uh finds an avenue of expression through playing a character in a certain film correct me if i'm wrong but i feel in creative professions there's no such thing as competition because creativity is like an outcome of all your life's experiences up till that point man like the fact that you select something versus someone not selecting it is probably you had some experience with boxing as a kid therefore you took up too far versus someone maybe didn't you know like and i feel there's no there's actually no competition in the creative world but a large section of the media industry looks at it as a very competition-driven industry i don't look at it that way man yeah and it shouldn't be you know because i mean it it creates uh it creates a false premise of what the industry is you know um there is no rat race you know this concept of number one number two and you know like all this this it's it's so unproductive um i mean at the end of the day nobody can make a film in


end of the day nobody can make a film in a vacuum you know it's not possible you need people you need people like-minded people as enthusiastic as excited as you are to make a film um of course there will be a face to that film which will be an actor of course there will be one person who kind of is the the uh overall who has the overall view that's the director you know all that will play a major role but it's not possible just for the director and actor to get together and make a film you need so many people to come together and and agree with you you know and believe in in what it is that you're promising them um and showing them you know so i don't know i mean it's it's absolutely and collaborate it's a collaborative uh effort a collaborative art um and the more we the more ideas we exchange the more we come together to tell stories without getting caught up in what other people perceive us to be you know uh


what other people perceive us to be you know uh the healthier it it will be for us you know i mean at the end of the day you can't stop people from comparing you can't stop them from having their point of view they're entitled to it but we should not become victims to that you know we should not start believing that oh that's the way it should be we know what it is here we are inside the we are inside this world you know we know what what we need to do and we should just stay focused on that yeah i feel like competition only exists in sports and maybe politics man but it doesn't exist in any other industry because you have the ability to build your own niche your use your own creativity to build your own unique identity no but you know see the thing is even in sport what is very interesting is when you're competing with someone you're competing with them there and then in that moment for that period of time leading up to then the only person you're


of time leading up to then the only person you're competing with is yourself how can i be better it's not that how can i be better than him how can i be better than her it's how can i be a better version of this athlete how can i be a better version of myself as a boxer as a runner as a swimmer how do i improve myself and when i improve myself when i go to compete i'm going to just be there focusing on i have to do my best it's not that i have to do better than you it really isn't that you know so and that's the fight even in boxing which i mean you don't think about because you see two people going at each other but the true fight really is do i have it in me you know it's not does he have it in him or do i have it to beat him it's not that do i have it in me to see this thing through that i believe i can do that's what it is


i believe i can do that's what it is so i mean of course there's a competitive side to it in that moment but but it's the respect that athletes have for one another the minute the race is over for example you know it's it's it's incredible i mean there is so much love and so much respect and so much understanding of what it takes to be able to perform at that level as rivals yeah uh i mean i i hear you and i completely agree with you firstly but specifically again about tufan to go into that sort of a character way or a boxer where you know you have to train as far and not not just the character you faran has to train his own body do you have to switch this super chill mindset because from your instagram from your social media i feel like you're a very chilled guy i've seen you on gaurav kapoor's stories and everything and you're dancing and like you know you're a relaxed guy but to switch into this intensity


a relaxed guy but to switch into this intensity what does that take because i have a few actor friends who have to switch up a lot about themselves man um well you know i mean the thing is that this this honestly just comes from the the love of what you do you know you get these opportunities to be able to to play characters that are so out there far removed from your comfort zone or from who you are you know that you have to be able to enjoy it i mean when it comes it's rare you know not everybody gets these opportunities you know i mean i i thought when bhagavata was done i honestly never thought a film like this would come along again you know which would which would require this this dedication again on a on a physical front i didn't think so you know and but when it came and apart from of course the boxing is one side of it what the film represents which you which you'll get a sense of when you see it um you just


a sense of when you see it um you just how can you not be grateful and how can you not be like you know since this has found me i have to make it uh i have to give it my all you know so um i mean it's i am i'm absolutely chilled in real life i'm very relaxed and i absolutely love my my uh time to myself and to like kind of hang loose with my friends um but this requires another approach and it requires another wearing of another kind of cap and you just have to do it there's no there's no getting around it here keeping in mind the thundak mentality of course i've got to ask you about your fitness regime like what did you do how did you exercise what was the weight training what was the diet let young kids know and take that inspiration from you mr akhtar all right wonderful man so um to start with uh when i started my my entire training process was up until shoot we had roughly about seven to eight


up until shoot we had roughly about seven to eight months so i got into training i mean immediately into boxing training so um six days a week um three hours every morning was dedicated to boxing and then about an hour and a half to two hours at times in the evening was dedicated to weight training strength training and the aesthetic side of what the character needed to kind of look like for for to look picture good um and that was non-stop no break no excuses day in day out six days a week for eight months so that's what it took to be able to do that and i mean the thing with boxing is um you do require tremendous amounts of energy because you're burning a lot of calories and you're you're expending a lot of your like your card your what they call cardiovascular strength you know and your your endurance has to be incredibly high um and to keep going to find that right balance you can't i mean of course you need protein because you want to look a


course you need protein because you want to look a certain way and you need your muscles to stay because you're burning all of that off while you're doing boxing training so finding the right balance between how much protein goes in in a day how many carbs are needed because you need that energy how much how much did you when you're training and what did you eat like how many grams did you consume um well um i i think if i'm not mistaken we at one point uh we had gone up to roughly about we started maybe at about two thousand two thousand to two thousand one hundred calories a day uh is what was going on um and then there was a portion that came where i had to like kind of become bigger um so then we had even gone up to three thousand calories a day at one point and then we continued with 3000 calories a day but really cut down on all the exercise because i needed to completely get out of shape and get like a big belly


get out of shape and get like a big belly and stuff like that so i continued eating the way i was but i wasn't burning so you know so it was just calorie deficit and calorie surplus really is what we were working towards but um again these are things i mean you can of course educate yourself on you know but but it's always advisable to speak to people who know this better than you you know whatever i may say here i mean i have basic knowledge there are people who studied this as as of course as a science and we must always we must always speak to those people because they need to understand what and different things work for different people not everyone can follow exactly the same diet and get the same result you know because our metabolic rates are different the way we react to uh training is different how many calories we make spend in the same amount of time is different you know so um that's where these experts come into play and i just uh trusted them


experts come into play and i just uh trusted them and followed their advice blindly what about like the protein did you consume supplements like to hit your protein mark did you eat all i'm assuming yeah you had to i was having uh yeah i mean i was having egg whites i was having chicken i was having fish we uh cut out as much red meat as we possibly could um and and protein shakes yeah so i was having two protein shakes a day is what i would be having and if i still felt hungry because that would happen given the amount of calories that were being burned you know um i'd even throw a protein bar in there once in a while like a low low low carb high protein bar even that would happen but um yeah but it i mean there is a certain monotony to it you know uh which your mind has to get used to and it does at times get difficult when you're out and about and everyone's eating whatever they want then you have to sit


everyone's eating whatever they want then you have to sit on the side you know with your little with your own tiffin box and and eat what's been uh been asked of you so you you have to like really really make your mind strong when it comes to these things but again i mean when you're inspired by the goal um these things tend to happen organically you then it doesn't bother you as much i think when people are talking about todon talk mentalities it's much more about overcoming the monotony than actually eating or exercising all that stuff oh absolutely you know um well my the one daddy foster and andrew told me something was very interesting they're like there is one thing which a boxer can have which is natural ability to fight and to be a great fighter he's like but the fighter who wakes up every single day who may be in like not not must may not have a amazing natural ability but he wakes up every single day goes to the gym hits those drills


single day goes to the gym hits those drills follows what he's supposed to do more often than not he'll be the one who'll win in the ring you know so basically training hard and being disciplined and focused will always trump natural ability when it actually comes to that moment of asking um and uh so yeah i mean it absolutely is your largest battle is is staying focused that is your largest battle in the ring for films and even for life man farana thank you for being on the show i appreciate it thank you what a pleasure man likewise likewise hope to have this with you in person once the world is back to normal and just really appreciate you for your work man everything you've done uh whether it's as an actor whether it's what you've created it's always kind of left a mark on not just me but a bunch of people my age my entire job thank you so much so from from my heart man thank you oh thank you it's been a pleasure all the


oh thank you it's been a pleasure all the best thank you so that was the episode for today i hope you guys enjoyed it the highlight of this episode for me was all about conveying the kind of impact that this man has had on my life through his work of course he's going to be back on the show of course we're going to have many more even deeper conversations but for now make sure you show your support to the man make sure you go watch tufa on an amazon prime video and make sure you keep following the runway show on spotify every episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world lots more conversations centered around the indian film industry possibly even hollywood are going to be coming up on the runway show very soon stay tuned [Music] you


our guest today is the brains behind one of india's most successful businesses as most people know him the founder of cred and recharge canalsha he's a trs all-star he's already done a stellar episode with us and of course we intend on doing a lot more episodes with him konacha is one of the most fierce learners that i've ever come across in my life the last episode was done a year back and even in this one year kunal's added a lot of layers to his own mind those are the layers we're trying to unearth in this particular episode remember guys check out the older episode as well this one's also as heavy as nice as value-adding make sure you follow the ranvi show on spotify with a spotify exclusive now every episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world we intend on bringing you some of india's best minds some of the world's best minds in order to enhance your own learning process in the same way that they say that


learning process in the same way that they say that books were the past in terms of learnings i strongly believe that podcasts and audio are the present and the future in terms of learning this particular episode is centered entirely around productivity canada's own personal productivity hacks when it comes to just increasing his work output but also from a long-term perspective what level of productivity does it take to build an empire like he's already built out love by boss is brought to you by airtel extreme fiber where we decode productivity in the new normal with the growing needs due to work from home the super fast 1gbps speed of the airtel extreme fiber can handle up to 60 devices at the same time so with that get ready to hear from india's top business minds about their stories struggles and bosses he's a trs all-star i'm gonna let you slip into the episode now enjoy yourself take some notes because the kind of knowledge you shared on this particular episode will stay with you for


shared on this particular episode will stay with you for life this is the man the legend kunal shah on the ranveer show once again [Music] mr kunal shah welcome back to the ranvi show are you going to give me one other all-time great episode of this show [Music] we'll see uh this is the first time because i did your show i i meet people who tell me that they only know me because of your show this is this is actually uh uh quite fascinating the kind of reach that you have no man thank you i meet a lot of people who tell me that they discovered my stuff because of you being on it so i guess i guess the collaborators win and the crabs in that crab basket lose out that's a reference to our old episode how have you been man good uh being busy uh currently in san francisco right now uh just trying to meet people smarter than me so that i can stay smart do you end up meeting a lot of people smarter than you often


up meeting a lot of people smarter than you often uh it's much easier in the us uh so i usually visit a lot of these places so i can put myself in places where people are just disproportionately sharper in india the concentration is not as strong as us uh uh but it's it's great there are different type of skills specifically tech startups over here uh you you meet way more smarter people uh in india you meet way more smarter people on other fields other domains uh people like you uh based out of india who are doing really good work uh it's just a different playing field that i learned from over here yeah dude i feel like self-education is the way to go honestly way back wait this is like when i was in the 10th standard someone told me that at least with icsc or cbse i'm not talking about state boards i can't speak for them but i know that these two other boards the level of education and the things you're taught are really good


education and the things you're taught are really good up till the seventh or eighth standard and then the moment the board exams are around the corner where board exam prep starts in eighth nine tenths that's actually where things start going downhill because rather than looking at english english literature hindi literature from a critical eye you're told to mug up the chapter and you're told to mug up the uh questions around the chapter and that's where that whole rote learning thing starts and then 11 12th it deteriorates higher education deteriorates more when you compare that to america or europe things actually start getting elevated from high school onwards eight nine ten you're taught critical thinking uh you know college is a whole other approach but once you hit age 22 it's all about self education it's all about forcing yourself to learn things i also feel that i started this podcast out of a bad breakup and it's been my greatest higher education in life man like galty say i got a higher education through


man like galty say i got a higher education through talking to people like yourself yeah i think uh more and more people will soon realize that the uh the education system was supposed to give degrees that may not be enough to anyways forget about making them knowledgeable even get them jobs anymore so i think soon people will realize that they will have to educate themselves and not just that they will have to be out there publicly broadcasting their point of views and knowledge and skills so that one day probably somebody will discover them and say oh why don't you come work with us there are so many people now getting hired uh like we had an intern who made a fantastic animation and and tagged our team and saying that i would love to intern with you and that person got hired uh in literally seven to eight hours time uh because that person did a fantastic work on linkedin and posted that and a lot of people saw that and it's just a matter of time how and i'm sure


just a matter of time how and i'm sure this person has not gone to a school to learn how animation works and uh figured it out they are just practicing their excellence on their own and they just want to be with people better than them that's another thing i have seen that good people good people who want to learn all the time they naturally surround themselves with other people who want to learn all the time and that group compounds a lot faster than the group of people where we stay with people who are not better than us constantly and then over five years time we have become less exciting less excellent in life that happens a lot of people who i know who have gone to iit-iim as well they choose to be with people who are sharper than them or they choose to be people who are not sharper than if you see them in five years apart they are different you don't you cannot even believe that they were part of the same batch um yeah oh again they


part of the same batch um yeah oh again they don't tell you these things at school they tell you that well god get like the best marks in the world otherwise your life is ruined i don't blame them that's that's the college professors protecting their own career and that's okay man um at some point with you i do want to do a hindi episode where i ask you much more about the guy kunal shah rather than how you look at the world but this is not that episode and now i'm just gonna ask you the entrepreneurial question which is after free charge why did you even do cred like because a lot of people would stop there uh it's a valid question uh uh the the reality is i i i just enjoyed building way too much i tried dabbling uh into investing uh although i liked it so there are two needs one need was to be right and we write more than others that's one need and the second need was to create right investing only satisfied one need


was to create right investing only satisfied one need which was uh to be more right and and uh fortunately a few investments i did they turned out to be quite well when i was working along with the vc uh which is sequoia capital uh but i also did probably now maybe a 150 odd angel investments uh and and uh been pretty successful on that as well but i still need the joy of building so what i've decided to do i'll do both uh and i could have been uh anywhere in the world i could have moved to the us i could have moved anywhere else uh uh with that exit i could have just been doing whatever i want but i think at the core i realized that i do want to see this nation prosperous and and if i say hlo this is a country i should not be at and just move on and keep complaining and keep saying the government is this and that is this and that is this then i'm just being like everybody else and and instead of that


just being like everybody else and and instead of that why don't i become the person who builds one more company over here or maybe many more companies uh creates uh uh jobs thousands of jobs uh and what if these thousands of jobs leads to thousands of entrepreneurs future entrepreneurs and and what if i give back uh most of my wealth to other entrepreneurs to fulfill their dreams what if that happens like we will have pandemic of entrepreneurship right and it will kind of get more people into doing these things and what if that changes the nation and and i know that i'm like a drop in the ocean to trying to get the country to work but i think this nation will be built by entrepreneurs it's not going to happen by we are seeking jobs or government jobs and stable things and all of that our country will move forward where more people will take risk with their careers and more people taking risks with their careers will result in them creating careers for other people who don't


in them creating careers for other people who don't want to take risks yeah i love that you said that um i think it's been exactly a year since our last conversation and since you're a serial learner uh the obvious question is what have you learned in the last one year but also a side note you're so much calmer than like last year and that's not just you that's everybody man i think that's the pen that's what the pandemic did it either pushed you to the brink of depression and darkness or it made you really calm or some cocktail of the two things i i think uh it's what drives you right uh if risk drives you chaotic situations makes you crying uh uh i i realize that's what my dna was i love crisis way too much uh it almost feel makes me feel alive uh when things are just not perfect and and everything is not in order and and your company could die your runway is running out like there are all these situations drive


running out like there are all these situations drive me uh a lot and i think it comes from probably surviving so many crisis in life as a kid that in your head it it becomes a default state that okay you're not gonna die and you're gonna give it your all and figure out a way out of this situation right and and i think a lot of people feel a lot of calm in crisis because they see the world very differently because they you you have been through so many of them and you see a lot of people going to their first so you it's like i don't know it's like somebody who knows how to ride a bike well sees the first time somebody's riding a bike and you're like tkr like you'll get it just one two times you'll get injured and once you and once you start loving to ride it your life is going to be amazing so that's what i think people who have been through many many crisis feel when they see a lot


through many many crisis feel when they see a lot of people going through that the only thing is the world is forced into maturity right now i mean like we press this button uh which is pandemic and and everybody is forced into thinking that they need to become sharper better uh realize that life is short uh and fragile like so many people our loved ones uh either directly or indirectly in our families have just disappeared right and we would have thought like how is this possible but that's what pandemic does or wars does for a lot of times people in the past have seen this during wars right like cities would be destroyed and civilizations would be destroyed and i think humanity has been fairly resilient this is our time sometimes it's unfortunate but it takes a crisis to bring the best out of us um or the best out of us as a species as a whole like what you said about maturity people call it fast forwarding people call it evolution uh the next stage of


people call it evolution uh the next stage of the human species is here and i think i think it'll really be in 2013 when we have new age technologies and we are going to talk about new age technologies later on in the show but this is a section where i'm going to ask you a lot about productivity because i've been reading a lot of these articles did you read i think it was this new york times article on languishing is this feeling that everyone's going through that um you're not working hard enough it's basically people are questioning their own productivity and then some of them also realizing that hold up i probably only worked for five or six hours productively even when life was normal pre pandemic therefore let me just put in five or six intense hours and i'll be fine but maybe those five or six intense i was also not feeling like a lot so uh the question to you is again because you've done free charge you're doing cred right now you've seen like the startup


doing cred right now you've seen like the startup ecosystem so what's the pandemic actually taught you about the future of jobs but specifically from a productivity perspective also i think the first of all i think people tend to underestimate the power of working really really hard in general right most people think that oh you need work-life balance to achieve things but think about an olympian do you think they are trying to achieve a work-life balance or imagine a team trying to win a world cup uh are they trying to solve for a work-life balance and and i think uh i remember my friend paris chopra he made an interesting observation that the only people who keep complaining about work-life balance who have either a shitty life or shitty work right and i think that's a very good thing to think about that if you truly enjoy both the things of your life it just kind of become a harmonious way of living right and i think coming to your question about productivity or not if you are


to your question about productivity or not if you are feeling it that you are achieving and causing displacement then 5 hours 10 hours 12 hours you can decide right it's like a sport you know how long you are playing it well right and if you need to take a break i think uh i think at least in pandemic we realized that hey maybe it's a good idea to take break in middle of the day why should we work the hours that we used to work what if we take what if we sleep in the afternoon right uh which is what siesta used to be and many indian please have this culture still that everybody goes to sleep in the afternoon uh and it seems to be a very common thing everywhere in the world which suddenly gives you two days in one day because you slept it's like basically you are restarting your computer middle of the day suddenly the all the browsers tabs are shut and and you have fresh browser right and and and it just gives you


fresh browser right and and and it just gives you a better perspective i think what i feel is that most people have realized that uh they have really figured out what is work what does not work what is uh bonding i think what has pandemic is done they've made us work but they have lost the ability to bond with other people let's take an example you're a young person in the office uh and you're loving this chill work from home life you don't need to go to work but imagine all the conversations that you overheard when you were in the office when 10 smart people were discussing stuff loudly in the office and you learn from that that's gone that two instances where you walk up to the lunch table and met somebody smart and overheard a conversation that's gone you meeting these four uh people from your age group and discussing the criticizing your company or uh discussing ideas that's gone because you can't schedule a random bucker session imagine 10 am to 11 am humbucker


session imagine 10 am to 11 am humbucker that's not going to happen right so the thing is that a lot of the stuff that used to happen and i think young people i i really feel they should get back to work they they should get back to the cities that they used to work at because you are not going to get smarter by being hanging around with your parents because you extracted most of their knowledge already right and and you have to get out there if you are vaccinated and if you have kind of uh done all the thing that is required to be i think i'm right now in new york and san francisco and everybody is out there and life is normal right you have to say fine this is it i'm going to get out and actually live the life and live even more because we are so grateful that we have this life yeah right and i think our it's our moral responsibility uh to do more with this life that we have been gifted with right because people life


that we have been gifted with right because people life is so fragile like we have seen people just disappear so if life is so fragile when we have this opportunity to do more what are we waiting for so the thing is that i think the culture of enjoying the joy that you are miracle salary and i'm not even working as many hours the only person who's losing out is you because the guy who is probably working and learning fast they are going to have so much more success because they put themselves out there and learn more and do more and i think that culture has to change it has to really really change yeah i think that's the big criticism that the whole indian startup space gets collectively that we're a bunch of toxic hustlers but i think all of us are people who are just inspired and i'm not trying to say oh we are better than the rest but it takes a certain level of grit to enter the startup world to do your own thing and if we enjoy


world to do your own thing and if we enjoy our work what's the big issue you know with it and i'm sure that even you get some kind of trolling or some hate on protesting why are you asking people to work so much have you ever faced anything like that um it used to impact me early on maybe 10 years ago uh now it's just like oh nobody's hated me arch gal you're like i need to uh you don't feel alive anymore right uh yeah i'll tell you why people hate uh the thing is earlier i used to feel the need to react right now i realized that what else can they do right they they are not i have never seen hate from people who are creating i have not seen hate from people who are uh building stuff more exciting than i am right and i think a lot of times when you see all of these things and say yeah yeah evaluation yes and i think the fact that we don't have it we feel the need to hate right


have it we feel the need to hate right and i think anybody who achieved any amount of success in our country naturally gets way more hate than i have seen because as a society we just probably enjoy that way too much right and and it gives us likes because there'll be 10 other losers will join us and say loser club right yeah and i think the problem of being in loser club is that you become the leader of loser club but you are still a loser because the moment you become winner that same loser club will hate you as well so you stay loser club right so the question is that you enjoy that and why do you enjoy that why do you enjoy hating other people's success and and so i think the the the thing about working hard or startup or hustling or whatever that is right the world has become prosperous only because of this nobody has really seen the world's progress right we try to copy all the cool stuff that the countries have achieved afterwards without


cool stuff that the countries have achieved afterwards without going through the process right like we want these cool working hours uh but that u.s has achieved after 60 70 years of being insanely prosperous and they can afford that look at how china grew china work six days a week 12 hours a day even now the tech companies work as many hours as this that's how they are progressing right but we are like hum already developed countries culture coffee gardening i need to work three days a week and then i need to take it easy but the point is the country still isn't prosperous our per capita income since the sign we spoke has dropped wow okay and like we discussed discussing briefly about bangladesh bangladesh took over in a big way and the female participation of labor has dropped now to six percent 94 of urban indian women do not have independent financial income and and unfortunate but how do how will we become prosperous then i see a standard argument that mismade are you


i see a standard argument that mismade are you jobs in india and this is where the floor is let's understand this for a second 50 classroom of is mba female mba male hypothetically right now suddenly when you see them three years later only uh let's say 70 percent uh of of uh sorry the ratio is now at 70 30 and maybe in two years later it becomes 80 20. now are you saying that these people do not deserve a job they do deserve a job they just don't do the job that is matching their skills for example they're taking care of kids at home or cooking at home hypothetically right now what has really happened what has happened is that that household which could have had two income earning members and hiring 10 people to do low skill work which is cooking and taking care of things and all of that stuff is now replaced by uh people who are not skilled to do better things in life and therefore we don't realize how jobs work because they


therefore we don't realize how jobs work because they are changing skill sets right now only when these two people work suddenly 10 jobs are created if only one gender works in the household right suddenly the number of jobs created are less right now the thing is that we are not realizing some of these concepts and now imagine the guilt of the six and a half percent women who are working imagine there is a parent teacher meeting okay and you go there and and uh suddenly you are running late because you have work and and it's done during the day time when you have working office hours right on a weekday so sometimes you're missing sometimes you take a holiday and come for the penalty day and you see 95 percent of moms are 100 for their kid and you are not so you will feel the guilt of being a minority and want to say oh i also also should leave and take care of my kid full-time wow what has happened to the country now fast forward so the thing is that we


country now fast forward so the thing is that we don't realize that uh if we just have this situation we are not going to be prosperous we cannot have a 5 trillion 10 trillion dollar economy with one gender working when china became prosperous 94 of urban chinese women worked i did something crazy happened that in china i spoke to somebody in china so unfortunately because of the one child policy that they had the society lost its gender what does that mean it means because you were son or daughter it did not matter you had to take care of your parents in the same way and be out there in the same way the society did not assign gender roles wow so everybody was out there earning and living and surviving and suddenly the prosperity took off now it's an unfortunate way of achieving that but if we do not care about this will we achieve much as a country will there be prosperity and the question is as a nation i sometimes wonder do we care


is as a nation i sometimes wonder do we care about prosperity is that even a not star metric what percentage of india is tracking per capita income or knows what is per capita income do they how many people know what their income is amongst others uh like most people don't realize that if you're earning more than uh five lakh rupees per year you are literally in the 0.5 of india and maybe i'm off on the math a little bit but that's ballpark where it is right and when we earn five likes we're like because we com compare ourselves to some super rich person but that's not how math works and that's why we are terrible at probability and understanding the concept of that right that we are not realizing that this country really really really needs to do more to be prosperous we have all these young people who are not skilled and they're not realizing that they need to be out there improving their skills yeah so my sister had a kid recently and i'm


so my sister had a kid recently and i'm observing her life and she's a highly qualified doctor and now she's having to take a slight back seat with uh her career and actually shows her husband because her husband's a pretty progressive guy so he's sort of taken like this not fatherhood hiatus but he has taken a step back and i feel like that's one of the solutions that rather than asking the women to work also as the guys to take part in fatherhood maybe that was something that's not encouraged you know to balance out the kind of intensity that the girls have to go through uh but the second question that you brought up that are people even concerned about prosperity i think gen z in rural india and outside of urban india are um pockets of urban india are as well but people are kind of motivated to kind of uh you know you have that dream of creating more entrepreneurs you have a catchment pool of people who are willing to go down


pool of people who are willing to go down that road so at least this is what i have observed and i am kind of hopeful about where we are going man uh what do you think i think i think you are probably confusing the need to be rich versus uh working towards being rich uh in life right uh everybody wants to be rich because naturally it gives you more options in life and and it gives you more choices in life than other people right someone who's rich can choose to travel wherever they want meet whoever they want and people are likely to respect them a lot more and your twitter is likely to have more following if you are rich in life uh uh and and there are benefits of doing that but nobody is really working on the skills of doing that right uh uh the thing is uh desiring uh the the end state and working towards the end state are confused in my view uh and i think people are confusing watching uh uh youtube they're claiming it or will


watching uh uh youtube they're claiming it or will become skillful that's not going to happen right uh and and that's another thing i've seen that people who love watching content and feeling good about it they don't do much about their life they just watch content and like yeah like that and watch the next video and the thing is that uh look at your time spent on on learning skills per day or watching content every day and and your phone by the way tracks that so you can track right right and i think when you realize that your hours are getting sucked into these things which are just entertaining you uh they have no interest in you going and out there and learning a skill and improving yourself right and nobody's gonna teach you this like your parents have given up telling you to not be on your phone uh nobody at your workplace now can monitor that phone pay okay spent on entertainment has gone way too much up and the thing is does it make us better it makes us


thing is does it make us better it makes us feel less stressed when you watch this funny content and one meme and one viral video and and all of this stuff and maybe this video but life is not going to get better by watching these things right yeah and i think that's not uh happening as much as we should be doing something about it in the same way that go and go no sorry i'm just i'm saying that you discuss about like oh the father should kind of take a step back or whatever i'm saying that why don't we have child care facilities the world became progressive when they had child care facilities to where you can drop your kid and pick them up in the evening post school or the school hours are conducive for work hours why do we have schools that end in the middle of the day are parents supposed to leave their job and pick their kids and feed them like china became prosperous because they had full day schools it matched the work hours of the


full day schools it matched the work hours of the parents considering that you've traveled in china you're learning from people at silicon valley so i'm gonna put you in a slight anil kapoor in nayak scenario if we made you the pm of the country for say a year okay not not a day but a year what would you do in order to increase the productivity of the country don't don't even think too much about it just straight off the top of your head first of all i i wouldn't want that job i am happy doing what i'm doing and and uh but i think if i have to make a recommendation uh to anybody who's leading the country i would say that first clarify if this is our not star or not do we care about prosperity or not let's be very very clear about it right and if you are clear about it then we should observe five to ten nations who have managed to become prosperous and copy their traits right for example bangladesh was much


and copy their traits right for example bangladesh was much behind us and per capita income now they don't need to indians will go there right because that per capita income has taken off right what did they do they had 68 to 70 percent of urban bangladeshi women working and having independent financial income right women when they have independent financial income they build society they educate the society men naturally have a tendency to gamble and invest and do crypto and all that stuff that what gives them joy right and and therefore what happened is uh that society took off so that's one lesson that what could you do to increase the thing and make it culturally okay create facilities what if there were extraordinary government facilities in the cities where you can keep your kids right or private facilities what if it was culturally uh uh what if there's an akshay kumar movie uh which talked about this uh as an issue right and i think it will become okay after that right that's one the second thing


okay after that right that's one the second thing is financial literacy right most people have no clue how money works or investment works or compound interest works or inflation works or how the economy is working how do they have jobs where will their income growth will come from what is the impact of u.s growth uh what is the impact of u.s printing more dollars we have no clue we are oblivious to what's happening to the world so i think teaching financial literacy almost as a compulsory subject in from fifth standard onwards right improve our relationship with money from childhood it's not like like it's almost like sexual health we don't talk about it right it is exactly that it's like health you have to be proactively teaching some of these things right whatever we taught about diet and uh in school like we never not taught the role of carbohydrates and other things and what it does to insulin we had no clue right so what if that kind of stuff is taught about money as well


that kind of stuff is taught about money as well that's second right the third thing is understanding the concept of time right like if you do not understand the value of time as a concept you will take poor decisions with it what if your income per hour is 1000 rupees per hour and you can arrive at the math the way you want right you can say this is my salary divided by number of hours i work uh and per month and this is the income and then doing better decisions your time so let's say let's let's do a math let's say we arrive at a cost which says my income is thousand rupees per hour now questioning that do i do work that generates more income per hour or less for example what if i spend one hour finding a 200 rupees discount for a flight ticket when my income is 1000 rupees an hour what if i was sitting in a plane with no internet connection i have two choices to watch all these videos in my whatsapp groups that were


watch all these videos in my whatsapp groups that were sent to me which is what was most indians do or read a book which will generate more value per hour and the moment you start thinking from that math lens and understand the concept of value of time because the time is not increasing right we've discussed this last time as well that the same time exists for you me mukesh ambani warren buffet they have the same amount of hours per day what do they do with that time is what defines them so treats that as a concept other thing is uh uh encourage more skills and then degrees right uh uh and question uh institutes or uh or or celebrate institutes that seem to be creating impact in terms of jobs uh like we are so addicted to placements as a concept right yeah you have a placement placement there how do you generate your own jobs right like how do you create a thing and the last thing is insane incentives for taking risk what if uh you are incentivized to


taking risk what if uh you are incentivized to take risk and i think we are very early to even understand the concept of our entrepreneurship in the country forget about giving benefits right uh like i i was recently uh talking to somebody and they said hey there are people in uh some arab nation which are saying that they're even giving you salary for the first employee five employees for the first five years to take a risk and become an entrepreneur and and i don't know how true this is but even if that is partially true they are encouraging the culture of taking risk do we encourage the culture of taking risk i don't think so right what if we give medals to entrepreneurs as much as we give to all other fields right what percentage of our national medals are given to people who create jobs right and the moment we do that it will automatically change the country right so i think the fixes the world has improved the prosperity the playbook is the same right whatever


prosperity the playbook is the same right whatever we celebrate will become if we celebrate bollywood we'll all become tick-tockers and and if we celebrate uh fame everybody will try to be cool uh the question is who do we celebrate yeah content drives culture man and when you see shows made on entrepreneurs you'll see a change and i see that happening soon like we're seeing tvf pictures we saw guru mani ratnam's guru which inspired a whole generation we need more content like that honestly because content has the ability to go inside a child's mind and say hey i want to do that uh and again it's like a 10 15 20 or thing you're seeing the new education system reforms that are coming into play so it does kind of encapsulate some of the stuff you said but again they expect that all those reforms will be in place only by 2040. okay now here's here's another um utopian world question i don't call utopian almost apocalyptic world question there is chatter


call utopian almost apocalyptic world question there is chatter that this kind of life in the pandemic you know like where there's a unlock for some time then there's a lockdown for some time there is a possibility that this might go on for a while so considering that could you elaborate on the future of work from home if we actually have to work from home because my answer to this question is that you should divide your work from home time as okay this is the time i'm gonna give office and this is that one hour that i'm going to give my skill set through an online course when the startup world was saying okay tech is the next big boom they were expecting that yes an entire generation is going to understand the drawbacks of the education system that all of us have been put through as indians and then embrace the new age education system which is edtech so what would you say about the future of work from home and maybe this skilling up question also i i'm not uh confident


skilling up question also i i'm not uh confident that we will permanently have work from home i think we're gonna get back to work because like i said people who are going to go and work they'll compound faster and people will feel for more and they'll want to come in and work with them especially in the junior folks right uh if you are senior if you build your networks already you don't need to really go at work you have audio networks from for younger people the networks are formed only when they actually go and meet human beings they can't just link in somebody and tweet somebody and people will show up they do not have the clout to be able to build a network digitally right you don't have a blue tech in life and that's unfortunate but uh that's how life is right if life unlocked anybody who's got a boutique has hustled their way to the blue tank and then they have managed to get access because the world can look at their blue text and


because the world can look at their blue text and say so what i'm saying is that what we need to do is think about a life where most people will get back to work but i think there'll be a lot more flexibility on the hours of working right why should everybody come in the same rush hour peak hours can then you will be allowed to go in the afternoon come early like that kind of stuff will start happening where can you do first half calls on zoom in the of home and then come second half in the afternoon when the traffic is less right that's likely to happen the second thing that's likely to happen is uh people may be encouraged to work from somewhere else as a group somewhere and and work with the team in goa for a month hypothetically and come back and ship the product right that sometimes it's better to when going to office right i think there's going to be also encouragement of uh flexibility on the days you can come to work and the days you


days you can come to work and the days you cannot go like for example can everybody have permanently friday working from home potentially yes right and uh i think there's going to be a lot of change that's going to happen based on that behavior now in terms of dedicating time for becoming better uh you have to schedule it right how do you find to do so many hours of instagram they're the same hours so why don't you find hours to learn and become better and it's hard so start with 30 minutes a day i can tell you one thing that if you're doing 30 minutes a day you're anyways better than 95 percent of the world yeah that's true just 30 minutes a day and it doesn't matter you don't have to take a course or paid course just watch a great education series on youtube take any interest and go deeper into that learn something about your industry uh speak to somebody smarter read a book whatever it is that you learn from and you feel joy of learning just do it


from and you feel joy of learning just do it for 32 minutes to one hour a day just like workouts like it's not like oh i have to do more like i'm sure maybe you'll recommend people that if they work out 30 minutes a day they'll be pretty good yeah right and they'll be better than 95 of people who are not working out every day right so i think it's the same principle it doesn't take too much it just takes the discipline of being out there every day doing it right and what if you made friends who enjoy doing it what if just say we meet people together and say ah netflix series like that what if you made friends come please [Music] and we learned this new skill together guys let's just come to office use the facilities and use the tv to play this content yeah yeah and yeah then i think it's it has to happen it has to happen unless we encourage that and and make it cool make it cool right make it cool to be nerdy


make it cool right make it cool to be nerdy [Music] we have ridiculed nerds way too much yeah um that's the power of compounding right like selecting the right friends it's these micro decisions which your friends influence you to take up for example um again speaking about this whole work from home concept the last time we recorded i was in my room and i remember how many logistical issues you and me had even setting up the podcast and that just fired me up that whole experience of doing all those podcasts from my room fired me up to ensure that the office we're building on which is the office you see around us is also a living quarters for my inner core team so we all live here very happily there's a kitchen there's a bathroom there's a place where they can sleep and we come it's very close to my house by the way we come down and we all brainstorm and we're seeing and exactly what you said is happening where we're watching documentaries and pieces


is happening where we're watching documentaries and pieces that either affect our content creation process or us as human beings because the power of human beings collectively working together is just something else you can't compare to people working from their homes no matter how romantic that is it is it is and i think uh that's what we'll realize uh and i think uh what we need to however realize from this is that if we enjoy the down times then take those down times right uh take that weak cough and travel shut off from work yeah right we have to encourage that behavior we have to encourage a behavior of taking a month off if you have to right and say i'm gonna take the break realize that i need to shut off and think about things more long term in nature and i think that culture has to come in right where we have to say hey i'm working 25 days or 20 days non-stop uh or 22 days nonstop i'm gonna take eight days off together why do i need


take eight days off together why do i need weekday weekends who decided weekday weekend in the right field who came up with that and why are you accepting it [Music] what do you do in your time off i'd actually love to know that and do you actually learn like do you blow off steam because i see you sharing some extremely beautiful memes on your stories so i know that that's an answer that we have and you know memes they say memes are a love language but memes are also a language of communication and humor a lot of people relate to you on instagram based on the memes you share so what do you do in your free time kanasha i'd love to know i think i've realized that when i am like spending time on social media or doing anything else i'm just thinking something else i'm just doing this mindlessly and i think doing stuff mindlessly has an impact of zooming out right like what we do with let's say taking long shower right like it's just the brain


taking long shower right like it's just the brain is kind of wandering and connecting dots and making connections and i think we need more of them to process life right so much happened how do i know what's going on right and i think uh the i the culture of processing information right and comparing notes right let's say i process my day and you process your day and let's say we have friends and in the evening we say yeah this is what i'm observing i think this is what people do i think this is how people become smart and you're like me that's not what is true you've observed it wrong and then oh we have become better every day imagine you have people who reflect day with you every day right and i think some people can do it on their own if they have the ability to critically analyze themselves right most people can't do that because let's say if you've been told can love yourself no matter what then they'll not improve too much right because they have been


not improve too much right because they have been told love yourself but the thing is the human process has to become better right uh so for example we cannot change how we look uh and and how we are uh but we can change our mind we can change our brain every day it's not visible but it's changing right and i think if we can create a culture of saying that hey let's process the thing let's processed my feelings what did i go through what why did i react this way should i react is there a benefit in reaction in life right i don't know any person who says i'm glad i was angry so then why are you losing control every now and then right and only when you process emotions and you think about it without emotions you realize what are you doing why are you behaving this way why are you rude with this person why are you angry with this person what if you just have a conversation with them instead of being passive aggressive for months workplaces are classic


of being passive aggressive for months workplaces are classic for that people do not give honest feedback to each other they keep this passive aggression and mistreatment for a long period of time and i think that approach to processing life and going through the day and say and and comparing with people who are smarter than you right if you make your own notes then you will only come up with this thing that you don't believe in and your conclusions may be terrible what if you share your conclusions with somebody else imagine your own version as teenager all the conclusions you came in the day were stupid you think back so imagine always you are teenager for somebody else in life and it's not about age it's about experience yeah so somebody at your age may have way more experience to tell you yeah yeah stupider what you're thinking is an idiotic thing right or tell you other way around saying that hey you are not seeing it this person is taking advantage of you this person is using you you


taking advantage of you this person is using you you are not uh getting what you should be getting paid for your work right and you will do better and i think nobody has a counsel so i believe that i think people should form a group of people try to find people better than them hang with them take feedback from them five minutes with them will probably be more valuable than five hours of people who are not better than you yeah uh again a discovery of doing this podcast actively i feel people should just take a podcast not to release them but for themselves it is an incredible experience so speaking about uh podcast i don't care about uh the rest of this conversation other than this one part that i'm going to ask you now which is all your future tech learnings and i'll tell you why and before you share your future tech learnings i'd love to share some of my recent learnings with you okay so the first learning is something called yoga nidra and just the power of yoga in general


nidra and just the power of yoga in general dude holy that's something i've taken up for the last three four months and i figured how much stretching is related to your mental state of mind your mental health your mental fitness and also just how you're perceiving problems and i had a neuroscientist on the show this guy called dr balan jalal he actually explained the biological aspect of it that you know okay now if you're happy you automatically smile so there are muscles that pull your lips in a particular way but if you force those muscles to pull your lips out and fake a smile your head also gets happy so in the same way when you're stressed your body tightens up and when you're relaxed your body loosens up now what if you're actually able to physically lose in your body that means your head also kind of loosens up a bit because there's a reverse uh neural pattern yoga and yoga nidra especially have you heard of yoga nidra i've heard a


have you heard of yoga nidra i've heard a bit about it i've not really practiced it dude it's it's like a relaxation exercise basically you have to lie down it's a certain breathing it's different kinds of breathing techniques but it legit switches you off it's it's sort of like you're simulating three to four hours of sleep in about 20 minutes in about 15-20 minutes and it's incredible like instead of a mid-day nap if you take about yoga nidra it's a life hack again heard it from a neurobiologist and then i went into like the whole yoga study side of things so that's the first learning that yoga holds some sort of super power the second learning is how different gen z is as compared to all of us especially urban gen z way more intelligent also way more effect up like just crazy angry like they are angry in life it's because of that excess of information they have probably slightly weaker relationships and fewer relationships so not a very high


relationships and fewer relationships so not a very high level of empathy and not a very high level of eq but incredible levels of intelligence i'm very curious to see what they turn into and that's why also seeing so much mental health chatter because they actually are dealing with way more mental health problems than our generations did side note you should watch this show called dave have you seen it it's about a rapper called lil dicky you should check it out whenever you're free you've seen entourage ever so this is the next the sequel to entourage but it's a more intelligent version of it from a modern context and every episode addresses a human insecurity so something is one of them is where you're insecure about someone's money about your relationship about your merit like your ability artwork very very crazy show an underrated you know people are going to discover that show the way they discovered game of thrones and entourage later um okay and the third learning is obviously future tech dude i just got into reading


obviously future tech dude i just got into reading a lot of you al noah harari over the last couple of years first of all i was feeling bad that i didn't discovered earlier but secondly i discovered everything that's coming our way and since you're in silicon valley which many people consider to be the center of future tech what do you think is up what do you think is great from an indian perspective and what are you personally most pumped about in terms of all the technologies that are coming our way is it flying cars you're interested in is it things like neuralink is it other forms of biohacking what's up in your head like what's intriguing you uh i think what happened because of pandemic and the you realize that the moment you relax uh innovation when not put too much regulation behind it and say we have to survive as a species and figure out a vaccine and dude we figured out a wax in in a year's time that's the


a wax in in a year's time that's the most crazy thing that has happened right and that gives us confidence to so many people to go attack so many things that we are dealing with as species and so many fields and you will see an impact happening to cancer you will see an impact happening to other aging related issues that are going to happen and suddenly you will see this going to be a step function change to medical field because all these people are like damn it like we can go on and on and go after it and in the name of covet there will be so much parallel research that will come out right right i was telling somebody imagine a thought experiment that's another hack by the way doing thought experiments is the smartest way of becoming sharper in life uh by doing these simulations in your head right let's take an example let's do a thought experiment what if uh right now olympics bans usage of drugs okay what if it was not the case drugs


okay what if it was not the case drugs are allowed an olympic is about extraordinary human performance whatever drugs are allowed to be used suddenly you will see humans becoming super humans through drugged up versions and that experiments will result in lot of scientific discoveries on curing diseases and and finding out what human cells do and our lungs do our breathing do when our muscles do right and suddenly it will change so the question is uh and it's a crazy thought experiment right you see the benefit of it right and and the moment you realize that if you can force a scenario like this in a short period of time the species accelerates in a very different way right so my view is that medical field is going to see such crazy innovations that will take a lot of capital away for us for example let's say i'll i'll give you my personal observation so i i i had mild covet uh personally and i lost my taste uh uh and smell and i thought that was


uh uh and smell and i thought that was the fastest way of being healthy what if i could switch off my smell and taste for periods of time the need to eat more which is a addictive loop would be suppressed imagine uh we got this vaccine that saves us from covered right what if we had a vaccine that reduced our craving for carbs now it's a crazy thought i i know there's a medical complexity to pull this off or whatever but what if uh what if uh we had a vaccine that makes us uh puke after we consume over a certain amount of carbs instead of storing it as fat hypothetically now compare that vaccine to the covet vaccine which vaccine will save more lives and it's crazy and it medical thing doesn't work that way and i'm imagining all this stuff but the reality is uh all the beautiful inventions have happened by people imagining these things every scientific product is somebody's some sci-fi person's imagination before right so i think


some sci-fi person's imagination before right so i think we're going to see a massive amount of innovation where people are going to be a lot more bold and allow innovations to happen right when you relax a lot of these regulations and how innovation should be done in the field of humans we will see a lot of progress right uh other thing that is likely to happen is connectivity and communication right what work from home did is figure out a way that we can now connect with the global world without really meeting them right we are able to do this podcast uh we are able to kind of connect with anybody in the world if there is an interest and we can uh exchange ideas learn be better right uh wouldn't it would it be surprising if the best physics teacher in the world teaches all of indian kids physics it's not hard to imagine anymore right so the thing is that we are going to go through these evolutions where we will fundamentally ask is this good enough right and


will fundamentally ask is this good enough right and that's going to happen very very soon right in terms of our realization about yoga health all of these things is going to come a lot more because more people who we think are somebody who are supposed to influence us are more like likely to talk about it and discover it for example this conversation where you made this yoga nidra conversation happen is gonna get more people to look it up on youtube and probably try it and what if it works for them right so i think some of these concepts of what seem to be better for humans will kind of spread at a much faster speed right uh the other thing that's going to happen is uh people who actively participate in learning will see an exponential growth in their income and skills and people who don't will go like this so my worry is that the income divide of the world is going to grow even further people don't understand that there is not just income divided there is a skills


there is not just income divided there is a skills divide that is happening yeah yeah and the skills divide is causing the income divided to be even further generational wealth is a separate issue that continues with people but the thing is first generation right i i don't come from a wealthy family i i came from a lower middle class family with not much uh money growing up for most of my life right i had one shoe for all of my college right uh uh and and you see in that one generation there is an exponential change so if you are not on that path if you are not on that bus if you are not on that rocket you are going to be going down because the world requires more and more skilled people so i think uh there is going to be a massive divide that's going to happen unfortunately what will happen is democracy will force a lot of these people to leave the country i'll tell you why let's take a fast forward view some people make a lot of wealth


fast forward view some people make a lot of wealth and create thing and there'll be a lot of people uh who are there who are not making a lot of wealth but the way the democracy works everybody can vote one vote each so suddenly you will be like oh let's tax the rich more they'll say oh i don't need to be here in this country i'll go to countries that don't tax me at all so what if we lose all our wealthy people will we become prosperous as a nation and i'm seeing it like some tens of thousands of dollar millionaires have left the country more are considering to leave especially with this coveted uh situation if we hate our wealthy will leave there are better countries who are welcoming them with for their skills so i think we are not realizing how some of these things will pan out i think therefore there's going to be a massive divide that's going to happen other thing about mental health i think most people are not realizing that a bulk


i think most people are not realizing that a bulk of mental health issues are happening because of lack of human connection right the social connection right gen z which is supposed to be insanely more social than some of the older folks are locked at home by their parents who are worried right and they are like oh i'm online doing my gaming talking to this person i am on instagram but and suddenly the reason you are feeling that you have uh this anxiety and all of that because suddenly you are 20 different personalities and 10 20 different inboxes there is no one person anymore you have become decentralized and suddenly you don't feel who you are there is no one identity but in the offline world when we go out and chill with people we are one person we are this one thing now in 20 inboxes we are 20 different people and that is causing this identity uh lapse or or identity uh crumbling that is happening where we feel we don't exist anymore or we we are


feel we don't exist anymore or we we are in this 25 in boxes who are we so i think the need for human connection is going to be big again right uh because that's where we become who we are yeah don't become who we are online we become probably a nastier version of us if you're left alone too long because we don't care we we have no remorse for doing bad behavior right uh uh and a lot of times a lot of the posting and all that stuff you see is just crying for attention yeah right so i think that's going to happen uh and i do believe that the solution to some of the mental health stuff we think here oh i should be uh going to therapy i think for more severe cases yes you need to but it should not become cool to say yeah i have a therapist like my view is that we do not have the capacity to have that many people treated properly it should be left for more severe cases and most people should think about


for more severe cases and most people should think about human connection building strong relationships and they will see massive improvement in their own mental health if they spend less time on their phone yeah and more with human beings human beings that they care about human beings they love human beings that they uh uh believe in growing together with right so i think we are going to see a lot of this stuff but back to your question on tech it's going to get harder and harder because the smarter people are going to find more ways to compound faster and faster and the divide will keep growing again and again and again and this time around they don't even need as many humans to grow more so i think we are entering a very unique world where the divides are going to be bigger and we have will have the choice to respect that divide and aspire for it or drive them away most countries are going to drive away their wealthy and most smart countries will pull these wealthy people in them and


smart countries will pull these wealthy people in them and we will have these two different worlds that will emerge where all wealthy seem to be in one place and and all non-wealthy will be in one place and the evolution of these two places will be different and as a country we should work insanely hard to not have brain drain yeah yeah we should we should insanely make it easy for people to stay here earn more become more wealthy so that they create jobs right i think that the natural beliefs that we have is that every wealthy person is a chore and if you look at the content when we like we only have like content of uh scamsters uh are made big on uh ott right like scam 92 banardia and and bad boy billionaires what about all these millions of people who have been around and build jobs yeah there is not black and white is grey but teach people grey right guru was like somewhat you could see the grey and and you could appreciate that right


the grey and and you could appreciate that right where is that content where is the story of hundreds and hundreds of entrepreneurs who built this nation yeah yeah right uh and and there are so many of them so many of them who've done so much for this country right we don't know their stories we don't know what their life was all about we we know story of every single scamster and every single mafia dawn and every single uh person who did the wrong things to become rich and famous why are we not seeing the struggle is it boring is that why we don't make this content so i think hopefully it will change but if you look at us every successful person who has made it big wealth there is a documentary or a movie about them right when will we that when will we see that so i think my view is that a lot of this stuff will drive crazy outcomes the question is that uh as a country do we realize it sooner or it'll be too late some very


it sooner or it'll be too late some very interesting stuff you said about people leaving the country and maybe there'll be a country full of rich people there is a futuristic theory that the human species is going to evolve into two branches of itself one is going to be the rich who will be able to afford designer babies using biohacking so stronger higher immunity more intelligent babies and the other branch is going to be people honestly like you and me right now or people around us who don't have the money to be able to afford designer babies in 2050 when it's available so at least that's what you are says that everyone's got to prep for 2050 when the richest of the rich will be able to afford designer baby though at least you know the the richer people will kind of be able to go into that branch of human evolution i i don't even think it's 20 50. um it's gonna happen sooner maybe it's already happening we just don't know about


it's already happening we just don't know about yeah yeah for sure which which brings me to the second last question before we enter the twitterverse round the second last question is what are the domains you're interested in as an investor the domains you know is it is it biohacking because you seem to be passionate about it is it artificial intelligence related stuff like what are you thinking what's in your mind i think i i don't care about these labels honestly all these labels are cool i'm just saying that if something is dramatically more efficient than what it was in the past it's evolution it will wipe out everything else in the past and i think the speed of creating products that are way more efficient than the past is increasing dramatically right and the moment that happens it's over yeah and i think we we don't realize that some of these things are already happening in our life constantly around us so the the way to think about this is uh if we create more things that are in


is uh if we create more things that are in the zone of uh becoming better right if you're thinking of how do i do this better how do the best people do this stuff right how do the people do this and if you start mimicking some of these pathways on becoming more efficient of doing these things like for example like let's say you're doing this podcast what have you learned from the top 10 podcast guys how do they run their setup and and there was knowledge sharing that was happening constantly and you were like oh this is cool that is cool i should be doing this this i should be doing and boom you will become better you'll generate more content high quality content what if you understand what kind of content is likely to get reception right right now we post content hope that something will become big what if you could get what if every time we are doing this chat we could get a score live on this thing that oh this is gonna get very high likes what if we


this is gonna get very high likes what if we knew this real time right what if every time you took a picture of the world you the the camera predicts how many likes are you going to like on get on instagram of this picture and these are not hard to imagine things they will all happen uh in our lifetimes because there are really smart people working on so many smart things uh we should not be just consumers we have to participate and being part of creator or be very close to creators right think of them as uh these heat pods don't be too away from them be close to them and your life will see the heat uh transfer to you as well yeah yeah and again i mean i'm not trying to blow my own trumpet but podcasts are one of those pathways because you get an insight into someone's mind and i started the podcast for this exact reason because i gained a lot from the tim ferriss on the journey and i felt like india needed something like this


and i felt like india needed something like this so uh since the theme of this episode is productivity the final question related to productivity is on a personal level how do you measure it for yourself because that's honestly the mentorship i want from you at this stage i'm having those questions in my head because of staying at home or this alternate working setup while you're going to office was pretty direct but right now there's there are questions related to how does one measure their own productivity i think it's very simple like i told you that put some value to an r and some imaginary value to an r and say and look at your calendar of last week and see how many hours were you doing more valuable stuff than your value of an hour and how many stuff were lower than that and start delegating some of these things i'll give you an example i've seen sort of young founders are involved in the office concert and this and that decision right that's not valuable of their time they should delegate some


not valuable of their time they should delegate some of their decisions right uh and and we spend disproportionate time on oh what should we order and these are good things if it's helping you build relationships right so let's say you are doing it with a loved one you're planning a vacation it's a good thing there are good ways to feel bonded right but if you do this for life to save money or not treat your team to trust them to do these things you're doing low value work yeah if you do low value work the team is doing even lower value work so the simple hack of productivity is very simple am i doing high value work then what my value per hour is gone so right and you can arrive at the math anywhere you want it doesn't matter whatever the math you arrive at just try to do better than that and your value will keep going average your baseline will shift on the top and then re-evaluate again right that's one productivity hack that thing is to talk about


one productivity hack that thing is to talk about the second is uh please research and look up what productivity means most people don't understand what this means and they say alright productivity means like hustling about that's not productivity the word productivity is very simple the yield per hour right like what is the yield you are generating and and if you can understand the concept of yield research and don't wait for this podcast to spoon feed you because it will you will not learn it in my my suggestion of becoming a productivity learn something teach somebody about productivity that's how you will learn productivity don't consume teach create and then you'll learn what is productivity right the other thing is realizing that ultimately value is given to people who do not work as hard physically for the dollar they earn right uh virat kohli does not make a lot of money by playing cricket but doing ads right so you have to understand that ultimately you will see all the people who are successful they naturally


will see all the people who are successful they naturally don't do as much physical work to make their money versus how they either they use their currency of fame or their brain or whatever which is not as high on physical labor right so i think the thing is naturally moving away from physical labor right like for example as a country we are celebrating farmers a lot because they are a large part of our uh what thing but if you notice every country that has become prosperous the number of people dependent on agriculture keeps going down so the thing is that you think about these factors and and build on top of that so uh and i think that is what is needed uh in terms of uh other thing of productivity just observe people who are successful and make notes how do they do a meeting how do they talk how do they get work done if they have a problem how do they solve it if they need to do something and achieve something how do they go about doing it if they need


how do they go about doing it if they need to learn something how will they go about doing it and when you observe this in three to five people you will see a pattern copy that pattern then you will go to the next level then you will meet other level of monsters who are better than you also then copy them as well then become better than them as well right so the thing is that if you if you learn the art of mastery by seeing some of the masters and how they do that and and you don't have to always meet them you can observe them digitally you observe them talking about stuff through podcasts you can see how they solve their problems uh the moment you do that and you apply some of these models and how they take decisions you will start becoming better right and ultimately it's about decision what do i do with this time i have one hour i can go left and right how do you take a good decision right i can do 25 things with today when i am free what do


25 things with today when i am free what do i do with it i think people who ultimately make good decisions make a lot of progress right and the question is that first ask yourself do you really care about progress and it's okay if you don't care about progress life is cool there are a lot of people who like that around us who are chilling i think most people are not sure if they really care about progress they are they are just uh observing it and feeling that i need to do this yeah so we were going to do a whole twitter verse around but i feel like let's leave that for a whole other episode one because you're very active on twitter and i'm one of your learners off of your twitter account so thank you for giving us aspects of higher education i don't i can't exactly define the subject that you're putting out on twitter but there are these little learnings of life uh that we're picking up from your free charge and your credit journey uh and probably end this


charge and your credit journey uh and probably end this podcast by just wishing you the best man as always um i see that from the last time we spoke you're a lot calmer like the rest of us so whatever is going right for you i'm happy that it's going right for you man and keep going uh i appreciate you being on the show brother and i appreciate you answering all my personal questions as well absolutely always a pleasure dude thank you bye-bye thank you brother appreciate it so you guys listeners of the show that was the podcast for today talking to people like canalsha has honestly been the biggest gift of podcasting for me we started out this podcast purely to share some of the most interesting conversations i was having but little did i know that it two years into podcasting is going to become a huge learning process for my own mind a huge learning experience for me of course i intend on bringing conalsha back on the runway show hopefully we'll do


back on the runway show hopefully we'll do a trs hindi episode at some point but as for this episode kanaja sort of forced me to look within from a very professional standpoint on a personal level there are things that have been bothering me about my own productivity about this concept of languishing that i brought up on the show about my own near future with all these startups that we're trying to do i have to kind of look at things mathematically and figure out how to work in my most efficient way that's what i got through this episode and i hope that you enjoyed this one as well make sure you follow the runway show on spotify with a spotify exclusive now every episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world please make sure you like the episode please make sure you share it with your friends drop a comment tell us on our social media who else would you like to watch on the runway show entrepreneurship-based episodes are some of my favorite episodes to


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if you've ever craved an extremely deep conversation that includes talk about the law of attraction or about ghosts about the mysteries of the universe the information related to all these things has been present in indian culture for centuries but it's hidden within all the ancient scriptures that our culture has to offer the scriptures written in sanskrit the bhagavad-gita the garud quran all these books many books that you may not even have heard of today on the show we have one of the most special souls that have come across one of the most knowledgeable human beings that i've come across he goes by the name of god gauranga das prabhu he's a monk affiliated with iskan he's dedicated his entire life to learning unearthing and sharing the knowledge that's hidden in ancient indian culture you will need to listen to this podcast or watch this podcast more than once because it's extremely heavy remember guys this is just part one of this special conversation i do recommend that before you head


this special conversation i do recommend that before you head into this episode you listen to the conversation we had with gorgopaldas prabhu last year before the lockdown even began that's sort of the precursor to this particular conversation this one's way heavier that one was a much more healing form of this conversation remember guys our goal with the runway shows to always bring you progressively heavier content and i promise you it's gonna keep getting heavier from here on this conversation was very close to my heart and i hope you guys enjoy it i also hope that you guys follow us on spotify the rnb show is a spotify exclusive now every episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world this is part one of a very special conversation with god gauranga das prabhu so much has been learned in this one i cannot wait for you guys to experience this the way i experienced it enjoy yourselves thank you so much ranvi for having me on this show thank you


much ranvi for having me on this show thank you very much just being in your presence is giving me a lot of peace so i'm looking forward to this conversation uh honestly these kind of conversations with people who are blessed i feel happen to me when i need them the most it's it's more i hate saying this but it's more of a selfish thing for me like i feel i feel honored i feel like i'm going to get some of the answers i was in the search for so has this ever happened to you when you were younger definitely because i was always very inquisitive about what's the purpose of life and that's how i chanced upon the gita and met people so that's the purpose of human life to ask the right questions and get the right answers yes so so um i think people on social media would have definitely heard of jai shetty what they don't know that even jay shetty's journey began with conversations like this with you um you know before he


conversations like this with you um you know before he got onto social media yes i want to actually dial back even further than that so what's your story like when you were in your early 20s where did it begin yeah i was studying at iit mumbai and you know i had some friends who were really into the bhagavad-gita and i was always intrigued about death you know as you know that every profession in this world is solving some problem doctor is solving the problem of health engineer is solving problems related to you know various kinds of issues people are facing so then i was wondering where do the spiritualists the temples where do they fall in this entire gamut of activities what problems do they solve then when i came across the gita i realized that all spiritual traditions are ultimately working towards the common goal of trying to solve the problem of death okay so that was something astonishing and hit me like anything and that's how my journey began in the fourth year


how my journey began in the fourth year of iit so can you explain that like what exactly about death did you discover yeah so as you know that there is a life we lead till death and then beyond death what happens so all of the current secular education is focused on how we can try to resolve issues till death but all our spiritual traditions are focusing that how there is a soul within which can travel beyond death so just like you have make my trip so you begin with your destination and begin with your current place so all spiritual traditions irrespective of names denominations languages have five things in common i call it spirituality 101 okay the first is where you are where is your consciousness currently point number two is where you want to go what is your destination point number three is what is the experience you are expecting on reaching your destination as part of your journey of the soul fourth is what is the path you want to take in that journey and fifth is what


to take in that journey and fifth is what are the obstacles you will face in that path so all traditions deal with these five questions only and as you change the details of one of these parameters the name of the tradition the name of the religion will change yes sir so these basic things i experienced when i started studying the bhagavad-gita so i think at that age 20 to 23 mark there are a lot of people go through somewhat of a spiritual transformation i don't know if there's a spiritual reason for that it happens at that age um it happened to me as well um but in in those years 22 to 25 i never thought of taking a monk hood i mean actually that thought did cross my head a few times because when i talk to people like yourself i see so much peace in your eyes and i see so much happiness in your eyes and i feel like you know that's that's maybe what's missing from the human race in general but anyway when people are


the human race in general but anyway when people are at that 22-23 age bracket they never think of i'll become a monk they think i'll go down the spiritual path so what happened with you where you decided that okay i'm going to take a monkhood right so you know in india there are 15 lakh engineering graduates who come out every year and it's a fact that uh you know majority of them they do jobs and do businesses but a few of them also land back in engineering colleges as professors so similarly bhagavad-gita originally was spoken to arjuna who was a warrior but then a few people also are inspired to dedicate their lives to teach the gita so i got inspired by the fact that well india has you know almost 27 crore students in first to 12 standard and three crore in colleges but i don't see that they are actually getting the clarity with respect to the message of the gita so let me do my bit by sharing


the gita so let me do my bit by sharing this message with the people and so i dedicated my life to spreading the message and teaching the bhagavad-gita otherwise the gita is meant for the whole world to practice it in their own lives and you know as jai has written a book think like a monk so the idea is that gita is promoting the consciousness of living with the spirit of detachment compassion and service irrespective of whatever may be your external profession and occupation so i think most people associate the github being religious uh but it's actually a life guide as of what i have understood you know when we spoke to guru called the kind of outcome of that was it's just a guide to life so so um i'd love to ask you you know about your beginnings with that book in terms of was there anything you read in the gita that really shifted things for you as a youth like when you were 22 because i know you were in the search for answers about death


know you were in the search for answers about death but uh any anything that just shifted your mindset yeah there is one specific verse in bhagavad-gita which really uh brought out this concept very strongly especially about how in spite of the fact that things change within around us there are certain things which do not change and in the second chapter krishna says so as you have spoken about gita being a religious or a way of life that debate is happening happening endlessly but you know basically the whole idea of religion and spirituality is all about helping a person understand their journey of the soul in life and beyond life so it all depends on how you look at things when we experience physical pain we go to a hospital when we experience mental and emotional pain in vedic india we had hospitals known as mandir which means hospital for the mind so therefore you know when i read this particular verse i realized that this verse says the body goes through multiple changes when you are one


the body goes through multiple changes when you are one year old 5 year old 10 year old 20 year old 40 year old 80 year old but although your body is changing physically the soul within is not changing because even now when i am talking to you you are referring to when you were 21 years old when you were 18 years old when you were five years old so there is an unchanging you and an unchanging eye which makes me share things with you as if i have been the unchanging witness of all those changes around me so all these religious traditions and religious texts like the bhagavad-gita you know they speak about how the soul does not change as the body changes because the greatest fear and anxiety people go through as 300 million people globally are going through anxiety and stress one of the greatest causes for that fear is the fear of change which is thrust upon us beyond our control and against our will so all these spiritual traditions and these religious books they help cope with


traditions and these religious books they help cope with that fear saying that hey there is something which is not changing at all and nothing in this creation can make that change your own existence as a spiritual being the soul are we in spiritual times like this whole situation we're going through for the last one and a half years with kovitt what is happening like i mean all of us are collectively going through this as souls so many people have lost family members so many people have seen suffering uh we even see natural calamities like all over the world freak accidents my take on it is that something is definitely happening my spiritual take on it is i wish to learn so just what is your opinion whatever's happening around us so yeah thank you ranbir for that uh very pertinent question i'm glad that you know you have such a deep positive perspective on learning from situations and that is precisely you know what the bhagavad-gita is talking about saying that you know there


is talking about saying that you know there are going to be always three types of distresses which human beings will experience it's called adidas and it is part of the design of the system so basically when you are in a system when you are dealing with your laptop you should know how the laptop will function so all of these spiritual literatures like the bhagavad-gita are like manuals which are given with the working of the world to help us understand that so adidas refers to supernatural calamities which come floods earthquakes various kinds of you know distresses which are due to natural calamities second is adi bhatik distresses which are caused by other living entities that includes the diseases that includes various kinds of crimes which are committed that includes wars third is miseries which are caused from within and people experiencing depression anxiety stress so all these three are going to be concomitant factors of life in this world and therefore all these spiritual texts help us cope with