than that there's a few people i've met in my life who when the first time i meet them i feel a certain wave of and i'm just trying to articulate this in the best way possible but i feel a certain wave of freshness and i i also believe that if you are even slightly intuitive or if you're spiritually inclined you become extremely perceptive towards what you feel when you meet somebody for the first time true they don't have to play a big role or a small role in your life just what's that feeling you get and i remember that in my romantic relationships often the ones where i felt very fiery the first time i met them it ended fiery as well and and my deepest friendships the first time i saw someone and i felt calm that friendship or that relationship yeah yeah it blossomed wow i i felt very calm when i met do you remember the first time we ever yes i did at goki yes we met at goki but before that we met


yes we met at goki but before that we met at uh marine drive remember we there was some run a 10k run and that's when vishal introduced you right to me and stuff briefly and then we met at goki for a long time yeah where i spoke to you yeah uh i just i don't know why man like i didn't know that you're gonna help me as much as you did over you know the course of knowing you but i just i felt like i felt this weird like freshness which i again feel with some some people and my gauge of that is this is something there's something very personal that i'm saying on the podcast but i'm deeply into the concept of god i'm deeply into the concept of the universe i don't talk about it often on the internet because i feel like it can be perceived with a certain pre uh preconceived notion oh he's in a god what he's an uncle oh he's he's religious is he right-wing is he left-wing i


he's religious is he right-wing is he left-wing i don't know uh and usually this freshness that i feel from certain people i always come to realize that they are the same but they have a pre um they have an inclination towards the concept of god in the universe uh i want you to talk about that that's something i've never spoken to you about honestly but you you spoke about uh providence right you know being taken care of uh do you feel it roots out of that place where you are conscious of that man in the sky just looking after you and throwing down some blessings like what's what's that like because uh discovering god discovering the universe is a pleasure you only experience once you put your body in your mind through it man uh what's your opinion on this yes i believe in the universe i believe in god now which god that is don't i'm not going to say jesus is the best i'm not going to say i'm not going to talk about our


going to say i'm not going to talk about our religions i'll talk about mine because this is about me not you know everyone's free to have their own views yes why give it a name i've been brought up in christianity i'm a catholic jesus christ i have faith i'll use his name in prayers you know sometimes subconsciously because maybe that's part of my childhood you chant in your head subconsciously yes we have our own mantras we have our own prayers i say them in the morning i see them in the evening sometimes i say them mindlessly sometimes i see them with depth you know but my whole point is i don't want to try to understand it further it's not going to get me anything you see a lot of people today are trying to search deeper into stuff my point is what i've learned is we learn while living life i can't take a break from living life and decide i'm going to go on to this part to search for a deeper meaning because i've


part to search for a deeper meaning because i've seen those people and they finally come back and they're back on that part of life what what if we find our deeper meaning or whether god is real or not while living life everything happens while we're living so is there a god yes absolutely do i believe in prayer absolutely i've seen miracles happen with my patients who pray i've seen someone with a brain tumor a girl in bandra who would never have the money to go through surgeries and when she was given you know what it would cost her at least hospital for the surgery and stuff she just went home calm whatever said i'll just go for sunday mass with faith and whatever and stuff she doesn't have a tumor anymore today now what can we say about that her belief her faith doesn't matter i don't need to know what it is i don't need a study to prove it it works it makes you feel good she has faith it's worked i don't need science now to tell


it's worked i don't need science now to tell her whether it worked or not or whatever this prayer my whole life has worked around prayer my whole life when i need help i ask for it if it comes to me it's great if it doesn't come to me i know it's for a better reason everything i prayed for there was a point in my career i was in that cold call center phase and at that point jet air was was blooming emirates so the the biggest thing was like becoming an airport you know a flight person or an air hostess that was like the fanciest life you fly you travel and i lived in chimbai so as you come out of chiang mai this saint andrews church i would go there and kneel and pray every day please make me a flight person please make me apply for so it never happened i went for interviews jet airways got kicked out because i couldn't speak hindi emirates they said you have to come to dubai for the


said you have to come to dubai for the interview didn't have money for my ticket all of that stuff today when i look back i'm so happy it didn't happen i mean i have nothing against flight personnel but for me it was never the right thing i would ask like i'm praying so much why isn't it happening so do i believe in god and mysteries which is the universe when people say there are mysteries in life you know things people are scared to discuss that you know they're easy to say oh prove that god exists or prove that the universe gives back prove all of these things and stuff like that prove that it doesn't yeah prove that dozen is one massive one and look in the mirror explain you explain you from a cell to what you are right now can your science explain that can medical science explain that no can medical science explain the composition of breast milk and how perfect the composition is and how did the body make it no so let's agree there are


the body make it no so let's agree there are some things in life which is beyond human intelligence whether that forces from the universe god whatever your choice your choice but absolutely am i god fearing i wouldn't say i am because there are many things i've done if you were god-fearing you wouldn't do it but i think i'm pretty practical i understand like you know again we have ten commandments okay in the bible okay uh there are so many people who follow the ten commandments okay and there are so many people who don't who may break them you know there's no data showing us that the people who have broken the ten commandments are the ones suffering there are people who are doing everything suffering is way beyond just your faith in god it's beyond just these things it's unexplained like you prayed all your life why have you gotten sick okay i know a priest who has gotten cancer and he asks me saying luke i've served god my entire life what do


i've served god my entire life what do i tell them hey this is part of your plan what are you going to learn from it it's part of your plan why are you seeing it as a negative just because cancer is a negative term yeah i wish you didn't have it you wish you didn't have it but why don't you consider it in your path like when you preach to us that suffering is a part of life maybe this is your journey that you're going we have to change perspectives of how we see it but yeah there is a higher force no doubt the universe where has all this come like i'm telling you a story today which doesn't which goes against everything that leadership teaches you mbas teach you strategy teaches you and yes grace of god built a successful business have a great team and all of that stuff without doing anything that the books say that's how success is defined where's that come from my intelligence no i've just admitted on your show that i'm i'm


just admitted on your show that i'm i'm i was i was a poor student i don't have i don't understand complication where's it come from a higher force maybe i'm doing something right maybe my intentions are good maybe i believe in something with faith and i'm getting back from the universe you know if i'm gonna sit here today and visualize money coming into my account tried it all the secret all of that stuff you know life is trying to show me that hey you've already got what you need in terms of you know what the what the mechanism is you're effective with your patient abundance comes in 10 times more than what you're doing sitting and saying i want five crores i want 10 crores and stuff like that so you see again the secret or whatever great books but if you try to go by textbook knowledge again everyone right now should have attracted everything right but why not everyone's understood the concept it's alignment it's how you take that and align most people run when i


you take that and align most people run when i ask them say manifest if you ask me to explain manifestation in two words which i know works because we've had i i have a multiple sclerosis patient who visualized coming to see me and reset one year later walking she was in a wheelchair when she came to preview she came walking with a walking stick diet plan all of that what worked for me visualize i saw myself pressing the lift button getting in walking to you and stuff like that she's saying that's the thing i visualize every single day so manifestation is two things one no crystal clear what you want there cannot be no i want to be rich what is rich to you is it money is it a bmw is it a yacht is it family is it love in your relation you have to be so crystal clear and then you got to start feeling like you're already getting it so how will that's it in the most simple way visualization manifestation is crystal clear goal so when when i ask


is crystal clear goal so when when i ask people who are struggling in their relationships what kind of guy do you want i want a hard-working guy that's not crystal clear you can get a hard-working guy who beats you up every day you can get a hard-working guy who's on drugs and alcohol you have to be so crystal clear about what you want and then start living it like you've got it like how will i feel when i've got this partner how will i feel when i have a million dollars in my account but you see most people are accumulating and not feeling it that that's when it becomes ingratitude and the cycle breaks so if you ask me these things are real my entire life is built i told you i never visualized till the age of 34 or 35 when i started seeing the power of this today it's like everything in my life is visualized every single thing in my life is visualized because i have a crystal clear vision of what i want and


have a crystal clear vision of what i want and the things that i that i don't get when i reflect why didn't i get this i wasn't sure about what i wanted i just said oh i want to be you know traveling the world doing this this this no i want to be traveling to new york london dubai vietnam crystal clear and how am i going to be when i land in vietnam and i have like 100 patients waiting for me how am i going to be when i changed that i started living the dream every three months new york london dubai singapore going towards a wait list of patients crystal clear all i did was change i'd have to change anything i didn't study more to make that dream happen i had the skills i just didn't have clarity of thought so god of course i believe absolutely the power of prayer unbelievable to whoever you're praying to if you really break down prayer it cannot work without faith and belief so today ranveer if


work without faith and belief so today ranveer if you're praying to the universe you're embracing a tree or whatever it is with faith and belief again it's intention connected with thought clarity and the feeling that you are going to get it that's faith and belief that could be prayer without even mentioning religion without any we know so many people who chant prayers all the time mindlessly but yet they're so worried they come look i'm at sunday mass every day i go to the temple five times i say five i do five times of prayer during the day and stuff like that and whatever and they're so stressed and anxious i say if you're praying so much what happened to faith and belief you're supposed to surrender your problems how can you pray and you're still trying to micromanage your problems anxiety you're not praying the right way so don't blame prayer blame the process which you with what you're doing it i don't that's the whole point when people say luke


don't that's the whole point when people say luke you're not stressed how can i be stressed about something i cannot control what's what am i gaining out of it i have to surrender it i ask for guidance i know i'm going to be taken care of if i can do something do it if i can't i have to surrender it but trying to control something that you can't it's the most i think it's a drain of energy and it's something that you can never achieve never ever achieve so we have to know clarity i can control this i can't control this what i can't control so can i am 100 sure i cannot do anything about it you can't do anything about it surrender let me give you an example a patient you have a patient who's dying okay there are certain things that you cannot do but what's the one thing i can do get the family together make the last few hours comfortable for the patient you know that's the one percent i can do but


you know that's the one percent i can do but i can still do something about it i can't change the kidney which is failing hour by hour no one can change that but one percent you can make a difference in that life so there's always something that can be done so yes god deeper term and i don't care what people think you know people say oh you're a roman catholic oh but like you said but you know jesus did this but i it doesn't matter to me it doesn't matter to me i've not read the full bible myself i've taken what means to me and i've made my life story out of it so i don't care what people think it's my life my faith what i do is working for me it's working for me that's my path couldn't couldn't bother me what's what someone's opinion is about it and some people come but look you know this is connected with this have you seen this in this religion and that i said of course the vedas are beautiful the


that i said of course the vedas are beautiful the quran is also beautiful but it all comes down to one message kindness compassion fate belief service can you debate any of that they say no it's the same thing i said then for me that's where it ends simplicity why are you complicating it why do you need to complicate it you don't need to it's the same message that every religion is preaching now my question to you is what are you doing about it are you still chasing complication or are you starting to practice what every religion is boiling down to and that's the way i see it so yeah i don't know if i'm religious i don't think i am spiritual yes do i have faith absolutely yes do i you know can i say every point in my life today is because of what i have done i've been guided you know there are times i've told my team so many times after i've spoken to a client i'm like that wasn't me talking that was up


like that wasn't me talking that was up there why should i take credit when i know it wasn't me i'm being guided what to say to a dying patient or a patient over here i've not been trained no textbooks taught me that it's a force above that's telling me does this mean i'm some spiritual guru and i have a gift no it's just that i'm open to receiving guidance i don't think now like you we're chasing learning all the time if we put a cap on it we stop receiving when we're open to it we're receiving like i'll tell you where most people fail in meditation they're trying too hard they're trying close my eyes stop my thoughts no meditation is about close your eyes and receive maybe today you won't receive anything in the session tomorrow be open to receiving because power and energy has to be received you can't chase it so meditation most people failed and i can't stop my mind i'm like you've not understood meditation just sit down


like you've not understood meditation just sit down receive what are you receiving in those five minutes or years 10 minutes and then take from there and build whatever you have to do so you know these are things which you know people see in different perceptions but now someone would run behind a study and say that unless this is proven i won't do it you're lost you're going to waste a lifetime and 10 years later in your life you'll find that oh this study was wrong now which is the next study no use your intuition use your gut instinct science can never explain even surgeons okay use their gut instinct in a surgery if they go by the textbook that if this happens you do this no they think out of the box they use gut instincts and that's how they save their life if they to go back only the textbook the patient dies and every surgeon knows that every pilot knows that there is gut instinct which science can't explain so these are mysteries in


which science can't explain so these are mysteries in life which we should respect we should never ridicule if you don't believe in it fine you ridicule it you know you're only interrupting the energies that are also guiding you but you're too blinded by your own ego and your pride and the confusion in your mind which is why again meditation is so important for us to see clarity like look at you you know look at you you're different from other people doesn't mean you're better than other people doesn't mean i'm better than someone you're different different is great different is great because you're harnessing energy the same energy all there are four of us in this room right now the same energy exists what you are taking and harnessing that energy and making out of it okay is what is making who you you know you who you are today everyone's getting the same energy everyone that's why we always say stress is not bad stress is an energy it's what you make of it it's what you relate


what you make of it it's what you relate to it you put five people in a room with a problem some of them will see it as stress some of them will see it as challenge some of people will say no big deal the same problem but the way we perceive it the way we harness it this is how it is [Laughter] i've cried on the podcast for the first time it's it's that's how it is and you know my whole point ranveer the reason i like doing content with you is because it's real i'm telling you there are loads of podcasts no disrespect but we have finite time if i'm going to give 45 minutes to listen to a podcast i want impact i don't want to learn hear about stuff that okay maybe nice you know i love social media i feel sorry for a lot of so-called fans and i wish they could change and understand that be a fan but don't idealize some what are you doing with your extraordinary life you are going to die you


with your extraordinary life you are going to die you have finite time okay don't just be this gluten fan on social media putting everyone on a pedestal what are you doing with your life your life people don't understand the unlimited potential talent that they have but they're locking that energy following one person trying to be like them learn build your life learn build your life so currently right i take away from the best doctors the best nutritionist the best people all of that and i'm building me i'm building me but other people are taking and saying oh let me see what i should do to be better than him let me pull this person down wasting a lifetime there's there's abundance in the world but there's an attitude of lack everyone feels there's not enough but there is so much so much so when they change their perspective they start to change their life right then i love you man like you you don't know how much like i mean while i'm grateful for whatever the social media career has


i'm grateful for whatever the social media career has given me this is what i'm most i'm grateful for social media well but i feel for them the other day i put up a post i said do not be put people on a pedestal okay respect them honor them appreciate them but the moment you put them on a pedestal you've lowered yourself do you feel you need to lower yourself you don't have to you don't have to do that at all in in our religion i think all religions against it they say worship me but it is useless if you are not taking my teachings and putting it out to other people don't just come on sunday mass and touch my toes and kiss me if you are going and treating your brother and your sister and your society badly you know don't do that that's false religion and that's so beautiful that's so beautiful so i see that happening on social media people are all like trying to be what about you what about


all like trying to be what about you what about that unique talent that you know you're blurring yourself away from and when you find it people say look how did you find your passion i didn't go searching for it i found a gap i felt inclined towards it it became my passion it's as simple as that there's no strategy around finding it you like something put it first give it your all that's your passion someone's passion could be cooking you love cooking you have a passion you have a passion already you know so i think simplifying things is what keeps me the happiest because i think the world needs simplicity at this point in every aspect i do agree when they say that god talks through you and and and then i feel i feel like i have to reflect on it and agree yeah i'm not a smart guy i'm being honest and it's not negative self-talk no it's not negative self-talk my daughter tiana's seven years old she's smart like you said that generation


seven years old she's smart like you said that generation intelligent beyond beyond old souls and a very different generation you know shilpa shetty and i were talking the other day because of her son tiana almost of the same age and she was like luke this generation is going to be that change we need that change and i can see it happen i can see it happen they're like so so intelligent in a different way and it's a good positive thing to see that's why we keep the balance this world has to grow up also with social media and everything but i think as a society we need to guide them in the right direction be on social media but that's not you okay put your picture up on social media but that's not you the real you is you are you happy are you happier when someone gives you likes on instagram these are questions that we have to keep asking them because they reflect they say yeah i'm happy right now you know so it's we have a lot of work


you know so it's we have a lot of work at this stage in our life bro you know to make them think differently not preach to them but make them think differently like with tiana right now like everyone says look you know you may be this health nutritionist but they will go through drugs they will go so if they go through it big deal i went through it i came out of it fine everyone's tried a joint my dad said look first time you smoke a joint smoke it with me i went home smoked a joint with him lost the thrill of it i mean like there's no thrill anymore he took the thrill out of the whole thing it's no big deal what's a joint but everyone who's been banned from a joint behind a thrill like oh i smoked a joint you know my first try and second joy and stuff like that so i've been i go up to tea and i say come on let's go out let's go to a shop today let's buy some


let's go to a shop today let's buy some cigarettes and smoke should say daddy smoking isn't good for you and i say no come on it's the cool thing if you and i want to be cool let's smoke a cigarette from the age of five i've been doing these things with the role plays and models now i'm not saying it's foolproof tomorrow she goes and tries a cigarette i do know she will try it and i'm okay i'm happy if she tries but i know she will not continue to process because it's in her subconscious mind right now so we can only do the best we can the best we can we can everything we do cannot be foolproof at all and stuff like that so i'm experimenting with her she's my daughter before i preach to the world i'm going to make it work the way i want to do it you know i'll give you another example with tiana uh when she was about to turn two and all the parents around were oh


to turn two and all the parents around were oh luke be ready for the terrible twos the tantrum threes for me it didn't make sense i'm like this can't be normal and in my mind that may be your story it doesn't have to be my daughter's story and stuff like that till date piano 7 i remember one tantrum for something stupid natasha maybe about three four tantrums and stuff otherwise it's been a brilliant part now if we had succumbed our thinking to what everyone said we're manifesting it oh be ready oh she's throwing a tantrum but we went in with an energy that this doesn't have to be our child so when everyone out there saying oh the terrible teens will come and all these parents are my child my child you're inviting all of that stuff that doesn't have to be your kid it doesn't have to be okay why are you inviting that why are you manifesting something which is someone else's story in your life it doesn't have to be that way


in your life it doesn't have to be that way your story can be different and how many teenagers are there out there who are stable who have made lives like you and careers they exist right so those people's thinking are their stories which they're trying to project on someone else and if you're not strong enough you'll become a victim of their projection but if you're strong enough like that's your story mine can be different and so even if my daughter enters a terrible teen i'll deal with it at that point but i'm not going to start thinking now of a problem that may never exist is my point simplicity you know stay away from anxiety which is not required so my body's shaking right now and i'm not i'm not exaggerating man like this is this is just some magic that you've thrown into this content piece like it's it's crazy and you know like just the fact that i get to be a part of this thing with you just letting questions at you yeah man this is the


just letting questions at you yeah man this is the joy of podcasting honestly like that people don't don't understand on that side of the camera and i hope that someone's listening to this in 2031 41 they should know that in 2021 some something happened in this which brings me to the last portion of this particular episode i need i need a break i need to like find my words but it brings me to the last part of this episode which is questions from our twitter verse man again like listeners of this podcast know that i've not entered someone like that my voice is shaking okay um tushar vyas asks where do you get your tattoo inspiration from you and i'd love to know this inspiration because okay i'll tell you the first time i ever got a tattoo i got her in a painful part of my existence i don't know if that's the case for you but it gives me strength every day i heard the rock say this about his own tattoos he said that there's


this about his own tattoos he said that there's a certain uh cultural trait in maori culture and samoan culture where they associate tattoos with strength and moments of their life and their own warrior spirit uh i don't know how much of that is true and how much of that is truly spiritual but what i do know is that you make your life spiritual or non spiritual through your experiences and your thoughts and there's a lot of positivity i attach to my tattoos so i'd love to know some of yours like so i grew up in goa during the hippie time okay and i was always fascinated with these people you know white skin beautiful artwork okay my dad would appreciate paintings okay and i would appreciate body art you know i was there was this one phase where i would go around and see anyone with a tattoo which was very rare at that point like indians having tattoos were very rare foreigners and i was saying can i please click a


and i was saying can i please click a picture of yours tell me the story behind your tattoo and everyone had this fabulous story about why what some of them pain related some of the dark phases of their life some of them for strength some of them were like you know i just wanted to be different you know different stories and stuff so for me i was like when i get a tattoo it's gonna be you know on this arm and that arm and stuff so i went into my dad he said do what you want when you earn your own money and you're 18 years old so like i said earlier in the podcast the moment i was 18 i went and got my first second tattoo it grew to an addiction so i said i'll have my own body art on me because i don't appreciate paintings and stuff like that i can't figure out all of that stuff but i said i want my own art to be with me not hanging on a wall so that got through it


not hanging on a wall so that got through it anything that was good in my life at that point or symbolized something i did it so in the yoga phase i got a little bit of a you know yoga tattoo in my rave party days i got a whole psychedelic arm with aliens and stars abstract on one part and stuff zero regrets absolutely not spiritual at all not to stand out show off all of that stuff it's something personal to me i used to feel good having that ink and stuff like that on me it's just is there any inspiration you get from one particular piece uh no so i have i have this in hebrew which is dreamer i have this and you know only god can judge me so that's very very close to my heart like none of us can judge anyone none of us only god can judge us the universe can judge us so that's something which is very inspirational to me also sometimes when my mind goes into judging someone and stuff like that like


goes into judging someone and stuff like that like nope you can't judge that person that's god's job your job is to do what you need to do so yeah that's one inspirational part and stuff will i do another tattoo right now i think i'm out of the phase but it doesn't mean i may not do it yeah i kept a small part on my back which is free and i want tiana to draw what she wants like whatever it's crooked and stuff like that and i want to get that tattooed so it's like raw art of hers on my body so i'll probably do that at some point you know just waiting for our skills to get a little bit better a little bit out of whatever now but yeah man um oh this is a nice one so umang kelani asks describe the two parts of his life okay luke described the two parts of your life in one word each before getting into the world of health and after getting into the world of health i think it would be


into the world of health i think it would be clueless to cluden you think just health does that do you yeah i'm clued into my purpose now right before that i was clueless i was happy just going with the flow no complaints clueless when i'm clued in i know what my life mission is i know what my gift is and i need to utilize it so yeah i think it would be clueless to clued in okay in short lucky vignesh at fit men's factory asks i know you've highlighted this in the podcast if you had to highlight some of the initial struggles you faced when you were starting out if you had to highlight the difficulties what would the difficulties be oh that's a brilliant question so number one okay i didn't have all the fancy certifications that other nutritionists and all have you know i had my basic ihm where nutrition is subject of course it's a proper three-year course all of that stuff i had my gcta so the first thing people


stuff i had my gcta so the first thing people would shoot you down especially when you were growing like oh you don't have these qualifications you're not a registered dietitian all of that so i had to go through that struggle like go through that and in my mind is one day i will build my own institute that teaches you my way of thinking and we've done it today and affiliated so that was a struggle for sure number two the second struggle was making the decision of changing from a comfortable 10-year job of fixed money coming in to something where you've never done before so that was a struggle that lasted for 24 hours you know the other struggles was making a name for yourself because you don't know who you no one knows you no one knows you from corporate to the health field and stuff like that so that was a little bit of a struggle but uh i think uh that was yeah the third part on a personal front uh so when i got married and we had tiana


uh so when i got married and we had tiana a year later that was the time my career was like i needed to be in london dubai all of these places so that you know thing is like your wife's gonna deliver a baby okay and this is the time where you can't be there okay so that was a little bit of a struggle but of course i had her support completely her mom was down she said just go for it and all of that stuff so these were struggles which i still think about but not really as a struggle struggle that's what i can think of right now yeah uh at artist 22 asks luke what's your way of dealing with toxic and negative people around you and i have some context here i remember being in this hall i was hosting an event uh you were one of the keynote speakers you gave like a really powerful keynote speech that's the first time i kind of had an open conversation with you also i don't know if you remember this and


you also i don't know if you remember this and there was a panel you were a part of after your keynote speech and you had dominated the room with that speech i remember people being wowed i was about my co-founder virat was with me he was wow that was the first time he ever came across he said yo this guy's got something uh you were wearing a t-shirt and your track pants and there was a businessman in the same room and same panel as you who was kind of bringing the whole capitalistic uh side to the fitness discussion and he began his uh talk in that panel by kind of criticizing you for having tattoos and you handled it like a gentleman man you you handed it to like a gentleman on the outside and i could i could see through you at that point maybe because of all the meditation or just connecting to another child of god i don't know you didn't even let that shake you on the inside you he he said something to shake you up do


you he he said something to shake you up do you know what i'm talking about yeah i remember this i remember this very clearly you didn't get shaken up yeah you only got cool that's your opinion yeah about and you know you didn't give him the permission to affect you absolutely because i'd give away my power right i didn't give away my power only when we give away our power can we be controlled so you have to hold on to these i'm 100 clear of why i've done my tattoos and it doesn't define who i am it defined at the start of my career i used to go to the us to see patients in hospitals and stuff and everyone would be wear your long sleeves people would see a tattoo and stuff like that today i walk in in short pants and whatever to see my patients because they're like luke you're real we don't want something someone coming with a suit and a tie so people have perspectives that works for me it works for a guy with a


works for me it works for a guy with a suit and a tie big deal wear your suit and a tie don't try to change me you you have like this unshake and concrete sense of self confidence which i've i've picked up from you that's what i've learned from you see my job in that room is to share my knowledge it doesn't bother me if someone's bothered about what i wear unless i'm disrespecting someone and stuff like that like when i when i go to dubai and i'm with the sheikh you say look come as you are but certain events i need you to wear the arabic tradition for respect of people absolutely fine but other events he's saying be you that's who you are you're here not for your dress your year for your knowledge so i'm very clear about that so when i'm on stage or whenever i'm whatever i'm very clear about my intention my intention is to impact people give my message nothing else nothing else bothers me at all so yeah i


else nothing else bothers me at all so yeah i handle this you know uh it doesn't shake me up that much probably would before and stuff like when i was remembering the people pleaser phase we're like okay i better dress up now and go and stuff like that but after a while people want me for my knowledge not for how i look and stuff like that so yeah i remember this i remember this very very sorry i'm bringing you back i'm happy you brought it up again because i want people to know that you know i mean yes it's nice to dress up all of that stuff i mean you dress up fab you dress up really really well it goes with you my image goes with me and i want everyone to understand that if that's unique to you and you're comfortable it doesn't matter what the world thinks it doesn't matter what the world thinks at all i mean look at look at look at david cox he does all his interviews the way he is because you want me for my


the way he is because you want me for my knowledge or do you want me to look good be be specific tell me tomorrow you want me on a podcast and say luke i want you to look good okay it's different your intention is not to take my brain i won't even come for a podcast because i'm not going to just dress up and cut so and intention is everything i want i want a younger generation also to realize that oh stop looking for validation are you comfortable when i started off on facebook and stuff where people were like you need an image consultant you need to dress i said my job is my message my job is done it's built uh you know multi-million dollar industry today you know without me having to change my co and stuff like that so yeah i don't think these things shake me up at all it's a personal decision i don't have a regret now if i have a regret i would be attached to guilt and i would be submissive to that person yes you


and i would be submissive to that person yes you know i shouldn't you know but that time i was young i would justify you know as a kid you know teenagers i was a dj so i would justify you don't have to justify anything that you believe in because you're so strongly you know include with what your beliefs are no one can shake them ever no one can ever shake them every single time i meet you i pick up something different from you and you usually answer the kind of questions that are boiling within my mind maybe in that same week or probably the previous day um i remember this particular incident was the first time i picked up something from you and i was dealing with a lot of image related issues because i had just gotten into the world of fashion based content i was dating someone who's extremely image driven at that point and that energy rubs off on you and i saw this happening do you have my first inclination when this was happening was that i felt extreme


when this was happening was that i felt extreme anger towards that businessman who i look up to now by the way i followed that guy on twitter and i see his thoughts i realized okay there's more to him and this was one aspect of his insecurities that he was projecting on you i felt anger to him and the way you handled it kind of just cooled me down a bit it made me more self-confident just by observing you in that room the second time i met you in person which was also the first interview i did with you for beer biceps right um i picked up so much from you even off camera in that but what i picked up for you the most was your sense of belief and how you said that you had spoken to billionaires yeah and you ask them what's common between all of them between all of them and yeah they said that they all began with a sense of belief and i think that's the point in my career where i broke my own perceived


in my career where i broke my own perceived limits about my own capabilities i always thought that the best case scenario for me is to be a media entrepreneur yeah you know make a little bit of money here and there but i won't be able to change the country with my current capabilities yeah and that switched something in me when now i really started thinking big i started thinking about changing india yeah absolutely and you can why not you're already doing it see you you've done it even if you've done it with one person okay that means you have the capability to incite change okay now you're adding a number to it okay it doesn't change the fact okay that you know you can't change you change one person now like like bruce lee says you want to perfect that kick okay practice that kick 1000 times period you've got the first kick perfect now practice it a thousand times so you're impacting one person at a time me like so when i say i want to change the world that world for me is


want to change the world that world for me is not like every single country that world is if you're sitting in front of me right now that's my world right now i change you i change someone else tomorrow and that's what builds up the entire the mass of the world but going out and saying i'm going to change the whole world that's like a very like you know uh loose statement which i will not have faith in but if a patient in front of me at that point in that 30 minutes they have with me is my world there's nothing else that's my world i changed their life i've changed the world so i've changed the definition of what the world is to me so when you say oh my my daughter is my world okay which means you know at that point whether she's sleeping whatever she's my world so sometimes we need to take these words and redefine it according to what we are so yes can i say i'm changing the world today of course i am changing the world because my


today of course i am changing the world because my definition of the world doesn't have to be what other people think yeah i'm changing it one world at a time yeah you know there's one of the criticisms that our team receives that we talk too much about changing india but that's genuinely because i believe it begins with a belief of course you have like there has to be that one guy who thinks that big for the other people to say okay we back you man yeah but you know you have to look at it differently you're bang on with your first point you know why do people have a problem with that because they don't want to change you know once uh i had a patient who came to me okay to lose weight and diabetes and said and said i know all of this i know this i know this i should do this this this this this this and he said okay please give me a diet plan i said you don't need a diet plan he said what do i need i


a diet plan he said what do i need i said you need to just do whatever you said you should be doing he's saying i paid you so much for this i said yeah that's the prescription you answered everything the right way you just lack action how can a diet plan okay substitute action yeah you don't need a diet plan she's really angry went up on twitter and all i paid his expensive fees and he told me action i went and replied to him i said still the prescription is the same you only have to action what you need to do you know so we got to call a spade a spade at some point and stuff like that there are just too many people talking out there but not applying not applying and you know what a lot of that comes from low self worth yeah that's 100 percent a lot of it from low settings and you you uh kind of try eclipsing that low self-worth with your sense of intellect oh absolutely that's why i said extremes


intellect oh absolutely that's why i said extremes remember people want to move into extremes they feel important they feel empowered that oh i'm vegan i'm cannibal and i respect you yeah do it quietly do it quietly you know i i said this in a tweet and i mean you can bleep off the word i said there are people who literally themselves scentless senseless by overeating over consuming porn over dieting over exercising and then they want extremes to solve the problem okay if you over consume porn okay no fap is not your solution okay balance is your solution if you've over consumed fat diets going to an extreme diet is not your solution achieving balance is your solution these are good things no fap all of that stuff but don't make this your world you've over consumed you not just become some spiritual guru of no fap when you were consuming porn like eight hours in a day and now you move from one extreme to another learn self-restraint not nofap don't


extreme to another learn self-restraint not nofap don't go to an extreme extremes are easy but restraint like i want to watch porn right now but i use self-restraint and i don't do it you've made a new neural circuit in your mind by no fap you've not really developed anything else over time yes you may do it but show me self-restraint and discipline now in the moment but you're empowering yourself with an extreme mechanism which is not sustainable which is not sustainable the basis of kama sutra is balance okay you're not like screwing and making love every single night the beauty of kama sutras there's a preparation towards that weekend you know of conversation gestures giving a flower cooking food that's your build up that's your foreplay to the main event and stuff like that i mean you're shagging every day and all of that stuff and whatever and then you want to choose an extreme and then that becomes your self identity that becomes your identity so now you


your self identity that becomes your identity so now you feel special that oh wow but no you're not showing people that you over consumed something before so your extreme is not a solution what about people my happiest people okay are not on fat diets they're not on fat exercises they enjoy a shag whenever they want they're doing all of these things and they're happy so is extremes better than balance is the debatable question or it is a sense of you know identity yeah i'm right there wrong yeah i'm feeling part of a group i can't stand up i can't stand up alone and say that this is it i need to hide with a group i have to hide with a group and stuff i i have nothing against these things but my point is you have to look deeper below these things and stuff like that so i have people no fab look i'm having nightfalls what is your body trying to tell you you have extra semen in your testicles go get a good shag or if you


testicles go get a good shag or if you have a partner make love seriously you know what's listen to your body these are natural things now over masturbation is your problem you've abused the system i talk about alcohol the problem is never with alcohol the problem is with the person behind the alcohol if alcohol was bad everyone should have liver cirrhosis everyone should be drunk but the people who abuse it use it with the wrong intention so you don't blame the alcohol you blame the person so extremes you know i mean these things are messing up society every young guy thinks i need to be okay let me select my path okay oh vegans are getting attention people doing it for the right reasons great i understand do it do it the right way but don't make it your identity because your self-worth is so low that's my point yeah i feel like even like i mean every young person goes through this where you have to kind of bounce between extremes to then come to


kind of bounce between extremes to then come to equilibrium i've gone through that as well yeah all of us have yeah but finally balance look i mean there's no debate about that look at nature nature is balance it is balanced even though the one flower arose there can be five roses they will all look different balanced they can't all look the same it's the same we're products of nature at the end of the day we work in balance of equilibrium that's why it's called a rhythm your heartbeat is a rhythm your pulse rate is a rhythm your breath is a rhythm what happens now if the rhythm of your breath changes the rhythm of your heart changes the rim of your pulse you move away from it's called homeostasis when everything's working in rhythm okay that is nature the moment one of them change your body moves into the uh sympathetic nervous system fight and flight something's wrong so until ranveer's heartbeat comes back into normal which is homeostasis you know the body is in


which is homeostasis you know the body is in stress mode it is rhythm extremes are not rhythm it's disharmony these people in extreme should be karma people they should be happier people but they're more aggressive and angry and stuff like that because the intention is wrong okay simple question sanket khandelwal asks how to maintain consistency in life that's a simple but profound question yeah i think it's a beautiful question because like every like the two main ingredients for achievement and anything in life is discipline and consistency so consistency is like you're already doing it right uh i believe you're brushing your teeth every morning right that's consistency okay it's the same thing something that is important to you if you're unable to be consistent with something that means you've not assigned it enough of value it's not important to you don't fool yourself make it important first then it becomes consistent like brushing your teeth is important to you you don't want your mouth to smell so you do it


want your mouth to smell so you do it consistently yes it's become a habit because when you do something consistently it becomes a habit so if your health is really important to you okay so people come look i'm not motivated to work out i said because it's not important to you it's not important you make it important first so you can't keep motivating yourself every day but if you make it important you'll automatically find so it's all about assigning values so whatever it is that you're trying to be consistent with assign it value assign a value and then start doing it you'll fail a couple of days get back on that's what builds consistency over time okay this is slightly kind of a health and maybe brain related question neetu singha asks i have dreams every night when i go to sleep i never get a good night's sleep and how to solve it uh is there any solution to having dreamless if she's talking about rem sleep mm-hmm uh so how to increase the honor it


mm-hmm uh so how to increase the honor it depends there's nothing wrong with dreams but if you can remember all of your dreams in the morning that means you've not gone into deep sleep and that's why you're possibly feeling tired and fatigued throughout the day so what happens is definitely meditation or deep breathing or left nostril breathing before that helps you to move there are your alpha waves your beta your theta your gamma so we want to move into these right phases of deep sleep and deep sleep is when it's dreamless many of us may not reach that stage and if we reach it it's probably even for just a few minutes but that's your deepest sleep so if you can remember all of your dreams you're not sleeping deep enough doesn't the dreams are not bad but what is your environment before you get to bed you know do your deep breathing your pranama cut away from social media because that keeps the thought process going you've not yet hit your waves of deep


process going you've not yet hit your waves of deep sleep so that's that's a very common thing it's nothing to worry about but you want to fall into deeper sleep using these mechanisms i'd probably say look into luke's raw and real uh you might you might find some pranayama related uh pieces okay samrit singh rajput he's quoted my tweet and says are there any tips for students who are in school or colleges there's a lot of mental health issues going around any advice for mental health for school and college students okay so my first question again if you do have a genuine mental health problem okay fine but really is your problem a mental health problem or is there a norm that society is defined for you that you have made a problem like oh i can't party for three saturdays because i have to study is that really a problem or is it something that you should be sacrificing if you want to achieve something a lot of so-called mental problems are not really problems it's because it


mental problems are not really problems it's because it doesn't match with the norms that society has given so by now i should be in a psychiatric ward technically because i don't go out on the weekends i don't like chilling with people and friends in a very small circle so when people say look but you're this famous person you don't whatever you know it just because it doesn't fit your norms doesn't make me crazy it doesn't make me seem like i have a mental problem you know so first be honest with yourself is your problem really a mental problem if it is if you need help take it however bad it is number two my my most important point is remember right now that you are responsible for solving your problem as well take help coaching mentors reach out to people your parents communicate all of that stuff being in your own little pit will not solve your problems but know at the end of the day that only you can solve your problem whether you get onto medication it's doing only


problem whether you get onto medication it's doing only its little job of balancing your serotonin your dopamine you know whatever it is but finally you have to decide that i'm bigger than this problem i'm bigger in this problem so if they can state a little more in the next podcast maybe what these problems are we can face it like a lot of kids you know i'm mentally depressed i don't have a girlfriend i said bro today that's a positive at that age why do you want to be locked in at 13 you know go explore your options learn from everyone i mean you'll have an age where you have to be with one girl right now no 13 is for you to enjoy your life that's not a mental problem but because everyone else has a girlfriend okay you feel inadequate you don't have a mental problem you're just different your time is going to be different for you so we have to break it down so if you really have a mental problem then do whatever i told you but


a mental problem then do whatever i told you but be honest is it really a mental problem don't label things because once you label it it becomes the way you live every single day every single day it becomes the way you live so someone's calling you stupid all the time and you accept it you begin to feel stupid even though you're the most clever person so don't use labels if not necessary if really it's a mental help or a problem possibly specifying it next time can actually help us throw some more light on it okay uh final question this is a team member satyam pandey asks what is the meaning of life see you know i've never asked myself that question because i don't know what answer i want out of it how's it going to change what i do you know i think the meaning of my life is going to be defined by what i do every day you know i mean how how is it going to impact my life right now okay i'm born i'm here i have a


now okay i'm born i'm here i have a path i know what my options are that's my life that's the meaning of my life right now i have a daughter there's meaning in my life i have a job nurture her grow her up with the right values i have patience that's the meaning in my life i mean meaning is what we want to give it i can have everything and still feel life is unfair because i'm ungrateful i don't appreciate what i have it's what we give meaning to it we give meaning to our own lives and it can be different every day today i could have had a great day life is great tomorrow i go through a down it's a bad day doesn't mean life is bad it's a bad day it's not a bad life so you know it's a question i don't know how it's going to impact your life by knowing that answer i think most of us get our most deepest questions answered by living life by living life you know everyone says what is


life by living life you know everyone says what is love okay i'll tell you today okay i don't know what love is because when i love my mother it's very different from the way i love my wife very different from the way i love a friend very different from a way i love my daughter okay so it's an energy it can never ever be the same for everyone else can love change absolutely yes there's a time when we hate our parents and then we re-love them again okay daughter unconditional love so if you ask me today that luke will you uh what if you had to be in another relationship or whatever what kind of girl would you want i would want a girl who i can love the same way that i love my daughter which is unconditional is it possible no they're two different kinds of love so you know with these deep questions i would prefer people see this is what happens when you read spiritual books because they get you into asking these questions and you're like okay and you're searching


these questions and you're like okay and you're searching is it going to make a difference to your life finding an answer maybe your life meaning will be found by you living your life some people on their death beds because i speak to dying patients all the time all the time what's the meaning of my life i have money in the bank i have thing but i'm dying today of cancer and stuff like that so i say what are the five best things that happen in your life my kid my family my thanksgiving that was the meaning of your life period we don't have to go deeper than that why what are we going to get out of it nothing so sometimes even the depth that we get into why are we always going into the deep end is it really necessary is it being in the deep end always going to teach us something not necessary not necessary so this is again what these are the norms that society hits us with someone will start a podcast or something asking you the deepest question so you


or something asking you the deepest question so you get the you know attention of everyone my question is what value is it adding if i tell you the meaning of your life okay is it going to change your life in one way or another absolutely not but i can tell you what you're doing in your life right now is not going to lead you to your goal or you can change this to feel better and stuff like that but meaning no these are the mysteries of life people who are clued into themselves realize that this is the meaning of my life to be happy this is the meaning of my life to forgive i found meaning when i forgived i found meaning when i got forgiven that was meaning in my life so to you know be careful of depth yeah be careful of depth you know that would be my answer to him i'd like to end this podcast one by thanking you pleasure i'm just gonna say a symbol thank you to you because pleasure man that's like all my emotions and


because pleasure man that's like all my emotions and like all my gratitude wrapped into that one word and the amount of gratitude i feel towards you as a guy just for how much you've helped me through the years without me ever coming to you as a client you're just talking to a brother i cannot put it in words man and like just i i hope the best for you always like i wish the best for you as well everyone out there i mean i think we should just go on sometimes we feel angry with people you know all of that stuff but at the end of the day just wish well for everyone you know i mean whatever i always tell people you know who find it difficult to forgive i said what you would wish for the person you love just start wishing that even for your worst enemy yes it's difficult because you've got to break through ego pride hurt but i'm saying that is your transformation yeah it'll happen one month two months three months there's no other


one month two months three months there's no other way it's just wish well for everyone everyone's struggling everyone has their own journey everyone you know so at the end of the day we should wish well for everyone i think that's that's the essence of spirituality yeah and uh man just looking forward to having you again on the show we will immediately move into a second recording which is centered around sex and love so i'm gonna end this podcast and i'm gonna request my team to start the next podcast immediately audience please look out for the next one this is gonna be good [Music]


i think india is probably the next big superpower in the world uh and you know i think if there's any place in the world where you know people should be starting businesses i think it's india right the opportunity is here [Music] part one of this podcast featured the entire zerodha story this one is about the mind behind the zeroth story lots to learn from this episode enjoy yourselves for a 24 year old who's just started earning money what would you say is a good financial strategy like how should they plan their personal finances like how would you do it if you were 24 in 2020 yeah so i like if i had no background in finance right and i'm i'm just trying to do this to optimize my earnings from my savings i would just do you know i would pick up three mutual funds and do a sip on it right you know which is you know if say i'm saving 10 000 rupees a month i take uh 3 000 rupees each and put into three different mutual


000 rupees each and put into three different mutual funds uh that would that's what i would do for if i had no financial background now if you know if i'm one of those who has a little bit of you know financial background or enjoy finance or enjoy tracking companies and businesses and what they do you know like you need to have that liking i mean i'm the one who picks up an economic times or am i the one who look at say a mumbai or a bangalore mirror right i mean the sense you know if i'm the guy who's going to pick up economic times i think the best way to learn finance is by investing in stock markets right because uh you know when you invest in a stock you're tracking everything that can potentially make a difference to it right and and you learn so much about not just about business about you know finance about life and you know business you know what promoters are doing to grow the business you know it's a it's i mean you can learn 10


it's a it's i mean you can learn 10 times more than what you learn from say doing an mba or whatever just by putting your money into some stocks right and and tracking what they're doing as a business so but then it makes sense to do it only if you really like all of that i mean if you're uh if you don't like it i think mutual fund sip is is good yeah if you like finance as i said you know take the money invest into five ten stocks and start tracking them uh you know closely and uh uh and then see how it goes you know but but the the basic rule in all of this is that um you know never put yourself in situation where you can blow out a lot of money like you know uh so risk you know cons you know being conservative on risk is the only real way to make money in life now this whole i will hit out of the park you know it works for one out of a million person but then you know it's


out of a million person but then you know it's very tough to be that one out of million you know it's it's it's i mean you know not everyone can you know you can't really uh you know i said there's there's stupid amounts of luck required to be that one in a million you said something interesting and this forces me to digress away a little bit from the world of finance what is your opinion on mbas in 2020 because you're an engineering student basically in your core and i still see the engineer alive in you and like the way you think and all that dude for like again a 24 year old who's figuring okay dude should i do an mba should i stay active in the world and just learn in by working in a startup by working the stock market what's your opinion on mbas in the modern day right so the thing is i i never really uh you know did my engineering properly so no i mean i uh so yeah so i don't think i qualify


uh so yeah so i don't think i qualify really to be called an engineer you know so uh mba i see i personally i don't think there is really any use case of of an mba degree today i mean i think you know mba makes sense to go build a network i mean i look at it more like that i don't know if really you're gonna learn i think you're going to learn a lot more working in a startup or investing in stocks than you learn in an mba right but what an mba does though is you know if you go and do it in a really good school uh and i have friends who have done from great schools and they just build this stupid network of people right as in you you know i mean now you're an i am bangalore student you know you can just go after this you know entire imb like a 20 year old guy right and then and he will have some feeling for you and he will you know it's a good way to network


he will you know it's a good way to network and i think nba is more that you know i mean even even if you look at all the you know folks of rich kids of rich folks you know who send their kids to stanford in harvard i think it's it's more to build those networks than to uh you know to really for the education then really they because education today is free i mean you know like you know you can learn anything and everything for free today i don't think there is i mean if you've seen what's happening in the u.s with this covert thing right they've gone online they're teaching you know like whatever is available on youtube they're probably teaching charging you 50 000 a year right so uh i mean so yes i think i think mba is good for building networks you know improving your soft skills it's you know how to present how to sell you know stuff like that you know otherwise i don't i don't really know if it's a it's something you


don't really know if it's a it's something you know special just to learn you know i don't know if they really teach you something that can't be learned for free otherwise yeah 100 coming back to the world of finance little tough question in the year 2100 what do you think the world of finance will look like will it be similar to what we're doing right now but just more advanced what do you think the future simulation of the world of finances well i mean i you know i've just just now finished sapiens uh you know the book and so i'm i have this uh i think i might have a bias because i've just read that book and how the world has been so drastically changing from 40 years back to today right as in you know it's a brilliant book you know someone wants to read it i think the way the world's changing right i i don't know if anyone can really predict right this whole you know this whole thing around artificial intelligence and you know i don't know


around artificial intelligence and you know i don't know what 2050 will be right because you know uh i think this whole human kind you know of whatever you know tens of thousands of years right uh uh where nothing happened really right and then you had this capitalism which took over the world in you know in the in the 19th 20th century whatever 1920 essentially which is just you know it's just the world is evolving so fast in the last 1500 years and what was working for you five years back you know you is redundant today so i don't even know i mean i have no clue i have no clue i like you know a lot of people ask me nathan what is your five-year plan for zaruda i said i don't know what's going to happen tomorrow morning you know so because it's evolving so fast it's just it's just changing you know and i think i think what this world needs is people who can adapt quickly right and and and i think the the way


quickly right and and and i think the the way to adapt quickly is is to remain lean if you're a business you know so uh because you know you have you know high amounts of debt high amounts of you know like you know all these technical deaths of sorts uh what happens is very it becomes tough to you know maneuver as a business and even as an individual i think the constant effort for everyone has to be just keep learning about whatever new is happening because that what is whatever new is happening can certainly take over your world without even realizing about it right and uh so so yeah so it's it's tough to say you know i i don't know how you know two thousand one hundred it look like i like you know i don't even know if you know humans will uh find a way to keep the planet alive till then you know so let's i completely for all you know finance might happen on the planet um coming back to the present day


on the planet um coming back to the present day uh selfish question because it's not every day that you get access to nitin kamat now for someone who's not really interested in the world of finance um and for someone you know say who is working in the startup who's so busy thinking about the startup that they can't really think of okay i want to step into the world of stock markets would you suggest a portfolio management service firm as a good option and what's your general opinion on pms firms because i've seen that generally online whenever influencers speak about portfolio management services the stock market nerds will come on and say hey don't do this this is wrong you're making a mistake so what's your opinion well i dude i think i think people who don't have the bandwidth should go seek help right either and i don't think you know it is it's a dangerous game because you know if it's your savings and earnings which is the at stake i don't think it makes sense to


at stake i don't think it makes sense to be pennywise pound foolish types you know i mean find an advisor who can help you find a mutual fund manager or find a portfolio manager i mean if if there's no time you know i don't think you should you should just take no that's that's a weird thing that i've seen right as in when it comes to money like you know i know folks will go bargain you know like you know they want to buy tomatoes for example i say they want to buy a refrigerator right they'll go research they will find you know they'll spend hours and hours and then suddenly they want to buy a stock you know like some friend said somewhere you know what the stock will go up by it you know he bought it in two seconds and i'm like dude i mean how you know why is that behavior so different you know so which is you you buy a refrigerator you're putting so much research and effort why not for a you


so much research and effort why not for a you know when you're putting your life savings at stake uh it's very weird you know i don't know i don't know what is the reason behind it but most people behave like that right you know if i right now tell you to buy a stock you might actually buy it right the odds of that happening is quite high uh without really doing any kind of research but if i tell you you know what you should buy this refrigerator you'll probably go to research before buying it right uh yeah so it's uh so yeah i think i think like i i'm from that i think what india needs right now which is missing and one of the reasons for u.s markets to be so successful is because of uh you know the us enabled this whole advisory ecosystem right uh over the last 30 40 years in the u.s what has happened is the businesses have grown because of professional advisors like in india it has grown because of


advisors like in india it has grown because of distributors okay the difference here is this right uh an advisor doesn't make any money from the manufacturer right for example if i sell you a mutual fund if i'm an advisor i don't make any money from the man you know that i was making mutual funds i can charge you an advisory fees a distributor earns from the manufacturer but he doesn't earn anything from you now you know right there's a conflict of interest right because if i am distributing to you i'll distribute what is going to make me more money than what is better for you right now if i'm an advisor i will i know that you will pay me a fees only if i make you some money right so the u.s the way it's worked in the last 30 40 years it's all grown out of professional advisory ecosystem in india it's always through distributors you know your bank manager is selling you insurance mutual funds your you know some other guy is


mutual funds your you know some other guy is distributing and all of these guys are doing it because they have revenue targets right and and to me the revenue is just selling you some something you know i don't know if it's in your best interest or not uh the the reason that is like that in india is that indians don't like to pay an advisory fees right because you know i you know you're like you know if i ask you for 100 rupees for giving this advice like why do you know why asking but if i make thousand rupees from you know the manufacturer you have no problem because you don't see it going from you right so you know uh so yeah so the us what has happened is these professional advisors uh they have almost created professional investors over the last 30 40 years right because you know if i'm your advisor you know say we keep talking to each other say every once in a month once in a quarter i keep telling you what's the


in a quarter i keep telling you what's the right strategy etc uh so they you know you will automatically become better as a person right uh you know you will understand more about the markets et cetera and that's what's happened in the us you know you suddenly have people are so much more professional when it comes to money than than indian citizens then they pass it on to their children and even the children grow up in like this uh financially educated world so um i mean thanks for the financial education i feel like i'm much more financially educated just after this podcast man uh but i also strongly feel that and i'm not talking about wealth or being rich but the obvious thought is just having a great financial safety net sets you up for a happier future and keeping that in mind dude that's honestly why the world of personal finances exists in the first place because why do we exist as human beings it's to have that little thread of peace throughout your life you know that


little thread of peace throughout your life you know that okay if my family is going through something i've got the money to take care of it if my kid wants to uh study abroad i've got you know that ability to do that um which is my question to you now dude okay the way you worked in xeroda or you worked in the stock market you've got to know about the world of finance the world of podcasting allows you to deep dive into people's minds okay and when i have conversations this deep i can tell a lot about the person i'm speaking to you're someone who's got like a lot of peace man like like there's too much peace just in in like a thought process do you meditate is this something from your childhood is it because um you know you found your purpose in life uh what what's happening in your own head as a guy yeah no no i think uh no i think it's it's more uh doing something that you love doing i think that's that's you


that you love doing i think that's that's you know like that purpose right finding the purpose is probably the most important side to this because for a while i thought you know you know if i get this much money in my bank i will you know i'll be very happy but i think it's it's not about money for sure you know that's uh that was me when i was young you know i had like this rupee goal in my mind and i thought you know if i had this much rupee gold i'm gonna quit everything go by the chance you know you know have a shack and all of that uh i think i think uh what i get i think i'm extremely satisfied about is just just you know waking up every day having a purpose of saying you know this is what i want to do and and knowing that i'm creating some kind of an impact there you know i'm knowing that you know every day i'm working hard you know maybe the world of investing in india is getting


maybe the world of investing in india is getting better in some form and um and also i think this is it it's a learning i mean i think you know if you asked me 10 years back the same question i would have probably answered something else uh but but the the big learnings of my life is from trading you know which is which is very weird as such you know a lot of people uh you know trading for a living is one of the toughest things to do you know putting food on the table you know trading actively etc and uh this whole learning of like i said earlier right just just you know being stoic etc i realized that that's the only way to survive as a trader if i am impulsive i am excitable i am you know uh i i react for everything you know if if i do it there's no way i can survive the volatility of shady and somehow you know that having traded for 10 12 years before starting zero i think it just


10 12 years before starting zero i think it just you know all that learnings from trading has also come into building business like uh you know like one thing i think personally is i i never care about what is not in my control right as in like i don't really worry about it and usually you know i'm trying to always factor in the maximum i can lose at any point of time and i try to make peace with it and then once i make peace with it right as in once you've made peace with your worst case outcome in life uh everything else seems like a almost like a bonus right and generally there are like some strategies like that you know uh like if you ask folks who work with me in the office and if there's an issue the first thing is to tell me what the worst case outcome of this right and i'm trying to just make peace with it because then you know you you know once you've made peace with it you're also very you know in a rational place


you're also very you know in a rational place to you know you're in a place to take rational decisions right because there's i think there's also a lot of physiology and stuff like that isn't you know if you're ex you know if your heart's pumping blood fast uh you know it your thinking capacity reduces right i mean you're your sharpest when you are the calmest right and uh you know so and that you know i've realized personally that works for me i know what works for everyone but personally just at any time there's an issue crisis or anything in life and just you know factor in the worst case outcome make peace with it uh then you are calm to just go and fight it out so um yeah stuff like that you know i mean these these are you know i think these a lot of these learnings are from because and i traded for such a period of long period of time the way i look at it i feel like you found your purpose which is kind


i feel like you found your purpose which is kind of creating things within the stock market understanding the stock market at the same time you've understood oh i've got to be stoic i've got to be calm therefore you've become calm in order to adapt yourself in order to become the best version of yourself in order to achieve your purpose and that's rubbed off on the rest of your life so um dude i i gotta ask you a little bit about your personal life because like how what what impact does all this knowledge and you know this stimulation you get from the financial world what does it have on your family life and what's your family life like right yeah so i mean uh me my brother my wife my kid my son my folks we all stay together you know and you know we're like a big family staying together and there's never work spoken with the family actually you know so you and me and my brother so even nikhil uh today manages a hedge fund and he


nikhil uh today manages a hedge fund and he manages the risk management at zero so so we've done completely different things in the sense that we have never had to we never really talk about business at all because what i'm doing is growing the business building the business broking business is very different to what he's doing and uh and uh so yeah so at home etc there's hardly ever talk of money business and any of that because i personally think you know it's just another family time should be just family time you know i don't i don't know if mixing business really works well what do you do when those little financial numbers and little stock market theories sprout up in your head at home like how do you block that out and then think of cricket or whatever oh no i mean that that's that's that's a trouble that's a problem you know i mean i know when i when i slept peacefully you know so like i have that problem i mean so i have a google keep thing


problem i mean so i have a google keep thing right as in where i keep taking notes you know random times in the middle of the note i'm getting up and taking notes and you know that's i don't think it's just about finance it's about business itself just business ideas creeping you know you can do this you can do that i mean no i i you know it's very tough you know like uh but i think my wife you know she's kind of adjusted to this way of life so she she has a problem that i'm always distracted but uh but then but then yeah we've been like you know like i said earlier so we started dating when i was in the call center so she's been part of this whole journey uh for the last 17 18 years so she's realized the reason whatever i am today is because of the way i was you know passionate about business and about stock markets etc so yeah so she kind of gets it my folks have always been supportive uh right from when


folks have always been supportive uh right from when i started trading uh so yeah so it's been it's been quite okay actually you know so uh dude they say that the curse of entrepreneurship when it comes to marriage is that you start treating your marriage like a startup so is that is that is that true and my my honest question to you man is if your wife stayed with you from call center to now what were your ups and downs and how did you navigate through it right yeah no i mean so the thing is my wife has a big problem with me being stoic it's just she's like you you never react you know and and you probably don't react because you don't love me you know but that's you know that's the other flip side right when you react you have a problem you don't react you have a problem but no no but uh so what happened was in between she joined became a cabin crew she was a hero uh for a while in air dicken and


a hero uh for a while in air dicken and then for a while in singapore airlines for five years so you know we also had like a five six year long distance kind of a relationship in between so we've actually gone through everything uh and um so today uh she's a fitness freak so you know i mean uh we she makes me work out at least one one and a half hours a day and uh so that's really our real bonding time you know so because once work once business starts it's just the doesn't end you know it's just continuous work right and i think this whole post covered world has made it even more worse right as in like even you know the this thing is said in that sapiens book again which is you know every time there is something that has changed in the world it's supposed to give you more time it's actually taken away time from you right right from agriculture revolution to you know like even now right i mean you have assumed that work from home means you


mean you have assumed that work from home means you know you're saving time traveling you're saving time you know doing all the stupid meetings etc but i don't know i mean there's zero times and it's just it's just eaten away that much time and it's uh so yeah so uh it's a it's a i think i think the way we've gotten over a lot of these ups and downs is you know like again the whole you know being stoic you know like for me she's like i don't have to win the fight in the house you know i mean i have a war to fight outside right you know in the house you know you know so i really had to get up and i had to go fight a battle as a business so you know i'm okay losing that fight every day at the house you know so and and and that's that's something that i've made peace with and and she knows about it is that you know she she wins every argument so there is there's not a


she wins every argument so there is there's not a single argument where i have one so uh so it yeah as i said you know i think i think uh i don't know if every relationship can be this way but the way i've gotten through this is by letting her win every single fight and every single argument you know dude uh with entrepreneurs again one more curse is that you're perpetually in this growth uh gear you know like for example when you're talking about stocks as a learning platform like you can learn about the world and life through stocks so your gears has perpetually been learning and i'm sure that that's what you're doing through business also um now is it true that your partner kind of needs to match up to you in terms of growth gears like they it's okay if they don't grow in the same domain you're growing in but they're growing in their own thing like you said she's big in fitness so does that define no i think i think you know with us we


no i think i think you know with us we are exact opposites you know whatever she likes and you know except for this fitness where we there's a there's a crossover uh you know all her likings or if you know we have never we can never sit and watch a movie together because i don't like what she watches or she doesn't like what i watch so so there is there is no uh you know we're almost almost opposites you know in a way so i don't i don't know i mean i don't i don't think there's one thing you know that works for everyone right i think every relationship is different and with us as i said you know i think she's made a lot of adjustments as well with me uh you know with me being constantly distracted and this this whole rush of wanting to you know constantly keep doing something you know which is um which is a problem you know if you think about it in a relationship right if your partner is not giving you 100 attention uh


if your partner is not giving you 100 attention uh i don't know why we'll be having a dinner i might be thinking of some you know some business idea right as it just doesn't stop the brain doesn't stop working and and that is i think that's a problem with i've seen with a lot of my entrepreneur friends as well right they're constantly thinking of growing a business it's uh i mean growing is it's not even about money right i think we're all you know i know a lot of really successful guys who have a lot of money in the bank accounts and it's not even money i think you know once you have you know x amount of money above it it makes no difference to you know i mean unless some guy who's got ambitions to buy a yacht or a you know a private jet and stuff so then there is never ending but you know once once you know that you know you have made enough to you know to have your lifestyle for the rest of your life covered


have your lifestyle for the rest of your life covered you know then you know you get to this point where money just makes you know doesn't move the needle at all right and then it becomes this how do i get better as a product how do i you know how do i do something impactful uh yeah so so all of those things starts running in your mind then dude outside perspective you're a really blessed guy man like you found your vibe really early in life you kept at it there's definitely things that you have done right in terms of keeping your learning active your hard work active you know staying you're like a super humble guy but do you ever consider that aspect of things where like you have a sense of god you have a sense of blessing showered upon you like do you think about that kind of stuff do i no i don't really believe in in a god i don't really think you know there's god but i i am a big believer in this whole good karma


am a big believer in this whole good karma thing you know is that you do good good things come back to you now and i'm i mean maybe that is god right doesn't it i don't i don't really really think going to a temple exeter is a thing you know but but i'm constantly trying to help every single person i can and i'm doing it maybe with a little bit of selfish interest also knowing that you know that's just just doing that is like a super spiritual thing dude like that through your actions you're like changing the world correct yeah so i mean yeah so that's uh you know is that's maybe you know my thing otherwise i don't really believe that there is one god or whatever you know so okay two two last questions the first question is what is the best and worst aspect of your life right now oh yeah so the worst is just this this constant you know not being able to shut my mind right because i struggle to sleep i you know i'm so


i struggle to sleep i you know i'm so i'm a jack of all trades i love i play music i play all kinds of sports i do everything and i i i i love all of that you know in the sense i can the fact that i can't give time to it even though i can is you know it's very you know very depressing you know it's just because you know i thought you know that you know if i made x amount of money in my life i would be doing a lot of things which i can do but i'm not able to do which is uh which doesn't really bode well uh the best thing is this whole satisfaction it's just just being that content in life right as in there's extreme amount of contentment in the sense i can't i don't know nothing moves now you know i i you know there was a while where i went and bought a lot of watches and i bought cars i bought you know i did all of that right and then it's


know i did all of that right and then it's it just then you realize that this i mean none of this means anything right as in and and but i don't know if you can really get there without doing it you know as in like you know a lot of rich folks saying that you know what money is not important right i mean you're saying it after making money right it's you know it's a different thing to say when you and you've done everything and and saying it without doing anything but um but yeah but i think i think this whole being that uh like right now what i enjoy most in my life is just this whole contentment the last question is if if someone you know stripped you down took away all your assets and you're left with zero rupees what would be your like strategy over the next year at with with all your knowledge as in you've gained all these skills you've gained all this know-how but someone just took away all your money what would you do so the thing


all your money what would you do so the thing is like one intellectually right uh i think one of the reasons i've grown in my life is because i've attempted a lot of things right so i've learned two three musical instruments i've played two three kinds of sports i've done fitness certification courses when i was younger i've i play poker almost semi-professionally i you know um i've learned magic tricks so the thing is i've sold on the phone i think selling is is probably the most important skill to have uh you know i'm i i don't enjoy selling in person but i really enjoy doing it you know behind the scene guides you know you're on the phone or on on through blogs and etc so i think i think these skills uh you know even if everything becomes zero i think will help you know just restart this whole thing and the first thing that i'd probably do is just you know in a time like this if tomorrow morning i didn't have anything i'll


if tomorrow morning i didn't have anything i'll i'll probably teach people stock markets you know because i think there are you know teach people on stock markets and managing money well because i don't think there are too many people who are teaching it to be done the right way beautiful i think you should dude like the kind of impact you would create with that would just be like something the country hasn't seen uh is there any last you know book recommendations slash movie recommendations you'd like to leave the youth of the country with you'd like to say that yo listen this is what helped me man read this early in life whether that's finance or just life in general what are your final recommendations for the youth no no so uh i think uh books if you're thinking of you know trading the markets uh market wizards by jack schwaber uh you know it's a it's a bunch of interviews it's almost very similar to how you know people watch podcasts you know so josh walker went met


watch podcasts you know so josh walker went met 20 of the best traders in the world and he made a book out of it like interviews so it's it's brilliant so if anyone wants to uh you know start trading i think that's a place to get started uh on life itself the last book i've i mean i've read this like a few times now sapiens by and and this is just mind-blowing it's just the evolution of humankind and you know you just you know realize how you know like just world has evolved over the last 5 10 000 15 000 years so and for people who are thinking of starting up i mean like i said right at the start i think before you start up you know i mean you know you suddenly get these ideas that you think you can go build business uh i'd say first go build core competency find a job in an industry which is doing something very similar to what you know your idea is then ask the same question after you know


idea is then ask the same question after you know spending that time which is are you still passionate about the original idea and if you are i think india is probably the next big superpower in the world uh and you know i think if there's any place in the world where you know people should be starting businesses i think it's india and the opportunity is here yeah all right so if you if you find that idea you build your core competency i think you should take the plunge because india needs good entrepreneurs i mean everything we need you know we need so many people good people to come build good businesses in this country because that's the only way we will create employment right um completely right and uh and yeah if there's some takeaway from my life which i think has helped me significantly like i said one don't focus about money money is an outcome you know it's it's not really you know it can't be the goal of sorts you know the goal has to be just you know


you know the goal has to be just you know building you know right processes be around good people do good things and money hopefully if luck smiles and you comes beautiful dude uh i have to be selfish with you a little bit man uh because you've got such a wide-eyed view of all the industries specifically speaking about india what do you think is the future of my industry which is content like and how is it perceived on the outside because honestly what i hear is see media entrepreneurs tend to be a little bit vain a little bit kind of uh again for lack of a better word self-obsessed you know very like oh via the we uh whatever but what do you see as the future of this industry or like social media content digital stuff no i i was never on social media for a long time you know i mean i had a facebook account and uh i you know i mean it was just with family and friends uh i mean i got on twitter actively a few months back and and


got on twitter actively a few months back and and and the reason was because i think i think this whole rush of business i forgot that you know such a powerful media has has got built you know i i forgot that you know like you can influence i mean if there are things to share i think i think social media is the right place to go and do it today right i don't think people are reading newspapers and you know i mean and and and all of that you know what you're doing is actually is is i think where the future is and what i'm not sure about is if india is intellectually ready for long-form content right you know it just like you know do will people actually you know the guys who are listening to this did they actually stick through 30 45 minutes to i know you know and try to actually learn something out of it yeah i i don't know if if there are enough intellectual you know enough people trying to grow intellectually in this country like that right because


grow intellectually in this country like that right because there's so much distraction right i mean how do you choose between this versus watching an episode on netflix or something right doesn't like you know you're competing with something like that right uh so that i'm i'm not uh i'm i don't know i don't know what is the size of that market maybe you have a better idea of it but for short form content you know your tweets and you know like 50 30 seconds to one minute video or this tick tock videos you know i mean there is a market for sure right as in there is you know there's uh people uh people will watch that stuff you know but i don't know i mean this this whole like you know what you're doing the joe rogan clients i don't know if there are those tens of millions of indians who will actually sit through and consume uh this at least as of now you know but but maybe you know like this whole code you know what's also done is i