so they wanted Kashmir to keep burning so when it happened in 1989 when it started I was there as a young Captain 88 first time I went to Kashmir when the kashmiri pandits came out I'll tell you why this thing is kashmiri pundits came out the population demography changed kashmiri pandits were basically in through education profession plus other businesses but the education collapsed The Village Schools which are made of wood those days those were burned down better rest so children were not getting good education because good teachers had left most of them and there was a problem thereafterwards the hurry up the herthals or lockdowns started every second day used to be Kashmir locked down or this for that reason of this reason and the schools won't open the children would not go to school for 200 to 250 days in a year because of these lockdowns you can pick up your grocery if you feel the three days lockdown today you can pick up after three days of another seven days but


pick up after three days of another seven days but you cannot catch up on your syllabus which you have missed about 80 percent of the classes then they were promoted in Mass without exams as a result the base of Education was very weak then they come to 10th 12th class when they have to compete for getting admission in good professional college or good universities so naturally when the child has not been through a good education upbringing they could not compete now because of 370 and 35 way mostly 35 weather industry or the multinational corporations were not allowed to come into Kashmir for establishing industry so the job opportunities were less economic growth was less and because of terrorism Kashmir is a basically a tourism oriented society and agrarian society basically fruits and when the terrorism was there the tourists stopped coming so it's a lot of hoteliers a lot of Transport businesses shopkeepers they lost their income coupled with this in 1990 when India opened up to World economy and world became a global


up to World economy and world became a global village 1990 is the time when terrorism started in Kashmir here there was economic growth happening job Creations happening there the education going down the economic growth going down the job creation going down and what happened in the end when the boy could not get into a good University good college he was like a Canon photo for the terrorist to be recruited and this is exactly what Pakistan wanted Pakistan did not want this young kashmiri voice to get good education good job then they will not ask for what Pakistan is asking yeah so the whole ecosystem which worked towards it and now after 5th of August 2019 the 370 having been abrogated there's a lot of investment which is going in a lot of Peace which is happening there's a lot of awareness which has come in so things are on the upper graph now and I'm sure they will change for good what about that Lost Generation of children which didn't get good education but are also not becoming


didn't get good education but are also not becoming insurgents what are they up to now kashmiri Society is a very intellectual Society okay they're a very aware Society they are very education oriented Society their poets they're musicians The Artisans their you know different types of art maybe carpets maybe paper mache maybe walnut wood or what have you so this whole generation which you're talking about it's not the generation which suffered it is the society which suffered a society which was so intellectual but just so nice now today two-thirds of the population of Jammu and Kashmir is below the age of 30. and they have grown up under the gun culture like I always say so that society that Gap in that generation of the age group is what we have to understand yeah two-thirds of the population has seen this terrorism happening day in and day out in the neighborhood in their own houses yeah so we need to understand the psychology psych of this generation and need to be more human towards


of this generation and need to be more human towards their cause and their feelings all of them are not terrorists let me be very clear the people who are terrorists or people who are Terror sympathize us they are in single digit yeah normal kashmiri just wants his daily life his good education good Hospital facilities good you know job opportunities and peaceful life with the family [Music] um so what's the reality of Pakistan occupied Kashmir it's a aspect of the world which is very I'd say it's probably not understood Enough by Indian citizens what is the reality of that land right now like if you go there right now what's happening there all over is it peaceful is it a hotbed of Insurgency what's happening I mean we know the answer but I want I'll just give a little background to uh because some of the audience may not understand but Pakistan Kashmir is when Kashmir succeeded to India on a legal document Pakistan sent in their Raiders to occupy Kashmir


Pakistan sent in their Raiders to occupy Kashmir by force and they were almost on the outskirts of Srinagar when the Indian army went in and pushed them back they have been pushed back from the Kashmir Valley per se but some part of the austral Jammu and Kashmir including gilgit baltistan and some areas of Jammu and Kashmir are still with them because they could only be pushed up to a particular place because it was month of October then the winters came in the passes got covered and there was a river obstacles so that area which is still under Pakistan control outside the Kashmir Valley per se is called Pakistan Kashmir they are also same kashmiri people there the brothers who have decide on that side of the line of control the situation there is such good thing which happened was the internet the social media the you know Global Village concept and there was a bus service we just started between Pakistan occupied Kashmir and Kashmir so anyone who went to Pakistan occupied


and Kashmir so anyone who went to Pakistan occupied Kashmir spent few days there with their relatives came back he came and told the horror stories the neglect which Pakistan occupied Kashmir was undergoing the lack of Education higher education facilities like today the nine medical colleges which are coming up or were only there in jnk whereas that said the nil um the type of job opportunities which are now getting created this side the airports the hospitals the iits the iims which are coming up it's a it's a world of a difference so that is now becoming clear because of the social media and the internet and people going and physically seeing it honestly so this podcast is a lot of Kashmir education for me as well and I feel so many people who appear on these news channels with strong opinions about it is it fair to say that they're not fully informed about the reality uh I will not specifically talk about anyone I will say anyone who has not been to Kashmir is


say anyone who has not been to Kashmir is an opinion maker on Kashmir I'll tell you when small anecdote I was a core commander in Kashmir yeah and uh 370 abrogation had taken place and uh top newspaper Chief editor wanted to come to Kashmir and interview me so we fixed up the date and time and he flew in from Delhi and and say the time was fixed 11 o'clock or so he came at about 10 30. so my staff told me sir gentleman is here I said okay we can finish off the thing so he came in and he said sir I'm very sorry I underestimated overestimated that travel time I came little faster so SLS generally takes that much time from the airport he said but I was thinking there's a lockdown I'm talking about post fifth of August there's a lockdown there will be a lot of checking lot of places I'll be holed up at the barrier and asked to approve my ID and it will take me a long


approve my ID and it will take me a long time so I said no nothing like that happened he said yes the call shops are open all roads are open traffic is moving around freely there is no roadblocks there are no barriers and that's how I reached half an hour early um so I said who's telling you okay there was a lockdown there's no nothing called lockdown about the whole uh media is saying there's a lockdown in Kashmir I told him I said you you are the media you are a newspaper editor um and then comes the beauty then he says actually I write uh twice a month I write an article on Kashmir in editorial column so I thought I must go and see Kashmir no he has not been to Kashmir his writing editorial articles on Kashmir and he has a perception even being in the media which is supposed to be aware of things yeah and that is what I'm saying the narrative building about Kashmir about the wrong things going around


building about Kashmir about the wrong things going around Kashmir are all narrative building Pakistan till today saying Kashmir there's a lockdown um there are the movie shootings which happening in Kashmir yeah so that's why if anyone who comes on the TV where they can influence a young mind my request would be you should have done your homework you should be an expert on the subject and you should know the topic because you spend so much time in Kashmir please feel free not to answer this also um you witnessed the kashmiri pundit exodus yes I was a young captain in North Kashmir in District upada and on 19th January 1990 before that we I reached there in September 1988 and I was there till a better part of 1990. so I witnessed the situation at that time however since I was only a captain and in a particular area with a particular area of responsibility I written about this in a great detail in my book because what happened on


great detail in my book because what happened on that day what happened prior to that and a lot of people even question as to why the Army didn't do anything can you give a gist like I told you kashmiri punt is left education system collapsed the ecosystem of uriath terrorist and all those people anyone who didn't align with them got killed they made sure the society remained uneducated the socio-political economic aspects outcomes of this social outcome there is a very deep rooted thing you will see no Syed no you know higher cost chap getting killed in encounter they all the controllers of terrorism there's a Canon photocast which gets killed in the encounters economics because of the terrorism because of lack of Education because of lack of good opportunities good infrastructure good development no peace Economic Development does not happen because the education had not happened Economic Development has not happened the job creation is not there yeah the no immenses which have come in because of 35a and tourism


which have come in because of 35a and tourism Society basically everyone depend on tourism because there was no peace tourists were scared to go at times the terrorists even killed the tourists yeah whose fault not a kashmiri Local's fault but he suffered okay very unrelated question do you believe in karma yes you believe that actions have consequences see ya I will say every man is responsible for himself for his actions but as a military commander I am also responsible for the well-being of my men under my command for me karma is not only that I do good karma so I will get the good results in this life for the next life or my children will get a you know good result because of the karma for me karma is instant yeah if I am a good Commander if I do my planning properly I conduct my operations properly I lead my team properly my actions are judicious Justified and transparent I'll come back with my men safe I'll come back myself safe yeah so


men safe I'll come back myself safe yeah so Kama is granting me immediately but the point which you are making you know every Indian has got that feeling somewhere at the back of the mind and I'm no different but I would want to do the thing rightly in the right manner as a part of the team yes for the overall good of my team yeah um the reason I ask you this is because I've been reading about this concept called Collective Karma which means that Societies in general also hold a certain Karma that if a society is inflicting pain or countries infecting inflicting pain on another country it's going to come back at some point which makes me think about Pakistan in general after the two podcasts we've done it has been a response so the isi has been responsible for you know creating havoc in this one area um what I wish to ask you is um you know what's happening inside Pakistan right now as well not just economically what I believe is that a lot


just economically what I believe is that a lot of news is actually blocked in mainstream media in Pakistan from the geopolitical analysts that we've had on the show they speak about the revolts happening in places like baluchista Northwest front Frontier Province there are parts of Pakistan that don't want to be a part of it is that true I'm asking for your objective geopolitical opinion yeah I will sum up in one line sure the whole thing which were talked about Pakistan and the karma and other things a very uh important world leader had told Pakistan if you have snakes in a backyard you can't expect them to bite your neighbor only so this one statement sums up the whole thing what Pakistan has done over the decades the terrorists are going to come back yeah so they are not only going to be directly towards one side so I'll leave it at that one military question India has a very large border it's like so curvy inside out how do you possibly Patrol the entire border are


how do you possibly Patrol the entire border are there like modern satellite systems like I just don't understand how such a large landmass can be completely protected and is it a scientific problem that the military is trying to solve for constantly uh just for the benefit of the audience sure the highest Battlefield on Earth is such English India is fighting there and On The Other Extreme of the spectrum India is also protecting its silent territories that's the main sea level yeah so from Main sea level right up to the highest Battlefield that's on Himalayas in between we have all types of borders made the High Altitude may it be mountains may it be riverine may it be deserts maybe jungles may it be coastal line so we as a military or as a nation are guarding all these borders and with two nuclear neighbors who are not very friendly so the question which you asked there's a mix and match of everything okay there is a electronic uh surveillance means which are available their physical holding


uh surveillance means which are available their physical holding of areas which is definitely there and their physical blocking of areas for a specific period of time coupled with the electronic means of surveillance they can be ground based they can be raised platform based they could be you know from the third dimension so all these coupled together form a very nice Network of Border management is drone Warfare or drone surveillance becoming more and more important in modern day military life uh as far as I understand in the same way that we have Army Navy Air Force we've spoken about cyber and space on the last podcast one thing I didn't touch upon is drones has it come to the Forefront truly see Warfare like any other field is the dynamic and evolving field from Spears and swords to horse cavalry to foot infantry to tanks to guns to helicopters to Aerial warships and you know attack hectares and the evolving evolution is still going on yeah drones are just one part of it okay in the recent


are just one part of it okay in the recent times yes they have gained certain relevance and importance but they're not a standalone system they're part of the overall War fighting network but yes in the last few of the one decade plus they are becoming more and more pronounced their use is becoming more and more lethal and multifaceted offense is the best form of Defense yes that's something I know every military man believes in strongly we talk about cyber attacks happening on us or on civilians Etc I am 110 sure that there is a cyber unit in the military as well you don't need to elaborate on it so if if you think it's inappropriate and pardon me if I've asked you something that's too much where I've crossed the line uh no I'll tell you uh we have a defense cyber agency okay which works under the headquarter ideas under the CDs we have the defense space agency okay which also works under the headquarter ideas and the CDs and they


under the headquarter ideas and the CDs and they also work in conjunction with other assets of the government other agencies who are dealing with the similar topics and subjects non-military agencies and like I was in the Syria secretary at functioning my last one they work very closely they actually notes on real-time basis so it's not that one is working in a different Silo they're very cohesive current and integrated we are functioning between these agencies yeah so they're there and it's an Open Secret I'm not telling you okay anything which is uh classified again one more question because I'm enjoying talking to you so it's not every day that you get a chance to talk to someone like yourself um you know when you talk about these agencies secret Services of India or even the cyber warfare unit of the Indian military I'm sure there is a very well thought out recruitment process which is not going to be the same as recruiting people for the actual military not the Army Navy Air Force that's


actual military not the Army Navy Air Force that's a whole other process because they're human beings are the weapons here it's much more about probably the human mind being the weapon so um my question is really there are some uh kind of situations that happen in the public eye where the military is keeping an eye on it and recruiting the best talent out of India am I right in saying that because that's what the youth hopes for there's a two-way uh Manning of these agencies okay one is uh you go for a tenure you come back but your aptitude and your qualification that's from the regular military if you are you are having the qualification which is required in these agencies and you have the aptitude and you are updated because you've done some course or something then you go for two years three years extendable to five years or whatever time so but these people whose career where does it start like do they go there they start as a proper military professionals you're talking about like Secret


proper military professionals you're talking about like Secret Service no I'm talking about the Cyber and space okay okay and even the secret services there's also in the secret Services also there is there were consists of all the other services okay so person who has the aptitude they're taken on deportation at times they absorb permanently so the various uh you know ways they can work for these agencies or other services without going detail it's it's the best man for the job okay and these are recruited from military colleges but they are recruiting from all over depending on if the chap is serving in the police okay he has the aptitude and talent he's picked up and taken there is found suitable is retained it can be deaf of three years five years ten years come back to his parent card or he can continue in that card so it's nothing bad here okay aim is to pick up the best who can do the best job for the country right I mean he can be picked up from


country right I mean he can be picked up from any service yeah I'm just drawing out a very hypothetical scenario I suppose there is a hackathon you know these coders come together to code something very elaborate would the Indian secret Services actually go to that hackathon keep a track of who's the best coder and then pull them the people who are responsible less certain all people who are responsible for uh you know defense against all these hackings and all they do conduct uh hacker conferences and all okay and if they find someone suitable I'm sure so I won't know the details of it yeah but I'm sure if this step is good and is good the potential uh he must be taken in yeah at the end of the day aim is that his qualities or his potential must be used for the good of the nation you need the muscle of the mind sometimes yes in these situations I'm assuming that it's the sharpest um most capable Minds out of all yes of the available assets resources right and


of all yes of the available assets resources right and I'm sure they would be having procedures and ways and means to select who's very good okay and then taking even depending on their requirements gotcha okay this is the juiciest portion of both the podcast which I have been like looking forward to from the time we met you in that room um I know you can't go into the details of this but on a very surface level just for education purposes what is the defense intelligence agency because you headed it what does that mean for teenagers listening to it what does intelligence mean you know when you say oh intelligence agency Etc like there's a very foggy idea people think of James Bond people think of spies people think of raw how is this different from raw does it work with raw what's happening okay defense intelligence agencies and agency of the defense which collects intelligence what is intelligence intelligence is synthesizing of collaboration of information which is available from various domains okay you have information coming from 10 sources you sift it


you have information coming from 10 sources you sift it together you synthesize it you filter it then there's some whites you task an agency which is probably better in a question that tells you fill up that word you make the picture then there is a picture once it is confirmed intelligence picture then the information which had been gathered is called intelligence once it has got some intelligence weighted it yeah now intelligence is of two types one is red hot intelligence as the civilian would understand that information on which or intelligence which you have to act immediately otherwise it will go bad yesterday the four terrorists are sitting in that house Earth now if you don't act in next 30 minutes then this intelligence is of no use so satellite intelligence is even if there's a little bit of white then you launch and on ground you go and confirm by various means second is the background intelligence you collected this intelligence and all you realize like you would have seen in a lot of movies where the sleeper cells have been identified you've been


where the sleeper cells have been identified you've been terrorists but they are not acted against the agencies wait for the fortune moment probably when all the you know components are together or probably when the big fish which has come in or probably when they're just about to launch some very Sensational attack so they will hit at that time so that is called background intelligence so there are different types of it and the question about functioning with the other agency like I told you all intelligence agencies in the country they work in a very cohesive manner and they meet practically every day every day there's a physical meeting and electronic flow of information is real time between all these agencies okay this is to make the youth aware that things are happening in the right way on the previous podcast you said that the Indian military is always engaged in some form of operation now I am assuming that before you strategize for the operation the step involved is Gathering of intelligence and that's where the defense intelligence agency really comes


intelligence and that's where the defense intelligence agency really comes into play for military-based operations you're Gathering all the information for the boys to actually go out and perform the operation efficiently without a loss of life am I correct in saying this see what I said in the previous uh Hindi podcast was any military which is not in continuous operations or which stays away from oppressions for a very long time they get a little Jarred so when the day of the oppression they may not be up to it so it's always good and Indian army that way is better because we are always in some sort of a operational area after every pistonia now coming to the point about how the operations and how they intelligence if you have to buy a TV what do you do research you search the net you ask a friend who had bought a particular thing how is this TV working you'll say it's good you ask other friend is better now this is intelligence gathering once all this intelligence or the information has come to you then


this intelligence or the information has come to you then you start working out which is the best option okay but then you realize you don't have that type of money then you go for the second best similarly when you're gathering information intelligence you come to the best possible way of carrying out operations but then you realize for this I need these resources if they're there go for it if those resources are not there and you can't wait for them to build up then you probably do and there comes in the leadership there comes in the planning creativity okay we we call it uh you know in the military terms we call it how the leaders plan okay and a good leadership can make a difference between the defeat and Victory okay because same resources when employed in a particular manner may give a x dividend but the same resources when their orchestration is done differently can give you X Plus dividends so all these things and then the pressure logistic I've said the very important component of any operational planning


said the very important component of any operational planning I'm asking this very respectfully um again because this is a question that we've brought up on the podcast a couple of years ago um I think we'd asked the GD bug she's over about this and that time there wasn't enough information about it but whatever had happened with bipin rawat so um has has the military now understood it's just a yes or no question because it is uh accidents happen the court of inquiry has been conducted in this incident also in any other accidents of helicopters or clouds which happen a court of inquiry is a must and once the court of inquiry is conducted what are the outcome whatever the reasons for it and then they are improved upon whether it's a technical uh issue or whether it's a judgmental issue or whatever it is whether issue or not so in all accidents which happen in the Army even if there is a small accident I just got a script on my finger there is


I just got a script on my finger there is a court of inquiry so that it does not get repeated so in this case also I'm sure the quarter inquiry was held and it is in place okay you had worked with him yes I was the deputy chief of Defense staff integrated defense staff and looking after intelligence and of course I have the core Commander when he was the chief I was the bgs in the core headquarter when he was a GOC I was the Brigade Commander he was a solid Commander a lot of combat experience very sharp he will pick up a thing like this give a decision like this and he will stand by his coordinates he had a great vision for future and the perfect Commander which you can look for a military man to the hilt why perfect Commando what I'm saying is he was the man who could guard your work he would give you a job and let you do the job and he is not the one who will keep interfering with you every now and then


will keep interfering with you every now and then he will guide you he will enable you he will give you additional resources he was very good Visionary what is his legacy for the Indian military all great commanders all great leaders labor Legacy where people get you know influenced by them motivated by them and there are a lot of people who are motivated by his way of functioning those who served with him myself included the way he worked in Kashmir the way he worked in various combat areas in North East and other places and as a chief and CDs great man yeah um again it's an honor that I'm getting to talk to such a high ranking military officer just sliding that in that's what I've been feeling throughout these two so every question I'm asking you while it's direct I mean it with a lot of respect and I don't mean to cross any line with you at the cost of making this a little dark because someone who's seen a lot of death and death very up close and


a lot of death and death very up close and I'm sure your appreciation for life in increases a lot you know um especially at the end of your military tenure or so though I've been in combat situation since Captain days Captain major left and currency or Brigade Commander the first death feature unfortunate incident which happened under my command was whenever Brigadier I still remember last night I written about great detail about this incident also because that was the first death under my command where a soldier lost his life in the line of duty after four fighter news the most difficult part of any Commander's duty is to lay the reach on the Mortal domains which are the core Commander I had to perform the duty for on few occasions including palawama after palawama that incident when we killed them in 100 as we lost people we lost many down there and the soldiers so the most difficult job of a commander in his lifetime is to lay the wreath on the Mortal remains before they are


wreath on the Mortal remains before they are sent to the next token to their homes so so it's a it's a very what do I say it's a job you have to do it's the job which you can't say I don't like it's the job where you got to minimize your casualties and Nation wants you to do that job and you have to do it there's no turning back but it is a difficult moment when you lose a man and I have invariably been in the hospital whenever the casualty comes to the hospital so that you know last minute somebody should not falter for some small little thing I will give a decision then and there let go money is not a criteria at all Nothing Stops if you can save a man the doctors in 92 base hospitals in Kashmir Srinagar are the best you can have seen them Reviving almost dying patients so every evening you come back with that feeling that I saved someone and as a commander my biggest responsibility is


someone and as a commander my biggest responsibility is towards my command towards the main command dinosaur oh my God heavy talking to you uh be it all the information or just perspectives want to learn from you more in life and before I let you go at the end of today's episode I have to ask you a little bit about your book which I'm very keen on reading I feel there's a lot of heavy stuff in there what would you like to say about your book to the viewers so this book is a life story from the day I was three years old till application of article 370 and time after that so it's a journey of that small three-year-old child his struggles which actually started at three years of age how he faced the challenges how he failed how he fell down how he got up you know cleaned himself and ran again how he failed again the lesson here is one failure or two failures don't make you a failure that gives you energy to win again and from there


that gives you energy to win again and from there it's about marriage it's about unit life NDA IMA training a lot of anecdotes the marriage life early marriage children birth challenges the wife spot the children's sport then Kashmir 70 book is on Kashmir yeah starting with 1988 Rasta rifles survival you said Army matches on stomach the full chapter on survival skills how Army survives when there are no Russians what are the things we do so if anyone is wanting to join the Army boy or girl it's a first and guide if anyone wants to marry an army boy or army girl it's again a first and guide and it's about challenges from a young three-year-old boy to a young Lieutenant to a left in general the levels of challenges differ challenges remain and how you convert them into opportunities is what are the Crux of this book gambling only to tell the youngsters what they're coming into the you know Army as parents and the name of the book is


Army as parents and the name of the book is just released I'm sure I'll send it to you yes we put it right here in this part of the podcast yeah um I think you know how grateful I am by this point in the show once again sir I salute you thank you for your service and thank you for giving us two incredible episodes I highly recommend listeners go check out a Hindi episode as well so and uh hoping to see you again on the ranveer show thank you thank you thank you that was the episode for today if you enjoyed it make sure you hit that like button share this episode with as many Indians as is possible we roam around in cities where people often refuse to even talk about geopolitics they refuse to talk about aspects related to the Armed Forces people like to turn a blind eye to these conversations and I'm hoping that the podcast begins a change in our country especially considering the times that we're living in more podcasts like this make


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most people think that lighthouses to guide ships came to India maybe during like British time or Portuguese time no this is 1300 years old this the name of this Temple is called Ola kaneswara Temple so these people had found the location found the perfect spot to build a lighthouse in mahabalipuram because it's a seashore and All Ships and boats you know how the lighthouses work they keep rotating the light so they were using lenses for that now what's a TR light whenever you're driving or like you're going to some place you'll always see two Engineers with the tripod and looking through something have you seen this have you ever seen this they're always looking through a lance yeah they want to see if the land is flat or if the land is undulating if the land is like and ancient Indians were using this thousand years ago and that's why the vishwakarma is always shown with your TR light you can see that device with a lens inside it of course they would need


with a lens inside it of course they would need that right of course if they did not have such devices they could not have built these amazing temples part one of this conversation with Praveen Mohan was extremely well received not going to elaborate too much on part two as I promised you in part one is revealed aspects of his life that he doesn't reveal on his own YouTube channel because that's the power of conversations That's The Power of podcasts That's The Power of Studios like the spaces like this that bring out deeper aspects of human beings in this episode there's a section where he's spoken about his time spent with sadhus sages in the Himalayas that was the section that stayed with me the most but this entire episode is as powerful as the last one that's what I promise you so listen to it in its entirety may she follow Tiaras on Spotify for more conversations like this every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world


hours before it's available anywhere else in the world because we're a Spotify exclusive before I let you slip into this one just want to highlight that our meditation app level super mind is now live on the App Store in the Play Store make sure you check it out make sure you download make sure you use and make sure you help your own mind evolve using level super mind this one's another Power packed episode with Praveen Mohan sir enjoy yourselves [Music] I mean Mohan welcome back to TRS for part two of our epic conversation how are you I'm good how are you we left off the last conversation speaking about nagas speaking about ancient Indian technology there is a personal question I have to pitch to you first to begin this particular podcast and then we'll move on to all the other stuff we're supposed to talk about uh the first question is about this one Temple I've heard about in Kerala I believe it's called the padmanabhan temple please correct me from was there supposed to


temple please correct me from was there supposed to be a door with serpents on it and you're not supposed to enter the door it reminds me of the tomb of Tutankhamun which is supposed to hold curses and treasure behind it yes uh have you been to this particular Temple the one in Kerala I've been to the outside of the temple okay yes they had restrictions at that time and there's no filming inside by the way um there now they enter temples in the middle of a big lawsuit why because they have found you know a lot of gold and diamonds and treasure in the walls in the underground vaults of this Temple uh there's one particular Vault called Vault B and they're fighting back and forth in the court saying that it should not be opened it should not be open at all um they've already found I don't know how much money they've sound okay today I think it's worth maybe billions of dollars it could be that much money um found there


dollars it could be that much money um found there um it had already been there so it's a very interesting story again same thing you know um there have been underground walls that historically priests have said we're not supposed to open this nobody's supposed to open this okay this is a this is forbidden by the Gods and we have stories just like the tomb of Tutankhamun right so when they opened it people fainted some people who opened the Vault fainted they saw snakes coming out of the wall and there are it turns out it's not just one chamber when they've they saw one chamber and they said they found a huge box full of treasure and then they found another door behind that and then behind that and then behind that so it just keeps on going and it's all underground yes it's underground I think it's it's going as a slope inside and then there's there's one door they found it's now called Vault B and it has a set of intertwined


Vault B and it has a set of intertwined nagas guarding it okay and then the priests have said no there's no way you can open this right they're actually saying that if you open the door the world will come to an end or something like this okay uh and of course this is now in the courts saying that no you know we some people are saying we want to open it right because the government is saying that all this treasure belongs to the government right these people are saying that they want to open it are usually the villains in these movies but uh who are the people are trying to open it though well the government people who claim right and there is a huge movement now saying that who actually owns the temples right historically it may have been a family it may have been a king who owned the temples right the temples are a property of you know a particular group now you know in the last 50 or 100 years you can see the temples are apart of the


you can see the temples are apart of the state government for example right so um the government definitely wants to open because it can bring them you know Revenue right it brings a lot of money to to them how many billion dollars do you think it is in that one Temple I don't want to give you wrong information but I think it's billions and billions of dollars could you draw the visual at least is it like you know a swimming pool full of gold coins at least that I think at least that with like diamonds yeah like random golden swords yes yes at least that because they keep opening Chambers after Chambers and then we don't know right so we're we're looking at a door with intertwined nagas but there may be more doors behind that right so this may not be the end of the the treasure right who do you think put it there and why I mean obviously you can argue you know traditionally what will people say right so they'll say oh the kings


people say right so they'll say oh the kings were just hoarding their Treasures right they were just stockpiling them right this is a standard argument but no I think as we go deeper like a temple like just like how I explain the temple starts from the base level right it starts from the animals and then to the art and architecture and then erotica you can be stuck you can be stuck if you're you can be stuck in erotica and you cannot see the Gods so this is what they're doing they're first throwing you the money so you'll be stuck in them but as we go deeper there may be more information right well if you find a map or like a blueprint for making a Vimana in the vault think about that right what if you find Advanced Technology to build on a spaceship or something it's possible Right ancient Indian texts are full of this kind of string information so I think maybe something is really valuable right money money right what like what can you do with money right


right what like what can you do with money right what is the use of money if you're not going to build a better future right but I think the money is just a distraction what they're just doing is just the distraction and the nagas gourd the underworld right you know this the nagas are guarding the the pathaloka in all ancient texts so there may be actually some have said that there this is an entrance into the underworld right this is the entrance to patala loka right and we don't know what's there I mean if it can be anybody's guess maybe or maybe it's an empty room maybe it's full of gold and diamonds maybe we have advanced information maybe there are more doors that keep on going right we don't know that but it's a very big deal it's a very very big deal unfortunately you know how this works right something opens up in an ancient site then it gets muddied into the court the the legal stuff and then it'll just be there for a long time


and then it'll just be there for a long time it's done so people lose interest and then eventually the government wins of course uh anyway because you've been to so many other temples are there more secrets like this like this is one example of a door being found and treasure being found what about all the other temples you visited and you visited so many yes each of them have secrets to me the real treasure is not the money to me the real treasure Is Not Gold or diamonds or something like that if you can still see them like for example if you go to chitradurga this is in Karnataka you can go see a kind of like a temple a small Shrine and underneath originally there was a lingam on top but today the lingam is gone okay but what is underneath the lingam there's a huge underground chamber like maybe about eight feet tall under Underground and you can see the structure in many ruined temples okay people didn't just go and build a lingam people


people didn't just go and build a lingam people actually put lots of gold and crystals and diamonds and things like that underneath lingams and all other uh Idols I I suppose you know this when we start to build a house we do something called the bhumi Puja and even at that time you put nine precious tones and you sometimes you put like sheets of gold and silver into them we bury them we can explain this what like fancy terminology like JG Thompson effect right what is that it's it's just a scientific way of saying that oh there are positive particles there are negative particles you know and then gold attracts certain particles it can make you positive okay and this is why you know they put all this gold and and diamonds underneath these idols and this is why they said look don't wear for men if you go to Kerala they'll say don't wear any shirt you're so they won't allow you put out the shirt in temples of Kerala okay with the shirt they won't allow you


Kerala okay with the shirt they won't allow you with a shirt you're supposed to take off your shirt and then enter the temple and then why right because your body has hair and that gets attracted by the gold it's pure JJ Thomson effect if you will and they did a lot of these things in ancient times so underneath every Idol you will find all these Treasures right you will find gold and and diamonds and then um you know Ruby and all that stuff today it may sound like pseudoscience 100 years from now they will really find out what it really means we haven't figured this out this is like somebody got a Nobel prize for finding out that fasting once a month is great for your health somebody got a Nobel Prize for this every single piece of scientific discovery has been termed as pseudoscience at one point before it was discovered yes so it's fine yeah so that's that's what's gonna happen today people are like why did people put a lot of these gold


like why did people put a lot of these gold and diamonds in these temples it just makes no sense right but there was a scientific reason behind that and we still haven't figured that out we don't know that okay so but to me that's not the real treasure that that's not I'm not after that right but can we possibly do with that you know other than just you know like becoming like a super rich guy or something like that the real treasure is the information that we find in Hindu temples and it's shocking because you can go to hoysalisura Temple this is maybe 800 900 years old and you can see a guy using a telescope like this okay archaeologists accept that they're embarrassed to it must admit that they are embarrassed to admit that yeah this is a telescope and this is a 900 year old carving but if you take a history book who invented the telescope it was invented by Galileo and lipochet just 400 years ago so how is a


lipochet just 400 years ago so how is a Hindu carving showing a telescope right 900 years ago right so this is the real treasure that I like to find and I think this changes our perspective right this changes not only for Indians I mean worldwide there's we people need to know that this kind of information exists now this is not only about the telescope if they knew how to make a telescope they knew how to grind glass making a lens is very hard making a lens and to make it magnify something is very hard so what did they do with those lenses now believe it or not the oldest lens we have is three thousand years old the actual lens it's called the Nimrod lens this is in British museum now it's found in the Palace of nimra in Assyrian Empire so the lens was there forever like for 3 000 years people were using lenses if you go to a temple called olakoneswara temple in mahabalipuram we can see


temple in mahabalipuram we can see something fantastic right there is a temple on the highest point near the shore in mahabalipuram and we know that they were using lenses it doesn't have that many gods or anything like that but it's a good mandaba and on top there are some structures on top of the mandaba there's an opening to go up top so what were they doing they were using that mandapa as a lighthouse most people think that lighthouses to guide ships came to India maybe during like British time or Portuguese time no this is 1300 years old this the name of this Temple is called Temple so these people had found the location found the perfect spot to build a lighthouse in mahabalipuram because it's a seashore you know and All Ships and boats and they had to use a lens to you know how the lighthouses work they keep rotating the light so they were using lenses for that for engineering there was there is one God called vishwakarma okay the master architect


one God called vishwakarma okay the master architect is called Maya Surah but if you go to Hindu temples you will always see vishwakarma okay and he's a civil engineer by the way now in one hand you will see him holding a theater light now what's a Dr Light whenever you're driving or like you're going to some place you'll always see two Engineers with the tripod and looking through something have you seen this have you ever seen this they're always looking through a lens yeah they want to see if the land is flat or if the land is undulating if the land is like and ancient Indians were using this thousand years ago and that's why the vishwakarma is always shown with your TR light you can see that device with a lens inside it and of course they would need that right of course if they did not have such devices they could not have built these amazing temples hmm you understand yeah so you can you can see how much they were advanced in


can you can see how much they were advanced in technology you can see that they were using telescopes they were using lighthouses you were you can see that they were using uh TR lights and if there's an ancient text called agastya samita um some say it's 2 000 years old something it's 5 000 years old uh this is agastya samita basically means a compilation of the works of sage agastya in this text he clearly explains how to build a battery like a battery how old do you think this is was at least two thousand years old but it could be 5 000 years old by some accounts okay he clearly says this okay he he mentions this like take this metal take copper and take lead and take copper sulfate and put them all together and then you will get electricity wow there was a term for copper sulfate and like right that means the neck of a peacock if you look at the neck of the peacock it looks perfectly like the color of copper


peacock it looks perfectly like the color of copper sulfate okay it looked kind of like really nice green blue color a lot of people actually think this was the actual neck of the peacock okay because see this is when people will always find fault with the tax because they're saying but he said the neck of the peacock right why are you putting copper sulfate in this if you look at old texts about alchemy Newton does this most people don't know this most people think that Newton is 100 scientist most people think that right what did Newton do right Newton made the Three Laws Newton Quantified gravity right Newton found out that white light is actually made up of different colors of light right that's what is attributed to Newton but recently Newton's notes were released and 90 of the stuff that he wrote is about alchemy and he talks he always writes them in codes he talks about the green lion he's not talking about green lion he's actually talking about a certain element he's talking about a material


about a certain element he's talking about a material okay they always used codes in alchemy they never openly said use copper sulfate because that information can be easily misused right same thing agastya also just gives you the codes but once you know the codes and if you start to put them and I show this in my in my channel I put the certain Metals exactly in a pot and I put sawdust just like he says put he says put sawdust and put copper sulfate and then I actually light up an A bulb and I actually yeah so we can do this we can clearly demonstrate that this kind of knowledge existed thousands of years ago in India right we had an archaeologist who had done a lot of work in the pyramids who also said a battery was found in the pyramids cool what was the battery used to power though this is the question that nobody wants to talk about right this is the question saying that okay very well or maybe not even now maybe


that okay very well or maybe not even now maybe 20 years from now they'll be like okay fine agasia may have invented battery right maybe he knew about electricity but what did he use it for so this is where people will really take a step back right saying that oh okay fine I guess yeah knew about how to build an electric power battery right but what did he use it for nobody wants to talk about that same thing with the permits right if you go inside the pyramids and there is a particular place called uh dandera Temple have you been there no if you go there and you can see this I've seen this in many many um uh shows and stuff there are people holding huge devices with wires coming out that can only be termed as electric bulbs they look like huge electric bulbs okay and they even go into a box um okay so people have reproduced that people have made models of this and they say yeah you know this could be an electric bulb they have found um in


could be an electric bulb they have found um in Baghdad they've found actual Parts with traces of electrolyte in it and they can power things and with you know they made batteries long time ago in Baghdad so such devices actually exist now in pyramids right many so so what is the oldest pyramid you said somebody was talking about the pyramids I have no idea now when we talk about pyramids right you immediately think of Egypt correct I correct me if I'm wrong when we talk about pyramids people immediately think of Egypt okay Egyptians built pyramids and of course Egyptian civilization is very old okay very very old the oldest pyramid um that Egyptians built is about maybe 4 600 years ago uh this is called uh the Jose permit or Sakara pyramid this is the very first pyramid uh that Egyptians built and if you look at Wikipedia saying that or if you Google it saying that what is the oldest pyramid in the world it'll say Sakara Pyramid in Egypt that's not


it'll say Sakara Pyramid in Egypt that's not true that's not true in uttar Pradesh uh if you go into the woods of bareilly you will see a pyramid and this pyramid yeah this the name of this place Israel by the way the Temple of the nagas that's the meaning of the place um this pyramid was built 5 000 years ago uh by drupat this is actually the the father of draupati so this is built during the time of you know Mahabharata and you can see a 5 000 year old parent which is because of a lot of the authors that I've spoken to have figured that the Mahabharata is roughly at about 3000 BC which is five thousand five thousand years ago yes yes go on yeah so we know so we know that I've been to that pyramid by the way I've explored this pyramid and how big is it it's not that big maybe it takes you like 20 minutes to climb up that that's not small that's not small no no it's


that's not small that's not small no no it's not going to be like a small Shrine or something like this it's big it'll take you some time to climb up it's it's it's a big pyramid okay see we don't treasure these things right we haven't made them into archaeological sites these sites are still in Ruins okay but on top of this pyramid you will see a giant lingam did she won giant lingam and this is actually the oldest pyramid in the world so the pyramid s were not quote-unquote kind of invented by Egyptians pyramids were invented by Hindus for some reason right and we don't know this reason if you go to Cambodia and I've been there if you go to Cambodia and this is in the middle of a jungle there is a place called in the middle of the Jungle you see a fantastic step pyramid this is a Hindu pyramid okay archaeologists admit this this is built by Hindus on top of this pyramid once upon a


Hindus on top of this pyramid once upon a time they say there was a huge lingam like a 30 feet tall lingam on top of that pyramid it's gone the most Hindu many of them are destroyed you know the Hindu structures are destroyed now the beauty is some people say that this lingam is made entirely of crystal okay so it's not just a lingam so they were putting a crystal on top of a pyramid you mean like those crystals that Ox colored and you know like that are formed under the Earth that's what you mean yeah yes okay a big crystal stone okay like what we find naturally but but a huge Crystal cylinder on top of a pyramid right so Hindus were building pyramids like this but why did they do that right so it of course you should think about this right so why would they put a giant crystal lingam on top of a pyramid right I I personally have a lot of yogic philosophy answers because yoga is


lot of yogic philosophy answers because yoga is my subject uh again I don't know how similar it is to the truth I don't know if it is the truth but yoga believes that lingams are storages of energy and energy contains information and I know all these words are very vague but this is the limitation of the English language um pyramids was supposed to house the energy that a lingam captures in the yogic philosophy that I have read and I know that because in Bangalore there's a place called The manasa Light Foundation which I keep visiting oh it's a meditation uh Center okay where people actually don't go that much oh uh very interesting place where they've built out an astral travel chamber where astral travel happens much more easily like outer body experiences happen much more easily chamber looks like one pyramid which is regular like a triangle and on top of that there's an inverted pyramid wow and I don't know the exact logic of it like I don't know the exact


exact logic of it like I don't know the exact science but it's something to do with uh astral energies like that kind of a shape stores certain energies much better there's another place in Mansa light Foundation it's a little away it's called I don't want to talk about it but it's it's a part of uh you know the same meditation School uh where they have and a very important ancient Temple we'll talk about it off camera I can't say these things okay uh but they have a massive shiveling a lingam I know I don't know if it's right to call there lingam or shivling though all lingams are shoveling yes they have a massive lingam um built there as well and they don't allow every single visitor to go inside they'll allow you to go inside the temple but not near the shivling no and they say that there's an underground chamber under that lingam as well but you're not allowed to go there because the energy is too powerful yeah but in places like


the energy is too powerful yeah but in places like this exist in India yes yes many many times many times they don't allow you into these places and this is why it's very hard to decode them right because we don't know which one what's true and what's false right look there are lots of things I have found inside temples and I've never told the public because I don't have proof for that you know I it's not on my camera it's I I haven't documented that like you've seen things I of course of course well I've seen many when we go into temples many temples we go into temples and they will say Beyond us you cannot fill right we always face this issue right there there are several stages in this temples and you know in many temples they'll say no you cannot take your camera out Beyond this you can go walk around do you consciously not want to talk about it or do you not want to talk about it because people will say that you're crazy or something they


people will say that you're crazy or something they won't say I'm crazy they'll just say I'm lying do you want to release no I don't okay well someday we'll we'll do it right A lot of times we do this many people think that how did you find a telescope right how did you find a carving of the telescope what we do is we go there as a team and we like we basically live in the temple for like a week okay we document each and every carving so there are many levels and temples right A lot of times we go into tumbles and they'll say no you cannot film past this point right so you cannot talk about this let's say you find a carving of something that doesn't belong there right let's say you find a carving of um what what's a crazy thing that we can think of today let's say we find a carving of a computer um right or let's say you find a carving of a figure putting on headphones how that's


of a figure putting on headphones how that's your natural reaction right your natural reaction is like oh chaku oh really right if I show you the carving only then you may understand or at least you may think oh there is a possibility but if I've seen it right but let's see one day you walked out and you saw a white elephant I've never seen it right but when you come and tell me I'm saying like did you even take a picture like show me your phone right I'm not going to believe that there's like white elephants walking around right I'm not gonna believe you so I have to prove it to you and this also prevents a a lot of things okay but there are certainly lots and lots of hidden information in temples I mean there's no doubt about that what I'm showing you in my channel is just the tip of the iceberg there's like 90 of the stuff that's hidden and I would like to take a more scientific angle to that right so when


take a more scientific angle to that right so when we talk about there's a crystal lingam on top of a pyramid right so people go there and they kind of communicate to the god right the devotees go there and they kind of communicate to the God right they worship the crystal there today we use radio devices right today we have we plug into the electricity right and you tune something or you go in the car or something like this and you're listening to the radio what about the very first radio that people were using I would like to say the minds the actual material radios they were using right they were just using one course one piece of Crystal if you just take one piece of Crystal and some like a small scrap of metal you can basically listen you can you can plug it into your earphones and you can grasp the radio device from anywhere these are called yes these are called radio Crystal sets you can still buy them they've kind of become like these like antique fancy things but


of become like these like antique fancy things but it's still available you can go on Amazon and you can buy radio Crystal sets it's nothing it's just a piece of Crystal okay and some like little pieces of wires and they sometimes they even give you a headphone to plug into this right and you have it's not a real tuner so you have to kind of mess with the piece of metal and you can tune into any station really yes no electricity is needed yes no electricity is needed you can actually do this you can do this today why aren't more people talking about this how do big corporations get paid if you don't pay for electricity why would anybody encourage that who encouraged Nikola Tesla right Nikola Tesla wanted to give electricity and wireless all this stuff for free I think there's a theory like Nikola Tesla figured that using the Earth's electromagnetic field you can power devices yes uh and the moment this got leaked his entire setup was burnt down or something like that


entire setup was burnt down or something like that yes I mean it is a theory but that's what that's what a lot of people yeah he built a tower called Warden Cliff Tower and what he wanted to do was he wanted to basically harness the Earth's energy and deliver it wirelessly to everybody okay but how do you mirror that right if I'm a businessman if I'm JP Morgan funding Tesla then I say how can he make money from that right if everybody is using crystal radio who will pay for it who will buy radio who will buy electricity from you so the question is we have forgotten this technology same thing with most technology right electric cars all the stuff why are we still using like gasoline or diesel right because it's we need to be a part of a system that pays big corporations that's part of the and the big corporations are run by the geopolitical powers of the world of course there's countries this is money at stake yes so it's actually I mean I


at stake yes so it's actually I mean I don't want to use the word Illuminati but it's sort of like the more geopolitical version of that yes yes and that's one truth I've learned through the geopolitical podcast that so much of our life is controlled by other countries that we're not even a part of course and our opinions obviously right that's what we see when we talk about things like YouTube right it's part of that you may not fully agree with me or understand that but we'll we'll come to that but the point I'm making about crystals right so we can use a crystal radio to grasp the radio waves and I can listen to it without you know like no any electricity like I can be happy listening to the radio station and what do you do when you use your phone right and you're talking to your friend and you're not able to hear them properly what would you do doing the set better no you're using your phone let's say you're using your phone you're


your phone let's say you're using your phone you're talking to him go to go to a place that probably has better Network like what would you typically what you do is start like putting your hand like this try to increase the height and find a better location because it's a simple concept right the higher you go the better the reception so the lingam on top of the pyramid could have also been used for communication exactly so the concept that oh somebody's building a huge pyramid higher than all the trees and putting a 30 foot tall cylindrical Crystal are people just going there to communicate to the gods or or they actually communicating with the gods was there science or with each other over really large distances like a tally ancient telegram system of course because there are lingams found all over the world which people refer to as monoliths yes like Western historians called lingams monoliths and there's pyramids all over the world wow and so much of history is destroyed just because of the nature of time


history is destroyed just because of the nature of time and the weather yes wow and this might answer those questions like why are there so many parallels between these cultures which aren't two opposite ends of the Earth yes I mean these are these are just theories but this is this is how you should dive into history I believe you know Thai science engineering into it yes and then ask yourself questions and possibilities yes same thing is asked about the Egyptian pyramids right why did they build the pyramids the the common opinions now are like really changing why would they build a giant pyramid in the middle of nowhere they must have used it for some kind of transmission right we don't know what it is energy radio waves whatever it is right they must have used it for some kind of look let's say the world ends right so so there's a huge natural calamity right and everybody becomes extinct let's say only maybe 500 people survive and they build a civilization slowly start to build a civilization what


a civilization slowly start to build a civilization what will they say looking at all the radio or cell phone towers if let's say 100 cell phone towers somehow survive they're not going to understand the technology right they're going to be like oh this is what our ancestors worshiped they're not going to understand the purpose they're not going to understand the purpose of this right think about that oh look and this is the perspective that I added that I bring to you saying that let's say there's a World War coming out right so everybody like everybody some people are supporting some country some blah blah blah the world is at war with each other right so everybody has nuclear weapons now most of them do so they completely get wiped out like everybody's gone what about people in sentinelese Island what about people there will you destroy saintly Asylum like if you're a major power no right you might oh who cares about them what about the tribes in Amazon right nobody cares about


about the tribes in Amazon right nobody cares about them right they don't even have any technology right so we just leave them but the rest of the entire world is completely destroyed now what will the sentinelese do they have to evolve right they have to become better right eventually let's say they come to our level now they would have learned from their ancestors that oh my god there are helicopters going there are planes going we have seen them with our own eyes we have seen people coming in Big Ships we have seen people talking without any wires right they would have written the sentinelese would have written them in the in their notes but two thousand years later what will their kids study they'll be like oh this is this pure mythology this is you know this is just fun right it's a cycle of Destruction and Rebirth of the human race yeah we're arrogant enough to think that in 2022 yes this is as far as the world has come yes I mean we always have


the world has come yes I mean we always have this arrogance inside us right we think that we are the most dominant species on the planet we like to think that we are the most advanced people on the planet um and we don't know that for sure right there may have and that's what all the ancient Hindu talks are saying right they're saying that oh Krishna like people like the gods would use a weapon and the weapon will destroy an entire city they're talking about nuclear weapons you know today right see 100 years ago people are laughing at this you know there's like people who are laughing at this saying that how do you put one weapon and the entire city gets destroyed until they invented the atom bomb right today we have this right to just try to analyze things a little bit better or a little more openly yes a little bit don't try to dismiss it as absolute truth or absolute falsehood I'm saying that you know somebody will take a weapon you don't have


know somebody will take a weapon you don't have to believe in magic for this okay you can't believe and if you are you can believe in spirituality if you're really spiritual nothing is wrong with that but even without that angle you can be completely scientific right so in Mahabharata somebody takes a weapon right and he taught and he talks to the weapon and he says go and hit this Target and the weapon will go and hit that Target okay now what about today can you talk to Alexa can you talk to your phone can you talk to Siri yes do you think they are actually using switches or like buttons to send weapons to the exact location they're using voice activation systems on a tiny missile yes they're actually doing that they're saying they're not they're not touching anything they're saying you're a drone go and strike this drone on this exact longitude and latitude and it'll go and hit that there we are using Alexa everything like we're saying Alexa turn off the lights and


like we're saying Alexa turn off the lights and Alexa turns off my light today that's the technology I have it doesn't have to even 20 years ago people were very doubtful of that right they could not really think about that oh this guy's talking to a a weapon and that weapon goes and hits that Target it doesn't have to be magic it can be pure science yeah that's actually one of the goals of this podcast to just help people open up and question things question the world that we live in that's fantastic I really love that yeah man uh I feel there's so much to discover have you ever played Age of Empires no okay was this video game we used to have way back where you had to build a civilization and go and like either build yourself up and make money or conquer other civilization oh but it begins with a dark map and way of villages only that part is lit up oh and as you send your people out into the world the rest of the map


people out into the world the rest of the map keeps like lighting up and then you get to see what's in the map wow and that's where the human race is right now we think we know the whole map yes in terms of science yes but science is just stuck in this one Circle and science is also still evolving science is one of the most important tools in the world yes but we're still discovering what life is what the world is what history is yes so evidence is great but let's be patient and let's think about what could have been yes if we survive gotta talk about the end of the world as well because it was an interesting conversation we were having off camera uh before we head into that section of this episode I want to ask you about your experiences again you've been to all these temples you've spent weeks in temples has there ever been a temple or a moment or just a place in general where you felt feel multiple times multiple times okay um I went to a place


times multiple times okay um I went to a place a Hindu temple in polandarua in Sri Lanka it's a small Temple it was built by the cholas um it was almost dark um it was almost our last day in Sri Lanka and we had to come hurry back uh to you know come back to India and it was like maybe six o'clock when we when I entered because we were in a rush the others were covering other parts of the temple and I went into the chamber and I I heard a noise like a very kind of a growl really yeah I thought it was I thought I mean I really thought it was like a tiger or or something inside right because it's dark it's in a remote place if you go to Poland Ottawa um it's a very remote place most people don't go to these sites dude how big are these temples that you're going to because this was a smaller one this particular Temple is small even when you're saying small I think that's


small even when you're saying small I think that's very subjective like I don't know what kind of temples you've seen and uh in my head a temple is as big as most of the temples I've seen in my life which are not that big they're probably like like the biggest temple I would have seen probably be the size of maybe like you know a big mansion or something okay yeah that's it huh then you've not seen big temples yeah you should you should visit big temples okay we have the um this Temple I'm talking about small the largest temple in the world is Angkor Wat in Cambodia and this is also the largest religious structure in the world many people think that what is the largest religious building ever people think maybe it's a church it's a mosque no it's a Hindu temple it's built in Cambodia and it's it's bigger than the entire Vatican City it's bigger than an entire city we were spending weeks there like takes forever to


we were spending weeks there like takes forever to explore this Temple but this Temple I'm talking about it's a relatively it only had like one big chamber and and one thing and they were filled and our crew was filming on on the other side of that and I went inside because they wanted to see inside those and I heard an actual growl okay um it was a growl that I thought that I there was an animal inside that chamber maybe behind the lingam or something like that and I actually just immediately stepped back ran back outside and to my surprise none of them heard it it was just you it was just me um and of course in this way there are two things right one that actually happened to me and the other one is like oh my God you know what happened you know am I nuts and everybody's like what happened why are you looking like I don't like I should we run and they're like no no what there's nothing here like we didn't hear anything


what there's nothing here like we didn't hear anything right so this this type of uh stuff happens once again with this growl what did the local Pandit or priest there's nobody there in this situation in Poland we're looking at an archaeological site and it's a Hindu site but Sri Lanka is almost entirely Buddhist now they consider temples as a ruin there's nothing happening in the temples nobody there's no pundit there there's nobody to take care of the temples so and of course you know we were there late so there's nobody there so there's no explanation for that for example so we all know this right when humans are hungry they become angry there's no actual connection between them so you get some stimulus and then you put some response and some places have a vibe to them and this is why we don't know why we go to these temples right so you can you cannot go and sit in a temple and you can be like oh how do


a temple and you can be like oh how do I kill this guy you're gonna plan that stuff sitting it's impossible actually try it you'll be surprised right it's impossible to come up with negative thoughts inside ancient temples as you you can be talking like bad things outside right you can be thinking bad things outside but as you go into ancient temples go near and near the main chamber you will naturally feel positive okay we don't know how they did that like we I want to find out how they did that okay and when you go and stand in front of the lingamore that giant Vishnu statue in the main chamber your mind is almost completely calm like you're peaceful you may be depressed you may be angry you may have had a fight you know whatever but as you go into a temple you start to become more and more positive this is this happens to everybody I think we should be able to measure this my goal is to actually like have a survey


this my goal is to actually like have a survey of people saying that okay what's your like blood pressure level before you enter the temple what's your level after you come out of the temple or what's your level in the main we can actually measure this I think and we'll get a significant difference we don't know how they did that but these are some of the places where I felt fear one I didn't swear that I heard a growl in that Temple right but none of them heard it have you been to kamakhya Devi temple in guwahati no okay that was a big topic of conversation on yesterday's podcast that we had uh we we did five podcasts with a tantric wow so so many of the things they're saying about uh valve is very parallel with what he was talking about oh that kamakya Temple no I mean he he spoke about a lot of things man but uh he specifically spoke about how uh what do you associate ganpati with foreign uh nothing


what do you associate ganpati with foreign uh nothing just a regular deity do you associate it with anything dark at all there's one uh there's a tantric uh aspect of ganpati Agora ganpati it's called oh he spoke about that okay and he said that every single God has an uh yeah yeah which is which is a dark version yeah uh and it's still the same God but the practices are different and if you mess up those practices those deities get angry there's an anger in this yes he refused to call it dark but he said it's more like a fears version of it yes um there's also an erotic version of ganpati really did you guys talk about this no no no yes really yes there's an erotic version of ganpati nobody knows about this there it's you can only find it in maybe three temples in the whole world you can actually see ganpati with a female figure in an erotic yes people worshiped us for various reasons um again you know


us for various reasons um again you know we don't know see what they would do right think about this but they used it for some reason we don't know why how they used it um if let's say a couple is married and they don't have kids for five years so they'll give them a like five temples to go to and they will make them go to that Temple like every day for a week isn't it is it in India of course yeah for example if you're an odisha and if you if you got married if you didn't have kids for five years you'll say go to konark Temple and spend a week there right the really funny part is that it's absolute Superstition right there's just nonsense right you go to a temple how are you going to make babies right it doesn't make any sense but think about this right I I went to konark Sun temple in 2013 or 12 or something like this I was I was coming from the US and I was spending a


was coming from the US and I was spending a week in konark and then Elora and then went back I took a guy it was a perfect brahmachari okay he's a he's a Promontory and this guy's almost a monk I I took this guy with me after the first day right because we're staying in the same room we're staying in the odisha uh tourist you know hostel or something like that and this guy I knew I knew I know him inside out this guy never talks about women but that guy could not sleep that night all he was talking about was the women because of the carvings the carvings really get to you the the erotica in the in the temples really get to you it amplifies your hidden desires makes you more Primal yeah it makes it depends on who you are if you're suppressing those desires it'll pull out those desires you know if you have a tantric aspect to yourself that you're not showing it'll pull out


yourself that you're not showing it'll pull out that aspect if you're if you have a suppressed sexual desire it'll bring that out if you it it just basically amplifies your energy have you met tantrix on your journey no no no there's just some parts that I I have traveled a lot around right I've traveled to places that I don't want to reveal for example in India of course of course most of the places I traveled were like really remote like hills and mountains and stuff like that's why people are saying like why are you not posting any videos right why does like this guy doesn't post videos for three months I've done this I don't post any videos for three months like I just drop it and nobody can reach me stuff like that okay and we could we can go to places really remote and you can see people who do really weird things okay it's weird for us but not for that these people are called siddhars in South India came up yesterday yeah these


in South India came up yesterday yeah these people were considers these are like kind of superhuman people these are people I said means complete it's not sort of it's a version of saying complete yes like little little Beyond human like all of us are in computer yes yeah just yeah it's a complete human yes they've been Seekers and now they found what they were seeking yes and the quality is that we we notice in them it's very hard right it's very hard because see if if you are really depressed you can get a call from your mom out of the blue if you really need help you may find that your friend is calling you right we don't know how this happens sometimes we know like we're not able to put our finger and say this is exactly why this has happens for example a baby can cry in this room and if the mother is in the next street she can separate milk you can go and ask the mothers this and they will tell you if the baby's cried like far


will tell you if the baby's cried like far away right in the FBI rule book one of the rules for you know people following the person in front of them you know whoever they're following like secretly you're not supposed to look at the back of their neck foreign if you keep looking at the back of their neck they're going to turn around we don't know why right we don't your eyes are not in the back of your neck but if you're sitting there let's say you're sitting in a restaurant and I'm just focusing at the back of your neck you will turn around you'll be like okay somebody's watching me but we don't know how this is happening and we can see this a lot with the sitters we can see this and many times you will also be fooled right because you turned around and you didn't find anybody looking at you because we we are not able to determine what or our true intuitions and what is coming out of our own thoughts and feels yes


coming out of our own thoughts and feels yes we don't yeah and fears and Trauma right if you had trauma then it completely messes up Suddenly you'll think like oh my God you know today something bad is going to happen to me and then at the end of the day nothing happens but that's your trauma that's your depression that's your hormonal cycle that messes with your natural intuition right siddhars or people who have mastered that that's a difference they're able to understand no these are my intuition this is correct and this is all the you know the junk these are my desires have you had any conversations with them yeah yeah and what's that like it's good I used to do pujas with them they used to they used to do rituals they live in like you can call them Caverns like small caves and temples they do midnight rituals um it's really fantastic you can't take your cell phone you can't take any devices you can't take your you can


take any devices you can't take your you can put a watch for example you know these are not they don't want to be seen right and they do everything perfectly they'll be like they'll be like oh we start at 12 o'clock and they'll start the Puja at 12 and if you check it'll start exactly at 12. if you um what the tantric guest said yesterday was that these people are way more advanced than the spiritual leaders that we know of in the public eye today yes uh but they're so Advanced that they don't even want to come out on the problem yes they're hidden and they're doing nothing yes because even the nature of Fame will take away from their progress yes eyeballs will take away from their progress yes it it changes your behavior right it puts a lot of pressure on you right so I mean we know this right we we know the circumstances take a huge impact on you right circumstances will put a huge impact on you if I take a plank right if I take a


if I take a plank right if I take a wooden plaque right let's say this is like three feet wide and like 30 feet long and if I put it on this floor and say ranveer can you walk on this easy right you'll just walk on this what if you put the same plank between two buildings right on top of two buildings that say can you walk on this nothing changed except the circumstance right the plank is the same you're the same but if I put it on top of Two Towers then you'd be like oh no I can't do that so it's better and they're very cautious about this and they've once you reach a particular level you cannot make them climb back what do you mean they live in complete happiness in their places you think they won't assimilate into society again they don't want to come back they don't want to see you let's say you if you say no no I'll take a picture of you they'll just smack you and make you


of you they'll just smack you and make you go back because the life we're living in the material realm is actually the plank between the two buildings it's a little messed up yes the one they're living yes is simple and disciplined yes it's a it's a blissful life you can um you can be really happy and you can be very healthy and you can see they have insane insane physique like it's it's hard to explain how a 70 year old man can climb the mound faster than me yeah this is crazy video I think that the Indian Armed Forces released I believe it was the special force this was high up in the Himalayas it's snowing there's a blizzard and there's this sadhu walking in his orange uh loincloth and he said he's like greeting them and I'm sure this is the Indian Armed Forces you can hear them panting yes okay these are the fittest humans on Earth pretty much yes and they are panting and this guy's like


and they are panting and this guy's like enjoying himself in the same kind of weather yes how do you explain that well like we say he has become a complete human right he's just completely reached the next level of evolution yes this is the quest right this is what all of us want I mean this is the big difference between humans and animals right you can take a child you can just throw him like few blocks and he'll start to build something you can give him a musical instrument he'll start to try to play and make some notes but without any training what humans are trying to become something right they always have and I mean in the last maybe at 500 years our thoughts are always about how to master the outside right how do I make more money or how do I look good or how do I make this person respect me or how to you know how do I live in the society or what car do I have this kind of stuff but that's never been the quest of India


of stuff but that's never been the quest of India that's you know that's not what they really wanted in ancient times the Quest for a man is to master himself is not about mastering the outside right he wanted to master himself that's what it's clearly said in engine tax right so you're born as a child then you live you know this even if you choose a married life the last stages like after a certain time then you become a banaprastha you leave Society yeah you leave Society you you break you become a hustle for a certain time which means you get married you don't have to get married by the way in Hinduism you can go from directly being a brahmachary and then be a vanaprastha but even if you get married you have kids after your duties are over you actually have a life called banaprasta which is which means one out means forest and Presto means exploration would you be open to it in your life that's exactly what I'm doing


it in your life that's exactly what I'm doing now you know other than this right just going outside and this is what they did they spent a large part of their life and this comes before sannyasa this comes right before sannyasa you don't go from being uh you know like a family man to a monk you don't do that so you spend a certain amount of time going around the forest and exploring all the temples and the nature you don't know what you're searching for right so you're just looking around and then you're going to find something that's going to complete yourself right this was the quest it was never about oh my God let me buy like a bigger like let me buy more gold or something like that right so these things are you know very basic yeah I imagine gaining complete mastery over yourself over your senses yes over your thoughts over your emotions or your fears yeah wow and then eventually lead yourself to happiness and peace beyond the happiness and peace that


happiness and peace beyond the happiness and peace that you've ever experienced say that again lead yourself to a place of happiness and peace yes greater than all the happiness and peace you've ever experience yes yes um did you ever feel fear when you were talking to those siddha purushas I was also very young when I started out initially I used to to struggle a lot of different emotions when I did this like I used to be afraid of them sometimes they would just smack you by the way like this beach here look I mean this is the thing that many people get wrong okay many people think that oh the sidders they're like they're always like this no like if you do something wrong they're just gonna set you right what did you do wrong many things I was just see the one of the things and this is really interesting to me because they can read your mind so when I was maybe like I was 16 I think when I first started to go this is a place called javada


first started to go this is a place called javada Malay this is reserve Forest nobody can go okay unless like you cannot go there with all your stuff by the way so this is up in the hills now this is up in the hills yes where there are wild animals not many I've never seen a a lion or a tiger there uh you know sometimes you can they say there are bears foxes uh there's a wild um uh Ox I don't know what it is but uh they will they will only caution you about the what the wild um cow I don't know what nilga and maybe it's Neil guy I don't know um it's in Tamil Nadu so I don't know the English term for this but they say if it's giving birth to a baby don't watch it this is probably like the Indian version of a bison yeah yeah just the Indian bison yeah and like Neil guy I think and they say if it gives birth to a baby don't watch it right because it's


to a baby don't watch it right because it's going to kill you it it will come if you if you put your eyes if you set your eyes when it's giving birth to a baby it'll kill you it'll come find you you can be on top of a tree but I'll just wait for you just come down and kill you because it you know it it thinks you will come and get the baby or something like this I've only seen animals like this I've not seen lions or Tigers there no okay um okay and they read your mind there like so you like you can be like you can be sitting next to me and they be like suddenly he'll be like don't think about that girl it's it's shocking deja vu deja it's true it's true when you're 16 years old you went to when you were 16. yeah I was 16 at the time and they'd be like well you keep thinking about that girl it's useless I've never told these people about this right and they're like


told these people about this right and they're like you were exposed to this when you were 16. I was very young I told you I used to be in the tumbles even when I was eight years old what did your parents do no it's a long story okay oh okay okay okay let's move on yeah it's a long story right but I was exposed to this when I was 16 years old I had always been a temple guy I told you this right when I was young I used to go into into the temples and I used to look at the carvings I told you about the deaf God yeah you remember this but when I went um around this time this and it helped me enormously okay when I uh went and met these people it helped me in a way to understand more about myself and uh change my priorities a little bit and also think about like do I really want to live in remote mountains do you really want that kind of Life many people fancy that many


want that kind of Life many people fancy that many people actually say that oh I'll go to a remote mountain and live my life there but it's very hard unless you become a master of yourself most of the sitters I saw they went there very early very early what do you mean like when they were very young they were like 10 years old when they started to live that that life they knew somebody they went with the guru when they were 10 years old or they somehow landed there definitely before 20 years old there's nobody who went there after 20 years old see even myself right I was 16 years old I came back I did not want that life okay I did not want to be living in a cave for the rest of my life I mean it may be great right maybe these guys are still alive there I think they would be right but it's not for everybody it's not something that um that everybody wants to right you can eventually become that if you if you go


can eventually become that if you if you go through that life right think about I don't know if you know about the the sun scars and you know the phases of life in Hinduism so you start off as a brahmacharya but eventually after your your kind of domestic life ends you are expected to go and then travel to a lot of temples and and stuff and then start to search for your soul and then only some people reach it and they you know and they reach the next level that's the ultimate goal of of Hinduism many people think that you know if you look at an average Christian or a Muslim it's all about family life right it's all about family life have a good family make a lot of money you know make babies you know like be decent to the society but Hinduism is completely different okay Hinduism is not just about the society or something like that it's about mastering yourself it's about reaching Enlightenment that is the ultimate goal of you know


Enlightenment that is the ultimate goal of you know at least ancient Hinduism now we have completely dissociated from that you understand now people are all about like oh did what did you do for the society or what did you do for your family but in ancient Hinduism that was just a small part of your life your life was supposed to be much more rich and meaningful at that time um when you said that you know you're kind of repelled from that place it becomes difficult other than the weather the amenities like a food where you poop things like that what else are the difficulties you basically have to do nothing the whole day like you legitimately mean nothing yes you can you have to do nothing the whole day that can be very very very very hard to do um what will really happen if you do that and this was a very this depends I'm not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing I'm saying that you almost feel like you're an animal at


that you almost feel like you're an animal at one point your mind's quite kind of your thoughts will be like waves right so the first day I go there and of course you know all the you're always thinking about your past right your brain is always thinking about oh what happened yesterday like what happened the day before right and you and you're always thinking about the future oh what am I gonna who am I going to see tomorrow right what am I doing next week do I have to I have to make plans for next week all these thoughts become meaningless when you go to a place like that it you don't have any sense of the past because it makes no sense plus this guy this Guru is going to tell me don't think about this girl I know you right he's going to tell me oh oh yeah don't feel bad about that and he's like don't smile about that it's not going to be of any use to you so he knows that and then there's no future if


he knows that and then there's no future if you're if you're just going to be there right so time kind of sees us there the time stops there so initially your brain is going to have like let's say this is past and this is future your brain is going to do this again and again and again and again but eventually your brain kind of freezes after a long time maybe two and a half months your brain kind of starts to feel like oh there's nothing there's nothing that's important um you've explored South America as well yes did you have any input on that whole 2012 Mayan calendar thing no no no no no no we know this right so uh well the Mind actually comes from Central America in Mexico and Guatemala in that area Okay um but well there was a whenever there's something like this there's usually a huge movement that kind of gathers around us I never was a part of this like everything will be gone in 2012 or something like that I I never identified myself with that and


like that I I never identified myself with that and some people were also saying that about 2020 I think they're they're always coming up with something that in YouTube right in YouTube there's a particular uh genre I can almost say it's a particular category right like music or history it's doomsday Theory and you and once you start watching this all the recommendations will be like the world is going to end soon you better do this you know this is very this is a popular theory in that I I'm I'm not saying that I'm not saying that you know this uh the world will end because of a certain event or something like that but it's a slow burn what will happen is that most people are not aware of the dangers of AI today this is going to be a huge problem especially in India you I mean it's very hard that people I mean I don't even know where to begin explaining that AI is a big part of everybody's life okay and people pretend that oh YouTube is a