went to bang ganga which is The Cremation ground that it would be closest to where his house was on Malabar Hill um he did a lot of sadhana in the worldly smashon also here in Mumbai and there came a point where he had to go to Banaras because Banaras is a place which is sometimes called the mahas mashan the greatest of The Cremation grounds do you still find agoris in the one in Mumbai because I know that they they visit Banaras they're definitely are goris and Banaras um I I go to the ban ganga cremation ground periodically I've never seen any agoris there I expect that they probably probably do come there but it's it's it's not a it's not a well-known haunt of agoris okay uh uh what happened after this in his story well I've it it took him a while to get used to this idea that that he had suddenly been transported back to Bombay now he was establishing a relationship with a blood drinking goddess


establishing a relationship with a blood drinking goddess meanwhile on the outside he still had to uh behave in an appropriate way with his parents and his sisters and so on and uh it took a few days but the um Gina chandrasuri came back from darbhanga and um and then was telling him about how how he knew that this was going to work out and how uh it was going to be great because now he was going to tell uh vimilananda Gina chandrasuri was going to tell them not exactly what to do and then they would make a lot of money and be successful and bimlananda said stop right there I'm paraphrasing here um I never wanted to do this you forced me to do this but now that I've done this I don't have any interest in you I'm interested only in the goddess so you please go away but how were they gonna make money um I'm sure he had some there are all kinds of methods of Shakti is Shakti so if you


methods of Shakti is Shakti so if you take Shakti and you manipulate it in pretty way in certain ways money is a kind of Shakti beauty is a kind of Shakti Fame is a kind of Shakti there's so many different Shakti means energy okay I've got it I've got to stop you here just to give some context to some of our viewers we had someone called rajashi nandi on the podcast recently he's an advanced Tantra practitioner and he's taught me and the audiences and I'm sure it's the same audience watching this particular podcast he taught us about thunder so I'm gonna do a bit of a recap he said that the goal of life is spiritual Evolution the aim of life is uh to achieve Nirvana or moksh or Enlightenment connecting with God once again uh if you pray it's like you're walking towards that goal imagine uh the purpose to be like a road if you pray you're walking on that road if you do


you pray you're walking on that road if you do bad things in the world if you do bad karmas you're walking backwards on the road away from that goal uh if you meditate deeply it's like you're in a car which is moving on that road it's going faster than normal if you practice Tantra you're going in a really fast car and if you're going about Agora in your life it's like you're sitting in a Formula One car like a race car and then you're going on the road so it's an extremely fast way of evolving spiritually um what I understand here is that the practice that the Jain monk made uh was some Agora based technique which hastened his own spiritual Evolution he was able to summon the deity and the deity appeared in front of him probably the Jain sadhu saw some kind of spiritual potential in them already from a previous life and said that okay you know you're more capable of calling this goddess the thing is when you see


calling this goddess the thing is when you see your deity and you achieve that spiritual evolution you're able to extract Shakti or some kind of power from the process of Tandra and you're saying that that power can definitely be used for Spiritual Evolution but it can be used for other things like Beauty like Fame like money would you like to add anything to this context well just to say that this is a it there's a in Indian tradition there's four different spiritual paths the first is the path of the ant just what you're talking about is walking an ant will walk it'll move in all different directions eventually I'll get to where it's going and if the ant Falls over the ant will ignore that it will get back up and it will keep walking the second is a little more direct and that's the mean America mean it means fish so the fish is swimming Upstream it's a little more work but it can still hide behind a rock and take a rest now and again the third


rock and take a rest now and again the third is monkey so you're jumping from limb to limb in the tree you're moving a lot faster than the than the fish but if you fall out of the tree you may break a bone and sometimes monkeys actually break bones when they fall out of trees and the fourth is the vihanga Marga and vihanga means bird so if you jump off of the branch and you fly that's great and if you jump off the branch and you crash then you're dead so that's Agora yeah that's what I want to ask you what are the actionables in these four yeah the ant one is just prayer the basic stuff absolutely just you keep you keep your mind on where you're going you may not have you may not have that you're you're being diverted by your family and you're being diverted by your job and you're being diverted by the things you're attracted by but you keep every day going back in the direction of trying to get to


going back in the direction of trying to get to where you want to go but this would just be basic prayer love for God just basic okay without with and you have a desire but it's not a very strong desire all these other desires are stronger gotcha then you get a stronger desire then you're meditating more than you're paying less attention to other things you might desire and more attention to Direction you want to go in but you still don't have that much momentum so it still takes some period of time and there's still things you desire because life is all about desire and they're always especially nowadays all kinds of things that people desire so you're moving forward but their desires are still tripping you up occasionally then you start moving now we're in the Tantra aspect of things now you're seriously moving forward and now you are really focused and you were doing you you were you were you've created a a definite pattern of spending several hours a day or several days at a


several hours a day or several days at a time all day long focusing on this process but still even after you've been focused all this time once you're not focused once you're back in the world the world is still there to try to grab your attention and you still may get diverted and now that you have more energy that diversion may be that may take you a lot further away from the path this is the monkey butt that's the monkey part of it what about the breaking bones aspect of it uh well suppose that you are moving forward and you have you are following this sadhana you're following this practice of of working hard to achieve something and you're collecting energy inside you in the physical body energy means Prana Prana means the life force and for people sometimes think of Prana as being a symbolic thing or some kind of uh a way of speaking but pran is a real thing it is a real Force the Chinese call it Chi it's something that you can experience in yourself and you


something that you can experience in yourself and you can feel and you can understand you can circulate The Prana the more that you accumulate your Prana and how will you accumulate it by not having it get diverted every time wherever you put your attention is where your prawn is going to go if you put your attention on your screen all day long all of your energy is going to go into your device if you put your attention on making money all day long all your energy is going into go into making money if you put your energy into trying to move in the direction of reality then that's where your energy is going to go you mean God like let's call it God some people don't believe there is a God there is a reality we could call it God we can call it we God is a limiting word for something that is the reality that has no qualities ultimately that simply is or sometimes I even like better it's true and real it is there is there's a rhythm to it and


is there is there's a rhythm to it and it's vast it encompasses all the universes things that we have not even been able to dream of imagining so you're moving in that direction you're accumulating energy for going in this direction so you're driving down the road you're on the expressway you're driving as fast as you can but then supposing your attention gets diverted and at the moment your attention is diverted there is a big block a big piece of rock in your way and you run into that piece of rock that's not going to be good for you and that piece of rock could be some kind of very complicated Karma that you suddenly comes comes into your life at a particular moment or it could be a desire that all of a sudden takes hold of you and you can't let go of it and it's dragging you in that direction so it's very important to to get rid of all of this as much as possible in order to be able to move forward okay uh


in order to be able to move forward okay uh all right actually if I could add one thing here um I I look for it on YouTube but I'm I and I I've heard that it's there I haven't been able to find it yet but there was a film made about 20 25 years ago um by a German film crew about a young agori who was in a smashon i a cremation ground either in haridwar or rishikesh and they went there and they saw him sitting there and he was cooking his rice in a human skull and he was wearing clothes he was wearing cloth from a corpse and he ignored them for several days but at some point he became interested in the camera and then he started talking to them and he said that his Guru who was in der Dune and the crew eventually uh interviewed the guru also that the guru had told him to sit in the smashon in the cremation ground and not pay attention to anybody or anything but just


and not pay attention to anybody or anything but just focus on meditating on Shiva and doing and cooking the rice and the skull and wearing the dead people clothes and just focusing on death and that's what he was told to do but he became interested in the camera and then he started talking to the film crew and then it didn't take very long before he was taking the film crew with him to Calcutta which is where he was where he's from and showing them off to his family and taking them to the red light district to show that he could be around the prostitutes without being tempted and then they interviewed the guru again and and the guru says do you see how difficult Agora is I told him just to go to The Cremation ground and ignore everything and look what happened he ignored everything until the one thing he could not ignore came to him and it dragged him away from what he was supposed to do which was the camera which was the camera so


do which was the camera which was the camera so the the it's not just that you may have some spirit that will come in and disturb you it's not just that the the jackals or the disease or the or whatever may come and disturb you it's whatever it is you have not digested in yourself that can come and drag you away from this path it's very difficult this particular agori wanted Fame he didn't even know that he did but then once that possibility was put in front of him then oh the foreigners the ferangs are here and now now it's not only him I've been acknowledged as as a greater gordian not only here but also in in foreign I will be acknowledged as a greater goody he didn't even realize from he had no idea that that would happen until it happened and this is this if you in in vimalananda would always say you can be sure that if you try to move in the direction of Tantra and especially Agora that you're going


of Tantra and especially Agora that you're going to find whatever your limitation is it's going to come up and you're going to have to deal with it and it will happen at the least convenient moment and that's why vimilananda always said always live with reality because if you don't reality will come to live with you and that's what happened to this kid and that's what happened to so many people yeah um I think the process of Tantra therefore entails that you have to go through a lot of tests and most people fail those tests most people do most people do you were never tempted to be an agori yourself um I I have certainly under vimilananda's instructions performed Agora sadhanas but um to actually be a nagori means to transform yourself so that 24 hours a day you were in that that state of that agory state of mind so if that ever happens then I will I will feel like I've achieved something but otherwise I'm just I I have done


something but otherwise I'm just I I have done whatever sadhana's he instructed me to do and some of them were Agora type sudden do you want to talk about any of them if you're comfortable um uh yes I mean certainly I never did um I never tried he never told me to try to sit on a corpse um I have I have uh sat in cremation grounds in many different places including in Banaras and at bonaganga um I got kicked out of the Puna smashon once the Puna cremation ground and it was my own fault because I was going there every night and one day I I gave a gift to the guy who was the superintendent there because he was kind enough and I had gone to the Puna Municipal Corporation and I had gone to the health commissioner office because they managed The Cremation ground and I got permission from the additional Health commissioner and so I had my permission and I showed it to that guy but I you know


showed it to that guy but I you know it's always nice to it's always nice to offer a little something to the caramanchari to the worker but being young and stupid I didn't realize that if I only offer it to the superintendent and not to the other workers then they're going to feel like uh they were being left out so after a few days everything was going along very well but after a few days one Sunday night I remember it was a Sunday um and this was remember this was probably a 35 years ago um and back then of course there was no uh internet and there were no phones and there was however here in Bharat the worship in Hindustan there was the Sunday Night movie and so I'm here doing I'm sitting I have there's a I've built a fire I'm sitting there worshiping the fire and somebody shows up and he introduces himself as the health Commissioner of Puna and I uh I say uh yes I have permission from the additional Health commissioner and


yes I have permission from the additional Health commissioner and this makes him he bird car gay even more he makes him even more upset and he says who is the additional commissioner I am the health commissioner and I'm telling you you must leave immediately I said but I'm in the middle of doing this he said you must leave immediately otherwise those 20 men over there will come and beat you up and drag you away so I looked over and I saw the 20 men over there and I thought uh it's time for me to leave so I said okay there's you and there's this fire here that's the cutter message between you and it and so I Departed so you mean the Health commission on the file yes because he's interrupted what I've started so he has performed that Karma so now it's between him and the fire in any event I mean why he did this maybe it was it because I was obviously a videshi a foreigner was it because I don't know so there were certain limitations to


I don't know so there were certain limitations to what I could do um but vimal Ananda was kind enough to point out for example I mean certain things just have appeared in my life and like when I was in the uh when I was in the uh ayurvedic College in Puna we were studying anatomy and we were studying modern Anatomy according to um the book of Cunningham and so uh we were dissecting a body and um in order to understand the anatomy of the head I had purchased three skulls now where the skulls came from of course I didn't ask but the guy who was in charge of the anatomy lab arranged them they were not expensive back then it was like you know 12 rupees a piece so I had these three skulls and one day after I met and I'd been studying them you know where does this muscle go and that said to me what about those three skulls you have and I I had never mentioned that I had three skulls I said yeah


never mentioned that I had three skulls I said yeah I have those three skulls what about them he said do you do what do you think you're doing with those skulls I said or uh while I'm studying them anatomically he said do you think they're not having an effect on you I said I'm I'm uh I don't know so he said yes definitely they are so then he told me what to do to establish a a relationship that was not just me using you know them for anatomical purposes but me acknowledging that they were previously had been human beings that had been dug up probably did not want to be dug up and now they were living in my desk and so for many years they and I had a particular relationship you mean the ghosts of those human beings but it was it it was it was not so much that ghost is a big word so it's quite possible that these individuals had been reborn already but still at a level possibly not conscious for them there was still


a level possibly not conscious for them there was still a connection to this previous existence that they had had because their bones were still there and that's one reason why in this country it the The Cremation is is so encouraged because that destroys even they're not even bones to or there may be a few pieces but they all then go into the water so there's no body left for the spirit to connect to so sometimes there may be a spirit remaining there I think that if the spirit had been very strong with these three skulls it probably they probably would have started harassing me already but it was strong enough that after I started paying attention to them that I started to realize that in fact their pre they were definitely a presence there and once I got them to understand that look I don't want you interfering with my awareness and I'm going to do this for you so that you will also get some benefit out of it then we had a nice relationship for several years no so many questions so


nice relationship for several years no so many questions so I mean you know that that's when and like I say that it's not like I went out of my way to go find some skulls and then you know do something to them and control the spirit and so on they were already there a lot of your life has been dictated by Destiny exactly a tremendous amount I feel at this point you have like five or six podcasts in you like you're so much to say from your whole life and you didn't even spend your entire life in India you went to other places in the world I'm sure you've kind of dived into the version of Tantra that they had there as well at least you've gotten to know about it I have so many questions for you the one question that's like sprouting up in my mind right now is actually related to your childhood I'm assuming you grew up Christian yes and um Christianity has a similar yet very different Outlook uh on God and Heaven like when you


Outlook uh on God and Heaven like when you compare it to something like Hinduism um I have a few Christian friends where I've discussed Hinduism in detail with them and uh they're very open to learning about it but the fundamental question that they ask is also often related to demonology when you talk about deities when you talk about God uh versus the Christian understanding of God by God is the almighty when I asked this question to the Tantra expert rajashi nandi he said that in tantras believe that parabram or Universal God Is So Advanced that it possibly almost doesn't even care about human beings but the deities are there to help you no you're someone who is raised as a Christian when you came to India did you have some kind of relearning to do in order to absorb this concept of what deities are and save there are Christians watching this what and how would you explain what deities are and how is it related to God or are these uh sort of demons are


to God or are these uh sort of demons are they Angels is it a version of something related to demonology like how do you go about explaining this because I feel it's a fundamental philosophy that needs to be broken down in this episode as well I think to answer that question um I have to start off by saying that there is reality and there are structures that people create to assist them to connect to reality um reli so a religion a or um in in Sanskrit often we use the word some pradaya so a semper Daya is a particular um a particular way of doing things there are particular rules their particular attitudes um and like the pushdie sampradaya they follow what um SRI mahaprabhuji wallabacharya taught and uh following those rules means that you are a part of that pushti sampradaya and the goal is always spiritual Evolution the goal is always spiritual Evolution now different people different sampradayas will have quite possibly different goals so the goal of the


have quite possibly different goals so the goal of the pushti sampradaya is is Lord Krishna bhagavan Shri Krishna uh the goal of the Shiva sedanta is Lord Shiva um the goal of the Ghana sampradaya is ganapati so uh the goal of Christianity is Jesus Christa is Jesus there there are different they're different uh the different sects different religions have different goals so you think that within Hinduism there's actually multiple different religions as well absolutely and vimilananda himself never liked the word Hindu he said it's a Persian word and why should we be defining ourselves as you know in a Persian way um and Hindu of course is a corruption because the Persian ancient Persian and Sanskrit are close together but the Persians use H whereas Sanskrit uses s so instead of saying Hindu Sindhu they said Hindu so the that word Hindu is really Sindhu that's the Indus River is the so the people who live around or beyond the


the so the people who live around or beyond the Indus River they regarded it they called Hindus preferred to think of himself as a Vedic someone who was following in the the the the path that comes originally from The Vedas so Agora for example um and Tantra they emerge from the atarava Veda they're four of Vedas and the ataravaveda is the in some ways the youngest Veda but in other ways it's even older than the other Vedas it comes from a it comes from uh a a paths that are not uh that are not mainlined to The Vedas so um a sampradaya is a sect a religion vimalananda believed as do I that um what's more important is reality the religion the simpra Daya is important and if you're in a certain semper diet and you're following it you should observe its rules but he always used to say that he personally did not believe in some pradaya he believed in some Prada and some pradha means


believed in some Prada and some pradha means incineration that you should burn down all of your Concepts burn down all of the limitations you have in your mind and recognize that there is only one reality behind everything in The Vedas they say truth is there is only one truth but those who know truth every one of those individuals will describe it in different ways because they have each individual has a different perspective on Truth each individual has a different perspective on reality so when it comes to me for example um I I never you know the the CR the Christianity the religion with all the restrictions and several I never had much of an affinity for that I had an a strong affinity for Jesus of Nazareth for the Christ and I always I developed at an early age a personal relationship which I've maintained up until now you're still connected to Jesus Christ absolutely he's my Kula devata my Kula Guru Kula means family in this case Kula means many things but in this case it's


Kula means many things but in this case it's it it was the the it is the religion of my of my cooler of my family of my physical uh uh ancestors and as ramakrishna paramahamsa said uh once to somebody who was considering changing his religion he said can you change your father so it's like that's something that even if I don't even if I don't focus a tremendous amount of attention there that will always be present I will always acknowledge that and vimalananda himself was a devotee of Jesus Christ because he believed as do some other people here in this country that both Christ and Krishna were umshas were in were portions of the Rishi mayatreya and so that they're both avataras they're sort of like brothers or cousins or something so for him worshiping Jesus and worshiping Krishna was almost the same sort of thing because he also did not regard sectarian worship of Krishna or of Jesus as being important he regarded having a personal


of Jesus as being important he regarded having a personal relationship with both of those as being important I'm a part of something called yss the yogoda satsang society which is yoga and paraman's school and we worship six gurus of which two are Jesus Christ and Lord Shri Krishna yes uh there's many Hindus who get offended that I place a photo of Jesus Christ next to Krishna and there's many Christians who get offended that I place a photo of Krishna next to Jesus uh how do you explain it to people who get offended with these Concepts because everyone's kind of living in a world now where they think no my religion is superior to your religion without understanding what reality truly is would you like to dive a little bit um I mean it really does depend on who I'm talking to so if I'm talking to someone who is very much tied down to their sampradaya to their sect whether it's Christian or Hindu or Muslim or anything else or part


or Hindu or Muslim or anything else or part or zoroastrian I've spent a lot of time with parses and iranis um I recognize that trying to explain precisely how I see things may not get me anywhere so if they need to feel that I'm a gnostic or a coffee or a a a a heretic or something I let them feel that way but if it's somebody who seriously wants to understand that it I try to explain that you know Jesus made it very clear that there was one reality and Krishna also made it very clear that there was one reality Krishna and even in this country there have been times when vaishnavas followers of Vishnu and shavas followers of Shiva have fought with one another have killed one another because each one of them said my devata is the most important it it's it it is what is most important in my opinion is to recognize that for every individual there is a particular path in a particular Incarnation that is going to


path in a particular Incarnation that is going to work for them best for many people it is one devatar one one God one Guru one direct path for some people it is not so much one as having more than one that doesn't mean having 20 and having your attention divided among those 20 that means having direct a direct connection to whoever it is you're having that connection to and if that connection is one that you can honestly say to yourself being very calm and very introspective that that is genuine for you then that is genuine for you and um for for for me if if I sincerely believe that the Supreme reality has ultimately no name and no form no qualities whatsoever that it can take on inequalities that it wants to then I can certainly feel when I am worshiping Jesus that that I am indirectly worshiping whatever other devatas I may have a relationship with and if I'm worship and I have relationship with certain devatas like ganapati I lived here in Mirage


devatas like ganapati I lived here in Mirage Maharashtra for many years and and I have a a a direct and very genuine and sincere connection to gonna to ganapathy but I don't I personally they are different externally they are different in their qualities they're different in how you worship them but they are still manifestations of that one supreme reality which people refer to as God which people refer to as God now the problem is sometimes that let's say Christians they refer to God as Abraham was thinking about God and so do the Jews and so do the Muslims and Abraham certainly to have created these religions that billions of people uh worship he must have been quite a guy but still that doesn't mean that he was perfect and he had his own limitations and partly they were the limitations of the time he lived in that was back in a time when sacrifices were happening sacrifices were happening in The Vedic religion also sacrifices were happening everywhere


religion also sacrifices were happening everywhere and that's why Jesus came along and said I will be the sacrifice you forget about this all the sacrifice thing and Jesus defined his religion very clearly and easily and simply number one God is love and number two love your neighbor as much as you love yourself and remember that anything that you do is going to come back in your direction I mean he ex he called it the Golden Rule Rule do unto others as you would have them do unto you and remember he was explaining to people who did not have the advantage of abstruse philosophical thought like the people here have had for thousands of years so he was he was trying to explain the law of karma to them if you do to somebody else something that is violent the law of karma is going to send violence back in your direction it may not be today or tomorrow it may be after one more Incarnation or ten incarnations but that's going to happen that's just that's the


that's going to happen that's just that's the nature of the universe that's Newton's third law of motion action reaction how do you explain deities if you look let's just start with here in baratawarsha in India many people still worship Vedic deities almost nobody Indra Pusha but they were worshiped back in the past and there came a point sometime between two and three thousand years ago where things shifted Vishnu originally was just one out of 12 adityas but now he is Vishnu is he is the for many people the Supreme deity Shiva was originally rudra and rudra was a storm God and rudra was not even given direct a direct part of the sacrifice he was given the uchista he was given what was left over and now he's Lord Shiva so as time changes and his people change I like to think of devatas as kind of like co-creations of these of the Supreme reality and the human being we are very very limited we human beings and our sense


are very very limited we human beings and our sense organs give us a lot of information but they give us just a tiny amount of information compared to how much information we could take in and of everything we take in we only can consciously connect to a tiny amount of information so what Maya is is the creation it's the skin of the world it's what we interact with and we need to interact with it because so that we can do what we have to do every day which is find something to eat and avoid being eaten in the past you had to worry and still in some places you have to worry about eating by being eaten by a leopard or a a tiger or something but now it's more like being having your attention eaten by your device or by people who are trying to this is Bombay people who want to extract something from you in some way so Maya is is there and if you can look beyond the Maya you can see that things are not actually the way that they


see that things are not actually the way that they appear to our senses but how far can we look it's like if you applaud if you you know we we're we're kind of like appliances you plug into the wall 240 volts but if you plug them into 440 volts they will burn up those big transmission lines they're a hundred kilovolts 200 300 kilovolts they would incinerate your Appliance so the the big big Parma devata that's millions of olds billions of volts they're still at the hundred thousand volt level so then you come you have to even attenuate that down to the smaller level where you have the locals or you have mahaganapathi but also you have the ashtavinayaka you have the ganapatian Pali and mahad and and those devatas are not as they're not as Supreme they're connected directly to the Supreme but they have more of a personality they have more of a location on Earth it's easier for us to connect to them so the devatas in


for us to connect to them so the devatas in order for us because God Is So compassionate God says I want people to be able to connect to me but I am this big and here are these tiny ants here so I made I may I may look at the ant and I may think oh how cute the ant is but if I try to pet the ant the ant will get smushed so God can't come down here and say I'm going to give you some you know I'm going to give you something I'm going to give a lud do to the ant what is the ant gonna do the laddu will land on the ant and and that will be the end of the end so in any instead God gives the ladoo to an assistant who gives it to an assistant so we get a teeny tiny amount but which often is more than we can digest because we're such teeny tiny things and again I gotta bring you back to the devatas and to Agora so what happens is these


and to Agora so what happens is these devatas are co-creations of human beings and the Supreme reality and so the devatas and there were Vedic devatas most people are not worshiping them now now they're worshiping a group of devatas but devatas are being created all the time I was just in Tamil Nadu and I visited a the cheat the the main Devi of palachi District her name is masani Amman and masang masani comes from and she was she started off Life as a young girl who was unrightly put to death by the local Chieftain and people were realized that this was so uh wrong that they they were worried that she might get very upset and start going berserk and so they came and started worshiping her and she herself started to move in the Direction first she started off as a human being then she started moving in the direction of being connecting to the the the Devi and so she's she has over this past few hundred years in


she has over this past few hundred years in spite of starting out as a human she now has been possessed by the Davey and so and she is now the chief Devi of this District so this kind of thing is happening all the time there are people are moving in that direction the David the God is moving down in our Direction and at different places in different ways certain devatas are created and those devatas are connected to the Transcendent devatas it's sort of like step down Transformers but they're always changing because human beings are always changing when I first came to India in 1973 I started the ayurveda college 1974 and there was a movie came out Jay santoshima JJ Sendo shimata there was no santoshi Mata before this but oh my God I went to see santoshi Mata use you all of these uh women were doing ariti to the screen and they and and and now there's that now there's temples of santoshi Mata all over India so santoshi Mata didn't


Mata all over India so santoshi Mata didn't exist and now she exists because people are worshiping her they're putting their energy into her they're putting their attention on her their prawn is feeding her so she can continue to work with us and and to assist us in what we're trying to do so Indra has not gone anywhere but no one is feeding him so he doesn't have any shukta anymore so what can he do only those things that get and this is not just in India the ancient Egyptian gods and goddesses almost none of them people pay some attention to suckmat and to thought tot and two but otherwise there's just a couple of them that people to pay attention to now and feed with their attention uh there are gods and goddesses in Africa and in South America and so on but only the ones that get fed are the ones that are we're going to be able to have a relationship with I think the traditionalist questionnaire is how are these Not Angels or demons


questionnaire is how are these Not Angels or demons what is an angel you see I mean if if you if you ask a Christian what is an angel or you ask a Muslim what is a farishta I mean what will they say this is that that those angels are assistants they're ethereal beings that are assisting God in a particular way like the Saints some people don't believe in Saints I grew up as a Protestant a Baptist nobody believes in Saints but the Catholics very much believe in Saints and so Saints and Angels they're kind of similar because they're there to assist people in particular ways but that's very similar to what devatas are doing also okay the reason I'm diving so much into the philosophy is because I think to truly understand Agora you need to know these things as well uh the audiences always want darker more cinematic questions uh that's what does well but I also wanted this episode to be a little bit about the philosophies and


to be a little bit about the philosophies and we'll head into another episode which is a little more ritualistic and a little darker uh is there anything else you'd like to say about agoris in general or people's uh understanding or misunderstanding of the concept vimo Ananda was of the opinion that they're basically are two they're basically are two paths to reality one is the path of The Vedas and the the first word in the Veda is om which almost doesn't count because that encapsulates everything but the first real word in the Veda the first word of the first verse of the first hymn of the first Veda the rigveda is Agni and in a Sanskrit text the first word or the first phrase in the text is something you need to pay attention to everything that goes on in the rest of the text so like in the yoga sutras you should remember that restraining the fluctuations of the mind you should that should be your context for everything that goes so people are


be your context for everything that goes so people are doing asanas all the time but you should be us doing us as not for the uh World Asana competition or to show how great your posture is it's to make your awareness calm and not fluctuate in ayurveda the first word of the one of the big three books is ragadi Rogan all diseases beginning with desire so you have to remember that desire is behind everything you need to find out what the desires of the patient are and that's going to tell you why they were doing whatever they're doing that's caused them to become and well so in the case of The Vedas Agni means fire so the Veda is all about Fire and Fire is all about transformation and the Veda is all about worshiping the fire here is the fire the fire is the thing that has made you and me human beings it's only been the past maybe one and a half million years that humans even started to try to work with fire and


humans even started to try to work with fire and it took hundreds of thousands of years till they really got the confidence to really start trying to control it and but without controlling fire none of this would be here but people have forgotten what relationship we have with the fire and they don't actually ever spend time sitting with the fire what they do nowadays is stay with their screens and the screen has images and it has colors and that's what fire is uh in fact the the basic the base the the the subtle element from which fire comes is called Rupa tan Matra and urupa means form so people are whether they know it or not worshiping the fire when they are looking at their screens but they're doing it without any awareness they're doing it in a in a dull kind of way so having a direct and personal relationship with the actual fire with the flame is something that is really desirable both in the Veda and in Agora so in the Veda you're working with the fire in


in the Veda you're working with the fire in a very um above board kind of way you're starting off with light and you're increasing more and more until everything is complete light in Agora you start with Darkness you start with the things that are most difficult to deal with death old age all the secretions from your body and you stop letting those things interfere with your awareness in a negative way you bring light into yourself by incinerating those parts of your personality that are tying you down to your limited self-definition so that's don't get confused by a bunch of people who are in these cremation grounds and they're showing off because externally they may be doing whatever they're doing but what's really important is what's going on on the inside how they are working with their own skull how they're working with their own bones how they're working with their own fire that's what Agora really is uh I think we're going to address the details of what you just said in the next episode the


of what you just said in the next episode the final question I'll ask you now is that do you think was with us today in this conversation my personal experience is that uh I regularly feel him around and I certainly think that I I do my best to try to to permit him to express himself through me um that's something that I think um anyone who is doing medicine or astrology needs to do you need to be allowing the Shakti the Vidya of medicine or astrology to speak through you not letting your not not permitting your own personality to do that and that applies especially to to spiritual things also you should always be doing your best to minimize your personality and allowing your Guru your devata the allowing reality to speak through you as much as possible so I definitely feel his presence myself okay glad to be doing this with you sir and I'm glad that this was the first episode in this space well may all the future episodes be wonderful thank you thank


all the future episodes be wonderful thank you thank you thank you Son thank you Swami women if you're in there somewhere so really appreciate it so my friends that was an extremely heavy episode of TRS we had to cut this one shot because it was getting too heavy for me to record it it was getting heavy for my teammates in the room and we felt like the subject matter should be divided into two episodes if you enjoyed this one just watch out for the second episode you don't even know what's in store when it comes to that one um it's an honor of my life to be relaying these philosophies from the experts to you guys learning about these philosophies and then sharing it with the community my family that I'm building online podcast is growing into a professional dream that I once had it's becoming purposeful it's becoming meaningful so while I don't want to talk too much about the second episode I want to say a thank you to you guys that you guys


a thank you to you guys that you guys are joining me on this um journey to reveal the truths about our ancient culture about the Indian subcontinent thank you PRS will be back soon make sure you download level Superman to begin or further your own meditation Journey the link is given down below and make sure you follow TRS on Spotify every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world Robertson will return on their NBA show very soon [Music] foreign


like my performance in love article is really horrible like I was not convincing in I am aware of the fact that she's also an expectation game you know after kedarnath and Simba me my mother my brother audiences everybody had a certain expectation because I was decent in these funds I did come out suddenly and it was like oh my God Sarah and then I gave you two back-to-back films where you're like really Sarah so whether you want to go to kedarnath or whether you want to go to mahakaleshwar and watch the aarti or whether you want to be on a movie set trying to get the right shot for the rights you know for the song the fact that your Bop your light men your boom Dada your actor your hairdresser they're all working together to achieve that or everybody in the temple has their eyes shut and they're all praying together that's Synergy and I face them both constantly in the same place so this is a conversation I've been looking forward


place so this is a conversation I've been looking forward to for a very long time because to create a fantastic podcast you need a fantastic mind that's full of intelligence eloquence you need someone who's articulate you need someone who's great at conversation and I knew that Sara Ali Khan is all these things and much more they call her the brightest in her generation and you're gonna see why this is Sarah Ali Khan on the ranveer show make sure you follow TRS on Spotify with Spotify exclusive every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world my meditation app level Superman is also live on the Play Store now make sure you go check it out my friends because meditation is one of the things we've spoken about on this episode and you'll see why you're gonna have fun on this episode it's a very open-ended conversation with someone from the film world something that doesn't happen often enjoy this episode of TRS with the eloquent Sarah Ali Khan [Music] thank


with the eloquent Sarah Ali Khan [Music] thank you you started with a Jai bholenath yes damn son if any of my actors are watching they know that's how a lot of my takes actually start on set also why do you say because what does it mean to you um what does it mean to me good energy okay wow uh it's weird that your first film was about Shiva that comes up a lot on the show does it yeah in the comment sections get Zara really oh really yeah yeah well here I am because we do a lot of Shiva talk on the show oh you do yes okay but I'll begin with the how are you Sarah well I'm fine thank you it's not like we spoke before the camera started not like you already asked me how I was like 16 times so for the 17th time and first time for you all I'm fine thank you yeah I'm really happy that you are gonna Vibe with like water podcasters I don't think too many people know about it even


I don't think too many people know about it even I don't really know about I think especially the film industry Associates these kind of conversations with traditional journalism-based interviews right where journalists are often looking for headlines to get you into trouble yes they are headlines to go viral that is true and we're not going to do that today very good he was hoping who are you dating Sarah she said okay but we love our journalist so it's known about them but uh no I'm very excited about this uh you not fishing for me making the usual mess that I make situation obviously it's going to go deeper I mean yeah okay what's happening in life lately let's change the how are you to what's up lately okay what's up lately as I was telling you uh it's been in touch for a really hectic month I've been shooting I've been traveling I've been working and just getting off January which has like been 31 days of joblessness for me so I think as usual


days of joblessness for me so I think as usual you know there's jobless times and then really busy times and that's what's happening do actors get time to themselves I don't know if there's uh an actor thing necessarily I mean I don't want to generalize but I think that at least as an actor for me there's no way I can predict whether I'm going to stalk you as a friend asking you to come with me to Farmer's Cafe like four times a week because I'm doing nothing or I'm gonna find it actually difficult to meet you even once a month because I've traveled to like six different cities in the past two weeks which is actually the case so it's a bit like you don't really know okay how does Fame feel like uh now at this stage when it's rising you know it feels it's not I don't even know if it's Fame actually anymore I think that there's just a certain amount of scrutiny and there is like now one is a public


and there is like now one is a public figure so one gets a lot of love but one also gets criticism so it's just about I think being known more than being famous I don't know like there's an element of touch me not to the word fame which I don't really think people in our generation feel that much because there's an accessibility to us there's an availability to us there's an ease to us whether it's through Instagram whether it's through the paparazzi whether it's through just the kind of people maybe we are I don't like when you say Fame I just suddenly think you know SRI Devi and Amitabh Bachchan and I don't think that times are like that anymore in my opinion Khan says I'm the last of the superstars I don't think wrong in my opinion again that's not to say that there won't be other superstars I just think the definition the definition of course changes because I think that you know the mystery the aura the elusivity of stardom which


mystery the aura the elusivity of stardom which I think is intrinsic to the very bird stardom is not really there anymore which doesn't mean that you can't be a star but I think you know being aspirational previously has now been replaced with being accessible I think that there definitely has been a shift in that way okay in Miami okay what do you do in your free time Sarah what do I do in my free time I like to travel okay um you go to all these spiritual places amongst other things okay uh you never know it like between New York depending on the month you'll find me on one of those places and I actually enjoy them both equally so uh I firstly don't like free time at all so I try to not have free time but when I do get it uh traveling I love trekking so really I love tracking where do you end up going welcome only welcome I actually want to do the kirganga Trek with my friends I've been meaning no you haven't


with my friends I've been meaning no you haven't it's very crowded though whatever it's beautiful it's like that part of India that landscape I've not seen the anywhere else and I've had to travel a lot because of YouTube but travel all over India but I've never found anything like that is it beautiful it doesn't feel like a part of this country so okay honestly it's a bit of a Stoner town because all and all that that whole area and uh you go upwards from the you have Tosh then you go a little bit upwards and then you have uh it used to be like a whole like Stoner Trek but uh it's also the most beautiful uh part of India that I've seen really tall trees I've never been there I've only trekked in belgaum so I've been to Julian Lake which was actually like a very uh silly decision on our parts because it was not a one day Trek like we should have gone there and stayed the night like normal people and come back the next


the night like normal people and come back the next morning but we decided that we'll go and come back the same day and I can't tell you by the time we reached Julian Lake like we saw the sunset which I love because I'm obsessed with the sun and moon and anybody that follows me on Instagram who has had three conversations with me probably knows this but we've seen the sunset at tulian Lake it's beautiful but now you know what happens after the sunsets it gets dark and you know what happens after that you should not be trekking you know what we did we checked so we've come down this hill Hills and we like we left I think about like no we were supposed to leave at six in the morning because I said let's not check in top son but nobody listened to me we left at like 7 30 and we started coming back down only at six and we've reached at like 3 A.M and it was extremely well tricky not Eerie man


and it was extremely well tricky not Eerie man it was just hard it was just like we couldn't see where we were going Beyond a point and you know how those guys is there a bear like tell me that like I'll scare the Atma but I might not be able to scare the best so is there a bear because that I need to know your opio of animals I believe honestly like at the risk of answering your question with more seriousness than you intended it I believe that you know whether it's even sometimes animals but animals Atma anything if your energies are positive now they don't really mean to harm you like if you're like in a good space and if you're in a good Zone and you mean well like parallel universe our universe every universe will just help you mean well I feel this is what I was looking forward to this conversation I'm telling you I really feel that way I can't take the podcast to these places with um anyone who's famous pretty much


these places with um anyone who's famous pretty much right I think people are not comfortable talking about uh things on the other side of Consciousness like so we have Consciousness in US yes okay and if you go beyond that what happens after death what happens when you're fast asleep without the dreams what happens when you go into very deep meditations no one wants to go there in terms of conversation see I honestly I if I'm being really honest with you it comes with I don't know why they don't want to talk about it but as an actor sometimes I am very aware or have started becoming very aware about what the other person wants to hear and I myself have fallen victim to trying to then cater to that so sometimes like I've spoken to actors that are famous about these things on my own like spiritual stuff not just spiritual stuff anything that's not glitter glamor and gossip but it could be about spirituality it could be about trekking it could be about


it could be about trekking it could be about food you know anything but sometimes I think that there is this misconception or this feeling which could be rooted in a certain form of reality that audiences only want to hear us talk rubbish and because of that we've sometimes feel pressurized to do rubbish and I don't want to talk on behalf of everybody else but this has happened with me it's like it's like this not me than that you know so sometimes I feel being aware about what people like about you you know yeah sometimes it I run the risk of people not taking me seriously not you know understanding that there is depth and gravitas beneath that or above that to just bit that so I don't know if actors are just shy of talking about it or if we have just become a little aware that maybe you don't want to hear us talk about this stuff would you like the digital opinion on this please I'll tell you why please okay so we have access to


tell you why please okay so we have access to a huge amount of data yeah because we've been doing like youtubing for a while now right okay and I consciously believe in hiring really young so I feel even the 22 year olds in my office are seniors now and we have to constantly hire like 18 years um yeah but uh uh I learn a lot from like uh the teenagers the folks in college etc etc okay uh I feel especially post the pandemic the whole world has changed uh I I feel celebrity hold in India really needs podcasts and I'm not saying that because I'm a podcaster etc but I think this is the medium we'll get to show your Human Side more than anything else because see I think in in terms of content this is the age of either really short content or really long gone and people watch it for two reasons people either watch if a time pass and then go with short content or they watch it to really feel something to feel like they've had like a


really feel something to feel like they've had like a michelin's army and I honestly feel in the world of short content you're gonna get choked more and more in terms of what you're able to say but in this medium y'all can really Express Yourself the closest reference point to this in the Indian film industry would be Rendezvous but it was again that was an interview format this is like a real human interaction which is fair because I think times have also you know changed and we have become whether it's actors or whether it's interviews or whether it's even people there is like we are more casual more accessible which is the nature of this podcast as well but still I feel that you know sometimes when you get aware regardless of long format short format sometimes when you're aware of what works it starts not working for you which is something that I think I went through as a person you know my need for being loud borderline attention seeking gregarious came from the fact that started becoming more than it


came from the fact that started becoming more than it needed to so I think that every now and then it's important for us I don't know how this just I just went off no no say say no it's just important for us to kind of go back to being who we are every so often when I was studying in school when I went to Columbia College just generally I feel I was very unapologetically who I am and even at the beginning of my career when I was doing kedarnath when I was doing Simba I was very unapologetically who I am and then maybe like after like a lavajkal and a happened maybe suddenly I had reasons to apologize and I took them very seriously and suddenly I became just a little bit too aware and just a little too you know self-conscious in like a certain way and I started feeling the need to apologize for who I am which is not the way I want to be you know I started why did you feel a need


you know I started why did you feel a need to apologize I don't really even know because I think that whether it's good films bad films part of being an actor is self-exploration right like what do we do we express ourselves we emote we go through different situations fictitiously and we in doing that understand ourselves better both on the deeper level of like oh if you know Rinku had to feel this ISR I have to feel that a little bit so that I can do justice to ananji's set that's one way but also as actual human beings we're put into high pressure situations we see highs we see laws we see Fame we see scrutiny all of that kind of changes you you it takes a toll on you it gives you strength so many different things happen but ultimately the point I'm trying to make is we should be allowed we should allow ourselves to make mistakes and I have made them in the past like what like my performance in love article was really


like what like my performance in love article was really horrible like I was not convincing in um and I think that I am aware of that I am aware of the fact that sees also an expectation game you know after kedarnath and Simba me my mother my brother audiences everybody had a certain expectation because I was decent in these funds I did come out suddenly and it was like oh my God Sarah and then I gave you two back-to-back films where you're like really Sarah and being an actor is such a huge part of who I am but it's not just who I am you know and I really liked unifilm after that which one um but you did I I really liked you know like I felt it like uh I was seeing a woman like in terms of in the others and I loved you in the first two but there was like this whole girl to woman transition because of maybe what happened in the films before that because I remember calling ananji and I remember saying that


I remember calling ananji and I remember saying that listen do you want to like replace me because I nobody knows this I don't like to talk about it much but um released on the 14th of Feb and I was to start shooting for energy on the 26th of Feb so I called him on like the 16th of Feb and I was like listen do you think that I can do this and he was like fear and this playing on the back foot mentality might be something that Sarah does but Rinku doesn't and you're my Rinku and you're never gonna talk to me like that ever again and it made me realize that I just have to keep moving forward acknowledging the mistakes that I've made learning from the mistakes that I've made but also allowing myself to make them and I think that I became really quite harsh on myself after Kuli have you ever gone one day or deep and asked yourself what went on there I think I lost sense of reality and I started doing


think I lost sense of reality and I started doing things just there were I wasn't fully convinced about you know um I think there was an element of fakeness to me during that time which was what all you know and I'm not formally trained as an actor as even a human being if you speak to me you're like yeah she's got zero training send her to the doctrine and make her like learning like really you know I'm like I I'm not uh I don't have I'm not a manicure person at all and what that does is that leaves me very susceptible and only dependent on Instinct so if I myself am going to pollute that instinct with fakeness then I am really left with nothing because all I have going for myself is what am I really doing because of the glitz and Glam not just for the glitz and Glam but yeah part of you know I think so that kind of started to happen and I'm I'm over that I don't want to be that


I'm over that I don't want to be that person anymore I don't want to apologize anymore don't apologize just tell us who you're dating no I'm kidding I'm kidding I'm kidding it's great no no we're not gonna go there yet I love it uh uh hmm so many questions for yourself please ask me uh uh what is this journey of becoming real like now you said you're meditating right before the shoot started yes I see eyesight you're meditating I think how did you get that I'm meditating real recognize real homie how long have you been meditating I've been married eight years now wow and it it's too important for a creative professional life um so I I feel initially you just need to be consistent with anything yeah I was consistent with my basic forms at the start it was just om chanting like you just take a deep breath in um and you do that for 20 minutes and when you open your eyes everything's more saturated your karma everything's nicer


eyes everything's more saturated your karma everything's nicer and then after point I just figured I want more I want something deeper so I went to all these different meditation schools which are all available in India right and then I connected to the one which I connected too much it's called yss yogodas at sung Society it's a autobiography of a yogi the book uh it's their school and it's like a martial art in terms of Advanced meditations are all about following disciplines following certain steps in your meditation and if you're able to do that really well uh the more you increase your discipline with those steps and those protocols the tip of your meditations go on the deeper your meditations go the more you see that materialism chases you and happiness chases you and you don't need to chase anything other than the discipline and spiritual growth but it's not something that everyone understands because it's all on the other side of discipline so um I'm open to tell you because you asked


um I'm open to tell you because you asked but I won't even bring this up on the show myself okay because I don't think it's everyone's cup of tea it's not see that again exactly what did you just say why are you not telling me about this because you don't think it's everybody else's cup of tea the second we start making assumptions on other people's cups of tea and coffee we start showing especially somebody like me because I'm quite The Eclectic person like I can go you know in Indian clothes to a temple and it's me it is actually me I enjoy doing it but I can also wear shorts and go to the gym or wear a bikini and go to Maldives or wear mufflers and roam around New York and they're all parts of me so sometimes when you are very aware about what this person likes it could be in a relationship it could be in a professional setting it could be at an interview if I start calculating that us you put so


if I start calculating that us you put so much of it that sometimes you tend to overdo it so it's just nice to make like some neutral cups of green people every now and then which is my Endeavor right now you know Hmm this is becoming fun now Sarah ah dude okay so I want to ask you what kind of meditation you're doing and how did you get into it so Ami Patel um who's my stylist um and also meditation teacher uh made me do this happiness program and she taught me the sudarshan kriya Oh okay that's really powerful to begin with would go on so that's what I do and then I've done uh the search meditation and then we do full moon meditations every full moon seventh March is the next one and uh yeah that's what I do so this whole thing is like a subject in the same way that weight training would be a subject now you can keep going deeper yes even this is like a subject uh and there's stuff to learn


is like a subject uh and there's stuff to learn at every next level of course I'll give you a nugget uh the full moon meditations work even better if you can do a full day water fast like if you can just drink water but nothing else yeah but and the thing is if you do it for the first time it'll be insanely difficult and then post the first time it'll be damning fluid you know what I should do ask my directors to shoot songs with me the day after full moon it'll be like I'll not eat anything just have water do my meditation and then shoot a song the next day not a bad idea quite the balance of like what Sarah's all about you'll see this process of like consistent meditation really helping you with your creativity like there'll be such insane ideas in your head like you'll be able to do the same scene and I'm telling you as an actor your writer I've said it in a writing uh sense you'll be able to do the same scene in


sense you'll be able to do the same scene in 10 more ways than you knew you were even capable of like new emotions will be present in your life my favorite thing about meditation is that I don't really like if purchasing happens great but like I know a lot of people that say meditation helps with anxiety meditation helps with this meditation ups with that the fact that I of course want to grow as an actor I mean I would it behooves me to know how to do a scene in 10 different ways and there's so much that I want to do I'm a very ambitious girl honestly unapologetically so and there's so much that I want to do so of course if meditation helps with that great sometimes I do get anxious sometimes I do feel not great if meditation happens to that also great but actually I just do meditation because I like it like the fact that I'm doing it without an ulterior purpose is amazing you know okay I've built out a meditation


amazing you know okay I've built out a meditation app to train people to begin the process uh and the Big Challenge you're facing is that young people think it's boring I think it's a waste of time and I've just realized that not that we're not young but I'm very young I mean teenagers right uh so uh you need to see some amount of pain to be able to really appreciate the meditation and uh I I that's why I feel a lot of people in their 20s actually end up taking it up because this is some pain prior to that and it could be anxiety it could be some sort of failure uh which gives them the possibility of this one weird activity being a fix for a lot of parts I don't really know if pain is it but definitely experience which and and pain is probably part of experience so you're right but for me I think it's just that little bit of terrav you know you need like that little bit of like energy then you can you know


little bit of like energy then you can you know re-evaluate the things that matter yeah and even like not even as a teenager but even when I started at that time the amount of like energy that I had and when I say energy it doesn't mean that I don't have energy today I'm quite energetic girl but in terms of just like being slightly all over the place as opposed to at least acknowledging the need to channelize your energy which is a very recent Endeavor on my part I find it really cool that your journey began I find it really cool too um and I know there was this whole thing about what's your real debut film but then that's your real name is my real debut film first set I have been on first time you saw me in the theater what else is the debut when you're shooting that film did the cast and crew feel this presence of Shiva or anything see I don't know about everybody um but I think that for me whether you want to go


I think that for me whether you want to go to kedarnath or whether you want to go to mahakaleshwar and watch the aarti or whether you want to be on a movie set trying to get the right shot for the rights you know for the song the fact that you're Bop your light men your boom Dada your actor your hairdresser they're all working together to achieve that or everybody in the temple has their eyes shut and they all praying together that's Synergy and I face them both constantly in the same place I would go for the aarti in kedarnath feel that energy come the whole day with gattus and sushant feel that energy and it was just double energy of the most positive form of energy in my opinion uh consecration like and lots of people say yeah I don't really believe in like you know so I don't even know what it was but it was just the best experience you were born to be in movies what was the film industry like growing up and


movies what was the film industry like growing up and uh distant because I lived with mom lived with mom who was not really working so and even my father even today like now he's doing like so much work but at least socially they're not very fill me like I don't have filmy friends like I'm friendly with John me and ananya and radhika but that's no you know like I met them kind of on my own like I might have met them years ago somewhere but never really it wasn't like you know we're going around like hanging out at like these Diwali parties with our mums like that wasn't the vibe at least for me so I had the first film set that I'd really been on and I've said this before is I never really been and both my parents and now I understand it having been an actor don't really encourage visitation on set you know like when you're in do you know when you're shooting a film and you're on a set you try to


a film and you're on a set you try to be fully there you know so you don't really want your little Bacha coming there and asking questions and befriending your co-actor so I wasn't really very privy to a lot of these experiences till they started happening with me you mentioned your dad dad gave me one of my best podcasts that we've ever heard yeah and I was very at my job back then because foreign 2019 okay yeah halfway through 2019. he was very patient with me like in terms of he was one of the best possible guests you could have really yeah one of my guys fainted and fell on him in the middle of the shoe he would have loved your eloquence and your like he he would have also loved the language that you speak to him in ah this is his preferred language I think little Highwaymen no not having in the wind the father like he likes uh like you have you have a genuine wipe to you you know you're not like here to


wipe to you you know you're not like here to get the headlines I think am I am I sorry maybe I am you are you maybe it's wrapped up in the middle of all which is great like as long as you can tactfully fool us we're good like that's what it's about right it's all about what we perceive I'm not so I think that that's what Abba liked about you you're very open to speak with which is yeah yeah and and so is your dad by the way yeah uh very open dude like you know every podcast teaches me something or something rubs off and uh his eloquence and his classiness rubbed off him he's a really classy guy and by class I mean core rule is respect everyone at all 100 it's too respectful and that's that's the core of his classiness always you know like I I still remember him telling my brother also this one time that um my Ibraham had come in late for dinner for lunch with my father and you know


dinner for lunch with my father and you know like Abba was beating and all zebra and the waiter came and he said and he sat down you know he was in a bit of a rush and I was like you know no matter how much of a rush you're in always does that usually you know ibrahim's the more Ibrahim is like my father like that they're both supremely respectful to everybody the first thing is like ramesho you know to the driver lift men chatting so that like egalitarian you know just respect is something that I think my father's inculcated in his children yeah uh there was a message in there for you I asked him a question about you I remember and then his basic answer was that she's gonna figure out her own path like I'm I don't have any mess for uh my question to you is what did you figure about this world that you're in now after seeing your dad's Journey like you know did you observe did you keep a track I observed that he


observe did you keep a track I observed that he kept bouncing back that's the only real thing to observe because otherwise most of the experiences it is that I've had as an actor are very internal so the observation needn't necessarily be external but what I observed about him is that whether he does a film that does really badly or whether he does a film that does superbly well by Monday he's normal again and I think that's very very important but I also observe about him on a daily basis is that he really lives by having a balance between his personal and professional life he takes his book very very seriously but his family matters to him the need for experiences outside of bandra and juhu matter to him the need for going into the countryside and just hanging out matters to him and I think that in the world that we live in sometimes it's perceived as lack of ambition lack of focus to have desires external to the films but I think that in the long run it's necessary


but I think that in the long run it's necessary what do you mean like like so many people like sometimes it it can become a mindset that I want to work 365 days a year and if you don't you're like but that's not always the case like it's not you know TV you know that does happen I'm serious I'm telling you go on that's the case you know so it shouldn't be like that you should be able to take some time off every now and then because it also helps yeah you know it helps you unwind it helps you kind of refigure yourself a little bit I remember when I was shooting for lakshman sir uh in Indore and then I had to start shooting for Gaslight like five days later and I just went to Kashmir for three days I called up one of my best friends Manan and I was like I'm coming to palgham and gulmark and he's like just come and I was in the snow and I was you know just like


in the snow and I was you know just like waking up early and having you know doing whatever I like to do walking around tazi Hawa and it helps it helps you reset a little bit especially if you give the job everything which most of us do I think now then you invest so much of yourself that you need to kind of take it back a little bit same thing happened after I shot Everton which is a film that I'm shooting after a shot I wanted to take a little bit of a break with my mom I took the break now I'm shooting with homie in Delhi so it's important I think to keep taking breaks I think it also builds character traveling 100 experience character both is your mom mentoring you who's mentoring um I have a lot of people that I turn to for advice mom doing the top three on the list but I don't know if it's mentoring because um yeah I mean she gives me her advice but like my father said to you on the


advice but like my father said to you on the show on your podcast mom has a similar approach that you she learned with her own experiences and I think they're both pretty comfortable in the fact that they've raised a strong daughter so once you know that she's probably not gonna drown you can leave her to swim and she'll figure her Strokes out which is I think what's happening hmm you said you're ambitious I am so how far how far do you want the furthest how far shouldn't be able to answer let's quantify it a little bit just beyond how how much beyond beyond anyone or anything else there's no anyone that's where I want to be okay but it's not about a benchmark okay it's about just being better than I am every single day and so much better that I'm just my best you think you're gonna get them yeah okay do you ever doubt yourself um do I have a doubt myself no okay cool why are you smiling just good


no okay cool why are you smiling just good I'm happy yeah it's like positive ambitious energy dude that you're bringing to the show feels with Gen Z's too much self-doubt it's it's almost like no I don't know but that's why I thought for a second it wasn't just like an empty pose there you know I think that it's it's gonna sound weird but those who think they can't and those who think they can are both almost always right [Music] so if I stop that's why you know like I know that I've made mistakes like we discussed whether it's even you know people pleasing to a certain degree over compensating I realize now maybe like whether it was with ananji with lakshman Sir with kannan Sir with Pawan sir now with homie like I'm not trying to entertain on the set anymore I think maybe I was doing that during like and lava because I wasn't convinced about my craft and that's a really uncomfortable place to be in


and that's a really uncomfortable place to be in you know when you're like okay fine like maybe I'm not the best actor but at least I'm the coolest Joker on the set like that's not what you're here to do using your energy just frivolously is something that I've done before and I just don't want to do anymore so the point I'm trying to make is yes there are moments where one does question that yeah will I be able to do it but if you really entertain that thought for too long it's not healthy because if you yourself take away your chance the world is here to pull you down anyway do you cry like because of this no in general yeah in general what do you proud when I feel like low sometimes I cry because I've realized I feel much better after it it's cathartic for sure what do we know about uh honestly when I've given to give it to me time I feel a little low [Applause] okay all right okay okay cool restlessness


[Applause] okay all right okay okay cool restlessness makes me cry okay because of the ambition angle that you want to go really far and you think you're losing out on time okay story of a whole generation dude short [Music] people don't listen we say this to everyone this is a very easy podcast for me honestly tell me the worst phase of your life 2020. this whole everything I think 2020 just got progressively worse every month for me the worst phase of your life I was 20 20. some breakup situation it started with that but it kept getting worse okay so let's talk about 2020 a little oh what do you want to know it was a bad year it was just a very bad year most of it's on the internet so really yeah how do you feel about that so when things are really see that's the thing you know even about like trolling or whatever sometimes when you know you deserve it trolling I mean or when sometimes something's really bad the fact that it's on the


something's really bad the fact that it's on the Internet is so incidental and so trivial compared to the fact that it happened then it doesn't really matter you know what I'm saying like if you're heartbroken if you're miserable if you're exhausted if you're scared if you're nervous okay foreign [Music] um you look at me evil eye bad thing happened in my life I'm not happy because you not happy your life you look at me jealous I not do well you leave do you think it's digital this is what I would say do you think this digital buzzer there's nothing anywhere I think okay yeah okay I definitely think that jealousy and envy are a thing even now in your life do you see Envy around you yeah let's see around you yeah for your competition not necessarily maybe least not their management maybe maybe that's possible I've been around enough it's always the the talent was very chill and normal because but it's true there is uh which is why I'm


it's true there is uh which is why I'm actually very lucky because whether it's my management whether it's my hair makeup my spot girl who's been with my mother since my mother's seven months pregnant with me so she's known me for like many years no numbers needed like the fact of the matter is that it's up to us to surround ourselves by people with people that will keep us real and grounded because it is a job that can allow you to fly so I have that anchor for sure yeah um but you you sense a sense of competition from other people so competition is the healthy thing even I have this sense of competition you do 100 you use it to motivate yourself 100 we all do okay we all do it's very important like I was recently in Qatar with ananya and this lady asked us oh my God you all are best friends and she was joking and I actually like said you know when really not and that's why we're actual friends because we're not pretending to be best


actual friends because we're not pretending to be best friends she's not my best friend but I love her I love hanging out with her we had a blast in Qatar her lunch dinner spent the whole day together it was superb with the understanding that I'll probably see her two months later and that's great because it's real also she understands your reality more than anyone else 100 100 percent okay what do you talk about me if you want a career tangent this is the funnest of them all I would say so conversations I won't talk to you about it's really not spirituality or trick I'll tell you that well then what is this that's all right what about janvi we sometimes talk about spirituality oh really yeah yeah amongst other things she's also a little bit fun a cheese okay okay cool um what were we talking okay yeah you speaking about ankles it's important I think in life to just be but sometimes I don't even like you can choose not to have it like it's up


you can choose not to have it like it's up to you to be surrounded by people that keep you real like Ibrahim will come home and call me fatty no matter what like even if I've just shot like Chaka Chuck and you can see abs like everybody can see them man come on I'm starving I was literally fainting like don't call me fatty and he's like you will always be fat fine it's really but so you know yeah um I grew up overweight as well you're right I was an overweight I broke the weighing scale it was a difference [Music] um there's a little fat kid inside me who still would die it doesn't go on yeah I would die to eat pizza even like today I would diet or like eat the same way I did 100 me too and that fat complex is in the brain yeah forever I think stays a little bit like even I get a little conscious on camera just about that one no I get like I I told our dop three times today


like I I told our dop three times today to take the camera higher because I just didn't want to be shot from now uh wanna bring in something you remember we met at this award function recently there was a summer award function we might have last year there's such few of you there's something I met you at and I've seen you after a very long time uh and my first reaction was dude you're looking so nice but that was one fat kid talking to like another fat kid that good you know it's really it's really good uh seeing this version of you but I also want to know about like the the overweight version what was going on in your head then were you like still confident you'd like lose all the weight you know what also happens sometimes now is you can go into a downward spiral with anything so when you wake up in the morning and you're like 85 kgs and nothing really fits you're like 85 to 96 like what difference does it really make which is the worst


what difference does it really make which is the worst way to be and that's what started happening to me because I was in college and I was already fat and I was like so now factor means what like that is fat so then let me just eat the brownie buy the brownie let me eat all the brownies that started happening which is something that like obviously like maybe with weight one is learned to control little bit even though I do have problems with weight I have problems with weight till now really yes problems in Jan I was over with again I was told to lose weight yeah my thighs became chunky my face became big that does happen I really have to be extremely mindful of what I'm eating go to a Qatar with ananya and you don't want to see her again for a month like we had pizza for lunch and sushi for dinner I'm really like not forgiving or she ordered the dessert and didn't eat it I finished it hate her a little bit whatever


it I finished it hate her a little bit whatever but anyway it was planned sir no no no no no no no no no but you know it it's it's important to keep staying on track with weight for me very important okay yeah what got into you at that point uh in order to lose weight really okay moments that I want to offer you a film but you need to like lose one third of you if I'm being polite half if I'm being accurate and I said okay fine I'll try how much weight did you lose 45 kgs plus I was 96 and when I shot I was 53 54. that's like the weight right now I'm about 57 . I'll be 56 by the time I'm on my set in a week 56 is okay to shoot 54 for songs bam okay yeah what did you eat in order to become 96k just pizzas pizzas Burgers triple chocolate you know like today if you told me I can have three chicken triple chocolate chip brownies for breakfast I


chicken triple chocolate chip brownies for breakfast I would remember every bite I don't even remember like just inhale them like popcorn yeah I know exactly motivation is required though for me I'm somebody that like works very hard on motivation so when there's an end goal in mind almost nothing is impossible you plug in the runway show like you start jogging yeah no but how do you motivate yourself actually by realizing also you know like I was huge man like it was not healthy on any level it was hormonally affecting me which still happens every time I overeat design the other whenever I'm touching that 60 kg Mark you can start seeing that I'm not feeling okay because this is a very real conversation I'm gonna tell you that out of everything you've said this is the one thing that can get you into trouble because right now the internet is sensitive about even this but it's okay like you what's the thing that um oh how could she say this about overweight people but


oh how could she say this about overweight people but I think when you're overweight yourself you have a ticket what am I saying about overweight people that's wrong actually like I I'm just saying that if you eat rubbish it's going to affect your mental health also yeah because you're going to look in the mirror and be like why am I doing this and your hormones are going to go through the roof I think that it's very important for overweight people to hear this it's very important for overweight people and nobody's saying that you need to be 54 kgs to shoot songs because maybe you don't have to shoot songs but you definitely should keep check on what you're eating because it affects more than just your visual appearance it affects your hormone balance and that's extremely important yeah I think overweight people should hear this the way I also look at it is that it ends up affecting people around you as well because if your hormones and your mental health is 100 and especially like


and your mental health is 100 and especially like my mom she used to be like it kills me to see you not care about yourself I have no problem with you eating pizzas but just eating them like you know with that craziness in your mind and your body language like you don't give a damn about yourself that's mentality bothers me what were you running away from I don't know but there was something you were running away from and I was just hopeless at that time I didn't think that there would be a better tomorrow so I was like let me just enjoy the food at least you look back at your childhood positively very yeah very okay I don't hold anything against anybody in my life about my childhood I think that everything that happened has made me who I am today and I'm quite proud of that I asked you this because for me it was that there was some rough that happened in my childhood which I used uh which I escaped from through food and then eventually a


which I escaped from through food and then eventually a little bit of like other stuff food is a big escape the second I'm low like the last time I felt like a bit upset like five days ago and I ate a lot of sweet and I'm on a very strict diet I shouldn't be doing that but I felt it and I I did eat that does happen talk about your mom a little bit dude I'll tell you why um I told my cook that uh Sarah Ali Khan is going to be on the show and uh he said Amrita Singh's daughter and then he went on his whole like 80s and 90s movies trips so I want to know about your mom because there's actually not a lot of content around it there's one baby so Mom is mom is Mom man she's the coolest woman ever she's the epitome of strength she is as strong and fierce as she's just like extremely soft she lives only for me any Brian her purpose in life is for Ibraham and me


her purpose in life is for Ibraham and me to be happy and when I say happy I mean happy doesn't give a damn about anything she celebrated atrangi so much and she never abused me for love and that means so much to me because the first thing I felt after La article released is how am I going to show my mom my face and she never made that an issue you know and she was superb about everything like I'm a very hard person to actually live with I go through like Yay it's a good day and you have to deal with both those emotions and she does superbly she's I'm a very hectic Traveler so whenever we're like in London or New York like I'm always on the move so she Bales in and out of that but she's my ideal holiday buddy like today only a friend of mine was saying yes oh no sorry in Qatar only we were talking actually so Tanya me my hairdressers so we were sitting and we were talking and they were


were sitting and we were talking and they were like that way Sarah's very good with her mom she takes her on holiday and all and I was like no but it's not a selfless thing it's not like an activity she is the person I would want to Holiday with for sure you finish everything and you're about to start a film with homie sir who do you want to vacation with Mom for sure apart from the tracks because like I'm smart I'm not work out well for anyone definitely not like we'd not move I love you Mommy so yeah apart from the trekking um like she's she's just my favorite okay uh is she keeping a track of your career like at this point very actively she's already happy okay so she's she's never really been a fiercely ambitious person she just wants me to be peaceful and she can she knows me better than I know myself so she knows that I do have this semi-destructive trait uh which comes from free time which is why we


uh which comes from free time which is why we all hate it in my life so I think that as long as I'm happy and peaceful mom's good what's incomplete about your life at this stage that's incomplete about my life I haven't done the work that I want to do I haven't worked with the directors that I want to work with do you know who M.C Stan is he won Big Boss recently okay uh he's grown up on the streets he's legitimately Hood okay same thing to say that life is too determined by circumstance yeah and Destiny for sure like people say that it's about hard work it is but only about 20 100 it's about luck and Destiny both now go on but yeah that's the only thing that just work just work everything else I'm fully fine okay so you're single now yes you're single I'm single I'm single like being single I love being single what do you like about it the ability to focus on like what needs to be focused on which is work


like what needs to be focused on which is work which is work no more than just work yeah work friends food traveling self-discovery meditation movies fun nice yes I like I like how we bring meditation back in no it's true like you get time for everything you know I think that contrary to popular belief I'm a overtly giving person so sometimes relationships can really take if you're like just like I I I I I give a lot of time energy mental space what do you like as a girlfriend not easy tell us what you like as a girlfriend Sarah I'm a cool chick man like I I let you do you which is important but uh they can be needy moments like I spend time with me you know what's your love language time yeah for sure anything else quality time okay no I I hate gifts I hate gifts I I have this mental thing in my head that gifts are and it's not true like to all those gift loving women like you know go ahead digging but like


women like you know go ahead digging but like the the truth is for me somehow now in my mind gifts are a replacement to emotional availability and I hate that it's like I I have this vision of this big dining table and like my husband on one corner and me on one corner and like gifts in the middle and us not being able to talk because we're so far away and then I have this vision of like a small little giftless table with us like eating from the same plate and I much prefer them I have jokes that I'm holding back a lot to respect your privacy yeah then do that uh but we'll talk about uh gifting see I mean I I don't I'm not a gift like gifts is on my way Quality quality time yeah yeah uh words of affirmation words of affirmation I don't really need your like access service I'll do it on my own okay uh unless I can't those are always welcome but uh other than those acts which comes in physical you know quality time


those acts which comes in physical you know quality time so yeah quality time and uh words are you possessive as a girlfriend no not at all no so if your man's getting attention from other people really yeah okay what's bothersome about you as a girlfriend I can be um I I think maybe it's pretty much the same thing I can go from like meet me four times a week like I can't talk to you this month a lot of erraticness and work comes first and uh I'm not um shy to admit that so sometimes people can think that they're taking a back seat in my life because of that you want a family life of course you don't want kids first or daughter yeah yeah for sure first or daughter then a son you have any point in your head where you'd want that like how old do I want to be yeah um I think like 32 first kid okay okay five second kid just like it's like people don't ask this question often yeah I think 32. yeah okay hopefully I mean


often yeah I think 32. yeah okay hopefully I mean I'll get to 32 hopefully the kid also hopefully Khan almost done with this podcast uh very very nice podcaster we have in front of us that's what I genuinely say I also don't think I'm bad at it yeah you're really good with knowing exactly what to say and exactly where to stop talking which is a very important thing yeah I'm actually thinking in my head that like I haven't really said anything I didn't want to say shouldn't tell people I'm needy that's not the right thing to say but I said it and now I repeated it apart from that I think I was okay I also said I'm cool right I'm cool also what's the best thing about uh girlfriending Sarah foreign this is generally and it's a larger problem for me I have a problem with this can I have a go at it please okay so I think I think it'd be like a really supportive partner I am uh I'll tell you from a


partner I am uh I'll tell you from a guy's perspective because there there's a lot of narratives about what women need in relationships and very few narratives about what guys need in relationships and I feel the modern Indian guy needs a lot of support oh really yeah not support um because I've and it's not our dads is faults but generally that generation of Indian dads wasn't taught how to be dads and there was a lot of stuff that went wrong there no I think that I I whether it's even like I don't even know in relationships but whether it's with friends with contemporaries with family members I can really celebrate your successes as my own so supportive would be quite second nature too yeah and the secure aspect would also be a very big 100 point no sometimes people like that I don't care Sara Ali Khan that's all that's all for today so this is your first podcasting experience you're all right I'm great what do you mean why do you keep asking like you're


do you mean why do you keep asking like you're gonna do a touchar on me I'm fine only yeah I've been fine since I came here having fun had fun today a lot I wish you all the love and success beta May everything in your life go nicely may you get to exactly where you want to be and may your intermittent fasting Beyond time I guess it's not happening seriously all the best uh you're gonna get to where you wish to go and uh the universe is going to give it to you Sarah God willing so enjoy yourself see you soon thank you that was The Splendid episode today speaking to Sara Ali Khan's dad was one of the highlights in my early podcasting career and I was honestly so bad at podcast back then podcasts in the truest sense about free-flowing conversation something I've only learned maybe in the last year but you need a great conversationalist on the other end to really produce a great content piece I'd love to know from you


a great content piece I'd love to know from you guys how we can take TRS even further what kind of improvements would you like what I will say about Sara Ali Khan is that you know after speaking to someone for an hour an hour and a half you get to see the real version of them and there's still some people who manage to hide a certain aspect of themselves at the end of those 90 minutes I don't think Sarah Khan is one of those people I feel like she really opened up on this episode and people will get to know her personality every time they listen to this podcast it's taken years of studying and books and intelligence gathering to create this mind that I'm looking forward to hosting her again every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world my meditation app level supermind is now live on the App Store on the Play Store make sure you go download it from the link given down below and until next time guys another Splendid


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