think the larger purpose is um that men have a space where they can open up they can talk about their vulnerabilities they can talk about what they are going through without thinking this person is going to judge me this person is going to see me as a weak man there's going to this person is like yeah admiration these are the common things that you would say to a man so the idea is for men if they're going through something to speak up and secondly bring about a change in the system where men are not presumed guilty and they're not punished from the word go when a woman complains against them or stronger laws very very strong laws to punish the misusers and also laws that could give some relief to the man not going too much into the depth but just yesterday there's a man in bhopal just a 22 year old guy who ended his life leaving three suicide videos saying you know he had gotten married just four days ago i don't know what happened in his life


ago i don't know what happened in his life haven't investigated the case but this is what he said these were his last words and this of course is not just the case i've made this documentary india's sons on false rape case victims there's a suicide case in that also where arvind bharti said that you know a man is presumed guilty a man is born criminal and the justice system is just so against men and like i said always ipc 498 was brought in 1983 very stringent law people used to get arrested immediately and all of that happened 30 years down the line in 2005 supreme court called misuse of ipc 498a as legal terrorism you know and then in 2014 some guidelines were brought in to prevent immediate arrests then in 2017 again supreme court said that you know people are just not stopping misusing this law so a law brought for a purpose needs to solve that purpose and if it's being misused it just loses its purpose unfortunately that is now


it just loses its purpose unfortunately that is now happening with rape laws and that's why i start i made india's sons because rape is such a highness crime you cannot can not afford to uh make a mockery out of it by having false allegations and unfortunately they're just too many you know the capitalist in me has to wake up a little bit at this point and direct listeners and viewers of this podcast to immediately go follow deepika uh that's the least we can do especially the men out there like i want the your at least your social media followings through our medium to go 10x after this thank you so much you know the truth about financing journeys like this is that social media can be used as a weapon i'm telling you if we put a link under this as a fundraiser uh even that will find a lot of people who'll be willing to be a part of your journey at least financially because there's a lot of guys who feel strongly about what you're doing


of guys who feel strongly about what you're doing uh often i know i know that even after this comes out there's there'll be a lot of people who'll not go through the entire podcast kind of quote us out of context and there will be kind of like a backlash on it but uh these conversations need to be put out there even shruti is a producer on the show uh his best friend actually went through a parallel situation where a middle-class boy very young had to uh pay off someone uh with five lakh rupees and that that girl was cheating on him with someone she ran away she eloped with that guy but this guy was like forced to pay up so you know while we talk about 498a as uh the guy being uh jailed etc it can even be used as a threat to extort people from oh absolutely uh that i'll put this on you absolutely absolutely in fact one of the biggest motivation for false accusations is money you know and and in saying all this


is money you know and and in saying all this and while we've spoken about 498a in detail for more information i want people to um actually go watch the documentary absolutely so i'm going to link everything down below but uh when i look at a problem maybe it's the engineer in me i try going actually to the source of the problem the source of the problem is choosing wrong partners and the source of that problem is not being emotionally aware as a man and not being able to read situations read early red flags read early signs and that's actually what i'd want to tackle the only reason i feel like i'm slightly more emotionally aware than my male counterparts is because of this podcast and because of speaking to evolved women like yourself um you know the deeper you go first of all honestly i feel women's minds are much more complex than male minds and this i'm saying as a podcaster in a good way yeah yeah absolutely i i i agree totally agree with that there's


i i i agree totally agree with that there's many more layers of thought guys are like very functional yes like and and you know the thing is even because of the kind of job you do creating these documentaries interacting with people who are a part of this whole situation i'm sure you've learned a lot about men you've learned a lot about women yeah so let's talk about the source of the problem which is emotional awareness for guys we've made videos you know on a hindi channel especially about how to choose the right girl for yourself and videos like that blow up because we package it like what guys look for in girls it's very like bubble gum but the underlying purpose behind those videos was situations like this that listen bro become emotionally aware so that you don't have to go through a bad relationship again 498 a.m situations like this are a peak version of like a bad relationship but there are lesser layers like i've i've been with people who weren't the right partners for


been with people who weren't the right partners for me you know i've had like a tiny amount of like that when i was much younger um there was someone who used to like physically hit me as well so and and that time i didn't even know that this these kind of situations exist um and a little bit after that you know i've been with people who were the wrong partners who were probably cheating on me throughout didn't know what no later but these are soft versions of suffering i've been through but let's talk about emotional awareness and that's where i feel conversations like this can help men out there to just become slightly more emotionally aware um a lot of young men and boys are still living in that ancient uh idea of how a woman or a girl is while women have progressed a lot emotionally financially in practical aspects they know what they want right a lot of women are very very aware of what they want right now especially from a man especially from a relationship right but


especially from a man especially from a relationship right but men are still i completely agree with you they're very practical very focused you know problem solution right emotional uh aspects they think very less and again going back to the same point uh the idea is all women are good you know so they do not they do not even want to see red flags like i have uh i have dealt with men who had so many red flags after the engagement or just when they met the girl but they did not they just believed whatever she said after that to you know uh hide whatever her lies or you know whatever truth came out in front of the man and this man still went ahead and got into the marriage and then you know suffered later so something that i really want to tell men all men out there especially the young boys uh see a lot of men say you know has marriage lost its purpose meant what what is left for men in marriage especially with such biased laws in uh such skewed uh perspectives particularly


biased laws in uh such skewed uh perspectives particularly legally and if you uh unfortunately get caught into the legal system then there's you know endless suffering especially for a man what i really want to tell all the men out there there's no formula that you would be protected from such allegations or you will not go through there's no formula let me be very honest there's no formula for a woman there's no formula for a man it's a formula where you can you know you can uh tick mark five six things and you ensure that your marriage is gonna work or you're not gonna get into legal soup there's no formula but what's very important and this is not just for men this is for women as well you have evolved as human beings you have evolved in genders you have evolved in your roles you have evolved in what you want from life your aspirations goals and everything be very clear about that before marriage especially men have conversations have conversation very very focused conversations with your partner does


have conversation very very focused conversations with your partner does she want to live with your parents after the marriage yes no do you want her to live with your parents after the marriage yes no are you okay if she is going to leave her job to take care of the kid for one or two years yes or no do you think she is going to move along with you if you get transferred to another city and you know probably take a move in her job even if she's doing really well in her job yes or no does she expect you to move with her her where if her job is really great if does she expect you to uh you know financially support her parents that is also happening these days right the women have would have expectations that you support my sister's education you support my brother's education all of these things are happening they just don't come out right then there are a lot of families right now where there would be only daughter and naturally she would have a lot of you know


and naturally she would have a lot of you know uh concern for her parents right but then eventually the system is that she has moved in with her husband husband and his family but then she would want to take care of them as well now there's nothing wrong in that but then there has to be a balance drawn somewhere what if that balance goes wrong you know so the point i'm trying to make is whatever the realities of your life are you as a man and she as a woman and again repeating this is not just for men for women as well please make it clear before marriage because uh it is so much of suffering it is so much of suffering to go all of through all of these legal battles and later fight like enemies and then ruin your life in court that it's just not worth it especially for men bodhisatti i would say because like i said women have evolved a lot and it's not just metropolitan cities that i'm talking about chotishero maybe they


cities that i'm talking about chotishero maybe they know what they want and if they don't get what they want ranveer that's where problems happen so i was just talking to a guy yesterday from ghaziabad his wife has filed all kind of cases on him and he said ma'am you have given me a lot of inspiration i'm fighting back but you know things move so slowly and things like that we were talking and so what is the problem and he said she and her family is just so dominating they want me to live the life on the rules that they have you know defined for me and i'm not able to do that i i they did not she did not want to live with my parents my parents said okay to maram say you you know both stay together but still like her parents would interfere so much that it started creating so many problems and then she preferred to then move with her parents and then uh you know live her life rather than be with me and she's put


her life rather than be with me and she's put all of these false cases on me and you have no answer to them but to say that you fight back so it's very important for men see people can say all of these things sexist hair yeah if the man is expecting her to you know uh be with the in-laws or the man chooses that i'm going to be with my parents i'm the only son i want to be with my parents i want to support them in their old age and the woman may not be okay with that she would want to have an independent life there's nothing wrong with that there's nothing wrong with this but you need to have a common understanding on whatever you want from your life when you are together as a couple it's very important to discuss all of that yeah you've said some very important things um i want to highlight the fact that uh it is important if possible date people when you're younger oh yes absolutely this teaches you so much about yourself and what


this teaches you so much about yourself and what you need from relationships and everybody is different absolutely in saying that you had you had something that you just said about the fact that we can't point out exact rules in terms of how do you choose a partner for yourself you also said one more interesting thing that men think less about emotional things men are very functional they are thinking about sports their friends business career you know cars music these kind of things and everything is very functional uh after speaking to a lot of women i've realized more women on an average think about love think about relationships think about marriage poetry uh art things like that i feel that when you actually sit alone and go into deep thought or write what you're thinking you're able to dive into your own brain and that's what more men need to do yeah they need to kind of definitely have those career conversations even write about those think about those that helps being your analytical self helps in your career but apply a little bit of


helps in your career but apply a little bit of that analysis to your emotional side absolutely how are you feeling right now how is being single making you feel how's your last breakup making you feel how do you feel about your parents how do you feel about your future wife have you not met anyone what do you want from that person and this will only happen when men begin to talk to the women nearest to them their moms their sisters about topics other than their career or you know surface level [ __ ] you need to go to three layers deep that's how you become more emotionally aware as a man and also i would still nudge you and myself to try listing out certain uh kind of rules like you one of them was the fact that you said have detailed conversations you know people don't have detailed conversations because there is this narrative all over society which says uh that no stay in the moment don't think about the future but a life decision like your job or a life decision


a life decision like your job or a life decision like your marriage you have to have futuristic conversations you have to chalk out your life five years from now ten years from now twenty years from now think about all the possible problems that can be there ideally on paper for guys because guys aren't able to think about emotional things in space so write everything down discuss it with your partner uh and and of course while i'm talking to guys here this applies to women as well yeah absolutely absolutely all these very important um but what else what else would you add to that table in terms of red flags for me i feel that um when your friends tell you someone's not right for you that's a very very sharp and clear-cut indicator uh i've seen this with my friends in bad relationships i've seen it with myself when i had bad relationships a lot of my friends are telling me don't be with this person not right for you good person but just not right for you and eventually it broke


just not right for you and eventually it broke um so your friends have a good gauge of who is right for you or who is not family same uh so listen to them secondly i'd like to give you some masculine perspective on love okay uh the truth is i feel women in love are nicer creatures in terms of they look for meaning they look for support and they're very sure of what they want they want more ethereal things from their partner a lot of guys are often after the looks like if the girl is pretty that's more than half the battle one yeah and every guy has a subjective definition of what looks good uh but if that particular girl crosses a certain threshold of their version or their definition of good looks usually they'll up too now if the girl wants to build on top of that the girl basically i'll tell you one more thing i've noticed about indian guys not so much guys abroad but a lot of indian guys want that little tlc from their uh


indian guys want that little tlc from their uh ladies i mean i'm sure even ladies want the same yeah you want someone to take care of you yeah of course tender loving care like very uh like you kind of a lot of indian guys i have noticed at least in my own friend circles they kind of want a bit of a mom in a relationship which says a lot about our society which i don't think is right i think you should not look for a parent in a relationship you should look for a relationship in a relationship yeah but in most cases this is what i've seen that if the girl looks good to a certain degree and if she's very sweet to the guy and takes care of him initially in the relationship most guys like fall flat and then they don't listen to family members they don't listen to their friends and often i have noticed that those relationships break but please correct me if i'm wrong or anything like that have you noticed any other patterns uh there are a lot


you noticed any other patterns uh there are a lot of patterns ranveer but again since i am i come a lot from the legal space as well inc along with the emotional space um i think each case has its own you know specific yeah unique specifics uh it we can tie up all a lot of researches and all of lot of analysis into one thing uh but again repeating there's no formula as such but you brought out a very important point your friends your family they know you they know you in and out you may be in a zone where you are you know completely in love obsessed and everything can't see through shades and everything even the if there are visible you know red flags you wouldn't see that but yes you must you should listen to people who know you the best uh that's very important more than that what i am seeing a lot happening nowadays ranveer is these um like love care all of those things are fine marriage a long-term marriage now i'm not married so people would


long-term marriage now i'm not married so people would probably question me how is she giving gyan on marriage but then i've seen endless marriages falling apart so i perhaps probably i think you're an authority on the subject so i i wouldn't call myself an authority but then yes i have endless experience of especially why i didn't work so that gives you a lot of uh context yeah perspective into what could have worked or what could make things work the most important thing for you when you choose a partner is if you're absolutely comfortable in each other's skin on a daily basis it's not about the job that they have the kind of career that they have and all of those jazzes but just you being with that person on a daily basis what i mean by that is your habits what you do what your lifestyle your friend circle friend circle is so important like i see so many marriages breaking down right now because the guy has a certain friend circle the girl completely abhors that she


certain friend circle the girl completely abhors that she wants to you know control him not to be with those kind of friends uh or vice versa the girl the guy also just hating the friend circle that the girl has family values family lifestyle what what are the basic things that you believe in what is your basic living style i think all of these are very important uh now it's very easy to talk about these things but the practical challenges are most of marriages in india still arrange marriages so this is not just for men and women out there this is also for parents it is very important in today's time to let your kids have a conversation get to know each other for quite some time before they actually decide to get married because before marriage you can still sort a lot of things but after marriage once of course it has happened then the separation then brings a lot of miseries i'm just i'm scanning all i'm actually like short of for like i don't know what to say


short of for like i don't know what to say right now because this is one of the heaviest topics we've done on the show uh and i have more questions for you of course uh but what i love about this particular episode is that we're putting out protection tools out there for both men and women you know it's a fact there's no denial there's so much of suffering that women go through but what has happened over the last couple of years in which i feel terribly sad about you know we as women are talking about equality you know we are empowered we are this we are that we can do everything we are in no ways we are lesser than men but when it comes to a situation when you are you know opposite a man and then you are in a fight with each other then the sudden vulnerability victimhood you know that i'm the victim i'm i cannot i'm a woman and then then things go by from there what i feel very pained about is that the


there what i feel very pained about is that the laws that were made to protect women are incentivizing uh women to use these as tools of extortion or revenge or you know weapon or extortion and that kind of thing and that kind of thing you know you know you see what i'll do with you right now that's something that i have a problem with yeah um you know i think sadguru had something he spoke um in one of his seminars he said he had worked with criminals he had gone to a jail and met a lot of criminals and what he figured there is that they weren't bad human beings but they had made bad decisions yeah so somewhere even with these kind of situations it's very easy to paint the women as bad human beings yeah but maybe they were in a state of mind which made them make a bad decision i'm sure that's something you've seen absolutely yeah yeah that's exactly what i'm saying that you know when you uh for example there's so


that you know when you uh for example there's so many cases that i've seen in fact now strangely people don't know this but you know i've often put out on social media there are a lot of women who come to me and they said my lawyer is advising me this really yeah like there was a girl who had reached out to me who was advised to file a rape case on the man she was in relationship for the 10 years and i told her you know uh do you think that you know they broke up of course and the man uh went with another woman and there was sort of kind of cheating on and stuff like that but i asked the first thing do you think you were raped she said no i was not organization that is asking her to you know book him for a rape case and i said do you want that from your life do you think that putting that man in jail on a rape charge would heal you or do you think that you can work upon


you or do you think that you can work upon yourself make your life better and that would heal you much more and she came back to me i said if you want to go file a case i will not stop you i'm nobody to judge the suffering that you have gone through or what has happened to you but please ask yourself was it a rape and second thing whatever case you want to file please don't lie say the exact truth i today on your show i'm saying women who go through anything if they want to take a legal recourse please do that's your right but don't lie fight on your merits and fight on your truth but don't lie so yes there are a lot of women who do this were not bad human beings a lot of circumstances that would you know would have pushed them to do so there were a lot of would have been a lot of misguidance that they you know could have made them do so but the thing is the law is giving them a


but the thing is the law is giving them a cushion or a safety net that even when they lie and even when they present the things in not the way they were they are immune from any repercussion [Music] we expect a certain kind of sanity and rationality from every adult right at least from adults not minors adults so i think that kind of an expectation is okay to have from women also you know there's very very few podcasts that i'm not comfortable doing and on the schedule this was one of them okay and this happens maybe once in three months and i'm trying to actually increase that frequency because these are the conversations which help me grow as a person and uh you know these are the conversations which are really useful for the internet like i can have a conversation like that with a bollywood actor of course but to have these kind of conversations it requires research thought perspective all these things yeah um so uh i'm it was so easy speaking with you and that says a


was so easy speaking with you and that says a lot about you i've noticed so much like tolerance in your head like that and tolerance from both your own personal life situation and from your own professional life because my professional life is doing this rarely do i have a conversation that will make me uncomfortable mostly it's relaxed conversations where people vent etc uh but your professional life is you constantly being fed suffering from some way or the others trauma somewhere your laws breaking somebody um how you like traversing through life like how are you going through has it made you stronger do you constantly get strong and does tolerance increase with time one thing that has helped me understand this entire situation and actually traverse through every situation that come across to me is maybe it sounds funny but i do realize that life is messed up right we are with so much information with so much of um fast paced life i would say somewhere probably we don't know what we want from life you


probably we don't know what we want from life you know and because of that there are just so many things happening around in a nutshell what has helped me the most is there's so much of trauma that comes to me there's so much of suffering that comes to me but again like we were talking uh before the podcast ranveer the idea is to save lives and i know it's a very difficult job i can i can confidently say on your show today that i've saved so many lives and today just yesterday there's a guy who was almost going to kill himself in delhi and me my friend amit lakhani he's also a activist on men's issues he we were like we did everything possible to get that man out of that situation he landed our patents he actually we didn't have his address dwarka is a huge place i just had a small inkling a nearby area this man actually went around and roamed around to find his house and when he landed at


around to find his house and when he landed at his house he was in complete dark there was a rope we saved his life he was he was this huge he was he had such long beard at probably 32 he looked like a 52. today he's such a smart man and he's helping others get out of that zone right so it's it's a support group that we are creating and its lives we are saving i have a lot of breakdowns i cry a lot a lot of times uh particularly because um i don't know what am i doing with my life what am i making of my life i know i'm what i'm doing is immensely important but there are some times when you tend to question do you think there will be a change do you think you will actually have a very fruitful result with all the hard work that you're putting in what's the change that you're looking at what's the change that's going to come and will you ever be able to achieve it and at the cost


ever be able to achieve it and at the cost of what because there's a lot of sacrifice there's a sacrifice of time there's sacrifice of your parents expectations uh there's a sacrifice to what your parents thought your life is would have been with the kind of person and the talents and the education and everything that you have uh but like i said at the end of the day it's more about um saving lives and i know i am so that's something that just keeps me moving every day this is something i learned from army folks who've been on the show military folks even if they save one life that's the highlight of the entire career yeah so think about it from that perspective think about how many army careers you've lived you know through your own job taking away nothing from the military uh that brings me to the conversation that i was having with a very senior colonel who i recently had a chance to interact with he's facing a false rape accusation


interact with he's facing a false rape accusation right now and i'm not going to name him i'm not going to take everything but i know as a matter of fact i've looked at all the evidences that's how investigator case and it's an absolutely uh bogus rape case now when we got talking he saw martyrs of marriage and things like that we got into a conversation he told me there are so many men in the army who are going through these matrimonial disputes and false accusations and these are forces which are at the extreme or the most sensitive areas it is so so uh distressing that mentally they are in so much of trauma because at home their parents are suffering there are court dates and things like that and there is no excuse you may be the best guy fighting an army for the nation and everything when you sacrifice your life oh my god people you know salute you and things like that but right now there's so many men in the


that but right now there's so many men in the army who are going through false accusations and there's no recourse for them there's no i'm not saying they cannot do wrong if somebody is an army that man can never be wrong of course he can be wrong he can be a criminal also he can do all sorts of things but can you listen to his side of the story if he's saying he's innocent so uh that that that brought me and it's uh so this person who's very senior folk in bsf he spoke to me about how many so many men are ending their life by suicide gotten the concerns that i deal with and it's very sad [Music] what drives a man's mind specifically to suicide because they say that about three-fourths of all suicides worldwide are committed by men it's something in that range i don't it's not the exact number something around the 70 75 mark i believe in india the suicide numbers are really high uh one third of


the suicide numbers are really high uh one third of the world suicides of by women are from india one-fourth of uh world suicide of men are from india so uh in fact last year uh there was a national helpline for uh on mental health issues that was started and seventy percent of the men calling on that helpline were men and the increase in the suicide rate of men has increased drastically over the last few years why according to you uh i'll be very honest i'll stick to my area of expertise ranveer and which is the legal issues and the relationship issues and the matrimonial battles that i see people dealing with of course there are a lot of other issues uh financial distress jobs career divorces and and a lot of other reasons illness there are myriad reasons but when it comes to this legal uh aspect which i personally deal with unfortunately there's no documentation like we know how many women are die by suicide or how many women are going through matrimonial cruelty


how many women are going through matrimonial cruelty because we have numbers in 498a we have statistics on domestic violence act we have civic statistics on rape molestation all of that the problem is that we do not have any laws for men right the domestic violence act doesn't recognize men as victims 498 cannot be filed by a man even if he's physically brutally assaulted he even if he's mentally put to the extreme forms of cruelty even if he drives himself to suicide he cannot file a phone there cannot be a 498 a on a woman so statistics is quite a problem uh it's particularly in the areas that i deal with which is my biggest challenge that when people ask me what's the extent what's the spectrum what are the numbers my biggest challenge is i don't have the numbers because we don't have the laws if the if we had the laws we could present you some numbers because in the world uh they have gender neutral domestic violence act they have gender neutral


gender neutral domestic violence act they have gender neutral rape laws gender neutral sexual harassment provisions so they have numbers and there are considerable number of men there's considerable percentage of the victims that are male victims but we don't have that in india now coming back to suicide and why so many men are killing themselves i think hopelessness particularly in the area that i deal with they don't see a way through social shame people saying nobody willing to listen no spaces for them and also the something that we all know men have so much of responsibility of the families of the kids of their wives of their parents they are loaded so much with responsibility that if they are not able to fulfill those those responsibilities they think themselves as failures i personally feel that's the biggest reason why so many men are dying by suicide and more than the numbers or why they are dying i think there is dire need to focus on men's mental health there's dire need to tell them that you're


health there's dire need to tell them that you're not weak if you're talking about your problem you're not a weak lesser of a man if you're being harassed by a woman and you're not able to deal with it or harassed by a man not able to deal with it talking about your suffering and pain or even crying for it is not a sign of weakness at all and you can let yourself be you can tell your problems to people and don't fear that you will be judged as a man yesterday i had tweeted why do we not take pain and suffering of men's as seriously as we take of women and most of the responses was this that we fear judgment we fear that people are going to call us weak we are not sure if our sharing would actually lead to some solution or probably bring us more problems and we fear that people are going to distance themselves from us because they see us as somebody who's not able to deal with the problems and another thing


not able to deal with the problems and another thing which is very important is women can cry out can share their pain with their friends and you know they have empathy and acceptance men because they fear judgment and they fear that they're going to be called weak a lot of men take it to alcohol substance abuse and so many and then they i have personally come across so many men who would think that alcohol is the solution of every problem and they would just want to forget through that which is a problem in itself i mean that conversation can go on a long oh yes viral alcoholism all that but yeah again i'll give you the masculine perspective here this is probably a limited perspective because i'm talking about urban india which is where i have lived out 99 of my life um we need to teach young boys how to cry and we need to teach young boys how to vocalize yeah i also feel to some degree it's easier to train someone under the age of 25


easier to train someone under the age of 25 in these things and i use the word train like in ranvier see this is something that you know i deal with men talking to me and sharing their problems on a daily basis like every day that is my job i counsel so many men i counsel so many family members up it's good that we are telling men open up you can cry you can share your problems but are we actually have we conditioned ourselves to listen to them ourselves as in who as in the society we cannot just tell men that you can open up and you can cry and you can be yourself have we conditioned or have we trained ourselves that we are going to not judge them maybe my answer to that is i mean i i'm not questioning you what i'm saying it's a simultaneous process i i hear you uh it's only through uh content firstly according because i feel content drives culture and my content i don't mean youtube videos i mean films and television music uh


mean youtube videos i mean films and television music uh of course podcast that's all that we can do right now because if you really scan a man's day what is he doing he's going to work he's hanging out with his friends family and this private time he's probably consuming some kind of content yeah absolutely so if we have more conversations like this and this is a reason because of which they say that gen z like kids born after 1998 99 are much more sensitive they're much more aware of themselves because they've consumed that much more content that's all we can hope for yeah absolutely i mean it probably stops there yeah i mean but there is no there is absolutely no doubt uh women need to learn a lot from men and men need to learn a lot from women because both have their own strengths and weaknesses and if we can take from each other we can be better people we can be better human beings and like you said in the beginning it helps in your career also it


the beginning it helps in your career also it helps you deal with everything in life like if we if i have taken certain strengths or traits from my brother or from my father and which has helped me in every phase of life i'm sure my brother has also learned a lot of things from me and this is there's not brother sister relationship this is this is a man woman learning from each other kind of a thing so absolutely agree with you there's a lot of things that we can learn from each other in if those traits make you a better human being then why not i mean femininity has is is not a weakness i think it's a lot of strength yeah 100 uh i think this is a nice end to the podcast as well i'd love for you to just highlight the strengths i won't say strengths of men and women considering all the genders i'm going to call it feminine strengths and masculine strengths what do you think are some feminine strengths that men


do you think are some feminine strengths that men can learn from and masculine strengths that women can learn from from your own experience i think um one of the biggest things that i have perhaps learned from men is to get to the solution and not cry over the problem and something that i think men can learn greatly from women is to let it go or to empathize and just to just be there like what sorry problems there's somebody to listen to us you know and we can let ourselves out so a lot of women actually go through as a woman i can tell you a lot of problems we solve a lot of problems by just sharing like just woman to woman talk you know just let it go and uh be at be at ease don't think who's going to judge us and things like that and be vulnerable i think men could learn that and deal with a lot of things that they go through that ways i love what you said about letting it go yeah it's something that i am also trying


it go yeah it's something that i am also trying to learn in life and it i think it comes from a place of a strong masculine identity and masculine ego uh that they say that any motivation to do anything in life comes from only two places fear and or love yeah um so and ideally i mean as much as possible you should be drawing your motivation from a place of love that's difficult when you've had a broken marriage a broken relationship broken family life so most men feed into getting their motivation from fear of water society thing if i don't do it fear of failing fear of rejection all these things and they use those as um kind of tools to forward their careers forward their journeys but uh why can't you switch that to love for your family for your friends for society for your teams yeah uh maybe that's the narrative in saying that i mean this is just even i'm learning to let go of of things and what he said about letting it go it's


and what he said about letting it go it's on so many levels it's about letting go of your own emotions of your own lies that you're telling yourself your own narratives you're telling yourself uh and letting go of just the situation in itself stop taking it on your ego uh a very close friend of mine sarwan buncha he's a nice sparsi boy and what i learned from him was uh once i dated someone and she broke up with me and till that point in my love life no one had ever broken up with me it was always and it really hurt my teenage ego or my early 20s ego and he made me sit down and he told me that stop like letting it hit your ego and take rejection like a man yeah and that was such a turning point for me i think we define too many things uh in in the sense of take it as a man take it as a man take it as a man condition [Music] there is no other way that


man condition [Music] there is no other way that they think there is to a situation you know it's it's a key it's a key to getting to a guy's head when the guy wakes up like oh okay yeah i'll take it as a man that's probably what worked for him he was trying to tell me that learn how to accept rejection in life another yeah whatever he said take it right okay no but something that you said uh i i was thinking about this in my head it's been going on that this podcast has been uh you know difficult or you know kind of one of the not like the other podcast which have been easy let's put it that way but the whole purpose i like i am i don't know how the reaction to your podcast be i'm very very you started the show you know um having a lot of gratitude for me coming on your show but let me sort of move towards the end having immense gratitude to you for inviting me on your show because in


to you for inviting me on your show because in my world i think i'm the most misunderstood person out there as a public persona because people think i am anti-woman and i am against women's rights or something like that now people who project me as that of course have their own agendas and it doesn't bother me anymore but one thing that i want to convey through you to a very large audience that you have is the only thing that i am perhaps looking at is equality in its real sense where we do not have rights and wrongs on the basis of a gender and the biggest thing is if you're talking about equal rights we got to talk about equal responsibilities as well and if you're going to make men responsible for the coming generations for them to be very nice and kind and uh not wrong women we equally need to talk about women not doing the same to men as well and i don't think there is anything wrong in that like uh for somebody to think that talking about


like uh for somebody to think that talking about men's issues is uh not required right now or we do not really need to talk about men suffering at the hands of women because women have suffered for so long and um you know what is the number of men who suffer my question to people is only this okay i will not talk about it right now i'll stop right away you tell me which is that ear what is that number of men ending their lives or men uh completely getting destroyed because of false accusations or men completely being ruined because of the issues that i have raised up till what point till what number do we see that you would be okay with me talking about it right just tell me that when would that point come and hasn't that point come already because every day we see these things around us it doesn't make it to the popular media that in fact a lot of times i tell people that with sarjit singh case or the rothik sisters case or the


case or the rothik sisters case or the lucknow girl case these were cases which came as a woman suffering but then the truth came out as the other side thankfully these cases happened at least people became aware of how things can be twisted and things can be other way around the reason is when a man goes through extremely extreme wrongs the popular media doesn't usually pick it up so there is nothing in the work that i do which is anti-women or i'm against women's rights or something like that prior to 2012 i was a woman i'm from haryana i was i was i would travel in uh buses haryana roadway buses and if there's a man that i see you know misbehaving with a woman i would stand up and confront him because i could see that the woman is not able to do so so uh it's not about man versus women for sure in my head i think it's all about justice and i'm very clear in my head that whatever is happening in


clear in my head that whatever is happening in india right now especially with the laws dealing with women this there's immense misuse which is actually not just wrong for men of course it's it's causing immense harm to a lot of men but it's also causing immense harm to women who actually go through things like this and i don't think there's anything wrong in talking about that ah um i don't accept your thank you this is the least we can do um i mean when we get to do this with people like yourself it's our version of being a part of your journey in some form because our job is to create content and put it out and there's a limited level of impact we can create beyond money sure we can like work with you know social causes donate money but when we do this this is as meaningful as the money for me so that's why i don't accept your thank you instead i i'm cheering we all and i rarely do this on the show but


and i rarely do this on the show but you're going to get you're going to get a house and just everything you had to go through know that again suffering always happens for you to get nudged towards purpose so what you're doing it's not just the guys there's a lot of women out there there's a lot of older folks who are cheering for you you're a spider woman in like many ways i would urge every listener and viewer to share this episode as much as possible thank you so much i love the way you inspired the young generation ranveer there's so much meaning in your work i wish we had all these things during our 20s we would have so many options to look at we would have so many inspirations to look at although something very very important that i want to convey through your show before we end is to all the men out there and to all the families who go through this legal turmoil of being falsely accused being punished for a crime that


falsely accused being punished for a crime that they did not do please do not think please not for once think that this is the end of life there are so many people who have fought this who have come over this and it's absolutely not the end of life is what i want to say never think of ending life that doesn't solve any purpose it may sound scary but i've handled cases where the guy actually ended his life and even after that the woman side leveled allegations and filed cases and his family had to suffer more in fighting the cases without him they've lost their son they've lost their brother and even after that they have to fight so suicide is just not the solution and my message to everyone out there if you know anybody going through this there are men's organizations now there's men there they're men's helpline right now there's sahoda trust there's uh save indian family you can they have their helpline numbers which you can find on the internet you can reach out to them


find on the internet you can reach out to them call them share what you're going through learn from other people who are fighting and give it a fight yeah ah difficult thank you thank you that's all i have thank you for everything thank you thank you for being on the show so that was the episode for today as you guys witnessed over the course of listening to this episode very few people get a hug in the middle of the podcast and it's primarily because when you podcast you do feel an energy exchange with the other person the kind of [ __ ] that's thrown deepika's way is just it's just very unfair considering everything that she's been through everything her family has been through everything she stands for today she's trying to do something good in the world keep in mind this episode its messages its vibe should take nothing away from the difficulties that women face in society we were just trying to highlight some other dark realities of society today especially from a man's perspective i urge you once


especially from a man's perspective i urge you once again to share this with as many boys and men and women and girls that you can thank you for listening and thank you for showing your support father and we show all of deepika's handles as well as links to her documentary will be placed down below in the description box thank you [Music] you


anybody listening to this and if you are calling youtube channel just a youtube channel you know what watch your tone these guys will come and they will take you by strong every media company eventually will become a tech company or at least a media tech company and i was crazy demoted recently and i saw one very cliche and motivational reel which most people laugh at but that really helped me dude there are lots of people who want to see the bear by steam fail like i'm very aware of that but that's a good thing randy i would like more people like them because that's a sign of growth yeah and the sign of growth plus that's what because they want us to feel we will not fail episode number 200 begins with a huge thank you to you all y'all have made this possible it's a 200th episode of the english podcast instead of doing a heartfelt solo episode or an episode with my mum like we've done in the past for the english podcast i thought for episode 200


past for the english podcast i thought for episode 200 i want to show you all the real picture i want to show you all the raw side of running this podcast running this career i want to show you all everything that's happening in my life behind the scenes behind camera when there's no wax in my hair when my clothes aren't ironed but i'm not feeling as fantastic as i'm feeling today i shot this episode when i was feeling like but i spoke to the man who picks me up from those moments of feeling like manish pandey my brother and now one of my co-founders i love you pandesable this one's episode 200. and of course one big thank you and another big request make sure you share all these episodes guys we've grown because of the love you've shown over the years we've grown because of all the shares you have helped us with when you share it on whatsapp when you share it on your social media episode 200 this is a special one very


social media episode 200 this is a special one very raw very vulnerable very motivational enjoy yourselves [Music] episode number 200 when we started this podcast i said that we're going to do 2000 episodes mr fanday you are the episode number 200 because people need to know that the rs is not down to one guy it's down to a team of like maybe 10 people of which five people are in this room yeah and a lot of it comes from you so congratulations on 200 episodes to everybody what's happening what's up in life all good i mean uh if we have to speak about what we are up to i think we are preparing for you know next 2000 and preparing for new things most of my time goes in fixing sop i mean maya and sanchez what is what is sop people don't know like it's standard operating procedure like how do you how do you plan how things should happen right we are putting systems in place we are putting processes in place


systems in place we are putting processes in place so that you don't do things by luck you do things by design so man there was one very crazy episode we did recently with the solo podcast it was about how we structured the team yeah you know and uh this takes me back to the start of the lockdown we've done some very good corporatized moves for the beer by some startup and i think that that particular episode is a blueprint for other people to go to and learn from and it's not got that many views right and that's what really kind of almost demotivates me sometimes that dude if someone gave me that kind of content i would have latched on to it but the audience sometimes doesn't sync up with the kind of content you know is useful for them yeah i mean i keep saying right i mean we we also keep hearing from all kind of people like kunal shah and little karma and all those all those entrepreneurs who have come on the podcast like you


entrepreneurs who have come on the podcast like you know brains like ryan hoover and sai lavanga and all of these guys right if you go and see the number of views that howard and stanford have on their youtube channel or y combinator for that matter it's way less like why are people not watching that content it's for free but it is damn demotivating sometimes to see that every time we stop putting out bollywood podcasts or glamorous podcasts the views drop yeah and we're in one thing that i and you should agree together that we have agreed i mean off camera we have agreed that the day we started podcast we knew that the view view game is over it's quality game that's gonna up right the that day the competition did end for us and it was more than okay now we are in that whole zone of value edition education yeah so yes the views might not be too sexy uh but but at the end of the day it gives satisfaction right when you when you exit


it gives satisfaction right when you when you exit the room after a brain bending yeah you know interview and that's what yeah that's what podcasts have become for me it's just a personal thing right content we have great people working with us uh you know and and they have a much stronger vision than probably even you and me do now yeah for the podcast nachi all these guys ranvir you know why beer by steps or anything that we are doing will grow is because i'm very happy to say this that i and you are not the smartest person in the room anymore we're not the smartest people i mean our team is way smarter than us they are younger and they are smarter and also by god's grace they are receptive to feedback because experience brings something and they listen to us um you know i read this so i was actually having a time in my head recently uh to the degree where i'm like crazy exhausted and i was crazy demoted recently and i saw


i was crazy demoted recently and i saw one very cliche and motivational reel which most people laugh at but that really helped me dude was it from russia no raju bhai my heart is always wet for you but anyway um coming back to the point the reel said there are only two people you need to make proud of in your entire life it's not your best friend it's not your co-founder it's not your parents it's not your sister it's not your wife it is the five-year-old version of you and the 80 year old version of you wow and i was like oh i think you did share it with me uh i mean you we keep sharing dm so yeah very powerful yeah and that stayed with me i was like oh like if at the age of five you know i went i go back i take a time machine and i tell that kid that oh you know you'll be doing these things you'll be helping whatever whatever we're doing yeah uh i would have been


whatever whatever we're doing yeah uh i would have been thrilled with it man and i think i mean i'm far from where i want to reason like but if i die tomorrow if my career stops tomorrow even at age 80 i'll at least be proud of my twenties in terms of did some in our twenties there's a good place to be um let's talk about you mr pandey what's happening in your life because people see you on podcasts your personal brand has grown a lot of conversation we had yeah yesterday last night yeah dude i get so much recommended about you across like insta twitter youtube your personal brand is like going to another level people don't know what the entrepreneur in you is doing they look at you as a mentor they look at you as bhaiya dude you're also a hardcore entrepreneur yeah dude and i'm i'm a little tired i keep telling people that you know listen i don't want to be called mentor because random people uh you know associate me with random


because random people uh you know associate me with random people's mentor right and sometimes i've not done enough for them right and to be called mentor who have not really spent a lot of time is a little what do you call like it's like undue advantage of me being in that space right like i have not worked with all content creators i am not india's entire content creation world mentor right i have spoken to maybe seven eight people and uh you know uh and and but but then the point is that uh you've been put in that you know thing because and you you are responsible for that because you you are i'm a hype man recently i said that you know if you have a hype man in life my goal was to be a media businessman yeah you know and that was it do you wish to talk about the whole transition we are trying to do from media to tech yeah yeah speak about it my angle is over the course of six years seven years of my career i've realized my


years seven years of my career i've realized my purpose in life which is just to spread help to create further jobs you know to create opportunity uh the the direct kind of kinetic energy as i call it as in the practical way of doing that is you have to become rich yourself you have to have money yourself because money gives you the power to create change to create jobs to create further businesses etc so uh there is definitely a chase for money going on in my head yeah i've also realized that it's not about how hard you work but it's about who you're working with and what you're working on yeah so if my purpose is money yeah uh i think it's time to move away slightly from media and i think it's a parallel purpose for you which is why even with big brain when we started a lot of people questioned that what is it just a youtube channel i was just doing a another youtube and you're calling it a startup people don't know what's going on behind


a startup people don't know what's going on behind the scenes since a while people don't know what's going to happen going forward as well but it's a great example of moving from media to tech yeah and on top of that you know i really would like like those people to think twice if they are calling that okay are you calling youtube one more startup well hell yes because every content creator who's who's who have guts to start a youtube channel has at least mindset of becoming an entrepreneur one day or has a chance of becoming an entrepreneur so stop disregarding you know people who starting content and stop disregarding oh you're just a youtube channel i mean you know uh back in the day uh when showbiz supriya we speak right old times uh we were also at joe's talks also we were called oh youtube channel story and what's the company worth today and imagine i it is at a good place and it will definitely go i mean 100 folds from where it is right now so


mean 100 folds from where it is right now so anybody listening to this and if you are calling youtube channel just a youtube channel you know what watch your tone these guys will come and they will take you by strong and every media company eventually will become a tech company or at least a media tech company that's where the money is break that down a little more what do you mean by every media company will become a tech company so for example uh today what is happening today you're making videos you're putting it out and you're getting views but reverse engineer it right where those views are coming from who's watching it how much time are they watching it if you back calculate all this and if you create an algorithm which keeps a track of all of these this is what becomes a layer of building a successful d2c company this is one one example this is what will become what is d to c but uh it's direct to consumer so for example uh if i have to give an example


for example uh if i have to give an example it's like sugar cosmetics nike i mean making product and directly sending you to the customer right yeah then you are a listeners podcast you'll be using those products exactly like all the merchandise brands that we see i mean all of youtubers and all they start their merchandise business and all of that right healthcare is becoming d2c uh too many over-the-counter drugs are becoming d2c so so that is one use case again the uh you know let's say let's say a musician right who's who's a youtube first musician who's not signed by label and all any of that if that musician tomorrow tries to fill in the stadium this will help because he or she will exactly know where the fans are which place is watching how much content and then go and do performance in that particular time city or town right where people will come and feel the stadium so yeah act smart that's what will happen yeah it's time to move to


what will happen yeah it's time to move to tech not everyone can do it like i think working on levellers taught me about the reality of tech yes yeah and it is too expensive also like for example to hire a good techie today it's not easy and that's why all tech companies eventually end up raising funds uh mostly any any startup today they raise fund only for two reasons right one because they want to hire great talent another they want to do exceptional marketing because you've built a great product but then you have to do exceptionally good marketing as well right i mean what is happening with doing podcast we are getting to getting to meet great people we're exchanging numbers with them they remember us you know we remember them if today i write an email to anybody i have i have one out of 10 chance that i'll get a reply right but as a stranger if i write it so basically this is your cold email you know so a lot of things are happening by the way


a lot of things are happening by the way coming back to podcast runway i think i want to speak this out loud and let us discuss this today that what all kind of podcasts we have man like it's not just you know so the views that we get are are on on media related i mean uh content creation related and film related and all but i was just going through the list because you know when when you called me and you said ki doso podcast and i was also taking time to like soak that in right and and i was thinking in my head and i called sanjara and said sanjana can we diver can we put a segment or can we put like areas from which all we've got podcast right dude we have podcasts from entrepreneurship from spiritual world we are podcasts from health medicine we have doctors uh we have podcasts from environment climate change we have podcasts from uh film industry bollywood south industry marathi industry all of that what else uh we have podcasts from


all of that what else uh we have podcasts from authors we have taught broadcast from historians we podcast from our science from scientists we are podcast from astrophysicist we have that been scientists i mean yeah man we're so diverse i don't know if audience everybody is watching is discovering all this or not but i would i would request with holden hands that please go dig dig go and and against your likability go and check podcast like the podcasts are are like say 45 minute one hour but some podcast it takes me three hours to complete them because i take notes and i think that was our logic when we started that we could have easily spoken about news on the show yes we're gonna current affairs spoken about tk topics and made the numbers blow up views blow up but the way we built up like the entire library was such that someone watching this in 2040 can also gain value out of it where we have reached i think again i mean it is it everybody says


i think again i mean it is it everybody says that but trust me it is for us that we've just started and it's not been easy it is not i mean it's been i remember 24 hours only 30 000 views and i had to prepare myself mentally to to tell you that bro chill it'll happen and then on the way me sanchet and other friends right we all have figured out a way to make sure that the older content works so that our you know money is sorted so much so much we've learned on the job there is a so because when the question comes to survival you do everything at the same time you continue with what you're doing right the good side is that when you enter any room there is someone powerful who has watched an episode or a bunch of episodes like i know for a fact that we have regular viewers who are in the right places let's just say that there are iis officers who watch the show it's it's been a great career move maybe


show it's it's been a great career move maybe not in terms of views yeah uh someone who's just into the youtube ecosystem will think that beer buses is almost tanking but i know what it's done for our business careers and like even our content creators for that matter content careers but um my point is man it's really not been easy like uh be it be it even the lockdown dude like to even execute those international episodes we had to we really went through a lot of like yeah i remember i i remember i was i was in alvar somewhere and and you called me and you started crying yeah and you started howling and you said how will we do it how will we do it the entire world is shut down nobody's meeting nobody how are we gonna do it like i said listen we'll figure it out we'll figure it out and and in those days you know i said i said ranveer when when nothing works you reboot right and you went back and started doing your


reboot right and you went back and started doing your fitness and this solo podcast right and and solo did good yeah solo really built out the fan you know how we used to record that yeah so there was no studio there was no office you weren't allowed to travel in mumbai there was no transport so i would wake up every morning drive my car up to raja's house pick him up he lives about like 20 minutes away bring him uh set up the equipment which was kept in my house record how he used to record back in the day and then drop him off in the evening before the curfew uh began because about 5 p.m or 4 p.m yes it was so stressful to just keep it going i felt like mohammed kev and yuvraj singh in that natwest final oh there are just two guys running a 10 15 person team yeah it was so stressful man like uh i was dating someone at the time who you know now and i should just cry to her all the time


and i should just cry to her all the time oh god not start about your dating life i yeah let's start about my dating life man in the middle of all these startups where is uh time where is it's a saturday evening i would probably be on a date out at this time you already were and uh you know and then we had to record this so you have to finish off your date that's that's what i'm not liking about my life the one personality which is unhappy is not liking this lack of personality tomorrow's sunday stop pretending you're busy you're not i feel like i am because i thought one hour two hours off i get i have to i have to work out and all that that's my me time and uh my job and all the startups is creative in youtube i have to think after right yeah you need that little me time to just recover no i get it man like uh like when when we were also doing that book right then i understood that why you always


that book right then i understood that why you always said that i need some space i need some space because it's not like writing email it's not writing business strategy it it takes a toll on you yeah it's like you know when you're a kid actually not when you're a kid there's only i used to do this you know you put your finger in your mouth to puke like so the writing is like thoughts in your head and then imagine you want to puke you feel like you can when it's not coming then you do ah and like puke it all out so my free time is my ah like that's in my free time all the writing builds up and it's allowed to come out on paper so all the poems and all you you see the romantic poems my eyes you know whenever poems start coming up on instagram um understand i'm not going through a good phase in life and the pain is coming out i suppose i i do i the the seas i you're so predictable


do i the the seas i you're so predictable now for all of us at least for all the team that that works together right he did a tweet like say we know that i i appreciate all the teammates for giving me spaces yeah you guys just understand when i don't want to talk to anybody and it's usually i'm in the middle of my heart it's actually effectively what's happening the the benchmark for 200 podcast is not like going anywhere i guess i wanted to make this the most raw conversation in the world do you sometimes get scared that where will we have where will we get them all the money to run out of this i get that thought and i used to get scared with the thought yeah i read a quote an autobiography of a yogi i look at money very spiritually now i think i'm almost forced to because they're so reliant on money that i look at it as a divine power yeah the thing is money is a toy in the hands of god


is money is a toy in the hands of god so if you put god first and if you just keep working money will come here and this we've seen yeah even the boys have seen you know like as in whenever we are short on money some big brand deal will come from somewhere right so i think there's some higher purpose we're working towards honestly uh which could just be you know we're trying to again create more jobs we're trying to do a lot of social work beer by this foundation like that's another thing yeah yeah i mean very too soon to talk about it but yes let's talk about your twitter what's happening on your twitter like why do i get screenshots from people and people from all strata of life that what is ranveer and i'm like viraj manager my new manager i i love twitter as a platform to learn from yeah i don't enjoy it much as a content creator i have fun with elon musk's twitter handle right so when he tweets i reply to him in hindi like


when he tweets i reply to him in hindi like and all of that right like just just like it's like my and just out of curiosity he'd posted a job opening at the boring company that one of the companies that he has and dude i went and read the jd and i took a screenshot and i sent it to like all our friends like all other youtubers like raj and sloka and too many people right all of them and i said you brought your pod you know there was a special mention that be ready to work extra and on weekends because you're working with elon musk and you know if you have audacity now go and talk talk to him about hustle culture and you know he's one of the richest man uh on earth and he's he's saying that we should work hard we should so so i don't get it when people talk about hustle culture and toxic culture i think it's a very small percentage of humanity that's doing this it's just the privileged colleagues


that's doing this it's just the privileged colleagues who are also lazy hasn't their privileged kids are motivated these are privileged kids are lazy and uh against the first world problem dude go tell a tier two tier three tier four middle class kid then they don't work hard you know yeah yeah i mean i think jordan peterson said this now basically what is success it is the ability to kind of outwork other people so there is that little amount of discomfort that you're supposed to give yourself that's where growth happens and again this whole anti-toxic hustle narratives against this idea yeah we are we are those people so we are called toxic people for asking people to hustle work hard yeah so yeah somebody called me on twitter you're such a toxic guy you uh you say that you should you know work it is that i said bye it's okay whatever yeah kids in pain yeah man yeah you just forgive when you wish the best for yeah but twitter is very very interesting it's an interesting


yeah but twitter is very very interesting it's an interesting place to be let's talk about the youtube ecosystem i am demotivated about where the platform is going because of shots yeah and the first generation of youtubers is also um there is a talk about that let's talk about first generation of youtubers when you say first generation youtube are you first generation youtuber yeah your first generation youtuber i see i'd say gen zeros tvf and aib all right gen one is so yeah so like all the guys in the book like leave one or two and uh and then there are more that there are more that you know oh i didn't know of a channel called round to hell until uh bhuvan bai told me about it and uh dude such great work i didn't know of them and i discovered and i you know spoke to wasim is one of the guy and i i spoke to him and so much is happening yeah and they're making 50 minute long content and putting it out on


making 50 minute long content and putting it out on youtube and sanjit they have a lot of views they have crazy views okay share something from the recent nas summit what kind of people you met and and uh what is your okay tell me five things that you brought from last summit um they don't look at content creation as the basis of their career when who's when he said they who although all the creators there dude like they're all international creators earning big money even africa yeah they don't look at it as their long-term bread and butter they look at it as the long-term fame okay and everyone kind of looks at it as a stepping stone a little bit somewhere in their heart all entrepreneurial all thinking of what to do beyond youtube secondly they're not view centric like i feel india's are very obvious subscribers they are to a certain degree eventually you need to cross a threshold like everyone should have at least 50k followers on instagram at least 100k 200k on youtube they want


instagram at least 100k 200k on youtube they want you to cross a threshold but beyond that they don't care that much about how many views you're roping you know how many subs you're opening it's more about the kind of community you've captured the value of that community for example you can have a small number of people following you are engaging with your posts but are they high value audiences yeah and these guys are earning insane amounts of money we're talking about like eight digit salaries and all that yeah okay this is beyond ten million dollars yeah like wow dude this guy's sitting on 100 the amount of likes i get on instagram and his net worth is 1000x my networth so i'm like that was a eye-opening i was thinking about stopping um business and content creation before i went to dubai i went there and i realized how much they value indian content creators who are entrepreneurial yeah and they were back you said no you shouldn't stop the thing is in youtube and i


shouldn't stop the thing is in youtube and i entered india five years late there it's been there for such a long time yeah so that ecosystem has matured and all that you know and i think the best money making facebook online creators in india is gonna come now it's not influence marketing it's through other means as well next i would say that they look at india as a kind of guiding light in the world of content because we have such a big population that we can do experiments uh we're doing such huge amounts of content and quantity that we deliver because of big themes is a lot more than how much of foreigner delivers so they don't even know things they're like like i made a lot of these nigerian friends yeah content creators i called some of them and i told them that dude i think you're doing these these things wrong in your strategy like one guy was uploading a lot of photos on instagram okay now it's a video first and he didn't know that oh


a video first and he didn't know that oh wow yeah and he's a smart guy but the culture there is not analytical the way indian culture is so that's what they respect about indians and uh probably the last thing i'd say is um you should only do this career if you enjoy creating videos it's don't do it for the money don't do it for the fame all those guys also somewhere they enjoy creation yeah you know uh it's much more than like if you change the creation if you change the work money will chase you so it's very cliche things but those things got solidified in my head it's giving a lot of hope for our future building beer biceps there is an idea about making beer biceps about more people than just myself i'll be there in all the videos in some capacity but i want to bring out talent and i want to take beer biceps international i don't want it to just be in india you know there's one thing running in my head back of


know there's one thing running in my head back of the head i don't know if i shared this with you or not but i think i must have because whatever comes to our head we call each other in scenes like in in next one to two years uh i would like team members our team members to be sitting in different countries like mayank may be sitting in in dubai in dubai you know somebody seeing it sitting in singapore somebody is sitting in tel aviv you know because so much to learn from that country right uh so this this has to happen so we yeah yeah [Music] by the way it's not just 200 podcasts you're 200 on english and how many are hindi 100 plus almost 100 wow so 300 podcast yeah it's i'm saying yeah he lives outside the township of kunur ign isolated almost at the fringes of a forested area wow like canadian life huh canadian life yeah in the wild yeah yeah like leopards roam around in his compound wow very mother


leopards roam around in his compound wow very mother he's living in a forest with his wife beautiful house there's nature 7pm you have to head inside the moment it's dark you have to go inside the house wow hey hans is a house type yeah exactly similar and being in nature he's been thinking he's been writing he's been creating a lot he told me that uh man one thing i realized living here is since we're kids growing up in cities we have always been told that progress is good and he's like okay what is your human body made up of what's the building block of a human body ah a cell yeah okay now uh as you grow older then get more cells get added to your body yeah what if the cells one day decide that nay it's progressively always other progress today after your body's finished its growth what do you call that like extra progress more than you need of cells what is that in your body i mean it becomes what tissue it becomes cancer oh yeah damn


what tissue it becomes cancer oh yeah damn yeah so damn yeah yeah definitely going to be a part of 5000 startups even if we do like two good startups now we are done we've done two goods yeah i mean two more yeah two we are doing two more just my last games i think in business are going to be these two tech games what do you think of me as a podcaster honestly uh like i think i'm a very mainstream podcaster and the thing is like somewhere i used to love being kind of a underdog i was looked as an underdog for the longest time until i started podcast and now because first mover's advantage happened then now i'm a very mainstream person something what happens is in many times i think in giving feedback sometimes i am ahead of time and then six months passes and you call me back and you tell me the same thing that i had told you six months ago but again in this process i have learned that maybe sometimes i tell you


process i have learned that maybe sometimes i tell you things way ahead of time like for example the niles mishra conversation right i should have understood that yes you do not relate with that kind of content because you not lived that way exactly right but then later when you visit places like banaras when you go and hang out with sanchez and sanjit's friends there or when you visit places like uh you know when we go to kunuru himachal pradesh for that matter you know we speak to amanda and all of that right then then then one day you called me like thank you for introducing what happened like because of that i was able to speak with jaydeep yeah yeah and i was like okay great so here or no even i'm learning that now while i give you feedback i question myself that is it the right time for this feedback or not if it is not then i hold myself people underestimate how much of podcasting is the podcaster's own personal life growth yeah like and it's


podcaster's own personal life growth yeah like and it's a lot of almost pressure dude being in that situation like the only way you can sustain yourself as a podcaster is if you're growing constantly in your personal life yeah and uh something that i am a little happy not not very very happy but little happy about is is about your spiritual growth and uh and now and the reason why i'm saying now is because now you've stopped speaking about it a lot right because when you know little you speak a lot but when you actually know it then you hold your thought in that wait maybe we should not speak about it right so how you used to like put spirituality a lot now you've you know thought about god down and and now also because when we want to speak about it we get an expert like we get ammo probes of the world and i think the older you grow the more you learn yeah and the more you feel that you yourself are stupid exactly and then you don't speak


are stupid exactly and then you don't speak about it like like imagine like one year ago everybody used to meet is like autobiography of yogi yeah we need to understand right so yeah that that also like i think i think podcasting has just helped us grow man as as humans yeah our best career decision i also feel that the best of our podcasts are yet to come like i'm sure i'm sure like the other day when you were talking that what does it take to get a joe rogan on the seat and speak to him or tim ferriss i think if we keep doing what we are doing one day we will get them yeah and we'll let's manifest it like let's manifest that we get lebron james here we get whoever you know we dream of i we didn't have an elaborate discussion like we didn't have that luxury of three hours with him right but but one day it will uh either by either by becoming too good that they would want to come or by


too good that they would want to come or by make a lot of money and go and say hey there's one dude who we've brought on the show i respect a lot his name is amanda tarwal okay yes yes uh he has he's again he has very good intent with his business yeah he's in the education space but what i love about him is he's extremely incisive as a businessman very very practical and too young he's very young that's the other angle i'm looking at him as a pure business mind right uh i asked him what do you think the game in podcast is and he's like whoever gets to that 2000 3000 mark is the actual winner in this podcast uh that's the actual game that can you have a huge library yeah uh this is something for everybody yeah right something for everybody like it's like a massive library where you enter and you have some book that you will like you know some podcast you would like my point is that this is an extremely sustainable


my point is that this is an extremely sustainable uh way of doing content it's very sharp calm as long as i'm thrown the right guess uh i know i can ace it which brings me to bollywood podcast dude yeah crazy difficult what's happening crazy difficult to get they only become available this is a bollywood culture i think every industry has its own culture they only become available when their films are being released yeah uh while you're doing the podcast the entire management team is standing behind the camera they don't allow you to talk openly about all topics that you want to talk about they give you a time limit so people underestimate how difficult it is for the podcaster to actually carry your conversation through right and you know in the comment section people say thousand things that oh why won't you yourself why why didn't you have this conversation of course i want to have the longer questions i've done enough podcasts to know what constitutes a good podcast but you need to know that


a good podcast but you need to know that there are other challenges that are happening to even execute those or even cricket for that matter yeah or even say if i want to talk to someone who's extremely reputed as a business person it's not easy having those conversations no no i mean extremely not and you know when i read through so my my favorite thing to do is read through comment section right and i read through comment section and i write and then people say like and even like you know how much i mean thank god we have people like viraj and parole and you know amira srites type of people who were like it took us two years to get priyanka chopra who was our 13th episode yeah and guess who who's podcast she came after mine yeah like people underestimate the difficulty of the behind the scenes things yeah i'm i am a little cynical about it that's my opinion i've had detailed discussions with zakir bhai about this zakir khan i asked him


bhai about this zakir khan i asked him that do you think it will survive do you think he'll die his answers will totally depend on who's creating content will the people be able to make fantastic gripping content yet to be seen yeah and in all of these bro uh you know i also feel for for the bollywood artists or the sports people right because they have been given two days and they'll say that speak to 500 people now you tell me how will that that actor actress or the sports person speak to so many people and make different conversation like it will take a mental toll imagine like a recent one that guy in his head is thinking like when will i get an opportunity so they are also hunting some people are hunting for opportunity like and what what kind of makes me reach what restores my faith in what we are doing is when people from cricket and bollywood and sports they say that this is one of the best conversations i've had and that's not makeup


best conversations i've had and that's not makeup they're not making it up right why would they just say for us right because it's a it's a good thing for us but but then they say that this i want to do this kind of conversation i want to do then give me more than 45 minutes yeah man yeah yeah it's it's an appeal to all the managers and everybody if you're watching this right please give us time you know like somewhere i feel like a indian cricketer who's just played domestic and who's not being given a chance to play international though i know i can kill it yeah or or or talented person like you know praveen thambe who gets a chance yeah it is something like that dude which is why there is another angle to podcasting in this country there is a reason you can't do news based podcasts this country currently is going through a very divided state of mind and if i put out my opinion no matter where it lies on you will be


opinion no matter where it lies on you will be something yeah some left right center somebody recently called me a centrist and i didn't know what that was and i said yes people people i think right now where india's at uh politically are not ready to accept any opinion i think india is going through a change you know that that phase where uh so i mean i derive a lot of my examples from wildlife so so you know at a point when that snake leaves its skin i think we are in that field as a country i think i might be wrong but this is what i think that we are going through a massive change and i am very bullish for the future of our country very very bullish do you think this so i see again man we've been doing podcasting for like three years now yeah yesterday we released a fantastic episode with ammo lila prabhu on the english and yeah 30k views and 24 hours yeah after three years of yeah yeah i know that this will also swell


of yeah yeah i know that this will also swell up over time as the moment you release good content it will swell up over time yeah when we start the hindi podcast we're getting 6k views on 24 hours same episodes have crossed a million views now yeah yeah because i mean we we go and do some cheat codes we have gaming cheat codes for this as well me and sanjit is it just you know and we upload the vlogs for example you know uh people especially i know i know that there are lots of people who want to see the bear wise team fail like i'm very aware of that but that's a good thing randy yeah i i i would like more people like them because that's what a sign of growth yeah and the sign of growth plus that's what because they want us to feel we will not fail yeah we we get a reason to get up in the morning because we have to work hard not to prove them wrong but to tell ourselves that listen we are not going


but to tell ourselves that listen we are not going to fail i think that's what pisses off people i was discussing this with that people don't like the spirit across the ecosystem people that how these are so motivated how is everything working for them we meditate man we've edited it simple but honestly i feel the um for example the vlogs i know that if i put a girl in the thumbnail with me it's automatically going to get more views but that's how the psychology is right yeah i mean that's just thumbnail psychology like the recent uh vlog that you put with shahad your friend and i watched that vlog right i watched it i mean while you guys were editing it and dude too much respect for you when you negotiate the edit right respect for sanji yeah and even you like when you tell me now that uh you don't get it i have to be on the edit table so i'm like listen i mean just delegate right then sometimes when when you give those feedback i


right then sometimes when when you give those feedback i think that feedback only you can give today i was talking to a friend of mine uh we met for a lunch before i was coming here and and he was telling me like helping all these youtube friends and whatever and i said is because what works for ranveer will not work for ankur will not work for varun bhai will not work for bhuvan will not pop for slope will not for like it's a different thing right and when i see their back end i have to think according to that as their most as them right and it's difficult and that is why i very with with a lot of respect i say that i cannot work with everybody right and you keep telling me that you know what is that what do you use become exclusive they don't know what my life is behind the podcast they don't know what my life is behind the screen which only my guys know who are in this room they know the pace and the demand and


this room they know the pace and the demand and and it is not to tell it that you know we are busy or something it's actually things are happening and we don't even know if is it is it gonna like convert into something or is it i don't know tomorrow no yeah exactly maybe tomorrow it might look like such a waste of time right we would have we should have done that podcast maybe right that would have been more productive we don't know but you have to do things in life to get to know i mean nobody knows what the result is even even if i can meditate and you know visualize it but it's spiritually wrong to kind of look into your future and you know define today do you think i'm a busy person you talk to a lot of people in different industries and you you know me like inside out no do you think i'm busy sometimes you are sometime you pretend to i'm an honest answer no yeah okay and when do you think i pretend too


yeah okay and when do you think i pretend too let it be no no say it say it because you're a very moody person and you you have that adhd in you right you i mean you're i mean you are a typical case of adhd chobit is also like that yeah i was diagnosed when i was a kid like there was a doctor yeah i mean i'm sure i'm sure uh i mean i don't know but i i have met a lot of people with this and and by the way the short content it's creating adhd people oh yeah yeah it's creating adhd people right yes i mean attention span is just gone you want to know everything in 30 seconds everything is 60 seconds it doesn't work like that that's why i have a lot of respect for varun and uncle kind of people who stand in a podcast his name is take a pause the name of the podcast you take a pause imagine i don't know man nathie why don't you step your step inside the frame like


why don't you step your step inside the frame like come come and come in come inside this is nachiket uh my manager my operations head does a lot of stuff add beer biceps uh give or give a cricket reference okay i he is in 83 yeah he is both like the opening bowler opening batsman and he is that uh the manager of the team then so what have you picked up about uh the truth say some leave some truth bombs uh on this episode uh the truth bombs are he has been the busiest where i've seen him but definitely he's going to get more busy but after five years people will understand why everyone was busy and after five years i don't think especially people those are working hard will ever be busy in their own life because i'll ask the right questions how hard is to get a signature or an otp something yeah no give give some reality what's it like living with me what's it like working with me it's difficult we have to understand the zone he is and


we have to understand the zone he is and so i let him be in his own zone maybe i have to get otp 9 am in the morning i'll get at 12 a.m in the night so throughout the day i have to understand what zone he is in and understands it for some time then he's like we'll do it one hour later then one night converts into three hours but we understand generally what is going through and will support him and the team whatever and that's basically our job to do to look after the team and to ensure all the creative people in their own zone yeah that's what i want to ask you this is a team of creatives and i think i think you're a back-end person who manages creators very well like you understand the creative skills you also work with for that matter who i also consider creative by the way he's got backhand strength but he's also creative in his heart what's that right like you're a normal engineering student lots of people want jobs at beer


normal engineering student lots of people want jobs at beer biceps break it down honestly okay so uh being honest uh it's difficult to work with creative people because our time most of the times i feel creative people are unstable in their own head like if a problem is not very small i think they'll make it so big i was like but then again it's difficult because i understand i've been with like too many creative people so i understand they need their own zone to create things so it's difficult at the back end but again that's why we are here to look after creative people so that's our job and yeah okay cool uh and just give a give an input on okay what have you learned about me after working with me specifically me okay i've learned how to be more organized then i've like learned how to look at the future like right now ranveer is here but i think mentally he is again like two years later my year started more business opportunity like exactly what he mentioned on the


business opportunity like exactly what he mentioned on the podcast when we shifted here and like three four days he's like bro we have to figure out like another space we've been the same building or somewhere around where you guys can stay then we can create like more over there so it's that yeah and again i'm trying to switch over out of the progress i've got a lot of mankind in this house thanks for making things happen thank you uh and okay one last question do you actually manage you can you want to chip in before my last year no many questions i mean i just i mean because nachi is in frame right he's he has one of the most difficult jobs nachi and my on both maybe one last question to you uh what is it actually like working at i won't say bokeh beer business i think you're a part of the ecosystem all four startups you do a little bit of work in level little bit of work in big brain beer biceps you've done work in uh level also


beer biceps you've done work in uh level also so uh what is this ecosystem like according to and your first job out of college yeah how old do you introduce yourself so i'm 22 right now i'll turn 20 really june yeah he works like a 30 year old yeah yeah he does first of all i was an engineering graduate i was working in my college and when i entered here i saw this is like purely people skills and all after seeing ranveer you can't be the person who'll just chill if you see your captain putting in that extra effort you can't just sit like i've seen him work hard even hardest like anyone in the team and that's what motivates me to work more because my captain is working more so i have to work even more let me just say i feel like i am ganguly in this dhoni sitting right here he's going to retire and dhoni will have to like take over captaincy but i'm honestly looking forward to that like these are all


honestly looking forward to that like these are all 99 born 2000 born roughly waiting for them to hit their prime so-called 26-27 i think and this is what we discussed internally here also that you guys have to carry the ship forward when we become hippies and goals yeah like i love whatever we're building having fun doing what we're doing but uh we i i feel that this entire ecosystem is going to be built through these people yeah which is why it's not easy to get a job here you want to be filtered even for the amount we filtered for any position we have now we get a lot of inquiries from all over the country yeah i mean hiring is one of the toughest things like uh we were recently uh you know looking for you said that you need a writer yeah and uh i i think we've not yet figured it out right and uh it took us a lot to crack down on our graphic designer surutas for that matter new edition i mean before we speak to


that matter new edition i mean before we speak to spoke to sritesh we spoke to so many people and and we wanted that position filled for a year yeah and on top of that we were 500 convinced on a person and then we put it because you know you want to look because it's a creative thing so you would like to kind of check check it once it is not from or approved yoga it's not about that it's about because you know who you want right you you know your players i like it i like it one thing i would love to highlight about this organization here the mindset matters more than the skill set yeah awesome same boring company go read boring companies job description whoever wants to work with beer biceps correct be very honest people often when we bring you guys on bring sanchez on screen bring you on screen whoever yeah people assume that we are forcing you to say these things like what's what just talk about your own individual career what's your outlook yeah and do