starting from the abc's so early on the value of your currency as a nation depending on how much gold you had in your federal bank then in 1971 when nixon announced this they said that there was one more scenario it was called the bretton wood system so for a while we went on on this system across the world where all our currencies were pegged to the dollar so there was a bretton wood meeting people sat down and they decided acharya the chinese remnant the dollar is x you can be five percent plus x of the conversion ratio or you can be five percent minus x and you can't drift outside of it so we had the bretton wood system we had the gold standard and then now we have the fiat currencies and you know uh essentially what you're thinking of as currency is uh debt government okay could you explain this a little more if you have to explain it to a 10 year old how do you explain it yeah sure so uh the concept of fiat money okay


yeah sure so uh the concept of fiat money okay this is quite like uh i think the people who kind of like created the concept who located in its current form today will not understand it themselves right like it it pretty much makes no sense how do i explain it maybe using metaphors metaphors are the best way to explain yeah yeah so let's say the u.s government is earning 100 rupees a year they're spending let's say 300 rupees a year this balance 200 rupees is coming from somewhere they sell debt the government takes debt uh you know they call it right treasury bonds or depending on the the duration of the debt there are many different kind of debt in the u.s they'll give you 1.8 1.6 whatever for buying this debt for a 10 20 30 40 50 year period and in turn they service uh whatever you know the excessive spending in the country is they've been doing this for a long time so you know every year incrementally that debt pi kind of like


every year incrementally that debt pi kind of like piles up and it grows now at the current point the federal reserve kind of like you know has so much debt on its hands that uh even a tiny tweak like you know to curtail inflation they're saying of late that six percent inflation in america right if it were to go up to seven percent and they have to raise interest rates to above inflation to try and con contain it nobody knows what will happen to this debt right but uh it it works in a weird way because we all kind of okay good metaphor think of it as a religion yeah think america is the biggest religion in the world today okay china is contesting it at some level we are all devotees and followers of the us religion as long as america the religion continues to have followers and people who have faith in it and uh perceive that you know they're a safe place for everything like in terms of money and economics uh they will continue


in terms of money and economics uh they will continue to thrive it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy it doesn't matter they can go out and print how much ever currency they want their currency will not depreciate they can do fiscally really improved and stuff all of that will work as long as the followers who the rest of the countries are continue to buy u.s debt continue to kind of like not contest at all and stuff like that you know that's actually a great uh metaphor even for cryptocurrencies i think bitcoin is a religion these currencies gain strength from the size of their followership uh what what bitcoin is today is because of all the early adopters and followers who are so devoted to it and uh you know like constantly championing the cause and i think that gives it the strength tomorrow if there is a new cryptocurrency and it has more followers that will become the new religion um but isn't that like kind of the core definition of money that all of us got together and


definition of money that all of us got together and said okay these notes with these numbers and faces printed on them are worth something so when enough people believe about it automatically it becomes money therefore on a more macro scale that's what you're saying about america where every other country leaving a few countries like probably the enemy countries say like china russia whatever i think that no that's the country which is our gold standard but you're saying and this is this makes me dial back the conversation a bit you said that things might implode there uh so that's where i ask you to draw out a dystopian scenario as a finance professional what will that be is it possible to predict a timeline is is the like and you know say if it does happen say if that uh all that stuff implodes what will be the outcomes of it for the united states of america and for all the other countries would say that that's our religion very hard to like you know picture it it'll be scary for sure


you know picture it it'll be scary for sure right like uh you know we all have so much u.s debt like you know the chinese used to have the largest they've been offloading in the last one year and now japan has the highest u.s debt uh so you know these guys will not get their money back obviously in turn once when when you're saying u.s debt it's basically bonds that we have bought from the u.s government like the the chinese government would buy bonds from the yeah okay like like i was talking to you those bonds which give 1.7 1.8 percent right like stuff like that so a these companies will these countries will certainly not get that money which was a receivable to them for a long time in turn they will not be able to service their own internal debt and many many implications right it's a it's a crazy scenario what happens the way the world is going it looks like we're creating two blocks right like you know the west


we're creating two blocks right like you know the west india is on the side of the west on this side you have russia and china and iran and a bunch of other countries which are uh natural resource rich in their own way you know these countries like russia and all suddenly they will do so much better because crude has rallied like 100 like you know if one were to predict like it's such a meta thing to think but because of the russia ukraine fight and you know they've not actually started fighting really but all the narrative around it the biggest beneficiary in turn might also have been russia because there is such a big oil exporter that that sense that there might be conflict drove oil rises up and you know they benefited from it like when you think about it like you know you it it's so complex uh say the world of oil for example uh you know we have opec and we have this governing body which which defines supply and how much has put out and how


defines supply and how much has put out and how to control price and all of that but if if tomorrow one were to go out and realize that you know russia kind of like did a lot of this to just get oil prices up and you know they have a lot of sanctions and there isn't much other revenue coming their way right now it would be incredible right it would be such a unintuitive thing to think um again coming back to india what does this mean for the future of our country if we are on that west block uh and say this happens what will happen to our country and how do you look at kind of the future of our country again as a finance professional keeping in mind this budget all the budgets of the recent past uh where are we going you know from a geopolitical perspective and just from a growth perspective so ranveer i feel like there is no way to really look that far into the future i feel like we've been lucky right like me and you


like we've been lucky right like me and you and the era that we're living in today like you know we were not in the world where world first world war in the 1900s or 1910 or 14 or whenever it started we missed the nazi thing we missed socialism in a way we were not around for mao and stalin and all these crazy people who have come about and lived around us and we've lived in such a friendly world like even if you look at average age of people like you know like how long people live for i think if you even go back like 78 years ago people only lived for like 50 years if you go back another 20 years they would probably live for like 35 years that was the normal term of somebody's life we're in this very lucky place where nothing drastic has happened in the last 30 40 years that we have been around i just hope and pray nothing drastic happens for the next 30 40 years what happens beyond that am dead uh


40 years what happens beyond that am dead uh b it is impossible to predict impossible like i i would i would love to you know fathom a guess and say which way geopolitical stuff will go but you know i think nobody knows i i would i wouldn't be hard-pressed in saying even probably the leaders of russia or you know like america they don't know themselves they also have like one five-year term or four-year term and then they're gone right i mean there are exceptions like putin and all that but nobody really knows it at the end of the day it requires like three four mad people to do three four stupid things and everything could go down hmm are you are you optimistic about the near future like in terms of i'm optimistic about our lives our lifetime like i'm optimistic about the next 30 40 years i don't think much will happen i hope i'm right so things will go the same way maybe you know you could put an angle of philosophy into this


you could put an angle of philosophy into this and say that because of shark tank becoming mainstream in india entrepreneurship will come to the forefront there'll be entrepreneurs in india lots of business creators lots of job creators hey one thing you know there's so much critique for you know the bjp government and the prime minister and all of that one thing you have to give them credit for is we have at the end of the day had like 40 50 unicorns in india right like in one year to have created an ecosystem where companies could thrive like that to have created you know access to capital has never been easy right like 30 years ago this was impossible or 15 years ago this was impossible india has become more attractive to so many foreign investors at some level because of consistency at the top at the center and i think they have played a part in it so you know a lot of critique is passed their way but this one thing the stability that they've maintained in


this one thing the stability that they've maintained in the last 10 years i think eight years we have to kind of give them credit for that yeah which is why i've rarely heard anyone from the world of finance really critiquing the government in terms of their economic policies at least like i hear a lot of people saying exactly what you said and you know the realistic scenario is that there's no political competition to them so it's likely that they will be in power for a while which you know from a capitalistic perspective at least it means a lot of glory uh if there were 40 unicorns last year god alone knows how many unicorns will be built over the next five years i personally feel that definitely content affects culture and people are under underestimating how important or shark tank has played in making entrepreneurship a dinner table conversation so for the kids who are 10 years 15 years younger than me dude it's going to be so easy for them to get into becoming business people it


easy for them to get into becoming business people it was so difficult for me to convince my parents all my co-founders had trouble convincing their parents to get into business and i'm sure that this is the story for so many young indian kids though the big hope is that more people step into the world of business but coming back to the finance side of things here i asked the finance professional in you that is it correct to say that if our country creates more businesses and say we actually start selling to the world uh is it great for india i mean i know it's an obvious answer but i'd love for you to detail that out a little more like what what what happens yeah of course see we've been fairly competitive in many industries right like in india i'm talking from a global standpoint take pharmaceuticals for example take it i.t services in india china has been great at manufacturing for a long long time now many things play a part in this but the fact that you


play a part in this but the fact that you know cost of labor is significantly cheaper here in our country compared to the west please a big part of it you know that's why a lot of outsourcing i'm not taking anything away from the skid labor and all the efficiencies that we had but at some level people started coming here first outsourcing their services to india because of the cost of labor uh you know the chinese for a long time people used to keep saying that the remnant b is artificially deflated so they become more uh competitive uh so from one perspective if india's currency were to depreciate like it like it has been in the last 10 years not so much in the last one or two years but otherwise we we lose about four four and a half percent to the dollar in terms of relative value uh one could argue that uh further depreciation will make uh us more efficient from an export uh lens and make us more competitive in the global scenario but i think


us more competitive in the global scenario but i think you know the big problem in india right now is upskilling labor improving education i think uh that low-tier export that we do as the country develops will become less relevant uh we will really kind of like you know have to uh shore up our you know kind of like the education system in india provide really skilled services and high in uh kind of like move up the value chain i think that's the future for india so basically if we focus on education we focus on upskilling you're creating a workforce for all the businesses that are going to be created over the next 10 to 15 years and overall like successful capital uh capitalists along with their teams will drive the growth of the country that's basically a good case scenario for what you're saying but in saying all this i also want to highlight some of the negatives because this is season two of the nvidia show so we do we do it from a 360 degree perspective so you know


do it from a 360 degree perspective so you know i feel kind of one thing i've learned about looking at countries from a macro lens is that you got to perceive it like a business you have things that are going right you can be optimistic but you've also got to focus on what the holes within the boat are what are the holes that are supposed to be plugged what can possibly go wrong so again from the finance lens what do you think are the problems that we're facing and what do we need to fix if i have to put them in like a couple of broad categories let's do like three or four i would say inflation unemployment fiscal deficit yeah i think these three are like probably in my view big problems of today inflation people often don't uh uh realize you know i was reading this book by milton friedman a few days ago very like very creative colorful character right he was an economist who kind of like uh championed in a certain way the uh lazy


uh championed in a certain way the uh lazy faye form of governance where less involvement is better than more involvement and stuff like that but uh he talks about inflation as a tax uh you know when your purchasing power goes down officially we think inflation in india is six percent you know between five to six percent uh pragmatically living on the ground in india it feels like a lot more uh you know steel copper crude all these commodities have rallied by fifty hundred percent uh taking up the cost of you know like uh goods being produced in the country and uh many many other things are you know so much more expensive than they were three four years ago so inflation like even if you look at housing price inflation i think that alone is significantly higher than that five six percent number that we keep hearing but if you were to consider inflation let's say ten percent for example uh you have to think that you're purchasing power in the country is going


that you're purchasing power in the country is going down by 10 like if runway has 10 lakh rupees 10 lakh rupees in his bank account this year he can buy maybe a car which cost 10 lakhs but next year that same car cost 11 lakhs and you can't afford it with that same 10 lakh rupees if you put your money in a bank ft in india today you get four four and a half percent pre-tax net of taxes you probably make like three percent uh with inflation being so much higher than uh three percent people are effectively losing their purchasing power every year that money remains parked in their bank accounts i think this will have many repercussions in the future once it kind of blows out of proportion and it becomes uncontrolled and it's rising quickly the government will have to quickly move interest rates above the inflation rates so let's assume inflation goes to 10 interest rates will have to become 12. we've been in this easy money scenario for a few years


been in this easy money scenario for a few years now and so much borrowing has happened towards kpx and other activity uh that a it would become increasingly hard for these people who have borrowed to service that debt uh but b companies will then you know find it very hard to go out and borrow at 15 20 percent to grow their businesses and kind of like have any kind of capex activity uh so inflation is a big headwind in my opinion uh we've kind of like i think we've spoken about the problem but we have not really given it the amount of attention it is due for as big a problem as it is the second thing i was talking about is unemployment i think last month's number in india came at about eight percent uh which was the highest we have seen in in the recent past uh when you know somebody hears eight percent unemployment they think is so low don't have a job 92 are working but it's not like that right like they don't consider people under the


like that right like they don't consider people under the age of 15 they don't consider people over the age of 60 they don't consider there are many more categories you know you have to be educated wanting to get a job and like willingly unemployed kind of a thing so when they say eight percent the real number is significantly higher like you know like many times higher the actual unemployment on the ground and geographically it's very dispersed so karnataka for example or maharashtra might have two percent unemployment but say haryana or punjab might have 25 bihar might have a huge number uh up might have a big number uh historically like if you go back in time this is probably the biggest benchmark to when society kind of revolts like you were talking earlier about you know in many cases people going after people who are publicly kind of like have known to done well monetarily or financially in a certain way is testament to that as well because a huge section of society is kind of not doing


a huge section of society is kind of not doing as well as they should be today uh you know like between us like you know we all are so lucky to have been born where we are born to whom we were born the fact that we had access to education the fact that we could go to a school uh you know i'm not saying anybody's affluent or stuff like that but you know you still had the opportunity to go to school you had the opportunity to you know like uh go to hospital and stuff like that so we're we're that tiny lucky minority in the company in a way and the vast majority of the country is is still struggling on many of those domains so unemployment has the potential of becoming a really big problem the third thing maybe we can talk about is the birth rate uh you know like in society every couple has to give birth to 2.1 kids for the population of the country to remain stagnant in the recent census which came out i can't remember


the recent census which came out i can't remember all the numbers but the headline number has gone below 2.1 in india karnataka for example is 1.7 i think maharashtra is 1.8 1.9 states like bihar up are higher closer to 2.83 where the populations will continue to grow but that whole argument about how india's population will continue to grow up and double uh is gone now i think in as maybe in you know the next 20 30 40 years we will get to that point where population starts to dwindle uh you know it's happening in china now they removed the one child policy and now they're encouraging people to have two kids and more kids because it's become a really hard problem for them the one good learning when it comes to population is i think from countries like japan who have lived this cycle earlier when when fertility rates go down as quickly as they have in india you will have this 30 40 50 year period where you have a really big portion of your


period where you have a really big portion of your population which is in that unproductive age range like between say 60 to 80 which needs to be supported uh uh the average age in india today has maybe gone up from 24 to 28 or 30 but when it goes to 40 when it goes to 50 or when you have this huge population which is not productive in society in the traditional sense it will be a huge strain on the economy you can't expect a older economy like that to grow at eight nine ten percent we've seen it in japan in the last few decades that there's barely been any growth right so we might enter a phase like that it has many repercussions for uh different ecosystems across like you know take real estate for example uh we were always told that limited uh resource limited land always increasing number of people so the price of real estate will go up uh tomorrow if the number of people is no longer going up or is going down does that uh does it argument reverse


is going down does that uh does it argument reverse we expected urbanization to happen in india like it did in china we use them as a benchmark in some sense but does something change in the people's minds where you know people are no longer as you know i think farming is aggregating right that will happen like smaller farmers will kind of like fold in we'll have bigger farms with more technology and equipment and all of that but does that then definitely mean urbanization i don't know i think it'll be interesting to wait and watch but this birth rate issue uh you know i think will become a really big issue for india in the next 30 40 50 years and it'll affect many many industries yes i would say these three things are you know like probably on the top of my head the biggest things to worry about right now so i mean i won't really talk about the third issue you spoke about because that's kind of out of our control unless uh we build biotech based


out of our control unless uh we build biotech based businesses and pick it up in a black mirror way uh where we enhance human uh youth but maybe let's address the first two realistic problems um the the first one you spoke about especially inflation can i tell anybody about the birth rate issue there's this really interesting company called crispr in america have you heard of it it's also a technology they've won the nobel prize a few years ago yes they're doing some incredible work and i think you know like if anything can be done about uh a lot of the issues that we have today medically i somehow suspect some of the answers might come from there could you give the abcs of crispr for the audience very complicated i've i've like read about them i own some stock in them i've like been looking at them for many years so this might be totally wrong because i'm no expert but i think whenever you look at dna in between all the different stuff that is going on there


between all the different stuff that is going on there are some things which are common and some things which are uncommon and they figure out a way to modify this at birth and they're able to read it at birth so they know what you're susceptible to and how to kind of tweak stuff in your dna to make you like you know you know less susceptible to cancer or taller or more intelligent and stuff like that i think the potential for that in the future is huge it's a bad bad stock investment for me i think i bought it at 110 20 dollars and i think it must be trading at 60 70 dollars now but outside of that as a technology and the the use case for it i think is tremendous yeah let's see how it evolves over the next 10 to 20 years but uh coming back to realistic finance conversations because this is a finance podcast mr carmen uh what about the inflation issue like how do you actually how does one tackle that i mean obviously one


how does one tackle that i mean obviously one can't but i'm speaking as uh you know for the government see what does the finance ministry do about that issue going forward well honestly you know a lot of the inflation issues across the world have been percolating down from the federal reserve printing money in america so not like we have much control uh you know if you go back to economic theory there's a there's a guy called john maynard keynes he had the keynesian model if you were to take two contrasting viewpoints right keane's believed in when things are not going well uh throw money helicopter money uh pump so much money in the economy increase consumption that in turn will lead to growth in one way or the other there was another guy friedrich hayek on the other side hayek always you know was more uh air on the side of caution you know like the complete opposite of what kings were saying in a certain way the world largely uh the capitalistic world largely


way the world largely uh the capitalistic world largely or the democratic world largely has followed the canadian model and i don't know if there's a solution for it i think you know to be uh to make the cost of capital higher and to reduce liquidity from the ecosystem is probably the only prudent way to make sure it's in check like you know otherwise you know we'll go like the way of turkey or something i don't know if you've been watching what's been happening with turkey but you know it's like batshit crazy right like uh erdogan does not believe in increasing interest rates uh immaterial of where inflation is at uh so you know inflation could be well at twenty thirty forty percent but he still wants to lend money to people at nominal rates like one one-fifth or one-fifth of that so inflation continues to grow up go up uh the currency has deflated by 70 percent 60-70 percent and it's it's total chaos right like i don't think we


it's total chaos right like i don't think we can go in that direction i think the reasonable world that we live in india the only tool they will really have is raising interest rates and reducing liquidity when inflation goes up and i think we will see a cycle of that in the near future got it uh what was the second one you had mentioned you had said inflation the birth rate and unemployment right unemployment was so have you have you heard of this thing called the japanese economic miracle uh it's basically after world war ii how they bounced back and i i kind of studied it for a video that i wanted to write once upon a time and what i figured is it was just highly effective productivity hacks that they used um but on a much more macro scale so the government said that every business is going to follow these systems and they were basically productivity hacks that you will meet so many times in a week you will or try doing business with sister companies you'll grow as


try doing business with sister companies you'll grow as an ecosystem rather than one company do you think that kind of where india is we should be inspired by the south koreas and japans of the last 50 years and take things forward to take this 40 unicorns a year thing to 400 unicorns a year yeah yeah i mean i mean it's interesting you say that you know adam smith used to say that if if we as individuals or we as companies we all act in our own interest in a selfish way almost uh together as a unit we do better right like he was again a very interesting guy and what he believed in but i don't know if the japanese model will work for india i i think uh i think we are so big in terms of scale and the problem is so acute that the only real way to you know kind of like do anything with unemployment is probably like you know really short up education a contrary opinion to that would be you know something like ubi universal basic


that would be you know something like ubi universal basic income has to become a reality sooner than later i think not just in india but across the world uh capitalism is like that right we want to move see socialism doesn't work communism doesn't do as we know that but we need to move from capitalism to some form of benevolent capitalism with not just benevolence but also checks and rules in place like you know inheritance tax and property tax to make sure society on the whole is okay wealth disparity has become such a big issue today that if you were to go back in time and you know there's plenty of precedent for this right like if if uh 20 people in a community of 100 people own 90 of the assets the community can survive but if one person holds 99 of the community's assets the other 99 will go after him with sickles to take what he has aware i think we're going in that direction we're kind of like crawling in that direction and it is


of like crawling in that direction and it is a real issue but i think the only solution for that is a taxing in a more efficient manner and be using the tax money efficiently to you know create a good model where people who do not have a job are still taken care of in a certain way okay so nikhil before heading into the last section keeping in mind this previous section that we've just spoken about say hypothetically someone makes you the finance minister for a year like you know an anil kapoor in a kind of situation for you yeah uh but i'm not asking you the details right i'm not gonna tell you ask you like which policy are you going to create generally what would be the three or four things in your mind in terms of okay these are the tweaks i want to make to take the country forward um i would focus more on transaction taxes versus income taxes because i feel like that one percent of the country which is paying income tax i don't think you should


is paying income tax i don't think you should burden them anymore i mean i think you know this is not even the rich right this is like the middle class who are essentially getting a salary and paying most most amount of their income as tax uh i was doing some kind of a calculation and i was like if india were to abolish income tax and instead try to increase gst to make up for that how much will gst have to go up by uh and in my calculation it was something like 26 20 25 or something so if you're buying a car will cost you 25 more uh but you're not paying any income tax but net net i think what a positive uh result of that would be is not only that one percent will pay tax but a vast majority not majority but a big number in our country which has evaded tax fund ways to put that money in property and things like that they will come under the tax net and net net collections will go up significantly maybe that's something


net collections will go up significantly maybe that's something to look at uh property taxes yeah definitely uh you know if you live in america and connecticut for example you would pay as much as 200 pips two percent a year in property taxes right like if you have this large villa or if you have a mansion uh you can afford it why not pay a considerable amount of tax on it in india that concept does not exist again from the point of view of tax evasion i think taxing property across the board uh will bring a lot more people under the tax net see there's a common narrative in all that i'm saying right i don't think the solution is to tax that poor one percent any more than we have already but but get more people to pay tax uh you know i i would say a very controversial thing that a lot of people will not like but i think farm income has to be taxed beyond a certain point i i totally am on board with supporting the


i i totally am on board with supporting the smaller farmers who are not doing well and need to be helped and all of that but let's say the cap is 10 crore rupees if a farmer earns more than 10 crore rupees a year he has to pay tax i don't think that hurts anybody you know uh i feel like companies like monsanto like these huge agri-tech companies there are cases in which they're earning 200 300 crores of profit a year but they're not paying this tax and they're using this exemption to get out of paying taxes and it just seems ridiculous to me so from the taxation perspective i would do everything uh also inheritance tax i think uh there's precedent for that uh you know the us has inheritance tax uk has estate taxes south korea southeast asian countries everybody has it right the good thing about it is you pay inheritance tax once in your lifetime and you're not burdened with paying it every year so it doesn't discourage


with paying it every year so it doesn't discourage entrepreneurship in a manner that increasing income taxes which are paid every year might do yeah but the general narrative around taxation in my mind is to get a broader section of society to pay tax uh see beyond a point you can't even blame the government for uh you know a lot of the infra that we have and stuff like that because if we have to face it one percent uh the tax that is collected is not enough and you know they don't really have the gun powder to go there and go out there and really transform the country uh so yeah general general message and narrative is around getting more people to pay tax and avoiding tax evasion so mr kamath while i can go on with you much more deeply about these topics uh i think we should do it in another conversation and this conversation is heavy enough by itself which is why we'll head into the last round of uh this particular episode which is called bombs


of uh this particular episode which is called bombs of emotion okay and i've made it a point to kind of get sort of the emotional state of mind of all my guests captured in each uh episode so where are you emotionally but you know keeping in mind the theme of this episode i'd also like to ask you generally about the world of indian billionaires because i know that's the kind of circles you do have access to so what are people's emotional states of mind in those circles like what is their reality like and also specifically in finance dude you're talking such hard numbers and you know facts figures uh it's kind of like an intense world so how do you kind of handle your own mental health here what is your state of mind like yeah firstly you know the affluent of today the ones have gotten very very lucky i hang out with the a few of them you know the bangalore crowd this is more so true for bangalore than it is for delhi or hyderabad or


bangalore than it is for delhi or hyderabad or bombay but the level of conscience conscious in a way like how socially active they have gotten recently is tremendous like you know i'll give you an example like you know pick some friends of mine for example take kittens or take uh the the tech guys who have done well like the old infrastructure group nandana lakini and chris kopala krishna you know we all meet up once in a while in bangalore these are incredible uh people who are so humble and so loving and you know they do so much to encourage and motivate people like us who are you know like much smaller and younger and stuff like that the one common trait i see in bangalore increasingly with time is uh these people never really are focused on how much money who is making or what they're spending it on or what houses they have or what cars who drives i think uh all of them are beyond that point right they really really have this


are beyond that point right they really really have this innate love for the city it's like you know bangalore is a country of its own in in our minds and uh where we have that common bond and bangalore is what binds us together uh so i think that's one incredible thing about the city that i don't see in other cities like maybe i don't know enough but when i go to delhi bombing either watch and i don't see that level of uh affection and you know giving back to the city and stuff like that we have a new group called vipp it's called young india philanthropy pledge so we are trying to get more people not in their 50s but in their 30s who have done well especially in the tech world to come out and give away a substantial amount of their uh wealth uh you know like we pledge 25 percent we encourage people to do more than that but we encourage people to start participating with the crew the projects we're doing primarily are around


the crew the projects we're doing primarily are around education now uh you know we have this project in karnataka which has just gone on the floor where we're trying to improve 200 government high schools uh so we're getting smart classrooms improving toilet facilities painting the school uh trying to do teacher training and stuff like that uh so many many incredible people around me like it's mind-blowing like i had a dinner at home last night for uh ypp so they were all sitting and talking and ideating what we should do next and uh you know we had some very interesting people who came by this guy raj nui indranovi's husband he runs this big philanthropic project him the give india found the vedanta founder and prashanth the axel md it's incredible to see how that ecosystem of the people who have gotten lucky in bangalore is evolving and i think it is it is super encouraging for the country if that can be replicated and taken to other cities and other domains


be replicated and taken to other cities and other domains i think i think the country will do incredibly well like i'm not even kidding like you know we're on a show and we're recording this and all of that but when you meet these people like uh people like chris kopala krishna and all that right these are people are worth four five billion dollars you know they they're people who would be driving like a toyota old like 20 year old car with no bodyguards and no nothing and probably driving it themselves and wearing some old t-shirt and it it's just such a good ecosystem to live and work in uh your your when your idols are like that i think uh things uh your priorities are kind of like nudged in the right direction yeah so i i totally like you know i'm like one of the biggest champions for the bangalore cause and i keep kind of like bringing a band of wherever i can and kind of promoting it yeah as i said nitin and


of promoting it yeah as i said nitin and you are like two real life rahul davids and that's the case with many bangalore people that you meet but uh how how are you otherwise man like in terms of um how you looking at your own near future and i'm not just asking from a zero her perspective but as a human being as a man what do you want next from life yeah so see i think i've gotten the privilege uh i'm in the position today when nobody reports to me okay like i don't have any people to you know kind of like make sure they're doing their job and you know they're selling or they're doing this or that i spend my time uh doing research investment related stuff and that has uh that has been what has enamored me for so long now right and i enjoy that i don't like the whole you know being a leader being somebody's boss kind of stuff in life i would much rather sit in front of my trading terminal or like sit and


in front of my trading terminal or like sit and read research reports and spend my time doing that and by virtue of having gotten lucky i think i have that privilege in life today but i can do that and i spend my time doing that so that has left me feeling emotionally a bit more fulfilled than i was maybe a year year or two ago i've had you know like many ups and downs some being more public like than i would have liked for them to be but uh these things have i think taught me to be more resilient i'm in a weird way i'm glad they happen because uh i feel more able to deal with issues in life today because of the stark issues i've had in my past you know if i were to pick who to go out with dinner go out for dinner with if i had a choice of two people one who has had like this super tumultuous life and ups and downs and has gone to jail and has has like you know


has gone to jail and has has like you know has probably had somebody die close to him and has probably gone bankrupt and all of that and has had many cycles and the other guy is a guy who is incredibly intelligent and has won it everything in life and is probably the richest man in the world uh i would think picking the more interesting guy the guy who's had the ups and downs will be more interesting to me to me it might be different to somebody else i think the scars you bear kind of make you more interesting as a person and i feel like uh insecurities have gone down a bit uh i'm like you know i've always been a reasonably insecure person but uh in the last year or so it has gotten lesser also i feel with time ambition is going down a little bit like i'm not as ambitious as i was five years ago i'm not as hungry as greedy uh it's not like i want to do a hundred new things i want


i want to do a hundred new things i want to like right now focus on doing things that i like and working with people that i like working with and i feel like i want the privilege to do that and i think that is the biggest metric of success you know for me i feel like the freedom to work with who you want and work on the kind of projects that are interesting to you is what is most fulfilling and i've been focusing on that and i'm i'm really liking it all the new things which are like you know doing them because they're interesting yeah you know you're one of the few people in my life where every single conversation with you i learned something new and it could even be a simple question like this in terms of how are you bro and you'll still tell me something about yourself where i'll say that yeah i i find myself in your shoes in some moments in terms of ambition gradually going down all that i i have echoes of those thoughts already


that i i have echoes of those thoughts already so you know one of the big privileges and blessings of my life is that i have the opportunity to talk to people like yourself who've had this wider range of experience as men so i wish you all the luck dude thank you uh just for entering my life in this very random podcasting way i'm glad deeply grateful always i have to add about you you're you have so much positive energy right like i keep telling uh when whenever we catch up i i keep telling whoever like i keep telling her ranveer has such optimism about everything he does and it's good to be around you like you know each time we hang out i feel like you know i wish i had a little bit of runways optimism like please give it to me from somewhere i'm too pessimistic as a person so it's great that you can be that way and authentically that way not just on camera but out of outside of camera and all the time


but out of outside of camera and all the time no thank you bro if i fail at everything i'm doing in life i'll come to you and say i'll be around you dude i'm going to be no no i'm kidding dude i think i think it's a defense mechanism i had a pretty rough teenage and college phase so i just learned to be like this but i'm glad it works for me and i love that our journeys have met because of technology so thank you brother and i wish you i wish you more of everything that you wish for so keep keep being who you are dude i know the pure person you are so just keep being yourself thank you thank you so that was the episode with nikhil karma i do want to know from you guys what you all think of the new style of questioning what you'll think of the new vibe of the show is it a little too heavy is it just right i feel like we're building a community with trs i also feel that


we're building a community with trs i also feel that all the episodes up to this point was sort of education for that community we've spoken about the abcs of multiple topics now it's time to take that knowledge and actually dive into topics so that's what season two is about the new setup all these new guests all this new energy let me know what you think remember follow trs clips because the highlights of each episode are going to be on that youtube channel and remember to follow us on spotify as well every episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world let's build this trs community together let's spread knowledge as far and as wide as is possible [Music]


so today's piece is slightly experimental we've never really covered pop culture and pop culture events on this podcast tried it for this particular episode let me know what you guys thought remember follow us on spotify very spotify exclusive now which means that every episode of the runway shows available on whatever 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world for this episode we had the lovely virat shade with the lovelier nandani shinoya who's my childhood best friend but who's also a marketing expert she's a pop culture expert i think you guys will enjoy this super fun super relaxed conversation so do your thing at home go about your source of exercise and enjoy this chilled episode of the ranvi show oh what a cute podcast today with my two best friends he was my professional best friend he was my personal best friend we're talking about what do you call it what what's the theme culture pop culture talking about everything from kanye to kim to the babies to joe rogan jorgen's not their


the babies to joe rogan jorgen's not their baby [Laughter] welcome to the ranveer show nandani [Music] thank you i appreciate it why don't you introduce yourself okay so hi i'm nandhani and my greatest claim to fame is that i'm ranvir al-badiyah's best friend but outside of that uh i work at a startup i do marketing i'm someone who really enjoys pop culture she's a pop culture aficionado nice three point word congratulations [Laughter] moving on how do you feel about being on the ranveer show how do you feel about uh you know this vibe are you still a little awkward out in front of camera are you okay now uh honest truth like i'm okay on the camera that's fine i mean it's there i'm just like a generally a little bit of an awkward person so hopefully that's gonna go by the end of this so okay fair i have basically figured that i need to make the podcast less serious and uh that's why usually


the podcast less serious and uh that's why usually i end up co-hosting it with viraj today i don't know who the [ __ ] i'm co-hosting it with so uh i think we're co-hosting it tell us about your inexistent sex life uh well that's debatable [Laughter] i mean every virgin ever but yeah i think afterwards we're actually doing a valentine's day special where my best friend asks me questions about my love life dialing back to eighth standard because that's no that's that's the time period from when i used to give a dope on like the girl i wanted to marry it still happens now the dope is more spiritual this girl is the one i want to marry you know why she's into meditation before it used to be about like how pretty someone is now it's like oh my god the vibe the vibe is so good dude i think the tiaras audiences aura is sick of fearing the word vibe bro what's the vibe i wiped with that


bro what's the vibe i wiped with that i'm not getting the vibe man we're going with a chill wipe yeah like every verb his vibe energy and the energy was right how do you feel about the energy and vibe in this room it's nice the energy is lovely thriving loved it okay okay just i'm sorry her vibe was fantastic okay i'm glad okay what was that word you use dash culture dude i'm kidding i'm a sharp guy anyway we're talking about pop culture so we have a new segment on the show called pc news which we brought because i wanted to kind of [ __ ] up the show a little bit in a positive way so uh let's hit it time for pc news hit it [Music] okay so pc news today will begin with uh joe rogan uh veraj and me break down a lot of joe rogan because we've been watching jorgen since engineering college uh before we get into the dope what's your quick outlook on who he is and where


your quick outlook on who he is and where he stands in the world of pop culture look i mean like it can't be denied that joe rogan has like a lot of good content that he does put out and he has a lot of interesting conversations with people but just because someone does put out good content it cannot be ignored that some things that he does say are like a little bit problematic so i mean i think everything has to be you know kind of always taken with a grain of salt the only thing that i would say about like any podcast anything that you kind of watch on the internet read on the internet uh don't trust anyone like take it with us except trs except trs guys but like you should take everything with a like huge pinch of salt and if it comes from jorgen you should also take it from a with a pinch of salt and you should definitely do your own research about things before you decide how you feel about something okay now we will talk about you yeah please


something okay now we will talk about you yeah please go because fanboy [Music] assuming that people know that we are joe rogan as i think most urban men all over the world are i believe am i writing yeah i mean yeah i mean i wouldn't generalize like that but like you like i've rarely met men who say bad things about jurgen until recently where people started uh dissing him and calling him an anti-vaxxer i've spoken about this earlier the podcast we did with varun doki and again he's not said that you don't take the vaccine he's trying to understand the concept of vaccines and he himself is not comfortable with it we're not anti-vaxxers we've both gone double shot it triple shorted put the certificate [Laughter] but um my point is he's coming under a lot of scrutiny for viraj so there's a couple of things it's just that i think spotify has been facing this whole sort of issue with him because some other older singers neil


issue with him because some other older singers neil young who i've never heard of in my life seems like a very old-ass [ __ ] dude the south bombing lady will tell you where nearly i don't live in south bombay but yes i do know who neil young is i listen to his music at night when i'm surfing so i don't listen to a lot of male young but like green tea he was really famous at one point of time but yeah i mean like all these are relevant now yeah exactly so i actually just the word that i used was probably irrelevant now like they were like joni mitchell was like a huge star at one point in time but like she's not that relevant now so i guess so maybe they're just trying to seek more attention now is is that safe to say i don't know they're from like that hippie generation so like for them there's like a morality thing also oh yeah there's a major i don't think that is i don't think that


i don't think that is i don't think that it's just like they're not the views [Laughter] there's a life beyond views really i don't know i don't know who these people you speak so okay he first got into trouble because uh he would question the whole vaccination process his way of looking at things as he calls on like experts of their industry uh epidemiologists biologists people who worked in pharma there are people who've raised their concern i feel he has his own opinion on things and he has been calling people who will kind of fuel his opinion usually joe hogan is known to call on people who fuel both sides of the story that's a part of his greatness that's how he built out his legacy joe rogan didn't have as greater legacy back in 2012 2013 and we used to listen we kind of look at it as a casual podcast and it's become culturally extremely mainstream which is why there's much more to lose i also feel he's taken away a


more to lose i also feel he's taken away a lot of audiences of traditional news media and he's definitely being targeted because i saw a clip that and i'm not i'm not defending him i'm saying a part of this whole war is that he's definitely targeted by big media houses there's a clip actually that cnn ran i think where uh when rogan got uh covert himself he treated himself using something called ivermectin ivamectin traditionally is also used as a horse tranquilizer what people should know about ivormectin is that it's actually also used in the uh in medicine by doctors uh i i asked my mom about it was also doctor she said yeah it's a pretty widespread even you're from a doctor family have you had this i have a mectin conversation no i haven't though okay so i haven't had that with my parents so i don't know i i had a conversation with a few relatives of mine and they were like yeah it is a commonly used medicine to


were like yeah it is a commonly used medicine to treat different kinds of illnesses and it's not just i think different kind of flu if i'm not mistaken okay again we're not medical practitioners i'm relaying information um but news media portrayed it as yo um joe rogan is telling people to use horse uh and they kind of drew out this intense negative uh narrative imagery from here now if there's anyone who's not kept up with this podcast and his podcast is difficult to keep up with because he does three hours three-hour episodes five times a week you can take anything out of context very easily yeah yeah for sure i mean they've definitely picked on the thing that is going to sell the most in terms of what whatever their spin is anyone who's got maximum clout maximum search engine power maximum numbers you you usually try placing that person's name in your work so that it takes off in terms of yeah this is a youtube algorithm that like many youtubers we know


a youtube algorithm that like many youtubers we know do the same thing it's the same logic as over reporting about bollywood shady or over reporting bollywood gossip because you know it'll sell nobody i mean isn't there like a diminishing return on that like i get it that it will sell for a period of time but i mean at some point like there are enough people who watch joe rogan's podcast to know that like one sentence out of context is not like something but clickbait clickbait cells right so there's also a whole bunch of people who don't consume his podcast every single minute so people who sort of anyway hate his ideology just need to knit just need to find that one sort of you know no i understand that it's just that like you know the new cycle also has a lifespan right so yeah right now we're talking about joel hogan and like for the next three weeks people will probably talk about joe logan but i mean eventually it's not going


joe logan but i mean eventually it's not going to harm jorgen's numbers it's only going to help his numbers just remind me let the agent tell you about what happened yeah so so everyone was all like oh jorgen might miss out on the spotify deal or he might lose out on a lot of money and all contrary to that so first of all joe rogan has a very solid contract and i feel like if spotify you know falters on the contract they need to have to pay him up yeah and they won't do that because they know rogan brings in a lot of numbers so there's uh another platform called rumble who's who c was already given joe rogan another offer that if you ever consider moving out of spotify yours 100 million dollar contract over the next four years and it it's i think one up better on the spotify contract because the spotify contract was 100 mil over five years um and rumble i didn't even know there was a company that existed like that so it's


was a company that existed like that so it's fantastic marketing for them yeah they also said that we won't censor your podcast because after this whole covert situation where i i won't say he was encouraging anti-vaxxers but he was adding fuel to that conversation yeah for sure he wasn't like shutting that conversation down which i think is what the major issue is that like he kept that conversation alive and because joe rogan generally has so much credibility the fact that he put his voice behind that is what made it even more problematic on the flip side the argument can be made that like you don't have to watch his content like he is free to do whatever yeah yeah but i mean there is i guess but he does influence a lot of people yeah i need to be like content yeah with great power comes great responsibility [Laughter] [Music] the the person who's going to get [ __ ] the most is actually the spot if i see you and i think he's facing the most amount


you and i think he's facing the most amount of brand both from the right and the left because danny leck or something and um he's basically said it out in public and to his employees that hey we don't back a lot of rogan's comments but we're not going to de-platform him because he [ __ ] brings the mula basically that's not what he said but that's the point you know what what i admire about rogan is how [ __ ] consistent he's been with his content releases content i see it from that lens um dude i know what he was in 2012 and 2013. like donate bitly was a friend in college you have to keep going who watch his show it's a great ufc broadcast right it was nothing back then you just started bringing on historians this was at episode number 900 or 800. dude you were watching joe rogan's content everyone's school also no that was fear factors i distinctly remember having a conversation with you about jurors maybe it was 11th


conversation with you about jurors maybe it was 11th or something yeah it was college started his podcast when we were in college when we were in engineering like our first year okay so that's around that i discovered and i have too much respect for him as a content creator for just staying consistent and growing his brand and i feel he's like i strongly feel he became way more intelligent as the years passed because he got access to a lot of professors he got access to the top experts in each and every industry yeah dude and um as a podcaster because i've now spoken to like about 250 different people all good with their work okay i do a deep dive into their minds and i kind of see how much data is then there's some people who just shock you with the amount of data okay right abhijit saket modi all these guys incredible amounts of data but there is a limit to all of them all of them but as a listener when i hear joe rogan's podcast


a listener when i hear joe rogan's podcast and i hear his input on other people's subjects i realized that dude this guy's head is deeper than anyone i have spoken to and that's happened because he's grilled himself over ten years four episodes a week five episodes a week constantly learning from the world's best people right um i'm telling you as a podcast listener as well as a podcast still myself i think he's one of the most intelligent people i've come across you know in media in my life and i think he's one of the most intelligent people i'll come across ever so i think he has that right to hold that massive audience right uh and i think it is his right to question he's a human being that's who he is that's his internal but i mean the counter to that is also just that he's a generalist in many senses right like when you mention someone like a saket modi or an abhiji chavda they're like experts of their


an abhiji chavda they're like experts of their own subject so they know a lot deeper about that subject that than like probably anyone else in the world or that probably in that point one percent in that subject you know so that's different rogan because of course he's significantly like older or whatever and he's had this experience of like about 15 20 years just interacting with people and with the top of the top people in the world he's just built that curiosity and hunger to learn about new things over a period of time so i while while talking you'll feel like he knows a lot but he probably doesn't know as deeper about a subject yeah as probably the the medicine guy or the doctor the epidemiologist that he's bringing on his show but he'll know a lot of wider things like he can talk about ufc and medicine and also the amazon rainforest for example so that's probably the distinction here so what's the consensus here as urban youth of the world i mean rogan should keep


youth of the world i mean rogan should keep doing what he's doing there is a certain sense of responsibility for sure but i don't think spotify will de-platform him at all they know they've got like a golden goose in rogan and they will keep having him on board till he keep hatches those golden eggs i honestly urge people to listen to joe rogan's podcast dude like there's a lot of [ __ ] episodes and there's countless valuable episodes like there's just the way it's opened up my head over the years also as a conversationalist also has like multiple data point holder the people he brings on it's fantastic and also kind of demotivates me a little bit about doing a podcast in india for some reason i feel that at least after two three years of doing this i don't feel we're as good communicators as americans are and there's more options in terms of guests so i i kind of somewhere i feel a little bit handicapped as an indian


i feel a little bit handicapped as an indian podcaster sometimes but let's see maybe indian podcast will write its own story we have this whole spiritual depth and all that that's probably where it will go but absolutely nandani final opinions on jre i think that there is a lot of good there in terms of the amount of content he puts out the kind of people that you would like get to see in that kind of setting uh but i would advise caution to everyone for anything and everything that please do your own research take everything don't take anything at face value and take everything with a pinch of salt and what's your opinion on vaccines in underneath that you should take them okay we will i mean we have we have men cluster it again uh kim kardashian and kanye west and the news and because dash culture pop culture because you're a pop culture expert i want to know honestly i have not followed this whole cayman kanye thing other than knowing the fact that they're married


thing other than knowing the fact that they're married and that kim became a billionaire while she was married to him and i think while they were married kanye was had this financial meltdown or something yeah absolutely okay both of you all educate me what happened there why why do you all think they got divorced uh what kind of dent has it made in the world of pop culture tell me nandini dude this is probably like the most publicized divorce that you're ever going to see in like pop culture like because kimmy as maybe yeah as it is they make a noise they were a brand on their own like they were together more powerful than what they were individually kim yeah was like a thing for a long time [Laughter] i don't know dude i don't think that you could deal with yay i think maybe you could deal with kim though i i don't think that like you would be able to gel with ea as a girlfriend i feel like maybe like actually i think he's


i feel like maybe like actually i think he's the yeah he's he's he's a fanatic i was about to say that he would require too much attention but then i realized that maybe runway would be into that no he needs all the attention on him now i think you know i like those toxic relationships i also need attention and yeah for like who is getting more attention in that relationship that has as nandani very gently put one so you love a challenge in a girl i was trying to be nice to you okay which is a courtesy you don't extend to me i i give you the permission to not be nice in this moment and say it like it is how about what do you think i need in a girl uh i honestly what you need really is someone who's independent and has their life of their own like you know that's what you really need whether that's what you want right now yeah is that what you're looking for right now i don't think so but i think that that is what


don't think so but i think that that is what you need bro kim has her own businesses kim is a billionaire on her own she's not a billionaire with kanye i'm i'll be a house husband but what if she starts off with a sex tape are you going to be okay with that what what what if he started off with this yeah i didn't do we have records of this content too let's just say that uh it's it's in one of those apps that's highly cyber secured uh somewhere no [ __ ] hackers will take this we were talking about kim and kanye's sex life why you talking about my sex life you you asked my mom sees the podcast dude her impression of both of you all right now my mom's impression of the two of you why because you're talking about my i'm kidding okay [ __ ] dude i was seriously well for a moment dude i don't think i've mentioned i don't think i've met swati until like since i


don't think i've met swati until like since i was 16 so like this is not what i want it's like oh beta [Laughter] do you remember your birthday like your 18th birthday where like no your 17th birthday we got you do you remember this we got we got you uh like condoms right and then then we opened one and ranveer being randhir he decided to blow it up naturally of course and then and then he throws it in his bin like open and so then his mother walks into the room she's like oh hi how are you all that [ __ ] yeah and then his dog comes into the room like arjuna and arjuna sticks his head into the dustbin and pulls the condom out of swati hunty and she's like looking at it and then she looks at us and we look at her and then she goes like okay and then she just stopped the phone and she closed the door and walked away dude you know in her head she wouldn't have thought that


know in her head she wouldn't have thought that my son has had sex with one of these people she would have thought he must have blown a [ __ ] balloon no i'm sure so yeah speaking about my teenage uh let's move on right actually talking about kenya why did you what was that accent where do you want me to start that is the real question like where do you want to start this what's going on no no start it from the top of the relationship but go pacey okay fine so kim and kanye were friends for a long time okay and you'll get like full like you'll get their psychological profiles also like what were they really thinking also [Laughter] so actually you know manglik has like another connotation to it so essentially what it was was that uh manglik women were considered to be too overly sexually active that's what apparently that was that's true no this is what i was told by like someone who is like one of these but that sort of adds up


like one of these but that sort of adds up so like like so they were worried that essentially she would be like a succubus to like whatever uh man she married in south bombay like she would like suck the life out of him you know like that that kim would suck the life out of that kim would suck i would say that's what i'm confused no no kim i don't know if she's a mongolian guys i don't know her check it out yeah please coming back yeah so basically they got married in 2014 after kim had like some 72 day marriage or whatever with some white basketballer who look you know black basketballer who looks white uh chris humphries yes yes i know my nba man i don't know all this other [ __ ] yeah so whatever they got married in a very very very publicized wedding and then they have like four kids do you want me to name them three some freeze no really kanye i need to keep up with this conversation there's one called


need to keep up with this conversation there's one called southwest or something midwest northwest northwest west yeah okay go on yeah so whatever they have four kids uh now let's cut two okay because like there's a lot of things that kanye has said about kim's boobs and like how kim has like gone on and on about what has he said nothing that they're like pillows and kim has gone like yeah guys i really have the softest tits like that is like that is the level of conversation that was around you know during their relationship say more of this [ __ ] how do you know these details dude no i have recently watched keeping up with the kardashians on netflix and then i found it on some like what's the vibe of watching that show uh you watch it while you're doing other things otherwise you should not watch it why like it's white noise as in it's something you keep in the on in the background otherwise it will actively make you dumber it's like a podcast but dummer


you dumber it's like a podcast but dummer yeah like it's a podcast that is giving you no value huh so um yeah i mean like dude honestly while watching keeping up with the kardashians i was actually watching it for like cracks in their marriage dude i'm such a horrible person [Laughter] but like i was watching it just to see like how uncomfortable kanye was like around them and because of you and your body language reading like that's what i was doing while watching the show i was looking at like the hidden body language and there was this really funny scene where like kim is pregnant and it's her birthday and like kanye's got her this cake and then she's like oh my god candles and then kanye is just looking at her like oh my god what did i get into like it's really funny and you can see the pain you know like on his face so do you think the marriage gradually deteriorated uh i think kanye stopped taking his meds


uh i think kanye stopped taking his meds that's kind of what's happened does he actually have an issue i mean he says that he's bipolar right like that so there's nothing like funny about that it's just that like kanye has like um from what like kanye moved to like some farm and she was left taking care of the kids kanye decided that oh i'm going to run for president and she had to like be happy spouse like good i mean like can kanye run a country no he can't but i mean she had to go along with it right so as far as what the pr spin is is that kanye's mental health went down and down and down and became increasingly difficult for which honestly i can believe because kanye is very erratic like from his own social and like um yeah so then she filed for divorce and apparently also cheated on her or something like that that was in some sort of yeah that was in some song of his like i don't know


was in some song of his like i don't know okay i just thought you'd know this yeah i don't know i don't know [Laughter] yeah but anyway so then she filed for divorce and uh then after that kanye has like jumped off the deep end where uh he has been like begging her back like begging her to come back and whatever but on the same hand he's also now in a new couple called julie which is uh someone called julia fox some like socialite whatever whatever and like he's dating her so i don't really understand the double standard why is it the biggest uh divorce in culture pop history pop culture just because like kanye has the vibe of a 13 year old kid who has been told i want him back and then there was like this whole thing where he uh he just like i think he just posts updates into the void you know so there's like this one thing which was like i would like everyone to know that i am not being allowed in my house


know that i am not being allowed in my house and my daughter is on tick tock without my permission and it was just like no one cares kanye like no one cares yeah the reason we brought up kevan kanye as the topics because my news app actually reported this on the top i don't know why because i have no interest in pop culture until this moment in human history no it's good news it's top news man it's that's also because kanye deleted his entire instagram before donna so uh maybe he might have just archived it yeah i mean like dude you know you're wondering something painful yeah so i archived some of my ex's photos and i also found out that instagram has removed archives from this so the supporters have gone for i mean but you will have like something yeah you'll have them somewhere right someone will have them [Laughter] why are we discussing someone's divorce this much when i don't know man you started it okay and didn't you mention the last podcast you


okay and didn't you mention the last podcast you don't like gossiping dude yeah [ __ ] dude you shouldn't talk about people against my whole vibe man yeah [ __ ] i'm going to get canceled like i don't know cancel me uh i'm kidding okay let's move on to some indian gossip incident because that's more accepted and more views um virat and anushka invest in plant-based meat startup blue tribe say we miss the taste of meat cricketer kohli and actress anushka sharma invested in mumbai based blue tribe foods they say we've opted for a plant forward diet which means not consuming any meat because we're animal lovers and also because of the impact meat consumption has on the planet but we do miss the taste sometimes that's why we're getting into it okay so uh essentially the way that mock meat is made especially like say the more fast food variations of mock meat which is like your burger patty or like your sausage or your chicken


burger patty or like your sausage or your chicken nuggets um just because it's vegan doesn't mean that it's healthy it has a lot of ingredients that aren't necessarily you you work in the food industry yeah so i work in the food industry and we uh just as a brand we focus on trying to keep things as clean label as possible so because of that i've become very ocd about looking at ingredients of things and like just preferring not to eat things with ingredients that i can't pronounce so what is there in that dude i would suggest you open it because there's a list of 50 ingredients it's not possible for anyone to remember off the top of their head but any of them like dangerous like there are preservatives and stuff in it like there are artificial flavors preservatives all of that to kind of you don't get to meet like a taste of meat like just essay not like otherwise everyone could make a beyond burger in their house i think they call it uh emulsifiers or something


i think they call it uh emulsifiers or something it's basically something that uh basically in actual animal meat there's animal fat yeah and to mimic the texture of that meat you have to use these uh plant-derived fats which are not necessarily the most healthy i think i believe that's the science but yeah again it's vague because um a lot of those chemicals used they have these names and no one knows the exact kind of ingredients within those ingredients correct and see there are other options also for mock meat like there are healthier options so like for example fruit correct if you eat jackfruit you're essentially just eating like a vegetable or fruit and it's a very neutral yeah kind of eaten jackfruit based mock meat and i've been like a hardcore non-vegetarian that's that's actually pretty close to real uh yeah yeah yeah i've been going around testing mock meat at every place just to see whether i could find one my reason for bringing up so much about mock meat was because i believe


so much about mock meat was because i believe that now using stem cells they are trying to create actual yeah meat which is lab grown meat yeah which is meat but like the issues it's very expensive yeah like right now yeah but going going forward it might actually become cheap but is it meat or is it not it is it is it is actually they don't care it does not come from a cow or like an animal like a live animal so they've mimicked with stem cells right right stem cells i so rough kind of idea what stem cells is a baby's umbilical cord uh i think that contains stem cells or that some kind of yeah you know anything about yeah i mean babies are umbilical cords i know they are preserved like obviously i'm not an expert but they are preserved so that like eventually if like you get blood cancers or anything you're able to extract the stem cells from that umbilical cord to kind of save your life so that is uh one thing we need to


life so that is uh one thing we need to get some like biotech stem cell resources on the show anyway that's a whole separate thing but my point is stem cells can be used to create anything further uh any any other any further body body about the body tissue any further body tissue uh including your retina tissue and all these things that were previously considered untreatable now they're being considered treatable because of stem cell research advancements one of the outcomes of stem cell research advancement is that you can make lab made meat which has the exact same taste i spoke to one biotech person and they said that you can actually modify the dna of that to just keep the taste texture like the food aspect of it but not keep all the negative aspects of it so that's the future apparently yeah i mean that is the dream but that's going to take like years like at least a few decades to reach the place where you can actually eat it and fool someone that it is like


actually eat it and fool someone that it is like actual beef what do you think in what way what do you think of the zone in life as a cricket fan i'm actually happy he let go of captaincy and i think he's gonna come back to the forefront yes nandini and me had the subject called pe bio in school okay so in your ninth and tenth you're supposed to pick a optional subject and uh basics of sports biology but it also has rules of cricket and football so homework used to be going and watching sports wow dude but like i was the only person who was actually studying because i didn't know anything about like the sports or their rules or anything and all of these guys used to just discussing hey offside rule that was a five-mark question to drive that [Music] how many people will be here [Laughter] [Music] uh what do you think of virata what do you think a verad called from the outside because you don't watch cricket regularly anymore


outside because you don't watch cricket regularly anymore no uh what i'm sure you have a good brand image of him great brand baguera what do you think of him as a legacy based uh you know celebrity like what do you think his legacy is going to mean in the long term as a celebrity according to you i think uh it will probably be along the lines of him being a very well respected uh player i think when virat khalid first come into the game he was like um i guess like he had there was a lot of vitriol yeah so he was brash right he was like that very typical punjabi like you know teenager like just like hopped up on energy like with his like you speaking about no one i know other punjabi is mad like what are you saying but but uh like you know virat kohli has like um aged in public with grace despite starting out at a place where he was um like whatever right people used to like kind of write him off


right people used to like kind of write him off as just like some badly behaved he also married wise he exceeded expectations a lot like people didn't think he'd become this good so cricket fans know his worth like they're like okay we've seen this guy not only much on the way you're saying but also as a player like he exceeded expectations heavily yeah and virat kohli honestly is like living proof of what you can do with your life if you like you know uh just inculcate good habits like you like live with discipline and you live with like what like openness and positivity and you work on yourself actively he's like an example of like how far you can actually go of course not everyone has without kohli's potential but like you know he has taken that potential and like run with it dude so there is this whole sort of vegetarian vegan movement has taken over the sports world in nba it's there ah there's there's there is a player called chris paul and


there's there is a player called chris paul and envy was like this is really senior nba point guard which is the main position okay and this guy's to keep getting injured switched to plant base and his injuries all actually have like fully stopped and he's been consistent for two years after like five years of being injured almost all the time so uh there is this sort of like plant-based angle happening in the sports world uh and a lot of older athletes take it up i've studied sports science as a trainer i have understood and also after turning vegetarian what i strongly feel is you do lose a certain amount of power okay like you definitely lose some strength for sure there's something in animal protein that just helps your body recover really fast and helps your body grow to another degree okay um uh in contact sports you need that excess amount of power usually uh like someone like lebron james you know someone who's game is like a little bit more about power hitting like in cricket


little bit more about power hitting like in cricket think of an uh yeah no like a low order batsman who has just smacked the ball right andre russell someone like a fast bowler these kind of people would probably need that excess amount of power right but um older cricketers especially or older sports people are dealing with injuries lately a lot of them started switching to plant-based or at least are talking about plant-based i think even lebron james is opening this group some of the top most athletes louis hamilton is planting based novak djokovic is plant-based but yeah it has benefits like it can extend your career that's that's my reading of it from the outside it's too early to say anything there's no research about this but what i am noticing because of being a fan of different sports is that lots of people are turning plant-based and there must be something dude because these are the top athletes in the world so their nutritionists are obviously the top nutritionist in the world right something


obviously the top nutritionist in the world right something must be up so i i kind of think that uh i mean you've attested to it yourself right that after going vegetarian like you felt like a lot of health benefits and just like terms of how you felt physically mentally yeah so i'm sure that that is also like something that plays into see i know for a fact i felt like mental benefits a lot like i felt calmer i felt less stressed and they say that when your stress levels are high your cortisol levels also shoot up cortisol is a harmful hormone for your body you want less of that in your bloodstream all the time so um maybe it's because i was just calmer my healing mechanisms were better definitely lost muscle loss size lost strength lost power but i wouldn't i wouldn't go back at this age maybe at 23 i think being non-vegetarian was fine but having been vegetarian for so long do you feel your power has come back too close to where it


your power has come back too close to where it was even no it could also be aged like footballers like kind of start dipping around 28 29 which kind of makes me feel weird dude like you know when we were kids and we used to watch sports i was talking having him on yesterday about this that uh when you saw 28 year old 29 year old sportsman you'd say to yourself that yo that person is getting old and beyond we are 20 or 29 yeah and and we're noticing changes changes in our body dude like priorities body just things are changing so become more conscious like what's her pop culture legacy um i don't know but i feel like she's a strong producer i feel like see the thing is that with uh like all the actresses they kind of they fit into similar niches and i feel like they can probably be interchanged at some point but i think anushka sharma uh like off screen is like very well put together and she's like it's very self-possessed and


and she's like it's very self-possessed and she's very like she comes across as very like independent and like ambitious so i feel like she will probably end up making like really great films but i think that she might not be an actor in all of them i think she might like do like the production route because she is good at it like because you're a 28 year old lady what happens to women in the late 20s and early 30s because what i'm noticing is and i also noticed this in guys okay uh but what i notice in women is there's a lot of aging based conversation why is that like what what happens to women who are hitting the 30s especially in say media where it's a looks oriented industry are there some narratives that women are fed about like aging i mean it's not like an out and out narrative it's more like the subliminal messaging of the thing like uh from where it's like any girl child right like whatever media that you're kind of


girl child right like whatever media that you're kind of exposed to like when you're growing up um all of it only has people who have like picture perfect bodies or like picture perfect lives right they don't like obviously with when you grow up you kind of realize and which is where my pinch of salt thing comes from right that you grow up and you realize that they you're only seeing what they want you to see but like when you're growing up as a child like you start thinking that ah this is what i'm supposed to look like and then what tends to happen is that like um you start to feel like a little bit like of self-loathing uh because like you're like why can't i do that like i'm trying my hardest why can't i look like that right and you start to internalize it over time and that leads to kind of low self-esteem and it can lead to like you know women just like like most women i know have some sort of problem with their body most men


have some sort of problem with their body most men i know don't tend to think about it what do you think well i i mean i don't think that's entirely true i also feel like a lot of men are going through like body image issues and insecurities and all that maybe they feel uncomfortable yeah for sure for sure that's the case definitely i don't think like guys discuss like like body issues i've never ever spoken no i have like a little bit here and there but again that's because we are in this industry yeah i don't think but i don't think it happens actively like beyond that like i've never discussed anything with like say you i talk to you because you're my manager yeah like so you like because it's part of the business like and it may hamper it like and all of that but not with like your personal like best friend or you know i mean the conversation with men somehow is not normalized with women i guess it's kind of like getting there it's not


guess it's kind of like getting there it's not normalized by any standard still because like the average uh standard is still what the average standard was like 20 years ago but i appreciate that it's getting there it's just that like maybe it'll just create a little less self-loathing you know in the world because like people don't necessarily have to live up to some standard that some like vogue magazine has designed for you and decided that this is the standard you must live by plus sorry what was the question i told you to make the podcast funny and then you made it serious ask a serious question like what what happens to women in their early 30s okay so like what the [ __ ] kind of question is that like what do you want so what ha wait so what happens to women when they turn 30 is that they grow a second head okay and it starts with like a fun so is this is this with all women or is this specific i think it's with specific weirdos only like


specific i think it's with specific weirdos only like the head thing that was a very nice satire with like a twisted angle she said that her head comes out and tells you to get married but she's actually talking about society yeah so deep clear [ __ ] writer so deep bro love it love it now moving on ronaldo becomes the first person in the history of mankind to reach 400 million followers on instagram ronaldo's wife has a reality show now on netflix yeah he's interesting and i saw the first 15 like minutes give out a good vibe you know he when we used to watch ronaldo when he once could he dated this lady called arena yeah okay okay and the last uh section we're talking about right now is because i've had conversation parallelly with both of you all about this concept which is that korean shows and films are taking over the world uh i felt sorry cho yi yoon on her kiss with lomon being shot 17 times again reported on my news app it's from that


times again reported on my news app it's from that new zombie show on netflix it's called all of us are dead yeah so many people bring it up in conversation generally what's the deal with korean cinema and tv shows and why should one watch them mrs chenoy you have a minute please go for it i mean you should watch it if you're interested in it and you'll want you're like okay reading subtitles personally uh like i found that korean shows tend to take like a slightly more romantic angle but honestly i've not watched enough of them to know that like whether um you should write off the genre because of it it's just that like because they tend to take a slightly more romance based angle on everything i i get impatient and it's like move on what else you got you know but that being said uh i really liked uh all of us are dead that was a fun show um because like you know i'm actually a huge zombie nut like that's like my favorite train


huge zombie nut like that's like my favorite train to busan is a good movie i've seen it yeah yeah so this is like train to busan kind of zombies uh but and but this show is actually very hard hitting in terms of like the human relationships like the zombies are like whatever tertiary to the plot they're there and they're the basic catalyst but beyond that uh the show in itself is like it's about the interpersonal relationships between the characters about like how a situation can turn someone who seems normal into a complete monster very lord of the flies kind of like vibes you know like um it's like you know you there are people that you naturally hate but they are the ones who end up coming out on top then there are people that you're rooting for but they just like die then there are people who like betray each other whatever right so like i think they've done the human relationships of the show like well uh so much so that like you can like forgo the culture


much so that like you can like forgo the culture yeah like that was the case with squid games right the story was like so universal right like that it completely translated culture it did not matter what language they were speaking in you know that is the case with black mirror as well actually in its core every episode is some about one emotion and then it's packaged with this whole future tech dark angle but it's actually about one one emotion i mean black mirror is anyway now like a reality right like um with the neural link that elon musk has made it's basically that uh episode of black mirror right yeah the story of us that last one what do you have to say about korean culture so i have literally only watched squid game and parasite but yeah parasite was like solid so i think yeah it's it's a lot about the way they like you know narrate these like sort of specific emotions like even with parasite it was like it's very normal across like countries and you know


it's very normal across like countries and you know nationalities this whole big divide with the ultra rich and the like extremely poor right and just the treatment of it just that one scene where you know the the rich lady is like you know [ __ ] what's smelling in this car and that's that sort of brings out an emotion uh that dude work like he's just a human like treat people treat them like humans not like worms just the fact that you know these guys are hiding downstairs like you know in inside this massive mansion of theirs just sort of like shows the different kinds of lives that people are living with squid games uh it was very similar that you know best friends could possibly end up being enemies purely because of the survival of the fittest mentality like it's like pitting people against each other there's no money like yeah it's it's money like it's how did you feel when you were watching parasite i was uh i was damn engrossed


parasite i was uh i was damn engrossed in the filmmaking offered keep this is a [ __ ] amazing film what amazing frames what amazing storytelling and i think the director specifically of parasite he is very renowned in korea for sort of being a nolan type director who makes movies in a flow like you can watch the whole movie in one go and you won't know time has passed yeah nolan does a lot of these moving shots apparently even this guy does a lot of play with moving shots and music and you you'll feel that the second time third time you watch parasite i just felt like this could easily have been an indian story also yeah so parasite actually made me very uncomfortable like in the sense it's a great movie and it's not one of those movies where you feel uncomfortable that it doesn't have re-watch value so clockwork orange was that movie for me where it was a good movie to watch the one time but [ __ ] i was so


the one time but [ __ ] i was so uncomfortable i can i can't watch that movie again and it's been like 10 years since i've seen it so uh but like with parasite there were potions when i was distinctly so uncomfortable so like you know that scene that you're talking about where she can smell him right so you know there's that co entire and like i'm very fascinated by like conversation and ranvier likes to say that i'm very obsessed with words but like i i really like well written conversation and like does that uh there's this interplay that happens in that car where he's uh driving having uh his house has drowned literally the day before and she's just like wow i'm so happy it's rain the sky has cleared up like so much and you know that is such a natural kind of conversation to have that you don't think about it twice but you don't realize that like on the other end like and people are actually losing people are losing their homes


and people are actually losing people are losing their homes people are losing their livelihood and that is honestly what made me like really uncomfortable because like i saw myself in that rich valley yes so i was just like oh [ __ ] like what am i doing like you know in my life that like to the people who are like working for me so like parasite actually really made me uncomfortable but it was like an entertaining move yeah like i loved it like frame for frame like i was booked you know the one thing with uh koreans generally with what i've figured after working with a few of them is that they're very capitalistic and whenever they build anything it could be a film it could be a product they're thinking of the world as their market therefore they will like twist and turn their product or film to suit the world and that's what really worked for them really don't you think it would be the other way around where they're just making their own thing and people are ending


they're just making their own thing and people are ending up relating to it i think that's more the japanese because the japanese are doing things for the japanese the japanese don't care about like what americans have to say about them and what which audience in india likes them but the koreans don't look at how much promotion the korean properties are getting here like and also i think smart on the on the squid game produces to include an indian or pakistani character yeah i mean i'm sure someone's studying some data on some numbers saying oh we got a lot of viewers from india so let's put a brown person in also that uh the korean push is not only happening in terms of like uh content that's going out the korean push is happening on all fronts because also no no like not just entertainment right like so it's happening in food also so like uh because i work in the food industry like i'm seeing the sudden influx of like korean recipes like the


the sudden influx of like korean recipes like the korean consulate clause at one point sponsoring like doing a lot of people with them we work with a lot of multiple influencers correct so they were also reaching out to people because they want to get that kind of gen z market and the genji market is very into this korean like we obviously because we grew up primarily with like american pop culture when we were growing up we watched like all the looney tunes cartoons and warner brothers and whatever right so then our leaning is more naturally towards the west in terms of the content that we now consume but like all of these kids they've kind of grown up with this content having an even like scale in terms of where it can be like watched right so i feel like a lot of like every gen z person that i have met these days through my job whatever someone somewhere is into some kind of like korean culture japanese culture or something from the east and the japanese culture was


or something from the east and the japanese culture was obviously there even when we were young but like it wasn't that it wasn't mainstream we had a channel called animax correct correct and now it's just like it's completely mainstream right to like enjoy anime although it comes up in conversation like you go to a party and someone goes like what anime are you watching and i'm like now this is a thing like one more thing yeah that i know this anime conversation we have someone called banjo is a massive but i think korea's the third largest of fourth largest gdp in the world and i'll tell you a fascinating thing about korea when we worked with some people from this big korean brand we were working with um i had like deep conversation with some of them and i asked them that how were your parents childhoods and they said that there was nothing they grew up in villages i believe korea got its independence around the time india got it a little bit after that