta work for it absolutely man you're talking to somebody who sits here who comes from a place of of immense privilege of which i'm very aware of very appreciative of and i work my rear end off every day not to disrespect that lineage but that lineage was given to me by a man who left a well-paying job in kolkata came to mumbai stayed slept on the bench on marine drive for nights uh entered a film contest lost went to all india radio got voice rejected struggled and made his way he's paid his dues and he continues to at the age of almost 80 work 16 to 18 hours a day it's not easy man and you've got to you've got to stay humble and you've got to like you just said at the end of the day it's your work that counts if your work isn't good enough the audience won't want to see you if they don't want


won't want to see you if they don't want to see you nobody's going to give you a job so as a podcast i'm always looking for moments in the conversation where my guests eyes light up your eyes just lit up more than normal that's that's love speaking up dude that's love and respect you know to see okay i'll tell you a very personal story which i generally don't like to do because i like my family my family are very protective but since we're discussing this and i really feel it gives a great insight not only to the greatness of the man but it'll serve huge inspiration to anybody who's out there looking for inspiration um since my father's fatal neo-fatal accident in 1982 on the sets of cooley every sunday there's a crowd of people that come to meet him outside the house all right um my previous house prathiksha every sunday there was to be thousands of people traffic used to come to a stand still it was crazy now when we live


a stand still it was crazy now when we live in our other house in jehujah said they come there and he religiously does everything in his power to be there at six o'clock in the evening on sunday to go meet the crowds and they come in in thousands and there's a huge traffic snarl for the one two hours that it happens and he goes in five ten minutes he waves he tries to sign as many autographs now take as many photographs and selfies there had been times after i became an actor that he took me and i call it my simba moment you know lion king when mufasa holds up simba and says yeah my son so i said that's my simba moment and i go there and i very reluctantly wave because obviously i mean come on nobody's there going to wave at me when you know mr butcher is standing behind you i'll wave at you man thank you um see the things he has to do to get me on the podcast so um i


do to get me on the podcast so um i go i mean reluctantly but obviously you come with shyly wave and then you step back and that means his it's his domain and they're for him as they should be one day um we came back in and crowd was very robust and so i said you know i really wanted to ask you all these years i said how does it feel because you know receiving that love from the crowd in the flesh oh my god it's that energy is something else i said how does it feel and he's very um yeah he's not somebody who's always mind he's not one of those he just smiled i said no tell me i mean come on you know it's been like this for over 20 years can you imagine since 1982 every sunday they come and they want to wave out and give him the love and all like it must feel great you must feel on top of the i would i mean the few times when he's taking me up then i've


few times when he's taking me up then i've just waved and they all be saying you feel empowered you you know you just everything just yeah come on it felt great i said what do you think come on tell me you're thinking like wow you know i'm the king of the world what do you feel and he left and he went on the next day we were having dinner i mean finished and just the two of us sitting on the table he said you know yesterday you asked me something he said how do how do i feel i said yeah how did you feel feel great so what do you think he said the only thought that's going through my head is you think they'll come next sunday and that hit me i was like wow man here's this guy he's accomplished all there is to accomplish anselm and his biggest thought is what can i do to work hard enough to make sure that they come back so you're not being you know it teaches you you cannot even at that


you know it teaches you you cannot even at that position be complacent you cannot take it for granted and i mean you know please allow me this i mean he's the amitabh there is not a bigger star and better actor than him in the world and his attitude is not dude you know leo move aside i'm the king of the world you know he's like dude i got to work harder because please these guys have to come back i mean it's amazing dude i mean you get that kind of inspiration at home for me and that's what i aspire for so i mean you know when you talk about all this stuff about getting it for grant no man i've seen that man work and i and i try and emulate that i mean what more inspiration do you want there's this saying which i'm remembering right now uh the quote is success isn't bought it's rented and the rent is due every day oh yeah absolutely more so now than ever yeah 20 years ago it was


so now than ever yeah 20 years ago it was due every friday now it's every hour yeah yeah what's that like because you've seen that and you're seeing this well i still came into it when it was still transitioning i mean for my dad i mean like they didn't even know when their films released there was no promotional tours there was nothing they didn't have to do photo shoot for the posters they used to be hand-painted you know they were all doing multiples and you know 14 15 films at the same time my question to you after that was i mean as his son as someone who's observing him why do you think he's hustling as much as he is like what's his why part of it i think is this force of habit that's the only way they know how to work you know and i think they come from a generation where that generation was about providing being um the breadwinner and making sure you do whatever you can to keep the family happy healthy and safe so for that you


the family happy healthy and safe so for that you just you just you know you grinded it out every day and that's all they know how to do i mean i know i mean my father can't be on holiday i mean after the first three four days he's like okay you know what do i need to do and everybody's like please get back to work because we can't handle this energy around us it's just you know they get they get impatient and i i've seen a lot of this generation i i had the pleasure of working with somebody that that is very very close to my heart and and god rest his soul really um was you know it was chinto uncle mr rishi kapoor he was the same thing i need to keep working it's just it's it's it's part of their programming can i say something about you here yeah sure i i see this change in you lately you do yeah and even on the last episode you spoke about being in your 40s and priorities changing yeah yeah and


in your 40s and priorities changing yeah yeah and there's this new kind of energy in you which i think people are also picking up on as a guy really yeah i think i'm a bit more settled dude also you're even more energetic than you used to be yeah i mean yeah i'd love to work but i just feel you know somewhere i might not i've kind of figured out somewhere what i don't want to do which is well there's certain things i don't want to do like you'll never know what you want to do but okay when you first start off and i think that's part of the reason why you're so hyper about your job is you just got the i mean when i first started acting i was like wow i've got a job two years i've been trying to get an acting gig and it didn't work you're just excited so you do whatever comes your way um now i'm like okay i know what i want are you happy i'm very happy happier than you've


you happy i'm very happy happier than you've been ever yes and what is that because of that's my daughter i think um my daughter really put things into perspective one thing that made me really like you when i was a kid was that in some interview you had said that dilemma by nelly is one of your favorite songs am i right absolutely and that was the same for me as well eshwari on my song that's a great peaceful interview but uh yeah you know what she did for me once we were dating and for for a present she got me she got nelly to autograph his mic and it's on my table it was awesome um here's something i've got to ask you is it and i sang with him you sang with nelly i've done a track with nelly one of my favorites so i did this track with my dear dear friend raghav who's just a brilliant singer of indian canadians yes so raghav approached me and said hey i'm doing this one song and


me and said hey i'm doing this one song and you got to do until the sun comes up i'm like yeah okay sure and he's like oh by the way nelly's on it i was like do this man come on it's nelly and so yeah you should check it out it's fun nelly had said that when he held his child in his hands for the first time that was what changed everything for him he's got a credibility on it as well you should hear he's done a track that he sang for his son and you felt the same about your daughter uh well at that point not when i first held her i was just so excited but i think you know it dawns on you that i want to do stuff for her i want to i want to make her proud i want to make her happy like my father makes me proud you know and um you have a reason for doing what you do i don't know if i'm bursting your bubble but i think she'd already be proud of you


but i think she'd already be proud of you dude i hope so i hope so you know my mother always told me that it doesn't matter if you're a good actor or not make sure they remember you as a good human being and i think once you do that [Music] you know we get so engrossed and so lost in the hustle of life and like i said it's important to know what you don't want what you want will keep changing that's fine and it's okay to change your mind there's nothing is cast in stone but when you first start working and you become independent you want to do everything i want to in in in the film actors contest i want to be the most successful actor i want to be the number one star i want to be the biggest name ever i want to have the best endorsements i want to you know i just want to be the bad everything and slowly you realize that that all means precious little once you're done playing with it it's important to


once you're done playing with it it's important to go through that and then you know they all say water finds this level you find your level and then okay this is what makes me happy what you want and what makes you happy are two very separate different things and that's going to come to you with time the laws of nature are something which i really started listening a lot to because there's a lot of wisdom in it there's a reason why they say oh the elders you know and and at times especially today's generation which is so well informed and educated yes nobody's saying that you have to blindly listen to the elders but there's a certain amount of wisdom that comes with age because you've seen that much of life there was a very nice quote i read the other day blind said by a father to his child always listen to my advice not because i'm always right but because i have more experience in being wrong isn't that nice it's so nice yeah nobody gets it right all the


so nice yeah nobody gets it right all the time yeah but with age you just have more experience of getting it wrong so you know what not to do so yeah what does your dad think about what's happening in your professional world as not not abhishek bachchan's professional in your industry now today he's very excited dude he's at the forefront of it right he's at the cutting edge he's the one leading the pack as always i think he's having a lot of fun i think there was a time in the 70s and 80s where the leading man had a lot of pressures on them you had to be in a particular mold you could do certain things but you definitely couldn't do some other things there were a lot of do's and don'ts all of that um i feel somewhere he feels more liberated today because he gets to be part of stories and be part of characters which he's kind of he's rid himself of all the shackles so he's really enjoying himself and


shackles so he's really enjoying himself and if you see be it even in the 30 second commercial he's having a blast you know you see him do movies and you see pow you see a piku or you see a gulab and it's just it's so much fun and at the same time you can do a badla you know which is dark so so i think he's really just having a blast did he see the bob besos trailer yes he did what did he say because i'll tell you what a lot of my friends said he said that indian films are getting darker in a very lovable way ah the whole the whole world of content he didn't say anything like that he said very interesting i want to see the film now but then he wrote a very sweet tweet which which which which is very touching he said i'm very proud to call you my son and um i mean what do you want right um what do you have to say about the film what was it like and do you


about the film what was it like and do you also feel it's getting darker cinema in a very good way i i think there's a big distinction between what's happening in the ott space and what will eventually happen in cinemas break this down yeah so we're in a transitional phase right now because the lockdown happened theater shut down so suddenly ott platforms picked up and everybody said okay we cannot release over here now because there's been that huge influx now is when the audiences will start settling and decide what they want to watch because the ease of choice is a lot more on a digital streaming platform because here and it's on my phone i don't have to um i don't have to go to the cinema i don't have to get out of my home i don't have to commute bear the traffic buy a ticket find my parking buy the concessions find my seat somebody else is sitting there move them so it's it is a process when you go to the theaters


it is a process when you go to the theaters when you go to the theaters it's about an experience of watching a film [Music] gotcha ott isn't about the experience of watching a film it's about watching the film hence because of that the only focus is on the film your focus is purely on content and your content has to be excellent if it's not pause button gone you're never coming back to it if i'm in the movie i'm not liking the movie i'm like forget it i'm bored but i'll sit here for three years i bought the ticket might as well sit in the ac you're not going to get up and leave [Music] right so you have that so now it's going to start settling they're going to be i mean i predict there'll be a time where different digital platforms will have different kinds of audiences you know your hot stars your netflix your amazons your sony live your z5s are all going to have different profiles of of of audiences that


going to have different profiles of of of audiences that patronize it everybody uh is not going to want to pay the subscription for all of them so they will decide that in itself will divide the audience so like what happened uh you know in in theaters there was the the the single screens and the multiplexes where the multiplexes were perceived to be the the more discerning audience they you can show a different kind of film because they were smaller theaters you didn't have to spell sell so many tickets so you know those medium to small budget films could also be made and end up doing well a similar thing i predict is going to happen ott so they're gonna they're gonna patronize content which has to be very engaging yeah yeah and i feel in time to come not immediately in time to come you want to go to the theater to see those larger-than-life films because you want the physically large screen and you want the experience of watching the film so there'll be content where


of watching the film so there'll be content where which is experience based 100 i'm dying to go see suryavanchi in the theaters and whistle and clap and throw money and dance i'm not just going to see my friend um akshay and ranveer and katrina and rohit's film i'm going to experience it as well and rohit has the brilliance to understand that so he makes his films in that way it's all there to entice you into that experience um you know i was having a conversation with someone here about how algorithms control our life right right like because of social media that's what all of us are using constantly algorithms also change your behavior and there's going to be behavioral changes that happen across uh indian town cities villages right right now what's happening in the indian cities is attention spans are getting lower because of short form content sure which is why things like bob biswas people will latch onto where spacey where the lighting is different where it's a little in


the lighting is different where it's a little in your face the story is gripping storytelling will never ever die that's that's even if everything goes short form i think bob is very well placed right in the middle of that spectrum yeah it was intended for a theatrical release then the pandemic happened we got delayed by 10 months our stat was our set was standing for 10 months we resumed we finished post happened theater still won't open up we weren't sure we finally took the plunge and said look as a financial decision as well it's not fair to tell the producers just keep holding on we finally decided we felt z5 was a wonderful platform came on to it okay cinemas are slowly stumbling back to normalcy but i'm not i i don't regret that because i like i said bob is sitting in the middle of the spectrum it's something that is going to cater perfectly to the crowd that watches ott content and will tick the boxes that they require and


content and will tick the boxes that they require and the same for a theater going audience so i'm just happy that the film is finally coming out yeah and people are going to get to see it also a lot of ott success is word of mouth and social media based man so yes because there's no other barometer in in in cinemas we have the box office but you know even then runway if you see we're one of the few nations that's obsessed with collections um when i was in college in boston there was one entertainment magazine that would possibly publish in a small box and i still believe till date the majority of audience india don't really know what the collections are it's all word of mouth you know um people standing outside the theater let's ask the guys coming out and that is the greatest publicity we can do extensive marketing campaigns it's your first trailer and your first visual which the audience is going to decide are you watching it or not to give you an example


you watching it or not to give you an example in the english context i grew up in the 80s and 90s so tom cruise is a huge part of our growing up all right and twice in my life have i been tongue-tied okay i mean come on i i i i did it with that okay i don't i don't get star struck twice in my life one of them was with tom cruise because it's just a magical person just what a guy um so present in the moment anyway that's a different story there was a teaser of top gun maverick now if you grew up in the 80s and the 90s top gun was the film the coolest thing to ever happen and now to see top gun maverick and um they don't show him throughout the trailer it's just a voiceover of i think it was ed harris's character that's talking to him saying you know you're still a captain you should have been a two-star admiral or a general or


have been a two-star admiral or a general or whatever and this and that you know you're a dying breed and your time's done and then they cut to me says maybe so sir and he's looking older than it is maybe so just not today that's it and you're like dude i have to see this film that's i mean that's it yeah you don't have to show much it's just you've managed to entice the audience say i gotta watch that i have no choice for example i was telling aj just before surya when she's released the point is not whether people are going to go watch or not they have no choice as an indian movie lover i have to go watch suryavanchi there's no option to not watch i have to see it it's like uh when avengers came out you had to go see it yeah and and that's going to be all the films that do well in the theaters absolutely like you know that they're going to be a hit before they come out


they're going to be a hit before they come out absolutely um you know but again i i want to highlight the space you're in see i'm also a branding advertising person which is why i mean when when musicians hear songs yeah they're able to break it down and say oh whatever yeah sure and advertising and branding person is able to see brands right in terms of this is how abhishek bachchan is perceived this is how xyz sure uh you're perceived as like a thinking content consumers actor now okay it's it i think you're playing to your strengths there as well like uh okay to give you a sports reference uh your lebron james in la and now you know you've got a play more play-making game than what you used to do in miami all right you got the reference i got it uh not currently with the lakers current forum but yeah okay uh my point is that you're a thinking consumers actor that's what i feel uh my question to you is how do you work that muscle


question to you is how do you work that muscle because i feel like you study a lot of stuff outside of cinema as well like you're someone who studies culture you're someone who knows what's up in the world of social media what's that like because in an actor actresses success i feel there's a lot of other factors other than just the craft you know there's people skills there's x factor there's knowing where to position yourself and the big gift of podcasting is that you get to deep dive into people's minds i'll tell you um i had a rough introduction into the world of films as an actor and i've spoken about it publicly um i've never shied away from it because it happened it was right there i mean if i don't talk about it doesn't mean it didn't happen it's there it said for everyone to see apart from just not being ready or prepared enough or as good enough as i should have been and i admit that to myself today i think also


i admit that to myself today i think also a large contributing factor to that was i was very removed mentally aesthetically from indian cinema make no mistake i grew up on my father's film sets but from the age of nine i was in europe studying so my my formative years my training in acting and the world of cinema and stage from my boarding school days was english was shakespeare was oscar wilde was franz kafka you know was chekhov stanislavski then when you go to acting school you learn the method and all you you're exposed to everything that's western my upbringing my best friends most of my friends till i was till i was 20 21 apart from the few that i had from childhood who i'm still done they were all foreign so all those friends of mine from from boarding school and college were all foreigners so a huge cultural influence of multi cultures from which were not just india and i mean i spent my holidays in india i had a huge


spent my holidays in india i had a huge dollop of that is where my parents ensured that we were in touch with our roots but a large part of the influence was foreign my outlook was that my speech was that i mean my wife tells me today the first time she met me i was actually i think just back from college i was i just started working for my father as a production boy he was making a movie called and i was sent on the location scout to switzerland because i'd grown up there they said oh he'll know the locations let him go and um in those days you know i i was there and and my dear dear friend bobby was shooting his first room or and uh i was at the same location i went to say hi to him and he said i'll come for dinner and uh that was eshwarya's first hindi film and that's the first time i've actually interacted with her and uh whenever she talks about she jokingly said she said i couldn't


about she jokingly said she said i couldn't understand a word of what you're saying because here i was this kid from an international boarding school then went to boston came out and you know i must have had some really heavy access at that point of time and she was like what were you saying so you know my entire i was very foreign in that sense my influences were foreign you know um when you talked about acting you think about you know you had equal dollops of of a david niven and sir lawrence olivier and john gilgood and the great marlon brando in directors you wanted to read elia kazan's work and stuff and that was it you asked me to speak about cinema and about acting at this is what i discussed because that's what i was taught you talk to me about english literally i talked to you about thomas hardy and shakespeare you know [Music] what i didn't realize was i needed to consume a lot more local indian content and i


to consume a lot more local indian content and i didn't take it seriously and i didn't understand the depth of what he was saying when i spoke to my father from college and you know my family was going through a very difficult financial time and i just felt as a son although i might not have been qualified at that point in time but i needed to be with my father i needed to you know even for moral support he's a big guy on moral support he likes to know his families around her i said i just i can't be here sitting in boston when my father's doesn't know how he's going to get dinner and that's how bad it was and he said it publicly you know he had to borrow money from his staff to put food on the table i just felt morally obliged to be with him and i called him and i said uh you know dad i think i want to leave college halfway and and come back and just be with you and try and help


back and just be with you and try and help in whatever way at least you'll know that you're that your boy is next to you and you know he's there for you so he was very emotional he was very touched he was very moved and but he ended the rest of that conversation which obviously i won't dive up but but he said i'm glad because i mean we'd already discussed that i would like to be an actor he said i'm glad come back because shakespeare doesn't work over here and i was like yeah okay and i realized that today so that i was very out of context when i first came here i mean i can't count refugees because jp sub is just a class apart but after that when i came to the industry people were making movies and i was like dude what's up with you guys you know why are you doing this why are you wearing these clothes why are you dancing i don't know you know this isn't cool man this is what is meant


this isn't cool man this is what is meant to be cool but that was like 10 years ago i was doing that when i was 12 13. i know that's not cool this is not the kind of music you should be listening to you know i just had um i i didn't look down upon them i just didn't get it and i realized that i needed to get it so i did the absolute wrong thing is i went for the other end and i said okay i'm going to do the most commercial most loud ever i'm just going to go with that let me get used to it but i'm trying to get used to something that i just don't understand and it took me a lot of time to start accepting it and understanding the brilliance and beauty of it i mean truly the brilliance and beauty of it one of my favorite actors is govinda there's a genius at work over there but you need to understand where he's coming from to somebody who doesn't understand the world


coming from to somebody who doesn't understand the world and context of indian cinema they're not going to understand the genius of govinda [Music] now with time you started getting comfortable in this environment plus that environment has also evolved and now that streaming platforms have come in they've suddenly brought world content at the push of a button india is watching squid game which is from south korea and money heist which is from spain and watching family man at the same time multiple multi cultures that are just clashing in and they're seeing it seamlessly they understand it they've evolved so somewhere i think i have managed to accept and understand what indian audiences truly love and want plus subject matter and the audience has evolved to to understand and accept something which is a bit more universally accepted so the two have kind of met and i think i'm just at the right place at the right time and i've understood and found my chi at the right time in that sense so i


chi at the right time in that sense so i think that's why people you might think that oh you know you look more comfortable than at ease see social media gives the users the ability to break down people yeah heavily people can see abhishek bachchan's feet and tell a lot about what's in his head when we put up a questionnaire about what we should be asking you one of the burning questions was ask him what role he had to play in amitabh bachchan's whole nft situation so be sure we're sure you've had some blockchain education he came and asked me he said but look it's just fantastic that he's always just been such a leader in these things and and who better to do it right i mean when the whole proposal came and we were weighing it out and we were discussing it i said just you have you you're possibly one of the three or four actors that can currently still do it and do it at a large scale i'm sure everybody's going to jump onto


large scale i'm sure everybody's going to jump onto the bandwagon now but you're always going to have that first mover advantage and i'm so happy that he listened and he did it dude you know you keep talking about how your dad is like very humble i'd say the same about you after interacting with you you genuinely have a strong sense of humility and i also feel that um there is some role that you've played in your dad's second innings as well but it's behind the scenes and it's something you don't take credit for no i can't i mean see possibly if we're discussing it possibly because i was around and like like like i said i was talking about dia the other day and i said i saw this new girl with this new language that she was coming in with and i was i'd love to observe it and feed off that energy because it teaches me something new maybe that could be that i just had a different vibe i had a different approach to doing


different vibe i had a different approach to doing things and he might have been reluctant at first but then he said hey wait you know this is a new generation let me just try and accept it maybe i don't know i really don't know but uh and like they say you can you know that's that famous saying i'm not trying to say this about my father but you can only bring a horse to water they have to drink it themselves you can have brilliant inspiration around you you've got to get inspired by yourself one last question before we end this conversation which is that how did you get so deep into tech you're a i mean the whole tech startup world my dad very honestly i remember from my dad's always loved gadgets you know from from his eight millimeter camera when i was a kid to his first vhs video camera to his record players to his stereo systems to his vhs then to his laser display then to the first dvd into the blue he's always been about


first dvd into the blue he's always been about the new gadgets and that i mean seeing that i've always been into it but it's something that's next startup that's that's really interested me now that's that was the foundation of it right another thing that currently i'm really enjoying so that i mean that naturally progresses into a tech starter for example but what really the current zone i'm in is i just love the whole india story you know i'm i revel in the fact that if you can be lucky enough to be part of the india journey and today gone are the days where we felt um sub-par to anybody we're world-class man we're we're world leaders today in every every field and to be a part of that is something that really excites me so currently from even from when we last spoke and we discussed this briefly i'm very excited about and it doesn't have to be just tech can be anything it could be consumer goods can be anything about something that comes from india


goods can be anything about something that comes from india is very indian at heart keeping our culture in mind and we take that to the world yeah so that's something that's a zone like i'm really really excited about right now indians are inherently hustlers and i think in the same way you spoke about how in customers in a good way yeah yeah yeah in a good way the westerners don't understand that kind of um in the same way that you said that international cinema is affecting cinematic mindsets yeah uh international uh tech culture and startup cultures affecting the average indian mindset of yes indian college students so we have like entrepreneurs we know we're 16 years old 17 years old yes we've already sold startups you know i was having this discussion only the other day about um a story we were just having a story sitting and talking about it and talking about um a story about about a couple who are highly qualified and but unemployed so the the mudda that we wanted to


unemployed so the the mudda that we wanted to discuss was unemployment and how you know it's it's a huge burden because you you might be brilliant uh you've educated yourself you've come in the top two percentile of the countries there but you might not get a job and you're unemployed and we hear these you know really sad stories of mba students who are doing clerical work you know being a pune somewhere being doing a delivery job or driving an uber and when this this example was given i said we can't make this film so the creative team i was sitting with they said why i said did you hear what you just said you have an mba student who's working as a delivery boy or writing they're not unemployed today's generation if you are unemployed you're a loser nobody's employing you start your own business and get on with it yeah i think that's the thing that has changed literally like in the last five years with if you see the the burgeoning of startups in


if you see the the burgeoning of startups in india what is that indians who are always working and our work ethic is unbelievable you know i mean it's like the story of 7-11 i was told that the store 7011 in america was started by an indian because the only ones were willing to open at seven and shut at 11. because our work ethic is such you know we will work 24 hours a day if we have to yeah today if you're unemployed your generation the youth the 18 to 22 year olds are going to be like why start something for yourself so that whole i mean it's i mean it's so weird five years ago unemployment was such a big topic today if you're unemployed and it's a huge issue but today you're also expected to say okay nobody's giving you a chance create your own chance my generation would have never thought like that yeah yeah abhishek bachchan talking to you is is great dude like thank you genuinely thank you like i


dude like thank you genuinely thank you like i was looking forward to meeting you in person when we've done our last interaction and doing another episode and you gave me like you know sort of a sequel um you know i'm gonna kind of cross a line with you yeah and just say that you're not gonna kiss me or anything but uh i i've been i've been thinking about you and your family just you know as human beings since we last spoke because of the insights you gave me and you guys in many ways are surrounded by blessings but i also feel that a movie can be made in your life because of everything i've gone through and i feel like that's why god keeps giving you guys things dude because you'll have maintained the humility through it all so just i mean that that's all i wanted to say god bless you dude thank you you've just got the best energy and from a career perspective i can't wait to see everything that you do thank you


can't wait to see everything that you do thank you i hope you like it as i said you know exactly how to hit the mark be it bob biswas on z5 or be it any of your other projects it's going to be good people know this about you and or the audiences love you well thank you for giving me this opportunity no for real thank you thank you appreciate it as we said no more no so we just got done with the podcast um abhishek has just left this room he's one of those people whose energy like really rubs off on you and what i said about humility on the episode i truly mean that he's the same guy in front of the camera and the same guy behind the camera and that's why so many of you guys are drawn to him that's why so many people in india generally drawn to are generally so in love with abhishek bachchan i also strongly feel that this is only the beginning for him uh projects like bob biswas


the beginning for him uh projects like bob biswas it's just a part of what he's going to do going forward but make sure you check out this project it's looking extremely promising remember it's on z5 on the 3rd of december and make sure you follow the runway show on spotify every episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world here's looking forward to even more in-person conversations with abhishek bachchan and a bunch of other film stars please tell us in the comment section or on our social media who else would you guys like to see featured on the runway show we will definitely try our best to bring them on please give guests suggestions i'm expecting a bunch of guest suggestions sent in to us in the comment section and on our social media remember we're going up to two episodes a week now therefore lots more podcasts lost some more information lots more beautiful conversation and lots more positive vibes see you soon goodbye that's it switch it off


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we've already hosted dr sid wario on the runway show where he highlighted the positive aspects of neuroscience how do you hack your own brain for productivity etc etc this particular episode was deeper because we spoke about the dark aspects of neuroscience and trust me there are many dark aspects as you age as you go through experiences in life your brain is constantly being molded into different versions of itself that's what we've highlighted what's going to happen to you going forward are you going to encounter any kind of brain problems what can you do to prevent those brain problems what am i going through personally what's doctor said going through personally what's the world going through personally if you enjoyed the movie shutter island i think you're going to enjoy this particular episode of the redmi show remember to follow the renovation on spotify we're a spotify exclusive now every episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world ever since i saw shutter island i always


world ever since i saw shutter island i always wanted to create a podcast on insanity this is that podcast and i hope you enjoy it as much as i enjoyed learning from dr said wario enjoy yourselves [Music] dr sid warrior welcome back to the runway show brother thank you man doctors said there's a nice gimmick uh to kind of put out there um the first episode we did honestly blew my mind like it was just crazy but we spoke about everything from a very good boy good girl perspective this is how you live your life and i feel like especially when it comes to new neuroscience there's a whole dark side where i know that modern day neuroscience and i spoke to dr balan jalal about this on this show uh modern day neuroscience of course we're exploring lots of different aspects of the brain but something that's come to the forefront is a study about psychedelics like ayahuasca peyote shrooms etc the second is things like neural link you


etc the second is things like neural link you know devices that we're putting into our heads that are simulating maybe drug experiences maybe pleasure without actually us inducing those drugs and pleasures also neuralink fixes i mean the basic uh purpose of neuralink being created is to fix certain aspects that go wrong with the brain yeah and what would you say is a third kind of area of interest would you say understanding psychosis more or you know understanding dementia more alzheimer's more these things so in our understanding of the brain the doorway into understanding initially has been disease you don't know what one part of the brain does until something has gone wrong with it so some of the classic cases was um there was a there was a patient called phineas gage who had a rod go through his brain and it only injured one part of his frontal lobe and everything else was fine he was able to walk around look around but he his personality changed entirely so that's when they realized that oh your


so that's when they realized that oh your frontal lobe is responsible for your personality because till then how would you know what happened to his personality he was behaving erratically he was forgetting things there was another case where um have you seen this movie 50 first dates yeah so that happens when certain parts of your brain get damaged you keep forgetting you are you are only able to retain a memory for some time so all our initial understanding of the brain came from diseases so something going wrong with the brain i'd also like to highlight an anecdote uh basically i i heard that especially the field of neuroscience evolved a lot after world war one yeah and this is because a lot of soldiers were using a new kind of rifle which is new for that period of history so basically the guns before world war one the way those guns were built was that if i shoot a bullet into your head right now it will not leave your head but it will go on your head and kind


head but it will go on your head and kind of explode out from the other side yeah so when it leaves your head from the end it'll be like one big like explosion of blood and brains but in world war one the guns that were used had faster bullets which could just go through your head and come out through a hole on the other side now one more surgical yeah precision yeah let's see so if you hit someone straight in the middle of the brain they're dead but say you miss hitting the center of the brain and you only hit a part of the brain so the bull is gone from one end and leaves your brain from the other end then it's just kind of cut off a part of your brain so after world war one the world of neuroscience figured that the bullet has entered this side of the brain and the guy is alive but he can't speak now then therefore this part of the brain was probably responsible for speech it's entered this side and now he can't see so


entered this side and now he can't see so probably this part of the brain is responsible for eyesight exactly uh world war one basically helped neuroscience a lot in a very morbid way so you had guys with holes in their head who are still alive and through studying their behaviors you learn more about the brain most of most of our knowledge comes from mistakes or accidents initially because we don't have that capacity to run experiments at that time the next big break breakthrough happened through psychedelics okay ironically which is because around in the early part of 19th century 20th century uh 1915-20 that was the time when a lot of these psychedelic drugs were discovered lsd was one of the major breakthroughs the guy who discovered it i think he was german or swiss and he was working for a petrol company i believe and he was just running experiments on different drugs and one day he was cycling home and he found he was tripping he had no idea why


he found he was tripping he had no idea why but he and he because he was a scientist he came home and he wrote down everything that he was going through and he figured out that he was experimenting with four five drugs that on that day and one of them must have slipped in through his finger skin and gotten absorbed in the blood and that is when they discovered lsd and it found they found out that lsd was the strongest psychedelic at that time because a 0.02 milligram could send you on a trip and then they ran experiments more and that is how they found out this whole system in the body called as serotonin before that they didn't even know that there was something called serotonin and now serotonin is the major drug it's the major hormone all your depression anxiety everything is managed by serotonin so the whole serotonin network our knowledge of that we owe to lsd i think in the last episode dopamine was the hero of the episode we spoke about how success


the hero of the episode we spoke about how success and all that is related to dopamine uh but how is serotonin also controlling anxiety and these things serotonin the whole serotonin network has a it's very complex but to put it in a very simple way serotonin controls dopamine so when you talk of impulsiveness serotonin allows you to be calmer serotonin allows you to take a step back value things how much how important is this thing to you do you really need to do this action should you say this dopamine says go for it you'll get a kick out of it just do it serotonin says rook soch so if your serotonin and dopamine levels are on balance you are a balanced person if your serotonin levels are low you will be more and more impulsive it's crazy how personality types actually boil down to just levels of hormones so if there is an impulse buyer for example so if you find yourself going on amazon just to browse and you find something you like do you add


browse and you find something you like do you add to card do you buy now decided by your both of them will give you dopamine but serotonin will decide are you able to put it off for later or will you go for a dress now is it like the body's way of you said that uh if the settlement levels are low it means you're impulsive yeah so is that impulse a form of trying to raise your serotonin levels because serotonin is a feel-good hormone no serotonin itself is not a feel-good hormone serotonin is a i like to think of it as a balancing hormone dopamine is the feel-good hormone but serotonin controls the dopamine levels because the problem with dopamine is as soon as it goes high it goes down also that rapidly what people need to understand about the hormonal system is that the secretion of one hormone is usually dependent on another hormone think of it like five six seesaws in your brain all of them controlling each other