but yours is completely different yeah yeah and that's what I actually want to ask you about what is it like like how does your reality change when you take up brahmacharya or when you just abstain like what happens to your own inner world because if you're young it's it's sort of a discipline you're putting yourself through but I'm sure there's outcomes of it yeah what's that like well uh as I told you I feel this was my golden times I still appreciate and miss so much these times brahmacari um help you to really focus uh in what how you say like whatever you want to achieve you will achieve for sure because all your energy is not wasted we waste so much energy in different things as as okay normal life we know if you're okay what all does brahmacharya entail it's it's alcohol drugs yeah okay let me explain you we've we follow four principles and number one is we of course we are vegetarian we want our body full clean uh


we are vegetarian we want our body full clean uh when we bring meat meat already you know like the war meat is something that is not fresh and it's so much pain so much pain is you know like how like the emotions are still even there when you see I mean I know they're very hard to watch these kind of things but when you see the animal it's gonna be killed this animal already knows and the anxiety goes even to to their whole body so it's like we are eating that anxiety we are not eating something fresh the idea is to eat fresh things uh people may say oh but you know you are eating veg you are killing plants but we cannot compare you cannot compare a cow and you just remove uh you know one leg and a tree you pick up some uh Apple from the tree you cannot compare the same thing we we can't it's not the same pain I know plants have pain but they're minimal because it's not a nerve system so we know it's not that


a nerve system so we know it's not that pain so when we said we don't want to intoxicate our body even with meat means like we are fresh fresh from you know anxiety stress we don't want that in our body and also because we practice ahimsa no violence so this is number one vegetarian the second is we don't consume alcohol drugs no coffee no no coffee black tea no nothing that you know like that's the assistant yeah the stimulates so but you're Colombian and you yeah you don't have coffee um I had coffee but now I I drink coffee the coffee you can take coffee the coffee does it affect you know that you've not if I drink coffee I'm gonna be honest with you if I drink coffee I will be like this I will be like that like I cannot drink coffee once I did in Colombia because you know it's very famous over there as soon as you drink I was like that I couldn't sleep the whole night and I drank coffee like at 2PM


whole night and I drank coffee like at 2PM something like that and it was like shaking I said this is not for me I can't yeah so something that you know not a stimulate you so we don't know drugs no alcohol no coffee or whatever that makes Red Bull all these things no we don't consume that um the other is we follow celibacy so we try to maintain that energy you know the sexual energy is very very powerful it's actually the most powerful it it can be the greatest um gratification you have and when you save that you can get you can go to another level spiritually speaking you can really reach another level when you save that so yeah Bremer Charities of course they follow salivasi you know for a man it's obvious how it gets saved yeah what is the case for a woman so if a woman has sex is it like she loses some energy uh no it's mainly for men it's male information but for a woman also if like normally a woman let me


a woman also if like normally a woman let me tell you this but normally a woman who had a lot of sex in her life she looks older she looks older you will see like the age faster than someone who was more the body or just have you know one relationship in her life in their life so it's probably the same case for men also yeah but man is more even more powerful because you know Vitality is there they it's a life-giving yeah is even more strong for men for men it's more more strong but for ladies you can also see the one thing I've noticed is if I'm ever you know we call it nofap it's a theme on the channel uh if I'm ever in a one of those phases my meditations go way deeper way deeper yeah um it does and it breaks if you break it yeah so that's where it it got validated in my head the argument is that science doesn't have any proofs about this and you'll hear a lot of people referencing that without having


hear a lot of people referencing that without having experienced what a celibate life gives you yeah that's why uh brahmachar is especially if you live in the temple this is a main wine a main main one this is them of course vegetarian is their natural but salivasi is very very important for someone who is you know normally they dress in orange or you know ladies sometimes they're dressing white I was dressing in white before so we take very very serious that especially that is there no dating also no in those times I I was not dating at all like nothing in your whole 20s yeah no wow you ever felt like it yeah I'm not gonna lie yeah yeah I was like thinking okay when is my you know blueprints coming or you know I was yeah I'm a woman we it's we want to feel protected but when I was focusing in my practice you know later I understood I don't need that uh I have a rich like you know Krishna is my everything later you understand that when


Krishna is my everything later you understand that when I was more mature but yeah yeah I'm gonna tell like I have to be honest some thoughts came out like I was like dreaming when when well yeah I was like as soon as I saw boys coming I was like no I'm a premature you know I was very very strict very serious yeah uh the fourth one and the fourth one yeah uh we don't play like gambling or things like that this kind of games that make us ambitious or you know Superior than others so we avoid what else is there in that um gambling you know like uh when and you when you do that uh what's your mentality you wanna be the winner you wanna you know your mentality change when you do gambling especially uh someone who does gambling can end up be vicious you call vicious like you know like they cannot stop aggressive no they uh they cannot stop gambling you know like they they just want to win and sometimes you I you're thinking


just want to win and sometimes you I you're thinking of winning you are just losing you're losing people and you are losing your material stuff you know when someone practices brahmacharya or does yoga the way you do has the ability to heal which you've got from your Colombian side um I'm speaking this from expedience for example when I went to my Reiki course for the first time there was senior Reiki practitioners and all their faces were glowing you know it was like it was very attractive because they had that healing energy and probably I was in so much pain at that point that I needed the healing most human beings today 99 of your beings are broken which is why there's so much of a need for therapy and things like that and then there's someone like you who does brahmacharya yoga you're a Healer so I'm sure that's a big part of the reason you got so much attention also from people yeah even for big people like if I tell you the stories I


big people like if I tell you the stories I mean I shouldn't say names because even some people are here in Mumbai but big families they want me to marry the Sun and they live in Indian family yeah and why didn't you I I'm telling you I was very comfortable doing what I I was happy to not have anything I was happy to not own anything I was just happy and these big families they were you will have Mansion here your family can come to London and Mumbai and everything and they we can clean all bring them for you they were saying this kind of things were you tempted I mean who won't be tempted like especially when they said I will clean brindavan I was like really they can clean and they have the power they have the money but I was I said will I really give myself for you know my dreams like you know giving myself in like of course if we are speaking about me doing something for my dreams is good but giving yourself to someone


my dreams is good but giving yourself to someone you don't love just because you want something to be big change no I wasn't like I was more strong I say no and yeah it was difficult it was difficult but um I'm happy I took that decision otherwise I would be like who knows in which house cooking them where I don't know and but I was I was very very strong I remember I was I used to be very very strong in my practice and as I tell you it was the best times in my life but um Krishna himself he have to bring me down because my ego was increasing just because I was proud of I was doing the big change and everything I met many politicians I was speaking in something called War Hindu Congress I can show you videos like I was there speaking in front 8 000 people brindavan let's clip you know I was like with big people so my name was big in the mission I was my name was very big um um do you still


my name was very big um um do you still wish for a partner after this whole journey for a uh do you want to get married yes that happens uh very hard situation happen I have a break down in my spiritual life also like we all have that so um in those times I was very very confused um and I was like is this really the life I want even though I was doing so much practice things outside for mistake of others you started thinking oh this is really what I want so I was means that you are not as strong enough your practice was actually not as strong enough because if it was a strong nothing outside can can disturb you you know it's your relationship with God but in those times I understood I was still fragile and I went to my mother and there all my life changed there I was trying to have a normal life in the U.S I work for a influencer big influencer from Mexico uh she teach me many things in life I'm very grateful um


me many things in life I'm very grateful um I have also many many friends they teach me many things but I then I understood that this was not my path and Krishna was always coming back you know coming coming what do you mean how like you just see a photo somewhere or speaking through people like people were like oh I heard about Krishna like random people and I was like yeah I know about him and things like that you know like um he was always coming Visions I also have visions dreams many many dreams it was coming to my dreams and saying what I I was just dreaming to go to brindavan back to brindavan I was missing that place brindavan is a very very powerful like you can feel the energy in brindavan it's very very different so I was just dreaming and I said you know one point everything disappointed me in in us and I just my mother was there she was a big support she's still now she's she likes the boys she likes you know


now she's she likes the boys she likes you know now she's fine she's still very very powerful in her spiritual process but it's now she's nice you know she can understand me more so but still I was like missing that place missing so much that place so I just I need to go back and on the way back I stopped first in Abu Dhabi in Abu Dhabi uh I teach yoga I was teaching yoga meditation and it was very very beautiful I think uh it was one of the best service I did in a different way serving in another way and I was like actually searching for a job I say I have to my mother was like okay you go again there what are you gonna live in the temple again like you have to do something for yourself and I was working in India I did like little modeling shootings people were calling me for that I did a little bit but I was not taking serious um but this time I was like wondering what I will do what


I was like wondering what I will do what I will do and I saw that as a answer a big answer and it's close to India I wish was in India but in India a Colombian teaching yoga and meditation is you know I think it'll work really well honestly yeah I don't know like here we have the greatest yogis and in fact you will be able to charge a lot more money well maybe I have to explain because you kind of look Indian yeah Daisy and you get to explain to him what Colombia is okay oh okay let's talk about that story you told me about your grandmom which one okay great great that you said which one um I'm talking about the experience she had in South India okay well and and I think you should begin this by giving some background okay can I tell you before what I think happened um in my this is something like I know you like these topics um uh before when I was a little girl I also saw things you know I


a little girl I also saw things you know I see how they were closing the doors all these we call bhutas you know or ghost you know like um or Souls who are lost you know it can be different personalities what do you call it in Spanish uh well there are so many words for that fantasmas [Music] um El Diablo you know there will or things like that like you can call whatever you want or maybe just a Spirits there are also spirits who are lost my mother she used to pray for people and you know sometimes people carry Energies sometimes they are good and bad what do you mean Carrie my mother she used to pray for many many people and many many different people came people who were Satanist you know in the cult of Saturn is so they have very dark energy very they carry their like Devil energy inside them so can we talk a little bit about this yeah because this is a very kind of specific to the West narrative and even I would like to know about it


and even I would like to know about it because you only see these in movies and video games so um we call devil um El Diablo El Diablo very good so um and with the devil they they are very many different demons so some demons are like they're in charge of the how you call last MB jealous you know each difference anger yeah all of them and they have forms and they have energy like you can feel the energy and it's say like it it doesn't say because I I experienced I saw I saw with my eyes so I know it's real um so people were carrying this kind of entities inside them and my mother was kind of doing exorces you saw exorcism yes I saw I saw it it was very it's scary because my mother she was very powerful she was also sweet healing prayers but she how she become like a warrior and she was kind of fighting with these entities inside people so for example it was a girl she was in satanic cult and


was a girl she was in satanic cult and she wanted to go out and they were disturbing her so much I remember so well about it and what's the point of joining a satanic cult they do rituals they do worship to the devil for what for power can be power or whatever whatever they want to achieve like materialistic achievements only do you think do you think it happens in India I I think so I think so I believe um is everywhere in the world it's it's just different names uh but I do know that there are some worshipers of Kali who are like kind of they can use like kind of this energy very very dark energy but um you know I didn't explore that that here at all it's kala Jadu uh energy that's what they call it black magic okay yeah but I think it's the energy is the same yeah I believe so I but yeah for example this girl the satanic girl she was trying to go out from that but she just feel like


to go out from that but she just feel like they were disturbing her every single night and in the soup she just was Finding like she was drinking take eating soup in Spanish we started drinking but in English eating soup and she find hair things like you know like disgusting things it was just like black magic like um she would hallucinate about the no it was actually it was actually things like that and she so she wanted to leave this kind of people and she she knew about my mother my mother was very popular in some time in her life like when we were kids and she knew about my mother and as soon as we saw her immediately we felt the energy you know our skin it was like like a chicken skin and we were like I could feel the energies I got very sensitive especially when my mother when I was with my mother I was very very sensitive I saw I so many like entities I saw many many things we we saw how they throw the doors things like that can


saw how they throw the doors things like that can can you describe with this girl what happened yeah she was um she came and my mother my mother was praying for her my mother said go up because she have a very very dark energy and what my mother didn't take her so much is just she was praying for all these people in her house so later then it is worth disturbing us so this girl came she was praying and of course they started speaking in different language language that you don't even understand and they start shouting with different voices you saw this yes many times many times it's like the movies it's like exercise it's actually this is not fictional this is there for a reason because it's happened is there a movie which is very close to the things you saw growing up exorcisms things like that okay yeah is that is strong yeah is that that is strong it's that's not fictional I don't know people think oh this doesn't these things doesn't happen it happens


this doesn't these things doesn't happen it happens and actually by watching this you are calling this Energies really yes and we enjoy you know we enjoy together scared I used to enjoy but later I understood how these energies was around because you are calling energies when you call when you cut these movies they have so many subliminal message they have names when you repeat that's why mantras are important that's why our words have power wherever you said you are calling that when you say I'm sick I'm sick I'm tired you will be always sick and tired but when you say no I'm strong I'm powerful that you are calling so the same thing when the TV is giving a message this stays in our in your Consciousness and around you so when we watch this kind of movies some men are just kind of stay there have you seen hereditary which one hereditary is these guys about that little girl the family never mind I'm not watching now okay just to be open with


not watching now okay just to be open with you um I have to find the name of the last movie I watched it was so dark it was so dark that inside I I said okay now movies are becoming very strong it was like actually a satanic cult in the whole movie and they were being very open and they were chanting the names of devil so I say this is already in like this is not like Freddy Krueger this is not like you know Jackson no they are not anymore like that they are like super open in this kind of things and I understood and I say if these movies are gonna be like this open I'm not gonna watch that anymore so I decided not to watch it was an English movie no I have to give you the name it's a girl who does yeah it's the same movie I'm talking about the same movie terrible this is this I'm I watch isn't it weird that we were thinking about this yeah I forgot the name but my brother


about this yeah I forgot the name but my brother this place is protected don't worry yeah yeah oh my God as soon as I watch that I say bye I'm not gonna watch these movies anymore because I fell especially with that movie I felt the energy stay with me and I was like no I I need to claim myself yeah I felt it too yeah okay wow I I felt uh I had to wash it off and the thing is that's that's what people don't understand about deeper meditations that deep meditations are like showers yeah it washes off things from you and consciously so my mother was doing all these things she was taking these Davis from people like have you ever spoken to your mother about what it was like interacting with those energies she have to become like a warrior I I was like just watching at her and I was looking and she shouts at them she says like in the name of God you that's why I'm saying the names are very very powerful you know names


the names are very very powerful you know names are names that's why okay maybe I I will connect this like I don't know if this is connecting off but the Maha Mantra the Hare Krishna is chanting names of God what are you bringing to your life you are bringing Peace Love devotion that's why protection protection everything the chanting the speaking is so powerful it's so important that's why this is the process right now we are doing that's why you see so many people standing Hare Krishna even in the streets because they want to share the names and bring positivity around so it's very very powerful so my mother was like invoking the name of God and they say you you are not anymore here you have to go from this party you have to leave her alone and and then sometimes some of the energies were saying in her house and they were disturbing us you felt it as well yeah they were opening our doors they were playing with our toys they were turned turning on the


with our toys they were turned turning on the TV I was like ah this is so annoying but um did you see anything visually you saw things visually yeah are you okay talking about it yeah okay what did you see um I saw many times different times one day we were having holidays in one Farm in Colombia you know vacations we were just family vacations and I saw this big dark um men walking around the pool you know like he was working around the pool and my my mother was trying to pray so hard because we all look like it it was not a human we we all saw him so we all have that open Vision in those times now I don't have you mean in childhood because they say that a child is much pure yeah we are more pure so we get it more uh but in those times I was like it's also what that know what happened in that farm it was like full of all of them so I saw I I opened my eyes and the whole


I saw I I opened my eyes and the whole um ceiling was full of a dark how you could like cloud and they were like entities moving like like that like horrible you know like sometimes you watch these things in movies and people they don't know that these things exist like sometimes it's just like a dark energy is moving humans moving around them you know it was very very dark my sister so uh lady sitting in her bed we were all seeing things that night and we were like oh my God we would just want to go out and then we all end up in my mother's bed and we were like because my mother is very very powerful she doesn't she was not scared at all all these things were coming into your house because she was fighting with such energy yeah even she you she knows she realized that she she shouldn't do that so openly why she stopped just to let you know she stopped after some years she'll stop it and that's one of the reasons I will be very


that's one of the reasons I will be very honest with you because I saw she was amazing she's super powerful but these things doesn't make a kid happy you know that's why I wanted something more Magento like I want a process more relaxed but did these things that you saw ever try to harm you or your siblings they were not harming you we were my mother was very very powerful they were scared of my mother but they were just disturbing like trying to scare if you if you if you've got in you they cannot touch you they cannot do anything but because we were kids we were just scared you know they were just disturbing us but never happened like nothing when you say when you have God and you one way to bring that is meditation and otherwise mantras what else sorry again how do you bring God in you having your respiratory practice you have to I will tell you like you can go to Temple you can learn from them or you can just start absorbing from


from them or you can just start absorbing from different cultures and understand okay this is the practice I want it's just something to connect you with God you can sit down start breathing and start connecting with God do us you know like what I was sometimes I do that I just speak to a girl in my mind like it's so much in me that I'm speaking um God this happened today you know like a friend you a star you understand that you are not alone and this is why people suffer so much from depression and anxiety and they believe they are alone and they are nothing but when you understand we are uh we have a Super Soul inside and we can connect to that you nothing can break you nothing not even living these entities dark entities no like but you have to become a strong spirituality we need a practice for that because you have such a deep understanding of God I want to ask you why you think God created these things because even these things came out of God this


things because even these things came out of God this is a very good question um very very good question because um there are some living like as I I told you before there are so many different entities we have the big demons we have the lost souls we have you know like different energies are there as we can also have incredible energies you know some people call them Angels demigods they they are amazing even super Souls they like we we don't only have this negative energy we also have the the powerful ones so I believe like some people is just um them how you call that like the as you see some people they are very very attracted to Dark Energy like very very attractive like you and me but knowing that way people like to practice black magic okay people like to you know like one of my stories I will tell you later but people enjoy doing black magic and killing someone what do you think will happen with that person it's gonna become that entity so how I started well


gonna become that entity so how I started well it's many stories about it as we know um entities in The Vedas also they have their story in the Bible I can share with you like in the Bible because I believe The Vedas you already have so many talks about it but in the Bible says that God was with this Angel who became very very jealous of him you know and that was not the idea because no we shouldn't feel jealous of God you know we we are all creation of God so he wanted to have that position and that's when he falls from his ego and it becomes a devil and so many others Lucifer yeah Lucifer so all of them fall with this devil and they just wanted to and say God was doing the positive energy so they wanted to do the whole opposite of God that was the dark energy so if we are not powerfully enough to follow some satwick process of you know meditation prayer this kind of energies can overcome to you so some people


of energies can overcome to you so some people they decide to do bad to others killing others raping abuse this is all dark energies this is something like it's over you uh so it's things because we all have something called anartas desires and if we don't control our desires they will overcome us and when they overcome too much it can become very very very pollute polluted inside you I I'm I will give you one example it's a bit tough but I I I think is the best one like for example someone cannot control themselves in sex they are very very open in sex to open they start trying with this girl that girl that girl later they want to go more more more they become very very addicted and later was the thinking it's just sex sex and later with whatever object or whatever living being they want to try because a woman cannot fulf him that person anymore so that person couldn't control his anata that was the desire of sex so you know what I mean like


desire of sex so you know what I mean like we do need some practice in our life practice is you have to put across in your desires do you think the way to look at the Devil and even God in general is that both these energies are inside you and depending on your practices and your belief systems one of them becomes stronger and if your devil energy becomes stronger then you attract the actual devil into your life which is El Diablo or these darker entities yeah this is what I'm calling anarthas anatas the desires so we do need to maybe I have a desire to BM like envious or jealous so how I will control that you know that MB and jealousy can kill or another the person you are jealous so till where you will control that by doing a spiritual practice but increasing this positive side what did your mother say about El Diablo well she always prays she really yeah let's talk about this well um is I find many similarities in the Bible and in


I find many similarities in the Bible and in the bhagavatan is something called apocalypses in the Bible yeah and in the bhagavatan they also explain how a spiritual people in the age of Kali later they have to even hide because they they cannot even do the practice the spiritual practice and the Bible is the same like I find so many similarities because I read both some people will maybe judge about this but um I'm I'm telling my all experience right um so this is the age of Kali so we in in the Bible is the Apple apocalyptic time nothing is happening yet but we already see many things happening like many Industries music um movies everything is like just as we spoke about the same movie it's like so open about the devil the dark you know they are showing like so that means it should be a open religion even now I don't know if you heard like it's now open religion in U.S they have a charge open and everything so now this is going


a charge open and everything so now this is going to become like more like that you know and spiritual people will go down why because we don't like for certain people who commit mistakes in the church they have used abused kids yogis who also took power and abuse for this type of people now the spirituality is getting damaged you know oh these people they say they are spiritual but look what they do but my dear everyone have that is not spirituality is not them they are not this you know they are not cut they were trying to give a message they committed a mistake they fall down but the real spirituality is what is in the scriptures and this is what we're trying to follow so thus uh but nowadays because of all these examples people that doesn't want to go to church especially in the west and here people find like oh going to Temple that's for elders you know I will do when I turn 70. so people they don't see that anymore and I find that a bit sad


that anymore and I find that a bit sad because we do need us I told you we don't need spirituality material life is almost in our is in our daily life when are we gonna go out from this and connect with God this is very very important now that you're saying that it was real chance in that movie it makes me think about the movie again that they're yeah no no I won't actually and I'll tell you why the directors and probably knew what he was doing I mean the creators the writers knew what they were doing of course of and they're putting mantras on such a large scale out the dark Mantra this is what I'm saying that now everything is more open if you watch Sabrina you watch something Sabrina the teenagers in Netflix the one in Netflix this one in Netflix they're also been very very open like I don't want to touch sensitive points but now everyone wants to convert things like they are normal it's okay you know and people in our mentality will be


okay you know and people in our mentality will be okay what before was like no it's not good people will adjust to that like oh it's okay it's normal this is what we call the kalijuka yeah [Music] there's a lot of Indian guys who've just fallen in love with him no there's a lot of love that's like being sent away right now whoever's reached this point of the episode um are there mantras for um you know what page means page is like glow like you have glow okay do you know what I mean I think when you are when you just chant the name of God you already receive automatically like I believe when you are doing something like oh I want to look nice that's not that's that's that's not good because you are not actually doing for you for God when you already pray to Krishna Shiva you know wherever you feel the connection Jesus whatever it is that energy is going to come to you and you will be attractive you know like you will be


you will be attractive you know like you will be naturally attractive when you have that gut Consciousness it's already attractive that is Krishna for you yeah Krishna means the Supreme attractive he's the Supreme attractive so can you imagine he attracts everyone so if we attract Krishna to your heart you will attract everyone uh I want to talk a little bit about your grandmother okay because that's what stayed with me I was actually telling a friend that your story it troubled me a little bit it's actually also I still travel it's something I need to find uh answer how do you even begin where was she born and how did she get these abilities and let's talk a little bit about the abilities also for people who don't know well she was uh she's also from Colombia from bokaramanga where I'm from um she got married with uh Lebanese you know many people from Lebanon they went to South America so that's why when I'm saying we have roots I have some art


I'm saying we have roots I have some art absolutes um she was very very loyal to him she have six kids with him but later he left with another woman and she just said you know I will just provide for my kids and she did she was a hard work woman and she was very very spiritual and she just said in her inside I'm gonna marry God Jesus so she just entered in a big uh how you say like um Bureau stage she was praying she is I have never seen in my life someone prays as much as she in in like never ever since I have memory she's just holding the Bible and praying praying praying and that's why we all got I believe she's the root of all our you know gifts she didn't get from her mother or no she got it when she was in a very hard time when I mean mother were was praying also you know it's normal to be like catholic christian in in South America but she became strict you know she


in South America but she became strict you know she didn't want to marry anymore she just said God is my husband from now on I will just provide for my kids and so she was very very powerful very very very powerful more than your mother my mother developed later more okay but I would say she they're all powerful even my uncle my auntie they are all you know they got that even you yeah but in a different way but yes um we we all wanted that connection with God so much 2016 I work hard uh doing some modeling shootings for Shoppers stop here in Mumbai actually um and I collect some money and I say okay let me try to bring my mother and grandmother here I bought a ticket for them it was the first time I did such something like that because I had some money and I said what should I do with that okay I will do with the the people I I feel grateful for so I did that and I bought them a ticket for Jerusalem so


and I bought them a ticket for Jerusalem so they did a parikrama they're in Jerusalem I learned India and I said okay let me see let me see how they will receive India on there was when my mother and my grandmother came to bring the one after Jerusalem and my grandmother was she's she was old very very old so I don't know if was very good idea for her to do all this drip later we start traveling and something happened in um aleppi we went to South India to aleppi with my mother and grandmother we were in we went to the pool with my mother and my grandmother was lying down in the bed she was not feeling good um and that day she have she she can see things more than anyone else and she's so she she saw a lady coming to her and she had like a flower I don't know how he basket basket yeah basket with flowers and she gave to her but my mother my grandmother was thinking was someone from the hotel you


my grandmother was thinking was someone from the hotel you know because it was so real she was like she thought she she was already the you know the vision of all people is not that amazing but she could see but she was like why you are giving me that when she received it from that day she lose the vision like almost it was 80 of the vision gone and I just didn't understand what happened I was uh now later we tried to bring her to the doctor in Delhi we were like I was trying to go to the doctor I I was like what's going on like why what's happened you know this is supposed to be uh uplift and travel for them and this happened and she said just it just was a very dark energy in that zone and came to her she was she'll receive it but she was like not aware and she went back to Colombia and since there she lose vision now 100 percent and now she just see things like if before she was watching like now


see things like if before she was watching like now it's more crazy now she can see even Angel's beautiful things she can see beautiful lights she can see even everything but sometimes you see all this dark coming to her and she said that it was coming from South India and I just couldn't understand how this happened how you know we were just enjoying ourselves so this is something that I'm telling you like I still can't understand I I messaged you this day I still don't understand how this happened but what do you think it was I'm trying to find answers uh I'm trying it's something that is still I I don't understand because you know if God is with her I I also will ask this question like God is with her why this happened sometimes I think um when someone lose the vision the material eyes closed the spiritual eyes becomes stronger and it's in the hell it is in her last face in the she's very old now and she's like very very sensitive but she's


now and she's like very very sensitive but she's also very powerful but she's very sensitive like she can see things all over so I mean I'm just trying to understand this better could this have been some sort of a blessing instead of like this is what I'm I'm trying to understand if it's a blessing because if you see one side it's like uh the senses is what keep us attached to this world you know we what what their eyes give us we enjoy forms what the nose give us nice smell we want to smell things nice we have we want to taste nice you know try taste we want to touch you know like so much pleasure we want to hear nice things so when we are so much engaged in giving gratification to our senses sometimes can be um Destruction for the spiritual so I was thinking maybe she's you know I I saw like that closing the eyes of material life to open the spiritual eyes but to be honest I don't know either


eyes but to be honest I don't know either I'm still like trying to understand how rich she describe that spirit she says it was a very big like she never experienced one as big as she experienced in in Aleppo like powerful very powerful like he was extremely powerful she said that she never even in South America she never experienced something that powerful so maybe I have to it was male it was female very very very very powerful [Music] um um I don't even know yeah I'm I'm the same like my mother says that um my mother also thinks like she prays and she says that okay maybe maybe it's it's a way to you connect more to God you know but but then who is happy to not see you know like and then nobody's happy so we are trying to understand this situation but it's been years since 2016. the grand mom is mostly at home now yeah she's at home but if you know she's been in so much communion with God like she's been so


so much communion with God like she's been so connected to him um I'm assuming her environment is just positive yeah she prays a lot but sometimes my mother says that uh if she sees something negative because energies are there so she gave importance to that so sometimes they can become bigger you know when you give important again we have the bad and good side which one you are feeding the most it becomes more powerful so sometimes if the energies are there and she my mother said don't focus on that focusing the good ones you have around so this is like a conversations they have that sometimes I'm like you know like they have more experience in that than me do you think it's wrong for me to write so much horror content no I mean if we are doing with a purpose it's okay if you are doing just to you know cause this and send this energies to others no of course not you're sharing your like what we are doing now is sharing so many people have questions about it many people


sharing so many people have questions about it many people feel things and they don't communicate they are afraid oh this is a lie Others May judge some people they are not open and they may judge others who feel it what do you say to people like that who are not open or who judge what can I say to them um well I just find um a bit sad that people thinks we are the only ones in this world like I it's so much energies we are energy you know Prana means energy we are actually full of Prana so this body without that energy is nothing as soon as you see someone die is because something left the body it's nothing no it's not that energy it's not that Soul it's not that a spirit whatever you want to call so you cannot say we are the body we are not the body but is something like we are using for a short time this body is not Eternal this inside us is that Eternal is what we need to fit every day and this is what I'm


need to fit every day and this is what I'm saying we are not thinking with us nothing we are you are not taking this house you are not taking your money you're not taking your mother you are even our most closest one we're gonna take you are going alone and you have to see which path you will direct yourself you're a very beautiful very powerful lady no thank you so much it was very um it was very intense talking to you yeah in a way positive way okay I'm saying not a very positive way and uh have understood the power of mantras a lot more through this particular podcast especially considering your childhood and everything you've experienced and seen the fact that you're this person now says a lot about being closer to the higher power that's what I'll say I want to share last thing about mantras like uh this is a great opportunity for people here to understand the mantras are honestly the way out um as I told you the word is already powerful if you


told you the word is already powerful if you put in your mind a word you will achieve but mantras is something like really connects you mantras is the way to connect if I for example you're in love of a girl and someone from outside mentioned the name of the girl you will look around you know because just the feeling of the name of that girl is gonna Captivate you so does God God will hear the name type for example let's say Hare Krishna is is cultivating that is calling that so God is going to come to you that's the power of the mantras you are calling you are calling and bringing to you so I believe people should experience everyone should experience so many people goes to kirtans um and they say yeah it's fun they are dancing and they're chanting and but they don't really connect the idea is the work is in you to really experience to go inside you and you know chant with your heart that's why we do that because we feel it you have to experience


do that because we feel it you have to experience this is all what I have to say that you really have to experience and you in India you have that you should take advantage of this like it's a powerful India is very powerful energetic speaking is very very powerful place so I believe people should take care more of all these teachings from the great stages the scriptures and connect and thank you Hare Krishna Hare Krishna wow this is an insane episode thank you thank you that was the episode for today and I hope it lived up to the expectations I set up in the intro this was an episode that stayed with me for a very long time Amica Devi's spiritual thought process had an impact on the way I look at spirituality as well and of course the more you learn about Darkness the more you're able to lead yourself into light and that's why I have such a strong Fascination when it comes to dark topics just like this keep in mind a lot of parts of


like this keep in mind a lot of parts of this podcast were cut out to make it more cinematic for the listeners if you want the uncut aspects of the podcast they uploaded on our other YouTube channel it's called TRS Clips where you'll find highlights of every single episode we'll link it below please make sure you check it out is going to be back on PRS until then follow us on Spotify every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world if you have any guest recommendations you could give us podcasts like this firstly really do you secondly if you do let us know in the comment section TRS will be back soon [Music] thank you


performing one more rep even if your life depended on it people get a little bit too scientific they over complicate things they're like oh you know your legs need to be at this angle when you're doing a squat or your calves need to be and it's like just push man just push you know you know it all comes down to how bad you really want it and if you are as desperate for that last repetition as you are to breathe then you'll get it you've trained Hrithik Roshan you've trained John Abraham I'm sure you've trained many more Bollywood stars is there a mathematical formula you follow as an example we'll talk about Riddick now as I recently had him on like 4 800 calories what yeah 4 800 calories because when I first saw him now I was like okay you need to get in shape but you have no muscle on your frame he hasn't been training uh so I really need even though I wanted to diet him down immediately because he's holding so


to diet him down immediately because he's holding so much body fat we had no choice but uh you know go into a mass building phase so he was eating a lot of clean calories there's some podcasts that we create with some personalities where I know that we've packed diamonds into the content this is one of those episodes if you're inclined towards the world of Fitness hypertrophy bodybuilding power lifting General Wellness mental health and holistic health in general Chris gethin is one of the world's biggest Fitness icons and after this one conversation I personally got to know why the entire world of Fitness knows about this man's knowledge but when you get into a deep conversation with him you'll notice the ease with which he's cleared out Concepts in his head by experimenting with his own body we spoke about everything from peer-reviewed scientific studies to biohacking his own body there's a lot of content that I wish for you guys to slip into what I will say is that for more informative conversations like this follow


is that for more informative conversations like this follow us on Spotify where Spotify exclusive which means that every episode is available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world this is one of the thickest episodes of TRS packed full of Science and For Old Times Sake all I want to say is let's science the [ __ ] out of it [Music] Chris Gatton welcome to India and welcome to the runway show welcome back to India Rado yeah it's been a few years but thank you very much for having me on the show been looking forward to this yeah I've been looking forward to talking to you for a very very long time probably since College um I mean when I began lifting weights it was all about Chris gethin which was back in 2010 2011. so you've been in the Indian scene for a while uh how's it feeling being back here feels phenomenal yeah like when I first came here I was surprised how many people knew me from my video series on


how many people knew me from my video series on bodybuild.com because as we were speaking before the show that you know bodybuilding.com was an office in little Boise and we only saw what was happening there in Boise but to come then to other countries such as India and be recognized it was absolutely phenomenal but it's great to be back I love the culture here you know I think culture is lost in a lot of countries especially with social media people don't interact as much but I see people are a little bit more family orientated here in this country and I like that connection what else do you like about this country from a fitness perspective bodybuilding.com is huge here by the way like it's massive it's something that every gyming bro has used at some point in his journey to just learn yeah the one thing that I've noticed that I really enjoy this time around and I don't know if it was because of the lockdowns over the past couple of years but I I go to bed


past couple of years but I I go to bed super early I mean look like a party animal but I'm in bed at 7 30. but I'm down at the beach doing my cardio very early in the morning and I remember when I was here some years ago I would be one of the only people down there now I see so many people at six a.m doing their cardio walking and you know it's just an absolute pleasure to see that many more people are outside being active I don't know if it's because it was taken away from them and now they appreciate it that much more but I certainly do and I I kind of vibe of the electricity of seeing so many people out there being active no matter what age you know and I really like that Vibe yeah I remember back when I started the training in life there wasn't that much of a fitness culture and we had to actually explain things to our parents we had to convince our parents to allow us to take protein shakes we


our parents to allow us to take protein shakes we had to explain to people that weight training doesn't harm your joints things like that things are completely different now where I feel that uh the kids were taking up training now are probably what like two thousands born 2005 ishmon their parents were born in the 70s their parents grew up training and lifting weights themselves so there's this whole new generation that's begun lifting weights especially in India it's super mainstream this wasn't the case earlier yeah and I I think what really happened as well is that you know obviously you know Riddick look great in yeah in uh Krish and then you had so many other actors looking phenomenal and people all wanted to attain some sort of physique to maybe improve their own confidence more energy feel better about themselves and I think it become a little bit more accepted then as well because you know what you know what a lot of people in the entertainment industry are seen as you know they really really are


industry are seen as you know they really really are loyal to them and I think that's been a really really good thing you know it's kind of what similar to what happened in the US like in the 80s and 90s when you had the van dams and the stallones and the Dolph Lundgren's and everybody kind of followed that culture and the gym boom and then a supplement boom and the same sort of thing happened here yeah yeah um you know I think watch Schwarzenegger and Stallone did there it was ritik and John abrahamian early 2000s like they set the tone for How uh the ideal men should look you know uh and and it inspired like one or two generations after that but I want to actually ask you about rithik a bit how did this happen because that's how a lot of Indians have got to know you initially as the person who kind of transformed rithik I remember there was this one photo of him on the front page of Bombay times


photo of him on the front page of Bombay times where he spoke about a transformation and that's why he really spoke about you I can't remember when this was exactly but it was roughly like 2000 2011 11 right yeah yeah so uh when did you start training there's a probably around that time at the end of 2011 because I came earlier in 2011 to launch a book that I'd published and Simon and Schuster the Publishers wanted me to do one of those launches here in India and once I did that our mutual friend Jag Chima gave a copy of that book to Riddick he read the book and he was in a bad way at the time you know it just come out of a major injury with his back his doctors have told him to be bed bound for a couple of months and he had been and then he asked if I would be interested in transforming him because he was about to cancel the or postpone the shooting of Krish because he wasn't able to


shooting of Krish because he wasn't able to get in shape for it but when I gave him a consultation I could see that the guy was definitely serious very intuitive and uh so decided to kind of transform him and you know we'd set up 12 weeks but uh we managed to transform in about nine and a half weeks because his body responded so well and I'm assuming that his body responded well because he's had years of training behind him yeah it's that and uh he's got years of training behind him but he his body responds really really well and he's got such a small frame like the smallest frame I've ever trained you mean like a skeleton yeah skeleton for sure you know very small wrists very small ankles a very small knees joined points so a little bit of muscle on him looks a massive amount of muscle you know so when we got in shape for uh Chris you know he looked his absolute biggest but he was only like 68 kilos yeah the guy's


he was only like 68 kilos yeah the guy's six foot so there wasn't much to him but when we were able to pump up specifically for different scenes carb load reduce the fluid you know he he looked very three-dimensional because of the fullness of his muscle bellies which is genetic as well along with uh very small joints okay correct me if I'm wrong here and I'm I'm literally carrying the chatter that goes on in Indian gyms and carrying it to Chris gethin himself um so what they say is that with uh actors who need to get into shape uh you would assume that these guys are huge Guys these guys are the biggest guys in the gym but the situation in reality is that the camera uh adds a few pounds firstly and secondly if you see those same guys in real life they're probably like if they have a t-shirt on they'll probably even look skinny but the moment the t-shirt is off they look huge and the camera just picks up


off they look huge and the camera just picks up that hugeness as even Huger hugeness is that true well yeah there's a few things to it of course you know they're gonna get the lighting just right now if I'm there on set but Riddick's got a great eye actually so the the lighting that you would usually have in a scene is very different to allow the physique to pop you want more harsh lighting so a lot of people want soft lighting to make you look smoother younger you've got to go the opposite when you're trying to enhance the physique so that's going to be one aspect of it and for every scene for instance with Krish he only looked like that for a few hours and then the next scene where he has to be topless we would leave that another week because then I'd have to carb depleting him all over again and then carb load and then pump up and get rid of the fluid from underneath the skin so it's quite a process


from underneath the skin so it's quite a process to look like that for a few hours he's not going to look like that all year round gotcha why don't we talk about this uh that you spoke about the the uh what'd you say carb carb loading depleting uh and by depletion you mean the fluid in the body well we carved the plates so we don't eat any carbohydrates for several days well maybe as long as a week okay so no oats no rice no potato it's just protein and fibrous carbs so that would be vegetables basically like broccoli lettuce cucumber so you know you do that for a few days to completely get rid of all the pump or the glycogen in the muscle okay and then once you're completely depleted then we fill it up really really hard we load hard and then eat a lot of carbohydrates like he was on about 800 grams of carbohydrates and that's a lot I'd get bodybuilders on that but his body just takes a lot


bodybuilders on that but his body just takes a lot of carbohydrates so when he then did some pump up some exercises the muscles just filled and filled and filled and with that carbohydrates it pulls the fluid from underneath her skin that makes him look even leaner and more ripped so when does this process of the 800 grams of carb loading happen like right before the shoot I like to do it three days before so I will load the hardest three days before then I'll look at the physique and the next day to see how many carbs we could probably push into him the next day and the day following a lot of people do it the other way around they'll carb load the day before but then you could possibly spill over where you look softer the day before if that body doesn't take in the carbohydrates that you think it would like he takes in more carbs than me when it comes to carb loading so everyone's different wow how did you figure this system in life like as in


did you figure this system in life like as in did you customize it for him or is it like a standard system you follow as a coach I followed that as as myself when I competed in drug-free bodybuilding for 10 years 10 years and I I got as high as second in the natural world championships and I was competing every year so I was using myself as a guinea pig because I didn't have any coaches I didn't really I wanted to learn myself how the body would react no one's going to know me myself better than I would you know so a lot of it was through trial and error and then having other clients and trying different protocols on them um I mean I'd love to know that when you're taking on a Bollywood project you have trained other stars other than terrific as well um what is the brief given to you uh in terms of I'm assuming that the director or the art director someone will tell you that listen we want the body to look like this Chris so how do


the body to look like this Chris so how do we go about it there's a lot of Indian coaches watching this where um you know their clients tell them that okay I want a body like rhythmic in this movie or like John in that movie so this is sort of a 101 for them as well and if you can boil it down to the basics that would be even better because this teenager is watching this sure it's based basically I like to learn what the scene is if a scene is like action and that person has to do something powerful explosive maybe it's fighting someone then I want their physique to look bigger stronger more imposing and Fuller bigger so then I know what sort of carb loading process depletion process how much to pump up the physique but let's say if it's a dance or a romantic um video or something like that then I know the physique needs to look a little bit more slender a little bit more symmetrical and balanced less imposing so then we


more symmetrical and balanced less imposing so then we don't push it as hard okay so you keep an end Target of how you want the scene to look like in your mind yes and then everything from the diet to the workout program is altered based on that exactly it's mostly nutrition based okay and mostly yeah from a pump up beforehand base how much you're going to pump up but everything else previous to that is pretty much the same it's just like the last three days Everything Changes um I remember when I was at my peak of training I feel I'm a lot more into yoga right now but I had this whole power lifting phase then I entered like a bit of a let's focus on hypertrophy kind of phase I'd often see that even peer-reviewed studies uh get updated really really often like every two years they figure that this is the new rep range that's ideal for building muscle no this is the new rep range and it keeps kind of changing a little bit like I remember back in the day


a little bit like I remember back in the day uh we've always told to stick between 8 and 16 reps and there are studies now that uh I mean I'm sure you know Andrew huberman yeah so incredible podcast and it's a big podcast recommendation for anyone who's into biology generally um I was listening to a muscle Centric podcast of Andrew huberman now there's a study that says that you can even go up to like 30 reps and you'll still gain hypertrophy yeah I think Brad Schofield put out of that paper yes right uh yeah and that's what I've been doing for many many years I want to ask you that because you spoke about how your exercise program even for different clients is sought of the same so you know if you're comfortable with it I'd love to know um kind of what rep ranges you follow for your uh clients and if you could give like a general kind of breakdown of your bodybuilding plan uh there's a lot of people are going to copy it but


a lot of people are going to copy it but I feel you can never actually copy the trainer because the trainer brings his or her own energy to the uh to the mix but Chris Geffen let us know okay yeah the rep range that I generally work in with my clients are between 10 and 50 repetitions 50 50. wow so I started a training principal many years ago called dtp and I started that out of accident because I'd had so many injuries mostly from racing motocross years ago and I was dealing with so much inflammation that I thought well look I can't stop training I don't want to stop training because it's mentally therapeutic for me uh what if I just start going higher reps and lighter weights so I would brother what is the it stands for dramatic transformation principle gotcha and there was no name to it back then I just started doing it but then more and more people wanted to follow it so then I named it and uh so I would train to Absolute failure


it and uh so I would train to Absolute failure meaning that I couldn't do one more rep even if my life depended on it around 50 repetitions and then as that joint or tendon felt a little bit better the next week I'd increase the weights and go for 40 repetitions and then the next week it'd be 50 40 30 then a week after that if I felt good you know 50 40 30 20 and so on and so forth and then once I got down to my heaviest weights I'd go I'd reverse so I'd do 10 reps and then 20 and then 30 and then 40 and 50 but resting for several minutes between these sets you know and just two little minutes uh yeah maybe two to three minutes you know usually on the lower rep range I would rest for about three minutes on the higher rep range I'd rest for about a minute I could talk about that but we would have to get a little bit of scientific you go for it okay all right so with the high rep range you're


okay all right so with the high rep range you're relying on glycolytic energy carbohydrates glycogen so you've got a pool of them providing that you're eating plenty of carbohydrates they'll get stored any muscle in your liver so you've got plenty resources here so you can shorten the rest periods and keep pushing between these sets it burns you know get a massive lactic acid build up but it creates what's called sarcoplasmic hypotrophy that will really shuttle fluid into the muscle stretch the fascia which is the webbing that prevents the muscle from growing obviously we don't want that we want it to grow and then as you go to the lower rep range now we're relying on ATP Addison triphosphate okay now that can only replenish itself over time so that's why you'd rest for about several minutes that's why you'll get a lot of bodybuilders using creatine because that provides energy to the ATP resources okay so we lengthen that rest period usually at that


okay so we lengthen that rest period usually at that time so with with my clients I'll put them through dtp not all the time we did dtp today with Riddick and that will generally look like this so for shoulder press we did the Arnold press to begin with uh we did 30 reps then 25 reps then 20 then 15 then 10. then I went to the conventional shoulder press and then we went 10 15 20 25 and 30. okay so you know we're targeting both our fast twitch muscle fibers and slow twitch muzzle fibers so as you said you know the Brad schofield's research is now showing that you can build muscle with higher reps but we know that you can build it with lower reps so why leave any stone unturned why not do them all correct me if I'm wrong what's the other kind of hypertrophy other than sarcoplasmic there's one more on myofibular myofibular so that's that's through targeting your fast twitch muscle fibers gotcha so


targeting your fast twitch muscle fibers gotcha so what you're basically saying is uh okay hold on we gotta dial back a little bit to break down the signs here because this is very helpful for me when I used to train so correct me wherever I'm wrong uh is sarcoplasmic hypertrophy like your muscles are built up of fibers and the volume of each of those fibers kind of grows a little bit uh no that's going to be more the fluid within the fibers so you're going to have this sarcoplasmic fluid and that's what expands the fiber and expands through then the fascia that that webbing that prevents the muscle from growing further and further and further so you're able to stretch that a little bit more so with that you're really working on the pump as much as you possibly can so it feels like your skin is splitting that's what you get with high repetitions and short rest periods providing that you're hydrated you know and


periods providing that you're hydrated you know and providing that you've got plenty of uh carbohydrates glycogen in your system and is psychoplasmic hypertrophy the key for the way you look um I'd say it's both it's not one or the other because with my fibular hypotrophy then that is going to expand the fibers more okay so you're working a sarcoplasmic the fluid and the fascia and then you've got the myofibular which has got to be more so the expansion of the fibers as they're being engaged through heavy weights it's kind of like you thinking of muscles like a sort of a pipe yeah uh and so myofibril hypertrophy will increase the volume of the pipe and sarcoplasmic will fill it with fluid yes exactly yeah gotcha and is it character say that sarcoplasmic hypertrophy and hypertrophy for those people who lost their means like growth in the size of your muscles which is basically what most people want uh is it correct to say that


most people want uh is it correct to say that higher reps will help with your sarcoplasmic hypertrophy yes lower abs help with myofibril hypertrophy you got it but when you combine the two they both benefit each other and it's not just 2xing your hypertrophy it's probably like 2.5 or 3x again yeah and I think more than anything it provides provides more longevity to the person because when you're starting off with high repetitions you're now warming up the joints you're putting synovial fluid which is like a lubricant into the joints there isn't very good blood flow to the tendons and ligaments so you're actually warming up of those areas whilst you're working the muscle so it's kind of like a warm-up however it's to failure so it's a very efficient way of working out as well and you know our bodies go through wear and tear we all age and there's only so many clicks of that pen that we get before it stops clicking so we want


that we get before it stops clicking so we want to ensure that we can expand that we improve our longevity without actually getting old man I'm genuinely enjoying this conversation with you so much um let's go deeper into the science a little bit here um all right so I've got to ask you this from my own personal experience and from speaking to a lot of friends um stretching Mobility yoga these things are kind of coming to the Forefront all over the world in the world of health I have noticed that friends of mine who practice specific forms of yoga where it is a little bit strength waste it actually benefits the way their frame looks uh overall like if they combine it with weight training you've you have to kind of do waiting that's the base of it but you do get these slight visual benefits When you also focus on your flexibility also focus on your Mobility let's keep Hrithik Roshan in mind for this okay he's a [ __ ] amazing dancer like in order to


[ __ ] amazing dancer like in order to be that level of a dancer you have to be extremely flexible and I'm sure that he does some flexibility work to maintain that level of flexibility at his age he's about like 45 ish it could imagine uh 48. that's crazy and he's still a fantastic dancer yeah um so I mean I'm sure he's done a lot of flexibility work and I'm sure that adds something to the training program correct me if I'm wrong you know his body the best and I want to know the science of this if there is any uh and even if there's not a peer-reviewed study yet would you believe that higher flexibility and higher Mobility actually changes the shape of your body because I used to see this with guys in my gym as well the ones who didn't do any Mobility work they clearly like really stiff I feel like the end product with their bodies also wasn't as good as the people who actually focused on the mobility and flexibility


people who actually focused on the mobility and flexibility so what do you think so there isn't a right or wrong answer to that so when you're looking at somebody like for instance a Riddick Who Needs To Dance who needs to do uh stunts or he used to do his own stunts a lot of action scenes there needs to be a lot of flexibility and with the amount of injuries that that guy has had over the years he needs to be very flexible so he spends nearly as much time uh with flexibility mobility and muscle activation as he does training every single day like it was probably about 45 minutes of stretching this morning before his lifting session and lifting session was an hour so he he is very he's religious about that now does that change the way that his physique looks I don't know because like I know a lot of bodybuilders and power lifters who don't do any flexibility because they feel it compromises them when they're lifting extremely heavy weights they don't feel like they're


lifting extremely heavy weights they don't feel like they're stuck in a Groove when they're doing a heavy deadlift or a bench press or anything like that because they're too mobile they feel like they need to be fixed into a certain degree is there science behind that uh yeah so there are is some science that shows that if you do any uh like stretching or PNF stretching or anything like that prior to working out it can decrease your strength however you could look at the other side of the coin and go it doesn't matter if my strength has decreased a little bit I just want to look good and feel good and not get injured you know so there's two sides to that kind but if you look at like the top bodybuilders on the Olympia stage today for instance I don't think many of them are really stretching that much there's a couple that I know like there's a guy called um a hunter Labrada who's probably going to be top five in Olympia this year he


to be top five in Olympia this year he stretches religiously before his workouts but he's one of the very very few guys of that size that actually does okay fair enough uh do you think there's more research to be done in this yeah probably for sure yeah I'd like to see a lot more research like I stretch in between every single one of my sets I'll do a little bit of massive muscle activation before my workouts especially on larger muscle groups like legs and it definitely helps me you know I feel that you know we're talking about stretching the Muscle fascia uh through blood flow well if you can stretch the fascia through extreme stretching as well how many application through massage then it can only benefit I believe um you look gorgeous by the way as in like your skin all that dude you look so much younger than like 48 like I don't know if the camera catches it but you look like a soft lens but you look like about like 35


a soft lens but you look like about like 35 34. okay you know it's crazy well I've got um I so I do it like my goal now is not so much like trying to pack on size it is at this moment because I've got a project for next year but my goal now is just longevity and that's what I try to do with my clients what does that mean so increase my health span you know I think as we get a little bit older we get a bit wiser we Face mortality and we realize okay I want to be here longer and it helps if you've got a partner that's like 15 years younger than you as well so okay I got to be around here um so you know I really focus on everything that I do because I know bodybuilding or you know extreme athleticism because I participate in quite a few different sports causes a lot of inflammation it can cause aging even know we look good we've got abs we don't know what's really going on


got abs we don't know what's really going on in the inside and if you're over training you're training really hard it can shorten your lifespan so I focus on everything that I can and same with my clients like with meditation managing stress making sure that the food that you're eating is very clean it's non-inflammatory same with supplements going to bed really early blocking artificial blue lights with blue light blocking glasses grounding myself taking my shoes and socks off and going down to the beach being open with nature you know things like that is very very important and I think there's a lot that we can learn from ancestral wisdom and uh combining it with today's technology and biohacking so that's that's my goal so I have my biological age tested every single year and I've been able to reduce it now for the past seven years so my biological age now is 26. wow when I started it was two years older than my actual chronological age so I've been able to reverse that process every year how


I've been able to reverse that process every year how do you even like measure the biological Aid is it like this there's various ways that you can test it yeah Through Blood and saliva so there's uh one is called like a methylation test then there's another one called uh a glycon age test you have glycans in your body and you have this mitochondria you know which is your energy furnace that provides every cell in your body energy what's the glycan glycan so you have glycans in your body that can dictate your chronological age same and there's another one it's called telomeres so think of like uh telomeres is like you know this this is a the popular analogy think of your shoelace and then over the years sometimes it starts to fray and then get shorter and shorter that's what happens with the telomeres in your body and they use that measurement to dictate your biological age because if that phrase more and more they've been able to see that that is part


more they've been able to see that that is part of the aging process so you're trying to prevent that or possibly reverse that how how do you reverse it like you said that you've been able to do it for six or seven years I'm assuming that sleep is something you're focusing massive and what else that's why I go to bed at 7 30 in the evening and uh don't mingle with many people um but uh so for a couple of hours before bed I'll block out all artificial blue light with red lens uh blue light blocking glasses because you know you think of our ancestors they'd go to bed with the campfire or candlelights and then they'd go to bed now we have screens we have artificial light bulbs that's emitting blue lights we have computer we have phone we have TV Cinema that's keeping us awake that raises our cortisol levels when our melatonin should be released cortisol is high we cannot release melatonin we can't lull ourselves to sleep and sleep has been shown


lull ourselves to sleep and sleep has been shown as like the biggest dictator for longevity you know if we're not recovering we're not performing not only from a physical aspect but from a life aspect I'll make sure that I ground myself every day day so you know I I do wear earthing shoes so they actually Earth with the ground if that makes sense or you know whenever possible take your shoes and socks off because now you know we're exposed to so many emfs satellite signals dirty electricity it's very important that whatever penetrates us actually passes through us so we can absorb the negative eons from the earth so you know like the the fanny pack that I've got there that is uh an EMF blocking fanny pack and I have an EMF blocking phone case and in my hotel room I've got like an emfs pollutant Scrambler because obviously I'm exposed to a lot of EMF in a hotel so uh you know I even have uh the clothing that I'll wear that blocks


have uh the clothing that I'll wear that blocks emfs when I'm on planes and stuff like that because I'm so exposed and whenever possible I'm eating Humane raised organic grass-fed wild caught because the majority of the antibiotics that we consume today is not through Pharmaceuticals it's what the food is eating the antibiotics that the fish are fed you know especially in a factory farmed senses and some of the more extreme biohacks that I've done is like stem cells I've had stem cells I've flown overseas to get stem cells on a couple of occasions now because as we get a little bit older our stem cells decrease and that is what allows our body to recover especially from a physical standpoint as well through connective tissue cartilage hair eye skin how expensive was it it was quite expensive but it was less than half the price that I'd get in the US and it's more efficacious when you go to places like Mexico Panama Colombia because they are allowed to harvest the stem


Colombia because they are allowed to harvest the stem cells over say a two-week period they can't do that by law in somewhere in the U.S who get much more stem cells but much cheaper but it costs twenty thousand dollars for me to have that done you know but I had that done primarily for injuries but it can prevent the onset of Aging as well you know like a tour a snowboarding a year and a half ago and I tore 68 of my tricep off the bone what the [ __ ] yeah so I had to have that reattached the surgery was more painful than uh than the actual uh than me tearing it you know I tore it I knew immediately it'd come off you know a feelings just hang in there but I'd had I've had so many injuries since I was a kid I was like well there's nothing I can do about it and it was on Valentine's Day so I was like well I'm not going to go to the hospital now I


I'm not going to go to the hospital now I booked a seat I booked a table and they had bone marrow within I love bone marrow so I went to the hotel and I got you know the string that you get from the robe and strapped my arm straight and we went out and had dinner and that was okay it was just the next when I had to have surgery because I had to drill through the femur and the humerus to reattach the tendons I was a little bit gnarly so I went and had stem cells after to help with the healing what does it feel like it just hangs off it's just soft and uh I've torn it a couple of times internally since then not in the gym I never I never tear things in the gym it's always outside because I do extreme stuff uh but like I feel it bleeding inside you can actually you it's weird you always look down you're like there should be blood dicks like you could feel it


there should be blood dicks like you could feel it trickling down but it's not there's nothing there because it's bleeding internally it's bizarre like how's that Riddick's gym the other day and the toilet lid was kind of loose and it like almost fell off so I went to grab it and I felt it pulled in it's always things like that it's nothing heroic it's always things like that I'm like jeez yeah I felt my tricep go again yeah okay let's let's talk about the stem cell stuff again yeah we spoke about harvesting stem cells I don't mind if you'd get into the basics of it because as far as I understand uh I'm not sure if stem cells are entirely lab made right like they use um embryo cells yeah yeah embryonic uh so how does that actually work like I'm assuming there's an embryo inside a lady's stomach and they're able to harvest some of the cells from that embryo yeah so there's different ways you can get


embryo yeah so there's different ways you can get stem cells so you can have your own stem cells extracted from like your bone marrow or your body fat body fat isn't really that good um but things I'm not really interested in that because that's only be really as good as my own stem cells are have you done it it's stem cells like extracting it no no no no no don't bother with that I'm assuming that would be really painful yeah I know a few people that I've had it done you usually get it withdrawn from your spine or something what the [ __ ] yeah and it can be quite painful a good friend of mine who was in India with me a few years ago actually Ben Greenfield yeah he had it done there and uh yeah but I I think it's so much better if you can actually go for like the umbilical stem cell so they can extract the stem cells from the umbilical cord of a of a of a baby and you'd go to a places like


of a baby and you'd go to a places like Colombia whatever where they they store the stem cells usually for that family so if that family ever needs stem cell or that baby as an adult needs stem cells they've got a bank there okay quite a few people do this but then they will donate so many of those stem cells to someone like me okay and then in return they'll allow those patients to have their stem cells banked for free okay and that's kind of how it works and uh they can actually Harvest those stem cells so 20 million could turn into 200 million in a lab from from those stem cells it grows like fungus or something I don't know actually how it grows I've never really seen it but uh I I well it's on a petri dish and that's kind of how it grows okay uh so how did they put it inside your body then they inject it into your bloodstream straight away yeah so the last time that I had it done uh was in Mexico the chips a hospital


it done uh was in Mexico the chips a hospital so chips a hospital is one of the leading cancer hospitals uh that that practices like Gerson Therapy and so the surgeons there are very used to injecting like cancerous tumors which are very vascular so they have to be pin Point accurate at injecting these tumors obviously so they have to use uh ultrasound to see exactly where they're injecting so then I you would show them and I did I showed them X-rays and MRIS prior to visiting and told them exactly where I'm feeling the discomfort let's say if it's in my knee shoulder tricep wherever and then when I'm there that's exactly where they'll inject maybe once maybe four times to a certain area maybe into the joint socket maybe to the tendons surrounding and then you cannot train you cannot do any activity or hard activity for about three months after because the stem cells go towards the trauma but let's say if I go to the gym


but let's say if I go to the gym and hit bench press I'm creating more trauma so the stem cells are going to go there so you have to have them stabilized to the certain areas that you're working and that's why it's very good if you go to a reputable place they will put you in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber straight after then you do something that's called pemf which is pulsed electronic magnetic field therapy you'll do a blood transfusion of ozone therapy so all of these things really help detox the body get rid of a lot of senescent cells which are like dead zombie-like cells in your body and uh it'll help stabilize and proliferate those stem cells so they're that much more stabilized in your body what does it feel like after you're done with it painful you know you're stiff because they're putting in Needles that are several inches long into your joints you know and uh so from that you're going to be sore you know


from that you're going to be sore you know you're walking Peg legged for the next couple of days really yeah okay and uh straight I mean transparent question rich people all over the world are doing these things now yeah a lot of a lot of athletes do it so you know I followed the UFC uh I've trained a few a few Fighters and a lot of them get it done a lot of top wrestlers go and like one of the top wrestlers uh was with me when I was getting my stem cells done now a lot of top athletes basketball players uh they all go get them done because you know sometimes they're getting paid hundreds of millions of dollars for a season so they need to continue to play yeah I mean you don't have to name anyone if you don't feel like but I'd love to know what it's like training a UFC athlete because their bodies are put through so much wear and tear that it kind of changes their biology so even if you're training with


of changes their biology so even if you're training with them or you're training them as clients how is it different training their body because it must be crazy different focusing on hypertrophy for body Bollywood Stars oh yeah and then on the other end you're training them for sport specific training here what is it like training them for see what are their bodies like what are the mentalities like and what do they need from a trainer yeah okay so the mentality is usually very very strong but sometimes it can be it can be a little bit too relaxed really uh yeah because you know they could be getting ready for a fight and I go and you know what because of some they have to make weights and they're like well I can lose it all in the last week because that's what they've always done through a lot of dehydration you cannot rehydrate in 24 hours properly uh before a fight unless you're taking IVs and now that's illegal so you can't do an IV of uh fluid now so a lot of it


IV of uh fluid now so a lot of it is kind of prehistoric so when you come in with a new point of view it can be a little bit difficult if that person is just one World Championships without that so everybody's going to be a little bit different but the the perspective is usually I'm not there to improve them as a fighter I'm there to improve their strength and conditioning the fight coach does his job I just improve the strength and conditioning of the athletes when you say strength and conditioning specifically for an MMA fighter it's strength in order to throw a heavier Punch or a kick or to hold down someone when you're grappling yeah it's very explosive okay so all the work has to be explosive so with for instance an actor I'm getting to doing controlled movements okay we count the negative with a fight out you push that resistance as fast as you possibly can because chest is a punching jump punching muscles same as your triceps same as your


muscles same as your triceps same as your shoulders so we have to engage as many muscle fibers as fast as quick and as many as possible so it's very explosive movements and then from a conditioning standpoint have to just work through pushing through lactic acid thresholds where usually you'd stop at 12 reps okay we've got a good pump or whatever it's like okay we're gonna do 30 reps then we're going to drop the weight into another 30 and then another 30 another 30 and then we're going to go for some Sprints you know it's very different it's like pushing the body to its absolute Max so this customization based on the person and their systems but whenever you're training an MMA fighter it's always about training them for power and explosives yes I'm assuming it's the same with other sports as well yeah it's going to be uh you know again you know a more sprinting more Combat Sports you know whereas if you look at something else like long distance running ultra marathon


at something else like long distance running ultra marathon uh Iron Man Triathlon that's very very different again you know that's more okay endurance based now we've got to train a lot going in long and slow you know because sometimes you have to be in the gray zones of recovery or explosiveness so what rep range will you take if you're training someone for a marathon usually very very low funnily enough okay um because like I've done some Ultra marathons myself I've done Iron Man Triathlon and I made the mistake of thinking okay if I do High Reps then that should replicate itself to my run you know because I'll be running for High Reps but I notice that I over trained very very quickly I just was not recovering so then I brought down the volume of my rep range from say 25 30 down to eight to tens and I was able to recover that much faster so I think it's very important that you don't have a crossover of these systems we are training both of them


crossover of these systems we are training both of them all every day you know it's like okay we do one for weight training and one is completely different for endurance when you go into this rep range of like 50 100 does it have hyper trophy benefits oh yeah for sure like you think your muscles will grow bigger no doubt about it 100 it all comes down to the intensity that you're willing to apply like some people could go through that process and go well I didn't build any muscle well the thing is about one percent of the population that train train hard but the 99 are convinced that they train hard let's talk about [ __ ] training hard what does that mean is that the Mind muscle connection angle is it the mentality while training and I'll tell you why I say this um I started playing football like three years back to cope with a breakup and it was the best decision I ever made for myself because it gives you so much mental peace when you're engaged in sport


so much mental peace when you're engaged in sport um I started getting injured like in football you know I just like twist my angle and I realized my body's too rigid but that got me into stretching and yoga and the stretching kind of helped my healing as well I don't know how yeah I've heard that from a few people even my skin my hair all of it like just everything changed uh and I wasn't even doing proper yoga I was doing like sports stretching you know just opening up your hip things like that uh benefited me tremendously then I gradually started getting into a bit of yoga and the rule with yoga is that when you're stretching I especially when you're intense stretches you try not listening to music or podcasts or anything and you need to be just in the stretch that's when I really started seeing the difference in my own flexibility or openness of my body and I forgot that let me apply it to weight training as well and then I started seeing


to weight training as well and then I started seeing benefits there as well I just felt like my muscles were responding better my recovery was better when I was completely engaged in the workout is this what you mean yeah for sure you know you have to well that's one of the parts because you need to have that mind muscle connection where you are focusing and visualize visualizing the anatomy and the physiology of the muscle as you're training it so a lot of the time if I'm training someone I'm especially on their posterior chain such as their rear delts their back their hamstrings people are pretty good at trading their mirror muscles the ones that they see those are the ones that grow so I'm always poking the muscle that that person is trying to train to activate that neuromuscular pathway their senses that go okay I'm I'm working this muscle group so that's very important and then finding failure in the gym is the only place that we'll find success do you train all your clients


that we'll find success do you train all your clients to failure in like everybody okay everybody because that's the only stimuli that's gonna allow the body to change um so for people who don't know what failure means I'm actually going to let Chris explain it go ahead man I'm embarrassed to like explain anything so failure is um you know performing one more rep even if your life depended on it or as if your life depended on it so if you think about a time where you've been maybe under the water and you cannot breathe you cannot get to the surface quick enough you are desperate that's how desperate you need to be for completing that last repetition where it's really uncomfortable and a lot of people stop before then because they're used to more comfort so that's where the one percent are made in training to Absolute failure you know people get a little bit too scientific they over complicate things they're like oh you know your legs need to be at this angle when you're doing a


need to be at this angle when you're doing a squat or your calves need to be and it's like just push man just push you know you know it all comes down to how bad you really want it and if you are as desperate for that last repetition as you are to breathe then you'll get it if you think that you can mess around on your phone and have a chat with other people in the gym and then train [ __ ] hard you're not training hard man you know as soon as you finish that set you should be focused and psyching yourself up for that next set you know you don't have time for distraction that is your work that is where you've got to find that success and it's through the sacrifice yeah but not many people are willing to make that type of sacrifice they've just convinced themselves that they already are yeah we had a Shaolin Warrior Monk on the show as well and uh he spoke about exercise based meditation which basically means


he spoke about exercise based meditation which basically means exactly what you said like you're saying it in a different way but it's exactly what you said that you give your body 15 minutes at least every day at least in his school I look at it as like 45 minutes ish where you're just engaged with your body nothing about your career nothing about your breakups nothing even about family it's just you and your body it's an extremely Primal activity for you to do yeah the outcome is definitely better hypertrophy better strength all that but it's very important for a human being's mind it's kind of like a flush out of everything else other than your body which is what you're supposed to take care of for longevity etc etc but it's definitely a form of meditation that keeps your mental health in check as well in the long term because you're switching off from everything else other than the muscles you're targeting yeah I think it's very important that's why people should meditate you know I meditate


that's why people should meditate you know I meditate towards today riddicks meditating twice a day I've got a meditation instructor while I'm here now in India as well I've got my apps and everything but you know you can't replace that going down to the beach first thing in the morning because we're so used to distraction you know you only go out to eat and you see couples there as soon as one couple has gone to the toilet the other one is on the phone straight away because they're used to that distraction the phone's a drug you know where if you start to meditate like I went on a 10-day vipassana recently no phone no computer can't make eye contact can't read can't speak I was just focused on myself and my own senses instead of the auxiliary senses outside and I find that a lot of people are just so consumed by Distraction that they can't train properly without the destruction of the thoughts in their mind thinking about the breakup or you


in their mind thinking about the breakup or you know work or whatever it may be as opposed to on themselves and that's where the magic happens through that visualization like when I was really serious into training I would visualize the clothes that I was going to wear for leg day how would the steel the iron would feel in my hands based on the temperature of that time of year you know just picture it so all I had to do when I got there was go through the motions because I've done the hard work which is up here the body follows you know people can talk about genetics and all that sort of stuff you know they talk about steroids that's your steroid your head your brain the mindset that you put yourself in and that goes for anything you know whether you're in the military whether you're trying to build a career or whether you're trying to build your physique hmm no bro that's crazy I want know about your vipassana experience we have international listeners as well so if you


experience we have international listeners as well so if you could explain what the basics of vipassana I'm sure a lot of Indian listeners know but uh I wasn't expecting you to say that that you've gone for a 10-day course but you know when someone speaks to you in person uh they do sense this energy from you which is not there online and I've been following you for ages I also feel you're a very different man now yeah for sure uh 100 I'd love to know about what vipassana did to your mind man because I know so many of my friends who need it uh but are not willing to go because of the silence involved the whole concept of not speaking so could you explain the basics and then explain what it did for you as a human being and then maybe even you know what impact it had on your Fitness sure well I did this in the US but uh it was it's basically the uh the teacher Essence here from Mumbai and his uh school is about an hour and


Mumbai and his uh school is about an hour and a half away from me I'm dying to visit there because now I'm considered an old student I can go there for a three-day uh three-day vipassana but you have to start off with a 10 day so the 10 day is basically you have to you have to go through an application process they don't accept anyone and uh and then when accepted you have to give up your phone you give up your any writing material computer anything like that you're not allowed to make eye contact during that time you are only having two small vegetarian meals a day you fast for about 18 and a half hours every day no eye contact no speaking um nothing you are just meditating from 4 30 in the morning until nine o'clock in the evening do you have a couple of breaks um which is good and uh I knew going in that yeah I'm gonna face a version the aversion is I don't want to be here this is boring this is stupid why