whether it's Leggero mana by whether it's PK well as three deeds whatever we have done we have believed in that film so I think some when all your films we do see the same model you know that there's that saying of if you want an arrow to go for you pull it back a bit for this year so I think that can encapsulate that whole idea I want to ask you foresee seeing this whole office space um I feel like one there's a lot of creative energy generally you I'm sure even the way you've selected your team it's a very creative team and usually what I see with creative professionals who vie hi oh it's sometimes difficult to teach them how to monetize their craft how to make money off creativity here I want to ask you that same question so you've been like a writer or director producer UVU an actor yeah and you've gone and kind of monetize that whole process you made money off it you made a curio of it so what's that one piece of


curio of it so what's that one piece of advice that you have when it comes to monetizing your art because I feel it's a very relevant thing today you know I have never thought of it like that okay I have always pursued my art okay and it's monetize itself because the moment you start thinking of monetizing you're out your bastardizing bastardizing it whatever the world yeah because you can't do that you have to say this is what I want to do I will do to the best of my ability and let me tell you it will monetize itself I mean I'm a living example of that speaking about you I want to go back to one of your stories there was a movie you made called khamoshi s and it was the first movie made out of this studio yes and I read the plot of them we are not seen it yeah very complex plot way ahead of like 80s you weren't able to sell it to any distributor if I just didn't buy and then I think


if I just didn't buy and then I think you kind of went about that whole process yourself it was a crazy thing I made commotion praise that from nobody bought it yeah and everybody I mean Yash Chopra said it's great and then the craziest thing that happened to me there was a great distributor Yash is his name was Golson right huge huge system and his son Rajiv Rai one day I got flowers and it says great film whatever from Gulshan line Rajiv right and I was married to rainy solution then my return and I said oh film begins you know and then we waited for the phone to ring it injury we had you know the usual rum and coke that night and we were celebrating a finally our film is so nobody bought that film and then then nobody called and we never went to the loo also one of us used to stand next to that one phone Kaiba jaga finally nee Baga so I called mr. Gholson right I said I


so I called mr. Gholson right I said I want to meet you he called me I went there and I said to him kay I met him and I said thank you for the flowers sir and I made commotion he said brought flowers which film what are you talking about I said I got flowers from you he's a meaning of man you know Rajeev Nvidia he called Rajiv to full-page I go even though Chopra isn't a manufacturer you know so I went to Rajiv Rai and he said it's a great film and you don't because he was a director so I said will you buy it yes I know that my father does so didn't buy it and then the crazy thing that happened to me I had a friend Shiv Kumar Subramanyam who had worked with me and I was walking with my daughter or he says if you believe in this film so much why don't you release it it was a dumb thing to say how can I release a film I said but


say how can I release a film I said but how can I release it why not and I thought about that run read what I did was completely crazy I hired one cinema Regal because monix it was the then owner I showed him the film he liked it one cinema I put the hoardings that time used to put holdings I hired it and put my phone there so I was a distributor which means that if I would not be able to give an FDC 8 lakhs loan I would be dead because my bank balance was not even eight thousand rupees okay day one me Renu Saluda be neutral on my camera man we are in the movie theatre and it's empty nobody's at 3 o clock show and in the balcony there was just four or five guys in one corner there was us and nobody else and I completely panicked I made notes I said cut the scene this scene is not working that scene is not working that's in it not only and it finished and I


that's in it not only and it finished and I told her I said you are yes I raised him that day she said I won't touch it not till the last night show I said I am the producer Obito member akahl movie home because I'm married to a very calm woman for many years 25 years but that I was very aggressive I used to carry a knife in all as a violent bugger Wow so I said no you can't do this is my film I'm the producer and Beno to cut down there was a coffee shop in Regal Cinema I don't know whether it's there now down and I was so angry and I went to the loo and in the loo while I'm taking a leak those three four guys one of them said to Keiko a lot that producer I get to [Laughter] visit engine guy deleted there a night show fool eh Wow I got a shock of my life so I came out I started looking for the guy confining in the next two hours there


the guy confining in the next two hours there was a houseful board for the 9:00 p.m. show and 9:00 p.m. those four guys were the Black Keys that then the ticket used to sell in black and risako Ghana these catalysts is catalysis Kajal and I looked at him is it 11 ha ha those guys who made the film run it didn't run for 2 weeks it ran for six weeks every week I used to get extension and while running there I sold Lu PC PCI and everything in recovered my money so it's a crazy story for young people what's the model for you on a personal level seeing this appointment and then seeing it work no I'm very clear if you believe in something just do it okay I mean Chikara are you crazy 11 how old are you I'm 26 so it's half your life when I started the film you have 15 year think about it Ranveer yes hundra's al gotta do and I in 11 years I can make three mana wise


I in 11 years I can make three mana wise and figure out how much money I would make in those films just figure out shut your eyes and think thousands of crores he's 11 years of my life to a people young people to new actors to a cash merely pundit crisis of four lakh Kashmiri Pandits thrown out of Kashmir no 11 years of my life are you crazy right before this conversation actually saw a documentary featuring your mom yeah she had actually experienced the whole Exodus back then and it was a documentary which was like short and yours after the incident and she goes and visits place I'm gonna be linking that in the description so I want to ask you this one kind of personal question please do personally for me on a personal level a lot of the things I do in my career that little extra push I give in my own work is for my mother is there a similar emotion for you in this film for this film is for me everything like this whole


for this film is for me everything like this whole film I did for my mother because when she died in 2007 and she couldn't go back to Cushman she told me ke ho said get the better film money so in 2008 I started writing this is this I wouldn't have made this film if she wasn't wasn't my mother yeah so it is really made for her so what is what has she spoken to you about the incidents everything because I was grown up I know everything everything she said is in the film everything she experiences in the film actually her name was Shanti Devi and the character in the film Satya who plays is called Shanti so the film is really in a way her life and what we all went through I mean think about it just think about it where do you stay another to imagine her in the other you wake up tomorrow and outside your house there is a little thing saying when we get out of the other in one month or you'll be shot dead how will you


one month or you'll be shot dead how will you react and then your neighbors are shot and then they say everybody by the name whatever what is your full name Alaba Alaba Diaz would be shot dead and you have to leave the other within one month and you cannot go back to the other for 30 years it's 30 they haven't yet gone back yet the young looks wound Rayna politicians will name Parliament means only tomorrow a podcaster who Naga was with 30 years can you imagine you can't go back to the other it's crazy so if I gave you 11 years of my life I gave it because I really think this story needs to be told can you explain this a little deeper like why did it actually take 11 years but because see when you do when you become passionately involved with something see there is another important thing this is also true for your show let me and this is true for that monetization thing you said in my Bergman if you know as a Swedish


in my Bergman if you know as a Swedish filmmaker is a Grand Master in cinema he had the principles he said commandments of cinema and there are ten I'll tell you the first three which this office believes it number one commandment when you make a film is dough shall entertain that's the most important thing if this show you're doing with me is boring nobody's going to see it yes bottom line yes so if I make Chikara and it's a boring film nobody's paying 200 bucks you see it you have to entertain number one because people are paying money if these young people go to see my film on Friday I hope they're going to buy tickets no yes so 200 300 400 if I if it's a boring film why should they pay they shouldn't so number one commandment thou shalt entertain the second commandment which is critical though shall entertain without selling your soul make your show don't sell your soul make your cinema don't sell your soul be yourself be


cinema don't sell your soul be yourself be yours beat honest to yourself and the third commandment of course is make every film as if it's your last and and it can be I'm 67 maybe the film releases this Friday I pop it on Sunday I can but I'm not saying I will but you know so this is like so when you do something as if it's your last think you think when you edit the show me you think that this is the last show of your whatever you do you will kill for it - out of writing directing and producing if you only had to choose one what would you do I hate producing I would never produce but you know your name is synonymous with being a proton unfortunately I have I my name should have been a co-creator okay see in India MacArthur can I'm getting it I wanna buy MBBS Manila Kia hmm or a mecha namib now Oh director come and hug occur the atomic peach a producer II Bunya I hate


the atomic peach a producer II Bunya I hate producing I should have created a new category saying co-creator and that would have been the right thing I don't like producing at all no I hate marketing I hate producing I love writing I love editing which you forgot I love editing my ability by the way this is my editing your camera coma thorn of the things we tying again ah editing although that is where I added I love those chairs so editing is number one writing is number two in Direction is number three because it's very tough yeah and production I hate God so if I ever found God sent me some producer who said do what you want to do I will not bother you which is what I told Roger he done even I did MBBS I would say please produce mushrooms and you just like to be that creator yes absolutely oh nothing else they say they say that the creative adult is the child that survived do you agree with that I'm surviving like as in any creative


with that I'm surviving like as in any creative professional always has an inner child inside them so I also feel that all creative professionals somewhere are slightly spiritually inclined so yes that I am another thing I will tell you again for your young guys I hope they listen to this and I hope they learn from my experience what I do every morning I wake up around between 6 & 7 but what I do for the next 5 minutes I get into a shower Zen okay which is you know in yoga pose you go into a shower and I think what if I was to die this moment every morning almost every morning will it be happy day then I say oh no no you are my was costly help cognitive uh Cardinal Jenna was kabocha the next day I do that hmm so every day it becomes a kind of introspection that you are your slate is clean there's a great saying in Kashmir where I grew up there was a great Saint in a place called Baba Rishi


a great Saint in a place called Baba Rishi he it's a zeroth in Kashmir whoa Rothko he used to sleep in a coffin and as kids we were fascinated and wake up and the whole idea was that he slept in a coffin woke up every morning and thank the Lord for another day so if you look at life like that then it changes everything I have let's say I have a week to go I'm I was sleeping when you came because I'm not at all nervous hmm if you guys like Chikara I will be very very grateful if you don't like it frankly I I won't be disappointed it's okay because somebody who made it for yourself it's not for myself I made it for you guys but the fact is then maybe you didn't get it maybe you'll get it someday I always think of an gog he made great paintings in his life yes sir not one God sold I mean I'm not saying I am like him please


mean I'm not saying I am like him please but I'm saying for an artist his job there's a great saying in my office it says ours is only trying the rest is not our business so but in saying all that like I know you're showing me your artistic side yeah I have to ask you about the business side as well and I'm gonna ask you this question please how have you been able to stay relevant from the 80s till now I'll tell you when budgets okay can you explain there I I don't pay the kind of monies people pay to make a film the only way I survived Hamas because I had made it in 8 lakhs Parinda was made in 12 lakhs only 12 lakhs please see the film and then you will know how but if that film had done it was done in one car or I'd be dead hmm so what has made me survive is budgets I never never see first of all I don't throw parties I don't do anything I


I don't throw parties I don't do anything I don't so what do I do what am I wearing I don't even know what this is you know is it's not I have known designer who tells me ha where this is not where you end and takes a lack for that I don't sew my expenses are very minimal and that is the way to do survive in the film industry or in any industry if anything was all I mean I'm talking to you as young kids now let us say you have three kids here and it's a boys are we ready now let's say your overheads were 40 guys 50 would you be honest I don't know you'd be thinking hey let me ask this this is sell more mmm God I have to sell more because I have 20 salaries to pay so I have six guys in this office yeah my core team is just six people yeah I feel you've kind of made an environment that keeps your mind very comfortable in order to create yes am i right


very comfortable in order to create yes am i right absolutely that's also the intention with designing the office this way that you may have a cute create a space behind and I'm from Kashmir all this is from Kashmir and see all the median so is there any message from your mum to the world I know you've kind of enveloped it inside the movie somewhere I'm short knowing you but something you can say on this podcast as well because I feel I feel mothers are some of the world's greatest lessons yeah lesson is in the in the film if you see her house was gone it was lost everything and towards the end she's hugging the neighbors from all communities yeah and to me I can I don't know whether we can do that anymore I mean that's a great lesson that she forgave everything everyone forgiveness yes it's huge yeah and and to move on to move on and we cannot put people in one category I cannot say everybody called Ranveer is like you the


say everybody called Ranveer is like you the other and we will be different the third will be different same thing with religion yes so all the Hindus are not the same all Muslims are not the same all Christians no but nobody is the same so then say Kay Vinod Chopra bought her ami is let's have a Hindu army as terrible no how can you do that yeah how can you take an individual who we have done something wrong and then generalize and say everybody by the name of video Chopra is an or by your name so that's you have to see and that's what I learned from my mother it was amazing for me I can I don't think I can be as great as I have anger and I get you know but but she taught me she kept saying in the documentary tika joyous over the edge okay let's move on seeing this office and feeling your energy in person I highly doubt that your son who gets angry often I used to


that your son who gets angry often I used to I'm not not that how have you calmed it down with time my wife 25 yeah she's very calm but what specifically you think that when you in a relationship with someone you kind of merge into the same girl so you know every time I used to get angry she didn't talk to me for a day or two so I can't get angry so it's like I'm trained now to to hold my anger but now I'm not even that angry I used to be as a as a young man I I get disappointed and yes I get angry I shout a lot but for the right reasons yeah so you know I genuinely believe that actors directors and writers are some of the most romantic people in the world because they have to kind of delve into that world of romance often for the world could you like just give us a quick kind of version of your love story with Alabama ma'am like what no yeah this is a this is my


like what no yeah this is a this is my third marriage I married renew solution first then Shabnam suck they were short my mother's documentary I am I am a very I fall in love even now and sometimes I have to tell myself hey how easy your 67 don't fall in love but I do but I mean I think women are far better than us men why do you say that I find them they're gentler empathetic and and empathetic yes and because because they are the creators of life they are very very different from us I think as a you know as a gender there I mean I if I had the choice to sit with five men or five women just like that I'd sit for five men any any day you know I love I love the gentleness the caring the the affection that women have what did you learn from your first two marriages not much don't marry too many times I guess but I mean I didn't I can you learn from life you don't learn from one


can you learn from life you don't learn from one marriage or not this marry you know every day is a learning every day is a learning did you did you go through the usual bachelor breakup drama yes yes through Julie and you explained that Dave does good yes yes usually I give my first marriage when it broke it just killed me it's like you were like you guys over here your life was getting exactly I never thought that would happen to me it's crazy because now when I look back I say oh how could how could that be me I'm in for again for young people to know there was a moment in my life after said I more than before Hamish where I just wanted to kill myself because I said oh nothing is working for me which was primarily your personal life and the fact that says I'm odd didn't work and so I was writing commotion Pandora and I actually walked up to the to the highway but it was my love for my brother and my family


it was my love for my brother and my family and my father and my mother that stopped me and we wouldn't have gone through there now I am maybe it's not it's not unusual to be disappointed which again you're young us or readers or whatever or listeners should understand that there can be a disappointment you can't get depressed and unhappy but you know then think of this you know when I was I must be in 20s then this Chikara I wouldn't have happened you wouldn't be here yes I mean just think about it now and all the lives that are touching would have been so many for God's sake but so now become a bhaiyyaji two younger brothers and give some advice to younger brothers who are suffering from break up drama Nanao to see the you have to look ahead or back just say whatever you think something terrible is happening to you break up let's say you're 20 and some has happened think will this matter to you when


has happened think will this matter to you when you're fifty or sixty seven the answer is it won't you won't even remember even if you think that that girl was the alternate reynosa Lucia was the closest to me for many many years and I was telling a new Java other day that now when I talk of rain you have to shut my eyes and recall how she looked wow she was the love of my life for five years or seven years we were married she had it all my friends but it's me to the universe imagine Yadkin a lock one can ever hmm so when you want to kill yourself or when you want to say oh my life is over just think how would you look to that moment when you're 67 it won't matter yeah it is of no consequence you won't remember that so how do you look back at all of life now oh I had a great life man but you learn from his relationship I learned from I learn from you now you're teaching me no


I learn from you now you're teaching me no no honestly I'm looking at you I'm talking I'm trying to talk to you in a way because you have young people I'm trying to give these young people my life in the best most honest way so that I can touch their lives which I've done through my films like Leggero or 3d it's the idiot was all about young people I said chase excellence successful following represents everything that I am today in huge part is actually credited to three idiots most specifically our mother ones character he was an engineering called any mana doing something artistic photogra he wanted to become a camera it was a great line when his father says if you do that you will curse yourselves and he said if I don't do it I will curse you yeah better I curse myself than you that's that's one of my favorite lines that's a part of your life as well right I think it is you had the same experience with the order yes when I


had the same experience with the order yes when I told him I want to do films in Kashmir we were poor he slapped me I got a bomb aimer jaga buchamma yeah what gave you the guts to come to Bombay then just madness yeah you have to have the madness like can you explain that a little more I mean like I told you that I used a negative emotion that I turned into a positive one but I was crazy I just wanted to make films and all I wanted in the film Institute was to make one film before I died just one you know I'll tell you another crazy thing when I used to travel in that third class from Jammu Kashmir to Bombay these nah real trees used to start appearing and I you said the city of my dreams this is why didn't you know that nariyal tree I associated with bomb even now when I walk out of my one building to another where I live there's an aerial tree and I always look at that novel


aerial tree and I always look at that novel tree and say thank you bye Bunji for everything I'm grateful because for me that tree was a symbol of Bombay and today I'm sitting talking to you here and all I have see all I have done in this long journey is is really being honest to who I am and where I came from and if you had to like just scan your entire life and write one line just describing its biggest model what would that line be honesty stay honest yeah to yourself to yourself - yeah it's it's it's a very loaded word to yourself most important see when you are having a shower by yourself Nanga under that shower yes you have to be at peace nobody is watching you there's no Instagram there's no click no likes dislike are you humming a song are you at peace with yourself or in the morning like I said when I wake up and I say if I was to go can i I mean you have to be


to go can i I mean you have to be honest - it's a very very important thing and if there's any mess up you have done fix it quickly because one of these days brother you're going to go maybe not today maybe tomorrow but they will totally cover this little lovely thing I saw there was a Pakistani guy saying very nicely kept the Ganga on and are enjoying you obese men Jamila and I were bonus a bonus I love that you come to the world and every this conversation is a bonus yes I mean imagine yeah so stay honest do your work honestly Jai's excellence and kept striving which is very very important strive for greatness absolutely - Vinod Chopra's thank you so thank you you Jonah talking to you thank you so and genuinely guys go watch Chikara and I will be linking all the important handles envelope me thank you so much thank you guys bye


welcome to part two of a very special episode with major vivek jacob part one was about his tenure with the indian special forces he's now an indian army veteran and at this stage of his life he has different challenges after leaving the indian army major vivek jacob founded claw which stands for conquer land air water claw itself has many objectives but one of its primary objectives is to bring disabled people and the concept of disability to the forefront in worldwide society often people look at people with disabilities and think that they're probably not capable of doing certain actions of doing certain things in life but claus trying to rewrite that perception as part of the conquer water aspect of claw team claw helps disabled people learn scuba diving and equips them enough to take up scuba diving as a profession similarly conquer air and conquer land are the two big missions for claw which are next up major jacob is also responsible for something called operation blue freedom what


also responsible for something called operation blue freedom what it is will be explained to you by him through the course of this episode team claw as a part of operation blue freedom has launched a nationwide search for people with disabilities who are interested in being part of the seat and glacier expedition operation blue freedom is about breaking a world record and having this mission come to the forefront team claus on the lookout for people who want to join their mission and be a part of operation blue freedom we'll be attaching associated links down below if you're someone who's dealing with disabilities or if you're someone who knows someone who's dealing with disabilities please tell them about operation blue freedom tell them about everything that team claw is up to and for now let's enjoy part two of the episode with major vivek jacob on the runway show this one is as heavy if not heavier than the previous one check out both parts enjoy both parts this was one of my favorite conversations that i've ever had


one of my favorite conversations that i've ever had in my life [Music] i've gotta take you to the next chapter of your story at the beginning of this podcast we spoke about the three versions of you and i think in this one we've only covered the first version or the transition from the first to the second um if people type your name online what keeps coming up is this incident of a spine injury um firstly how did it happen could you just take us through that injury and i feel also every human being has that one key moment where the inning switches like i had like the spine injury got it checked and all my discs had prolapsed and uh basically compressed and the discs had come out it's like jam between a sandwich yeah yeah yes exactly so like they had come out and it gone into the nerves and all that and blah blah blah so then i went through from the impact from the opening shock okay and the impact so it's it's like it opens up


the impact so it's it's like it opens up like a blast because it has to open up very fast and you're falling like a rock so suddenly there's a break so that break got transferred onto my spine what changed me would i think what changed me from the special forces to where i am right now is post this incident where i told you where the guy lost his leg and that's where i started thinking that the time has come to evolve but i didn't know what to do i didn't know where to go i didn't know what else to do like my wife at that time she used to tell me that jacob you know you will not be able to do anything else in your life you're fantastic at only one thing and that is what you are doing already don't leave it if you leave this there is nothing else that you can do because you are you are built for this so i said no and ev like everything was dependent on that everything me staying everything was like the entire you


everything me staying everything was like the entire you know maya of this universe was telling me that you have to be there but my heart was telling me no so because you have gone through life and dead life and death so many times you understand that it's all unreal you know you can create whatever you want so i said no i'll go out naked and [ __ ] you know stitch my own clothes and i'll [ __ ] recreate my life the way i want to experience it because this i'm done with right i had reached the pinnacle of destroying stuff so beyond that is creation though so i was thinking what to do what to do what to do i was writing with my pencil and paper eyes to write what what all do i know okay i know some sky diving i know some underwater diving i know some trekking some mountain something something i want what do i want to do i want to fly a plane i want to learn how to fly a plane all these things


to learn how to fly a plane all these things i wrote simple at what 36 36 35 36 years of age i was there at that point of time as i'm 41 now so that time ago six six seven years ago six years ago yeah so i wrote it and i was getting further treated for my spine injury and i uh i had some other places where i got hurt and all of that and like my knee got operated and blah blah blah and i was in hospital and i met this guy this air force guy who was more or less chest down paralyzed he had regained some movement and he was he was in he had eight years of service he was in my neighboring room so i used to you know i used to get to hear his conversations with his family and things like that he was just my neighbor so i and i was exploring what do i want to do now what do i want to do now and one day two weeks later he used to look at me and


two weeks later he used to look at me and he had some talk with some other people about me and this this and one day he came to me on his wheelchair and he asked me he sir you are a commando i say yes said sir you must be doing all this underwater timing and all that i said yes she said sir can a like a guy like me also do it so i looked at him and i didn't i don't know so i said i don't know but i'll find out so i went back left him there only and started researching you know paralyzed people scuba diving and this was back in 2015 and i found this video of a lady a british lady she was waste town paralyzed and she was underwater and she had she was on a wheelchair and she had her cylinders strapped onto the wheelchair and she had like motors and she had like a plastic kind of a wing to give her direction and you know movement and she was breathing and


direction and you know movement and she was breathing and she was in a dress and she was doing ballet underwater she was like like this and like that she was doing ballet so i saw that i went and showed him and i see it's possible it's possible so he looked at it and he said sir how will i do this sir how will i do this so i just told him yeah you don't worry about it i promise you i'll [ __ ] take you scuba diving one day i just told him like that and just left it like that and when i went back to my room from there and i started calculating what it takes to make this one man bloody scuba dive so logically penetrating it so that's like a special forces thing like a mindset it doesn't matter whether you are from special forces or not or whether you have killed somebody or not or all doesn't matter all this doesn't matter what matters is that you know that if you put your bloody


is that you know that if you put your bloody mind to it you can create what the hell ever you want right so i said okay yeah it's go to scuba diving we'll get him get him to ready scuba dive so i started calculating and calculating and calculating and calculating and i realized that you know there must be so many people like i was doing research of how many people with disabilities are there in the world and like i was shocked at the numbers and i thought this guy wants to do scuba diving there must be somebody wants to do you know mountaineering somebody wants to do you know skydiving and somebody wants to do yeah so if the human mind wants to do it [ __ ] you can do it yeah you know you just have to think your way through it that's why you have a brain right to calculate so the heart has to decide no yes or no once the heart decides yes your brain will calculate there is and always an outcome the


brain will calculate there is and always an outcome the universe is limitless so that means limitless possibilities so you just have to think your way through the past to the possibility that you want to create want it to manifest so so like that it kept growing i thought there must be so many people like him and there must be so many people like me who want to like you know help people like that just you know just brotherhood yeah so i thought of a network that if we create this network where people like come together and help each other out right to do stuff like this and then i realized it even bigger than a live skier i have to be able to create value for everyone so that everyone invests in this because you know everyone is suffering from something or the other air maybe physically maybe emotionally maybe psychologically you know everyone has a problem man all all people who are alive and living have got some [ __ ] problem right so people get together and you know i got a different problem


get together and you know i got a different problem you got a different problem but we are all headed in the same direction so if we just kind of get together and we share what we have we can all evolve evolution will become faster so from that guy just that one promise that i wanted to just you know just do that it started like that today we have operation blue freedom by claw yeah so what what is that like this is sort of i would look at it from an outside perspective as your second innings and to give the listener some context i've actually spent the last two days with the team at law kind of training a little bit in scuba diving i dived with people with disabilities uh learned leadership learned efficiency got to know uh major jacob major arun but so what is this like from your lens what's happening from your perspective evolution what do you mean see it's just again my perspective from my understanding my limited whatever whatever but this is what makes sense


my limited whatever whatever but this is what makes sense to me right if you look at your world around yourself you know there is chaos happening there are good things happening and there is chaos happening so so life is vibrating between these two possibilities of chaos or bliss or order if whatever you want to call it let's not call it order let's call it you know bliss and the lack of bliss right so this is what is happening this is what we are experiencing and if you had a choice wouldn't you want to experience bliss forever logically speaking right so what i realized is that in the entirety of it even through the journey of operation blue freedom what i realized is that for me to experience bliss forever i have to be able to ensure that for everyone else because ultimately all of us are one only they are just we are all various expressions of the god consciousness or whatever you want to call it but of a singularity we are all


to call it but of a singularity we are all endless limitless expressions of that one singularity that's how it is that is the truth like nothing less so in you know by the time i started meditating and some some stuff and all and i started experiencing some bliss and i wanted to prolong it and during those meditations i understood that space and time like through experience i could and i understood that that this especially time is is uh relative it can extend expand and contract depending on how much focus you are you're having on it so like that so i wanted to expand this blissful feeling forever right and i realized that now the way you get you can experience that is by by making sure that everyone is at that blissful stage and that what is it that all of us rise and when we come together with our we are all bits and pieces of the same damn consciousness right of the same damn singularity we are just bits and pieces of it so when these bits and pieces come


pieces of it so when these bits and pieces come together in a certain kind of a vibration that is conscious in nature loving in nature it it will come together and because it is coming together our energies are combining and when in this particular case what happens is that when two and two let's say you are i am two and you are two when two and two gets together a six happens not a four uh resonance yeah so it's an expansive uh this thing uh two and two should add up to four but when two and when two and two in this particular case when they are vibrating towards a blissful experience towards evolution when they come together they go into a six into an eight into a ten depending on how it is or into like that your job should be to spread bliss there is no job and all actually all these things you know it is such a it's in my understanding again right it is so simple that's why it is so complex people you


so simple that's why it is so complex people you know it's like a dog chasing its own tail you know trying to rationalize what is it that they are experiencing why is it that they are experiencing in shifts in between you know sorrow and joy and happiness and sadness and you know bliss and the lack of bliss and you know anger and hatred and love and blah blah blah all this all this all this so you're constantly trying to rationalize with your mind as to how to get some control over the chaos right until the time you look at all your experiences from an individual perspective you are in in that circular loop like a dog chasing its own tail but when you you can only like find find yourself when you are able to understand that it's all originating from within you and everything is you are a part of it and it's a part of you there is no higher and lower or better or worse or this or that it's just you are you are you


this or that it's just you are you are you are vibrating and your vibration or whatever your level of consciousness is a is vibrating its energy so that level of energy that you are sending out or what you are creating or manifesting through your will through your desire through your awareness you are creating your circumstances and your experiences yes so so when you realize that there is no difference between you and me ultimately the ultimate truth when you when you when you understand that and you start playing around with that truth you start realizing that [ __ ] hell you know this this moksha or whatever it is that you want to call it that bliss will come through collaboration they will come through through people merging to rise to evolve right now when you look at around you know somebody is dying in africa somebody is hungry in india somebody is dying of heat somebody is dying of cold somebody is oppressed in his mind somebody's in you know committing murder somebody's going


in you know committing murder somebody's going and fighting for his country somebody's doing what the [ __ ] ever somebody's you know somebody's doing business somebody's in an entrepreneurial journey somebody's you know it's all various things happening it's all good and it's all right you know there has for the good to exist the evil has to be there otherwise the good will have no meaning so that's the duality of of our of our of our universe that we exist in for anything to exist it has to have it has to be dual in nature has to be binary but that maya exists in that binary code when you perceive something as good or bad when you make a judgment based on your experiences based on whatever your level of consciousness is at that point of time so when you are able to realize this or understand this that actually it's just relative and both have to exist and then you back off from that a little bit and then you look at both and then you say


and then you look at both and then you say that okay that's how you create good and that's how you create bad good and bad is your own perception of what is happening to you and then you understand something called bliss and then you understand that if you all get together you know i can experience bliss because you are you are what you are ultimately god consciousness if you want to call it that word god consciousness you are ultimately that at the core of you you are something some energy which created itself and created the [ __ ] universe around it to experience it that's it now that now the thing is that what i realize is that i want to have fun on this journey i want to enjoy this whatever this call it maya call it reality call it what the hell ever it is i want to i want to enjoy it yeah both daily i've done enough seen enough ups and downs and things like that and life should not be about sweating it through right life


should not be about sweating it through right life should be [ __ ] you know vibrating in [ __ ] creativity vibrating in bliss enjoying yourself like a you know spaceship flying around in the universe whatever so you have to be to be like that to enjoy that that's a choice that choice comes from knowledge understanding of that knowledge and then from that understanding practicing that knowledge that you have reached to reach a level where you can see everything as it is and then create what you feel like creating shift energy around create energy destroy energy it's like that yeah so my my gauge of this whole situation that you're in is that you've read a lot you've experienced a lot from your time in the army from your time after the army uh had some spiritual growth at the same time the situations that you saw in life pushed you into this journey of creating claw of initiating operation blue freedom uh you saw someone who was paralyzed from chess town and you


someone who was paralyzed from chess town and you thought okay let me take this situation and make this slightly more blissful for the people going through this situation and at the same time because the army and the special forces experience forced you into a mode of efficiency yeah you've also brought that and kind of created a unit full of special forces personnel yes and x special forces xx special forces personnel i got carried away special forces will always be special forces they are born like that and they live like that and they die like that it's a mindset there are people that's what i realized when i came outside in the cv street i like all those 18 and a half years or whatever i was in the army and from nda upwards and then till the point i was able i got my release right till that point i always thought that you know this only vr like this that we can think like this or feel like this or execute like that but then when i came out and slowly slowly


but then when i came out and slowly slowly i started meeting people especially people with disabilities [ __ ] was like cracked open what i was thinking i realized that it's it's a [ __ ] mindset and it's whatever has gone through whatever experiences that you have been through whatever whatever you know people you have met all your everything coming together and you being able to separate yourself out from it and making a choice rather than being a victim of your circumstances you are making a choice so when you start making that choice and there are people all around us that i keep meeting especially people with disabilities you know that's the common thing between special forces mindset and people with disabilities or special forces and people with disabilities people with disabilities have have have been you know pushed into us or in this into a certain state of life which is minus this that whatever which other people may have and they don't have right so then they have to learn to deal with this very harsh world which does not have


deal with this very harsh world which does not have you know in most places there are no elevators or there are no this thing and they have to get through this bloody obstacle course every waking moment of their life so it's a bloody obstacle course going on i mean like so all this two-year journey that i have i met hundreds of people with disabilities right and trained them and watched them like we decided that okay you know just for that one guy to be able to make him dive i realize that i have to make everyone [ __ ] dive then that guy will be able to dive i'll be because it's very very expensive all this equipment and all that is running each equipment set is around like a half to two lakhs just one set right and then you have to fill air in it and then you have to be good and there's compressors and this and that and boats and whatnot and this training and certification and blah blah blah lots of money so to make


and blah blah blah lots of money so to make that guy being able to do it to fulfill that one promise i may need to do it across the country so all these guys all these xsf guys they just like they didn't know what like it's running in my head but like who are with me in my team they started like they started leaving and started calling me up and asking me what i'm doing this is telling i'm doing carpentry i was making my own bed and table and whatnot so and and they just came just forced their way into my space back force their way through i told them i don't have anything i don't have any money i don't have anything to give you so don't come here you've got wife and kids and parents and whatnot you are looking after i have nothing to give you don't come to me just three four times said no no no no no but it's jesus asked me but what are you doing he said i'm [ __ ] doing carpentry


doing he said i'm [ __ ] doing carpentry man he said okay i'll come and we'll do company together she said okay man you come now that guy the first guy who came as one of the top mountaineers of walking [ __ ] walking three four world records man this guy called me in bad urthappa is on my team he's the first guy who came he's an extreme mountaineer holds records his broken record shattered records in altitude warfare school which is one of the best schools in the world for mountaineering and extreme you know so that guy that level he did not go he could have picked up anything he could have gone you know broken world records without any support and all he could have done a lot of things but he came to do carpentry with me so then i said okay let's harness so i said i'll take on diving you take on mountaineering so that's where we started off and like that then you know people started collecting you know these marcos who


know people started collecting you know these marcos who came in you know other sf guys came and tucked up we started coming and we were all looking for when they when they realized what's going on like where i'm headed like they said you know now that is something beyond what they were doing so they vibrated they wanted to you know do it and there was love and brotherhood already so we decided we will travel across india and we will train all people with disabilities that we meet we'll train them in scuba diving and i had no money in my pocket right i had no pension my whatever gratuity i was supposed to get from the army for whatever service i had done that had not arrived it had taken you know took year and a half two years for that money to come by the time i had already spent other people's like my family and also you know supported and then just randomly the universe started throwing things first thing you need is equipment like i told you lacks


you need is equipment like i told you lacks and lags 50 60 lakhs you know like that that kind of equipment so there was this guy about a month and a half back he had called me a guy called purple like his company called purple octopus from bombay he he had called me they had started out new and he said he sir you know just uh we heard about your this thing and you know we would like to collaborate with you something we can do i asked them what so i had no clue of business or anything i was living in a different universe only different dimensions special forces different dimension so i was there and then like i did not know when i came outside and then uh so i said how do you want to collaborate she said i don't know she said i also don't know maybe when we know we'll talk again cut then one and a half months later we were together and we first thing we needed was equipment so i called him up i said you know my


so i called him up i said you know my me and my team and these are this is who we are and this is what we are going to do we are going to travel from my home in chandigarh from there i am going to go down to the tip of this country till the end and whoever people with disabilities i will meet i will train them expose them to scuba diving like that she says so [ __ ] sounds good what do you need from me i said i need some equipment you know i'll let's take some equipment on loan or something and give it back to in the state it is in so he said yes why not absolutely sure and he sent he sent about like what 10 15 20 lakhs about 15 20 lakhs worth of equipment just sent it to me no bills no receipts no money nothing no accounting he just sent it like he did all the calculation that locate these many sets this this is that that that right he just sent me that and that's a


that right he just sent me that and that's a new company starting out right so we got all that equipment i said okay now we have the equipment now where are the people with disabilities so i went to the army and all and i spoke and this that and there was some you know you know it was it's a new concept at that time and people didn't really understand what i'm doing and all that so then i like i had a lot of roadblocks then i met i went to chandigarh's final rehab center i met somebody somewhere and they said that my wife is working in chandigarh's final rehab center i said fantastic right from there i went to the chandigarh spinal rehab center met that lady and like an hour i was standing i was standing and talking to this you know 24 people with spinal cord injuries in various states of paralysis and they were going through the rehab over there old previously paralyzed guys new guys who got paralyzed and things like that


new guys who got paralyzed and things like that and before i started speaking to them i was watching them play basketball and i have not seen such a rough bad [ __ ] basketball game they were like boom boom boom on their wheelchairs like aggressive game and i was just i was calling my guys come come come see these guys see i made a video also that and you know to show to my son and to show them to my family you see this see this so then they came in and i was talking to them there were guys with this these big holes in their body because when you get paralyzed you can't move around so you are on your bed or you're in a chair and you can't feel there's no sensation so there's constant you know rubbing happening and happening and happening and your skin starting you start getting holes and all and those get septic and things like that it can kill many people die because of those holes so there are holes in their back their


those holes so there are holes in their back their holes and there was this guy was lying on like i was talking and standing and some guys were sitting some guys were lying flat and there was this guy was just opposite me was lying on his stomach and like he had this like i pushed my fist into his bum you know this big a hole on his bottom and he was like this and listening to me and i was talking you know he i'm so and so and these are my team and we would if anybody is interested in scuba diving this is what school but anybody interested all 24 all 24 all 24 who had hands that they could raise they laid their bloody hands who had mouth to speak they [ __ ] spoke and they said no no we want i want i want so how much will it cost i said [ __ ] free of cost don't worry so the plan was this i will teach able-bodied people because able-bodied people you know special forces all this


people because able-bodied people you know special forces all this uri movie had come out so all everywhere we wanted to interact with special forces and all i said okay interact come in track pay money come scuba dive we'll teach you scuba diving and earn money from you and make it free for these guys so that was the business plan so uh uh yeah so these guys uh they started like i said yeah 24 all 24 of you i cannot teach together like you know i'll have to make you into batches and all so maybe four guys i can introduce every day you know to scuba diving four to five guys maybe so they started no very friendly argument started no i raised my hand first no i spoke first i will go first that kind of [ __ ] i said how many of you know swimming and all hardly you know many uh hardly anybody knew swimming and on so i was just thinking in my mind [ __ ] man these guys you know they don't even know


man these guys you know they don't even know how to swim there's this guy neck down paralyzed guy who's saying wow me me neck down paralyzed man he's running the whole chandigarh spinal rehab center social media and other work that he was doing uh with his mouth he had here just like this microphone on his electric wheelchair his hands used to be permanently like this on a pillow and neck down gone so he used to have a like a pen in his mouth and he'd go tapping on his phone like that wow yeah so he was and i spoke first i spoke first and all of that neck down paralyzed guy doesn't know swimming never been in a swimming pool nothing like that but choosing to scuba dive that's freedom brother that is the special forces spirit that is the special forces mindset and that is what gets things done and that is how you can get into a position to control the chaos and make what you want to make and experience life the way


what you want to make and experience life the way you want to experience that's how it started and what's the end vision for it so i'll tell you so it was a learning journey for me it was a shift yes the massive shift which was there was from destruction to creation special forces are to destroy stuff right so from that sudden switch towards creation and uh love actually human love right to share the you joyous you know the like i was talking about these paradoxical laws or quantum laws or whatever you call of the universe when you share something it grows yeah so if you're feeling love and you share love will [ __ ] grow because everybody has love inside them and [ __ ] collides and two plus two collides and becomes a six or ten or depending on how much love is there it will exponentially blow up more like that so during this journey from that chandigarh spinal rehab institute then to delhi and then to bombay and then to lakshwadi you know


to bombay and then to lakshwadi you know like that like that like that we died and we finally died in the open sea in lakshdi it was a like a spaceship flying off like a rocket flying off you know rocket has to have so much of energy so that again get into escape velocity as quickly as possible and get off the [ __ ] gravitational pull of the earth right so it was like that we were like that we were bashing our way through you know our experiences and creating them ruthlessly creating them what started off as a struggle has now turned into the universe helping you into audacity into a belief in your belief yeah and you know you talk to people at claw or you talk to everyone who's in any way a part of operation blue freedom everyone's in that same mission oriented mindset and i think that that's the big uh gift of you guys to the world outside of the army sir like you know you're spreading that same special forces mindset we


know you're spreading that same special forces mindset we come back to that's been a theme in these podcasts ah so if my last question to you honestly sir is like when you're looking at all this from the outside nowadays daily when you're going to sleep and you've seen whatever you've seen let's come to that third version of you which is still evolving yeah what's that guy thinking so what happened is when i got onto this journey of you know sharing scuba diving or whatever it was and and i started interacting with people with disabilities and able-bodied people also and there were people who started joining up just coming with whatever they had got to offer like you yourself you know like it's a platform massive amount of following and all that people will come to know and spread the word right that this is happening it it's it's energy coming right by itself it's coming so you have to ride the horse no so what while watching all of this of course you are in in in the


of this of course you are in in in the maya and you're experiencing whatever is going on and you're figuring out you're seeing real life things happening and seeing the magic constantly so beyond beyond beyond the maya there is magic and that magic is real right so when you step into that and then you start it you see it happening all the bloody time and then it becomes like a you know it is like that so when you're watching watching watching you are evolving and then this constant that background search that background search in your brain that is searching for full expression of itself the full expression of the soul that freedom state of being where everything you are creating you know and like that so it's a journey right so in that in that uh process you know when you're looking back that's when i realized by the time i was at lakshmi or i had reached lakshmi that whole process crystallized into one line that true freedom true freedom it's a


one line that true freedom true freedom it's a collective experience it's not an individual experience it's a collective experience so true freedom is a collective experience either all of us have it either all of us are free or none of us really are none of us are really are free whoever you may be whoever right so there are two ways to getting to that freedom to that state of being one is you know what is this is like you do yoga and meditation and and then you go into the mountains and you'll sit in some cave and then you will meditate and eat grass and whatever whatever whatever and purify purify purify purify all your thoughts detachments or attachments everything gone gone gone gone what is left is you right that is i suppose what it means to be that level of a yogi so they reach there and then they start playing around with maya you know they start playing around shifting energies and all that so they can they can transcend space and time appear disappear all


they can transcend space and time appear disappear all those things it's all real so that is one way of reaching that level of freedom where you can manifest what the [ __ ] ever you want right you can create things destroy things both are same only right so that is one way to that mocks your freedom or whatever it is the other ways is like this through life not leaving life but actually getting into the bloody you know intestines of life and opening it up from there and opening it up opening it up like that and going out like that not just for yourself but for everyone around you yes that is what it is no for example let's say you and me are talking right and if you and me are in different states of being let's say you're on a destructive mode or let's say i'm in a very egoistic mode or something like that and i feel differentiation like that your thoughts and my thoughts will be at different levels right they will not be at the same level i'm


right they will not be at the same level i'm not saying higher or lower just different that's all there is no high low it's just different so we will not be able to collide and collaborate and the two and two will become a three instead of a six or an eight so it's it's uh so when you when you go through life instead of separating yourself individually out of out of the maya or whatever it is you want to call it this reality that we exist in instead of detaching from your loves and all your responsibilities and family and this and that and work and all that you detached that learn yogic skills to pull in energy from the air and you know uh so many things you know manifest yeah yeah so when you when you leave all you have left the space where you can manifest brother you manifest here in this life here freedom is not something that is going to happen tomorrow it has to happen right now so and from there you go higher and higher


now so and from there you go higher and higher and higher and more power of power of creation right so instead of going that way of detachment i don't judge it i think that like whatever little bit of knowledge i've got i think you know yeah it's a way but at the end of it it's just you right and here there's all these things there are part of you only that you're experiencing yourself you are experiencing me i'm experiencing you brother right it's good fun isn't it why would i not experience this why would i not why would i choose to detach myself from this so the detachment has to happen inside not in your outside world so when you detach you can feel more love yes right so it's like that so in this journey you know from that first guy i met and then pursuing that pursuing that emotion that feeling of wanting to share wanting to make someone's life a little better my life sorted so by the time i left the special forces i


so by the time i left the special forces i didn't care if i was living or dead i didn't care i didn't care if i was rich or poor i didn't care right i didn't care it was for me it was nothing actually left to experience from there my experiences real experiences or or different experiences of state of being started when i had no desire actually left for anything else except that one guy that i wanted to go scuba diving with so in this entire journey by the time i reached lakshmi not only did i see that you could bend and shift and break maya not only can you do that you can replace it with a lot of other things that you want to experience i want to [ __ ] experience love all around me right so i want to experience [ __ ] happiness all around me that's what i want to experience i don't want to waste my time with sorrow and sadness and all this i've experienced a lot man right given it and taken it


experienced a lot man right given it and taken it both so so from that choice that that place where i didn't actually care about the future is when the future opened up you know the state of being opened up in the now and that's when that one line came up when i understood that for me to experience love around me to experience creativity around me to experience body security or whatever it is that we want to experience you have to let go for it to come to you that's the paradoxical law of the [ __ ] universe you know and and so this is what i uh went through and i just crunched it into one line that that no like this like it just came in my mind true freedom true freedom just freedom it's a collective experience either we are all free or we are not that's what i understood and from that's what one of those lines you know there's another this thing that people go through it's a little basal line of things like that just [ __ ] realize


line of things like that just [ __ ] realize you know freedom is not something that is going to happen tomorrow it has to happen right now brother you you reach freedom by being in a state of freedom otherwise you will it's like a dog chasing its tail it's like that musk deer you know looking that entire forest looking for that smell it's attracting where is it coming from it's [ __ ] coming from inside it it spends his entire life looking for it outside yeah so it's like that so when when you just give up on on on when you've gone through all of that like i said no a lot of death here a lot of their law that are constantly three times standing there looking at that knowing there is nothing beyond this nothing there is no life ahead of it nothing is there blank space so you do it here now i don't remember my past lives i don't uh uh know what is like i didn't know what is beyond but when i saw it


know what is beyond but when i saw it standing there when i gave i knew my hands were up i said [ __ ] man it's all over but it's i'm taking i've taken four of you out and i'm going four is to one good ratio good to go yeah absolutely i was sitting there standing there against the rock face you know like spider-man i was holding on to this thing i had a huge [ __ ] rucksack on my back my weapon was on my back and i was standing like this and i turned back and i saw that guy [ __ ] looking at me you know from that point all this whatever happened and i was just there's only just pure thought that okay speed of bullet is faster than speed of sound so therefore you know i'm going to feel a jerk on my body they don't fire a single bullet they fire a [ __ ] full they'll empty a 30 round burst into you right so thinking i'm [ __ ] speed of bullet is


so thinking i'm [ __ ] speed of bullet is faster than speed of sound so i'm going to feel the jerk before the neuron neural network transfers that energy impact on my body i would be gone so i'll not know the point of death i will not feel the point of death but the point of that had happened before that already so just waiting to die and i'm just seeing there's nothing beyond just waiting to die there is nothing beyond and there that point there is no fear people should stop fearing death and all there is there is nothing to fear when you reach that point there is nothing no emotion nothing you will just see your entire life flash by in no time there is no time so you will experience that and if you are still alive then you can start doing what we are doing kind of a thing you know otherwise you know there are other ways also people like maybe i'm dumb you know it takes intense experience too for me to realize something some people just realize that


me to realize something some people just realize that without experiencing maybe they've experienced in past life i don't know as far as i'm concerned there is a right now and a right here and this is the only real thing in this whole world the moment so freedom has to be in the moment and practiced in the moment and like that you will go through moments and then at some point you will become like a master samurai sword freedom [ __ ] guy who's creating his freedom all the time so freedom is not a destination it's a journey you have to start with it to get there so mr jacob i mean while this was heavy and you know again there's been lots of learnings i want you to leave the audiences with an explanation of what operation blue freedom is so operation blue freedom is what its name is operation blue freedom so operation is operation it's marks the special forces mindset the operational mindset there you go it's a [ __ ] operation what we are


go it's a [ __ ] operation what we are doing we are gonna travel across the world and make these things accessible to everyone ability disability able bodied disabled i don't [ __ ] care ability and disabilities in your [ __ ] mind brother you will like i told you there is this guy who has got nothing neck down paralyzed right he is [ __ ] typing out but his entire social media is handling he goes on he with his chin he moves that joystick and like this like this like this he goes shopping in the mall when he crosses main roads he sits in delhi metro goes here there he's living his life he's learning how to play the piano with his mouth like that yeah so he's free yeah and there are so many able-bodied people you know so fully able-bodied but he may have this big muscle also right but you know living depressed and feeling depleted it's just a perception of understanding so so operation is the special forces mindset the way we are


operation is the special forces mindset the way we are approaching this mission it's a mission for us right we will get it done brother we never fail never ever fail right that's when we said we take on only that that we already know we have succeeded that is what we go out to hate if we feel not going to succeed we plan to succeed but we never let it go so that's operation blue is the earth so you know operation blew freedom so what i realized is through the experience of the outdoors through the experience of nature through the experience of meeting people on this journey like that like that we will share what we feel and truth you know truth doesn't need truth just needs to be spoken and it'll vibrate inside you it'll vibrate inside him you know so it'll expand it'll open up all all the illusions that are there will fall away when you when you talk about truth right so so uh operation blue freedom has two parts of it freedom starts from a perception perception of


of it freedom starts from a perception perception of freedom itself what it means to be free right so there's a lot of confusion around it and you know some people think it's physical freedom some people think become a yogi and become spiritual free whatever whatever it means to everyone else but for it means i love this earth i love the people on this earth i love the experiences that are to be had on this earth it's endlessly endlessly blissful you just have to be able to perceive it like that so if everybody starts perceiving it like that we'll be all having a [ __ ] ball instead of [ __ ] throwing bombs at each other you know there's so many people who waste food and there's so many people are dying of hunger there is an inequality right so like that whatever so operation blue freedom had to operate at a so that's maybe where the special forces mindset or all my experiences crunched down into that where by the time i reached bombay and


that where by the time i reached bombay and i finished with bombay and i took a break before lakshwadeep and i went to triband to my mom's place and i was like i reached my mom's house and i like to sleep on my mom's carpet no it's cooler there so uh and i went and bought a whole case of beer and i parked it and my mind was shut off like i got i was constantly fed up fed up fed up or asking you know constantly asking people for something give me scuba gear give me compressor give me vehicle give me pool give me this give me that i'm a person who doesn't like to ask anything from anyone right but to do something like this you know i don't have the money if i had the money i buy it no why would i ask anybody for anything right and special force especially you know it's you depend on yourself only and the people that you love and that's it so now having to depend on total strangers


it so now having to depend on total strangers and trying to explain some story to them that you know what you know good thing we are doing and checking to see whether somebody resonates doesn't resonate another all that [ __ ] i was fed up at my wit's end you know and uh i went home and i bought this very case of beer and i put it there and i started drinking and i drank and slept and drank and slept and drank and slept for three days on the fourth day i woke up in the morning and it was just there in my head three world records in land sea and air all the three elements by a team of people with disabilities trained by former special forces soldiers from across the globe people with disabilities from across race culture class nationality religion economic status or ability from across this entire [ __ ] spectrum of maya that people call limitations all these limitations collected over here in one spot special forces [ __ ] soldiers coming in


one spot special forces [ __ ] soldiers coming in from across the globe across reyes culture class nationality coming in training these people in all the three elements scuba diving in water skydiving in the air and mountaineering on land to break three world records and shatter this [ __ ] perception of inability which is there in our society and our experience in our global society right it's not something that only indians are suffering from or americans are not suffering from or whatever it's there everywhere no nation can be free when chaos is going on in some other nation it will always affect you throw a [ __ ] nuclear bomb on somebody the [ __ ] nuclear bloody cloud will come and body poison your [ __ ] own population it's like that so true freedom is a collective experience don't throw [ __ ] nuclear bombs [ __ ] help each other out brother yeah so it's like that all these boundaries you know this india china japan pakistan and geo


you know this india china japan pakistan and geo and all this who has created these boundaries who has created these boundaries has god created these boundaries no man people like you and me have created these boundaries and that is what is you know when boundaries come separation comes separation filters down into so many manifestations of separations and you are in that maya of separation you think you are separate from everybody else better and then you start grading yourself are you better than the other person or lesser than the other person and there you are screwed brother you're in that [ __ ] maya chucky piecing and piecing constantly trying to get out of it trying to escape from it but not knowing how to get off it because you're [ __ ] in your mind it's coded into you you're born into a society which is divided right so so when so that's a perception so the truth now you can take [ __ ] hundred years thousand years to to show the truth so that


years thousand years to to show the truth so that you can experience the [ __ ] truth right if you and me are talking you are unhappy it will make me also unhappy no in some way because like i am not realized or something i'm just who i am so i know that for me to have an interaction with you where i can learn and happily so and all that you know i have to make sure you're also happy you know like that so we can talk at that level our insecurities are left away and we can talk about what the truth is all about right and have a meaningful conversation and take it from where so in this you know i realize that i have to [ __ ] shatter this perception and that's where the triple world records came in and i realized that you know you know people get drawn by glitter and glamour and this and that and world records and whatnot people people get drawn in and they want to put their boats there and want to you


want to put their boats there and want to you know whatever there and i wanted to stop asking people for things so i like this came to me this just came to me three world records land cnn air bad team of people people with disabilities from across the [ __ ] globe from across all forms of separation hence the gods of [ __ ] destruction you know special forces from across the globe [ __ ] collecting together and coming for this right we are the first [ __ ] special forces team in the whole world in the whole world all if you go into you know what special forces are doing after retiring this is the first [ __ ] team in the whole world of special forces soldiers which has gone towards humanity and creation most of them are back into the game guns for hire feel like [ __ ] pressing the trigger and [ __ ] knocking somebody off and making some [ __ ] money out of it that's [ __ ] that's [ __ ] so like that this


that's [ __ ] so like that this is the first team in the world which is doing that right working for humanity evolution creation and it's happening brother so if you open it up right for people with disabilities right people with disabilities if you open it up for people with disabilities who are people with disabilities people with disabilities are the so called the perceived weak association section of society and that's something i learned in the special forces there's this code of six everybody's not [ __ ] john rambo there right somebody is a little less somebody's a little more we balance it each balance each other out right but none of us are afraid we may feel fear we can take it we take we [ __ ] crunch fear right so it's like that we operate at higher levels because of the fear we feel and we compensate we compensate with thinking and thought and cracking that fear so so this so-called perceived weakest section of society if these people can go and crack


of society if these people can go and crack you know this human spirit which is perceived as the lowest can go and or the weakest can go and crack all the three elements by skydiving scuba diving and mountaineering that's a [ __ ] in-your-face lesson for the rest of the world to see that if they can do it [ __ ] what the hell are we talking about so perception change in the mind and there are so many other things that realize that that's a [ __ ] spirit now you tap that spirit you harness that spirit right the people with disabilities like i have experienced who are people with disabilities if there are there are 1.8 billion i believe people with disabilities in this world out of those 1.8 billion 80 percent of those people have got paralyzed during life they got paralyzed during life they're not born with disability only 20 percent of people in this world are born with disability 80 of those 1.8 billion people are people who have got disabled during


billion people are people who have got disabled during life car accidents [ __ ] some brain damage something you know whatever train accident blah blah blah blah blah so what i realized is [ __ ] this [ __ ] can happen to anyone here this [ __ ] can happen to anyone at any point of time in your life so actually all of humanity at stake here right so whatever so so it's a perception change so you can actually shift around energy and create what you want to create once you realize what you are and that realization is a perception of what you are a true perception of what you are you get into the [ __ ] driving seat of your life like stephen hawking for example [ __ ] wrote so many books man on our universe you know not even able to speak properly right so there is no limit to freedom if the guy reaches the right perception so i realized okay we will create these institutions where people can can come and learn and heal


where people can can come and learn and heal and rehabilitate and reskill to go back into the world and go get a real job also yeah yeah get a real job at a real life and uh i think i'm in like there are 0.001 percent of people with disabilities who have a job it's a lot of this thing the environment it's it's like that a lot of people have insecurities that maybe if i take a person with disability to work you know i don't know how will he come to office how will he work how will he do this how will he do that all the insecurities your own insecurities you're projecting on your [ __ ] environment what they don't realize is that if if you tap into this when a person has been stripped off and he's still alive so about 70 of people who undergo uh disability during their life when they get into accidents all 70 percent of the percent of them are suicidal they want to commit suicide because they can't adjust to this


to commit suicide because they can't adjust to this sudden shift in reality sudden shift in reality till now you were [ __ ] just playing football and you were you had a [ __ ] bad hard game of football and you were going back home on your bike and boom spine broke paralyzed like that your reality has changed so that kind of immense breaking of reality is like worse than special forces probation yeah so now to adjust to that then is when your probation starts lifelong probation of having to deal with this now not being able to help yourself not being able to [ __ ] you know go to the pot on your own man not being able to change your own clothes on yourself you know there's so many things so those people who go through this 70 of them are suicidal in nature when suicidal thoughts come they want to end it they don't want to accept this reality the only way you can get away from this reality is by ending yourself right maybe next


this reality is by ending yourself right maybe next life a reborn new body something like they're so willing to experience that also and entire in this process the last thing that i realized where the vision kind of closed and i said okay no more thinking no more vision this is where it stops was the research part so i realized somewhere that if you know just thinking about it thinking about it experiencing experiencing learning learning soaking it all in and i realized that if we research into disability we will find the key to human ability for example if there's a person who's neck down paralyzed and we are trying all sorts of you know alternative healings and scuba diving and this and that and slowly we've had the kind of crazy things that i've seen happening in a pool as a lady was like in chandigarh the first time that's what like shook us she had she was like she had her leg was paralyzed and uh she used to somehow get around 40 45 years old


she used to somehow get around 40 45 years old whatever she may have been and she came on the first day for scuba diving and that was it she was only getting one chance but every day she would come there sit on the wheelchair and sit for five six hours a day watching us watching us watching us watching and i used to keep looking at every day in the last before we used to close up as to go and ask her do you want to come again yes okay come on the fourth day her legs started [ __ ] shaking in water first time she saw a walking movement in her leg it was just crazy to watch she started crying and beeping and what not happened burst of happiness happening inside her of the possibility of what she's experiencing like the guy this guy told you orthopedic surgeon and all that when he came here he could his hands were like his chest down paralyzed right he could he got paralyzed uh ten years back he had a


he got paralyzed uh ten years back he had a car crash he's driving home car crash didn't get injured but the whiplash the energy just broke his spine got paralyzed so the cops came and he like guy read the cops okay hold he was a surgeon he was an orthopedic surgeon he knew what has happened to him so he told them lift me like this take me like this blah blah blah blah blah whatever then he went through a medical procedure then he went through rehabilitation and he went through the other three years of physiotherapy nothing gave up seven years he was at home you know then and learned some alternative way of you know stock market something something something then he heard about us he heard about operation blue freedom he heard about clock he drove from bombay with his mother his mother is also like you know like a surgeon and all they came here with his assistants and whatnot and he came here and uh he could hardly move his own wheelchair


and uh he could hardly move his own wheelchair by the fourth day fourth day he was circling around quiet by the seventh day he was taking four circles of entire this entire training area four circles every morning on his own he started lifting himself out of the chair he [ __ ] started swimming on the fourth day inside the pool started swimming you should have seen him diving wow right his hands started strength started coming back and all that so all this we are recording all of that data change in blood pressure change and change in how much you know energy this uh how much strength uh change in uh all the blood functions everything we are recording the change in emotional state change in uh perception of life change in uh the physical ability all of that we are recording so it's research going on we're researching okay like we took him took him to this bareback horse riding place which is there in in auroville we took him there from never having ever been so up close to a horse


never having ever been so up close to a horse in half an hour he was sitting on the damn horse yeah so it's magic happening brother and this magic is for everyone for everyone so so all these scientists for example if you if you take there are prosthetics right prosthetics are advanced prosthetics that are being developed and all that you know and their exoskeletons and all that being developed right now and all that but they are all operating in operating in in isolation somebody's got money is able to research but does not have the top level talent that top level mindset train talent to be able to hire and get that together somebody is doing research in somewhere in some far corner of you know buddy america and here that data will take [ __ ] 20 years to reach a man who's here he'll be dead by then right so it has to be aggregated the disability disability itself human disability which we all suffer from it has to be aggregated centralized organized and


from it has to be aggregated centralized organized and crunched into an efficient process which is processing this disability and bringing out [ __ ] new new new data new research new new technology which will just enhance the human ability right we are going to we are as a species we are going to transcend our bodies so yeah so that's where we are headed so this is the vision is that this this this uh matrix that we have collected on the ground uh this is the first facility that we have like we have we have developed like not the structure itself we learn kind of piggyback with someone else but the processes are on from what i gage you're actually kind of working towards that next stage of evolution which begins from love which begins from your heart which begins from empathy we're willing to live yes so and you know it's it's not just that that you're doing let me just tell you i mean again i feel like when you're living a certain life um you don't realize


living a certain life um you don't realize everything else that you're giving to the world while you're in that sense of duty while you're in that sense of doing no sense of duty brother i'm wanting to live my life this is how i want to live my life it's my life no this i want to live it i'm not going around putting bullet into somebody or troubling somebody or something i'm just doing my own [ __ ] and there's my team they're also just doing what we're doing we're not interested in uh what other people are doing or this or that there's knowledge to be gained we research we this thing but we're on our own trip man yeah you know we're just doing this and the way people are coming together to help us is just like amazing yeah yeah and there's a vision you know so all all special forces soldiers across every country has got people with disabilities and every country has got special forces soldiers who retire they retire at 30 35 years


soldiers who retire they retire at 30 35 years of age yeah they are like they are like the gods of combat coming out right shift this [ __ ] energy it's just energy very very high tempo [ __ ] energy just capture that energy and channelize towards [ __ ] human evolution so it's like the paradox you know that our evolution and our creation will come out of from destruction the key to ability human ability will come by researching and diving deep into disability so it's those paradoxes it's beautiful um of course i'll be linking all of claws handles down below uh operation blue freedom all the details can be found on the website the vxr i think we have about 100 podcasts yet to go there's gonna be a lot more stuff a lot of stuff happens behind the scenes uh i don't know so how was the experience of this whole podcast for you nice so the thing is you know like that's why i chose it i chose it like when i when this


it i chose it like when i when this thing came and i looked at this uh it's like i wanted to know who you are at what level will we talk right so then i saw that ayahuasca thing and not just that you've explored ayasha that you had you had the [ __ ] balls and the [ __ ] intellect to just come out and speak your heart out so you're speaking the truth now that's what people need to hear because only the truth the spear of [ __ ] truth can pierce this [ __ ] maya of lies yes so yeah so that's where we connected and and it's like that so you're vibrating there and you are conscious there and you're exploring there just like i'm exploring and that's why we can talk and and evolve i in in any way that i can be a part of your journey so like i'm always ready nobody escapes like a black hole once you're in you can't get out but uh from the bottom of my heart


get out but uh from the bottom of my heart so thank you you don't know what you've given me just through the course of this conversation forget the content forget the podcast tito yeah i mean i i hope so sir but um all working towards that same consciousness thank you mayor jacob this was one of the most highly requested podcast from our youtube world from our spotify world uh and i'm glad that we made it a reality lots more to do thank you thank you thank you [Music] you


yeah i think um maybe the way that this was said before that stuck with me the most that peter kaufman said this he's like if you saw a child who was seven and they didn't change between age seven and age ten it would be a tragedy like it'd be a very noticeable painful something something is wrong um but if you don't change between 27 and 30 it's almost expected it's almost expected that adults don't change and the people around us actually like almost subconsciously encourage us to stay the same they want us to be predictable they want us to um to not change too much because it's inconvenient for people around us and it's it's hard and it's hard for us and you can only change so many things at once and some of those are um that sticks in mind to me it was like if you don't change it's it's a tragedy there's always something you can you can grow there's always something that's going to be important to add there's always you know your


to be important to add there's always you know your context is changing even if what the system in the self that you had was perfect for you know where and who you were at 27 where and who you are at 30 is going to be different and you've got to change and grow and adjust to that [Music] eric jorgensen welcome to the ranvi show brother thanks for having me it's good to be here i appreciate it so uh you know what usually i run people through who i'm having on the show but you've got a very interesting profile and i'd kind of like you to introduce yourself to the audiences and i'll also tell you this uh our audience loves it when uh americans primarily are on the show because you guys are like fantastic conversationalists i don't know why i think it's something in your culture i don't know what it is but you guys can hold conversation with anyone so that's what indians pick up from you but go on with your introduction i i


from you but go on with your introduction i i think the same of indians you got that most excellent like high-energy question asking like curious culture i love it i love every time i get to talk to an indian man i'm like yeah this is the best um so i'm i'm glad to be here um this is uh this is kind of the culmination of like a few years of side projects for me so like i started came up an entrepreneurial family and like you know my dad ran a small business that my grandfather started my uncle ran a pizza shop and a newspaper and so i was the kid like selling candy out of my locker and getting in trouble for that and like giving kids rides to school for money and like just always kind of hustling and finding ways to put it all together um in college i started are you jewish no no oh what what where what's your family's ethnicity uh we kind of like nordic i guess like scandinavian on one side and


i guess like scandinavian on one side and british on the other nice but yeah we've been um we've been in america as long as i can you know trace back um so it's been uh yeah we got a little uh so i was just like got in the startup world really like in college uh started building websites like tech was getting big facebook was growing like crazy and i was like thought i was gonna be the next mark zuckerberg and so got into tech that way and been in startups for like 10 years and just building stuff on the internet is the tech scene in the american startup world always an exciting place to be in like from the outside it looks like you guys are always planning for the future and this is like a historical kind of uh outlook on things like we had steve jobs creating computers bill gates creating computers and you have mark zuckerberg creating the next wave so is it exciting on the inside right now as well yeah i think it's i think it's


as well yeah i think it's i think it's kind of always exciting i mean like tech just gets to choose whatever is exciting and then like redefines it as tech right like tekken seems to be always the frontier right so you know 40 years ago was computers and then it was the internet and now it's you know you could say tech is crypto and bio and you know self-driving and like whatever is the frontier um and there's kind of like in the valley whoever's working on like almost the farthest future thing is is like gets the most street cred you know um so like you can be really successful by building something successful or you can be successful by like you can be at least perceived as exciting by doing something like so far out in the future and crazy that like nobody else hardly even knows what you're talking about um and it might not be a successful company because maybe you're too early but it's at least like really interesting to people to learn about and hear about like


interesting to people to learn about and hear about like what's going on right um so you spoke about bio do you mean bio hacking right yeah i mean bio banking health um like the the whole there's there's bio kind of in a few different directions like around climate change around genetic testing around like i'm i'm far from an expert on this i just know enough to know like there's really exciting stuff happening that i don't understand any of in a few of those different directions um i mean it's a revolution around like um sort of self-measured health care and so like continuous glucose monitoring with levels is just coming out and you know the apple watch gets it ever more advanced and so this feedback loop of like measuring yourself more and more intensely and understanding more and more about like good health markers and how you know our diet and exercise and habits feed into those is super interesting beautiful um so you know when you yourself are a techie if you're someone from the tech world you have


if you're someone from the tech world you have a much clearer outlook of things uh and you've kind of made your own mathematical formulas in your head about what the world will possibly look like 10 years from now so according to you and according to what you've seen what can we expect in 2030 and the reason i ask you this is because i remember back in 2002 or 2003 touch screens on phones became a thing and that was fascinating for me as a nine-year-old kid and i looked at that and i was like okay wow this is so futuristic seven years later the iphone's like become a worldwide sensation screens are way bigger you know three four years after that big screens become affordable for like third world country populations so what can third world country populations expect in 2013 which they're not expecting right now yeah i think uh josh wolfe from lux capital has talked about like this next trend being technology getting smaller and smaller and closer and closer to us so


and smaller and closer and closer to us so in the same way that like touchscreen phones were really exciting now we kind of have like airpods and a watch and these like the phone is almost disappearing voice is getting better and better um the systems are getting smarter and smarter and so they're able to kind of intuit more and so it's um you know i think we may be reaching peak like amount of time staring at our phones um and getting better and better at uh technology like complementing our experience and kind of working around what's happening and um you know people are getting the phones are getting really good at delivering dopamine um but we're also getting more and more and good at saying like i don't know if this is healthy for me to just stare at this tiny screen like right in front of my face for 14 hours a day um and people are realizing how good it feels to like sit and talk to someone in person and be a part of more physical events


in person and be a part of more physical events and so like the technology kind of recedes and supports that a little bit more than um then defines it now and um i mean i think the health trend that we talked about like people are gonna get we're realizing how individual health is and how individual everybody's circumstances are and we're going to get better and better at providing very personalized experiences in in health and in medicine and things like that so those are these are at least two of the trends i'm seeing now beautiful so it everything's becoming more inward did you say that like everything's becoming like more within yeah it closer and closer to just like um i mean like we used to have a computer sitting on a desk and now we have a laptop and now we have a phone that's like always in our pockets and that's moving to like air pods that are in your ears and so eventually you can imagine this being like a transplant uh like something that goes