my shows I would have like 30 different ideas in one show yeah and I realized that you know I was doing 30 different ideas but there were other people who are taking my one idea and building empires and businesses out for themselves and I decided that's when I realized that I needed to slow down I needed to be able to put this out in a way that was digestible and I could take ownership of it so they say that the curse of creativity is being slightly ungrounded in terms of if you're born with a lot of creativity you're also born with a slight lack of stability right I see stability is good because it keeps that h of learning it allows you to build but you don't have you know you don't have to go over the top I mean I don't believe in this fantasy idea of you know you need to take drugs to be creative you know you don't have to be wallowing in drugs all the time to be create this kind of creative person


the time to be create this kind of creative person I never felt the need for that in my life ever Bert is kept a hunger on I mean for me it's what are the new ideas that are firing my brain you know what is the new is the hunger to learn that really keeps firing and and I think that's what careers are about I mean for creative people also you can be a straightjacket straightjacket person but you can be terribly terribly creative yeah in what do you think and you know a lot of research shows that you need to be a little crazy to survive odd I would twist seals song and I say you need to be a little crazy to be creative the craziness comes not from your demeanor or your personality the craziness comes craziness comes from your hunger to learn more yeah and sometimes people don't see that what's up couriers because you're someone who's worked in multiple industries right what what subcarriers I think relationships and how you deal with


subcarriers I think relationships and how you deal with no I mean not personal intimate are not family relationships but I think interpersonal relationships is really important how you deal with the other person as your co-workers yeah and I think that you know failing is not a bad thing in life you know as long as you learn from it yeah and no we only hear about the success story we don't hear about failures but you know big people have also failed in life you know Steve Jobs were thrown out over the job that he could that he created but he came back to be successful and there are many stories like that there are great people who have done great stuff and looking down upon failure is a is probably not the right thing that we have learnt now that is not the right thing it is something this is a part of the journey because you don't know the downsides of everything you learn a lot from it so it's important you know to to learn from your failings and grow from it yeah you know you're


failings and grow from it yeah you know you're also someone who's spoken to Jeff Bezos like add that kind of a leadership position at Amazon right what's it like hanging out with him what made him the world's richest person and what's his mentality that's trickle down all the leaders of the Amazon organization I think I mean I will qualify it by a little a little story of my interview and I interviewed with many people in Amazon including the global expansion head and people in the US and teams across and you know peep in finally I was asked so you know you're a famous designer you design for mr. Bachchan Bollywood Shahrukh everyone you've done this fashion film why do you want why would you want to work with Amazon you know I think my my answer then really was qualifies what he was saying is what that organization believes in was as a creator director I I was I told him how many people get a chance to change the way a billion people live yeah


to change the way a billion people live yeah it's the perspective of your job is the vision that you have for the role that you are playing in that company always have a large vision vision beyond what most people cannot comprehend you know and that's what really is Amazon Amazon is this single person's vision along working of course along the working with the whole team of people over many years or having a vision that was 20 years long yeah but working at it every day with processes structure analysis everything in place you know in Amazon there's a great saying it's always day one Wow yeah day one and we still live day one every day yeah and and I think that that is the greatness of that organization that it is mentee he had a vision which started from a book doing him to such a large place today in the world for what was what book was selling books basically oh okay Amazon began as a books a book company right so and that and you can see that creativity you can see that energy


you can see that creativity you can see that energy amongst the team members everyone in the team is as energized when they think talk about stuff like this but on a human level what was in Jeff Bezos that took him that fight was the same thing nobody I I think it was won the vision of course and the fact that you know there was value for people who worked with him sharing an understanding value and building good structure where a sense of value was appreciated by everybody and and the very fact that everybody had a voice hmm and it would be heard you know from the lowest in the team to the highest in the team this is something you know great about Amazon is if somebody even at the lowest level asks you a question you're obliged to answer and answer with respect mmm you know you cannot just say okay shoo this is my aunts and just go you need to qualify everything you did you answer and I have learnt a lot being there I have learned a lot being there


lot being there I have learned a lot being there understanding the thought process and the openness then the organization is doing so yeah I mean I think that's what's trickle down from him it was from whatever you've told me about him I feel like even he's that kind of guy who takes opinions who takes other people's opinions despite being the world's richest person right and I think that's what's a great attribute to have as a person what's it like being the same room as a meze like a rapid thing go you know I I think he's like I don't ordinarily like you and me talking understanding probing and getting a better understanding of the place that's I mean um that's what like any other person doesn't want to get even richer like is that I don't I think he wants to do more I mean richer is what is money at some point you know I just after a certain point I think the like I come back to the fact that it's hungry to do more


to the fact that it's hungry to do more mmm which is amazing that's crazy you have no competition you have only your own glass ceiling to break right so how do you keep stay motivated at that level hunger to do stuff Wow without any reference for absolutely Oh mr. nariño Kumar thank you again lovely joke to you yeah I've learned a lot from you endo hopefully you'll be a better man seriously I mean like talking to you sometimes gets a little heavy in a very positive way so I always I would say that comes with age ya know where we're hungry for this kind of information these kind of experiences because young people are aging faster than they used to before and I think that's re growing up hahaha I think it's one ageing and growing up is one of the most beautiful things and this looking to someone who's been there done it and is doing it still and is continuously growing is one of the best aspects of growing up I mean I learn every day


of growing up I mean I learn every day so for me this is learning also yeah so anyway guys I'm gonna be linking nice handles down below so make sure you check it out in the description box make sure you give them a follow and make sure you give this episode and we show a like share it with your friends and until next time from mrs. Murray in the Kumar well done thank you so much and pleasure being here likewise I mean pleasure being on my own show from McCann 100 we will see you later from the Ranbir show oh this is the renovation show yes is that what I was talking cancel everything delete delete delete thank you


welcome to the runway show India's smartest podcast with this podcast I've got three goals the first goal is to constantly add a lot of information to your mind through these conversations the second goal is to add a lot of inspiration to your heart to get you fired up and the third goal is to bring you perspective I wanna bring you conversations that you wouldn't have in your regular day-to-day life so in this episode we've got Kyle joy show he's the first vegan to ever climb Mount Everest I call him India's vegetarian superhero he's also one of India's most famous Mountaineers and he's got some of the most amazing breathtaking exciting stories that you will ever come across in your life so through the podcast I've tried kind of digging out the best of the best from his stories all his near-death experiences all his encounters with that you know how he's seen people near him die how we seen a lot of dead bodies on all his adventures it's a very


bodies on all his adventures it's a very kind of dark but interesting podcast I hope you'll enjoy it and I know that by the end of this podcast you're gonna be fired up enough to go and chase your own dreams this guy's story is extremely beautiful and this guy's words are extremely exciting and heartfelt and engineer turned Mountaineer Quinto joy show enjoy yourself the runway show brings you a very adventurous episode we've got India's most famous Mountaineer the king of the mountains in India mr kwinto joy she'll really really glad to be her own beer and happy to be your and share my story with you yeah another interesting bit on Cantrell is that he's the first vegan who scaled Mount Everest and twice not just once crazy and you're someone who really promotes the concept of vegetarianism the concept of veganism in this country in fact man after and vegetarian after conversation that I had with you as a not immediately after you one of the


you as a not immediately after you one of the factors out of many but talking to you about how vegetarianism is affected your body your stamina really got me thinking got me reconsidering my non-vegetarian habits we get to that later but I want to get to the engineering vibe first right you're an engineer just like I am I am an engineer and frankly speaking engineering is or changed my life and it put me that it put me a lot of discipline and rigor in my life but also I had a lot of fun during those 4 yrs bunking the college and coming always in the blacklist and not showing up for the practicals and always being you know like screwed for the why was it was great you know four years of life that I had and it's it's also sort of made me the person who I am today so really you know amazing for yours nice so bro basically you did your engineering you went for MS you worked you realize that maybe you know


for MS you worked you realize that maybe you know life can bring you back to India you came back here and then was mountaineering a part of your plans yar may eight Baba Tonga Polito okay look I am a Gujarati imma catchy huh Vaishali communities had be longer down or total 18,000 punished Ollie's a pure world me huh key cine add stock egg floor big lightning key hahaha he gave my essay background sound jaha kitchenette floor beanie climbed here plus me 110 kilos cot oh yeah back when I when I was you know an engineer and I was working for a software company yeah so mountaineering to tiny key CB plans me yeah it was just by chance and this was a trip that my wife and I took to Shimla and all we wanted to do in that trip was chemists know they kannada dipped in apne puri life may snow got an idea or many be solvers of snow cottage tiara so he said oh yeah let's go


cottage tiara so he said oh yeah let's go to Shimla and we went in the winters thinking you see some snow for the first five six days we saw nothing so we were really disappointed phenomena bollocks always snow they forget the Ignite so seventh day we go to this place called närcon de some about 80 kilometers on the hindustan Tibet highway we reached in our Conda and there's snow all around us so I'm never a taxi driver Google of hims no dick taken in yet soon a so the taxi driver said let's go to this peak called ha to peak we can drive to the top and you will see some snow there we drive and about a kilometer into the drive there's about one and a half feet of snow Wow so I'm on a taxi driver old up kill Kara so both of us going to snow enjoy our time and then I don't know what happens but I tell dipti that you are we are enjoying so much why don't


you are we are enjoying so much why don't we go a little further so then we go hiking and about four hours later you are standing on top of how to peak and if you ask me one instant that changed my entire life changed the direction of my life it has to be when I reach the top you know kabhi kabhi I saw Jota okay life may some motors out there and for me it was like the state of mind I I was not existing in the future I was not living in the mistakes of past that present moment came into extreme focus and I was able to live it I was so happy I felt truly alive and who still my nap Ngapuhi bola I didn't want to climb mountains I just said that I wanted to achieve that state of mind over and over and over again that feeling meditative state of that meditative state of mind - - ojr I make her Sangha next didn't Jobim a coding Kanazawa job pay me as I feel


a coding Kanazawa job pay me as I feel Ohana valla next in jockey my name is Rocco DeLuca and we're feeling I Anika baby so I'm like who Gary why is this happening so a month later I signed up for a weekend hike to Himalayas again took a flight to the Hara Doon a shared car to the base village and I hiked the moment I reached the top of that mountain exactly the same state of mind and I was able to achieve it so I said Basia Oba calling him eras in the Iike and I have to figure out give me a call in go Cassie pursue Carnival oh and that's how the journey sort of started how does someone begin this journey in mountaineering like what is the first step is the same course you take they go I don't know engineer here and engineer subsea best catch he's got a reverse engineering I heard he could be project leader reverse engineer cornerback Jang so I started reverse engineering


reverse engineer cornerback Jang so I started reverse engineering Everest okay reverse engineer Ghana and the first thing I realized is that I need to build skill and skill build the regular image of course karna padega yes I'm in general not only engineering here similarly other Mooji mountaineering garnered huge amount in rinkeby course karappa Rio so first up I sign for up signed up for a course and I've went to Chile which has the third-largest ice cap in the world and that is where I actually did my mountaineering course and from there on I sort of started getting into two most important things an expedition leader of mine told me kun told to climb to the top of the world you need a top of the world mind and top of the world body so Mira la catégorie top of the world mind or body dunno banana or top of the world body to burn jaga cookie physical fitness car blueprint a kahin neither youtube pepper layer key she says see clear as long as you do


key she says see clear as long as you do physical fitness regimens with discipline and consistency over a period of few years you will achieve it but mind was a completely different ballgame there was frankly speaking no blueprint at all so journey para allá gita my inca but the whole idea was to build the skill to have the trading to do the hard work to build the experience to build that mindset and finally go and climb everest after that Goren so a lot of people who actually take up mountaineering they choose to do everest very early on in their mountaineering journey that's a revolt I'm not very familiar and that's supposed to be a big mistake because you're supposed to climb a lot of other mountains before you start climbing Mount Everest see to me it's like kr Oh same old suddenly Pilate then would K Jackie 100 metres Carre's 2g Taniya right to build a new Seine bolt it took 20 years to build there - same born yeah


took 20 years to build there - same born yeah and so many many small milestones in between so if you are just waking up from a couch one day and saying care of magic everest I'd never alone so er could marry the backpal anybody to me it was very clear that this this was at least a three to five year project once I build solid physical fitness and then the idea was to gain so much experience and experience meth lab exam varied experience up and theorem a climb cardio imagine Karaka ik hot 2d or a pair to do about Jessica I'm groggy mclubbe a can see up cannot Bunyan hae a comes up kosub kuch kar na aana say pura other freezing environment atop castle I'm going to multiple kinds of experience mucho mere a body or mind dunno pitch is a and once I got that level of experience or a thought I had I would be ready to climb Everest so it is not just you wake up one day and say it's all over


you wake up one day and say it's all over baby rest Eliza it's a journey or wash me up coffee sorry cheese a carnie Oh also a lot of people died by climbing Mount Everest and these difficult mountains like so what happens there how do people actually die that's what I want to ask you see about 300 odd people have died climbing Everest in the last 75 years but more than that thousands of people have gotten injured where they have lost their fingers where they have lost their toes and so many things have happened because of what my little Mount Everest 29,000 feet pear agar many up go a bee-like amount of risk a top pair of deer you will die within five minutes simply there is not enough air pressure consequently not enough oxygen which means your organs will start shutting down you will have a massive heart attack you will end up dying so Mount Everest has to be climbed in a very gradual fashion but that said it I


a very gradual fashion but that said it I will tell you an example 2014 may I climbed a mountain called Manas loop and there was this German Mountaineer Joni charity work he got into some trouble now the trouble was that he fell into hypothermia and hypoxia which is hypothermia is mother eaten embodiment and illogical cold temperature suddenly drop on us arose other and hypoxia is my brain Co oxygen in Himmel dry so up temperature her - Sally's degree he bandha Bonneville a jacket panky better for open a copper nickel case of copper day fake cried as if he is sitting on a beach through sky Sherpa news cupola as somewhat go to Mars Agra Mary be zindagi kazama's I get a really say he's actually punching the Sherpa she's completely lost it and the next step of this is death luckily we were able to send an SOS fine finally get a Sherpa team in place who went and rescued this guy got


in place who went and rescued this guy got a helicopter at almost 7,000 meters put him on the helicopter he was garden - Cartman do but scale 100 percent were never a saw Banda so people simply don't realise get kya hota a pie seller feed pipe Kadima come in a garage yeah that's what I've heard key you know you don't get enough blood supply you don't get enough oxygen to your brain so you become a little bit crazy like for lack of a better word is that true like what happens to your brain when you're like climbing at that level see essentially with lack of oxygen your brain will be so impaired that you will not be able to think through straight like like a drunk little bit drunk it's not like drunk it's just that maybe drunk is the wrong word maybe you are on a joint or something I don't know how do I describe it yeah it's like just wearing your boots can become like a half


just wearing your boots can become like a half an hour thing oh wow a boots over my sea level beep and around you 30 seconds lugging it but hey boot was a panderer B's purchase minute lover 28,000 feet prepare Nikoli your brain is struggling your body struggling everything every single move much bigger ooh you are like getting tired and tired and tired but can you explain so suppose you are tying your boots what's going on in your head like you're putting on your boots or mclubbe guess I got some to my ex sentence would wrong or Oh sentence here as it up on shore my sentence booyah Wow Kabul net so much love like National Geographic Nikkei B key at attest donate them simple sentence let's say a fox goes to a hill and goes this SSO Chiara base cams a radio man $20,000 Kleinberg Obul Reddy beat Carnegie Boras a people who are not able to be PD on 25% of the sentence damn so that's


PD on 25% of the sentence damn so that's what's happening you are not even remembering that you have to wear your shoes you are like cat Kaka Roma Wow sometimes it's that bad and in that state of mind you're supposed to climb up hill you are supposed to climb up hill and you are supposed to climb over some seriously treacherous terrain some very very tricky terrain like what do you mean like for example just say Tibet side may acre area that is cobalt the second step so much you know three floors car building it but Sarah Rock hair or 90-degree go rock your up ke saamne Cara and this comes at twenty thousand seven hundred feet Wow now how are you you look at the rock and you're like make a car wrong with a boggle new gear let's just go home yeah that's like the first thing that comes to our mind yeah and then it's like no man this is the biggest dream of my life I've worked so hard for it let's


my life I've worked so hard for it let's keep going let's put one step in front of another we'll make it to the top so da da da you just sort of chug along you mentally just dig in and you make it to the top Wow so do you you know okay so when I go for these outdoorsy events a it's even for like a group hike or you know if I go for a trek near Bombay also a lot of the people who join on trick our nature levels and natal hours have like this little you know different thing about them they're more relaxed people that caramel so I'm sure even with the people who climb these mountains with you you're seeing something different in their personality something that's very common and all these crazy people for lack of a better word what is that common thing er I think I first of all as you rightly pointed out that they are all crazy you got some crazy near the better every slam car anymore okay hundred person


better every slam car anymore okay hundred person that is your insanity oh no buzzer ooh da Everest I'm gonna kill you but everyone is like headstrong determined they are just determined they just want to get to the top and sometimes it can be good because then you know it shows in their training and how well prepared they are but sometimes it can be bad because they're at 28,500 feet they're dying but they still want to get to the shalini or I want to kill it and then here Jonna Jonna who's because I like for example Mary Assad rafita now Rafiq is a policeman from Maharashtra he had already attempted climbing Everest twice and failed attempting climbing twice a p3 Bartha AB and a cup air may already frostbite on a shoe do okay see when it's super cold and lack of oxygen your extremities of body don't receive that oxygen because your brain is very smart it knows that other extremities delegate or make a problem you never


other extremities delegate or make a problem you never lose a finger tip you can yeah and you'd be fine so it stops the oxygen to those extremities W bundage a extremities no oxygen on a buns okay frostbite is setting in slowly because of the cold I am assuming he already knows that this is happening but the goal is so overpowering the summit is so overpowering then he makes a call that at a coma we shall again Autocode problem knee mera summit Hosea Joel Oh Mary Beth who to correct the time so no much of bold Reiki are he's not able to climb he cannot climb it is impossible for him to climb he saying at least i'll you know silence those people hmm he makes it to the top but unfortunately loses four fingers oh God so it's tricky you know then it's a thin line between insanity obsession and then also your life on the line so how do you deal with that it is super important bro so this whole


with that it is super important bro so this whole training thing for climbing Everest physical and Mendel could you take us through the draining regime like what y'all supposed to do see in terms of the physical fitness training for me it was divided into two portions mainly one was building superior cardiovascular endurance and second was building enough strength in my body to complement the cardiovascular endurance that I was building and cardiovascular endurance is anything an activity like running or it could be cycling her to be stair climbing it could be hiking whatever you decide to be stamina build Colonel stamina build endurance build her model up your muscles should be able to last long-term I say knee get to me punch it up tomorrow to match our abdomen and so who sends me I tell people that in do something that is sustainable for you over a long period of time I got to me hiking at select Auto hiking go to my cycling a Choctaw vocaroo for me particularly


my cycling a Choctaw vocaroo for me particularly hiking was my favorite activity so my work my VA is divided into four hikes a week these will be three hikes on a weekday and one hike on a weekend the weekday hikes are done at a very high heart rate the weekend hikes are done which are longer but at a very low heart rate it's just to work different things and to get different level of endurance Goran so as in you change up your exercise plan to change up your heart rate and then sustain that right Goran and strength training is too regular I just do body weight strength training which is very simple exercises like push-ups pull-ups planks lunges very fundamental exercises and very simple exercises and then variations in them that's what gives me my strength and then as I was reverse engineering Everest I saw a pattern amongst the most successful climbers on Everest and that pattern emerged is that every good solid climb bar had a resting heart rate of less than 40


bar had a resting heart rate of less than 40 okay now I looked at my resting heart rate in 2012 and it was about 68 so I said muj at 28 beat snitches Anna and it's a huge humongous task so I quickly realized that if I do hit training which is high-intensity interval training then I will be able to lower my resting heart rate so over a period of two years I did a lot of hit and before I went to Everest in 2014 for my first attempt on my resting heart rate was about 44 so that was again very disciplined and very consistent training over a period of yours I say anytime I certainly didn't sweet hollowmade addressing hundred cambogia mm-hmm I so who tani God bro so all this physical fitness that you gain from training for Everest what does it do for your daily life do you feel it when you feel more generative and like what happens in your brain in your body see Mira daily life better to put it and


body see Mira daily life better to put it and mountains may be better that way being fate is always great in the mountains but even when I am at home being fit the great thing is that you don't feel lethargic during the day mmm no is high energy and you are able to deal with stress better cooky whenever you walk out dopamine gets generated and that helps you deal with stress a lot better anything it's dupa dupa man i don't know what it is which is mean and there are the hormones like oxytocin serotonin oh yeah but mainly dopamine yeah so for me I think the being like working out and staying healthy is super important Yuki's cottage-cheese okay like I want to really lead a good healthy life into my old age also Adam I made a family made a cow made a community made a account gujaratis may take down diabetes hypertension people dying of heart attacks at 30 people dying of heart attacks at 40 so we are I don't want to you


at 40 so we are I don't want to you know fall into that I want to lead a good healthy life and enjoy my life so yeah yeah wanna talk about her diet now man like how are you backing all up how are you backing up all this physical training so I am a vegan as you mentioned in the beginning and I have been a vegan for 17 years and for the first initial seven eight years of my life I was a very junk food vegan pizza Millia Burger Millia Joe Miller pani puri is a BHEL Puri chart so we can he actually at the end of the day if you are just making sure that the right ingredients are there yeah Tom I was up Kidada and then I started training for Everest and the first thing I realized is that I was not recovering at all from my training Kabhi Kabhi a difficult workout key or a glitch Arjun talk I am just smashed so then I thought I have a problem in my form so I quickly


I have a problem in my form so I quickly changed my form and made the form correct and I saw that it's same thing is happening I changed my hydration strategy I changed my sleep I manage my stress level sub couch gear but made a recovery avi beanie hooray so then I start to this nutritionist friend in the US and said you know can you help me out with diet she looked at my diet and she said my god I no wonder you are not recovering at all so Namur gonna switch to a cleaner healthier diet so focus on eating more vegetables focus on eating more fruits more legumes mclubbe Deloria sub connoisseur ooh karo fruits connoisseur record in burma vegetables on a less oil less sugar less white sugar to be clear to your audience so start eating a healthier diet and possib and make sure that you're hitting your protein goals for the day how the protein do you get in see her idea was it as an endurance athlete you at least


idea was it as an endurance athlete you at least need one gram of protein per your body weight and my body weight at that time was approximately after working out for 3-4 years about eighty-five or something so I thought I have to at least hit 75 80 grams of protein a day whatever happens that's actually good amount of protein man for any human yeah so I thought k1 sup smartly you're gonna make how are those who spin who's leveled up on Zhang so then I started following the diet and in about three or four weeks I started realizing that now I'm recovering better that I was able to recover faster I was able to go the next day work out harder and the recovery just improved as the time went by better energy levels better energy levels and like so kiyotaka sonya armor joao pessoa acai Mirada so of course the nutrition piece help i'm pretty short changing the form the stress levels the hydration everything it was all together but i think good solid nutrition is very very


together but i think good solid nutrition is very very important very thoughtful smart nutrition is very important so do you also consume any like plant-based protein shakes or anything like that oh not like i don't consume a typical protein shake but there is this company that makes meals shakes okay it's a Bangalore based company and so meal shake a site like a complete meal so it has a nice carbs fats and proteins and it has like 25 grams of protein in a shake nice so sometimes I will have that sometimes I'm guessing it's like derived from brown rice and peas protein the proteins are derived from vite Bonnie let's and oats oh wow and then there are seeds inside them nice so it's like a very very wide profile of protein so something which is more similar to like a profile of eggs or even meat nice so let's come back to mountaineering bro you spoke about the physical aspect of it the vegetarianism I'm sure your veganism actually helps you when you're climbing because


actually helps you when you're climbing because of your stamina levels and all that but let's talk about something more general the mental aspect of this whole game like you said that you have to mentally train yourself in order to climb what's that about right so as I said that one aspect is to building a top of the world mind as well now when I started out in the journey one of the one of the first big hurdles I had was when I was an eighth standard I was at this kid's camp and I was rock climbing and I had a major fall in that climbing and I almost nearly died in that climbing accident so there was this this was in Panvel and there was this thing called wizkid scamp and you were young and people used to go to these scams and like one of the instructors like just saved me it's like a before I was hitting the ground oh you know Bollywood movie Madonna Hiroaki batalla de si muy Battaglia and


Hiroaki batalla de si muy Battaglia and thankfully I only got hurt on my back and nothing really more happened but those really it stayed in my subconscious hmmm that near-death experience and as soon as I decided that I wanted to climb Everest and I signed up for this mountaineering course I'm like how am I going to do this now I have this fear of heights I have this fear of hanging on a wall I have fear of seeing down have all these fears however I going to climb this mountain so that was like the first hurdle the first mental hurdle I had to sort of overcome and I remember I was climbing this wall so I went up fine it was a 200 feet rock wall and then as soon as I had to go down I sort of started panicking because of those visions coming back to me so I asked my instructor can I go down some other way he's like not a chance you have to go down here and you


a chance you have to go down here and you have to go down with technique so then I start going down and I just was making mistake after mistake and that guy shouts from the top kuntala if you are not going to focus you are going to die and he just shouted that on and it's like sort of it hit me and that for one moment I just calm down and things just became crystal clear in that moment and then I was able to hear he said just put the foot 90 degrees on the wall and walk as if you would walk normally and I did that and I descended the 200 feet wall and I was down and that's the first time I realized how am I going to overcome my fear of heights or who overcome my fear of going down or up is that I know that that panic situation will happen I have to let it pass I have to focus I have to have a calm mind and then just follow the technique and that do this


and then just follow the technique and that do this over and over and over again so many times that if someone wakes me up from the sleep I should still be able to do that without now it should become second nature to me is what I'm trying to say and that's what I did over the next few years this was of course one second was I quickly realized that pushing myself physically was giving me a mental edge like for example let's say typical workout for me sometimes would be that I would do full hundred burpees and these these hundred burpees have to be done like within 13 or 14 minutes so I would do the 100 burpees and you must have done burpees you must have done these things after doing hundred burpees it just felt as if I was gonna pass out and in that state I would sit down and say ten more let's push and then you do the ten more and so even though your body does not have mental you are able to push through and then through


mental you are able to push through and then through this I was able to build sort of a mental edge I would do this in every workout I got my 300 floors up and down climbed around so 300 floors up and down climbing about gonna be purchase floor or climb karna kuch bhi hota kaha say be Niccolo energy yeah so doing this constantly sort of gave me a mental edge hundred percent bro and then third and the last thing was I realized quickly while on the mountain expeditions is that I quickly got homesick I'm very attached to my family especially my father mother and even my wife toka Bhima gaya so October 2013 ki baate expedition Megha first mountain summit oh yeah and I was like in super shape I was like literally running to the top coming back down and then home homesickness struck me I went to the expedition leader and said you know this other mountain you are climbing the snow slope looks avalanche II and it looks very unsafe


snow slope looks avalanche II and it looks very unsafe Diwali is coming I want to go home I abandoned the expedition does not pay like $7,000 abandon the expedition went home the team submitted the mountain next day very safely there was no avalanche risk of course I was just making up an excuse when I came home I realized agar Asahi attitude Roja to memory Russian he said never alone so then this was sometime in 2013 I decided to like on purpose detach myself from my family from my friends and from my extended Network as well to my same car Meera Tata but I practically had no relationship with anyone in my home and my wife and my parents understood because he realized this was the biggest dream of my life climbing Everest and my friends I guess understood they always missed me they I never showed up anywhere I didn't go to any functions I didn't go anywhere but from 2013 till 2016 until I made it to the top my life was


until I made it to the top my life was Everest Everest and Everest and focusing to such a level that I could go back go to the top and back down without even a scratch or a sunburn so that's the sort of three aspects that I did in my mental training there's no blueprint everyone will have their own personal journeys to achieving mental fitness this was my journey someone else may have a completely different journey yeah bro have you seen people getting affected badly because of a lack of mental fitness while like climbing the big time like yoga big-time like shallow homesickness ki baat karta those also Lama there is this dentist from UK who makes it to Everest base camp it's his third attempt at climbing Everest those are thus Barack Oscar Thames cancel oh yeah now third time it's not a soccer soccer ki he's got a satellite phone with him which has about seven fifty dollars in it he's calling his wife every day so one day he comes and tells


wife every day so one day he comes and tells me as many merry wife go phone kiya or many push me up dick third song gaya to pagal oh yeah gasps stop doing this nonsense focus on the climb focus on the stuff that is matters to us get to the top seize it - Tamara picnic are Elena - Cory Jackie you will not believe on May 15 for the summit push he went like thousand feet inside dice fault this is just the first hurdle this is like not even 5% of the claim what do you mean thousand feet inside the eyes the first step to climbing Mount Everest is going from base camp - camp 1 and it goes through a section called Khumbu Icefall which is one of the most treacherous sections 50% of all deaths have happened there so he goes about thousand feet into that section and then just he sits at some place and he sobs like crazy he tells his share pack a mucho helicopter ether


he tells his share pack a mucho helicopter ether geyser reach a year which are big a big Haryana he literally got a helicopter inside the Icefall he abandoned his climb went to Kathmandu directly and he just couldn't climb he just like lost my wallet to t3 para so it's you have to be mentally super fit like like Superman level fitness I've got to physical fitness tomorrow ooh nice be sir so at one point charge I go but I got to Maura mental Fitness rah become a it need panda lucky enought I saw their feet but it neat and Alexei and I'm like the mock Anderson deluxe a hot pair coatsy demamp can the Lochte it's like you are like to make is in a body refrigerator match ARPA danger of the end just freezing your ass you are miserable you are suffering all the time what's up this is not fun when you are climbing mountains people like you know photo the Clea submit car those cool photos


you know photo the Clea submit car those cool photos take me home climb cut any videos lately a and they're like wow this is so amazing just come once and you will realize how much misery and suffering it is it is only fun when you go back home and I chuckle I'm girly or hot pair to Taney a MMR on you that's when it's fun has anyone ever died with you oh no one on my teams have ever died but on the mana slow climb there was a section where I was between cam 3 and camp for where we had heard about a Japanese Mountaineer who had died two or three days ago I was hanging off this wall which was 70 degrees angle pay and don't believe Nicaragua met Jesse again honest aruki a new persona was the idea please don't come and ugly a gigantic maha-rathah and they brought a dead body down which was right next to my legs for like 15 minutes oh come on a body may would cease


15 minutes oh come on a body may would cease climber cousin it those in police on a husky dead body Marat saamne hair first time Mira experienced Tom and Escobar doors on a tram in a lewd circus amid Kia it load says the fourth highest mountain of the world at 28,000 feet Charlie's feet below the summit there is a big rock face that you have to finally climb to get to the top Jessi rock face whip on China as I saw on my right there is this guy sitting a Sager K and J say my name and a Camus dahana to pathogen of the skeleton a posh uberaba Banda bees but she's also very better much love it me see them wouldn't be as a good forecast man focus mistake coronal merely body there a poly Reiki pon toppa posture Nick Laurie there's a doobie hood so not that people have died on my team but like I have had my share of dead bodies that


like I have had my share of dead bodies that I've seen on the way this is also also this very cool story or told me once I mean it's not cool it's a little dark but this one time where you almost had like I was in near-death experience but at Everest base camp there was a bit of an accident and you had to do something very crazy so if you couldn't just tell the viewers the story so this was in April 2015 and I was on my second attempt to climb Mount Everest and from Everest base camp ponch guy is here now 25th April we were all sitting in the dining tent early in the morning and all gathered in the tent and our seats started shaking I'm a California Mauro muchos Opelika truth quick because outta so I'm like telling everyone guys it's a North Korea it's an earthquake and this guy tells me the earthquakes in your mind and that can actually be true sometimes because you may think that something is


be true sometimes because you may think that something is happening but it's actually not happening but then of course the entire tent started shaking the table started shaking Reposado earthquake so we all ran out and we are standing on the glacier imagine you are standing on a gigantic 2 kilometer long glacier with about 1,200 people on it and that glacier swaying from one end to another as if you are standing on a jeweler a 7.9 magnitude earthquake hit Nepal the largest to hit in a century or a mockery now this earthquake also caused a gigantic avalanche to happen at the base camp in 75 years no avalanche has even come close to the base camp that's how safe the base camp has been there's a video of this on YouTube right there is a video of this on you do but so yeah Avalanche Cassata when I was faced by this avalanche left of the sky say right of the sky the entire skies filled with this avalanche and in that


entire skies filled with this avalanche and in that moment a lot of people asked me catch a Drogheda magnet and so I tell everyone that I didn't think that I was going to die I was actually 100% certain that I was going to die so I narrowly escaped death that day but chubby Avalanche named a hit Kia okay but suddenly the entire atmosphere was filled with this avalanche so first I thought they are okay a bit um avalanche in the dope game are jangling but the protein feeds Nova body Cooper marjai on your Skanda the second about they got to arrow is no Haney no thin inch lower body Cooper but then I'm trying to breed like sassy knee go through your body under another panic aroma sigh disgustingly powerful Georgia ha Sam Pappas knee area as if kissing a plastic bag like a moped all your costume our try girl who died and then I'm struggling for breath and there is this German Mountaineer next to me


and there is this German Mountaineer next to me a guy named Yost caboose so he just opens his jacket and he says Quinton you can come inside my jacket and breathe so Jack have no goose gear to put suji near the demands early rather so went inside his jacket and I started breathing and of course I was able to breathe his jacket had those ambient pockets of air inside them so I was able to breathe in those ambient pockets and for the next two and a half minutes as the Avalons passed over us miss Mabry the corrado constantly what did the Ireland's do to the air or that the base camp seek a shower i ke sabhi Avalanche paths raha so it's almost as if Hanzo deodorant spray Curtis can work as a aerosol Jota to Sarah air may aerosol hogatha of men of a deodorant up Kanak Battaglia's hero will you be able to breathe in there you simply are not able to want


in there you simply are not able to want to breathe in that core so pure air diamond network via saga and you are trying hard and then ice particles are going in your lung so you are like more panicking because of that so luckily for that guys presence of mind frankly speaking Jimena pella breath lianna it almost felt like a new baby taking his first breath Tamala to meet was my rebirth that afternoon inside that guy's jacket and I'll always be thankful and grateful to him for rest of my life for saving my life Yuuki sa circumstances man admits of quickly done by Johnny Ola icy nickname I liked him I made a batch of all they give me ton but so and he had the presence of mind to tell me k boss made a jacket Magus Oslo so I crazy it was I escaped death that day and my Balu mana hemara say fifty feet dude X no hum tah just get ugly side effect tinta was way punch rock murky


side effect tinta was way punch rock murky because of that because of that avalanche 21 people died at the base camp hundred were injured there was a japanese couple dismissal a dica half to face missing the skin and bones but love it's any booty booty that has a log mariah injury and humus grass binya simply fifty feet by different stuff so just grateful and lucky that I'm alive and here to share my story bro what have you learned about death through all this like these experiences what what's your concept of death yeah good question but Pelham a death Achmed a family angles a beluga and mini family it's not shown on a death kibarim on Everest that they simply did not want me to go to climb Everest and so it took a lot of effort to convince them that let me go climb the mountain at the same time now that I have seen death up close so many times experiencing myself seeing the sheer past I seeing other climbers


seeing the sheer past I seeing other climbers die dead bodies aside me one thing I know is that death is a reality and death is a reality on the mountain and that I have accepted that fact and my job' 2014 min Nikola Nagar say to many many many many wife diptych Ebola look there is a small chance that I may not come home doesn't mean I have a death wish I am a very strong and a very good climber and a very risk-averse climber but there could be situations on the mountain that may not be under my control and I may die and I'm not afraid of that fact that became a MARSOC town but only in the situations where I'm that I'm not under my control doesn't mean I'm a jockey selfie his town can he be Cara okay boy you know I do crazy things I've become reckless no that's not who I am so in that sense I have accepted that that that death is a reality and that


accepted that that that death is a reality and that maybe mucha mountain by a Shakti here and I always tell my family that please may the body co-op us like energy try math karna because I died doing what I loved what I'm passionate about and and yeah no no no dramatic answers just the fact that I have accepted death that it's a reality of life and and it could even happen when you are walking on the road here in Mumbai so it should not fear of death should not stop you from following your dreams or following our passions however crazy those passions or dreams are yeah we we lead a very privileged life and if we are not living it to the fullest marry subsume life consult correct so agar hamari Paso opportunity here so please was go use Curro Curro dole OB knock hi PA Bennett chat carrot there and we should not be cribbing about our trivial problems of life it is how my thinking in life is on every single bro what's it


thinking in life is on every single bro what's it like at the top of Mount Everest what's it at top of the Mount Everest Joe be my first time top tip on China I have to tell you those 20 minutes that I spent on the top were the best 20 minutes of my entire life agar Kui Mucha Bolan okay Musa wapis and sulky journey like a whopper soir Jonna Padilla so Mucha beast minute milling my ready room correctly or easily met do free bar Gaia unfortunately the three bar mucho experienced Mahima Raja Muda Pelle Burma nada but the view is absolutely unparalleled MATLAB tomb top supported duniya day except o essa' feeling it but even more than that imagine achieving the biggest dream of your life something everyone said was impossible something you thought was impossible but he was still able to go through the journey pull it off get to the top it was an insane feeling and standing there I could see all the way into India the fourth


I could see all the way into India the fourth highest mountain the third highest mountain the world kanchenjunga crystal clear blue guys submit pay is Sal - it's a traffic jam de but shall be met top upon Chadha those are salami there were like three four people on the top so I had the whole top to myself just sitting there soaking in the immense beauty I have no words frankly speaking make it na me Bo Luke it may be photo the house Oh many experience Kyodai kana it is experience Karnas a ruby toe up cupa-hr go go cow jota when you reach the top of your dreams the way you feel is how I felt when I was on the top beautiful row that was very inspiring Kunal joy sure thank you brother we will do that yeah thank you bro this was genuinely very very inspiring of course guys I'm gonna be linking all of Kunduz handles down below make sure you check it out this is actually just the tip of


check it out this is actually just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to all the knowledge and all the experience that this man has so I'm sure we gonna be doing more than meteor episodes with you by more than happy to come back I hope you had fun on this episode I had okay cool so until I sank my some console and ran we will see you later


imagine starting your entrepreneurial journey while you're in college when you're not in the best phase of mental health when you're not sure of yourself when you're not sure of how the world works that's the story of supriya paul from josh talks so many of us know about the joe talks youtube channels not too many of us know about the stories behind what it took to create josh an organization whose motto is all about helping india evolve into the next better more elevated version of itself this is supriya paul's story this is supriya paul's inner core full of leadership full of entrepreneurship full of inspiration brought to you on the runway show right under the podcast i'll be linking her book i'll be linking the joe talks youtube channels and i'll be linking products from the company that i've become an investor in that's ready set jet a company created by women for women do check out the top notch cosmetics products the top-notch skincare products they're


notch cosmetics products the top-notch skincare products they're also founded by a very inspirational woman who will have on the show soon shalani vadhera but for now let's talk about this inspirational woman supriya paul she's on the runway show [Music] something of all of joe fame some of the most fun conversations uh always happen when i speak to you you've built out one of the most massive content companies in india today you're writing you've written your first book that's coming out uh so many questions for you whether it's about women's entrepreneurship whether it's about content entrepreneurship whether it's about mentality or whether it's just about great 90s tv shows i'm going to be speaking to you awesome welcome to the runway show thank you so much i'm super excited and this has been pending for so long that like i'm so excited to start yeah i feel people have no idea about the kind of insights you have i have somewhat of an idea because we have a common friend


somewhat of an idea because we have a common friend manish yeah so uh he's he's told me a lot about you over the years but i'm gonna take you back to the time where all this started which is college for you yeah uh showbit your co-founder and you were together in college and that's why i thought of the josh talks that the world knows off today yeah so um actually we were from different colleges we met through a mutual friend um and you know we couldn't have been more different like um i have come from a very traditional sort of an academic family and i grew up to top like my entire life was guiding me towards stopping academically getting into srcc that didn't happen i missed it by 0.25 and my college was sort of like this depressing phase where you know my existence was being questioned because 18 years of my life had now like led to this college that i didn't get into and because because you were in the second best one because i


because you were in the second best one because i was instead of like the best but yeah that speaks a lot of our education system and how we're brought he came from a very different background he dropped out of school to pursue sports um and he used to be like an international cyclist he did endurance cycling you know and and his world view was very very different from mine but i think what we shared was like the super uh common frustration that young people have so much potential but they don't do enough with their time and how can we basically utilize their potential to to the fullest how can we give them the direction to actually get up and do something with their lives and uh josh was a word that choba thought of it was already like sort of coined before we started and the idea was really simple that you know logo me to get up and do something um um what is josh talks doing today could you encapsulate everything that you all are doing in 2021 just so that


that you all are doing in 2021 just so that the listeners get some perspective i know the scale of what you're doing yeah i know that even the pandemic there was you know some tough situations you guys had to deal with yeah but where is josh going what is george doing because on the outside people know that okay there's like more than more than 10 youtube channels i believe you're not running yeah how many are there so i think total of them they're 11 or 12 but active ones are eight right now yeah okay cool but you all have gone down that path then you all have come out with like your own app there's just so many things you guys are doing like i feel it's a content case study anyone who wants to build a career in media wants to build a korean content they should study the josh talks journey yeah so i'm going to let you elaborate on what you all are doing now cool so i think when we look at josh right we don't


think when we look at josh right we don't look at it like a media company an events company an education company or a content company we just look at this phenomenon or a behavior that actually happens in our own lives and how can we recreate that behavior online and the behavior that you know we sort of talk about is this uh role model behavior or this behavior of exposure that you and i probably got by chance because of being in good families going to good schools getting the right kind of advice but someone who's a security guard son living in a tier 2 tier 3 or tier 4 town today does not have exposure to that kind of advice and we call it like the vadavaya phenomenon that anybody who goes from a super small town uh to a big city or you know makes it big always has this buddy that they attribute their success to someone who gave them the advice you know my cha cha my boy and i think that's sort of something that we are trying to


think that's sort of something that we are trying to replicate through our tools at josh that how can we emulate that in someone else's life who say 13 or 14 today so starting off with the right kind of role models or advice which josh talks does so as of today josh talks is you know a bouquet of youtube channels across seven different vernacular languages we do i think 75 million views 11.5 million subscribers and the goal over there is simply showcase who you can become showcase stories of people who look like you who talk like you and are giving you direction into a life that you wish you aspire to be in um and that's jewish talks and what we're sort of working on now is that once we've shown you that that dream right like once you know that okay i want to pursue this career i want to become a ranveer then how can we take you step by step through an approach and actually hand hold you through teaching you the right kind of skill


hold you through teaching you the right kind of skill sets finding you the the first job that you need getting you an internship and that's sort of the area of work that we are doing now which is basically through our josh skills app uh where we started off with teaching english which is one of the largest problems in the audience that we cater to and we are in that journey moving along and creating more products oh beautiful man like um i have this funda that i followed probably in my own life for the last couple of years which is higher exclusively from outside of mumbai um you know my talent is great but i feel they're a little soft and i want my boxers working okay i want my wrestlers working for me i want i want toughness which i find in the interiors of india i work with these kids extremely smart extremely tough take feedback well are ambitious the one thing i feel that they're not completely equipped with is uh communication skills and confidence these are


equipped with is uh communication skills and confidence these are like the two kind of areas that i feel lack and i have like some great interior in their talent in this office right now and all of them to a degree to a degree not not completely but to a degree and two different degrees they do lack in that sense of self-confidence that you will i be able to and if it's not self-confidence it's communication in public um and i feel like that's going to kind of change over the years josh talks is going to play a role there a lot of youtubers are going to play roles there we're kind of going to give confidence to the interiors of india and say that listen you have a brain you're probably way smarter than many many people in silicon valley in sweden in singapore but just go for it yeah you know again it's that phenomenon of you can do it yeah so i think you guys have taken that emotion and built out a product from that the product is the


built out a product from that the product is the emotion but digital yeah and i think you know like if you look back right it's not just a problem that this audience faces like whenever you question yourself when have you had self-doubt i mean i live in massive self-doubt um and insecurities right and at that point of time i look up to the people who i have in my life for guidance i look at content that i want to view which basically takes me out of the hole that probably i'm going into and it's a phase that everybody goes through whether it's you know not getting the marks that you have whether it's not um you know getting the college of your dreams not getting the first your first job which is ideal or you know just just feeling unsatisfied with your life and sort of like you know why do you even exist and at that point of time you you need inspiration and while we have like this uh great content bucket on youtube we have multiple creators and channels


content bucket on youtube we have multiple creators and channels when it comes to vernacular languages there is none there's only entertainment and there's a lot of masala and that's sort of what people do to kill time but if you look at the knowledge education mentorship space there is practically nothing and that's sort of the gap that we're trying to bridge what content have you turned to that's really picked you up out of dark places i'll tell you mine uh it's always been nike ads it's always been some inspirational movies if you saw the last dance featuring michael jordan i feel like that was one extended nike ad yeah but it's always these things like i i watch nike ads and sometimes if i'm in a low place in life i almost start crying so i wanna ask you as the entrepreneur are there any content pieces it could be movies and if it is movies please name some yeah what do you turn to to like really pick you up okay so i'm yeah you're gonna see my real


okay so i'm yeah you're gonna see my real bollywood side over here but uh basically like my all-time favorite movie is jojita and i think this is the movie that i've come and watched uh at home from school like many many times because at that point of time they were just dvd players and i had this like one dvd and my mom had cut off the internet and like tv connection because boards and i think that's the movie that i took to because you know like who doesn't want an underdog to win right like it's super relatable you you that movie echo is working hard and like not giving up and background not having anything on you and i think the second movie would probably be gladiator uh i'm a big big uh russell crow fan and i think that movie also touched me on other levels but but yeah there's this other russell crowe movie that someone just recommended recently someone from my team recommend recently i've seen it as a kid and it had messed me up you


as a kid and it had messed me up you shouldn't show kids it's called a beautiful mind yeah have you seen this yeah i do i do yeah i think a beautiful mind is also a great example of yeah probably you saw it when you were too young but i did at the right time so uh i think a beautiful mind is about a mathematician or a physicist i can't remember a researcher that's basically russell crowe but he's got this issue where uh he hallucinates a lot and uh it's about how he traverses through his career and his relationship along with all those hallucinations very intense story i am dead sure that rajkumar hirani before creating lagrange would have seen a beautiful way definitely it's played a role um in that journey yeah i was saying like what's super interesting in all of this is right like you remember movies because of the role that they sort of play in creating narrative like you look at gully boy right like nobody was seeing abner time


gully boy right like nobody was seeing abner time again till the time that gully boy came out or nobody was saying uh you know like how the josh became so popular because of uri and it did did us like really well thank you but uh you know like movies play such a strong role in creating narrative that it's almost like they move you into action um and i think that's what you are doing as a creator and we are also sort of trying to do the same thing that just move people through narrative yeah uh the narrative of my life is lux with rita roshan when he's pointing up and saying vohemira to his ex so that's that's the narrative of my life and also he's cor he's cordial with his ex that's that's how i think things should be um but i want to ask you this right so i think every podcast is kind of documenting my life as well i have been waking up really angry lately i've been waking up with


really angry lately i've been waking up with a temper lately because just i feel you know sometimes you go through those phases in business or career where things aren't going as smoothly or as quickly as you would like um and then and then sometimes as an entrepreneur i know you're not that kind of person because you're very calm every time i do you're like you're just calm collected you're in one place only on let's highlight that aspect of life um anger obviously happens when things don't move as fast as you want and all that but there is a certain level of frustration you feel as an entrepreneur when you you know okay here's here's the deal right when you begin a startup you're very kind of starry-eyed you think yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna do this beautiful thing and i'm gonna enjoy myself and then you go down the road go down that path and you have difficulties obviously but you also sometimes especially in india you have a lot of people who


especially in india you have a lot of people who try pulling you down or pulling you back people who see you doing well sometimes that you know competition tries pulling you back um it's actually a sign of success it's a sign that you're doing something right um so that was honestly the discovery for me now this might have been the discovery for you on your entrepreneurial journey uh but were there moments like that down the road where you're like yo i didn't sign up for this but i guess i'll have to deal with it yeah i think i mean i think you live these moments every single day right like in some form or the other where you just have to like things are not working out the way that you want it to you know you can't predict things like covet uh but you have to still sort of wake up and be like this has happened and this is the result of what's happened but you have to pull yourself together and keep it going but i think in the


together and keep it going but i think in the early days like you know uh obviously like right now when you look at our story or our journey right like you look at it in terms of where we've reached today and the viewership that we have today and the business that we've been able to scale the team that we have and it's it's all great and it's awesome but like when we were starting out we were like showbit was 19 i was 20 years old and who who takes 20 year old seriously in life so you know right from the first investor pitch meeting that we had till the first sort of sponsorship meeting that we had we were like completely disregarded as people um and you know just said like a hobby bag maker and all of that and like is this something that you're pursuing seriously are you running a charitable organization is this your way of doing volunteer work like there's so much that comes your way and then obviously there was this uh for the first two


then obviously there was this uh for the first two years there was this massive comparison with ted because ted has obviously built its own legacy in the west right and it's something that people uh look up to with something that's super aspirational so then there are these comparisons that you know like are you trying to copy them what are you trying to do really have you found your own niche is this like an indian version um and i guess i guess all of that just sort of uh builds your plan better because it gives you enough insight into what you should do what you shouldn't do who you have to prove wrong and i think that that serves is a huge trigger for motivating you on your journey but yeah i i strongly feel tedx is dead as a brand and i've said this for a while uh it was dying and now i feel it's officially dead after covert um you know people don't feel like doing tedx talks anymore uh ted it's different ted is that international


anymore uh ted it's different ted is that international conference yeah you know it's enriching but uh tedx hasn't played the game well because they were all about too much aggressive expansion they wanted to do tedx talks in every college and all that but this isn't about tedx yeah this is about josh and if you start a startup when you're 19 or 20 years old what kind of mindset does that require how did you figure that okay showbit is your co-founder did you all balance each other out because there's a lot of college kids who want to do business don't know how to go about it so speak to the college kids what did you see in your college circle friend and what was your mindset as a college student so very different right like when i entered college uh i was obviously going through a little bit of a down phase right like not getting the college of my choice always cribbing about the the ecosystem that surrounded me the people i was with it was just not like obviously


people i was with it was just not like obviously if you don't get what you wish for there is this period where you're like uh trying to criticize everything that's gone wrong you know as opposed to building yourself up um and i and i went through that uh that for a for a pretty long time and then delhi university has its own culture of chill and like you know just doing fun things and i obviously went into that so i had like a super fun college life but what i realized was that while i was thinking about internships people were still bunking classes and sitting in the market southern negative market outside uh so when i would sort of you know like the whether college would get over at one or two i would think about what to do with my time after college uh so that my next steps in life would be better i wouldn't see that in other people most of the people who would do that would be people who are like you know uh preparing for like ca or


are like you know uh preparing for like ca or cfa or mba which were like the three top courses for anybody doing become honors but it was always like like why are you doing this there was no answer to that question it was almost like you know i've been told that the best possible outcome of a become on us is an mba and then like a consulting job and that's why i need to do this but like when it came to practical hands-on experience actually starting something new volunteering your time uh doing something of value it was it was pretty insignificant um and and showbiz i think the reason that we clicked was he was already doing so much like i had never met somebody who's you know dropped out of school or traditional education for sports and being like the youngest person in the world to qualify for one of the toughest races uh sports teaches you a lot and i think that that sort of almost clicked because we had we had led we had similar mindsets um and


had we had led we had similar mindsets um and you know i think that mindset sort of also came from my dad where he said that you can't be mediocre at anything like if you're doing one thing just do it so well that you become irreplaceable and i think that's sort of been like my motto throughout uh that even if it's in college right like to do because like even if you're chilling like chill to your fullest but at the same time just just know like spend time productively on doing something that's making you better than the rest um yeah i think that's something but also uh like for for people who are watching this um the toughest part in my journey of starting up in college was convincing my parents um it took me one and a half years of actually running george to convince them um they didn't understand what this was it was a non-traditional business there was no salary coming home it was not known in like three generations of my family that somebody


in like three generations of my family that somebody who's a graduate would actually do this so that takes time but when you start proving yourself out when you know you get early traction when your neighbor comes back with your photo in the newspaper things like that really help but uh talking to your parents is super important i think i i did it a little later in my own life but i think that's something that i echo that always have your parents on the same plan um and talk to them about who you actually want to become in life yeah yeah i completely agree with you and you know there's a lot of people who watch this and point fingers and they'll find flaws even in all these pieces of your journey that's just how the internet works there's a lot of people who say oh no but maybe supriya had financial support from parents dude these are the same people who in college chill the most you know they say oh i don't have financial support from life so therefore i'm gonna


have financial support from life so therefore i'm gonna chill in college now and then once life starts then i guess i'll have to do a job it's excuses and i feel here you've got an example of people who set up an established business and i feel it boils down to like three things the first is again convincing a parent speaking communicating a lot um your relationship with your parents works like a romantic relationship but the more you communicate the better it becomes because there's more of an understanding and evolving so much from 18 to 25 so you have to keep communicating with your parents second this balanced chilling you know don't let go of your chilling but at the same time don't just make college about chilling and that's a mistake i made that's something i voice a lot on this podcast on these content pieces that you gotta do something in college it doesn't have to be a business but it has to be something that will help you grow it'll really set you up for the time


you grow it'll really set you up for the time uh when you're you know 22 23. otherwise you'll have to do that at 22 or 23 while you're worrying about making money while you're worrying about what other people are doing the third thing is probably what you said tearing through that herd mentality because there's too much of that in india like i'm sure there's mostly indians watching this and um we all go to some form of the herd mentality at some point where everyone's going in one direction we feel like we have to go in that direction uh that's really really not true and honestly if you have a vision about where you can take your life and where you can take your career try going for that research in that direction take steps in that direction but you will have people opposing you those same friends of yours who are slaves to the herd mentality they will run towards that and that's why we do podcasts with people like supriya paul so i i gotta ask


like supriya paul so i i gotta ask you this you're i think you're my age you're 93 born right yeah so uh what's what's your book about like you're 27 28 and you're writing a book what's accumulated in that book cool so the books i've actually edited it i haven't written it and the book is simply like um you know like it's a collection of the top 30 sort of jewish talks videos that have had an impact so it's telling the stories of like those 30 people uh from various different parts of the country from different economic stratas um and i think everybody whose story is sort of encapsulated in the book just echoes one desire which is that you know all you need is josh um and that's why the title and yeah it's i mean i'm super excited uh because you know like we've been in videos we've done events this is just another medium of expression of the same kind of content so i'm super keen to see you know how people uh accept


super keen to see you know how people uh accept it uh yeah and it's a child on pre-order now on amazon so yeah lovely we'll link it down below i've got to ask you this yeah i mean in many ways you're also a content creator you're a behind the scenes content creator in many many many ways so when you're a content creator there's pieces of your content that you create that sometimes for lack of a better phrase mess you up you know but stay with you and deeply inspire you or deeply shift your thought process so in the same way i'd like to ask you in this journey of running joshua in english in the tamil punjabi you're going across all these languages of all of them could you name three pieces that really stayed with you and like just completely changed you and what was in those pieces yeah i think uh so starting off with the first uh you know you're you're you build a bond with something that you've started from scratch and that was one story of


you've started from scratch and that was one story of sheeple uh which i had curated myself uh for you know one of our earliest sort of talks that we did in bombay um and sheetal is the daughter of a bar dancer and it's an entire story of how she basically self trains herself to play drums because you know like in mumbai ganpati is super big she saw people on the street playing dole and she realized that that's the desire that i have to want to play drums um and she schooled herself in that and then she won 100 scholarship to the u.s drum school um and i think that there is this one line in sheetal stock which says yes and that's where i have to reach and i think that's something that stays with me forever which is that you know like the sky belongs to all of us it doesn't matter where you come from it doesn't matter whose daughter or son you are um and that's one video that i keep


you are um and that's one video that i keep going back to even when you know like sometimes i'm adrift uh or you know i'm just like you know like you said frustrated kick you in your eye you know why are we moving forward i think that's something that i look back at a lot um the second video would be of good um and i think ankur is like my personal mentor so uh that was also my first interaction with him um and i think that story that story of you know at that point of time he was with groupon and just his focus on you're speaking for the sake of the lessons you're speaking about angkor wat also very uh like he's a leading influencer now i don't know he's a content creator yeah and uh and in his jewish talk um you know like he simply puts his story of you know like his uh the entire journey of michigan and then coming back and starting up um and he really simplifies failure and success um and i think


really simplifies failure and success um and i think that's something like that's the definition that i go back to time and time again um so yeah that those are there and then there's obviously the story of imma froze uh which has been doing really well for us online and it's been doing the rounds even recently that's one video that comes back to me on whatsapp perpetually once every week uh so that's also like a success metric for us but it's the story of a girl from a small village who goes on to you know studying in oxford and then comes back to actually join the police force because she believes in creating change um and you know telling people off keep me one of her powerful lines in the story is because of you and i think that's again something that stayed with me you know it's interesting you said that and uh you said she she's from a small town she's from a village from a super small village where you know like female fetus iodine


small village where you know like female fetus iodine infanticide is big so she was not wanted yeah uh so you spoke about this thing that happens in small villages in india and i'm sure it happens across it's not one particular state or region yeah and you've grown up in a great part of urban india do you see sexism making its way even to the top players even now especially in your entrepreneurial journey have you faced any kind of you know casual sexism for lack of a better word i don't want to call it that but have you faced anything uh which you're like yo maybe if i was a guy this wouldn't have happened to me i'm asking you this to understand this thing better yeah i think um you do um you know like uh so i'm not the type of person to kind of advocate that there are differences etc because like i'm a big believer that if you have talent you can make it it doesn't matter but you know


you can make it it doesn't matter but you know sometimes you you're in the middle of a conversation and you just feel like what just happened um you know like why was i asked what my plans are five years down the line in terms of starting a family or you know like do i plan on um like doing this for the rest of my life because if if it's you right like nobody's gonna ask you do you plan on doing this for the rest of your life you just made a pitch with a plan to do it for the rest of your life and grow it uh so there are certain questions that come up um you know there are certain things where like someone seen a picture of mine on facebook uh you know and made a comment about things like oh are you like uh but do you like model on the side and stuff and then and i'm just like okay why these are not questions that are being asked uh to my co-founder or to anybody else that i know so why should i


to anybody else that i know so why should i be on that side of the table but i guess yeah you just sort of like i've learned to retaliate like you know there's also this incident that i talk about which is like we went for a meeting one of our first sort of big meetings with our partner and the the person called me in for a meeting he reached out to me on linkedin and you know and i took showbit and i said you know we should go it's a big partner we should make the pitch together the guy didn't look at me the whole meeting he didn't look at me i was the decision maker for that particular aspect he didn't look at me and then and then we actually just got up and left and and it was a bold move to leave then but but we did it um yeah um you know it's you you have you heard of anthony bourdain so anthony bourdain uh was a celebrity chef he ran tv shows restaurants he had this thing called a


ran tv shows restaurants he had this thing called a no rule which means you don't work with people you don't enjoy meeting on your first instance yeah it's something i have followed a lot so i think that's pretty much what you lowkey uh yeah loki followed but uh honestly is it difficult as an indian girl at this stage when you're 27 and you're still getting some moments of sexism which fling mud at you uh how do you deal with it at those points like what is the self talk like because there's there's two kinds of people there's people who crumble with these situations and there's people who probably come out stronger i'm sure you're the second type so i'd like to know what what goes behind that so i think it's a phase of crumbling to coming out stronger and a lot of introspection that that goes through and i think and i think this happens with anybody who's going through right like it's almost like how do you take criticism uh some people


almost like how do you take criticism uh some people take it like with super confidence and they're like okay fine but but mostly you just sort of introspect and reflect on what the person has said and i think it's sort of the same transitional journey that i have where you know a lot of questions are now revolved around settling down around life but i'm just like i i still have a long way to go i have a journey where i need to prove myself i have goals that are set out for the business that i'm running now and and and that's something that's obviously there but that's not my focus my focus is building yours self-doubt happens to everyone but there's always different uh versions of self-doubt so could you break down your own version of self-doubt like break it down to the smallest degree what happens in your head at 27 after you have multiple established youtube channels a established recognized respected organization a respected career where people think so priya's gonna rip it


career where people think so priya's gonna rip it apart in life but there's still a self-doubt that creeps in in the middle of all these things so break it down what's creeping in so i think uh whenever you try a new business line right like for example we are moving from content to education right now we're moving from knowing what we know how to do really well to building a product from scratch which is your skills right and a completely tech enabled product um so that's you have massive self-doubt uh on you know whether am i capable enough to be a part of a team that actually builds that uh do i have enough knowledge that i've already gained uh is there someone who's better out there to do this uh this is the right decision that i should have taken or not uh that's there uh you know self-doubt happens when when people in the team who sort of like you know uh grown with you are no longer a part of the team then it's about


longer a part of the team then it's about hey why did that person leave uh was it something that i did or is the organization not serving that person's purpose um and you know just reflections on like when you sort of like finish the year and you retro you sort of look back at what have you done and what have you achieved in the year um i think there are like so many so many sort of triggers that come your way like even if it's a talk did i give that talk really well uh if it's a video did that video reach the maximum potential that it had the story deserved to reach 20 million people but hey only 5 million have watched it or maybe even 100k i watched it is it going to make the same amount of impact you know and then how do you measure impact for something like juice talks this is the question we get asked again and again like our measurement right now is that you look at the comment section you look at how people behave over there


comment section you look at how people behave over there the kind of stories that they share you know the hearts that they pour out and when they come back and write to us and tell us the life decisions they made after watching it but when you start an impact oriented business and you don't really have like a way to measure it uh up to the level that people expect you do you always question like did anything happen did did you finish watching the talk and did you do something am i still at the back of your head or or is it just something that's going to pass and i think all of those questions basically create this like chaos in your mind that you just need to sort out and move ahead how do you sort it out so okay uh a lot of things that i've been doing uh recently which have worked for me and might work for people who are watching this one is i never used to write down things um you know like super big fan of typing stuff out uh but i


super big fan of typing stuff out uh but i realized that writing um and having a journal has its own way of sort of clarifying things because you tend to structure down things a lot better than what you would do if you were sort of typing it out on an email or anything of that sort um the second is that take a break this is something as entrepreneurs we do not get uh which is that you know how can you take a day off like i used to sort of uh you know look down upon myself when i used to take a holiday and be like okay you know like you have so many people who are working how can you take time off why am i not there um and i think you just have to realize that that it's okay because for you to be mentally strong and for you need to for you to figure yourself out and your out you need to be focused and a break is required time and time again so give yourself the luxury of a break and normalize taking a


the luxury of a break and normalize taking a break and i think the third thing is uh exercising i've recently got into it um i wasn't uh such a big fan um and but now it's really helping it just sort of gives you the energy that you need and then puts life on track um now i gotta ask you a question that i think about a lot which if i hadn't asked you that whole sexism angle possibly could have come as a sexist question but i asked guys this as well yeah entrepreneurs who are age 27 you got this weird stage where you're seeing all your friends getting married i'm seeing some friends having kids and i'm like i'm not even capable of like holding a kid in my hand you know like i forget having one and raising a child um man do you think about like at 30 or 32 life is gonna change when we'll have to probably settle down when we might have to think of getting kids uh do you think about that aspect at all


kids uh do you think about that aspect at all from an entrepreneurial perspective that how am i gonna put in the same energy into all this my my way of dealing with it is i figure that i want to get married probably three four years from now and that's why why right now while i'm single and while there's no one in my life i'm gonna amp up my speed even more i'm gonna amp up everything i'm doing even more so that later on i can kind of pull back down on the speed uh and i want to have that family life i want to give time to my relationships then not giving any time to my relationships right now which some people would say is bad you know you it's all about the journey but fortunately my mom my sister my friends have understood these uh aspects of my life yeah so i think like you know each person has their own journey and like it's awesome what you're doing and how you're spending time sometimes when i'm sort of like you know


time sometimes when i'm sort of like you know ending my day and then i look at your stories because you always have your stories with your core team um sometimes in the middle of the night and you know talking about what you're building next that's sort of like a pick-me-up for me also so but when i look at it uh do i want to do i want to settle down uh in in the true settle down punjabi sense yes i do uh is that gonna happen soon maybe over the next three to four years but um i think what i'm really working on now is and it's a sort of like a change i was a big micro manager and as someone who starts um you know you realize that sometimes you feel like you need to be a perfectionist and you need to ensure that every word in that email echoes what you believe in and how you would say it uh but i think what i've realized now is that if you sort of templatize and make super solid processes it


sort of templatize and make super solid processes it gives you enough time to to have a balance in life um it's easier said than done but i'm also making my effort to kind of create this balance you know so when i was like maybe 19 20 i read this quote it said that if you work really really hard in your 20s and you you give life your best shot you'll set yourself up for the rest of your life and i strongly back that quote i've seen what it's done that even if at age 30 i decide to just go away and become a hermit but then come back at 35 i'll have enough job opportunities enough people saying okay i'll start something with you because i've already proven myself in my 20s all that you know it's beautiful i'm i'm very happy with how my 20s turned out my mom sometimes looks at my life and says that no no you've had a very shitty 20s because you've just worked i don't look at it that


you've just worked i don't look at it that way at all i feel like i've i've had a lot of fun a lot of experiences lots of travel i have partied at the same time i've worked really hard and set myself up i'm gonna turn 28 this year so are you yeah we're in our late 20s now so i don't know how that's supposed to make us feel yeah but wait we're hitting that 30 mark and i'm actually i'm not uncomfortable about turning 30. i see a lot of people who are a lot of my friends are uh i'm not i feel like every single year when i turn 26 when i don't 27 i'm sure when i turn 28 i look at my life and say yeah this is what i envisaged for myself is what i pictured for myself at this particular age but about turning 30 there is this thought of me turning it down just a little bit this brutality this intensity this level of multitasking it's i don't think it's


level of multitasking it's i don't think it's sustainable in your 30s uh but that's just me right now without having turned 30 uh without having a relationship in my life it's single life also speaking up you know what do you have what do you think of this whole concept when you turn 30 do you think that you'll dial it down a little bit because you set yourself up for your life so uh yes and no i think uh no because you know like if you've seen 30s are the new 20s and that's the trend on instagram also now i think that motivates you don't don't make don't make those old people feel nice yeah uh yes is it like uh you know when you you like i think you know i'm going through something similar right like when you open your feed you see people getting married starting families it's just like that question comes back to you again and again and it's almost like you want to put that away for a minute uh because you're not there yet uh


for a minute uh because you're not there yet uh but i do feel that yeah i think like i've worked super hard up until now um and uh while i do have the same amount of energy i think i do see that you know like things change even like between so when i was 20 to 25 uh there was a different kind of energy there was a different kind of work uh style what i used to do how i used to do it how i would be up and about to like um you know just do everything myself but that's also not the most productive thing to do right uh and i saw that transition uh when i was between like you know 25 to 27 over the last two years so i think like with each face comes like this this way of your body also catching up on you and then your mind assists you in taking decisions that you need to uh but but yeah i also like when i was 23 um in 2016 i also had like a massive health issue like i had a


had like a massive health issue like i had a blood clotting disorder so that's also something that i live with now every day so even when i look at the rest of my life i have to look at how healthy am i going to be able to live it uh you know and and how am i going to cope with this so i think that's also another like super important factor uh that makes me balance things out um are you an entrepreneur in your 20s to have a calming uh peaceful happy luxurious 30s luxury doesn't mean material luxury luxury could be even peace because that is that is a thought for my forties maybe not my thirties but i do want luxury not just in the material sense but in the mind sense as well like i want luxury for the mind yeah also access to great people i wanna buy a sports team but all all all these ideas are there but that that is driving uh my life at this stage other than the obvious thing like i'm doing what


other than the obvious thing like i'm doing what i'm doing for all my people this content like you know for the same but um if you ask me why i'm doing it for me it's these things i want luxury of the mind and why not enjoy some material luxury in my 40s do you look at life that way is that any kind of a driving force um yeah i do um you know like uh so obviously right like basically let's let's sort of like just categorize this into two things one is that if i wasn't doing this i don't know what i would do um and if i didn't do this today i don't know what i would do if i didn't do this five years from now i don't know what i would do that's how vested i am in what i'm building and for who i'm building right like what is stayed common is that no matter what i do in my life now going forward it was always be for the same audience uh because till the


be for the same audience uh because till the time that i see that the same audience has actually got you know like we've been able to create some form of impact they have leveled up in life things have changed the narrative has changed we've been able to build this dream of becoming somebody that's not going to stop no matter what i do um and i think uh that's how i look at like what my life goals are um in terms of what i have to achieve and then the second thing is you know i was i had super materialistic goals but when you like go through this near death experience which i did in my 20s which was too tough to come up with like it took me a year of you know rebuilding myself uh physically um you realize that everything that we've read right like about how that doesn't matter how on your death bed who's going to be around you what are they going to say about you you start thinking like that so so while i did have that as


like that so so while i did have that as a huge focus i don't think i have that as so much of a focus now but yes do i want to be in an area where i don't have to think about money and i can continue to do what i'm doing and live my dream that's where i want to get to and probably not at 40 maybe in the next five years no that's mental luxury so i guess i guess all of us on a person we're craving some form of luxury or mixes of different forms of luxury yeah uh before we move uh into the rapid fire twitter section uh because you worked so much in the field of content very fast what do you think is the future of content in india and i know that both josh talks and everything we do is slightly more serious content so we're not completely mainstream we are a niche my gut feeling is that the number of people who want this kind of niche will increase because people will realize the value of this


will increase because people will realize the value of this kind of content realize oh okay this content that helps me escape life and this corner helps me go deeper into life and for the sake of my own livelihood and the quality of my life and the quality of my mind i probably need the second kind which makes me uncomfortable which makes me go deeper into life but it will change me in some way so that's my gut feeling that the numbers are just going to keep increasing over time but what do you think yeah absolutely i think um you know on the same point one is that learning content we've already seen right like in the last 12 months if you look at youtube and creators who are putting out content which has a utility value associated with it that's doing really well you didn't see that trend earlier so that's picking up um i think vernacular is picking up the numbers that we are doing in channels like malayalam um you know and obviously like the ratio like what what