earlier that you know the nav Durga actually represent the evolution of a woman you know through the different stages of life and that's how it is related to the world around us you know it's not just some obscure goddess sitting in some different world you can see it happening around you right so you you start with shell putri that's the first form of the Goddess the first day of navratri is dedicated to Shell putari and Shale means Mountain so it is the daughter of the mountain which is Parvati right so Parvati also means the same and shell putri another adjective to define the same thing is the wife of Lordships okay and she was a rebirth of Sati who was actually Lord shiv's wife or earlier and then you know there's a whole episode and then she was reborn as Parvati and she was the daughter of the Mountain King him one okay so that is why she's known as shell putri so you see the goddess here is a child you know she


the goddess here is a child you know she may not be represented as a child but she's clearly described as a daughter right she's the daughter of the mountain when you move to the next stage that's a brahmachary the second days of God is brahmacharini where she's depicted as a mendicant as an ascetic you know so she's this is the next stage of life and Parvati because she was a rebirth of Sati she was born with that burning desire of obtaining Shiva as her husband again you know and as a teenager she started to materialize or manifest that dream right by doing deep penance tapasya and she was a brahmachary in that form so she's that uh you know teenager or a dolly scent who knows what she wants in life and she's working towards it that's the next stage of Life Of Evolution for a for a girl for a for any person rather you know you are in your childhood you are recognized as the son or daughter


your childhood you are recognized as the son or daughter of someone in your teenage or in your you know growing up peers you just start forming some ideas about yourself and you have some AIMS in life you know forming taking shape right the next form of uh the goddess the third day is my chandraganta this is the form of married woman married Parvati who has you know who's sitting on the line and she has she's holding all the weapons of uh goddess Durga right so sometimes she's uh you know sometimes she's ashtabuji I mean she has eight arms or four arms or whatever she's carrying the arms the weapons uh of the different gods so she is the accomplished woman you know who's this is the next stage of her life you know where she's matured into a woman who's into a uh successful marriage right she's happy and the next form is of makushmanda again very similar depiction but there's one very beautiful change in the things that she holds besides the weapons


change in the things that she holds besides the weapons she's also holding a pot of honey okay so honey or you know a kalash has uh it represents a womb in in Hinduism you know it represents the Garba so she's moving to the next stage of life which is motherhood and the next form is of skandamata skanda is so mother of Khan she's literally the mother of God you know so that is the first time the goddess is depicted as a mother karthikeya is the God of War yes yes Karthik is the god of war and he's the son of Shivan Parvati and in this depiction you know it's very beautiful she's still sitting on a lion with a baby Scandal on her lap but she does not have any arms as in no weapons she does not hold any weapons in her arms so it shows the nurturing aspect you know she's graduated from that level of being an independent woman to a you know married woman with certain responsibilities now


a you know married woman with certain responsibilities now her focus is her child which is what happens right as soon as a kid is born a mother's attention the child is the mother's world you know for at least couple of years but if we assume that that is the end of it that's you know we're mistaken because the next form takes her into the most popular form of the goddess of Durga the sixth form is that's the name of goddess Durga so you know the sixth form being katyayani you'll see that Durga Puja pandals you know they start giving a glimpse of the Devi from the sixth day onwards right so the sixth form is and she is achieving you know a magnificent feat there you know so her life does not end after becoming a mother even after that she's continuing her career or she's continuing her aspirations and she's doing something which the gods couldn't do and she's killing mahishasur right who had that Boon that


killing mahishasur right who had that Boon that he would not be killed by any male of any species so goddess Durga was created by the combined energies of all the gods you know to achieve that particular feed so that is a form of katyayini and from Kali you know which is you know the most scary form of the Goddess probably for a lot of people and people don't understand there is a reason to it you know she is so scary because she's supposed to scare the Daylights out of the Demons you know in that same battle with mahisha so you know there are other demons involved this Chand and moon there's and goddess kalis created from Durga you know to deal with certain demons and Kali is you know shown Standing On Top of Shiva one of a feet is on Shiva so uh you know it's there's different stories to explain that but we'll get into that later you know when we talk about other manifestations of Kali but Kali


we talk about other manifestations of Kali but Kali is one of the most fascinating uh aspects and it shows goddess as an independent woman where you know the woman is on top right and she is in control and from Kali after the goddess has achieved all these you know accolades and she's been she's done whatever was required of her and whatever she probably wanted to do herself you know she attains the form of Maha gauri so she before that she was known as shell putri she was brahmacharini you know she was kandamata there's different relations that are defining her but now she gauri has become Mahan you know she has gained importance she has gained recognition in the world you know and she's become Maha gauri and then the next form is of siddhi datri which is very close to Lakshmi the form of Lakshmi where you know it's in all the forms of the Goddess wherever there's a progression you see the last form


wherever there's a progression you see the last form is of Lakshmi so that probably shows that you know whatever The Strife in your life or whatever challenges you're dealing with the ultimate team is for that self-actualization stage you know where you're calm and quiet and peaceful and you have everything going right for you and my city is actually depicted being worshiped by the gods the demons uh the rishis the manners so everybody goes down before her so I I find it very beautiful you know and I I think it kind of resonates with what we see in the society around us you know women are performing so many different functions they take care of home they take care of their work and a lot of women sacrifice their career you know for raising children or whatever but these goddesses teachers that life may need not end there you know you can pursue your dreams you can actually become someone that you were never before right and yourself you know uh you know get self-actualized and


you know uh you know get self-actualized and Achieve something for yourself beyond the descriptions that the relations put you into you're not a daughter anymore you're not a wife anymore you're not a mother anymore you are you right so that's the beauty of the navidurga um so many tangents to unpack and at the same time I'm trying to keep this is a very crisp fast-paced episode um okay let's begin with scand the child sure when we say that two Gods had a child is it a way of actually saying that that energy that the child represents and let's even put ganpati into this conversation because even ganpati was the younger brother of skunt of Karthik right do they both have elements from both the parents is it a way of saying it has some of Shiva and some parathi and if you worship you're getting both the blessings yes indeed indeed in fact you know it's beautiful if you realize that you know Scandal of course you know was


that you know Scandal of course you know was created by specif for a specific purpose you know there was a demon called tarkasur and after sati's death you know sati's Evolution um Shiva was completely you know in a virakia mood you know and he was not bothered about what is happening in the world and Tarka saw the demon he realized that this was probably the golden opportunity because all of these asuras the demons you know in the stories they try to get the Boon of immortality and I call it the Boon of conditional immortality that they get ultimately because Brahma says everybody who's born has to die you know you cannot be immortal so if you have a specific wish you tell me that and all of these guys you know they always find some loophole to exploit it and prolong their life as much as possible so as mahisha said that I should be killed only by a uh a woman or rather I should not be killed by the male


or rather I should not be killed by the male of any species because he considered women with a weaker sex right so Raven you know for example say that I should not be killed by any of the Divine species because he considered humans were very weak or you know he run next shop uh you know he said that I should not be killed in day or night etc etc you know there's a very complicated Boon that he uh arrived at but God appears as narasimha and you know he took care of all the conditions of the Moon and then killed him so so tarkasur being you know the over smart uh you know species that they were you know he said that I should be killed only by ID son of Shiva and he knew Shiva was in an ascetic mode right now after and he was not married anymore you know Sati was gone so that was the very reason for creation of karthikey you know where Parvati once she succeeded in pleasing uh Shiva through


once she succeeded in pleasing uh Shiva through her tapasya and you know Shiva realized that this was Sati reborn and that's when you know Karthik was created for the death of tarkasur for ganpati if you see you know for Ganesh uh in a beautiful way it's again an amalgamation of Shivan Shakti but even though ganpati Ganesh was created by Parvati herself you know it was only Parvati who created it she created a doll out of the sandalwood Pace Etc whatever she was uh you used to apply on her body right and she created a child out of it and then she you know uh basically make it come alive and she asked the child to guard her Chambers and there's a whole story to it and you know when Shiva comes there and he relies he sees this unknown kid stranger and blocking the way to his own home he's angry right and then there's a fight that happens and that child is he doesn't know anyone else


and that child is he doesn't know anyone else right for him it's only Parvati who's uh you know he knows only Parvati he doesn't know anyone else in the world so he the child is so strong he fights with the Deva Army he defeats karthikey he defeats uh you know so many other Devas and actually I mean it's she was forced to kill the child because the child is actually creating a Mayhem for the Devas for the ganas and till then sriva doesn't really know he he realizes you know that you know this is going to land him in a soup you know with his wife but for the sake of maintaining you know the entire uh the morale of ganas of Devas and to show them that you know he's the boss you know he probably has to take a step and he beheads the child now Parvati is livid you know and she summons these matricas the fierce goddesses whom start creating Terror right and then the gods again


start creating Terror right and then the gods again have to go and pray to her and you know beg for forgiveness and then pavathi says I'll be uh you know I'll forgive this act only if my child is revived again and that's when you know Shiva asks for another try another uh head to be joined to the body and he does it you know there's another reason for why it's an elephant head Etc the moment the elephant head is joined the child comes alive and Shiva blesses him to be the first the gun ish the lord of the ganas so Lord of his own forces so here you see the body was created by Parvati but the head was joined by Shiva so in an indirect way Ganesh again is uh combining the energies of Shiva and Parvati um what do Ganesha karthika represent like how do you actually encapsulate the two energies of the parents in these two people yeah yes it's not very easy to say about karthikey but he is the


easy to say about karthikey but he is the senapati you know he is the commander of the Deva forces so he probably represents you know the alertness that you need to be you know aware of the Demonic forces around you probably this this whole calm Warrior yes probably probably but he is the one who uh you know tells us to be alert you know all the time and there's so many times you know when you can slip you know it's very easy to slip in this path of spirituality of meditation you know your mind your monkey mind keeps jumping you know and probably karthikey or skand or murugan uh as he's known you know he represents that steadfastness you know of being a fighter in that you know uh Journey you know you have to be alert you can't uh you know lose your focus and Ganesh is you know he's he's chubby he's cute and he's Ganesh is actually also uh said to be the guardian of the muladhar chakra yeah


be the guardian of the muladhar chakra yeah which is the lowest Tucker the first chakra where the Kundalini is coiled you know it's related to just having stability of your mind yes as in avoiding overthinking being able to catch your own minds yes so together I think they are responsible and Ganesh is uh since that time that you know Shiva made him ganeshan you know so he was the person he was the god he was the uh energy that needs to be placated first before going on to worshiping any other God so he is the god that's why he's called the Lord of Beginnings you know he's a lot of auspiciousness so between the two they capture the requirements of and advancing in the spiritual journey yeah um maybe you know the spiritual way of looking at Ganesh is that because it's related to the first chakra When you pray to him first you stabilize your own mind before heading into other forms of prayer or other kinds of meditations and this


of prayer or other kinds of meditations and this is something we actually use in meditation practices right we'll often first stabilize the lowest chakra yes especially if it's a difficult meditation to go forth with yes um but anyway this podcast is about devima so uh it's TRS and of course we're gonna make it about Kalima and the manikas I think you called it no no you you said some Terror bringing babies yes okay so see matricas you know there's some beautiful depictions if you are into uh you know no things like got or you know a lot of the Rings or it is a larger than live depictions you know in the purans and you know there are battle scenes that are described with these women warriors you know they are so Fierce and they are so strong that the Asus who know who overconfident actually they think oh we'll capture this woman it's just a woman right that's that's their attitude which is very clear in the in the qurans and these


very clear in the in the qurans and these so-called mere women they teach them a lesson they'll never forget okay it's so beautiful you know to read it and the matricas are the energies of seven gods they're subta matricas you know the seven gods uh whose energy are known as matricas and they're depicted in various temples across the country and you know so so there is vaishnavi so Lakshmi we know is the peaceful form right vaishnavi is the fierce form of vishnu's energy so there's vaishnavi there's indrani there's komari uh skuns uh counterpart you know Karthik is counterpart who's actually also called devasena you know so so there's energies like that there's nothing he you know there's uh uh of course Kali and there's you know different manifestations of the goddess and very interestingly I'm just reminded of this that you know there's an Indus Valley seal which shows is a beautiful seal beautiful seal and you know in this


beautiful seal beautiful seal and you know in this Valley we haven't been able to decipher the language right so it's it's a lot of guess work as to what the seals could represent some of them are very easy to understand of course because there's some animals that are depicted etc etc but you still can't read the caption but there's some seals that actually show some depictions which could relate to some quranic stories you know if you have that background you can analyze it and there's an Indus Valley seal which shows a man with a bull Boeing to a woman who's standing in between a tree okay and there are seven other women below so quite possibly the cult of the saptamatrikas or the belief in the mother goddess and the matricas was prevalent since very old times it's very difficult to say whether it's actually the case because we haven't been able to understand the language or the script rather but it's quite possible you know the seven goddesses probably the seven women and


know the seven goddesses probably the seven women and there is a goddess probably because the guy is bowing to her and there's a bull with him so it could be representing Shiva and Shakti and shivayana inferior form where he's going to Shakti and the saptamatrika standing it could actually be related to this very incident you know where Shiva is actually asking for forgiveness that I'm sorry you know I didn't know how important the child was to you etc etc so there are depictions historical depictions of the seven matricas and then there's the dash mahavidyas so as I said you know these are energies of the different gods is a very fascinating concept where the women they do not depend on their spouses they are actually shown to be superior than their spouses and the names are completely different they're all manifestations of goddess Kali so Kali as I said you know we'll come back to it later and now is the time to actually Deep dive into it and Kali


time to actually Deep dive into it and Kali is since we're talking about you know space time the material world energy so where does Kali fit in Kali is a form of energy right but again interestingly going back to Space and Science you know you see this entire universe that we have all the stars galaxies planets Etc that we see that we are able to see that's just about six or seven percent of the entire universe these are calculations by scientists I don't know how they arrived at it but that's the fact you know that's what they say that these visible World in our universe is just about six or seven percent okay about um you know within it again you know there's some aspect called dark matter right and then there is something called dark energy so the dark matter is binding things together and the dark energy is actually pulling things away and this energy component is actually about 68 percent of the universe of our universe odd you know say about 37 70 if you uh you know


know say about 37 70 if you uh you know it's aggregate roughly you know to make it easier so about 30 percent is matter and 70 is energy and out of 30 percent of matter also only six to seven percent is visible matter rest is dark matter and out of this energy the rest of it you know about 68 percent this is dark energy so that is probably Kali you know she is the she is the force of time she's the one that's pulling things apart you know and the manifestations of dash mahavidya of Kali they are again very beautifully related to all these concepts of space and time so the first one of course is Kali Kali is the dark energy of the Universe She is the uh element of time again you know because now here all the elements that we talked about in Trinity we'll find them reflected here in the dash mahavidyas so Kali is time like Shiva was time and from Kali emanates Tara and Tara again has a very uh beautiful um significance she


again has a very uh beautiful um significance she is the Primal word you know we say that you know the creation started with word you know when God said om or omkar that was the first sound and that's how creation started but what it means is it's the Primal vibration you know when things are just about to happen you know that is Tara and interestingly Tara is Tara has a very strong Buddhist uh really uh you know uh relationship uh I'm not I don't want to go on a tangent but you know just to highlight that Tara there is there's 21 different taras you know that are mentioned in the um Buddhism and uh of course there's different [Music] um uh significance of each of the colors that the taras represent and interestingly in one of the tantras it's a it's called the rudra yamal Tantra there's a story of brahmarishi vashisht going to the Tibet area to learn the worship of the goddess through the vamma you know so in


the goddess through the vamma you know so in that story vashisht has been trying for thousands of years to please the goddess okay and some stories mentioned it was in the uh vicinity of the kamakhya temple in Assam uh some mentioned that he was close to the ocean but you know in both the stories both the versions for thousands of years he's trying but he's unable to please the goddess and then the goddess he he utters a curse that you know nobody will be worshiping this place so kamakhya Temple was actually under thick vegetation for a really long time and it was rediscovered later and goddess appears and she says that you know why are you cursing you know the the thief stun you know it's of no use your method is wrong you should go to mahachanderia and learn this method from the Buddha swarup who's there so I'm not sure whether it refers to Buddha himself or it refers to a representative of Buddha


or it refers to a representative of Buddha but some uh books they mention which Buddha rupee Vishnu so again it correlates to you know our discussion in the last podcast where you know a lot of people argue that Buddha is not an incarnation of Vishnu but in many tantras it's written you know that it was Vishnu who was in the Rupa Buddha right so vashish goes there and there he learns the method of vamark and through that he's able to propitiate and that goddess is Tara so Tara has a very strong Buddhist connection even today in Tibetan Buddhism you know she is a much revered goddess you know when you break down the word Dash mahavidya does it basically mean 10 grade pieces of knowledge yes definitely definitely so these mahavidyas These are these are uh considered you know to be ten different manifestations of Kali but each of them you know highlights a different role and you know they are meant to uh


different role and you know they are meant to uh attract the devotees or the sadhak you know who's who's actually on a journey to spirituality or to you know finding out discovering the universe or himself or God they're they're um meant to attract certain types of devotees and I'll come to it you know when we go to the you know other um manifestations so we talked about Tara which was you know the Primal vibration and we were talking about the Buddhist connection uh so before I move on to the next one again you know interesting thing is that you know Tara's bhairav all shaktis have a bhairav with them their partner husband their male partner yeah okay so the bhera for uh Tara is called akshobia and the name is applied to Shiva of course but it refers to the story where you know he drinks the poison and he holds it here so the story of Tara says that it was Tara who helped him you know she kept


was Tara who helped him you know she kept her hand here and that is why the poison stopped here in his throat and that's why she was called Neil because the poison is still there is the name of one of the five wisdom Buddhas you know in Mahayana Buddhism so there's a very strong connection and it again gets reflected in another form which will come to later but moving on from Tara you know this is the beginning of the universe in scientific terms this time you know at the opportune time which is Kali you know the vibration begins and our purans talk about the Primal desire they talk about the God Desiring to multiply why you know a lot of people write to me and a lot of people as what is the whole purpose of this creation you know why did God have to create Us in the first place and the simple answer is you know why does a couple have children you know or why does a person who's single want to marry or want a companion


who's single want to marry or want a companion you know the moment you have someone else your life becomes more complete right or you can experience love and a scripture say that God is the essence of love it's not you know how God is described in certain communities or certain religions you know as a very strict and harsh task master or you know who's you know an old man with a flowing beard sitting somewhere high in the heavens who's just judging all of us you know and he's punishing us you know for this and that God in our scriptures is the essence of love the only way you can experience Love Is by having another person you know and God wanted to experience that love or God is love right so he manifests he or she manifests as multiple beings right and that Primal desire to experience love is goddess lalitha that's a third form so lalitha instead of being um scary like Kali or Tara you know she is the most beautiful


or Tara you know she is the most beautiful being in the world you know she's called tripura sundari she is the most beautiful in the three worlds you know and she's depicted she's also called show Dishi because she's depicted as a girl of 16. but she is kameshwari she is the goddess of love like or Romance desire basically you know it could be romantic desire love and it's only because of Desire the things move right so today I want to achieve salvation there's a desire in my heart to achieve moksh or Nirvana so that without the desire I will not do anything right but we had a desire to have this discussion you know without that Primal desire nothing can happen so the universe cannot be created without the desire for creation and that is goddess and very interestingly you know the if you see the depictions of these goddesses it's very different it's a far cry from the nav Durga or the other goddesses that we see so


Durga or the other goddesses that we see so goddess you know uh she's called kameshwari she's called shodashi and she is sitting on a throne who's you know the legs are formed by the trinity and there are three forms of Shiva involved in so there's Brahma Vishnu there's rudra there's Mahesh and they sadashiv so the three forms of uh lordship and Brahma and Vishnu these are called punch Brahma what does it show you know it does not it does not really mean that you know goddess is superior to all of them you know what it means is that love binds even the most powerful gods you know that's my interpretation I feel because she's kameshwari she's benign she's beautiful she does not carry weapons like the other form she's not scary she's sitting very nicely peacefully on her throne which is formed whose legs are formed the base is formed by the Trinity and the forms of Shiva so I feel that's what it


forms of Shiva so I feel that's what it reflects that love is the most beautiful or most powerful thing in this world and even an Interstellar you know that was the conclusion right that love transcends Dimensions you know like gravity so that's the third form so the Primal desire is there and now the universe will be created so we have the next form which is ma uh bhuvaneshwari bhuvaneshwari corresponds to Vishnu so Vishnu as we said you know Lord Vishnu means space bhuvneshwari space you know she is located in the heart chakra chakra for space and she is you know if you compare with uh Vedas you know there's the mention of mother of gods Aditi and there are verses that say you know aditis this entire creation that is basically again highlighting the mother aspect right so she provides the space and Kali gives a Time component and because of kameshwari lalitha you know the vibration is happening and now the existence will come into


is happening and now the existence will come into being and that is how the next form comes which is not doing anything she's just sitting there she's a little scary but she's not doing much okay so she is the potential energy that this universe has a potential to grow now you know the Big Bang has happened and if you go by the scientific um analysis of how Universe began that's how it actually began there was a big bang and after that you know there was a dark age in between there's a period of Dark Age where nothing was there nothing was happening you know the Big Bang had happened but nothing was as yet created you know whatever came out of the Big Bang was just floating around there was no light there was nothing there was no stars no galaxies no Suns nothing had formed till then that is the Dark Age that's the potential right there and that is bhairavi and when the creation bursts into existence that is the kinetic energy that is the next form and she's


kinetic energy that is the next form and she's violent she's violent as hell you know and that is how life is real life is quite violent you know it just it's rude it awakens you suddenly you know and that is what chinnamasta does it's a very beautiful depiction I'm not sure if you've ever seen chinna Masta anybody who sees China Master first you know first of all first reaction is how can this be a god you know because she's so scary and she's so the depiction is completely out of box I first saw the painting of my children in one of the temples in Naina Devi Temple it was painted on the temple wall and I that was the first time when I was a kid and I was scared you know and it's much later that you understand what the depiction means and you know chinnamastha is shown standing on top of a lovemaking couple and she has cut her own head which he's holding in one hand there are three three


which he's holding in one hand there are three three Sprouts of blood that are coming out of her neck the central one is going into her own mouth and the two on the left and right they are going into the mouth of her companions okay so anyone who looks at that image would be aghast you know what does it represent and it is scary as hell you know why would God be depicted in something so uh you know unfathomable and dark probably right and it was much later while reading about the Maha vidyasada understood the significance you know first thing is that she's cut her own head which signifies death right and she's standing on top of a love-making couple which is creation so it represents that the cycle of creation and death and destruction is an ongoing one right on one head there is death and another hand there is creation which is happening she is holding her own head and head signifies ego right so the first step in attaining wisdom or advancing on the path of spirituality


wisdom or advancing on the path of spirituality is letting go of your ego that is what it represents ahead our face is our own is our whole identity right we identify ourselves by that phase we keep looking in the mirror how am I looking Etc so that is the cutting off of of your ego the three Sprouts of blood they actually represent the nadis you know the Ida pengland the sushumna and the central one of course is going into our own mouth which is represented by dakini and vernini you'll have to break that down a little bit uh very quickly to summarize what the nadis are it is your spine your spinal cord and two nerve canals that kind of surround yourself right in yoga in yoga It is believed that you know we have very minute nadis which are like the nervous system and they are along the nervous around the spinal cord astral nerves sort of yes so they are along the spinal cord and the central one is sushumna and


cord and the central one is sushumna and it is surrounded by either and pingula which represent the sun and the moon so the Kundalini when we're talking about the Kundalini when it arises it rises through these channels these are channels just like we have blood vessels for the trans transport of blood we have lymphatic vessels similarly we have these channels for the transmission of Kundalini energy so so that's what these Sprouts of blood represent okay so I mean once you understand it it makes perfect sense oh yes this is quite clear but till that time you're always wondering why God is shown like this so chinna Master is the kinetic energy and now again very beautiful form you know which is dhumavati the next form is dhumavati who is shown as a widow the first time that I ever saw the goddess in Hinduism being represented as a widow otherwise she's always wearing you know red clothes she's decked up with jewelry and dhumavati is an


up with jewelry and dhumavati is an old hag you know she's dressed in Bland clothes and you know she's she has disheveled here she's she's not very good looking she's ugly rather you know and she's sitting on a chariot or a cart which does not have horses you know so she's not going anywhere basically right and she holds a winnowing basket in her hand and she's also associated with fire and smoke dhumavati basically means you know represents the smoke so what does it represent what does she represent what do you think tolerance okay um yeah I have nothing else man suffering positively possibly yes so dhumavati basically is the Goddess that tells you you don't really uh you know nothing is permanent even if you have a companion today you might not have him or her tomorrow right because life is different life is sudden you know life is what happens to you when you're busy making plans that's the proverb right so you don't know what


that's the proverb right so you don't know what is going to happen in the next moment so your spiritual journey is in your hands and she's supposed to favor the ones who are singers you know the Bachelors the spinsters the widows the uh old people who are left alone so she's supposed to favor those each of these uh Dash mahavidyas have their own individual mantras I'm yes pretty sure yes yes yes when we say that there is a mantra for a certain God you're basically calling out to that energy yes you're tuning your radio set of your mind to that energy exactly exactly that is why these are ten different mahavidyas wisdom goddesses but what will they give you will they give you strength they will give you the advancement that you need you know in your spiritual journey because as far as I have been told at least in Isha Foundation inside guru's ashram the divine feminine Temple is always related to material gain that too not too but there's always


to material gain that too not too but there's always two aspects to it you know if as I said you know some people lose themselves in the material gains that they get and say these etc etc so definitely there's an aspect of material gains also but they are supposed to give you spiritual advancement okay so that's a main purpose okay maybe maybe that once your material desires are satisfied you're much more in line towards chasing your spiritual Advance probably anyway go on right so dhumavati is the only Widow goddess and you know what does the smoke represent smoke is what is left after everything is destroyed right so dhumavati is the creation after destruction or before creation you know she's that period you know where nothing exists she's nothingness or you can also understand her as you know she's sleep you know in sleep nothing exists for us right so she represents that dormant uh uh nature or she can also represent this organization you know whenever there's a system and it's a


you know whenever there's a system and it's a scientific term called entropy I personally believe you know represents entropy where every system has a tendency to go into disorder that is a natural tendency in the universe it's been observed that any perfect system will not stay perfect it will go into disorder so as the creation is happening with chinna Masta simultaneously there is entropy through dhumavati right and the next form of baglamukhi She is again very fascinating she is depicted as a goddess whose who she has a club in one of her hands you know she has a gadha in one of the hands and she's pulling the tongue of a demon and she's just about to strike him with that gather so she's what is the significance of holding the tongue of that it's a pause you know it is she's paralyzed the enemy so when we're talking about the material gains you know baglamukhi specifically prayed to to defeat the uh opponents for example in


to to defeat the uh opponents for example in debates you know in earlier times there were so many debates that used to happen religious Scholars right so people would pray to bagalamukhi to help them win the debate against their opponent in today's day and age people use it to win court cases you know sort of something like that you know where you paralyze the intellect or the uh you know vocal capabilities of your opponent what does it translate to in terms of the universe you know Universe has taken a pause there is kinetic energy this creation that's happening there's entropy that's happening and now universe is at a pause you know it's the breadth it's of breaths you take before leaping you know ahead before doing something momentous there's a deep breath that you're taking that is that's the pause that you take and the next form is the perfectly balanced one which is Matangi and goddess Matangi again you know it's so beautiful that the dash mahavidyas within the group they


beautiful that the dash mahavidyas within the group they cover aspects that were traditionally not considered auspicious such as a widow and Matangi who is the perfect epitome of balance you know she is a chandalini so she's an outcast why because her father matangarishi she was as a boon you know the goddess was born to the Rishi uh and matang Rishi was a Chandal to begin with and through his Penance etc etc he became a Rishi what is the Chanda so a Chandal is an outcast an outcast in you know in terms of the ancient times was a person who used to tend to the corpses the funerals you know those are the only outcasts in the ancient times you know so a lot of people are politically misuse the term but outcasts only meant chandals who lived in the cemetery and who performed the last rites of the person so she is a chandalini again another Outcast just like dhumavati who's a widow but matangi's description


dhumavati who's a widow but matangi's description is probably I find it the most fascinating because you know she's holding a Veena in one hand like Saraswati she is called the tantric Saraswati so she holds the Veena in one hand and in another hand she's holding a sword or a scissor sometimes in the third hand she's holding a skull so there's a balance right I think it's a balance between a warrior and an artist you know a a person of logic and intellect and reality and practicality and a person who lives in his own world you know that's the balance that Matangi is showing she's also sometimes shown with a parrot why and parrot is is is uh is a species that is represented with a lot of different forms of the Goddess goddess minakshi in madurai you know where the temple is so she's also depicted with a parrot goddess sometimes depicted of the parrot and parrot is the only bird that can talk right so that's the


the only bird that can talk right so that's the significance she is the she is holds your tongue and Matangi allows you to speak so Matangi is the tantric version of Saraswati which enhances your creative powers of this whole podcast Matangi is the one that's staying with me the most she's my favorite as well if you see the depiction she's beautiful and she's called shyamala she's dark she's sort of greenish and tinge and she has this beautiful you know half moon on her forehead and she's holding the Veena and a skull and there's a parrot and there's a sword and you know there's so much happening and you just lose yourself in that depiction that wow you know what a way to uh you know combine the two different uh Polar Opposites the left side of the brain and the right side of the brain coming together and in an individual that is Matangi for the universe it is the finding of balance you know as I said you know dark energies


balance you know as I said you know dark energies bringing us closer dark energy is actually taking us apart and dark matter is bringing us closer when they achieve that balance where universe is at stand still it's neither expanding nor Contracting that is Matangi it has reached what it had wanted to achieve right and the next form after Matangi is Kamala again just like navadurga where the last form was siddhi ratri which was very similar to Lakshmi Kamala is very similar to Lakshmi and she's again very beautiful very benign looking and she's sitting on a Lotus and she's being bathed in Water by white elephants that's the gajalakshmi form uh we say in the puranic depictions as the gaja Lakshmi firm probably is an elephant Matangi is your pathway to spiritual advancement and uh exactly and there's a lot of significance right so matanki is when you find that balance after all that struggle that has happened you know your potential has transmitted into


has happened you know your potential has transmitted into some action but there's also some entropy and now you find after taking a pause you find that balance in Life Next Step would be your spiritual Evolution and again why Kamala you know because Kamal or Lotus it rises from the mud from Muddy Waters and it is such a beautiful flower that rises from the most extreme conditions right so that is how you have to evolve in your spiritual journey there's a lot of deep significance in these forms and all of them they have their own mantras so a sadhak who's more attracted to say Matangi he can worship only Matangi but you know Matangi that's the next step you know once he has probably absorbed the essence of Matangi or she's he's been Guided by that energy of Matangi that the next step is to realize the Oneness of God you know these are all different manifestations as we started you know in the podcast that you know these are just different manifestations of


that you know these are just different manifestations of God which highlight certain tendencies that we have and there are certain aspects that God wants to help you in you know God is like the indulgent parent who's ready to do whatever to bring you back home the indulgent mother indulgent Mother exactly who's ready to do anything you know it's like you know and another question that a lot of people ask me why were we sent to this miserable world you know if there's so many miseries and you know why do we have to deal with all this if God wanted love you know why why not just keep us there in the spiritual realm you know why send us to the material Realm we had covered the material realm and spiritual Ram in one of the first podcast that we returned Multiverse so why indeed you know so the reason that is given is that you know there are souls like teenagers you know when you're growing up you're rebellious right and you want your own Freedom you want your


right and you want your own Freedom you want your own existence you don't want to follow the rules so like teenagers you know there were some Souls that wanted to experience life without the overpowering uh authority of God and God like an indulgent parent you know like a son who says that I'm got married now I'm gonna move out of this house and I'm not going to stay with you I'm not going to live under your rules anymore or not married even otherwise you know and God says like that pair and that okay I'll help you set up your house okay I understand you I'll help you set up your house but you have to deal with life on your own so we the souls we come to this house the material which is again created by God for us because it was our desire to live independent of him and God has created this material realm and we are living here but we have to deal with life now whatever life has to throw we were under the protection of our parent of


throw we were under the protection of our parent of a as long as you're a child you're protected from everything else right you're in living in that protective cocoon nothing can touch you anything happens you immediately run to your mother or father you know and they'll take care of it that's what God does for us in the spiritual Realm but as soon as we sped step out of the house we whether for studies whether for work whether for after marriage we have to deal with everything on our own that is what we are doing here and the actu the final realization is God is sending all these different energies or energies or manifestations to make us reach him come back to him you know he's allowing us to experience to explore this material world explore our own Tendencies whatever we want to do and keeping in mind all those Tendencies are different Pathways that are taking us back to God and that is where the role of mahavidyas comes but light behind me went down at just the right time


light behind me went down at just the right time I also intuitively feel that uh it's the end of this particular episode because this was a heady one doctor I now get why you wanted to do this one for so long yes um so format information and research that you've been doing uh for so long man like so you know again this is the question a lot of people ask me that who's your favorite form of God but I feel you know I gravitate towards different forms depending on where you are depending on where I am in life depending on the phases of life I gravitate towards different manifestations and I don't really know much about you know the vahmark I don't practice it but I have a curiosity to know that's why I've researched a lot and I've tried to understand it from my own level you know what it could mean and I don't find anything scary in it you know once you know the purpose I don't find anything scary it's just a different way to reach


anything scary it's just a different way to reach God but you know I think all of us need to do that all of us need to find the form that resonates most with us and follow that path at least till the time it is you know relevant for you yeah um you know I'd probably like to end this episode by just saying that these episodes with this level of information is like us just presenting weapons to the audience yes now which listener which audience members gonna remember the names of these goddesses go research about them go find out the mantras related to each of those goddesses because one thing I've realized in my seven year career which also happens to be my seven year spiritual journey is that mantras have power yes um there's deep meaning behind all these depictions and that deep meaning and that deep power can be used to alter your material life to get your material goals faster so that you can start thinking of spiritual goals much more definitely definitely Dr Agarwal thank you


much more definitely definitely Dr Agarwal thank you for another epic episode uh any signing of notes when we're trying to summarize the divine feminine aspect of God for sure I think you know it's important to understand the Divinity of these forms but as I said earlier you know it is also important to remember the divine feminine that surrounds us you know it's the navratri we we worship the goddess but we should also realize that the women around us are also very sacred and you know we should treat them in the same way yeah and I feel you know it is it is and I feel it's not just about a gender you know it's about Humanity you know ultimately all the religion uh all that the religion teaches you is to connect yourself with God it doesn't matter whether you're a man or a woman your gender does not limit your experiences right and women tend to be more creative women tend to be more in tune with the intuitive aspect whereas


be more in tune with the intuitive aspect whereas men are more aggressive Etc you know that's the traditional um thought and it's very important to understand that feminine aspect a lot of people you know trivialize it a lot of people mock it you know that you know why do you worship women or why do you people who don't understand or you know um there's another aspect there's a lot of propaganda that happens during our festivals oh on one hand you're worshiping goddesses on the other hand you're doing this but nobody goes and checks you know whether it's the same person who's worshiping the goddess also uh maybe doing domestic abuse to his wife it's not the same person right it so don't generalize don't mock the beliefs of of people or you know which are based on such inherent truths about ourselves about Divinity and try and understand them you know just because you want to appear cool or just because you want to fall in that intellectual bracket and


you want to fall in that intellectual bracket and you try to criticize something without understanding it I think that's doing a disservice to yourself there's so much Beauty in these depictions there's so much depth in the in the in the you know different forms of gods and goddesses that are given to us in our scriptures understand why there are so many gods you know God is one regret says you know this is a verse in with beautiful verse which says which means god is one but learn it Call It by many names so these are just different manifestations of God stop fighting about my God or your God when it comes to religions within the religion stop fighting about Supremacy that my the my yesterday was Superior Etc gods goddesses these are all different manifestations of the same Supreme Being and we should rather than arguing rather than fighting amongst ourselves we should focus on achieving that Moksha getting United with that Supreme Being Dr Agarwal he was hoping that you achieve


Dr Agarwal he was hoping that you achieve your motion thank you so much because that's a personal wish for me as well I want to do the same let's get done with this material life this podcast this growth very soon and go be an ascetic in the Himalayas well this is helping a lot of people I'm sure you know we we that's the only purpose of doing these podcasts again you know whether on ranveer you have a massive reach and I think the uh best utilization of that reach is by sharing wisdom from the scriptures so that people can learn more find out more and find their own paths that's that's the only effort just relaying your information doctor thank you for another epic episode so much uh he was hoping that we do another dark episode sure thank you doctor thank you that was the episode for today what I love about certain guests is that they are Furious learners roughly 350 people have spoken to till date maybe only four or five of them fit this pure


maybe only four or five of them fit this pure All-Star build and Dr vanit Agarwal is one of those people if you're watching this podcast on YouTube tell me in the comment section what else you guys would like to see ra and VA create together let me know in the comment section let me know on IG and if you're following us on Spotify that's what you should be doing if you're not then follow us on Spotify Spotify exclusive every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world Dr Vinita garval will be back on TRS very soon [Music] thank you


uh I had given a lecture on the different traditions of ramayana where I had told that there are countless version at least 40 of which I have encountered because Sita is a daughter of ravan what Sita is the daughter of Raven I'm not saying it's not involving it is not in any major MMS but there are ramayanas right from the jaina ramayana onwards many of the South Indian versions and the versions in the Eastern Asia where Sita is the daughter of Rama even attributing color to it is a very Western concept where white is good and black is all racialism charts from that no even the English language is full of that no my and we are adapted to it actually in Indian this thing black was considered auspicious that is black Krishna is black the Devi is black only in television Krishna has become fair and lovely Krishna in itself is black right today's episode is deeply philosophical it's kind of mind-mending in some ways is someone who has


of mind-mending in some ways is someone who has dedicated his entire life to researching more about Dharma about Hindu culture about ancient Indian culture and the kind of nuggets of wisdom he shared in this episode will make you question the wisdom that you think you've already solidified in your own mind it was one of those episodes so watch it with an extremely open mind watch it with the intention of absorbing a different perspective or different perspectives from this great writer's mind for more deep episodes like this make sure you follow us on Spotify every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world this is a ravan special this is a ramayan special of TRS with Anand nilkentan enjoy foreign [Music] ERS you became a writer yeah that's what you do no most of the writers I think are Engineers yeah this one is a dasera special it's a Diwali special do you think that there was really a demon king called ravan when they say he


a demon king called ravan when they say he had 10 heads is that metaphorical is it literal it is uh I think most of these stories are metaphorical in nature okay uh I don't see them as history people may say it is a history because in ramayana itself they talk about countless ramayanasa okay like one of the most famous uh Tales I don't know that I have time for the tail but I'll just say we have all the times very good one of the things which uh there are two three stories in ramayan which talks about the cyclic nature of ramayan one of it is uh Sita gives a lot of argument saying that I want to come with you ram says no no only I have been asked to go to the forest so you need not come see that gives lots of arguments finally the Clincher argument is this Sita says in every ramayana which has happened before it has gone with the ram why not in this ramayana um that itself shows how how much


this ramayana um that itself shows how how much cyclic in in nature it is another story which comes uh is this where hanumani sent uh Hanuman is guarding Ram okay so the god of death Emma is not able to enter the Avatar is getting over Ram has to go back to why contacts Vishnu but as long as Hanuman is there as a protector the god of death cannot enter so the sages come talk to Ram saying this is a problem we can't talk to anyone he won't hear of it that you going away you have to find a way so what RAM does is Lord Ram takes his ring and puts it on the floor there is a crack through it it goes to patharlo don't ask me about the construction quality of ayodhya anyhow there was a crack on the floor it goes It goes to the Pathology man please get me a ring my ring has gone and one can become big small as per the Epic so he becomes small he can just throw the crack


he becomes small he can just throw the crack reaches the Pata look mahabali is the king of the mahabali is also a devotee office so mahabali is there mahabali is sitting he asks he welcomes Hanuman he asks why have you come and Hanuman says my Lord's ring has fallen here and I want to take it mahabali says okay I think you can take that ring when Hanuman looks there to that side this is a huge mountain of hate Rings rings and Hanuman has what is this which ring I should take he says any ring you can take it doesn't matter one thing second thing from word it all these things come from he says that in every yoga in every ramayan Ram throws his Rings like this and the Hanuman comes here to take it he never takes the Rings he goes back when I tell why Ram has done that it's because uh Ram has gone to a Conta he wanted to take you away from there so that the god of death can enter yeah


there so that the god of death can enter yeah Multiverse of Madness multi words back and by the time he has gone back again the next few guide is going to happen next uh cyclop for you guys it is going to happen yeah so when you have a tail like this then it means that uh it is foolish to fix a historical time frame for it so I'm just telling this to tell how different and varied the Traditions are there is no one single ramayana or one single Mahabharata there are so many multiple versions where even the character it is not to offend or anyone I am telling these are the kind of stories it is available people can research and see there are stories where these characters are Muslims huh you know what let's do that in the southern parts of India especially in care it's written in a half or a big half Malayalam really the one of the versions is not the version for many versions uh in which all the characters are Muslims they do


uh in which all the characters are Muslims they do namas they do prayers and all those things Ram ravan they all pray to Allah but the story is Suri morals values everything is the same nothing changes in that but the character changes recently and three years back in Mumbai mmrda grounds Maharashtra tourism government had uh conducted a international ramayana drama Festival okay so I was one of the cultural Empires I was a cultural Ambassador for representing India for that they had invited me to give a lecture on this uh I had given a lecture on the different traditions of ramayana where I had told that there are countless version at least 40 of which I have encountered where Sita is a daughter of ravan what Sita is the daughter of Raven I'm not saying it's not involvement it is not in any major MMS but there are ramayanas right from the jaina ramayana onwards many of the South Indian versions and the versions in the Eastern Asia where Sita is a


the versions in the Eastern Asia where Sita is a daughter of Rama okay so what what happens in the story like she goes back to her dad's home uh see there are in that also there are two three versions in some versions she doesn't know that it is both of them don't know that it is father and daughter in some versions ravana knows that it is a daughter and he purposely take there are versions coming to what I was telling when I told this a lot of people got curious some got a bit angry also because a lot of dignitaries were there they said we are not come across I said it is there I cannot help if it is there it's not to offend or anyone this is like evolved over three thousand four thousand years these are stories it's up to you to accept what or reject what or accept everything or reject everything or say that I believe only these all kind of freedom is there in our culture yeah when I told that there was some


our culture yeah when I told that there was some commotion and other things after that the performance has started there were troops from Philippines there were troops from Malaysia these are all like 700 year old ballet troops 600 year old married troop like from Thailand the prince himself had come to play in most of this version Sita is the daughter of Raven wow in front of so many people it was played it might be available in the YouTube and other places uh in one of the versions in which what they showed even I encountered that this was from Philippines in Philippines version Raven says you can go back I brought you so that uh there is you are my daughter but see that refuses to go back in that version trying to make peace between her father and her husband so I know this I don't know how these kind of stories evolved in some of the Buddhist versions all of them were born in ayodhya not in ayodhya but in Varanasi they are the kings of


but in Varanasi they are the kings of Varanasi um uh the birthplace is not even ayodhya and uh in some some versions uh there are versions in which Sita kills Javan there are versions in which Sita RAM and RAM kills ravan and then another ravan come called and Sita just one seconds I really want to do one thing okay [Laughter] playing like a whole Avengers Multiverse singers this is so fascinating in the sense that if you take it as how the human civil assistant the mind has worked and how the story is evolved while we shown that conventional version of ramayanthan that's the most popular one okay as in the highest number of people follow that one see conventional version also it is very funny conventional version means what conventional version is and when did this become the conventional version like when where I grew up we are not familiar with I am we all used to read ramayana during the monsoon season in Kerala I'm from Kerala Malayalam uh and 500 years


I'm from Kerala Malayalam uh and 500 years old that is a version we are familiar with in the nearby state in tamilnadu they are familiar with kambaramayan which is a very beautiful ramayan which is the first one which really made Ram as the god whereas in valmiki Ram is the human avadar of Vishnu so he has he cries and he has all the uh what he called human shortcomings human I won't say shortcoming human emotions and uh human uh whatever like he gets angry he gets sad is the one in which uh actually Ram him becomes total god um yeah Tamil Nadu is more familiar to that like that orisa sarladas is the kannada has its own Ramen [Music] even though he took stories from all these Rama and 99 of it or 90 of it at least he based it on um why did you write an entire book from ravana's perspective like what about that character fascinated you there are fascinating things if you really observe lynching of


are fascinating things if you really observe lynching of ravana lynching of raval Leela where does this happen in India ramayana is across India right where exactly the geographical spaces I now everywhere it might be happening but traditionally North India wherever the Islamic rule was there that is the place this concept became rooted that ravan is evil wherever the Hindu kingdoms and the things flourished there is no ravan the hand there are lots of temples for ravan doesn't mean ravan is God anywhere but in traditional Indian places where it has been less influenced by these thoughts temples are there temples Kerala also has ravaneshram temples a lot of places across India this is a traditional India where it is not that much influenced by this Viewpoint that one is good one is bad so you're basically saying that before India was subject to invasions probably all of India followed um a very wide version of Hinduism which as of now you only see remnants of in Tamil


of now you only see remnants of in Tamil Nadu and Kerala not just their Northeast Northeast Bengal the the fringes of in India ah means I'm not saying see every I'm not saying this is superior that is interior I am just bringing you to a subtle observation yeah word as uh RAM why is the same Ramana is not getting the same kind of lynching everywhere actually if you go as per our you are arguing from the philosophy you are arguing from this to quranic world so you have to go by that logic you cannot impose you our logic of today and say that he is evil is good and all that in if you go back ravana is not nobody other than Jaya who was The Bodyguard of Vishnu so he gets cursed you know that story you know yeah and Vijaya are the two Bodyguards of Vishnu so this uh sanat Kumar has come uh the rishis come and they want to have a meeting with Vishnu so Vishnu says that


a meeting with Vishnu so Vishnu says that don't let anyone inside we are going to have a meeting foreign now these people run to Vishnu that we followed your instruction we followed the HR manual and we are cursed what is this he said I can't do anything you have to use your discretion when something of these things happen now you will have to have your karma Bella so he gives Choice whether you can take 100 lives as my devotee my birth or three lives as my enemy and we will teach the world about good deeds and the deeds and the karma and Karma to the world how it affects everyone so they they don't want to be devotees they don't want they are intelligent they don't want to be blind bugs they want they say that we will be your enemies foreign foreign uh narasimha and fight Shiva that is another story so he keeps on uh paying the price both of them pay the price for whatever action they had done they eat the


price for whatever action they had done they eat the fruits of their karma is nobody other than The Bodyguard of Vishnu and it is clearly told that it is Leela of Vishnu Lila means drama or play so it is just a play it is just like a film or a show or a play made for mankind to be able to understand I understand that whatever you do whether you are God or demon or human or it is whatever you do you will pay the price for it is as simple as that putting it very simply it's more complicated but it's very simple also it's true simple is this is bad because he has played a lot of will enrolled I can't do it but yeah goons are like what actually happens in the life of ravana before is a character who doesn't stop at anything okay he wants to grab everything that is why 20 arms are there symbolically whether it is knowledge or whether it is wealth or power he wants everything for you want to accumulate that


power he wants everything for you want to accumulate that he's an accumulator and he tries to control everything one way is a good quality also he tries to control the destiny one of the uh stories fascinating stories is he brings all when his son is born he brings all the sun all the planets to stand on he's a great astrologer so he makes them to stand on a position whether it is physically possible whether it is signs and all no it is not it's a story like a Story Don't Make signs and this thing with it here it has us too he brings all the planets but Shani what he does he keeps one leg when the indrajit is born his son is born he keeps one leg on a different please and ravana cuts his leg so that's why she Shani is lame as per the story but see the man or the demon or the Jaya or whichever way you call him he wants to control the universe he wants to control the destiny he doesn't


he wants to control the destiny he doesn't want to leave it anything to fate fate also he brings it there [Music] he another quality of it he wants kailas itself he goes to kailas he'll tries to lift it and take it he gets crushed by Shiva you know that story he tries to lift it up and Shiva processes his leg and he is all the ants gets crushed what does he do from there he creates poetry he creates he Praises Shiva and he asked for more more what more power more this thing it never stops he never stops wanting things and Rama is the opposite of it he doesn't want anything so that is how the character has been created also Rama doesn't want he's detached he doesn't want the kingdom he doesn't he loves his brothers but he doesn't want to go back to bharata he does he loves his wife but yeah abandon said whether it is right wrong morally that's just a predator but here is one man who


just a predator but here is one man who doesn't want anything and he is a man who wants everything so one way of looking at it is a conflict between these two also um what about the ravana temple sir why do they exist like in terms of what is uh for knowledge they pray for knowledge okay because he had accumulated that much knowledge Ramana is considered as the he wrote uh the books on uh pediatry he wrote the books on hasta ayurveda he wrote the books on that is uh for a treatment of elephants treatment of horses treatment of other animals other ayurvedic books he wrote a lot of poetry he was an inventor of many ragas Veena these pieces of knowledge still accessible to human beings this uh see where you don't know whether it was there was actually a ravana or whether actually he wrote this but these are all attributed to him so what we have to understand is the entire civilization has attributed so many good qualities and achievements to this


attributed so many good qualities and achievements to this man who is considered to be a villain because the moment we say we learn we take it like the typical Hollywood or the present-day Bollywood villain where it is all dark and kind of villain it is much much more laid and think of that it's gray versus gray in some ways it's a gray versus gray or see even attributing color to it is a very Western concept where white is good and black is all racially some charts from that no black is uh bad even the English language is full of that no my and we are adopted to it actually in Indian this thing black was considered auspicious that is black Krishna is black Devi is black most of our gods are black why should a country which has such skin tone where 99 of the people are dark or shades of dark attribute Gods as Fair only in television Krishna has become fair and lovely Krishna there is Krishna in itself is black right it's


is Krishna in itself is black right it's not even blue it's black yeah yeah um maybe in this particular episode so my main logic was trying to understand this character around because around the corner is dashara dasara even celebrated in the same regions where uh the ravana temples you can see one Festival which is celebrated all over India is Puja dasara okay but it is celebrated for different reasons to different gods in different parts of the country same days it is celebrated for Kalima in some parts it is celebrated for Kalima in Eastern parts of the country okay in uh Kerala and all it is Saraswati celebration it is the day of Vidya remember okay where you start everything and Saraswati is the main deity for the foreign or anything like that even Diwali in the south is for Krishna killing it has got nothing to do with ramayana um it's not Ram coming back or anything yeah in South India Diwali is celebrated for see the celebrations


Diwali is celebrated for see the celebrations of India that itself is so much difference in uh here it is more like uh uh for the Puja time it is not Durga who gets it now everybody leaves everywhere is talking about traditionally how it gets celebrated different gods are forms of gods are popular in different parts of the country also in Mysore hardly 100 kilometers away from Kerala border foreign so much variation on the Same Day celebration even the biggest Festival we don't agree forget that I will tell you something I will ask you a question I don't know um who is elder uh Ganesha or Carthage that's what I have who is elder they'll probably say the same thing it depends on which part of the country you are from who has uh who is a bachelor and who has wives I thought they both have wives Karthik has wives as far as I know yeah yes or does it depend on which part of the country oh okay let me tell you this in Northern


country oh okay let me tell you this in Northern parts of the country um Ganesha is saying the western part of the country in Bombay and Maharashtra and all Ganesha has two wives now since it is globalization world everybody that's why you are mixing up stories 50 years back had you asked karthika is a bachelor God in the north people will be shocked but you come to South he has two wives and Ganesha is the bachelor God in the south whereas come to West Ganesha has two wives but in our part in our temples Ganesha is a bachelor Ganesha is never worshiped with wives whereas two wives whereas the northern park is a bachelor of God and karthia doesn't have wives he's Brahma Jerry and in South Korea is called in North it is the other way around so we don't even agree on some important gods and the shiva's Family itself who is Elder who is singer who has married who has two wives who doesn't have two wives


married who has two wives who doesn't have two wives just showing it to show the variation yeah have you heard about ayyappa it is another name for uh it is a God that's all I know is it no no ayyappa is in the southern part of country is the most popular God after tirupati in this country it has the highest number of pilgrims visiting in in a year ayyappa is the son of Vishnu and Shiva okay Vishnu in his mohini Avatar marry Shiva and in that ayyappa is born this ayyappa is such a popular deity in the south in the all four states and parts of a recent Southern Maharashtra almost 5 crore to six chlorophy pilgrims come in every year after tirupati does the highest number of football in the country and one of the biggest implant this God is not even known it's the most important God for almost 40 crores of Hindus it is a big Festival during that one month the entire South India every


during that one month the entire South India every village it's a big culture you travel 100 kilometers away from Karnataka to Maharashtra foreign my last question to you on this episode is um about ravana now at this stage of your life as a person what does ravana even mean to you ravana means to me whatever he meant in the ramayan original Raman itself no Ramana is another way of looking at Ramana is is the census okay let's let's talk about this he is about as I said he is about the passion he is an antithesis of whatever they say to avoid so in my Asura book I have elaborated that so that is like ravan says I will get angry he's asked to control anger he's asked to control comma there is Passion uh he's asked last he says why should I do that these are all God given ah or nature given [Music] faculties for human beings yeah I if I don't uh get angry at the things that has to be got


get angry at the things that has to be got angry then I can't be called human you do something to the people I love I'll be angry and able to do to protect the many species in the world will do that I am that so I am a force of nature you are asking for impossibility things you are saying that you should con you should not have desire like the six evil Hinduism talks about it generation talks about Sikhism talks about it talks about more uh number of evil also Buddha talks about that Bible talks about that but ravana gives a counter philosophy to it why do you you are talking means the six uh trades which you will have to avoid like Karma all those things you know he says that when you have to feel angry you have to feel angry when you have to feel lust without lust there is no life karma is the life force because there is less that you and I are born every animal is born because of lust there are


born every animal is born because of lust there are other creatures at least known about it science says there are asexual reproduction that's a separate partner but majority of the life at least what can be seen not about bacteria and other things is sexual reproduction so we thought last there is no life so the ravana is asserting all these things itself is that lust is important ravana's fault also is going beyond what is required he takes it to the extreme and that is what it is his fault but he gives one most important aspect of life that you can't live as a complete human being or a living being by purging all these whatever Guru say when Buddha say Buddha say or God say it is an impossible thing it gets proven in the puranas again and again even gods are not able to control the lust even rishis are not able to control the lust that they sit on meditation sages for thousands of years if you go by the story they stand on one feet hang upside


the story they stand on one feet hang upside down pray to God and suddenly one apsara comes and they lose their control you and I don't lose control like that right they lose the control to Manuka to other things or they say so what is the use of I think inherently they are weak beings so that is why one after thousand years of practice they are not able to control their mind which we are able to control as normal human beings because they are trying to do something extreme similarly deckers the curse people so what is there you are talking about don't get angry we have more self-control than many of the rishis if you read so what are they trying to say it is impossible to control these right you can only attempt to control it Ramana rejects this philosophy at all he says that if I am angry I will angry if I want something I'll grab it I'll pay the price it doesn't matter represents the nature at its uncontrolled unbridled passion and nature for


at its uncontrolled unbridled passion and nature for me it is that it is a natural force which is supposed to die it will have once it moves a store Miller to end one day you know and again it will rise what does RAM represent them Ram represents perhaps a failed attempt of trying to control all these things a failed attempt I will call that okay or a continuing attempt I won't call it fail the failed it's an effort um and talking I'm not talking as God or don't get offended and talking about the Quran telling it is a human these are two aspects of human beings let us take it like that one is where you've given up on living a correct life and one is we are constantly trying to live a correctly you are again going by the concept of what is correct or what is not correct I am saying there is nothing called character no incorrected ravana's thing and let me try to make it more simpler ravanas thing is that he will not try to


ravanas thing is that he will not try to control what nature gives I will utilize it to the best I will gather maximum knowledge I will gather maximum wealth I'll gather it is a Limitless Love For Life um it also is dangerous after some time no they can there is nothing like Buddha talks about middle path yeah Rama goes to the Other Extreme and both of them suffer if you really see um Rama denies everything don't look at him as a God and you should not criticize him in Indian thing they ask you to criticize each and everything even Krishna asked him to criticize himself Buddha used to make it a point that he is criticized in his discourses he used to encourage so this is our culture so we have to criticize gods and gods or sages or other things which is encouraged in our and other things are about debate every point is debated from all sides so there is nothing like you criticize blasphemy and you are burned at


you criticize blasphemy and you are burned at stake no so when you objectively analyze Ram is one extreme ravan is another extreme either of them is not working properly this was very uh new you gave me also that cognitive dissonance by revealing a lot of unknown facets about the ramayan uh you know with every episode I gain something like from my guest and from you have gained the uh wish to be able to go deeper into scriptures and see it from moreover 360 degree perspective rather than just the perspective that I have been given till this stage in my life so that's what I will say I will only conclude this by saying what uh cutting Buddha don't believe anything because don't believe or accept anything because it is said in some books or Scriptures it is said by some God or God man it is said even by Buddha himself um Buddha Scott you and coming back to Krishna in Gita accept only if it is acceptable to your experience and your


only if it is acceptable to your experience and your logic there is something is right and it will be right only for you just because Elders say just because it is said in some book holy book or whatever book you call doesn't matter whether it's Vedas or Bible or Quran or whatever name you call it unless that is a very scientific approach science developed because of that Indian philosophy was like that always when did we lose it we don't know every book needs revision ramayana or anything will continue to be revised Gita will be revised sometimes you may have to reject the entire thing because the times and places have changed it doesn't matter life constantly reduce it yeah maybe this is the true nature of what the world of first was Hinduism it has a constantly evolving philosophy constantly evolving so nothing that is why they say no smriti no scruti is final all are subject to the time the geography the place and the person interrupting interpreting on a new content so thank you for


interpreting on a new content so thank you for an epic episode move on to the next thank you thank you that was the episode for today I wanted to know what you guys honestly thought of this one it was a slightly different episode than the ones we've already done please drop a comment if you are consuming this podcast on YouTube and of course remember to follow us on Spotify or Spotify exclusive every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world when it comes to Anil kantan what other podcast what you like from this mind please let us know PRS will be back soon [Music]


democracy wasn't born in Greece democracy was born in India we had our own form of democracy which would have elected Kings or queens and they could be deposed if they did not perform right so we don't need to be lectured about democracy we don't need anyone to teach us what democracy is the truth is that Indians are all one Muslims are our brothers and sisters Christians are our brothers and sisters I believe that even the pakistanis and the Afghans and the bangladeshis ETC Sri Lankans they are all the same people as us we have been divided artificially the West is great at divide and Rule and they seek to continue doing that I'm not going to make this intro too long because all of you know what abhiji chowda brings to TRS this one's a geopolitical special from an India perspective spoke about the Modi government for the first time spoke about the geopolitical aspect of India in 2022. globally speaking we're heading into some very


2022. globally speaking we're heading into some very intense times and audiences have gotten to know the basics of geopolitics what about some deeper layers that's what was discussed today AC Returns on TRS makes you follow TRS on Spotify whereas Spotify exclusive which means that every episode is available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world this is one more epic geopolitical special and it's coming straight at you enjoy [Music] thank you all right another Super PC super intense TRS episode with the ultimate TRS All-Star welcome back to the show thank you very much great to be back on the show so we've done lots of geopolitical specials uh we're doing another run of geopolitical recording stream beginning with India we've never really broken down the Modi government uh India's role in the geopolitical sphere of the world that's what we'll do today and this one's meant for Indian citizens but it's also meant for citizens of other countries which I strongly believe have a


of other countries which I strongly believe have a skewed perspective of India because of media narratives given to them so we'll be taking into consideration all these false social media narratives everything from the prosecution of minorities to the criticism of the current government to the good things that the current government is doing on an international level I'm super excited about this episode I'm fumbling are you excited sir very much nice we were just having a conversation outside about uh how you said you've gotten way busier in the last six months to a year and uh that's because of the kind of reads that YouTube kind of provides to anyone who's providing content to YouTube you also said that you're not getting enough time to read as much as you'd like but knowing you I feel like geopolitics is your subject so that's something you're constantly in touch with yes for right to say this it is yes okay what's exciting you or scaring you about the geopolitical scenario in the world right now


about the geopolitical scenario in the world right now what's what's really interesting is that the world is changing very rapidly typically you see change at the geopolitical scale decade upon decade in the 2020s we are witnessing change year upon year that's how rapidly the world is changing there is a multi-polar world kind of right now there is this tussle between the US and China certain Nations seek a multi-polar world the U.S seeks a bipolar World China seeks eventually a unipolar world so there are three different World Views that various Nations have and it's a tussle between these three World Views unipolarity bipolarity and multi-polarity so who's gonna come out on top we'll know within a couple of decades at most so that's what's interesting right now really interesting I feel it's been a few months since we did our last recording from a geopolitics perspective do you still feel where on course for some sort of an international scale World War I hope not but it is a


scale World War I hope not but it is a significant possibility for sure because there are multiple friction points worldwide we just saw what happened in Taiwan we already know what's happening in Ukraine there's a slow War happening the classic slow war strategy that Russia is employing there is tension between India and the us right now significant friction tensions in a tussle that's going on there is obviously the India China border dispute the Chinese are constantly Pro prodding in poking India and India is not giving in so there's plenty of uh all these issues there's also the China Japan issue the Chinese are continuing their so-called peaceful rise which is not very peaceful it's a it's the rise of a bully and then there's the Old Guard the US the Western World the Western Bloc which is now invisible decline because uh there's a whole host of problems there visible decline because we are seeing the economy stagnating they are seeing massive inflation we are seeing a crisis of leadership in


inflation we are seeing a crisis of leadership in the west the only leadership from was from the US the other states are essentially satellite States essentially of the US and the U.S clearly has a crisis of leadership right now there are all these issues in the west the Chinese think it's their time to rise but their economy is also stagnating India's economy is rising very rapidly let's see how long that continues I hope it does so there are all these very interesting scenarios going on at variant various different parts of the globe what's clear is that this is the people have been saying it's the Asian Asian Century some people are saying it's a Chinese Century it could possibly be the Indian Century actually the way things are going right now so it's a it's very interesting times we live in and there could be there could be military conflict there are multiple flash points there's always the India Pakistan flash point the India China flash point is there the entire border is undemarkated we've had issues


the entire border is undemarkated we've had issues in the past we've had clashes in the past the Chinese obviously seek to constantly keep India on the back foot destabilize India there's a Taiwan issue the Chinese want to get that Island back it is their stated objective they want to do it as soon as possible they are waiting for the right opportunity and so many other issues so yes there are plenty of flash points and any of those could spark of a war like like what happened in World War one one little thing happens and every the entire continent is under you know under in turmoil so we've kind of uh let the pots similar to the tension has reached the brim and now we're just waiting for something to happen to spark off probably a worldwide conflict I think we don't want to see a worldwide conflict but it's a possibility because see once a spark is set off you never know what's going to happen once you start a conflict it can escalate to


once you start a conflict it can escalate to any level now the trick for India is to not get involved in any conflict for the next 10 20 years why because our economy is growing really rapidly now the past two years because of the global issue the the pandemic we had a downturn in the economy the first quarter of 2022 India's economy grew at 13.6 percent which is phenomenal now that is something that may not be sustainable in the long run but even if India's economy grows at eight percent per year by 27 we're gonna be at five trillion dollars the GDP by 2032 or 2033 we're gonna be at 10 trillion dollars once India reaches a 10 trillion dollar Mark it's going to be unstoppable because as your economy grows your hard power power also grows correspondingly which is your military the military force correct the military length because if you have more money to invest in the military you're going to get stronger so as your


military you're going to get stronger so as your GDP grows your military also grows once India reaches the 10 trillion dollar Mark nobody will essentially be willing to contemplate messing with India so India the trick for India is to reach that figure the 10 trillion dollar Mark figure without getting embroiled in any significant military conflict anywhere it's going to be a tightrope tightrope walk but let's let's see how that goes you know I mean there are other nations that do not want India to reach that stage there are nations that do not want to to see India reach even the 5 trillion dollar Mark the Americans don't want that because they've already made a big mistake with China they aided and abetted the rise of China back in the 1970s 80s 90s onwards and now see what they created they created a big monster which is now threatening their entire status as a superpower they do not want to repeat that mistake with India so they seek to use India as


mistake with India so they seek to use India as a counterweight to China but they do not seek to see India rise too much so they help India in certain ways but they seek to destabilize and hamper India in other ways and that's what we're witnessing right now so that's the tightrope work that India has to walk everybody I mean India has plenty of enemies plenty of adversaries in the subcontinent in Asia in the western world I mean India essentially has no allies India is going it alone but India is capable of going it alone so that is the tightrope walk that India has to do for the next 10 15 maximum 20 years and then we are we are out free so many tangents to go on um if anyone's tuning into one of these AC podcasts for the first time uh I highly recommend you go check out all our past episodes that we've done in Hindi and English as well this might be a 15th episode or so and there's also a great entry


episode or so and there's also a great entry point if you're just getting to learn about geopolitics for the first time in your life it's remote geopolitics from a very human level a lot of my intro to geopolitics was through you through these podcasts one thing I've realized is that the rules of geopolitics also apply to human situations like when you're at a party when you're in social situations when you're in your office same rules apply about allies about alliances Etc uh the second thing I've learned is is um the factors that really contribute to geopolitical growth so when we're talking about geopolitical growth it's primarily I mean in reality it's primarily about hard power which is your military strength and it's about your control on the oceans is there any third factor that you would put in this bracket it's about access to resources raw materials minerals from Iron Ore from your own land from anywhere from anywhere yes and for that you need Supply chains you need Logistics so


for that you need Supply chains you need Logistics so it's about controlling the supply chains the sea roads the land routes you need access to energy you want access to oil you want access to bauxite to Coal you want access to the rare Earths that go into semiconductors and various other things you need access to all the raw materials you need to have a massive industrial base that can convert those raw materials into finished products you need a massive military that can Safeguard your access to all the shipping lanes and all all the infrastructure and Logistics that you built up all this it's all about control the more geography you control the more powerful you are and the more secure you are and to see and to do that you need Navy Air Force and Army and all that is it fair to say that geopolitical power is your ability to go into a war and Win It it one of the factors is that as well yes because in case one of your supply routes is it comes under comes under


of your supply routes is it comes under comes under anyone's uh control or somebody threatens it you need to be able to go and intervene and Safeguard it so you need to have the ability to project military power wherever your interests lie so that is also a significant uh factor in geopolitics the third uh massive factor from a geopolitical perspective that I've understood is very simple the Richer you are the more powerful you are absolutely like and actually while we talk about power power is just a means to get to the money uh and when we're talking about USA's growth or China's growth it's always been from a place of making money building large-scale businesses ideally in the world of manufacturing uh being able to be self-sufficient and then using all that money you've made to strengthen your army to strengthen uh probably your mining capabilities your trade capabilities so actually it's a race for the money it's a race for the money it's for and yeah essentially it boils down to that


for and yeah essentially it boils down to that it's raised for money and for control Power is control Power does not influence its control okay yeah we call ourselves influencers I mean people call us influencers so it means that when we speak people will listen to us but we do not control those people they do not obey us right so power is about how much you control if you control 10 people they obey you instantaneously and without question you have that that much that much control if there's a thousand people well-armed people who will obey you without question instantaneously you are behave more powerful if you have 1.4 billion people who will obey you instantaneously you are massively powerful and it's all about control of people and control of resources and territory so that's what power is people believe that influence is power influence is not power influence is just that people will be listening willing to listen to you but they may or may not take you seriously maybe you are funny maybe you're


take you seriously maybe you are funny maybe you're entertaining maybe you're witty Charming whatever but that is not power power is absolute control we get a lot of international viewers when it comes to AC podcasts and uh keeping that in mind I want to talk about Narendra Modi and the BJP I thought we'll do this at the end of the the episode um there's a lot of narratives that go out in the west about India being uh you know sort of a very skewed nation that we're on the verge of dictatorship that where on the verge of self-destruction I have a bunch of friends who are deeply uh inspired by left-wing ideologies I have lots of friends who are deeply inspired by right-wing ideologies uh I'd love to know your kind of relay of information to the West in terms of if you had to introduce Narendra Modi from both a national standpoint and a geopolitical standpoint what changes have you observed in the country you're also someone who doesn't follow National


the country you're also someone who doesn't follow National politics just like myself but we do follow what the government is up to especially from an international perspective the truth of the matter is that you could debate a lot about what this Indian government could do better on a national level no one at all can argue that there is a better International representative of India than this government because this government knows how to show its teeth and they know how to make money I'm saying these things because we just spoke about geopolitical power Powers about money Powers about control there are theories that say that maybe democracy isn't even the way to go you know maybe it's not the right way to run a nation what do you have to say about this whole dictatorship angle uh the fascism accusations what do you have to say about Modi on an international level and what do you have to say about this projection when we're talking about 2032 2033 as an important phase I think every single Indian no matter what


important phase I think every single Indian no matter what the political ideologies are they know that this government is going to stay in power 10 years because what brings a government into a National Power in India are the votes of rural India and I've often seen that most left-wing ideologies are only in urban centers in India you go out in the Interiors you'll barely find anyone who's like out around lefting at least the majority uh will vote for the current government and they have they have a very different outlook on the current current government my point is I've traveled all over India and I'm very very sure that this government is going to stay in power until that 2030 to 33 Mark at least if not Beyond sir how would you like to introduce this government or talk about this government to International audiences so this current government came to power in 2014 and India had just gone through a decade of stagnation the previous regime the Congress regime came to power in 2004 when Mr Atul bihari vajpayee


in 2004 when Mr Atul bihari vajpayee and his NDA uh Coalition lost the election and then there was a period of high growth because of the policies that the ND had implemented because typically in National economics you see results a few years after you implement policies so the first five years of the uh of the UPA rule was a good I mean the nation did well and then the economy took a downturn it went into the doldrums and there were all these scams and God knows what so the nation was sick and tired of that that's the uh that's the mood that one sensed and then Mr Modi was projected as the he was put as the next prime ministerial candidate and he had a very strong track record of turning around the state of Gujarat from one of the backwaters of India into the most uh rapid the most rapidly developing state in the country essentially and people voted for him it was a popular vote and he came to power with a big majority