believe that either it was an accidental release or an engineer released by china but we will not know until many many years later i think there's clearly some some sort of foul play do you think it's bio weapons it's a possibility the chinese have a bio weapons program when the ebola outbreak happened in uh about 10 years ago they sent their scientists ostensibly to to provide aid to the affected people but the true true reason was to get samples of the virus oh god so wherever there is some new outbreak the chinese send scientists and doctors over there the main purpose is to get samples and then they can play around with those again speaking to your inner physicist who also has a spiritual side do you believe that countries have karma and it comes back to bite them it does and in your lifetime what do you think will happen if a country is doing so much because china is doing bad on a worldwide scale and this is not me being creating a narrative this is what


not me being creating a narrative this is what most of the people we've had on the podcast have said and these are the smartest people i have ever met my life the most qualified people what's your take see i do not wish anything bad to the chinese people the chinese people are innocent victims i i have known many chinese people they're all nice people individually it is this government and this communist party which is intent on ruining ruining the world i hope that china will see a transition to a better form of government china should follow its own system i'm not saying they should embrace democracy or some western system maybe they should have a benevolent emperor like they used to have in the past so they should embrace their own their own culture their own their own past and hopefully something less oppressive and less less evil in the chinese communist party i don't wish anything bad on the chinese people i don't want them to suffer you know with everything that's happening if if this


you know with everything that's happening if if this actually was a bioengineered virus which has caused so much death misery uh chaos all over the world so say let's let's actually kind of delve deep into this conspiracy theory as the last part of this podcast um what would be the intention of china by releasing a virus like this which changes up economies all over the world it changes our behavioral patterns what's in it for them and what actually happened on like a very macro scale if you can highlight well one of the first impacts was on the 2020 u.s presidential election the incumbent was kicked out of office caused instability absolutely i mean one of the major factors was the koi pandemic in the u.s and trump was perceived as not acting swiftly enough and decisively enough the media may have created this perception but whatever happened trump went out of power trump was extremely anti-china he was engaging in this entire trade war with the chinese


engaging in this entire trade war with the chinese and it was really hurting the chinese so if we were to believe this conspiracy theory then the first impact was that it changed the outcome of the u.s presidential election and some people call mr biden beijing biden because he is more pro-china than trump so yeah it's had a very good outcome for china that way quickly could you highlight aspects of the trade war that happened between trump and china so essentially trump was imposing very high tariffs on certain chinese items the kind of items that china was dumping into the u.s for very low prices so if you impose high tariffs then the chinese products will not be low priced and so it will not be profitable to china for china to make money out of out of these exports that is just one aspect of the chain of the trade war he was influencing other countries also into go for example china australia australia relations have really deteriorated in the past one or


relations have really deteriorated in the past one or two years there is also in a consequence of this entire activity so the entire climate was becoming very very empty china and that's what possibly china could have helped preclude by releasing a virus and changing the whole preoccupation of the world like island people were starting to hate on china and they said no no wait just take this virus now you have your own problem to deal with and then nowadays the chinese are are putting forward this theory that it's not really a chinese virus it's come from somewhere else so then they can wash their hands off the responsibility for of for what happened but on an economic level did it have other impacts like did it you know yes so for example the entire world economy ground to a halt for many months it's still not recovered the chinese economy is just chugging along because they don't give a damn about the death toll in china we don't know how many deaths have happened in


don't know how many deaths have happened in china the figures have never been released beyond the first initial burst of of uh cases so we don't have any reliable statistics of the coronavirus cases and deaths in china and it doesn't really matter because human life is cheap in china as at least for the communist party so the chinese economy is just checking along happily strong and the rest of the world is down so that gives china an enormous advantage in the long run just this one or two year burst absolutely and for you know god knows maybe it'll be like a five year burst we don't know how long it is yeah we don't know that yeah it's still going on like in a big way in a big way yeah man um is there anything else from a long-term perspective like do you believe that there will be more viruses like this say if this was a bio weapon do you believe that there could be more bio weapons that china could use to their advantage it is


weapons that china could use to their advantage it is possible the technology does exist the research does exist we can manipulate dna we can we can manipulate individual genes so we can create we can take two viruses and combine the characteristics so the technology does exist i'm sure people are researching that so yes it is possible that it may happen in the future with a more deadly virus the coronavirus has fortunately not been as deadly as we expected it to be but in the future what if you have an airborne strain of the ebola virus the ebola virus has a 60 or 70 percent modality mortality rate that would decimate the world if that would were to happen hypothetically so the possibility is always there it all depends on who's willing to do what how far are you willing to go in your pursuit of global domination but how do you fight against this well you have to be prepared for all kinds of eventualities if if you see it's like computer viruses you have computer


you see it's like computer viruses you have computer viruses and you have companies like norton simon tech mcafee etc who develop defenses against all possible viruses past present and future so similarly we know what kind of viruses are there in the in the biological domain so we need to have companies or institutions or agencies which proactively try to develop vaccines and and combat and defenses against potential future bioengineered viruses and all that well the final question is in this chaotic new world that we're living in where an entire generation has had its world war three in the form of covid what's your advice for two kinds of youth indian youth and international youth i would say that you need to empower yourself by learning about the world and essentially what's happening right now is there's a lot of propaganda and disinformation one of the terms that's thrown around is fake news so the entire media today is essentially it is either serving some political party or some agenda somewhere or something like


some political party or some agenda somewhere or something like that so it's very hard to know what the truth is and what what what is lies and today that's the biggest conundrum people are facing there is a deluge of information social media everything everything is free for consumption but you no longer know what is the truth so people need to develop their ability to to sense out what news is true what is fake and the only way to do that is to learn history so that you cannot say so that if somebody is putting a certain version of something out you will know that there is no cause and effect from historical precedent if you do that then you can make empowered choices in the right choices in your in your life otherwise you're gonna just be sheep following the agenda of the of the hidden masters and whoever is running the world essentially the problem is that the real power centers of the world are not necessarily part of the electoral process there are power centers in every country that are outside the


are power centers in every country that are outside the electoral process these are quasi-permanent power centers and they rule they run the world behind the scenes i'm not talking conspiracy theories there not the illuminati not the illuminati or anything but there are certain power structures like that so we need to be aware of all these things and this is a message for indian youth as well as foreign youth everybody we need to learn world history you have to learn the history of the world in that of your own country and try to see the cause and effect chain the most important thing about history is causality there's a cause and effect chain if something happens to there is a reason why it's happening there's a long cause and effect change that goes back many years sometimes centuries if you can develop the ability to see this then you will make the right choices in the world and you will not fall prey to misinformation and propaganda so that is the most important quality we need to develop today


is the most important quality we need to develop today everybody would you say stop consuming mainstream media or consumer buffet of mainstream media i would say consumer buffet because you need to know who's sporting what propaganda too that also is important so the best way to to consume information is to consume it from a variety of sources and then try to fill in the blanks yourself and try to using your own judgment and wisdom try to understand what's really happening thank you for being on another episode of the runway show i'll be linking all of your links down below please go follow please go subscribe to his youtube channel as well and guys comment down below we've covered historical topics we've done physics this is the first uh geopolitical podcast we've created hope you enjoyed it this was our third episode with mr abhijit ciao i'll also link the other two beautiful episodes we've created so this was a beautiful shoot day thank you my pleasure thank you very much for having me it was a


thank you very much for having me it was a real great experience likewise here's to many many many many many many many many many more conversations absolutely thank you thank you hey guys i hope you enjoyed this episode it was an eye-opener for me i feel like if you want to actually absorb news if you want to absorb what has happened in the last 20 years on a world stage ask the people who've studied that side of things inside out don't just rely on the news you've watched on tv don't just rely on some random youtube channels don't watch the stuff that's told to you get a lot of information sent to you process it yourself and then come up with your own conclusions that was the big reason we spoke about geopolitics on this show for the first time of course abhijit chavra is going to return on the runway show with a lot of other topics we're going to talk about the universe about history and of course about geopolitics please comment down below i


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from india to the world and from the world to india trs has always been about getting the best international minds on the runway show i feel there's a lot to learn from american culture american entrepreneurship and some iconic american entrepreneurs that's what grant cardone is all about his story is one of the most inspirational stories out there in the general business world in the content world today grant cardone is sharing some of his best nuggets of wisdom on the runway show make sure you follow us on spotify we're a spotify exclusive now which means every episode will be available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world but for now it's grant cardone gc on the runway show [Music] mr gc mr grant cardone it's more than an honor having you on this show the people who inspire me are inspired by you so you don't know what this is like for me thank you well hey i'm as i'm as uh i'm proud to be with you on this call so


proud to be with you on this call so it's it's my pleasure my honor and you and i will never do this again like this so i i look forward to uh what we explore and learn from one another i am hoping to host you in india when you're here you have a lot of old-school fans in india especially from you know the sales part of this country the digital marketing part of this country you've got a lot of people who look up to you uh well i cannot wait to come to india i've never been i've read about it i've read uh you know some old scripture and stuff from from you know history and and so i look forward to coming there and meeting the people every time i meet somebody from there like our hearts connect and i connect with the people and the hustle and the interest in family uh all that really resonates with me yeah um a mentor of mine once told me that ranvir your goal should be to become an indian version of grant


should be to become an indian version of grant cardone so since that day i have been like reading up a lot about you the first video i ever saw of yours was about your drug abuse when you were younger and i went through a similar phase like when i was in college i don't know how intense your face was and i believe it was very very intense but it was more intense than yours was my friend uh what was the peak of your bad phase like and what were the thoughts in your head at that peak of your bad phase yeah so it was you know it was mostly just personal personal degradation you know just personal self-loathing uh disgust for myself uh quitting wanting to give up um and and not being able to like like you know the funny thing was you know you don't you don't want to quit but but you do and i couldn't you know when things are really bad i'm so grateful i couldn't quit but i wanted to every day and for nine


quit but i wanted to every day and for nine years it wasn't it wasn't like it was a weekend or two it was a long long duration and then even coming back from it right once i made a decision to clean up my life and and and i had a lot of repair work to do with people that didn't trust me i didn't trust me uh i had to get i had to get get good at something i like i didn't have a lot of choices because i had ruined i had you know messed up a lot of my choices and options so i was left with only a few things to do as a career uh and i and i uh i was 25 years old and that's when i really started saying okay quit looking for options get good at this one thing it's not perfect it's not ideal um i meant to do more than this but i'm gonna do this right now so you said i didn't trust me what does that even mean well i had i had uh i had


even mean well i had i had uh i had ruined i had lost trust in myself right so you know i couldn't depend on me to do what i needed to do i couldn't depend on myself to get the job done and to myself to handle or manage money correctly i couldn't depend on myself to do whatever it takes ethically in order to gain personal respect and so um i know everybody's trying to get everybody else to trust them and to believe in them i didn't believe in me and i didn't trust me so that you got to rebuild that right when you know every secret about yourself like the whole world right now is interested in building a brand the world needs to be interested in building themselves and believe if i believe in me i will go promote me yeah and and this is a big missing piece in the world today it's like everybody wants to become an influencer today like that quick uh they want to know how do you promote yourself so much how


know how do you promote yourself so much how do you promote yourself so hard you're always promoting yourself yeah because i love myself and because i don't rip people off i don't cheat i take i always give people more than i promise so when you do that over and over and over again and you start to believe in yourself you can start to really truly promote yourself and until then you're not going to be able to do what not you but people will not be able to promote themselves in the fashion that i do because they skipped a little step which is they don't yet truly 1 000 believe in themselves so the video that i speak of the one i discovered you through it did two things to me the first was that it kind of helped me get over my pot addiction i was a huge pothead and while that really wasn't affecting my career badly but it was slowing me down a little bit i felt because i consumed too much of it


bit i felt because i consumed too much of it so it kind of helped me get over the edge in terms of getting rid of that substance but the second thing it did to me was what you call the 10x mentality in terms of just thinking really expansive like i feel like when i started out this youtuber career my goal was to become a big youtuber and then have maybe one stable business when i discovered your work i realized how far you should be thinking how far you should be aiming for and that's the big difference between american mindsets and mindsets in the rest of the world you guys i don't know what has gone right in your culture but you guys think really big when you are thinking of a product you are constantly challenging yourself to even sell it to the rest of the world but most of the world especially third world countries especially developing countries we kind of limit ourselves through our beliefs so yeah that's the big let me just say that i don't think


the big let me just say that i don't think it's just your beliefs right it's what you're being reminded of every day so so you know if i'm being if i'm being hit in the face every day somebody's punching me in the face every day let's just use that for an example then dude i'm going to think every hand every time i see somebody's hand i'm going to think i'm going to get hit in the face if if i live in a zoo and you know the animals are all do i got to clean up you know the the animals every day then that's what i'm going to see right so when you live in a third world country and you're surrounded by poverty every day poverty in this country too right so the kid the kid that's growing up in a poverty neighborhood in baltimore today is not a lot different than the person in mumbai it's just one of them has a phone and the other one doesn't right one's got a big long rainy


one doesn't right one's got a big long rainy season and the other one doesn't but it's the same issues dude and and you can only see what you can see right if you cover my eyes i can only see the palms of my hands and if if this is a bunch of scars and problems then that's all i can see if i'm if my hands are filled with gold and bitcoin and possibility and ethereum and and and math is easy and everything around me is rich and wealthy then i'm like i remember that cartoon i don't know if you guys had it in india it was called rich the kid i think it was a little cartoon character richie rich richie richie rich yeah yeah yeah dude when i was growing up i'm like i want to be richie rich because richie rich will always be rich because he grew up with gold plumbing he does not he does not live in scarcity if he can keep it because if he doesn't get the work ethic he'll just


if he doesn't get the work ethic he'll just be a second generation loser right but um my kids are growing up in an environment dude where they see possibility in america in america if we choose to in america but uh you know 20 of america's got poverty problems massive property problem but the difference is they have electricity they have probably gas and water and a completely different level right but in america what we have access to here is all these freaking companies that are doing massive and all the elon's and the and the the tim cooks and the warren buffett stuff all these stories of breakthroughs um that become reminders of possibility and and i think that that's what opens up or limits thinking examples and the beautiful thing today is you you can use me as an example yep and so or or you can use your neighborhood um yeah um i think america is the land of opportunity and the land of inspiration that's why you guys produce shows like the last dance that's why


guys produce shows like the last dance that's why you produce people like yourself uh you guys have an inspirational mindset i'm telling you from an outside perspective but let me just say that i go to singapore and i get inspired by the streets of singapore because their roads are in better shape i go to australia and i say oh my god the foods in australia the vegetables in australia have not been uh negatively impacted by by uh genetics and by the way they they're modifying uh vegetables so i didn't know that until i went there so there's other parts of the world that do have inspirations that are italy's got its own kind of musical and art um you know inspiration that we don't have in america they have a culture we don't have so so i just think and america does have capitalist money possibility thing that's that's really magical uh what was the best and worst aspect of america growing up versus the best and worst aspect of it


up versus the best and worst aspect of it in 2021 well i mean like to me i grew up here right so you take you take a lot of this for granted um um i mean america's just it's i can go across i can go from one place to the other i can travel freely uh for the most part you know i mean it's today than it was 30 years ago but there's just it's such a big place it's a big place a lot of people here a lot of money a lot of possibility so so it's almost like but let me just say that it's probably more painful in many ways to live here and not make it hmm you know what i'm saying like there's that many winners around you so you start comparing yourself i live in miami bro like like i can i could i can go down the street i was having dinner last night at the hotel there was there had to be 16 rolls royces and another 16 or 20 stories like in america


and another 16 or 20 stories like in america there's a lot of made-up stuff here there's a lot of fraud here like there's a tremendous amount of people that haven't made it that pretend like they have because you have debt here you got financing you know you if you have a dream you can finance it uh if you just want to look like a big shot you can you can probably get it financed here [Music] it does exist like yeah 20 20 years ago that didn't exist like you couldn't trick people the way you can today um so i don't know america's still a fantastic place and and uh but look the the place is only as good as the people and the opportunity [Music] you got to find good people and you got to find good opportunities if wherever you are if you can't find the good people and the great opportunities it doesn't matter where you live it's going to feel like hell yeah which is why i love the name undercover billionaire because


is why i love the name undercover billionaire because it's the right mindset towards becoming the billionaire you know you you don't want to show off that you've demanded in life you want to make it for yourself and maybe your family not for the world yeah so you know that uh undercover billionaire it's on discovery plus i think it's playing in india now on the app discoveryplus.com um or the discovery plus app in the app store i think it's androids and ios right yes yes yes uh but basically what what happened was the number one question i get asked is if you didn't have any money and you were dropped off in a town of poverty and you only had 90 days how long did it take you to build a million dollar business [Music] and so that's what i do in that show i basically built i'll just give you the spoiler i don't know if you've seen the whole thing but uh the goal was to build a 10 million dollar business in


goal was to build a 10 million dollar business in 90 days wow and uh i end up hitting five and a half million people should watch what i do to do this i have no money no credit and i cannot use my name and i know no one and it's in a town where there's not a lot of options and i'm not not a lot of money uh and i did this during covet by the way the country was shut down 40 million people were put out of work while i did this uh so so it's a it's a great example that the dream your dreams are real if you know if you have a strategy to realize them 100 uh so i feel there's three key aspects to any kind of business any kind of entrepreneurship mindset the first aspect is inspiration because you need to see the business before it happens the second is product but the third one that we speak about very very little in india and that america speaks about a lot is sales yeah india does have


about a lot is sales yeah india does have a sales culture which is not one-tenth as strong as your sales culture you guys had the wolf of wall street you guys had great advertising you guys have a culture of door-to-door salesman we never had that because india started changing in the early 90s so probably like i was born in 1993. by the time i was in 2003 i had access to hollywood i had access to american shows so i've seen how your culture is different from my culture but if you had to boil down american sales skills to three important points what would those points be so look i i probably been consulted by more companies about sales than any living person today on the planet i've worked with some of the largest corporations in the world international companies that are doing billions of dollars trying to how to more effectively make a sale we we don't do tricks there's a lot of tricks in this country uh you mentioned one of the guys he does a lot he


mentioned one of the guys he does a lot he uses a lot of gimmicks he was put in prison for him um you know i have been teaching some of the greatest companies on the planet you do business with them today you buy their products on how do i effectively increase sales and the experience with the customer as well well don't lie don't cheat don't steal and over deliver so in america you know we have we have a fairly aggressive what would appear to be a fairly aggressive sales process but it's actually not a sales process we're a marketing country company a country we market hard so the thing i know about if you want to be great at sales number one you need to understand that marketing it goes like this i have inspiration an idea and then i market the idea i don't make a sale first i market the idea wow so the first thing that precedes it should not be sales and marketing it's marketing and then sales because without marketing if they don't know you they're not


without marketing if they don't know you they're not going to buy from you they won't trust you if they don't know you so some of this the wolf of wall street guy that you talked about complete criminal total scam went to prison for it because they were basically selling a product before they market it hey hey look give me five minutes every day i get this email hey i got something for you i'm like okay i don't know you if i don't know you i am not gonna purchase from you if i don't know you and haven't heard of you i am not going to trust you no matter what you say no matter what trick you say what your close is what your line is how good your script is like in our company we have uh 679 employees we my goal is the owner of the company is to make the customer know my name before the sales person introduces themselves in marketing coca-cola warren buffett apple computer uh lazy boy okay uh google these are names that are known


boy okay uh google these are names that are known they're trusted because they're known so the first thing in sales in america is this make sure the customer knows you because if they don't know you and haven't heard of you they can't trust you number two i need a product offer that i know the the the culture wants okay the the the audience wants my offer market it number one what's the marketing number two what is the offer what problem does it solve and number three in america something we do very well here is we give people choices wow got it variety and product i guess like tiny varieties and products that's what you mean by choices uh choices uh choices uh i got ray-ban and persol right i got i get choices got it got it i don't look at i don't look at one thing like um you know we give people choices right i got a small i got a small phone i got the big phone i got the you know you got to have this right you got to have


you got to have this right you got to have choices and a lot of times sales people don't offer choices they got one thing they want to sell a lot of startup businesses have one idea they want to sell the one idea like if you look at me i always have choices right i always give people hey you can get the hard book okay you can get the book seller be sold you can get it i can send you a digital link or i can get you the audio or i can get you the video which one would you want or number five choice would you like the hard copy the digital copy the ebook audio the video or the combination of all of them and really study it as a library got it so yeah you want to give people choices also the choices thing helps in cultures where the the buyer is always looking for a deal certain cultures have i have to buy it for less if it's not a deal i'm not going to do it the japanese the japanese and this isn't being


the japanese the japanese and this isn't being racist this is just culture the japanese don't want to confront they'll say oh that's fine very good no problem but they're never going to tell you the price is too high australians and canadians going to be much easier okay if that's it that's it they're not gonna have anything they're not gonna disagree with anybody they're not gonna confront americans will confront you okay so i'm like okay you can get the book for amazon for 25 bucks you can get it from my website for shipping i'm giving people choices got it you can you allow the buyer to feel like they're in control you kind of make them king of them yes yes i'm giving so much control away that i actually have more control beautiful and i'm not i'm not manipulating the goal is not to manipulate the goal is to service to the point to where the customer is like what do you think i should do i got a i got a a a 9


do i got a i got a a a 9 offer a 25 offer a 250 offer oh that's more money than i want to spend 250 makes 25 look cheap gorgeous never looked at sales that way and i bow down to you and your knowledge so one last question for you uh how do you switch from being just a millionaire to working towards becoming a billionaire what's the mindset switch and what's the kind of work the professional switch yeah so so it's a great question i mean it's it's you you got to go from saving to investing you got to go from uh you know in the in the beginning you're accumulating right and you're you're you're you're gathering you're gathering success and beans and customers and money and you're trying to hold on to it and you're a lot of management involved early on and later it's more like okay money comes in i got to use it i got to make big investments i got to take much bigger chances uh much bigger risk um and


much bigger chances uh much bigger risk um and there's going to be times where you're not going to be paying anything now um got it so like the goal in the beginning to become a millionaire you need money you need income when you're going to the next level you don't want income you want assets and assets don't always pay you right so the so the goal the goal really for everybody that's watching right now is not to earn more money is to earn no money it's to be able to live with no money ever got it if you have time for one last question so this is something i've always died to ask you specifically uh when you're on your deathbed and you're looking back at your life what are you gonna look back and say okay that's what i did right in my life if you could highlight three aspects of yourself well hopefully if it happened today i wouldn't be able to say this i wouldn't be able to say i went to india but hopefully you


able to say i went to india but hopefully you know in the next 12 months to 18 months i come to india and one of the things i'll look back on is bringing my kids and my wife and some of my key people to india making new friends there um i i love to travel i love to meet new people and part of the world i like to meet people that are inspired and their dreamers hopefully along the way i will not have just inspired people but but there'll be people that carry my legacy on because of what they're doing not what i said that something i did causes you to change the way you operate in your life and think bigger and go bigger and and that you actually do something with it you know you know my my my goal there for another couple hundred years man through through my work not not not with my physical body but through my work yeah and and um and that i make a difference because of what i did and gave other people the tools to do something


did and gave other people the tools to do something so that what they do also lives on gc one day hopefully i'll be wearing a black t-shirt a dude doing a podcast will be wearing a black t-shirt and i'll say i learned that from grant cardone thank you you're a big brother you don't know how much i appreciate you uh you don't know how much i've learned from you and you don't know how much good energy and prayers i send your way man god bless you thank you my friend appreciate you thank you looking forward to hosting you in india okay let's do it that was the episode for today huge moment for me because grant cardone was on my original potential guest list that we had decided before we actually began trs crazy that we've had him on the show this experience was incredibly motivating for me and i'm just looking forward to see what other international guests make their way to the tv show which are the international guests would you guys like


which are the international guests would you guys like to see on trs please let us know also follow us on spotify every episode is available on 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world gc will be returning to the ranvi show very soon but until then make sure you like this video make sure you share this podcast with your friends and from ranveer and the team on the runway show see you soon [Music] you


hey guys this is a special solo episode we've been doing a lot of solo episodes on a hindi podcast we've not done one on english for a while because i feel like if i want to do solo episodes in english it's gotta be deep this one's a deep episode it's about my current state of mind as a youtuber we're closing in on finishing six years of youtubing and youtubing itself can mold you into a very different version of yourself compared to the version of yourself that you were when you began i hope that this podcast gives you some insights into the mind and journey of your favorite youtubers remember guys follow trs on spotify we're spotify exclusive now that means every episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world this episode like every solo episode is a heart to heart i hope you enjoy it i hope that you gain value from it and i hope that you get to know me a little bit more


that you get to know me a little bit more deeply enjoy yourselves [Music] okay quick heart to heart in this one the youtuber life is not easy i'm not saying that it's the most difficult career in fact it's a very rewarding career i've spoken about all the rewards repeatedly i've done youtube for so long now for six years and i've done it for so long now that it's become a second nature to me my whole life is lived in terms of what's my next script when's my next upload what's my next content piece what's that thumbnail going to look like oh that video that's being prepared how else can we shoot it what kind of lighting can we use how can we improve our work my life is youtube because every single year spent on social media or on youtube is equal to three years spent in every other industry both according to your growth and according to the money you make and according to the fame you receive or the recognition you receive one year spent on social


or the recognition you receive one year spent on social media is equal to three years spent in other industries this is something i learned from nikhil sharma biker nikhil one of the countries og youtubers some people consider me one of the country's og youtubers for some reason never ever thought that i would be a youtuber while i was growing up i've heard that it's become one of the cool things for kids to say when i was growing up the cool thing to say was hey i want to be a cricketer i want to be an astronaut i want to be a scientist maybe actually no scientist not really no i'm kidding but it used to be cool to be able to say i'm going to be an astronaut or i'm going to be an athlete it wasn't ever an option to call yourself a potential youtuber now it is so this video is about the dark side of youtube that everyone should know about before they begin this journey i've spoken earlier about how youtube


begin this journey i've spoken earlier about how youtube eventually leads to one of two things it leads to a career in films as an actor or a director creator writer etc etc or it leads to a career in some sort of business it could be a service based business like monk entertainment it could be a product based business like uthiapa it could be a product based business like the business amanda tarwal runs it's an education based business ed tech of sorts an academy began in youtube you always end up in business or in the world of creation of films lots of people look at youtube as a stepping stone i don't think it's a stepping stone i think it's a very giving platform there is this third career called long-term youtubing very few people will embrace because after a point one it gets difficult to keep coming up with ideas two people say that the algorithm always prefers fresher creators so if the algorithm builds up one particular creator in one genre once that creator is established the rumor


one genre once that creator is established the rumor says that the algorithm will build up a second creator just so that there's competition for the first creator and this is a pattern that a lot of youtubers claim to have seen repeatedly i don't know i'm not so sure but lots of people say that this happens that if one person is pumped by the algorithm very soon the algorithm will pump a second person to ensure that there isn't one single monopoly that's why on any youtube channel you'll have suggested channels or under a video particular channel you'll have suggested videos of a rival channel it's just how the nature of youtube is so what's the effect that it has on the creator let me reassure you guys that this is a very giving career if you play the game right if you know what you're doing on youtube if you put in your heart and soul into the process and if you enjoy the process you will get the rewards and those rewards will be greater than you would


and those rewards will be greater than you would have ever expected but there is a flip side to it okay people know about what creator burnout is oh i'm just out of creativity oh i've lost my relevance oh people don't relate to me anymore oh i don't know what to make next oh i don't know how to pivot my content you hear lots of old school creators saying this you hear people who've been on the platform say this for a while but i'm gonna highlight five of my observations which have been difficulties for me but also difficulties that i sort of overcame and i'm also gonna give you the perspective of someone who wants to be on youtube for at least another five to ten years that's me i wanna be on youtube for another five to ten years irrespective of the podcast we create the businesses we create i enjoy youtubing i love creating videos i love learning allowing it to marinate in my head and then putting it out to beautiful video content and


and then putting it out to beautiful video content and you know gain an audience along with putting out this beautiful content here's five dark aspects of youtube from my own journey dark aspect number one it's a never ending game that rush from zero to one million subscribers is what most people aim for even today and it is a rush getting there you know when you're at 600k and 700k and 900k subs you're pumped about getting there you hit a million you get emotional you feel happy you think your life is made and then post a million you're left with a little bit of emptiness at least it used to be a million subs in my day it's probably 5 million or 10 million now if you have a number in your head when you're beginning youtube i kind of think that might be a mistake because once you cross that number which you definitely will if you're passionate about youtube you will feel empty after you're past that point after you pass that point you kind of don't make content for the


that point you kind of don't make content for the numbers you don't make content for the success you make content for your own heart for the child inside you that enjoyed youtube once upon a time who dreamt of being a youtuber that's what you make content for that's the biggest reason we went into podcast because i was like yo i want to create content that i'd like to consume i want to create content that i'd like to create not content that just my audience would like and if my audience doesn't like a particular piece of content i'll do it repeatedly in order to gain an even newer audience or in order to show this audience this beautiful new kind of content that i'm creating my point is that it's sort of an empty game all right even if you pass certain personal milestones another aspect of it being an empty game and we're still at point number one another aspect of it being an empty game is that you are your last piece of content no youtuber will only create


last piece of content no youtuber will only create content on youtube you'll either also create content on linkedin or instagram or twitter clubhouse for that matter and depending on your performance in your last piece of content you kind of start attaching your self-worth to it and this is a vicious cycle trust me because if you put out a video that has been received well it's got great views you enjoy doing it you start flying a little bit and if you put out a piece of content that you thought will do really well and then it bombs it tanks it gets criticism it gets cancelled almost then sometimes you start associating your self-worth with that cancel culture is a big part of our lives right now i have some young creators who call me and say hey man i just got cancelled on twitter what do i do my response to them is chill you are your last piece of content if people are canceling you today one they're not even your audience two your audience would never cancel you three the moment you


your audience would never cancel you three the moment you make your next good piece of content people will forget about that whole cancelling phenomenon that happened to you on sunday you're being cancelled on sunday and by tuesday you're a king or a queen again strange life and that's why i say it's emptiness and empty you don't even know what you're doing after when you're just on autopilot i don't know where six years of my life have gone by i look back at my life and i'm like it feels like last week that raja started working with me and we were making fitness content and we were figuring how to make fitness content more entertaining we thought oh let's put titles in our videos that'll make it more entertaining just feels like last week i don't know where these six years have gone by because it's a weird kind of empty game it's very fulfilling and empty at the same time i can't explain it six years have flown by things got really good for me


years have flown by things got really good for me probably six months to a year ago when i realized that damn i'm doing so many things i'm running businesses i'm running youtube channels i cannot keep associating myself with how my videos perform how many views they get and once i started doing that we started getting even more views just by the way why because i started creating videos that i was enjoying creating i enjoyed the editing process i was having fun making those if you're having fun creating a video people have fun viewing it and if you're not having fun on your youtube journey it's either time to stop or it's time to reinvent youtube teaches you a lot for life you'll get a very high paying job in another industry doing something else because of the skills you've learned from youtube apply it in business challenge yourself in other ways if you're done with youtube i still have that little kid inside who's excited about telling stories and sharing my learnings i'm not gonna stop point two


sharing my learnings i'm not gonna stop point two relevance i'm seeing a lot of people from my generation of youtubers either starting to fade away online or not being regular with their content uploads or thinking about the next steps in life or just running out of ideas to sustain what we call relevance that's the curse of fame lots of people dream of being rich then they become rich and usually they stay rich at least for a few generations the family saves the rich for a few generations lots of people aim to become famous reach peaks of fame get those highs that are associated with fame and then once they decide to stop working the fame also drops think of bollywood actors who are very relevant in the 90s the icons now govinda jackie shiroff sunny they all but they were famous famous back in the 90s man they were called for functions they'd walk into colleges people would cheer for them it's not the same now because they reached a point in their life so


now because they reached a point in their life so they're like you know we're done with work the way fame works the way relevance works you have to keep putting an effort to stay famous to stay relevant keeping in mind the first point and this second point the dark side of youtube is that you gotta constantly work for it there isn't really a rest period other than the time you take a vacation for which also by the way you have to plan a month or two in advance just so that your content is stacked up and you can continuously upload as well as enjoy your vacation every time i'm thinking of taking a vacation we plan it three months in advance the whole team needs to know okay randy's going on vacation from these dates to these dates therefore finish off all the content from now stock up across youtube instagram twitter linkedin everything just for a 10 day vacation so if you want to stay famous it's all about constantly giving effort to the source of your fame youtube


giving effort to the source of your fame youtube made you famous you got to constantly put that effort back into youtube otherwise you don't upload a video for a very long time you upload a video a year later you may not may notice the keyword you may not get the same kind of impact through that video youtube's also like a game right and you tend to get rusty if you stay away from a game you're great at football you stop playing for a year you come back to the football pitch you're not the same player you will youtube sort of works the same way if you stay consistent your system automatically polishes itself keeping in mind all these concepts i strongly believe that this content creation journey is like an athlete's career but you've got to work towards playing a great game an athlete is only relevant for a certain period of time 10 15 years think of like a top actor's career man salman khan shahrukh khan amir khan they're exceptions right they've been relevant for 30


khan they're exceptions right they've been relevant for 30 years i'd say of the three man people say that oh shah khan isn't as relevant anymore people say that salman khan is relevant anymore people say the same thing about aamir khan but consider the fact that they might be relevant what it's like 30 years 35 years they are what around 50 60 years of age they only had the 30 year window to do whatever they had to do in terms of their life legacy money fame relevance an athlete like ms dhoni made his debut in 2004 it's 2021 announce 17 years he had a 17-year long career and we all know that he's very close to retirement he's not as relevant as he was in say 2009 or 2011 when he won the world cup not the same vibe when it comes to fame and that's okay that's just how life is a youtuber's career is probably just five to ten years long i'm in year six try understanding what kind of pressure that puts on


six try understanding what kind of pressure that puts on you if you have very large goals in life if you just want financial stability you can definitely do that through youtube if you just stick with the youtube game if you keep making content that people like you'll become financially stable in life that's not my personal goal i want to create 20 000 jobs that's my personal goal it's a large goal it's not gonna happen just by staying relevant for five to ten years so what does it really take to stay relevant other than consistency it takes elevation of your own skill set you have to keep adding a new skill you keep learning something new okay i've been doing these kind of videos for a while how do i take it to the next level okay can i cover some new piece of information can i bring in some new topics can i bring in new people into my videos can i change up my style if people have accepted you as an infotainment creator someone who teaches them things in an entertaining way one


who teaches them things in an entertaining way one of the ways to reinvent is you have to study a lot in your offline life read a lot of books consume a lot of podcasts if you can run a podcast and learn through it do that because that's what i've been doing and that's been refueling my content a little bit it's been two years since i've run the podcast best decision of my life best decision of my career not just for the active benefits of it not just because we have an ip now or we've signed a spotify deal now think of the guy's mind i'm going through insanely deep conversations twice a week twice a week i'm getting coached by someone who's accomplished something someone who's an expert of something it's crazy for my head so it fuels my content bank i can create a lot of videos through stuff i've learned of the podcast but it's not so easy for people in other genres how do they refuel how do they reinvent youtubing


they refuel how do they reinvent youtubing is not easy man we sit back and say oh they're not funny anymore they're not relevant they're not relatable anymore man they've been around for a while not everyone has the benefit of running a podcast or learning from great minds or loving reading people have their own journeys and this journey becomes difficult to all the critics i want to see where they will be in like 5-10 years because youtube is not an easy game and if you think you can sit there and criticize other channels for not performing well hold up let's see where you are on the same timeline let's see how relevant you are my generation of youtubers has been around for five six years and people save asylum to get cancelled now this next generation is gonna get cancelled in two three years if that's really the case the faster you rise up the faster you'll fall down my generation had the benefit of the geo boom but we never had these kind of


the geo boom but we never had these kind of speeds of growth nowadays you make one uncomfortable questions with mom or things that guys are afraid to answer and you explode fast rise will also create fast falls it's not just the tool for youtube it's the truth for any industry the third dark truth is what i call refueling to refuel the content reading perspective getting to know people outside of youtube and some sort of sacrifice in your own life some sort of sacrifice in your own life underrated concept whatever career you're in if you want to get to that next level if you want to jump to that next level you first go to bend down a little bit shed off something sacrifice something get the energy then jump up to the next level is it weed that you're sacrificing is it alcoholism that you're sacrificing is it this sexual lust for fame that you're sacrificing is it your comfort zone that you're sacrificing is it some relationships that you're sacrificing is it time


some relationships that you're sacrificing is it time that you're sacrificing is it that chill life that you're sacrificing in order to make better more enhanced content what are you doing one thing i love about my own past is that at some point i realized that maybe this content creation game could be empty i need to do something outside of content creation that's why viraj and myself started monk entertainment i was dating someone at that time who said that no no how am i going to tell my parents that i'm dating a content creator she had a point so i said cool let me do something else that's what led me to start business so taught me business it gave me so much content just by the way it refueled me sacrifices will refuel you but get out of your comfort zone because that's where the growth happens point number four i see this around me not just in content creation but in most media professionals many startup people happens to people in every industry it's called


people happens to people in every industry it's called arrogance it's definitely happened to me at multiple points in my own career um last year i think we started doing solo podcasts and the solo podcast were being loved at the same time i saw the last dance featuring michael jordan which was all about killing it being that lion winning it for your team michael jordan had this crazy coat in that show okay so his coach is telling him to play team basketball pass the ball play with your teammates and the court says michael there's no i in team so michael tried doing that nothing happened because his teammates were missing the shots and then michael jordan started playing solo ball he tried winning it first team alone so he scored a few baskets he made his team win he looks back at the coach and says there's no i in team but there's an iron win and i was like yeah that's right michael jordan mentality which gave me so much also


jordan mentality which gave me so much also definitely made me a little bit arrogant started studying role models who would kind of give me that little bit of arrogance jon jones ufc fighter mike tyson at his peak all these guys were monsters great at their jobs legends also arrogant this podcast is releasing very soon after we've recorded it it's sort of a live update of what's happening in my head this past week three four days back we we hosted us on the podcast he's the mentor to jai shaiti um he's a senior monk from iscorn best podcast i've done genuinely deepest one we've ever created spoke them in detail about arrogance and the nature of success the nature of the rewards that life gives you and the consensus was that when you win something you never win alone it's not even just your teammates it's all your circumstances and your whole life that led you up to that point in junior kg you've had some experience which


point in junior kg you've had some experience which has helped you create a video when you're a 28 year old youtuber that external stimulus that caused that effect when you were four years old also played a role in getting you this video which did well when you were 28. all your life circumstances add up and put you in a position to succeed so it's never you alone when you win it's never you alone when you lose it's never you alone that's what people need to understand and that's what i see a lot of startup people and media people not understanding when they start seeing a little bit of success it starts getting to their heads oh yeah yeah it's just me if you're ever hanging out with media people notice who always ends up taking the conversation to themselves someone says something about sustainability and this one media person or successful startup person brings a conversation back to themselves yeah my startup this yeah me that oh yeah this is what i think when you spot that in people you're also


i think when you spot that in people you're also spotting the beginning of deterioration in their lives that's just what i think or at least the deterioration of their careers which can be avoided if they are surrounded by people or not yes men and who say no you're talking don't get arrogant it's not just you and you know what all of us are supporting you in order for you to win so that all of us win this doesn't happen in the media world lots of people get sucked into their own success and then they end up falling a lot of the people who are fading away right in front of my eyes could beat a substance abuse could be to their own success it's happening because they're surrounded by yes men it's happening because they're intoxicated by their own success and i'm seeing people crumble in front of me they're so in their own zone that they're not even ready to listen to external perspective i've tried telling some of them that


perspective i've tried telling some of them that yo something might be wrong and their response is yeah but i'll always be okay i'm like what the are you saying so anyway thank god i'm surrounded by some insanely level-headed people it's also why i try doing so many businesses because you do businesses with new folks new ideas those new folks humble you the new ideas show you how much you don't know and just keeps you grounded if i was just a youtuber by this point i would be soaked in my own perspectives i'd be sitting and giving you perspectives on all of life without having lived life there are youtubers who do that which is why doing business or doing something outside of youtube is also important okay and the fifth and final point when it comes to the dark side of this game it's called linear growth versus exponential growth around the time we had started the podcast i had contemplated switching off the english channel just focusing on hindi my team made


english channel just focusing on hindi my team made me sit down and told me what's the easiest form of content you can create i told them let me just sit and record these beautiful conversations i'm having with these mentors of mine and these smart people are meeting let's record it let's release it call it podcast i met abhijeet pradhan one of our earlier podcasts and i told him i'm not okay with my channel not performing because i'm giving it my 200 why is it not performing and his answer to me was simple he said that no no you can't gauge your performance based on quantification at this point in your career so if you think that your views aren't as much as a mainstream channels used that's not a correct perception of yourself so ask them why so he said because your audience for the kind of content you're creating which is infotainment which is self-help it's a kind of cream audience there's very few people who want that kind of content in india


few people who want that kind of content in india right now and you have to continuously cater to them because that's the audience you always cater to the audience that wants to elevate themselves so the basic consensus of that conversation was ask yourself why you're doing this youtube career because you have a stable business what's left for you in content creation this is not your main career now probably the business career is your main career this is a business for you this is a supplement to your businesses kind of made sense to me i went within and i figured that there's two reasons i'm doing youtube one is to help all the other businesses because my actual goal is to create employment 20 000 jobs for india before i die that's a tangible goal i've kept for myself everyone creates games for themselves that they play that they take motivation from that's my game 20 000 jobs then i'll think of resting or then i'll create some new game but the second big goal of mine has always


game but the second big goal of mine has always been sounds simple but it's always been to help people just do work that makes this world a better place helps people younger than yourself helps people who need the help helps the same people going through the same problems that you went through and you didn't get any help and you were to figure out all that yourself help people that's why i'm doing content creation that's something monk entertainment and level and big brain go if you just play a youtube game or a content creation game you'll earn enough money to be financially stable for the rest of your life you'll enjoy the sexuality of fame and it does bring its own perks trust me i've had experiences where i'll be standing outside a crowded club they're not allowing anyone to get in i'm just standing there people crowd around me the bouncers probably don't even know who i am and someone says hey don't let us in but let this guy he makes great videos and the bouncers


this guy he makes great videos and the bouncers have let me in i've been inside clubs where my name's been announced along with some other youtubers names that's a rush the whole club is like clapping for you cheering for all these weird experiences happen with fame and fame is sexual in many ways speaking about sexual fame i have had moments where i've been in clubs and girls have come up and said hey i love your videos and they've come closer in my year they've told me by the way i'm okay coming with you tonight wherever you go i'll be with you take my number this has happened to me i'm just like no no i don't don't want any of that i'm simple dude as many ludkipur towing videos as we make i'm a simple dude who believes in old school romances but my point is this is the sexual aspect of fame it's very enticing it's inviting it also takes your focus away from greater goals like creating employment like


your focus away from greater goals like creating employment like making the world a better place sometimes not for everyone but definitely for some people people get drunk with their own power between fame and money i'd always choose money because money is what you can create and impact with money can be used to create more money money can be used to create businesses money can be used to create jobs which is very much aligned with what i want in life that's my personal purpose doesn't have to be everyone's purpose not everyone has to chase money i'm chasing money because it will help fuel my long-term goals i don't want fancy cars or helicopters or big houses i want to get to my goals because i know i was born on this earth to make it a happier place and i'll be able to do that through money and not fame with youtube what happens is you earn great money through your brand deals but it's always incremental so say you want one crore in your first year in your second year you learn


in your first year in your second year you learn 1.3 in your third year you learn two in your fourth year you learn probably three in your fifth year you learn four it's always a straight line and then after a point you'll plateau out this isn't just youtube this is the media industry it's just how the world works you'll earn in a linear way you learn one crore more than you weren't in the previous year that's not enough money to create 20 000 jobs or to change the world that's enough money for you to have a lavish life and take your family on international vacations every year that's enough money to give you a stable life that's not what i am chasing and it's okay if you are but that's not what i'm chasing i'm choosing exponential growth in terms of money when the first year you have one crore in the second year you have 1.5 and third year you have two in the fourth year you have ten in the fifth year you have thirty


have ten in the fifth year you have thirty in the sixth year you have a hundred exponential growth it's torture honestly there is an aspect of it which is torture because you have to put yourself through so much mental trauma of scaling businesses businesses are scaled by improving your own eq handling other people's egos handling other people's eq coaching people creating teams retaining teams troubling your own mind with financial trouble there's too many aspects to it this phase of my life this chapter of my life is the heavy chapter that's what i'm going through we're not doing this for money we're doing this for scale so that two three four years from now my entire team doesn't have to make youtube videos for the sake of money we're making it for the sake of art we're creating the indian game of thrones we're creating the modern version of mahabharata we're creating all these crazy ideas that we can create without worrying about money first play the startup game then play the art


money first play the startup game then play the art game one step in that direction and here's my request you if you've watched this podcast till this point one step in that direction is our new youtube channel big brain company i'm gonna link it down below please check out that youtube channel it's one step towards sort of creating a property on youtube that's independent of this face this is a limitation when there's one person creating videos there's a limit to the subjects you can speak about there's a limit to the number of content pieces you can create and there's a thousand other limits that i don't even want to explain but when there's a group of people that's where the magic lies on the most beautiful nights of your life when you look up in the sky the sky never has just one star the most beautiful nights of your life will have a thousand stars up in the sky together it's one step towards that moment it's called big brain co please subscribe to the new youtube channel because it's


co please subscribe to the new youtube channel because it's going to develop into something eventually but we need your support right now side note just a bonus point it's a mistake i've done with my own youtube journey i've not requested people to subscribe or engage with content or comment down below it's a mistake because long term we've not been able to build a very powerful community at least that's what i get told from the outside when we run a time management company called monk entertainment we get a scan of all the talents working with us and this is where the beer biceps community is honestly slightly weak compared to other communities that our community doesn't engage with the videos when we release podcasts our podcasts don't get shared as much on whatsapp maybe it's because we're a community of self-improvers and all of us are too busy gaining and self-improving and that's okay i get it but at this phase of my life i'm putting my hand out and saying one please subscribe to big brain


hand out and saying one please subscribe to big brain company show your support to that channel lots of videos about lots of topics we're ensuring that we make every video very interesting and two going forward as much as you can engage with our videos because i'm here for like five to ten years more but i need a community to like back me with everything i'm doing i'm not gonna be creating 20 000 jobs alone i'm sure many of you watching this will be a part of those 20 000 jobs and who knows maybe 5 000 startups but here's my request to you i'm gonna keep being this candid dishonest but what's happening in my life i'm gonna die but i will bring you the best possible podcast and content in the world i'm gonna die doing it i'm gonna hammer myself doing it i'm gonna sacrifice in my life but engage with our content a little more so follow our communities on telegram follow all our pages across social media engage with the content and share it with your


media engage with the content and share it with your friends and let's build out a community the first step is you subscribing to big brain following what's happening there pressing that bell icon and all that other youtubey stuff just because i don't request you to do it doesn't mean you shouldn't it's just a request and now i'll thank you for listening to this podcast till this point so thank you let me know if you want more solo podcast like this but i just take a mind on the internet lots of love namaste see you soon hey guys so that was the heart to heart about everything it means being a content creator being a youtuber if you're an aspiring youtuber i hope you gained something from this episode remember to follow the rnv show on spotify every episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world once in a while doing these kind of episodes kind of feels like throwing up mentally that's honestly what it feels like all these


that's honestly what it feels like all these thoughts all these patterns in my head i just want to share them with you guys we are building a powerful self-help driven community here and if i'm going on my own growth tangents it's my responsibility to share it with you guys that's why you don't do too many english solo episodes but i'd love to know what other solo episodes you guys would like to witness on the review show please let me know comment below send in your dm's on social media i wonder what else you guys want me to speak about from that solo perspective remember to subscribe to big brain co as well and until next time guys from ranveer and the team we'll see you later [Music] you


on the nvi show today we've got one of the creative geniuses of india in general of the indian film industry but i feel like this man has given gifts of creativity to our country his new film tufan will release very soon and we spoke about everything from creativity to films to his past to boxing guys make sure you catch too far on amazon prime video from the 16th of july and ensure you follow the runway show on spotify it's a spotify exclusive which means every episode will be available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world but for now enjoy this conversation that's centered around creativity we've got farah only for the first time on the nvidia show i'm sure he's going to be back for many more episodes because there's a lot more to dig up and bring to you guys enjoy the episode [Music] thank you ranveer i look up to you a lot primarily because you switch between creativity and there's very few people in the world who are


and there's very few people in the world who are able to do that well man so uh how conscious are you about that gear switching ability because my first memory of you seeing you on tv with long hair promoting as a director and now you're like a complete new avatar of yourself um you know i i think what's important in all of this what i've realized over the last 20 years is to take work seriously and not take yourself so seriously i think that's what it is you know so um i just i follow my heart here and i follow my creative instinct and whatever gives me joy in that moment or something that comes along whether it's in music whether it's directing whether it's writing or acting um i i just follow my heart and i do it to the best of my ability how are you how's the last couple of years been are you in a good zone well um yeah i mean of course everyone could be better i'm sure even you could be better yeah you know in terms of


you could be better yeah you know in terms of i mean you know there's things that we all are missing out on a year and a half has just flown past without many experiences being had but um on that's one i mean that's a little bit of sorrow but uh comparatively to the uh i guess the amount of pain and the amount of grief that many other people around us are going through you know our problems are not are not that massive you know at least uh i mean my family is safe my my close friends are safe um so i'm thankful for that every single day but uh but yeah it's been an interesting year there's um we've learned a lot about ourselves i think in this life in these last 18 months what did you learn about yourself uh well to start with you know um what is that you don't really need that much you know i think we've all become we all become such uh uh victims of consumerism you know this time has really made you realize


you know this time has really made you realize that you don't need that much actually you know to to be content to be satisfied to be happy um and the importance of uh of the right people around you you know and and uh just spending time with those people and and uh contributing in whichever way i mean just emotionally to each other's lives um that has been a massive learning hmm how do you feel right now we're on the brink of a release and this is something you've worked hard on man i'm a youtuber so for us we have to just like record really quick and then weekly we have like four releases shooting all the time yeah but it's sort of right not as impactful as creating a film where you have to first prep you have to select a film you prep your body there's a lot of bandwidth that goes into that man so now when you're near that release how do you feel um i'm really excited yeah you know um we worked really really hard on


yeah you know um we worked really really hard on this film you're absolutely right um so it's finally all come together and it's a film that we feel good about you know that that's equally as important i mean one thing is of course celebrating something that you worked on and sharing it with people but when you inherently feel good from like the pit of your stomach about something being uh created the way you imagined it to be you know uh that there's an there's an extra special feeling with that every single time so i'm really i'm i'm excited to see how people will react to it you know and and let's see i mean of course fingers crossed that everybody uh appreciates the effort and appreciates the work of of all people concerned who made this one possible you know the whole bhagavad-gita that you've built out in tufan honestly i'm a fitness professional it's scary what you've done in a very positive way like i don't know what other word to use


way like i don't know what other word to use other than scary because the level of rippedness you have it's not easy especially from a mental perspective so when your director or the producers are telling you that okay this is the body that's required when did when did you get into fitness here like way back i grew up obese so i kind of have i was forced into fitness i had a gallstone removal at 16 so my parents just told me now start running start doing weight training uh and i had that phase of getting ripped you know i've eaten really clean i've done all your ketogenic diets of the world and all that yeah but when we say you you on screen it's some other level of rippedness so i don't know what kind of mental zone that takes um yeah i mean i don't know i mean i guess i mean since you since you you obviously have an understanding of of fitness you have an understanding of what it takes um you know it's it's really about


it takes um you know it's it's really about immersing yourself here at the end of the day you know it's it's a commitment that you make to yourself you know that you've taken this on and um you have i mean what is it that you stand for here you know if if you can't fulfill some kind of a a goal that you've created for yourself how are you ever going to do that for someone else you know so um i i take these things when i take them on very very seriously you know um i and i feel that films and especially sport films because i mean i've grown up also on a steady diet of of sport movies uh and sport documentaries you know and and they've always inspired me to kind of try and be a better version of myself when it comes to the the mental and the physical aspect of things and you hope that through your effort people will also feel that same way you know and and which is why you have to give it your all i mean


why you have to give it your all i mean there's no half measures in kind of looking fit you know there's what's the point you know i mean if you if you need to represent somebody who's at peak fitness and in peak athletic condition then you have to you have to be that you can't pretend it hmm so you're a kid growing up in the 80s you're seeing sylvester stallone in rocky did you ever think that you'll play a boxer's role at some point you lose my body like that no no no no never never i never thought about it i actually didn't for me uh acting was a thought that only came into my head in about 2007 or 2008 when i did rock on uh before that i was uh absolutely content directing absolutely content producing and writing um so it wasn't a thing that crossed my mind was i influenced by it absolutely like all of us were you know um like standing in front of a mirror and doing those moves and stuff which


of a mirror and doing those moves and stuff which you you know when you see a film and you get really excited by it um that is something that i did do but not in my wildest imagination did i ever think that i'd be uh doing a film on boxing till till about three or four years ago um what happened in 2007 or 2008 that you had this kind of a switch because i feel again as someone who's into any form of filmmaking as a filmmaker you fall in love with that like when you see your thought turned into reality that's one of the most joyous moments it's also one of the most like um it's kind of like the highs of life i feel like so you've already experienced those highs you've made classics like diljata and laksh and then you switch into like acting so what was your zone that time um yeah you know i mean the thing is that rock on when it came and the script came to me there was something so magical


the script came to me there was something so magical about it you know um and again it was it was it was something i could identify with i mean i love rock music um i play guitar um it was based in the city that i'm from so it wasn't a stretch for me to imagine how can i create this character or make this character and whatever education that i did get about acting from working with some incredible actors as a director you know i could put all of that to use in that film and it felt really good it felt like liberating you know to to kind of take on the the persona of someone or take on the characteristics of another person uh and it it felt like you wanted that fix again you know and and then one thing kind of led to another um and here we are yeah i mean how many other years later with with the film on boxing which i couldn't have ever imagined that i would do do you have any favorite fighters like any favorite boxers or ufc fighters


favorite fighters like any favorite boxers or ufc fighters wow um yeah i mean i as far as my favorites go it's they're more in the like the traditional boxer uh category um you know so i mean of course there is you i mean no uh nobody's list of of all-time great system is begins without muhammad ali you know just apart from what he did in the ring and apart from being one of the only boxers i think to win back the heavyweight title twice after being champion once you know uh just his incredible uh persona outside the ring you know and what he represented to to people in terms of uh just the kind of personality what he stood for his views on life his political views were incredible you know just a great great man um and then of course you have like incredible fighters like smoking joe fraser was an incredible fighter you know um uh manny pacquiao is absolutely incredible as well uh triple g is another guy who's just outstanding you know so um there


guy who's just outstanding you know so um there have been uh over time and of course and then the beast mike tyson like himself was so unpredictable in the ring i mean he or honestly you know after the the time of muhammad ali um i i think boxing at least heavyweight boxing you know um i i don't think the from my point of view of course there wasn't that the kind of curiosity till mike tyson came along you know he kind of infused that kind of manic energy back into the into that into that division um and uh yeah so i've always enjoyed boxing and boxing documentaries in boxing film yeah do you know that boxing's having a resurgence right now in the world like internationally people are getting into it again so i think there was a phase where people got way more into ufc into mma yeah and now there's this big resurgence because of people like anthony joshua or floyd mayweather all these guys uh but it's it's cool that you're bringing


uh but it's it's cool that you're bringing mike tyson because that's my earliest memory about boxing i think from the 90s man when he when he bit off holy fields here like i remember being a four year old and listening because i'm getting free right yeah but you know i mean see that's also towards the kind of the tail end of his career you know uh i mean we were fortunately old enough in the 80s to understand this phenomenon of mike tyson here you know when we saw him like first come on the scene beat leon sphinx uh and beat all those early guys and knock them out in like he was like a for one round specialist you know i mean very rarely did people kind of make it into the second and third round with him and he was i mean like i mean obviously really strong great skill insane hunger to to win you know and um just uh i mean yeah he he bro he kind of brought your attention back back to the game absolutely


brought your attention back back to the game absolutely what did you learn about boxing doing this movie like what do you learn about a boxer's mindset um you know actually with uh working with drew neal who was my my the boxing coach that i first started with and then moving on to uh working with daryl foster um who's been a boxer just so that i mean i can make your uh viewers also aware so darren foster is someone who was a boxer himself he then was somebody who worked with sugar ray leonard in sugar leonard's corner was with him for close to two decades when sugar ray leonard became the champion in his division and then subsequently like kind of post retirement of of actively being involved in that aspect of boxing uh got into uh fight choreography uh for film and uh one of the earlier films that he did is one that all of us have loved which is ali with will smith that was something that he had choreographed you know and then has


that he had choreographed you know and then has worked on many films since so his knowledge of boxing i mean from from the abcs of boxing to how to capture it on film is phenomenal you know so just to sit and like listen to him firstly just listen to him of about the stories of the boxers that he's got this incredible opportunity to interact with spend time with be in a corner with you know discuss boxing discuss uh the warrior mindset as he calls it you know and and that's what it was he's like i mean you have to figure out how you can inculcate that mindset or kind of breathe that mindset into your being because you have to want it more than the other guy and the other guy wants it you know but how you know like so the guy who's willing to endure more pain the guy who's willing to go that extra round when his lungs and his legs have collapsed you know when everything in your body is telling you to


know when everything in your body is telling you to stop what is it that keeps you going you know so it's basically about building that warrior mindset in you and he's like there's one thing that you're fighting for a belt or you're fighting to win a bout he's like but there is there's always something more there's like always that one x factor in terms of what it is that you're fighting for whether it's something internal that you're dealing with you know proving something to yourself whether it's killing self-doubt you know whether it's looking for self-respect you know or you're doing it for someone who you who you love and who you care about your coach your wife your kids you know he's like so all boxers have something more than just just the bell to fight for and um so it was just understanding all this from him you know and you try and apply that to to yourself and to your mind when you when you get into training for when i got into training for this


into training for when i got into training for this film the movie that impacted me the most as a kid in my whole life and it's still the movie that impacts me the most in my whole life is laksh okay like i've seen it as a kid and man as a kid all you understand is okay you know you see the lead you see rithik roshan playing luck so i thought i'll say this to rithik roshan but i watched that movie twice or thrice every year ever since i'm like 11 years old or whenever it releases wow that's amazing uh 11 12 i was around 11 12 that time yeah and i know i know that movie scene by scene so i was 11. and um i know i know every scene of the movie and i know that people come and tell you that oh it's two movies in one and your response to that has been no you guys don't understand filmmaking i'm on your side because that's how every every human's life is actually we live


how every every human's life is actually we live our life in phases and the way you showed phases in that movie it was very intense it's something i relate to it's something that every kid who's seen that movie relates to man so the moment for me is something i've waited for my whole life just to talk to you and thank you because you don't know what that's given to my mindset you don't know how much of a warrior mindset you've put into that movie and how many kids have been kind of inspired to have that voice thank you thank you so much thank you so much you know i must share one very interesting episode with you about that film uh the reason the film my dad wrote the script right was because uh when uh it was cargill divas in the year 2000 or 2001 where you know when to celebrate operation vijay and the success of operation vijay so he had gone to cargill to lay he was invited to leave at the memorial of the


was invited to leave at the memorial of the of the fallen soldier you know um of the martyrs and he went there any later either he was talking to some uh senior officer of the army there and that person was telling him you know that it's so it's such a dichotomy of sorts you know that everywhere you read and everywhere every news channel every newspaper every person who has a voice you know is singing praises of the indian army and saying we've done such a phenomenal job in in recapturing those peaks and and the bravery and the sacrifice and the courage of our of our officers he's like but every single year the number of people who enroll themselves into the army as in the officer rank because that's usually an educated rank um is dwindling that is going down so it's no longer like a seen as a career option for a lot of people you know they want to go abroad and study they want to do different things


go abroad and study they want to do different things be entrepreneurs do this do that and i mean of course to each their own you know but somehow the army is not seeing that kind of influx of of people anymore uh and that stayed with my dad you know and he told him that you know sir i'm glad you shared this with me i'm gonna i'm gonna write a script about it to let to try and encourage people to to get motivated to to be part of the indian army and that's why we made that film and the film released in 2004 in 2017 i went to the ima i hadn't been back since we had shot there in 2003 i went back i was in deradon for some other work um and i requested the ima you know if i can come and visit i haven't been there for 13 years now so i'd like to just come and re just kind of walk down memory lane you know being there so they were very gracious and they


know being there so they were very gracious and they they kind of invited me over and i went saw all those spots that ritik and i had done all these scenes in um and then he took me to this newly i mean new for me which wasn't there when i had gone in 2003. they've built a thing called the vikram batra mess where all the officers meet and uh we went there and he had asked all the the gcs to assemble there so all the cadets were there um in the hundreds right and he said i want to show you something and he took the mic um and he asked the cadets he's like how many of you are here today because you've seen the film launch and almost 70 of all those cadets put their hands up you know so it is just incredible that firstly the power of film you know just kind of revealing itself in that kind of way secondly the story that the reason that this film was written a huge reason that this film was written


was written a huge reason that this film was written was to inspire people to join the army and you're 13 years later you know i'm at i'm at the ima and i see this with my own eyes that so many people are there because of that film you know and and to me like the the power of content the power of communication through through film is it honestly hit home i had never really understood the impact of it up until that point so that film has been very very special you know and and that moment is something that's kind of like just now choppered into my head you know when i was there it's it's just it's really made me think about um the success of a movie in in a very different in a very different kind of way we've had special forces personnel on this show a bunch of them and uh they've told me about how the main issue with the indian army right now is the branding of it and my response to them has always been yeah probably the only


response to them has always been yeah probably the only branding that the army has got is laksh like i mean there are other movies about it but for an entire generation born in the 90s born in the late 80s all of us relate to lakshman and you've not just made people join the army you've also helped the everyday guy or the everyday girl look at life in a very different way like i woke up after that movie you know thank you so much man thank you that's very sweet of you even with youtube and i'm i'm basically running startups and i'm also doing youtube right so i have to gear switch my creativity a lot and i have been asked in the past like who do you look up to but as a youtuber we don't have reference points man because we're the first generation doing this so our reference points are you guys like people who've done that thing in the 2000s and i often have said farana just because he does multiple things like producer director


farana just because he does multiple things like producer director or whatever so why are you doing so much um i think for the very same reason that you are you know i mean you want to express yourself in whichever way you feel you'd like to you know and and again i mean we have fortunate people there you know that we we get to do what we love to do we can make that our job we can make money off of it we can live our lives off of it you know it doesn't happen to everyone you know so many people love something else but end up doing something else because they don't have a choice you know so every single day gratitude is most important you know um and and that's all it is and and i i follow my heart and i'm thankful every single day to the audience and to the viewer and to the listener that allows me that that freedom to be able to do it you know so um that's that's essentially what it is so do you know who kunal


what it is so do you know who kunal shah is he's this entrepreneur he runs a company called credit sold free charge so uh he's he's also one of the biggest twitter influencers in india and he he tweeted this thing about creativity and just creative professionals right he said that anyone who's in any sort of creative job where you see something and then your job is to convert it into reality it's very different from say noble professions like being a doctor or a lawyer we have to work in structure here you get to work in free space yeah you follow a scientific process there yeah and again noble professions but as robin williams said in dead poets society this is what you know life is about poetry and romance and all that um but in these professions you're required to see something and then go and execute like how you said you have a film that you want to direct uh but and you'll go go down that route soon um so when you actually see your end product you


um so when you actually see your end product you have a huge sense of like happiness do you feel that that's like protected you in the long term just i'm not talking to you as the professional i'm just talking to you as the human being uh do you think it's kept your mental state kind of in place because i feel that a lot i went into startups for my ambition and the more i went deep into startups the more i realized what but my joy is in filmmaking my joy is in writing do you feel that ever considering that you're also a producer uh no absolutely you know honestly if if i didn't uh if i didn't write if i didn't direct and if i didn't have these opportunities to to play these characters i think i'd go out of my mind there you know it keeps me sane you know because i mean i you're constantly i mean i don't know i mean this is whether it's genetic whether it's i don't know just the the environment that


it's i don't know just the the environment that you grew up in you know uh what influence i don't know where these influences come from i guess it's an amalgamation of many things um but my what excites me is is an idea what excites me is wanting to create something you know what excites me is like you start thinking of oh this love story of a boxer and now how do i make that into a film you know and then you just sit and you think about it and think about it and write things and tear things and write things and delete things and you know what i mean till you arrive at a place where it's like this is finally what it is that you were trying to say it comes out so i mean there is and i don't know that drives me you know and and honestly that keeps me sane because i mean i don't know what i do with all that energy otherwise um i i don't think i'm qualified to do those mobile jobs you know


think i'm qualified to do those mobile jobs you know um as as great as they are and as well as they are done by people who who love them um i'm not qualified for that you know and so this is uh this is it for me this is the life i've chosen with with absolute joy and total abandon you know so um i i love it it keeps me sane for sure after having directed after having understood scripts what do you look for in a film as an actor like why do you take on certain films this is because you want to put that part out of yourself like is there something inside you that you want to express to the film what why why how do you choose your stuff as an actor you know it's it's difficult to say how it it it happens because it's there's no formula to it you know or there's no there's no a square plus b square equals c square in this in this uh in this field at all you know um it's when you read


field at all you know um it's when you read something or when you hear something or when you think of something your body has some kind of like a physiological reaction to it you know um it it excites your mind and it excites your your being at the same time um and that's when you know that there's something worth exploring here you know um i mean i've gone through readings where i've almost fallen asleep and you you know immediately that i mean there's no chance you're going to do it you know you're someone's uh narrating a script to you and and you're trying your best how can you conceal yawn without offending them all these things happen you know um but and but when it's exciting um every single paw wakes up here you know and and you're like suddenly sitting at the edge of your seat you're like listening to every word list hanging onto every like kind of pause comma full stop um and you just know um i don't know what causes that to


know um i don't know what causes that to happen i assume that it is uh somehow the coming together of all your life's experiences all uh you know the ambitions that you have uh things that have inspired you in the past things that you would like to hand over to you know as some kind of a collective experience to somebody else sharing um so all those things come together but they come together together in a very illogical way you know i don't think you can describe it logically as to why you say yes to something and no to something else because i mean you could say yes to something that somebody else would have said no to before you you know so what was is it the works exactly the same you know but why have you understood it in a certain way while the other person didn't you know so i i think it's also like this is just accumulation of who you are as a person that somehow finds its uh finds an avenue of expression through playing a