you have alcohol in your hand and immediately your confidence levels go up okay because of the darkness and because of that glass of alcohol in your hand but with psychedelics you know we've experienced a lot of rave party scene a people are free people are open people don't rape one another people don't go and touch and feel up women and men and you know everyone's in their own dimension their own mind there's no chance there's no judgement this is my observation this is my observation I used to play at rave party so I got to see people how do you behave and you come into a club scene and it's like fake and it's chaotic and people are fuel on alcohol and behaving in a way that they're not yeah there's a lot of insecurity also in loads of insecurity loads but when you look at people doing psychedelics you know they do it at the right time and there's a sunset they were lined it with nature we've aligned it with a full moon they were lined


we've aligned it with a full moon they were lined it with an ocean at the back you know all of that stuff so you know the research coming out there is so many things even the snake by poison people believe there's a spiritual impact on that like some people can take this the poison of the snake and not die because their belief is that the snake poison will not kill them but that snake same snake poison will kill the person who has doubt the same thing with frogs there are frogs and the Amazon that emit a certain poison here which is considered as a psychedelic so these are good things to talk about and I think as the world starts researching more and more into this the biggest problem is how can you control it because it can become recreational like I said it can be misused it can be you know used to do bad things and stuff like that so the way I perceive this whole game is that I feel there's three kinds of people the first are


feel there's three kinds of people the first are the ones who are very kind of consumed by society by the media they see and when they're hearing this conversation they already like what are these guys talking about oh my god okay and that's fine like I understand that's your reality but I do believe that just open up your mind to what the world is moving towards yeah that brings me to my second kind of person right which is the most curious I would kind of put you and me in that category about I want to know more about this this is what the world is moving towards okay fine this might have a dark side but it definitely has a lot of bright sides as well and it can benefit a lot of minds and the third category is someone who's very fascinated by psychedelics and then you know who might overdue it who might get consumed by the whole process probably do drugs that aren't even psychedelic for you might might get into like verse kind of


for you might might get into like verse kind of drugs are actually harming a bone so I personally really urge everyone listening to this to place themselves just for this conversation in that second category of openness knowledge learning just absorb this whole conversation and right intention yeah I think the third category we must talk about that because you see I mean I've seen people doing psychedelics and alcohol at the same time Ari they scientifically don't go together you can't be drinking and you can't be on a psychedelic at the same time and you see these people get violent they get they flip out and all of that stuff like I always say if you're doing something do it the right way yeah if you're on a spiritual path do it the right way don't make it into a fad and just because everyone's chanting you start chanting mindlessly find your own spiritual part most people find their spiritual parts off the path you know what I mean if they're not on the path but they find it they've


not on the path but they find it they've embraced something like say giving back or helping or kindness and you only work on that they are far more spiritual than the people in churches temples and mosques it is like that so we don't go chasing these things I always believe and they always say that the plant will find you yeah this is in most books a plant will find you don't worry you don't have to go searching for it I feel that it happened with ayahuasca and me so it was like the start of Bo but tell me about your iOS Chi experience oh it was the beginning of Bo biceps and I was very nervous about where my career was going now for the previous whole year which was my finally own engineering I'd read about these plants I'd read the book and I'd read about ayahuasca being the substance that actually changes the structure of your brain at realign certain neural patterns in our brain and I would also read that when you do ayahuasca you


would also read that when you do ayahuasca you go through a negative phase as well that's a part of your trip and I'd also read that it's not recreational you need to do it when you add a crossroads in your life if you want answers so I was just fascinated about that substance I began via biceps I put out four or five videos they did well but I was still nervous about okay what am i doing in life because there was no YouTube culture back in the country then so I put out four or five videos and my dad one day just comes out to mean he's like listen the family is going to Seychelles for this medical conference but you can just tag along come for your vacation and just take a break from your YouTube game say cool went to Seychelles with no N tension and the resort that we were in happened to have this one really interesting guy who was talking about economics and sport and you know just like all these deep topics and he


you know just like all these deep topics and he casually mentioned the idea of shamans and I'd read that hold on so shamans are these priests who conduct ayahuasca ceremonies for people and they say that you shouldn't do ayahuasca unless you have a certified shaman well you know because it can be a very intense experience so he said something about shamans and I stopped him right then I was like wait do you mean like the ayahuasca shamans and he's like why have you heard that word so then I told him my perception of ayahuasca where you know you have a negative term you have a bit of a scary experience and then it becomes positive he told me that don't believe everything you read on the internet it's not that and what if I tell you that I have ayahuasca in my room will you come and do it so first I couldn't like believe what I was hearing and then I gave it some thought and I was like no no that I


some thought and I was like no no that I won't do this because you know I don't want to get into drugs that was my thinking right so then he broke it down for me he told me how it's like a fifty thousand year old practice and people in the Amazon I've been doing it for that long and people do it when they're at crossroads in life right so I meditated over that big on meditation by then and my meditation just cleared out my head I was like wait I'm at a crossroads and I'd read this quote about how the plant finds you you don't find the plant so I was like if it's come like into my life in this way it might mean something I'm young I need answers let me take a plunge and I got up in the morning with the intention of doing it like I was like okay you know let me just try what's the worst that can happen you're not gonna die and he also had mentioned to me that I was


and he also had mentioned to me that I was called never put you through an experience that you can't handle yeah so that night I did an ayahuasca session I did a ceremony with him in his hotel room one of the most life-changing experiences of my life because um I came out a different person I went into that ceremony asking one question which was what was the weapon that I needed from my life in order to just make my career very solid and like in order to take my career further everything in my life was about my career at that point so we took the drink it's like this very narrative brew that you take so I drank it waited for like say 20 minutes or so and then everything around we started getting like a little wobbly inside getting a little bit like jelly and that's why I realize it's kicking and I told him that he's like okay close your eyes now so I closed my eyes and if I actually begin to elaborate about my whole I asked her


begin to elaborate about my whole I asked her Joanie that's another conversation but what I basically felt is you know when I'm talking to you and you're talking to me right now I can feel another human or another brother if you're with a woman you can feel okay there's a girl yo so in ayahuasca they say that you feel a feminine presence and I did feel that I felt like what they call mother ayahuasca then who guided me through the trip and it was it was definitely in my mind it's psychedelic but I feel like she guided me throughout the entire experience and at the same time I have like a certain of version of God in my head I perceive him as this old man who you know guides me like that's just my childhood perception of it and I felt that presence as well and I felt like both the mother and the father like guided me through the trip a lot of things I saw I felt like I went back to I could go back


felt like I went back to I could go back to individual memories of my life so I went back to the time my sister and me were kids and we were we were watching TV and I saw the fights we had yeah becomes very vivid your childhood experiences come out very clearly in a very vivid I I I went back to those little Tiff's that I had with my parents you know and I realized wait I was being stupid does being a stupid teenager there and you come back so it it puts you through these experiences you go through like these visuals you also I able to see yourself you are able to see your mind much more clearly it's like you're kind of going through a trip and you're you go into a car ride in your own mind yeah and then finally the final kind of most important climax of the trip for me was that it I imagine that the ayahuasca took me and put me on the side of a highway mm-hmm I don't one


side of a highway mm-hmm I don't one end I could hear something coming from the horizon so I couldn't see what it was but I could hear something very big coming from the horizon and before I knew it this big fireball just like flew past me and went to the other horizon it's like this huge noise and I was like really taken aback by it so I opened my eyes and I told my shaman this okay he's like wait hold on go back into your trip so I closed my eyes again and then I asked the I was gonna ask that father that what what does this mean so it said that this can be your career if you learn self belief you you have no self belief right now in life so even if it means faking it like fake self belief there but really believe that the path you're taking is the correct path which is exactly the question I had in my head at that point which is that am I doing the correct thing by quitting engineering become a


doing the correct thing by quitting engineering become a becoming a physical fitness trainer and doing this YouTube thing and now we have an office full of 40 people and that's that's come out of that one trip and I came out a different person so they say that um ayahuasca changes you for life I don't think I'll end up doing it again and I'll tell you why because I feel like the science of ayahuasca is that it is DMT that's the actors of the dimethyltryptamine yeah so DMT is release and I also believe that DMT can be released through intense meditations and right now I'm deep into spirituality I'm deeper in my meditation and I feel like I can get an ayahuasca trip every night like through my two-hour long meditation oh you're very right there because see the very fact is anything that makes you high means you need to have that receptor yeah okay so when you smoke marijuana or you smoke hash why does it make you high because we have an opioid


does it make you high because we have an opioid receptor novel if we didn't have the receptor we wouldn't get high so if I'm gonna eat celery celery is not making me high because I don't have that receptor reversal if we have the receptor that means we have the ability to create the same chemicals in our mind and deep meditation produces the Bliss molecule exact and that's why you don't have to do psychedelics after a while you don't have to do it some people find it in life yeah some people use a psychedelic as a stepping stone and then you have the third category of people who abuse it just to be cool yeah I represent so what about you like have you had an ayahuasca XP I didn't I was quite a trip way way I think I was I was really young maybe about in my twenties I think and I did it again with the right intention I wanted to understand what's what's what's deeper in my life at that point that


what's deeper in my life at that point that point I had no idea what I was gonna do life was good I not and I had no problems no negativity none of that stuff I just did it it was part of a whole Amazon adventure kind of a thing but when when I finished a trip the shaman sat with me and he just said you know you've not lived enough of life to be you're come back later like you said the cross when you're at a crossroad in your life he said it's great go ahead you know whatever path you're on follow the path but right intention I learned right intention from the shaman and today everything we do is with the right intention see no matter what we will mistakes everyone out you will make mistakes okay we'll make grave mistakes sometimes but what was your intention when your intention is the manipulate evil cheat all of that stuff sometimes we may make a mistake that may result in like we've hurt someone betrayed someone or whatever but


we've hurt someone betrayed someone or whatever but as long as the intention was clean and right it is not gonna affect you but when the intention is wrong and that's what I learned from them intention is everything my intention to eat an animal is example this is what the shaman said okay we hunt animals we kill animals their spiritual beings we should not kill them our intention is we need food this goes back to the ages where there were no groceries there were no Whole Foods and none of that stuff so they killed with the right intention today people are doing everything with the wrong intention and that is why whether you're on a psychedelic or not and stuff like that you know people a lot of people judge people who are on psychedelics and I would see this whole you know community and go out judging the hippies there was zero crime from the hippies there was zero you know child abuse from hippies all the child abuse came from people who are educated who you know


abuse came from people who are educated who you know have a lot of money all of the you know all of the bad stuff happened with him and I was like who are you to judge anyone some of the people who are most spiritual and praying every day and doing poojas and in churches and stuff have the dirtiest hearts so you can't judge anyone it all comes down to intention intention intention and intention so they say a psychedelic works with the right intention it's like that I have loads of friends left back and go out today who have flipped out completely they did it with the wrong intention and I have loads of people who have become business tycoons they're billionaires they've experimented with psychedelics I mean Steve Jobs writes about him in his own book for creativity he would come down to India he would go to Rishikesh he would use LSD and he would go back what's big in Silicon Valley today people are micro dosing on LSD okay micro


today people are micro dosing on LSD okay micro dosing means you take such a little you take small micro dots which means you can go to work but you can create you can talk you can be in meetings you're not like completely like you know on a psychedelic trip it's called micro dosing it's become a new trend in Silicon Valley am i saying it's the right thing I think Silicon Valley is more of a fad with everything it comes and it goes done with the right intention people create music out of their psychedelic trips what happens in an LSD trip in an acid trip so what I've heard for most people and I've experienced at once it's very spiritual I mean the first time I did it it open my mind complete I saw life differently completely completely differently you know when you do these things you know it's not like you're gonna hit on a girl and pick up a girl and you don't want to in fact you want to be away


don't want to in fact you want to be away from people you want to be in your own space and stuff like that you feel like connecting with yourself I had a lot of my childhood memories come up I could remember vivid conversations at a very young age which now if you asked me to recall I would not be able to do that but I speak to a lot of people I have some top jewelers who before they create their design they've done an LSD trip people in the music industry you know people who create animated cartoons who create films documentaries not everyone but everyone finds a different source of inspiration and if you channel it the right way it is only gonna result in something great you channel it the wrong way it's gonna destroy your life and the people around you just like that um but like what actually happens in your brain on a biological level but it fires up your neurons it's like an electric soak a just think of an electric circuit which is firing like


think of an electric circuit which is firing like a thousand times more than normal so all electric surges moving through your brain and that's why you have psychedelic trance that trance basically you know moves and guides you're high right into a whole journey so you have like sunset music then it gets darker then you have night and you can move morning trance and you have chill-out looks like a whole journey you go to a club your music is dependent on how much alcohol selling and how drunk people are music ends and you know that's it yeah so everything's a journey and like I said we're not here to tell people to go and do it but we have to be open to the fact that you know this is a lot of drugs that people take pharmaceutical drugs already have built-in psychoactives so you know don't try to fool yourself by condemning a whole new you know possible field of medicine you know no one is saying take psychedelic and only listen to your


is saying take psychedelic and only listen to your doctors no one's saying take psychedelics and drop your meds no one's saying that but a lot of your psychoactive a lot of your depression medication that you're taking your mood elevators your sleep medication they have some of the same constituents constituents that natural plant they come from plants psychedelic plants Wow we should be open to it even the medical marijuana thing you know now it's stupid if you're gonna say a medical marijuana is gonna take away my cancer no it's absolutely not yes there is research showing how it can boost the immune system and work with your stem cell regeneration but you can't make a claim so everyone starts doing Medical Marijuana I think it's gonna take away my cancer that's stupidity it plays a role it possibly plays a role it's still being researched takes away pain definitely in a bone cancer you get the right cannabis oil it's gonna take away your pain which is


oil it's gonna take away your pain which is fantastic because it's not gonna damage your kidney but again it needs to be supervised it needs to be done the right way the right quality the THC has to be that's the tetrahydrocannabinol that does the action of taking away pain everyone's running off the CBD oil see video I'll half of them don't even understand how it's working in their system but they're doing it because everyone's doing it hahaha so what is what is like the medical fields perception of psychedelics of marijuana things like what's happening there right now see it's always gonna be controlled it's always gonna be control for the right reasons because I think the biggest thing is if it gets out of control right if it gets out of control you're gonna have people who are on psychedelics and drugs and all of that stuff driving doing different things so it that's why it comes under a controlled substance and of course there's a lot of political controversy about


of course there's a lot of political controversy about why certain governments are legalizing it and why some are not if you look at I mean Amsterdam and stuff where it's legal I mean you never hear of a rape happening in our city you never hear of that kind of you know crime that happens in a place where it's controlled so it's a controversial subject and I'm sure there's a lot more that people have before what really goes but in the states where it's kind of legalized and all I mean the statistics show that crime rate has fallen right to the bottom right there because it's no longer control and people are misusing it as well because suddenly something which is league you know if you if you like people human beings want to break rules yeah so the stronger the rule the more the human man wants to break it so something which was condemned completely and now is out in the open people have to learn how to behave around it you know so I've seen it


behave around it you know so I've seen it destroy people's lives and I've seen it like elevate people out of Hong Kong see I'm talking about psychedelics I'm talking about marijuana and although how does it destroy people's lives yeah I mean you get addicted to it you start using it as a coping mechanism you start using it because you don't have a good childhood at home your parents are fighting all the time you look for peace outside so you know when parents can condemn nature and say oh don't do this you know a lot of parents whose kids are on drugs the parents have to understand they're possibly on drugs one is bad company for sure if it's not bad company it's the environment you've created at home yeah most of the kids I accounts are saying listen I have no P said well my parents always fighting they always whatever and stuff like that I need my peace they turn to alcohol they turn to drugs so we all play a huge role in


to drugs so we all play a huge role in creating the right environment for our youth our teenagers and all of that stuff so like I said in colleges and stuff if it is the cool factor that oh you're cool if you're seen with a joint that's the wrong intention to do it that's the wrong intention to do it it's gonna destroy you because the cooler you want to get means you got to do more of it yeah what does matter wanna do for a human beings mind see in most cases it actually slows it down it may make you calm it may change your behavior completely but it slows down your cells in the long term in the long term it slows down your cells now for some people it may be great if they're not ambitious about their careers if they're happy just doing what they do like a simple job but people who want to be creative and you know move on if it slows you down like I said it's different people who need to create music movies


said it's different people who need to create music movies all of that stuff they use it we all know that they're open about it they use it but a simple person moving into their careers and stuff it can destroy you because it puts you on a path which is defined by the drug you're taking not by what you really want because you're confused it distorts your mind yeah so you you want to be really really careful about this and like I said it should come naturally you should not be pulled into it because you have to do it to be cool you know everything comes to you and you are meant to do it you will do it you no matter what it'll come no matter what lands we'll find you absolutely my final segment in this podcast is shrooms mushrooms limp peyote or you know shrooms you hear about people taking in a Silicon Valley so one what happens in that trip is it very similar to ayahuasca is it something like no it's completely different again say I


something like no it's completely different again say I mean psilocybin is basically is basically the psychedelic in a mushroom that you know makes you high makes you see colors and bubbles and all if that's of everyone and sees it differently some people just like to chill no music some people can laugh they need company around them it's different for everyone in whatever I've read from different case studies of people you go up to certain hill stations in India where it grows you see the cows eating it the animals eating it they're not like acting crazy and stuff like that you know it's grown there's a reason it's not gonna kill you at the same time it can move you off your path so if you're really depressed you're going through a bad phase in your life suddenly you take something like a psychedelic that makes you feel so great the issue is if you use that to get you through life it builds addiction yeah it builds addiction it's as simple as that you know


builds addiction it's as simple as that you know but they are again there's a lot of research on site psilocybin and how they trying to extract psilocybin and use it in certain medical therapies again across the world because when you go back decades and decades this is what people use this is what people used you know and they figured it out because they are so much more intuition than us more intuition and more wisdom we have more knowledge we are more opinions we are more so-called research and not against research but everyone hides behind research and reversal and you'll find that most of the people who have discovered the psychedelics are scientists who in their process of their daily work realized there was something like Hoffman yeah you know Hoffman discovered LSD where scientists use it on himself and you realize what it could do yeah and you also realize how it could destroy people so there's always a balance and everything else you do so what's like the final advice you


you do so what's like the final advice you have for like a young person watching this was very fascinated by this world just like your final advice say I think you know I'm no one to give advice because people are going to explore whether they want to or not whatever you're gonna explore in life it doesn't have to be psychedelics everyone will want to explore something at some time if you're doing it do it with the right intention on the right path within the framework of your law and everything else that's the way you know you do it because I think we have to respect that part that people may want to take like I'll tell you most of the parents who try to safeguard their kids from drugs throughout their life they like keep a check on everything those are the kids that are doing the most drugs yeah you know it's it's sad but it's the truth so sometimes you gotta allow freedom you know like I always say once a child is born the cord is cut


say once a child is born the cord is cut your child has his own life you aren't you are the parent you have to nurture them give them security but you can't control their dreams you can't control how they're gonna go they will go the way that their path is defined so when parents are open to that these are the kids who are more honest with their parents they share they do parents are involved and all of these things like a normal hippie scene and go elected the parents are doing stuff in front take kids so the kids don't grow up seeing it as something which is stabbed in India anything which you know you want to do it more you want to do all of that stuff so I think we got to relax with that like I said as long as we're within the framework of the law we're not harming us we're not harming other people yeah and you know we're not doing anything which is basically illegal fetus with these kind of off the center topics or whatever that's


these kind of off the center topics or whatever that's called just be open to it be open to learning about it use it safely or don't get obsessed by the world that's like another aspect of it and yeah just keep listening to the runway show for intersections like this yeah you must do and thank you Luke again I'm gonna be linking all of Luke's handles down below make sure you go follow him every year one of the most knowledgeable human beings I'm ever gonna come across in multiple lifetimes Thank You Luke thank you thank you


what could you guys another episode of the Remy show but this episode was my personal favorite till date this is a man of always wanted to speak with not just because he's one of the top actors in the country today but because he's one of the most inspiring most articulate human beings you'll ever come across he switched to his acting career only after the age of 35 so up till then he's actually tried a lot of different careers and he's found success even there out of all the people I've met in my entire career this man is the most humble there's a lot to learn from him but I'll tell you what's even more beautiful about him when I'm doing a podcast I keep trying to go deep with all my guests but not everyone is able to go really really really deep bomani Ronnie's answers were even deeper than the questions that I had for him so if you're up for a very deep stimulating conversation if you want to add a lot of layers to your own


want to add a lot of layers to your own mind watch the entire podcast you're gonna come out of this podcast a completely different human being this is one of those conversations where even I learnt a lot so I can't imagine what this will be like for the listeners enjoy yourselves this is the most stimulating thing you've come across on the Indian Internet [Music] welcome to another episode over and we show before this episode begins I just want to tell you how excited I am to do this particular one because I've actually seen a lot of content of yours mr. baumann irani hey Randy thanks very much it I like I like people of it who I enthusiastically grown up around a lot of parties in it I know I people think I'm ammonia let's see yes yes yes so Randy's just what I call myself we need more essence in the world running short of Pisces so yeah so run run beard power szeliga for sure Randy yeah so you know you


szeliga for sure Randy yeah so you know you kind of play it cool but you've had an intense story your life has been crazy it sounds intense because you say it in one go Azen yeah it's not that intense you think it was smooth it was no it's not smooth okay whose life is not smooth mmm what makes your story which was not smooth special and special it's just because I I get to face the camera and talk about it thousands and thousands of people who have fabulous toward the fabulous meaning unusual stories fabulous is a bad word yeah and and for me they're stories of armor exceptional yeah it's just that I have the opportunity to sit with you and we didn't talk about it yeah I want to rewind to the past of manera okay okay people know that you worked at your family business early on in life which was a wafer shop like it was a chuck in our shop then you transitioned into different careers took up photography and you know your stories up on


took up photography and you know your stories up on the internet like people yeah I'm quite surprised everybody knows about Manos about what I what I've done nor do i I one one thing is important to know that after school a first job that I actually did was that of a waiter the Taj Mahal oh yeah so that I spent a couple of years doing that I worked in room service and I worked at in the bar and and it I think these are important exercises there exercises yeah it just prepares you for anything because on Christmas night if you're sitting in you're pushing about literally 30 trolleys you know lining them up and chucking plates and cutlery and crockery and getting into the washing area because everybody's you know taking leave on Christmas night and you're it just prepares you for any any kind of hard work yeah well you humbled at that phase in your life I don't know what humbling is I think it's you've got to do it you gotta do it but


got to do it you gotta do it but so that was your attitude back then I think so I don't know I'm so humbled I'm doing no everybody does this kind of work yeah my colleague is doing it the other guy is doing it that guy's doing it what makes me gives me the right to feel my humble oh yeah let me see yeah so as a job you got to do it yeah my question to you is you've had so many different careers you've seen so many different industries what's your straight-up like career advice after all these careers which is that you've done and considering where you've reached in your life what's your career advice to a young person yeah they are going to be the basic bullets this is not rocket science bullets okay yeah soon I am there so let it be so now huggable a core bar so no medicine no magic bullets that's the first bullet I'm giving you there are no magic bullets no cheat codes there are no cheat


magic bullets no cheat codes there are no cheat codes there are no shortcuts and if you want to start from ground level the first lesson I learned is don't start from ground level start from under ground level you've got a little layer foundation before you make the building so I think is very weight so so literally my the first job that I got someone told me you won't work in the French restaurant I said yeah aspirational sounds good right say no start in the basement go to room service you you you you earn your stripes they're not there the stripes are earned down not when you get the stripes when you become captain yeah but what what were the stripes on a personal level till till your feet the webbing of your feet cracks up and you feel sometimes that you can't lift your leg to walk and and when it comes to a point where you turn and say but I haven't don't have to walk I'm supposed to run believe me pain injury we'll all that


to run believe me pain injury we'll all that all that disappears you just do it then because you got to pick up that tray you got to smile and you got to go you guys here rough night they don't give a damn they are there a five-star hotel on Christmas night expecting the best service so you can't say but I can't lift my legs you just have to keep your goal in mind and keep going forward so as simple as that and I read about this story about I think the time you were like 30 to 33 right where you had gone to your planned this vacation you're planning on going to be with your family and I think you landed up at some super random desolate hotel yeah badly planned see the thing is it teaches you if you become responsible to your family you don't expect to show them the Presidential Suite yeah but you got to give them a good life the basics okay taking them for a holiday make it look like a holiday yeah of course if


make it look like a holiday yeah of course if with family it's great because you're together and they'll be together nice and we can make it work yeah the room is not important but it cannot be a room where there's no light yeah yeah that's depressing that's not holiday I got light in my house that was a turning point for you it was like a turning point for me I said no no money money and luxury is not not the issue getting what you set out to do right is the issue yeah so if I went out to get a decent hotel with clean sheets and light I didn't manage that so if you didn't manage it that also means that you did some wrong things before that all the time so what were those wrong things everything like shortcuts think that you know just make a phone call hahaha no all right no no no you do some research plan it nicely try and see things that are comparative that was also a shortcut to excited to go holidays I took the first


to excited to go holidays I took the first option that was available to you got it that's why when I planned my holidays today today I'm travel agents sometimes wonder like god this guy's it's it's a thing with me it's a become a thing with me or it it get it right yeah I'm sure but that was a big turning point for you yeah see it's not about luxury and it's not about comfort it's about getting what you set out to do right hundred percent what were your mistakes in your twenties I think when I when I went to the shop when I became a shopkeeper it may have been a humbling experience and then I was very proud to be but eventually I worked really hard but everybody called me mom and said hmm so mean and you take that seriously when you when you get your promotions you know I've been promoted oh now I am eligible for business class hey take it easy the perks of the job should never become more important than the


of the job should never become more important than the job itself hmm so so I I took life like you know I am now you've made it yeah but you've not done nothing you just you just you're just doing a job yeah like I'm doing one today yeah and I mean you had like a bunch of couriers which is after that yeah but again today yeah what am I sitting and doing over here I'm doing a job I'm sharing but I just share it right because of course we've got a movie to talk about yeah but it's job just because your job involves you being on a screen where people you know there is a certain amount of love and what's the word team yeah doesn't make it less of a job it's a job and just treat it as a job do you consider yourself a must do somewhere in a sense in a sense yeah so I want to ask you what give you that fire to switch and try out acting I know you had a passion for acting growing


I know you had a passion for acting growing up but at the age of like I think around 32 to 35 look it was always a place I knew I'd end up some at one stage I knew I would get there a voice told you that like I don't know if it's a voice but I think even when you're a child you kind of you feel you belong there I don't know how to say it known I get it when I started watching movies as a child as a very little child I felt I knew how to make movies garen and you could do it better like me I just knew I knew this is oh this is all I've seen it before maybe in a past life or maybe I saw it for my mother's womb I don't know but I I I was so familiar with the movies I was so familiar with this stage even as a little kid I was a nervous child who nervous to speak too much but when I went on stage as a


too much but when I went on stage as a 11 year old to performing professionally it came to you naturally yeah okay so like I belong over there yeah so you I think it's very important for youngsters know that you belong somewhere and that calling will pull you there and you need to listen to it when it's calling you or you need to listen to it so what was that moment for you where you were like wait hold on stop brake let's change parts you know it's so strange maybe when I turned to photography it was the first stepping stone to the visual medium okay so maybe that's part of my training got it I don't know why I chose photography yeah it just came to you naturally again at that stage I'm guessing yeah I chose photography because I just had a had an attraction for it and that I I saw still pictures morphing into moving pictures in my head for some reason it's the other way around actually moving stuff and you you you you condense it into


moving stuff and you you you you condense it into one still photograph I eyes to look at it differently that one fine day these these frames will come handy to me I don't know if it makes any sense so let me tell you the perspective from this side of the core all right as a nine-year-old ten-year-old when I'm at ENSO Moon Munna Bhai MBBS after the movie definitely everyone loved Sanjaya but you also the guy who stuck in like everyone dr. sonner like with the whole laughing therapy and not just your performance on screen when you were doing that movie did you realize how much your life is going to change after that Oh No and it changed after that I think another piece of advice if I am allowed to yes I use the word advice is don't look at the morning headlines when you're about to kick that goal if you have an open goal you first shoot the goal then finish the game then party with your friends and then think of the morning


party with your friends and then think of the morning headlines a lot of commentators always yeah we missed an open goal a was thinking of the morning headlines you know that's a big big red flag because you're looking at the celebration so know when Manabe came out we didn't even know it would be such a big hit forget about changing changing our lives everyone was affected by that film yeah I think that's very important when on my second or third day of shooting the unit came to take do interviews and they said obviously interview Konami I don't know how to talk I have to a chaplet area in no position what am I going to talk about that I've been shooting over the last three days there's nothing to talk about I didn't do the interview because you've got to be eligible for an interview do you consider yourself eligible today yeah I think so eligible to do interviews for sure no from Munna Bhai domain in China right man like I've grown up watching you


China right man like I've grown up watching you duel easily keep saying I've grown up watching but the bold Ramayana or up the biryeo just because you got bigger biceps building you know no but for real again if someone studies your journey it's inspiring at every stage and I'm not just saying that and I know it's one of those party things to kind of play it clear down yeah it's fine it's very awkward just now someone came in said Nene is being no I I don't know how to listen I find it awkward to listen to praise not that people don't like praise yeah but it's a very strange paradox you don't know how to react I don't know order yet yeah okay for this interview every time I praise you because that's gonna happen a lot what do I do yeah just be like thanks bro okay to you jellow yeah coming back to like made in China it's a movie primarily about entrepreneurship - right so actually Raj Kumar said


entrepreneurship - right so actually Raj Kumar said this thing in one of his recent interviews he said that acting is a lot like entrepreneurship I have the same question to you do you somewhere look at yourself as a businessman who's selling his product which is the ability to act I'm so glad he said what he said because I like a fresh perspective on things yeah I always looked at acting very differently I never looked at it as entrepreneurship and I'm very interested in knowing what he said could you in a nutshell tell me that you know an entrepreneur should be there selling a product or a source technically as an actor you're taking out something from inside you putting it out on screen so in a way it's a product that you're putting out for the real world and the movie viewers I or consumers technically so have you ever looked at yourself no never hello never looked at it like this and I'm very impressed that he this this take I've never heard of


that he this this take I've never heard of before but what would you say about the movie made me it becomes a little intimate no get the process of acting I'll tell you but for me it becomes a little more intimate in the sense that I take it as a great privilege to be an actor not because you're on screen not because people are going to watch and you know people people say nice things at the end of the day save a critic here and a critic there and we'd forgive them for it but but so especially the people do to tend to forget that the term the Rotten Tomatoes but and they always remember the ones that touch them and whenever I meet people they say okay so it Munna Bhai MBBS for you someone said jolly LLB for me or someone said virus for me and they they talk about it and and that's that's that's good but for me I look at myself with a greater responsibility not not directly to the film indirectly to the film


not directly to the film indirectly to the film to the director to the makers to the producer but directly to the character that I'm going to breathe life into God because I am giving birth to a soul to a heart to a mind I become a mother stroke father the character like an artistic amoeba I am yeah you're making a baby yeah you're gonna see it grow you're gonna see him face the world you're gonna see him laugh you're gonna you're gonna see it cry you're gonna see it being exultant yeah and and for you that's your child you have created it and only you have created you've not created it with man and woman you've created it by yourself and for that breath that you put inside another another character you were responsible for it and in turn that character is responsible to the to service the story and to service the director's vision yeah so when when Astana or whoever whichever the character or the character and made-in-china reacts to something the


the character and made-in-china reacts to something the character is reacting to a situation or I got it so put put it in the character's DNA that if somebody needles you you control your anger or you explode the explode but I as a parent of that character have have programmed him such God so you know when I listen to you talking about this it seems like you put a lot of fire into your work there's a lot of like Moton you're really serious and Revelator yeah for sure and the other aspect of this is Fame put you up on a pedestal for the country like people are observing you you now as a you do I feel like my purpose is to put our positivity or to teach people some a great knowledge what would you say is the purpose of your career I'm not saying like you know the intention but what's the purpose what's the large I think what are you doing for society through films on a very basic level I've never looked at myself as an


basic level I've never looked at myself as an actor to make me feel great as a creative person you do feel you know you creatively we've done well there is some fun in that but I think as my mother always says that you've been given a talent not to feed your ego oh I did this in this particularly way and it this method or that man nobody gives a damn yeah what your job is to entertain people to bring a smile that's exactly what Manoj may have said yeah but I look at it that talent is given to you not for you to feel good about yourself of course you should but the the greater thing is people get a sense of joy and a sense of escapism bad word yeah better word I mean bad word yeah yeah but the meaning is the same I just don't like the word hundred percent because if there's a escapism you've done I think sometimes it should stay with you and then that is why even you as a 10 year old who saw a


even you as a 10 year old who saw a movie it sticks with you yes yes so there has to be something there has to be something to be said for contemporary consciousness why did why did virus affect us yeah why cuz everyone could relate to it someone what are you exactly and they relate to it go back to their childhood they try and understand what the viruses in their life did to them made them better made them worse yeah and that's your job to make people feel you know what I overcame that man I know of a very very well known person who didn't call me for three years after my three idiots was released and he called me three years later I said you know I want to tell you about virus I said Wow three years we just saw it you see noise so I don't date one but Ike and and I had a virus in my life and that managed to haunt me in my dreams and I have overcome that he he terrorized me yeah he


have overcome that he he terrorized me yeah he terrorized me and I said but I tell him you know see because of overcome it thank you for helping to overcome it because I can talk to you I feel I'm talking to virus I'm feeling much better now so if it uh I'm not saying you changed lives but it's important that if it has got no relevance to your life then that character will have no relevance on screen yeah hundred percent you've got to bring that in one person and that's a part of the purpose that's that's part of the purpose my next question to you is not related to films in general specifically what made in China right what made you sign this when you're playing a sexologist I think there's a lovely social message that that goes there and I use this line to say that you know if one has a heart problem you go to a cardiologist yeah one has a diabetes issue you would have diabetes is for that on ophthalmic surgeon for


diabetes is for that on ophthalmic surgeon for your eye if you have a dysfunction the physical dysfunction in your private life I think it's important to go to the doctor and I think that there are two things one is one is for treatment and the other is for awareness there's such a lack of awareness because it is made into a taboo tub subject no no it's got to do with your own body there's so much confusion and there's so many misconceptions about I think this opens it up a little bit you know and I think there's a nice nice way of looking at it it's a good messages wrap is a nice social message it's a nice social message coming back to your real life the real bummer right how did money change your life I mean the film kind of money film Bollywood money how did that change your life Oh firstly I was very happy to be associated with cinema but that's got not to be money sorry that's not the question I think there were two


sorry that's not the question I think there were two things that that I could do and they're both once I made some money one is first time I went to to to to London I had no money on me I went because I had to go with a unit I had no money and I went to HMV and I and I wanted to pick out a DVD of my favorite films and I could I picked up two but I could only buy one and I said you know what I wish I could buy though by 10 20 because that's something I really love as a kid to see all the film's when I watched as a kid if I could buy them and watch all those films and relive my my childhood all again so I think that's a very simple want for money and to is I love traveling God and and the first time that I traveled I mean I travel only on the expense of someone else because somebody says for this shooting for that shoot or going for this event and always the producer


shoot or going for this event and always the producer buys the buys they buy the ticket and I just said I would love to travel abroad right in the early days when I didn't have too much money hmm I can go on my own steam that's an option that should be with me I the day I can say that I'm going I'm going off for for a trip like that overnight mm-hmm and Leggero Munna Bhai by then and I so many responsibilities I did have too much spare cash even during that time and Munna Bhai was being shown at the United Nations at the UN yeah Raju calls and says I am new you see told me saying already I would have come it's mandatory 38 yeah we're saying nee nee ma our town where is it day after tomorrow ayato hello I just bought myself a ticket and went that gave me a great sense of freedom and to choose and go where you wish to choose especially to travel like I could go and represent myself


especially to travel like I could go and represent myself so of course the producer did call Vinod Chopra did call and say they are going I'm so happy I'm so happy let let let us buy the ticket I said no I want to buy the ticket and money does that you just makes you feel a little worthy yeah that's all in your own words yeah I think you scored a goal and you celebrate it just for a bit and then you came back and start playing again that's what I feel when right now no when these moments like these happen it's like you celebrating a goal in those moments and then when till you come back to the shooting space you come back to the shooting space yeah it's so beautiful and then I love holidays because it do brings families together yeah we spend time together and it may be because of that disastrous holiday that I try I'm still trying to cover up for that one I hope this interview is like a turning point and I


this interview is like a turning point and I enjoyed myself I have a few questions left is Google my next question to you is Fame what has fame dot you because you got fame kind of later in life and usually when Fame comes early it messes things up for some people but I think you you got it at the point where you were pretty stable in the head I don't know but Fame is a big mess oh yeah so I think I was lucky too I was lucky that the opium of Fame didn't give me such a big kick the opium of Fame actually humbled me I said you know either I go and become a nuisance nuisance and someone who can't be you know when your own mother friends or wife can't sit you down and tell you that what are you doing hmm you're gone beyond you've gone into that orbit where you're unapproachable mm-hmm because you got the Tom's arm of Fame around you you've gone there's nothing left you see that


you you've gone there's nothing left you see that happening to people in the film yari what do you where do you see people going wrong like what what happens wrong it's opium famous toxic in a way it's opium it's it's intoxicating on a level where you have no control so so you will be hit by the opium but it's it depends on whether you just want to close your eyes and say you know take it easy let me wake up in the morning and figure this out does it also depend on the people around you I think so and you've seen like the people were surrounded by the wrong people get I think so affected just need somebody to whisper on a wrong shoulder and is there anything you really dislike about your own industry like not enough to be a person like I know you're grateful for it no no I'm very grateful for yeah but something you change honestly you you know this far this too too much there's a lot of good in the industry actually


much there's a lot of good in the industry actually yeah whenever there's a disaster and you know you see the film industry the first to be jumped together and kind of you know rally for all sorts it's an extremely secular industry god yeah I'm not good at saying negative things I can't think of much let me ask you another question what have you learned from the film industry that stay with you for the harm I think that careers can be ephemeral they can vanish they can vanish and they can vanish for Joff old fault most of the time sometimes not not because it's your fault so it can just vanish enjoy it Oh while while it's while it's good learn a lot and learn something new because Fame softens the sofa yeah you sink a little more inside the sofa if you have learned something new then you may not require the fame yeah you could just go on and still have a career maybe do something else within within that God within within the confines of the


within within that God within within the confines of the industry so knowledge is what will protect you something new in yeah I think learning something new and being humbled enough to learn something new yeah that's the protection yeah that knowledge is the protection yeah because you're higher than what happened yeah non knowledge and humility I would say I think so ok I want to ask you about your childhood again you grow up with ADHD and dyslexia this lecture for in this calculus for sure because I'm just getting worse by the day it's getting worse yeah this guy dyslexia great improvement this calcula numbers disaster but they say that people who have these kind of conditions also geniuses and you kind of radiate the bit of that genius yeah yeah yo bro thank you thank you Bruno I don't know ever know it's just that one side of your brain is very strong all right freakishly strong I don't know that's genius if that the definition of genius but there's there's certain things that


of genius but there's there's certain things that I remember freakishly God freakishly it scares people understand so even tap into like old memories or something yeah that's probably that comes to use in your acting as well I think only Wow all that's kind of like a secret superpower you view status as it is like a power God Superboy I don't know but power for sure what what should advise for that person in their thirties who's considering a career switch but it's too afraid for a career switch I always say this who made the rules bring that guy and make make him stand in front of me whoever made the rules but was not was not a creative person at all he decided I don't know if it's one person of it is society at large the decider that certain age if you don't get married then you'll never get married stupid rule you're supposed to have kids at this age fair enough you should whatever but your career should be kind of decided by the time


your career should be kind of decided by the time you're 23 and by the time you're 30 you should be an expert at it that's a rule when will you stop and listen to that calling that I mentioned some time ago there is a calling in you and your mind will step out of your mind and go into your year and will call you and tell you it'll not tell you from you it'll tell you from here and there'll be a little voice that will tell you it from inside this is where you belong and if you thought of it as a child don't let it go because you would only live with a regret that you did not do it but in those moments you know people know about these voices but they afraid to kind of take that leap you know so you know having something that fear is something that they know stands carios well on the other hand not that I'm saying no to anyone but if some if the whole world knows that you sing off-key and you dine to


knows that you sing off-key and you dine to be a single maybe you should give it a second thought you know what I'm saying yeah gosh but he's in a Madonna now off Gilligan at calvo but Caro woebegone I try tomorrow Hibiki Habiba nagakura don't leave everything so if you if you are if you are a really off-key singer don't don't dump everything and say I'm going out there to become a singer yeah you've got the calling we are calling was wrong the reason to become a singer was probably wrong but I have no arguments with that also yeah kuroh maybe tomorrow people might like to listen to an off a singer basura Basu Rock Island Gaga I don't know they may be a trend tomorrow I hope not but but but having said that listen to that voice listen to that voice and that calling and say that this is what I always wanted to do at least start it as a hobby how do i ski is that check and


a hobby how do i ski is that check and see whether you're flying or floating you gotta feel the float yeah you don't feel the floor then maybe it's not for you and somebody says you know just put that today you you want to paint you never give up the world to be a painter get somebody teach practice practice an hour every day and you can put it up on on social media and you test the waters before you take that big drastic decision of dumping your your million-dollar job as you know what I'm saying yeah so what stops you from trying I don't understand nenenene me but what no no I'm gonna be a director next year Wow I've been learning how to be a screenplay writer for seven years now crazy this was in the middle of you acting now now No Wow seven years I just came back from New York after doing a workshop that's a part of your process of getting knowledge yeah learning writing I don't know whether I'll be good or bad yeah that's


know whether I'll be good or bad yeah that's not important do you perceive this as you challenging yourself is it something that just comes naturally to your calling something's telling you to become us yeah my question do you why would just challenge yourself for the sake of to enjoy it why will I suffer the Challenger to enjoy the challenge mmm I think that's something younger people need to pick up from slightly elder brothers so like I think younger guys always everything like with that barrio mentality oh come on I'm gonna challenge myself I'm gonna do it and quandary to you and you're just saying that you know listen you're calling this is a I enjoy and why not kind of thing I'll tell you another problem maybe maybe again little advice again is that you look around you and you see a lot of Fame floating around and you see that so you want to get there faster and the first thing that I said there are no magic bullets and there are no


said there are no magic bullets and there are no shortcuts and if you really want to excel in it you don't start from Ground Zero level you start from underground level yeah because you've got to build the foundation to make a building or a dig inside down not up so so don't look around and say this guy man he's making so much money doing this and he's just you know he's everybody can't do what you're doing you know you know you're doing a pretty in-depth conversation you're not you don't have followers because well he's good looking to buy some well you know what I mean but the you know what I'm trying to say don't look at other people's fame that's loading gonna say I want to be famous because the last thing in the world is you want to be famous add add the risk of getting it right get it right then enjoy the fame after see get it right yes so after seeing all of life what's the most any suggesting I'm an old man it comes


most any suggesting I'm an old man it comes out of place of respect when I do I don't know but what's what's the most beautiful thing about life according to you that you can shock shock yourself with what you're capable of surprising yourself yeah surprising yourself this is great fun to do man this is a great fun you see you see you see a gymnast a present you know that but it's you doing the defying gravity they define elasticity they define bones they're defined Chuck are I don't know how they're doing what they're doing they have defied the human body to do such beautiful things with it you can do the same thing with your mind if you don't have a great yeah that's kind of what I'm trying to do yeah a great thing with your mind is capable of imagining whatever you want to imagine if you have to pass on only one human teaching to your kids what would it be okay I'll have to say one with six things beside you no but but


say one with six things beside you no but but one would be you will never learn anything if you're not humble and you've not learned anything if you've not applied what you learnt you can't say I learned it in an issue of I have great knowledge on this who cares practical what did you apply it on God like the practical experience man yeah so just just learn something enjoy don't be pedantic about tomorrow and ethically done would be the best and humbly done would be the best and you know a lot of actors have come to me and I'm sounding like an old man now really son you know what but what do you think give me some tips I can't teach you in five minutes you know but if you remain humble you take care of your learning and you take care of the opium of Fame God simple what should people stay away from in life according to you lots of people stay away from life you can stay close to anything you want man yeah you see balance this


to anything you want man yeah you see balance this balance it do do what the hell you have to but I but I genuinely feel bootlickers bootlickers maybe maybe they're they have an ulterior motive there yeah I think the bad kind of people can absolutely ruin even the best yeah because it's a good piece what is it bootlickers and my final question to you is that why should a young person go and watch this film made in China [Music] why should a young person go and watch I think see again he's young Buddha look need architects so or densify many college kids so you're talking you're you're you're getting severe damage hahaha the Rooney you know when I saw three idiots I got this intuition a voice told me that don't do engineering and I still did engineering so yeah that's my story about three years that's good yeah but I don't regret it no no no you've learned something 100% but I think this movie eventually unlike a story with which has


this movie eventually unlike a story with which has a story layered underneath it got a message you could call it a message I don't know if that but it's an entertaining story which has a layer built below it that you know to me it's the story of often on a man who wants to get some self-worth God boy what's up with some they're treating me badly in the family they're treating me like I am saying a jockey a girl a jockey vocal a my wife doesn't think and I'm talking about that the lead character Rajkumar Rao Skye a wonderful actor wonderful actor another reason why I want to do the film was to work with Raja come why it's so nice you know it's so nice to work with it within with a wonderful actor like he so it's an entrepreneur's journey who wants eventually I have come to the conclusion all life and all that we do in our lives is about self-worth hmm you know feel worthy you


is about self-worth hmm you know feel worthy you you want people to say good stogie a life force to cure I think that's what the story says and then we have my character dr. Verdi who who was a sexologist who is just bringing a little awareness and he needs me for authenticity card for his product so that that forges the friendship but I think somewhat didn't interview that and say it is it you think it's a taboo subject I say the moment you call it taboo it becomes tab yeah it's not it's about you your own body that you've got to take care of relationships because they can suffer frustrations and then mental problems that can go spiring spiraling out of control God so I think there are a lot of themes in this film frequency yeah a lot of it's it's very entertaining it's great fun and everybody wants to see an underdog story Peter so your young people will enjoy one one more question I have for you he asked me 28 one last


I have for you he asked me 28 one last questions but I like that you know this isn't just a podcast for me it's like a little buddy so and you're talking to India's future you learn masks so but you seem like someone who's always learning so on a daily basis what do you do to keep your brain stimulated lovely I keep my brain sharp by this there's one misconception about memory yeah they thought you know what how memory works memory doesn't work but that I remembered something that happened when I was eleven year old I don't think so it works because you recalled what happened what to you as a 11 year old when you were a 15 year old when your 18 year old where 25 so the last memory is what you're recalling not the 11 year old memory so you got to keep your memory always fresh so whenever somebody says who was an actor in that that movie hey don't tell me I close my eyes and and and I try to think that my


eyes and and and I try to think that my brain is like a computer chip and then good and I will never check it up on the IMDB hmm I will always fish it out of my head that helps me to stay sharp you know so memory memory is a thing that I value a lot to keep the mind of agile learn something new learn something new and stop you made me speak like an old man before saying advice advice stop behaving and talking like an old man you know you gotta if you are talking to - what's your average age like 20 to speak to speak to 22 year olds no not like a 60 year old that's the moment you see I'm a 60 year old talking at Chateau Mira you're gone why should he talk like a 60 year old I am 60 years old but why should I talk like I said communicating with ready - your rules yeah I feel like I'm talking to like a 25 year Oh finally good what's the word I thank you for


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honestly believe that there's no other industry in the country that's as impactful as the industry that we call Bollywood or Indian films now imagine dedicating your entire life to one industry studying it inside out every single week every single day actually that's Rajiv my son for you also super articulate guy he can talk about his thoughts really really well but of course it's that envy show and if you're talking about Bollywood we're not just talking about the business of Bollywood we're also talking about the gossipy side of Bollywood the dark side of Bollywood but I promise you it's all from an intellectual perspective yes gossip darkness and intellectual conversation can be put in the same 30 minutes or so hope you enjoy this 30-minute podcast with one of the most lurid men when it comes to the world of modern Bollywood Rajeev Masand lots to learn in this podcast welcome to another episode of the Henry show this one's gonna be smart intellectual articulate cuz we got all these


be smart intellectual articulate cuz we got all these words personified mr. Raja my son thank you you're making a big promises I hope we can live up to no it's you're one of the most fiery brains in the business and that's why I'm gonna ask you thank you three quick pieces of Bollywood gossip without without taking names oh dear okay I know that a particular actor is really angry with his co-star because his co-star has suddenly has recently spoken about kind of disowned the film by by pointing to historical inaccuracies in the film and and the coast and the and the the producer actors really mad at him okay I know there are certain actress who was trying to avoid her ex at a certain event was only half successful because they were in the room at the same time and it got awkward because the other actor was with his family okay and one more I know that there's serious problem the serious monetary problem on a film then everyone's really looking forward to it's


a film then everyone's really looking forward to it's supposed to be the big one that's gonna come out but there's a there's a huge financial problem there they might be running out of budget because they've been shooting for so long oh wow okay good ah my next question to you mr. Raja my son because you're from this industry is your job to study this industry alright so it's gonna be straight up difficult question to you okay what Shah Rukh Khan done wrong in the last five six years you know um I think he became um I think first I want to say that I think that he has taken a risk I think I think zero was a huge risk I think there was there was it came from a place of trying something really brave I think film like fan was extraordinary in terms of what he wanted to do I think what he's been unable to do to shake off is to play Shahrukh Khan over and over again even when he's playing a do off he's playing


even when he's playing a do off he's playing Shahrukh the dwarf he's not playing that dwarf he's playing Shahrukh the little person he's playing Shahrukh the the socially awkward whatever in fan which is why in fan for me the character that stood out was actually the film star because I thought that that he played really interestingly and he was playing a version of himself but but that one really bristled because because he was playing him darker he was playing him as as someone who's who dances and weddings for money who's who's who's not all you know who's not who's not the movie star that we that we see and on hoardings but but he's the real movie star so I think the problem is that he needs to completely let go off of Shahrukh Khan and and he's a fine actor that's there I think he needs to work with directors who are not overwhelmed by him I think he needs to let go of control and I think that's very hard when


go of control and I think that's very hard when you're a massive superstar because you really do understand the business and you understand your fans and you think you understand what the world wants better than even your filmmaker is no it but I think that the only way to completely submit is to give up control trust a filmmaker trust a story and say that I like this and that's why I want to do it and I think he's done that but very often what he's done is he loves he loves under-eyes story but he will come in as producer and take charge of a lot of things don't let let it be another wise aesthetic let it be should you eat circars aesthetic let it be in Thea's Ali's aesthetic I think that he allows too much of Shahrukh to creep in um but I still think that he's the bravest of them all I think he's taking leaps and and and and you know he's taking more chances then then most of the others


taking more chances then then most of the others he's also the most charming of them all so that's why even if he has only flop films from Iran he's still gonna be loved and respected by that's the thing I think he's just really charming it's simple I'll tell you from I'm not name-dropping but there's two people in the world and I'm saying world because it's two different you know there are who are exactly the same personality wise I met them when a Shahrukh and the other storm crews and I cannot tell you how similar they are when you're with them they charm the pants of you haha I've been in a room with Tom Cruise for like eight minutes I mean you don't you've been on junket so you know how these things are really short in those eight minutes I felt like I'm the most important person in his life and that is that is exactly the quality that Shahrukh has when they're with you and Shahrukh makes you wait man like


with you and Shahrukh makes you wait man like I mean you know by the time you're with your turn to to go into a meeting or an interview Charu for us have passed or whatever so exhausted but that half hour one hour that you spend with Shahrukh you walk out feeling like you're the most important person in his life in the world because they really know how to make you feel good they really they really know um you know they know how to talk to people right and Tom Cruise is exactly again I think that's why they have the enduring the both of them I mean there have been spades of you know there have been huge chunks and Tom Cruise's career where films didn't work where he didn't have major releases but he's still considered one of the biggest superstars in the world because of that enduring quality he has that even when the films don't work you don't forget him I mean he's he's had such a huge impact on the cultural footprint really as as


huge impact on the cultural footprint really as as has Shahrukh right I also want to ask you a little bit about the business of Bollywood now these top actors everyone's becoming a producer what I think a lot of the audiences don't know is that actors have a lot of businesses outside of films as well yeah so a good unit kind of just very fast break down the whole revenue stream model of all these actors like what's happening in the modern day yes all of them have other interest because I constantly you know constant hearing about how films actually don't pay as much money and it probably is true because given the amount of time they spend working on a film it's not even if even if your auction unless you're Akshay Kumar hahahaha makes five films earlier and which are just like 30 plus crores and everyone unless but but most of the other stars don't want to do that Aamir Khan does one film in three years in one film in two years and whatever he gets paid


one film in two years and whatever he gets paid is not is not commensurate to what you could be making if you were doing other things so I think they make all the money the real money comes from other things you know you know I remember meeting him sorry again dropping names Ryan Reynolds you know I remember meeting Ryan Reynolds when when he was doing Deadpool and he said you make movies for love you get paid for the marketing because half the time they're there promoting from the right that's the path you'll really enjoy right clogging of film and I think that's true in the case of Bollywood stars it's the ads it's the appearances it's the other businesses I mean each of them have you know multiple businesses are you familiar with the who has what you know I have to say no I don't I'm not I mean Shahrukh of course has a production company but I'm sure that's one of other businesses I'm sure they're all heavily invested in in in real estate I'm


heavily invested in in in real estate I'm sure that they have you know the joke about Akshay Kumar used to be that well you walk into Toronto and Akshay Kumar owns half of Toronto got so much property but but I'm not I have to say very honestly I could I mean you know you know of some like you know Abhishek has a stake you know you know in a sports company and you know that Topsy has a stake Topsy also has a wedding planning business so she's I think they all recognize that you need to be entrepreneurs outside of the film business because it's so fickle and because that landscape changes so quickly and because if you want to do quality it's funny how quality work is inversely proportionate to to actually income so if you really want to spend your time making movies with love and you want to spend your time preparing for movies and you want to do like one film in two years then good luck the money is not because you know


then good luck the money is not because you know look at it it's there yes 35 crores seems like a lot of money but look at the lifestyles look at the you know they all want to have the fancy cars that's not what I come out of making one movie every two years yeah you have to have the additional the additional revenue streams I'm not sure what those are in a lot of their cases I mean I I've heard our mayor is investing in a lot of in a lot of startups actually I know Rana Daggubati is is hugely involved in in in startups but um but I don't have the details I mean fortunately for me that that's and that's an area I don't necessarily couple are there a lot of unaddressed mental health issues in Bollywood flying around I think there are there they have to be read because it's just such a fragile fickle business that I can't imagine that people don't have insecurities and I can't claim to understand it very


and I can't claim to understand it very well but you know it's it's funny this literally for the first time I mean I I read Shahin parts book like that she wrote on eleven system that's a Leah's sister and and she's someone who's who's spoken about her battle with depression I read it because I was going to interview her and and I was reading it and I could I could relate to a lot of the symptoms and I'm like gosh I don't think of myself as someone who is depressed or who has mental issues mental health issues but if someone like me who seemed over as a seemingly ordinary life not the stakes that movie stars do can relate to symptoms can you imagine what what some of these big big stars are dealing with I mean every Friday litora or a couple of Friday's every year when their movies coming out your fate hangs in the balance because it's really true that their Friday decides so much it really decides what we're


Friday decides so much it really decides what we're gonna be for the next year and now since these guys make only one or two films a year you're you're kind of there's just so much insecurity there is um there are new actors coming along and now it's not just new actors right now there's new um there's new areas I mean look at look at how look at how popular youtubers have become look at how popular the actors were working on digital shows have become I mean it has to have some impact how do you realize when I mean when you ate a bunch of your films are flopping you have to wonder whether people want to see you anymore whether you know better people whether you are you're you're relevant at all anymore I mean those those things must play you know some role in in your I mean you know they made must have some impact and I I'm constantly wondering when I question myself so much it they must be it must be so much more you


they must be it must be so much more you know and that's why you hear of these stories of substance abuse and because people deal with it in different ways right I mean it takes a lot and I know that it takes a lot to even admit that you have a problem and those are basic stuff you're like you know when you see a when you see someone who's a rival or a contemporary do really well does it does it give that you've not depressed but do you do you feel low do you have moments which are really happy moments and you still feel oh I mean I didn't even know I don't even know that those are symptoms I but they are and they could be and all of those things I'm sure that um that they feel but I also think that today the conversation is getting louder with what Deepika is doing with you know with Anushka speaking about it with them a lot of these guys are speaking about it and I think that sometimes I see that the


it and I think that sometimes I see that the way they get a tat for it because people don't also culturally and you know as society if we don't understand something we tend to reject it because I make fun of it which is sad because if you do that more people are going to be awkward about about talking about it and the only way you can deal deal with it is addressing it also going to a shrink going to psychiatrist it's so um you know in the West it's it's such a matter-of-fact kind of thing I mean everyone does it and with actors and stuff it's almost a cliche everyone has their own shrink on speed-dial literally over here no one even talks about it I don't know I don't know if there are many that go that that have you know that the visit psychiatrists and psychologists but I would imagine that there is a need just given how transitory transient how fickle this businesses how it puts you on a pedestal at one moment and


puts you on a pedestal at one moment and you're pulled off pretty soon how things change so fast I would imagine that some professional help is not a bad it's not a bad idea and I and I'm pretty sure some of them do seek that out what is one thing that you're doing specifically doesn't know about the world of films I think that um a lot of people feel that if you're a movie star it's it's a great easy life um I don't think it's I don't think so I think the bigger that you are there's a lot of pressure on you I understand as I say this that were you know we're talking about movie stars who get really well paid who get really all the fanciest clothes and the fanciest you know gizmos and everything for free and it's almost a case of poor little rich guy what it is it's really hard I'm not saying oh you know so sad that there's of course there's a lot that compensates I don't think anything


a lot that compensates I don't think anything in compensate for the hard life but I do think that it's a hard life I think that's that they work really hard because the the pressure and I think it's much more than today the pressure is much more today than it was a few years ago I think there's a lot of pressure misty in the game to constantly make the right choices I mean I wish man Khurana today is probably the number one star in terms of the choices and I can't think of someone who has more pressure on them because he's now has the pressure to constantly make the right choices it must be terrifying you know I remember a leopar talking about how when she had her first flop shandar which came after a bunch of hits she was devastated because it was her first flop and her father was like this is a good thing because now you've tasted it now you won't be on your toes I mean I wish mine must be I can't imagine what


I wish mine must be I can't imagine what I should must be like because you know you don't want when you've got this lucky streak and everyone's talking about it you know there's there's natural pressure and there's the pressure that people put on you and we're constantly this is the man with the golden touch this is the man with the golden guard is the man who touches anything returns of the gold and there will be one swap and suddenly everyone is arrear he's not he's not that special and that's a lot of pressure and we suddenly forget that you know he has made incredible choices and that could well be a great choice of film doesn't flop only because it's bad this flop I mean so many good films don't work so it could it could flop for whatever reason but the kind of pressure that someone which is the Shahrukh you know you know I mean it must be so hard being Shahrukh because right you're the guy that everyone loves and you're wondering but


guy that everyone loves and you're wondering but then why why aren't they going and watching my movies I mean he just says to go out to his balcony to see how much they love him but why aren't they going to see my movies it must you know I can't imagine what that must be like and and similarly um this whole conversation on nepotism you know III and I've just come off the roundtable that we did nicer and Aniyah get good mercilessly trolled and I just want to say I think a lot of people because you asked me what do a lot of people not know I think it is hard I think that even the guys who come from from from big names you know famous names do have their own struggle and and maybe she didn't articulate it as well because she spoke about her father not being on coffee with current but I want to say you know everyone has their own reality it it's not an equal world your struggle and my struggle may not


equal world your struggle and my struggle may not be the same yours may be much more what do you seems trivial my struggle might seem trivial my insecurities might seem trivial but they're not to me right it is I mean and your struggle might seem trivial to the third guy who sells who lost his entire family in a car crash are you comparing it to them is your struggle less because he's gone through that no so I think the people of we are very very quick to judge and I'm guilty of it I think we're all guilty of it you know Iran in our level as well but I just feel like some of these kids who have famous movie star parents and stuff I mean you know cut them some slack yeah I just want to stand up a little bit for and Yvonne Diaz so she was a junior in school okay and the school was drew by Imani international school and the school is really given me more than I could have asked what's


given me more than I could have asked what's made me the person I am today life in saying that it was some of Bombay's most elite families that send their kids to that school including Shah Rukh's family cephalic Ansan right so I grew up with Sally can I grow up with Sachin Tendulkar's kids and I've been in that school have been in her shoes and I know what it's like growing up in that environment where say you're growing up with a superstar's kid and you know their parents are called on coffee give Quran your pens are not rat is your reality that is your struggle really is that's not something that audiences understand like people having that oh you know your films like people make these stories about you in the head but yeah yeah yeah poor girl must be going through like a whole you know world of you know she's actually quite articulate and she's quite smart and in that episode I I felt was unfair because it they pulled out one little


was unfair because it they pulled out one little bit which sounded okay which sounded if you take it out of context it sounds like a you know a famous person complaining but if you actually listen to her throughout her take on on privilege I think she actually acknowledged it and I think she was you know she constantly spoke about the work she feels she's she needs to do as a result and I think that we were very quick to judge yeah I'm also a fan of Sudan shut away the in saying there I loved him an inside edge actually ran even more than golly boy haha because he's really convinced me he's playing that homo village what was the vibe between them after the interview can I tell you after interview we didn't even realize I don't think anyone eyes and I certainly didn't realize that that was a snap trap kind of you know what the way it was pulled out and and and memes were made and and that and just that


and memes were made and and that and just that little bit I think he said what he had to say she said what she had to say he said I don't think he was responding you know in a manner in a manner to slap at her it makes for great TV and makes it it makes for great memes if you if you just isolate that I think what he says is you write what he said is absolutely true and that's his reality right but that doesn't mean that her reality is any lesser for her that's the life she's led it's not an equal word it's not a fair world everyone is not you know you could you can have these conversations only if every if it's a fair world and everyone has the exact starting point and and someone is complaining that oh but then sorry you only only mail it will take you that far but we we don't live in a perfect world we don't live in a fair world so the vibe was absolutely fine they're actually doing a


the vibe was absolutely fine they're actually doing a movie together mr. Muhsin your round table the straight up fire I really enjoy doing them thank you but what do people not know about them uh I'll tell you I'm glad you asked me this question because I've never again I've never said this because I don't feel it's right for me to say it on my platforms when you when when people say oh this person wasn't them you know Rajiv it was not on the ground table how could he not take really you hate everything you always gonna do thing I'm not I I think it's disrespectful on my part to come out and respond to those questions and say hey we tried to get Riddick Russian but his dates we couldn't match if I say that it's undermining those were on the table but I want to tell you I promise you we reach out everyone who's been good in a film that year there is no limit on how many people we can have in the round table


how many people we can have in the round table so if you see five when you think Hrithik Roshan's not on that round table because Rajiv didn't want him that's I reached out to I promise you be reached out to every single main that comes I mean if you have a bizarre choice I mean if you if you talk about someone who doesn't deserve to be them only you think that person gave a great performance then that's different but everyone who attacks me saying that you're biased and that's why you didn't put this one on that's why I know it's it's a monster to coordinate together and you know what it takes to get five people on that I mean I what does it take oh god it takes it takes months of incessant calling it takes up you know no one says no to being on the wrong table I think most people are happy to be honored because I think they see it as a as a place where we have sincere conversations about the craft about the


we have sincere conversations about the craft about the business what is hard is coordinating everyone's dates together there are egos in world there are genuinely scheduling issues involved I mean Vicky Kaushal was supposed to be on round this year because of course he was incredible in hurry but but he was in Russia shooting and he could only come back on the 28th of December I which attend their own tables are done I couldn't wait in it's sometimes it's as simple as that as long my point is as long as the other five were on the table deserved to be there don't question my integrity did you feel like any of those people in that table didn't deserve to be there no you you think so and so also deserve to be there then I promise you that person was not there because because we tried and we couldn't get that person there but everyone I just want to say it's very easy to oh this person you know if you don't see your favorite actor oakarina was


you don't see your favorite actor oakarina was endeavor but Karina's movie came out after we don't put an elder we don't invite an actor to table unless we've seen that film so dude do you have like Bollywood parents calling you entering your amorous target gelila no not bollywood pairings there are PR people and and it's hard sometimes and you know sometimes it's hard it's not just PR people it's producers sometimes it's actors who send you messages saying they want to be on it and it's it's very very awkward because how do you say no it's it's it's hard you know um you just say like I think you'll be I think you're gonna be better in in next year's you have to be polite because but as everyone thinks they're great and they probably are good but you really only have place for five and you want to get your first choice and you want to get everyone who deserves to be there actually really there is no I mean it's not only place for five


is no I mean it's not only place for five we think of five as a benchmark I can't go below five but we've had I mean we had we had seven actresses last year I think we had seven directors this year five is what we like to hit and and more than that is if there is I'll never I'll never not put an actor because we only have place for five so our people you know they're real versions of themselves on camera is it a show and then once the cameras off they become a new person I don't know I have to say I think if we you know an hour and a half or whatever long we take to shoot it would be a lot of it would be you you'd have to be a damn good actor not ready for that long I think if it slips you know you're who you are kind of slips at some times but I think that they recognise her on this on this Roundtable if you're pretending you're not you're gonna if people can


pretending you're not you're gonna if people can see through it because they're seeing you now in relation to others and I think that people that love you love you for who you are so if you're not being yourself people can see that I mean I'm not gonna name this actor but this is active that everyone but he was clearly up two years ago I think it was and he oh yeah two years ago and he was um he was being of he was being it he was trying to be a slightly more important version that's not who he is he was trying to be you know he was trying to behave like like like another actor maybe who's known for being a bit of a snotty kind of guy but that's his personality and people love him for that but people don't love you for this in the comments I read about people can see through it I think today right the viewers are so sharp they really can tell if you're if you're not being yourself so I think that being offended


not being yourself so I think that being offended and I think the actors know that even better than us I think they've realized that you have to be who you are and sometimes that is that is Remy Singh whose bizarre and who walks in with you know with a boombox and and kind of intimidate almost shake and I think like a ton of bricks it for music walked in with you know in his funny hair and his costume and his and and the boombox and like an entourage of twenty people it was it was mad but but that's who he is and I think that once once or an akuna is is shy and quiet and everyone who's they go I cannot look bored no he is shy and quiet and perhaps you know in in a roomful of people he's he's not as as social as he would be one-on-one but but that's who he is right you know unless you're like very spiritually advanced I believe that every career has its pros yeah and its negatives


every career has its pros yeah and its negatives yeah so I want to ask you about you specifically as a guy what do you not like about what you do you know I think that um I think if you've been watching films as long as as long as I have is a career and sometimes sometimes it can get tiring it takes it takes sometimes it sucks the joy out of it I mean films are meant for entertainment right you go to watch a film because you want because you like the trailer and there's you want have a good time for me it's a job and sometimes that could be because you watch a lot of bad films maybe at one go or or the mind is somewhere else and you've got many other things going on sometimes the the joy of watching films it starts to become a job and that's really sad because you shouldn't be you should be a film critic if you don't love it um so so you have to kind of quickly calibrate yourself and you have to


kind of quickly calibrate yourself and you have to kind of maybe take some time off or or just do something that you enjoy and I think that social media is a I'm gonna as much a social media is a positive influence I think it really can be can be very very intense intense and and taxing and and judgmental and and sometimes that is what you know they gone are the sweet days when you when you wrote a review or you put up a review and an email would come or a letter would come now it's like yeah also if people don't agree with you the first comment is you must be paid or you must be a you're biased there is no room for I thought differently you thought differently these this is films this this is not Matt's mathematics 2+2 will always be for a biryani you might really love it I might God and it doesn't mean it's awful it just means we have different tastes right but but people don't get that I think as a


but but people don't get that I think as a society we we've we just feel that if if someone doesn't agree with us then they're wrong there is no right is wrong with so I find that quick judgmental nature um you know I'm almost after putting on a review Aman was like very I'm like oh god now it's gonna start I'm like on Fridays Friday evenings I don't shake my I don't take my mentions because I don't want at least I need a day it's been a long day watched a movie came back rotated recorded it now I need it I can also take the brick Bats the same day so sometimes it gets very intense and and and and if it when you start to not love it you really should kind of take some time off or or if you if you if you don't love it for long period maybe it's not maybe it's time to take a break and what's the biggest blessing of your life ah you know the really the opportunity to