like that and it i was very hard not to crack there in school in the rehab center i was there for two years which is very rare i just couldn't accept the fact that i i was a drug addict or you know stuff like that so i mean uh i started realizing that there is so much more to life because there were 30 girls and 40 boys there and it was up in the bayou country in the swamps of jackson mississippi and we used to go out we used to go boating we used to go barbecuing and you know we used to do so much of fun stuff and i started realizing is that this is what life is and why was i missing that yeah you know that 10 years of my life i was in my room or in the bathroom or hiding you know even not interested in shoots stuff like that this is what life is then this is what i want to be and that is how everything changed for me what's your advice to a kid who's dealing with


your advice to a kid who's dealing with drug addiction right now i feel like listen man i mean there's no better high in life than what life is there's no better high in life than your mother and father or your family your brother sister you know there's no better high than work you know there's no better high than all this so i mean these things are just escapism and i think if you guys are men and if you guys are strong face that whatever problems you have in your life head on and you know we spoke about addictive personality disorder it's something you're diagnosed uh with by a psychologist by a professional the good thing about addictive personality disorder is that a lot of drug addicts have it but you can turn it into something very very positive i know like even in sanji i think they showed that phase where you when vegetable starts working out you started working out that's how you can use it in you can use it in workouts you can use it


you can use it in workouts you can use it in your career in your spiritual growth you can use it in these things to build positive habits you want to talk about that phase where the bounce back started when i came back so people used to say hrc hlc and other stuff so i said people then i went and started working out and i just wanted to break through that and then slowly you know this from chelsea it became something else what it become became a guy with a swag and this and cap body and all that stuff you know so i mean it's like that you go to you go to beat yeah 100 um do you know the word providence means what providence is a very important term for a lot of humans to get to know that's a very important term to put out on the internet as well it means that as you go through life there are moments and situations and people who just get attracted into your life which are meant to be there to help you so


which are meant to be there to help you so for example especially in the moments of your life where you're finding a lot of difficulty or trouble or it could even be overthinking on a particular day or bad thoughts a particular day you feel like god's massive giant hand has come into your life and is like cleaning up things and helping you out uh when i saw the movie that's what i noticed by mbbs that it just it was a big element of providence in your life also uh and i know we've skipped a phase and we're directly talking about this but do you think of this concept of providence a lot we are helped by god suddenly like shiva of course you're always helping me here i did not just call providence but definitely she was lord shiva's hand is on my head man he's there with me he's always picking me up he's always making me stronger is he's there you should think about shiva in your drug addiction phase also i used


shiva in your drug addiction phase also i used to think about him then i used to think about him in jail i left the i read the shiv puranas you know i've gone through those books what did you gain from puranas i gained his power i gained his humility i gained his knowledge you know there's so much which he said you know i mean uh i remember when he was getting married you know king himalaya's daughter and uh that was the first time parvati's mom [Music] you know with all the goblins with all the ghosts with him skulls around his neck and she said yeah he's my son-in-law she painted so all the devdas went and they said you know he's saying but this is what i am so that is what he is i see i see the the relatability for you also when people are pointing fingers at you people i think pointed fingers at you all your life i mean uh people who are judgmental good judges and bad i love the good


judgmental good judges and bad i love the good ones and i love the bad ones even more because it helps you improve because yes see this is what people need to understand about lives like yours like that if improvement is the central theme that's all that matters because that's what the meaning of human life is that you move on from your mistakes you spoke about jail a lot even while you were talking about drugs sir what did jail do to you was a man when you're sitting there well uh i'll tell you i was all i've always been humble but they did not break me i've done all that stuff in boarding school you know so it people thought it will break me it didn't but uh i think in jail you gotta you gotta take it you know that was meant for the british you know it's not for an indian citizen but i mean uh yes you have to go with the flow you have to do things you have to learn things you know i


do things you have to learn things you know i learned gardening i learned how to make paper bags i learned how to wash my room i learned how to have a cold shower i learned to work out there you know with the balti oh gaza with you know free hand workers boxing running in my yard so how many what do you got to do that and i read a lot as i said i read the ramayana i read the shiv puran the ganesh purana i read books you know which which mattered did you have any sort of petty on yourself pity on yourself but then i got a breakthrough that there's no pity you can't pity yourself you've got to be a fighter you know you know they lived everybody hopes every minute for something every minute i hope that my interview goes well i hope uh you know i get good money do i hope everything is fine it's hope all the time he's telling me to disconnect from hope and he says you won't realize


disconnect from hope and he says you won't realize when your time will go in the jail i said yeah i tried and i tried and i tried i'm telling you it took me about two three months i just stopped hoping i hope my mulakat my wife will come i hope could hold a government where i get relief i stop that and that was one of the biggest lessons for me which i want to tell the people over here in this is that stop hoping here and everything will come to you because the day i stopped hoping the next thing i knew i was out of jail and i carried that on till today in my life i stopped hoping as as the buddha says expectations are the source of all suffering yeah same same logic but let's talk about the third phase and probably you know the final part of this conversation while i want to talk to you and i totally understand there's a time constraint today we will continue this conversation yes we have two years but i would


this conversation yes we have two years but i would like to hear about cancer because that happened later on in life after you've seen like this roller coaster for life then cancer happens what does cancer feel like on the inside especially mentally i wish this disease didn't exist for not only me but for a lot of people who suffer from it and who can't afford to be treated and i know somewhere out there in these pharma companies they have a cure for this but they don't release it and today sitting here i wish they can all hear it with my folded hands i request them all is that release that cure for cancer so that a lot of lives can be saved and everything's not about money and greed you made enough money out of it you've made enough money out of it but yes um it was a normal day in the lockdown and i walked up the steps and i was totally out of breath i had a bath i couldn't breathe i didn't


had a bath i couldn't breathe i didn't know what was happening and i called up my doctor in the x-ray my lungs were more than half covered in water so they had to tap the water out and [Music] they all were hoping that it was tb but it turned out to be cancer now how to break it to me that was a big issue you know i could have broken somebody's face so uh my sister gave him to me i said okay i got cancer now what so now then you start planning things and yeah okay but i did i did cry for over two three hours because i was thinking of my kids and my life and my wife and my everything you know just these flashes come you know and i said i got to stop uh getting weak so now i decided to bury the visa [Music] she is one of the most brilliant doctors i was recommended by rakesh roshan to meet her and she met me [Music] and i did the chemotherapy and i


me [Music] and i did the chemotherapy and i came back and i sat on that bike for one hour and a cycle and i did that every day and every day and every day and after every chemo i did that i did i mean it was crazy i used to go to keemon dubai i used to go into the badminton quads and play two three hours every day that is how you go to challenge this thing you know not today i've been two months i've been in the gym i lost nice weight i look good yeah getting my muscle back and getting to be my old self you know that sanjay that i want to be that sanjay that back what i'd let myself go yeah do you know this would go on a very long tangent in the conversation which we'll do the next thing yeah yeah what i appreciate about you is how openly you talk i've not had someone of your stature talk so openly to me ever and you're so transparent with things that's what i i


you're so transparent with things that's what i i genuinely from my heart i appreciate many more questions many more questions i want to get to know you much more deeply so but i've got to know you today it's enough it's a good start i think you also got to know what a podcast is yeah what is the podcast i enjoyed it man it's just a casual conversation yeah yeah very nice i loved it nice yeah uh lots to learn from you uh thanks for watching all the memories but above all thanks for opening up your heart yourself because i think it's from the gray lives and people's mistakes that the next generation really gets to absorb the best absolutely so i think you've done something good for a lot of kids are going through a lot right any signing of note for kids listening to this all i can say is that be strong listen to your parents study hard stay away from drugs and please don't follow my life because it's not a heroic life it's difficult


because it's not a heroic life it's difficult so learn from it but please don't follow it and how do you get swag like sanjay that natural layer goddess [Music] you're a great guy you're a clean-hearted person and i wish you the best i wish more of that shiva energy comes into your life every single day thank you so that was the episode for today spina sanjay that was one of the most chilled out experiences honestly when we went to shoot it was a sunday he was in the middle of promoting kgf2 and he gave us this slot for our podcast um he just has a very relaxed vibe about him no air no arrogance very bioga bhai energy and i love that he opened up so much on the show before the recording was telling me about all his adventures uh on his travels his love for animals and i feel there's so much depth inside him that this simple short episode couldn't bring out i do intend on bringing it out through another


out i do intend on bringing it out through another episode so for more conversations like this remember to follow trs on spotify every episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world sanjay dutt will be returning very soon on the runway show thank you for listening [Music] you [Music]


to be motivated is only beneficial to yourself find it wherever you can and run away from self-pity as fast as you can how do you feel when you're holding your baby in your arms best feeling in the world man it doesn't come back also no because they keep growing so you know you miss the one month version then you miss the six month version then you miss the one year version and you know it just keeps going it's that little guy is gone that little goto misha is gone the little chotus gone and now you know they're growing up so fast i am jealous like supremely jealous of you in one category man okay which is your marriage i'm gonna cuss it looks beautiful it's a necessary evil of life spoken about kapoor a lot on the show primarily as someone who's got dark horse energy inside him how's he sustained his 20 year long career how has he been able to be at the top how's he handled failure this conversation was a deep dive into


he handled failure this conversation was a deep dive into shahid kapoor's mind and what i found was samurai mentality what do i mean by that you'll have to check out the episode yourself for more deep conversations like this make sure you follow trs on spotify every episode's available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world shayat kapoor and renault thakur's new movie jersey releases on the 22nd of april make sure you go watch it and for now this is shahid kapoor on the ranveer show [Music] welcome to the ranvi show brother thank you so much brother pleasure how are you feeling i'm feeling good i'm feeling great nice and relaxed chilling with you looking forward to a fun conversation what are your expectations of this conversation my expectations i don't have many okay i'm i'm pretty wide open i'm i'm happy to do whatever it is that you want me to do where do you think it's going to go if you have i think i


it's going to go if you have i think i think it's going to be a conversation as opposed to uh you know boring questions with typical answers so that's actually a good thing i'm looking forward to that how does this life feel like you know when your movie is going to release and you're in the middle of promotions and you're constantly asked questions and all this attention's on you what does it feel like for the brain inside well if you're honest and you don't overthink it it's actually pretty smooth and if you if you're promoting something that you love um then it's always coming from a good place and if you're not kind of you know if you're not thinking about how tired you are but you're thinking about how many people you can take your film to uh then that's a better way of looking at it otherwise it can deplete you are you tired physically yes emotionally yes but i am all here no i i know i know that's that's the energy of trs but uh


know that's that's the energy of trs but uh i'll tell you why i'm asking you this sure so we podcasted with john abraham recently right and you were mentioned on the show you have been mentioned on this podcast really really yeah i think see with with brands and you are a brand in the public eye everyone has a narrative when they view the brand okay and i come from the marketing world right so if i view you your brand uh for me i and i'm not just saying this but i actually mean it like i feel like yo you have like a lot of dark horse energy and we've mentioned that on the show yeah i get that i agree with you yeah yeah and uh i know they've been like people who doubted you when you were younger et cetera et cetera many stages but you've come out of that through that same i think i've doubted myself also many times you still doubt yourself um there are moments yes when i doubt certain things but at the


yes when i doubt certain things but at the same time i am the kind of person who's very clear and self-assured i don't think i would have been able to live the life that i live and make the choices that i make and be who i am if deep down i wasn't but i would say that you know at points in time you know you start thinking in a flippant manner about how you have thought all through and who you believe yourself to be you just step away and you feel like does it make sense am i am i just thinking it or is that how it is uh you know so those moments happen but you have to kind of break through those moments it happens even now like as you grow older 100 man 100 like oh hey give me an example of how it happens now because i mean you've been in the industry for a while i'm sure you've seen lots of people come and go you've stayed so that's some sort of self-validation it doesn't


so that's some sort of self-validation it doesn't become easier to deal with the self-doubt you i don't look at it like that i kind of just um but validation is an interesting word uh it has so many uh things attached to it hasn't you don't you validate yourself key i have delivered in the past i have performed in the past i somehow don't really think so much about the past i uh because i already know that why do i need to repeat it to myself does it help you with dealing with your self-doubt as you've grown older i accept myself for who i am and where i am so i am ha i am like the idea is to is to appreciate everything that you've done um and to also absorb everything that you did wrong and to learn from that and to know that you're a man you've been here for a while you've done your stuff but there's still a very long way to go uh i asked there's still something i wanted to answer self


asked there's still something i wanted to answer self motivation self motivation um it happens in many ways for me um i get very motivated by the people around me um you know so now that i am 41 and my wife is 27 my brother is 26 my children are five and three uh my father's 60 plus i'm surrounded with so many different phases and stages of life like it's all around me man and it's so close to me i see people who've been working for maybe 10 years 15 years more than me who are still successful in doing well i see people who came 10 years after me who are doing as well and sometimes even better than what i'm doing after 20 years of work um i see people who've been here for as long as me who nobody even remembers so it's all around you you know so motivation comes from so many things around you you know to be motivated is only beneficial to yourself find it wherever you can and run away from self-pity as fast as


can and run away from self-pity as fast as you can because the only thing it does is that it gets you absorbed in a negative emotion where you blame everything except learn to make a change which is within because the only thing that can help you is yourself how do you look so young bro [Laughter] for real though how do you how do you look is it the vegetarian some some some changes definitely but i think eventually it's it's all in your soul it's in your heart it's uh it's the emotions that drive you you know like i focus on my children a lot because they there's so much pure energy out there you know and it's just an adult unadulterated uh raw beautiful emotion you know so it's like i feel enriched whenever i spend time with them it takes me back to the version of me that i loved the most which was the child version of me where everything was amazing uh you know so so i just try and focus on that physically um


so i just try and focus on that physically um i'm pretty disciplined when it comes to sleep now i used to be a complete insomniac and then i flipped that after i had my kids because you know i decided that i need to run my day according to them because they can't run it according to me right so so i went that way and so yeah and i'm vegetarian i don't drink and i i been a smoker on and off but now for a few years i haven't smoked i think kabir singh kind of did it for me i can't i can't i'm done bro i'll say i was done do you think about convincing a lot i think about i mean it's it's like it's like this huge mountain that i just you know crossed or like this huge peak that i uh came on to you know so so of course it's it's right there in my mind uh but it's behind me you know yeah it's beautiful to look back at things that you've


it's beautiful to look back at things that you've done but don't put them in front of yourself you meditate i do yes every day i mean i don't like discussing it too much in detail because i i feel like it's something so private but yet that is that is a big part of my life it will help people if you put it out yeah it is a big part of my life and it's kept you it's kept you best thing you can do yeah 100 wake up in the morning do your meditation get a workout you're good to go uh you know how like everyone has a biological clock but for women people talk about it a lot more you won't be able to have babies after a certain point yeah i feel like even guys have some sort of a biological clock yeah in terms of you crave fatherhood you crave stability yeah and for sure i don't have time for a personal life but i think about fatherhood a lot as a concept that's what i want to ask


lot as a concept that's what i want to ask you yeah what's fatherhood like and why should a man crave it versus when when do you know you're ready for it so i think firstly it's very personal and uh i think marriage and uh being a parent are two things you can never truly be prepared for because you can't know how to deal with something till you do it you know um it's like the difference between concepts and reality theory and you know practical experience you can tell somebody how to drive a car all you want in every possible detail but somebody who's driven it still knows how to do it even though they might not be able to express how they do it and that's kind of what parenting is like once you get there you figure it out how do you feel when you're holding your baby in your arms the best feeling in the world man best feeling in the world nothing like it ever that you're nothing nothing and it doesn't come back also no because they


nothing and it doesn't come back also no because they keep growing so you know you miss the one month version then you miss the six month version then you miss the one year version and you know it just keeps going it's like they just keep growing bigger and you feel like you know that that little guy is gone that little goto misha is gone that little chotouzen who's gone and now you know they're growing up so fast so you know it just your parents tell you all the time you know that you know and you feel like ah whatever and then when it happens to you as a parent you're like man i know exactly what they're talking about you know they say that even our parents like uh who are probably 16 or 17 now they're also still growing up and we need to keep that mind they're now growing down you know it's like you go from being a child to an adult and then you start becoming a child again so i really feel that's true you know they


again so i really feel that's true you know they become i don't know if it's getting closer to god or it is just i don't know what it is but it's just that you know the way i look at it i think your senses get withdrawn from the world like your eyesight your ears all those senses go inwards towards what's inside you probably which is which is god yeah i guess do you feel you're growing up in the process of having kids like how are you growing as a person now i was kind of ready for it i think for a while because when it happened it felt very smooth for me like i um i think a part of me was craving and waiting for it and so i just it was like i was like a fish in water why were you craving for it i don't know i think i was just wanting a normal family life and i wanted uh you know i wanted my unit and i wanted uh you know that feeling of a complete home you


uh you know that feeling of a complete home you know that's the best feeling in the world and i was living on my own for a very long period of time and i many times had nobody to share my happiness and my sorrow with in fact i told my wife this you know i told meera i said that you know i i won every possible award for heather that year and i specifically remember one time because you know these awards happened at bkc uh you know and i was driving back and it's a long drive back it was late at night and you know my award was lying on the next seat next to me and i was sitting in the rear passenger seat and i was like but like who do i share this with like who i share truly share how i'm feeling with yeah you can talk to your mom you can talk your dad but to have somebody you share life with who's you know your partner in life i was that was the first day i was like


i was that was the first day i was like i think i'm done with this phase like i think i want to share now this individual phase of my life of of being all about myself uh in whatever way i mean i think i you know we go through that phase where you are at the top of your own mind and you need to discover yourself you need to find yourself i was like yeah i i need somebody to share now you know i was ready for it yeah i think these questions are coming from the same place man feeling the same sharing emotion at this point which is why i have more questions it's the difference between pleasure and happiness you know they say pleasure is very personal emotion it's like dopamine and they say happiness is an emotion that can only be shared it's like serotonin so you know and and joy is the emotion that is actually there even after the happiness absolutely absolutely i am jealous like supremely jealous of you in one category man okay which is your marriage


you in one category man okay which is your marriage like okay it's just why why why are you jealous it looks like i'm gonna cuss it [Laughter] being like single in your 20s or dating in your 20s yeah i was dating in my 20s mostly getting married yeah uh what's that difference why why do so many indian men so much all over marriage dude like what's the what do you mean over it i don't know i don't know why people i mean usually tell people you suffer no i think i don't know bro like so your question is what what about marriage like what's your question how does that change you how did that change me oh man that was my first big shift and then being a parent was like a complete shift the best times in your life are when you are thinking for others the best version of yourself when you're thinking for others first you know and uh that's what marriage teaches you it teaches you i mean you're a dude right i mean it starts


mean you're a dude right i mean it starts with your wardrobe and like your bed and you know your morning habits and your preferences in food and you know how you like to use your time and you know all that is not your own thing anymore you have to share it with someone and then you have to learn to find that balance you know because um you don't want to lose yourself and you don't want the other person to feel uncomfortable at the same time right so and because mine was an arranged marriage you know so it was not like a love marriage or like friends who've known each other for a long time choose to settle and live their lives together or you know it's none of those things it was an arranged marriage we met all of like 10 times you know before we got married uh why why did you choose mira i didn't choose her i mean maybe you should ask her why she chose me i was 13 and a half years older than her why did i


and a half years older than her why did i choose each other i didn't we just kind of met through family and uh we were unassuming enough to be open to meeting each other and uh we got along from the time we met and yeah it just happened dude it happened some connection and chemistry yeah i guess i don't know like it just it happened it was meant to happen i when i look back at it even i wonder oh yeah you know but what did she bring she must have brought something to your life and your mind so many things yes she's she's bringing so much she'll continue to bring and i think we are both bringing a lot to each other okay uh you know we're kind of i think we're really good when we are together we're good for each other we fill each other's gaps really well but that also means that we're very different from each other you know so if we get stuck we can just stay stuck you know because we're so different but


stay stuck you know because we're so different but if we choose to like merge into each other then we form a really like like a perfect fit like that so we have both types of days we have days where we're just amazing with each other and we have days where we just don't get each other let's talk about lifestyle choices how did you build that kamine body and the ursa punjab body on a vegetarian diet what did you eat man i used to eat the same thing day in and day out for months i'm not done that i can't do that anymore you know you've been veg throughout your life no i was very i turned vegetarian when i was 20 okay before that i pretty much eat everything so at least in your film career you've been vegetarian yeah all through all through from the time i debuted i was vegetarian when you have to actually put on muscle as a vegetarian what do you end up eating a lot of protein and you train a lot and it happens like


and you train a lot and it happens like paneer tofu there's so much vegan stuff that you can eat today you know you want to get protein you can get it from so many sources i mean they're vegan sources you don't even need to go to milk products you don't need to go to whey protein for example there's enough vegan protein out there there's pea protein there's you know tofu there's there's edamame there's it's a lot of this lot right now are you comfortable sharing like just a day's outline say if you're beefing up for a project what would you eat from like breakfast i can't beef up anymore i i really can't because like it doesn't suit my system anymore i can't eat large amounts of protein and actually i went through a phase i was a skinny kid okay so i went through a phase where i just wanted to look big because like i wanted to like change that about myself and then when you do that it takes a


myself and then when you do that it takes a toll on your system you know so in your 20s and 30s you can do it but later on because you push so much into your system so many carbs and this and you're trying to be somebody or not you know and now i i'm really enjoying being my natural self like i think i feel my best version because i'm just being me and i'm not a very big built guy i'm a boyish frame lean guy and i just want to be the best version of that i don't want to become somebody i'm not so i you know my philosophies might not be the types that will give people some goals but i think that's the best goal and eventually i came to that place where i was like i'm gonna be the best version of me whatever is me is me and i'm gonna make that worth it what i sense from you after exchanging energies like this is that you have your mental health in check dude like i


you have your mental health in check dude like i think i do and i don't sense that from a lot of people in your industry honestly yeah uh i think i'm there now i i wouldn't say i was there always i feel very centered um and i and i feel like i'm keeping it simple and uh you have to push the noise away man what do you mean the noise dunya the stuff that doesn't matter that you think matters to figure it out which is how simple stuff matters okay really we we we overthink the out of everything you know when when you start thinking less doing more feeling more following that inner voice that comes to you um and just going with it just go with it don't fight it so much push hard but go with it dude like in i mean i knew that this was the answer two years ago but what helped me a lot was stretching and doing yoga getting into that yeah of course that's amazing yoga is amazing i think it's hugely therapeutic


is amazing i think it's hugely therapeutic did it do the same for you i haven't been able to do it in a sustained manner because i've not had the time but i think yoga i did it for a few months during during the lockdown it's the best thing that i did man it's it's so beautiful and it's so superior to so many other these really cool you know forms of physical whatever exercise or whatever you want to call it but yoga is so superior because it's mind body and soul it's like you know all three dimensions are being covered and that's how it harmonizes everything i really want to get intrusive with you and ask you you're doing some right in your lifestyle uh i don't know what you're doing i've spoken to too many people from your industry to know whose lifestyle is in check versus who's not okay what are you doing in your lifestyle like what what's your exercise like you must be doing some stretching or something that's helping with your mental


some stretching or something that's helping with your mental health you don't need to do physical things for mental health you need to do spiritual things for mental health because it's the mind and the soul are two totally different entities which survive in the same physical body that you're in you know and the mind is everything outward and the soul is everything upward you know so the more you connect with your soul it actually keeps your mind calm because the mind is a beast will eat you up and you know that calm mind also becomes an armor in terms of calm mind is great because it's you can't absorb anything you can't receive anything if you're so busy shouting and you know moving around you need to be still mind needs to be still yeah everything will come to you when your mind is still you can't go to things things will come to you what i'm going to say might sound like is the end of the conversation but it's not okay i want to get to the core of


not okay i want to get to the core of kapoor honestly i'm loving this firstly secondly uh this energy about you this shanti inside you i sincerely hope like as a human being it never leaves you man and i hope so yeah it's not something that i can't say i was like this always i think you know it's just in a good place right now i'm feeling good about it and i hope that it stays to you the follow-up saval i have is what does this level of fame feel like because see you're you're one of the stars and there's there's only position for like this and there's like five or six positions open for indian men in india this way you know at the top of bollywood and a lot of people who get into acting or the film industry don't get into it for their passion they get into it to be a star you're already there so what does fame feel like there like what do you learn about that kind of fame after so many years


learn about that kind of fame after so many years it feels normal if i may be very candid and that's not necessarily a good thing because you should always be reminded of the fact that you're privileged to be where you are when you do the same thing over a period of time it starts feeling normal it doesn't feel special anymore will always you do when you chase it and we chase it we always chase it and different stages we chase success and that's why it doesn't come to us i mean with youtube you see a very soft version of him and it's very nice fame honestly dude it's like the kind of fame where you get to experience your life you get to walk on the road but also you get adulation when you're on the road from people whose lives you've really like touched so it's very gentle nice fame it's kind of it's a kind of fame like when you're a kid you ask god for fame and he gives you the nicest version


for fame and he gives you the nicest version of it i mean i'm sorry why do you want fame i don't want fame dude so what do you want uh as a person i want honestly i just i know it sounds very preachy and all that but this is from a spiritual place i'm chasing fame because i want to build orphanages which will happen through money which will happen through the fame like that's my that's honestly what it is nice uh but i know my fame is also rising and the more it rises the more i sense that people want to take pieces of me away from me and i know you've been through that journey like you must be sensing some other version of that because every conversation with nobody can take something you're not ready to give if you choose a side stick to that side it starts getting simpler might not get easier gets tougher but gets simpler why has shahid kapoor the guy in the aryans video become the 41


the guy in the aryans video become the 41 year old what are the three things that have got him jersey on the 22nd of april yes i have to plug it brother it'll be good it'll be good what's the question have you become this guy how have i become this guy three things that made you become this guy man it's like a really hard question to answer a lot of grace of god because i'm very thankful for where i am and i don't think i could have done it without some higher power guiding me through it and bringing me to where i am you know um a lot of questions like how you said you have a lot of questions i have a lot of questions and when you find try finding answers your search begins so i think i am i'm searching for the truth and starts with small things and goes to deeper things and then it goes to the ultimate truth why we're here what is this all about um and uh karma you know just doing


all about um and uh karma you know just doing right on to your karma being the best version of yourself are you fascinated by psychology as a subject not so much but i think i have a natural kind of tendency of thinking about things which would fall in that category but i don't chase it as a subject so one the father of psychology is this guy called freud yeah of course this guy called freud all right brother the guy called friday a guy called freud said that um i mean so he studied a lot of minds over the course of his life and when he was a kid i mean when he was a kidney yeah i'm getting carried away in this vibe but freud said roy said that everything we are especially i mean this is not exactly what he said but this is what i understood from like reading about freud as much as i did a lot of our behaviors and thought patterns depend on how our childhoods work yeah of course they say 90 of


childhoods work yeah of course they say 90 of your personalities formed in the first seven years of your life and the rest of your life you're just dealing with who you are yeah uh in the first seven years of my life so that made me think of my own life and i thought okay what happened my parents or hustlers didn't have the money they made it but initially they didn't have the money they were really ambitious themselves and obviously that energy went to my sister and myself and that's why both was also like really about putting in the hard work etc uh secondly i went to like com competitive schools where there was a sports culture there was a studying culture and i think that environment made me like a very not competitive person but very harsh on myself kind of person and i had to really work out those demons as i got older because it started becoming a lot how was your childhood like why you why why did you become so ambitious i'm not that ambitious or


become so ambitious i'm not that ambitious or maybe i am i don't know actually i've not figured that part yet childhood was it was amazing in some ways it was very difficult in some ways um it was not regular because my parents separated when i was three and i stayed in delhi with my maternal grandparents and then my mom came to bombay and so i came to bombay and i had to adjust to a different city and i didn't have my extended family with me and uh yeah so i think i saw a lot in the first 20 years of my life only you know when they say that you start discovering your life after you become 20 i think i saw a lot before 20. um so that's a large part of who i am uh you know and it's a great part of who i am because [Music] the mind and the heart see the mind is so sharp and the heart is so pure that when good questions come at an early age you know the search becomes


come at an early age you know the search becomes uh very nice that's that's how i would look at it do you mind sharing like the most difficult question that came to you because i think it'll help people why do things happen to me which i'm not responsible for like why do bad things happen to me because i was a kid right so anything that happened which was out of my control uh which was a decision which i didn't take my question was why is it affecting me you know so that was something i used to think about a lot okay why is this happening to me but i didn't do anything like so why is it happening to me i'm not even at an age where i can't do anything so why is it happening to me uh you know and that's where you know i started understanding the concept of karma and about life and about you know consequences and you know it's much deeper stuff but what would the 41 year old shahid kapoor go say


would the 41 year old shahid kapoor go say to that kid you did well bro good job i'm thankful for you for you choosing the side you did because i feel good about where i am today so you know i think that kid was a good kid any advice for that kid no why i think any advice for that kid would be just just there's always somebody looking there's always a higher power taking care of you if your intent is good might be a really really windy road but you'll get there i have a lot more questions but i'm very conscious of the time dude and uh i sense that you know you want to keep a big part of your life private and i respect that a lot uh it's good i don't know i thought i spoke a lot no depends on your standards there's no there's no there's no issue with what you spoke man i'm saying as a person uh now here's one reference i have uh it's like from indian culture you know in in


it's like from indian culture you know in in ganpati how like one task is long and one task is short the significance of that is this is a part of you that should be out there for the world and part of you that should just be for yourself and your loved ones that's nice i didn't know that but that's great to know so uh i sense a lot of that shorter task in you and i think it's protected it's got you to where you are as well because that's your place of safety so i respect that man thank you brother and i respect you for having opened up as much as you did uh too many more questions to ask you too many more things to tell you which i'll do another one soon brother yeah for sure looking for is this good for you this is great i enjoyed it i hope you guys enjoyed it and i hope the people who watching it enjoyed it and listening to it enjoyed it i think that matters more but this was


it i think that matters more but this was fun i just want to say thank you man and sorry about the commotion yesterday no not at all i'm sorry i'm sorry for the delay yeah the fact that you had to come today no nothing like that uh it was worth it uh i'll be i'll be very frank with you uh i was just very uh you know i was in like 20 places yesterday thank you but when i saw you and when i sensed like the energy in person in a very brotherly way my heart melted i was like like and i get i get your artist right like in terms of if you're not in the right mind space i don't want to have a conversation like this right so you have that heart melting effect even on brothers but this is thank you i wish you the best and this aura of shanti inside you may be in you for the rest of your life even beyond the day you die thank you so much awesome thank you pleasure pleasure thank you


so much awesome thank you pleasure pleasure thank you so that was the episode for today as with every single episode i had one single takeaway from this one as well and for me it was the concept of stillness that's why i call it the samurai mentality episode because in order to be an efficient warrior who's capable of surviving who's capable of conquering who's capable of finding that fighter spirit within his or her own heart you've got to have stillness inside you first and that's what i gained from shahid kapoor i also feel he's got a bunch of more podcasts and a lot more perspective inside him so i want to welcome him back to the ranvi show once again but for now if this is the first episode of the nvidia show that you're watching why is that firstly but secondly make sure you go follow us on spotify our entire library is available on spotify and because we're a spotify exclusive every single episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else


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the ranvi show is always known for its spiritual conversations that wasn't my intention when we began this podcast but i'm glad that it's one of the brand identities today this episode features a moog leela prabhu of iscon we've had a lot of iscon monks in the past and trust me these iscon monk themed conversations are always some of the most iconic this one's no different i'm not going to talk too much about what we spoke but what i will say is that you will enjoy the conversation and you'll gain depth as well as answers out of this particular conversation remember to follow trs on spotify whereas spotify exclusive which means that every episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world and for now this is amoog leader prabhu on the runway show [Music] i am so happy to be with you today really it's an honor for me hari krishna krishna i'm having on one of the most tired days of my life and


one of the most tired days of my life and the moment you walked into a house i have this surge of energy your camera what is this magic you gave me a hug and now i'm feeling i'm feeling good again ah it's a compliment indeed but i think you're already blessed so cry doesn't go to me i think it is your humbleness i don't know what it is you know any monk that i've met generally of any faith i've met buddhist monks i meant monks from iskcon i've met monks from south india you know i men monks were not even associated with any spiritual movement but all of you have some different kind of energy levels energy definitely there's a vibe cathay you'll have a different vibe for sure but i don't know how your energy levels are through the roof you all can keep working you can you know even i know that even if you have the same conversation at 3am or 4am you'll have the same energy oh yeah


or 4am you'll have the same energy oh yeah actually yes that's true so let's talk about energy levels this is an issue for so many people yes in the modern day how do you all do this what is the secret actually you know um like there is a very beautiful analogy it uh it is like when the spark is near the fire so it illuminates it is illustrious and when the spark is away from the fire then it extinguishes it loses its cluster so more we are closer to god we naturally we are illumined we shine we are effulgent we are illustrious more we go away from the grace of god so then we feel sad we feel morals we are dark and then we need this fair and lovely and fair and handsome but in case you are connected to the grace of god so by his grace we are also doing just like being in the sun we are clearly visible we become a falcon because there is sun in darkness you all are black so certainly in


in darkness you all are black so certainly in case the monks were having energy so the credit goes to the supreme lord and his grace so this applies to anyone not just monk even a householder if he is near to the lord then of course he can also be rejuvenating always very fresh feel energized uh lives on next level of consciousness that would naturally be there so what does it mean being closer or far away from god what are the activities that take you further away or bring you closer yeah you know we have got various levels of our existence like we have physical existence we have mental existence we have intellectual existence we have egoistic existence and ultimately we have spiritual existence more we offer our existences in the service of the lord the more we saturate them with his glories with his name with his form with his qualities with his pastimes with his leaders with his paraphernalia with his grace with his uh uh exchanges then we feel that that that saturation at all


then we feel that that that saturation at all these levels makes person shine naturally shine what is god so god of course somebody may say god generated operator destroyer so that's as a function god is there but but god is certainly much more than this god in sanskrit is known as bhagavan so just like there is means the one who has done the one who has wealth if somebody is bhagivan that means the one who is having good fortune so bhagyavan vidyawan somebody is having vidya knowledge similarly bhagavan bhagavan means the one who has bhag bhag means aishwarya opulence grandeur majesty and that to all of them and that to forever and that to in completeness that is god so what we have is some some sparks of his grace and of his opulences say his opulence of beauty his opulence of fame his opulence of wealth his opulence of knowledge so these are the different opulences of the lord and we also get some small sparks of it so we


we also get some small sparks of it so we become famous somebody's very beautiful somebody's do that so that person is attractive somebody's very famous that person is attractive just imagine if all of these attributes are in fullness in somebody and that to forever how much attractive would that person be and that is god so i have to ask you this obvious question this is something that a lot of people ask and i also feel the same when i was a teenager and a college student i felt key when i went out into the professional world met interesting people had interesting conversation read interesting books i realized what god is but a lot of counter questions about the subject of god is that the evil we see in the world the bomb class you know the crimes yes the the pain in the world generally the misery not even what humans have to go through even what animals have to go through is that also a doing of god if god is the all-powerful almighty okay so how how what is


all-powerful almighty okay so how how what is his role when it comes to the evil okay actually evil is nothing but the absence of god so god has created evil by his own absence so when we choose absence of god we automatically choose evil when we choose presence of god automatically evil is gone just like when i choose light automatically darkness is gone there is no question of darkness in front of light obviously which is natural so similarly evil cannot exist in the presence of god when we choose absence of god automatically there is rise of evil because he will says oh there is no protector good here we can rule so then we see that evil is ruling because we choose absence of god like that's why we see that evil is mostly there in materialistic societies because people are mutualistic so then evil them evil guides their intelligence their mindset their value system is completely guided by evil because they have chosen absence of god they have to simply choose light darkness would naturally be gone how


simply choose light darkness would naturally be gone how does god exit a place you know that's that's like how does god exit someone's mind is it because the chase for material wealth and the chase for your own ego yeah it does that replace your chase for god because i'm assuming that you know when you see children yeah there's no child that's really evil inherently like rarely do you see a child that's evil then as you grow up uh that's why evil starts kind of coming in in any form and you know no matter how good you are as a person i mean if you're a monk it's a different thing but a normal a person who lives in the material world yes uh there is some amount of evil that creeps in in some form it could be small anger small greed small lust small jealousy yes so among children there is no such evil there is innocence but since there is innocence but without knowledge there's no knowledge in children but there is innocence that's why they


in children but there is innocence that's why they are very vulnerable to evil that's why children are very impressionable so we are we are to be very very conscious in terms of giving them kind of association because they are very impressionable evil can also make an impact even divinity can also make a similar kind of impact so that's why we are to be very very conscious in parenting especially in early days that's why they're used to many sanskars this car that sanskar so that right from very beginning good sun scars the good vibrations the good energies the grace can be given more and more and more and more so that's the case for the children as we grow up then we also start using our intelligence and when we start using our intelligence then we have the choice to choose presence of god or absence of god this choice is always there with us and that's why you'll see any time when we are choosing evil that inner voice of the super soul paramatma is saying hey don't


the super soul paramatma is saying hey don't do that that's wrong that's wrong don't do that but still we say no i want to have fun i want to have fun and then we choose that and that absence of god so then god still doesn't really kush us then there is guilt also why did you do man why did you do just for this cheap thrill nonsense nonsense why again why again this guilt is again coming from the super soul krishna says that he's a super soul in everyone's heart so that means so god is not relinquishing us but yes as we grow that choice is always there but when we keep choosing absence of god so next time the guilt is lesser lesser lesser lesser and finally then there is no guilt like many terrorists when they do when when they do any kind of crime then there is no guilt they say how much how many did you hey 25. i'm 30 i killed 30 men there is no guilt that means a super


30 men there is no guilt that means a super soul has now completely they are disassociated with the super soul that's the thing so choice what happens to those souls which souls the soul of say a terrorist of course everyone has to face the consequences for every action there is equal and opposite reaction the newton's law is actually law of karma so they have to face consequences this is from the garud quran this is from bhagavad-gita what does the bhagavad-gita say bhagavad-gita says that we all are responsible for our own actions of course we are driven by our association as well the association of the mode of goodness or passion or ignorance satogan rajo guntham but ultimately there is the the accountability is there on us first we choose the three modes and then these three modes choose our actions and then we have to face the consequences first we make our habits and then our habits make us but then we have to face the consequences because ultimately i


we have to face the consequences because ultimately i chose certain kind of habits so that's what then we are to be accountable when we do good deeds then piety there is there uh good life good fortune is there and when we do empires activities and then there is impiety there is misfortune there are curses there is darkness there is suffering that's it naturally so but what is the suffering that will pay back 30 deaths you know if you've caused 30 deaths in the world yeah will you die badly in 30 lifetimes like is it yeah of course why not like sometimes we see that young children they also die and we say well what was their fault they were innocent children but we never know in past life uh this person was a person who aborted the child you know we can't afford this child uh yeah i bought the child but what was the fault of the child so somewhere i did the violence so uh so repercussion would be there in whatever form it


so repercussion would be there in whatever form it would be there within the form of disease it can be in the form of uh crazy parents it can be in the form of um bad association impoverished childhood either of this permutation combination depending on one's karma um yeah so the mother nature decides that it's beyond our comprehension but nobody can escape the laws of the nature because nature is working under god so nobody can ask him somebody may escape the law of justice the state law but not the laws of nature nobody can escape like uh he asked he said what was the sin i did that i had to face the suffering of the deaths of hundred sons and then the lord krishna said well if you go to fifty first lifetime back if you see you killed 100 children of a bird i said but why took 50 lifetimes in he said lord krishna said you took 50 lifetimes to accumulate piety so that you may have 100 sons so you got 100 sons and then


have 100 sons so you got 100 sons and then that karmic reaction was also waiting there in the stack which you are to face as well so so both he had to face can i ask you a deep question yeah sure please go ahead what do you think your past was before this life that in this life you chose mango i don't know my parents told me i don't know how far is that true they said they told me that i am i'm being a monk from past three lifetimes because you know i'm from punjabi family and uh but that punjabi factor is not very much there in my character so they said well he's a corrupt punjabi he's not really really a punjabi what's what's wrong with this guy so then they went to some astrologers some i think they went to some somewhere in gujarat or uh some nadi ved some nadi jyotish so he told that he's a monk from past two lifetimes and he's completing his journey and this is


and he's completing his journey and this is the last life this was told by him i don't know how much we can trust this information but um but i did not know but yes i feel that this life is especially blessed i don't know whether i might be a monk i mean i might be a monkey quite possible uh but certainly this life is full of grace of god and especially the devotees of los sri krishna have given me a lot of blessings and that is most precious and i treasure the most so you know little while back we spoke about children and childhood i remember one of my earliest memories in life is me looking out of the window i was very young i was probably like maybe four years old maybe three years old and i remember this very clearly i asked my mother that what is this place we live in and she said that we live in mumbai and i said that what does that mean and then my next question was why am i selected to


then my next question was why am i selected to be in mumbai because in movies i would see new york i would see delhi so i asked her that why why am i here and she told me no no why are you asking all these questions just whatever had drink your milk and go away you know and a lot of children are kind of stopped uh when they're young from asking like the deeper questions and they are the adults who who start podcasts and talk about spirituality i have to ask you about your childhood so like did you did you ever look at your own hands because i actually remember by the age of 13 or 14 i remember getting some a group of friends together and all of us had all these similar questions and all these guys have become spiritual now in life but at the age of 12 or 30 we'd look at our own hands and say what is this vessel i'm stuck in what is this what are these four fingers what does it mean that the clothes you're


fingers what does it mean that the clothes you're wearing are orange and color what does it mean that you're in this body you know all these weird questions the questions behind the questions behind the questions yes yes did you ever have those moments when you were a child and you just questioned that about your reality uh yeah i used to question the reality but at the same time i used to have the sense of gratitude towards the god at that time i did not know that who was god so for for a while i chose lord shiva but yes i had the sense of gratitude because i could see that god has given me healthy body when you were a child when i was child i god has given me healthy body dc's free body i was very good in sports whether it was cricket volleyball football indoor games or outdoor games ex tempore singing dancing so i was good at that so i could see that god has given me so much but but i should also give something in return


much but but i should also give something in return to god so i used to question the reality on this level that yes this is coming from god for sure as lord krishna says in the gita purushram rishu abilities comes from me yes whatever abilities whether vocal abilities dancing abilities singing abilities drawings catching whatever it is it is coming from the supreme lord krishna but uh but i used to say that i used to think that god has given me so much but i'm such a thankless person i'm such an ungrateful person that god has given me so many good things good parents good sisters i was good in academics not really number one but i was like in top five good in sports everything good has god has given to me but i am such a rascal i don't even thank you to that person firstly i do not know who that person is so for a while i chose not shiva but i am so ungrateful i am so ungrateful any new achievement which would come in my


ungrateful any new achievement which would come in my life would suffocate me then just see god has given you this as well but you nonsense guy what have you given to god in return so that used to suffocate me so i used to see reality on this level that i should be grateful to god for this that i should be grateful god for this and that and so many things actually and that you that was a very beautiful feeling although it was really painful for me but that pain was also blissful because gratitude was such a it's such a beautiful feeling that if we have it for anyone anyone means anyone it really makes the heart blossom with goodness so so that's why i used to think like this so ultimate of course being a monk i could use all of these abilities which krishna has given to me back in the service of god and humanity so that is very fulfilling you know taking water from the ganges and offering back to the ganges so that is


and offering back to the ganges so that is very satisfying so same is my condition actually so i should see reality that yes things are there i could also see that god is the source but what are we doing in reciprocation so i used to think on this this level actually so how did you find your answers i used to go to various teachers has to go to various spiritual preachers of different religions different sects different societies ask questions and they would feel troubled so many questions man you are a question bank so have faith have faith man have faith but i would say yeah what to speak of you know having faith i would give my life i just want my questions to be answered but nowhere i could get all the answers to all my questions but at one place i got all the answers to all my questions and that in a very satisfactory way and that very scientific and bona fide answers when i came to the hari krishna devotees because the philosophy was based on


devotees because the philosophy was based on bhagavad-gita it was based on srimad-bhagavatam it was based on the timeless wisdom and that's why it had the perfect answers to all my questions so i used to see that so that's why i would go to various teachers although many of them were very good and their character was very good some of them they were ignorant some of them were pseudo teachers as well some of them were partially realized so they were they themselves were seekers some of them were struggling some of them were absolutely uh nonsense people as well but uh but yes finally i i could meet the one of my teachers those who are sincere devotees of the supreme court so what is the srimad bhagavatam like people know about the bhagavad gita could you explain this if i say it's like it's a in terms of knowledge in terms of content like that and uh it contains 18 000 verses among the 18 puranas it is known as the king


among the 18 puranas it is known as the king of puranas and in fact it is grand raj in the in the age of kaluga it is the most reliable scripture and that too it has its content is not you know karam khan and all of that it is just pure bhakti bhakti pure devotion to god so that science is very beautifully explained uh in srimad bhagavatam in fact uh scripture also mentioned that the religiosity the piety has taken shelter of shrimad bhagavatam in telugu in fact mentions that bhagavatam is grand theft auto sri krishna there are 12 cantos or 12 volumes in the bhagavatam first two cantus are krishna's lotus feet third fourth kantura krishna's thighs fifth cantu is krishna's belly six grand twist krishna's beautiful chest which is the palace of love for his devotees seventh and eighth century krishna's arms ninth cantus krishna's neck 10th centuries krishna's beautiful


krishna's neck 10th centuries krishna's beautiful face eleventh kantos krishna's forehead and twelfth cantu is krishna's turn made above and flowers so if somebody is reading srimad-bhagavatam somebody is actually reading the character of krishna so bhagavad-gita is the vaani of lost krishna shreema bhagavatam is the character of lost krishna so that is so that ways bhagavad-gita so bhagavad-gita can be taken as a graduation so bhagavad-gita is like post graduation so so from the srimad-bhagavatam what did you gain as a person in this life in this life uh knowledge uh bona fide science or devotion to god all the doubts getting cleared but was there some specific lesson that helped you uh well there are many many lessons you know many in terms of integrity in terms of communication uh in terms of decision making so bhagavatam is like compendium of spiritual sciences so all these wonderful conversations which are there between the


all these wonderful conversations which are there between the sages between the the lord and the devotee so all these conversations these conversations are so much full of knowledge and divine knowledge that so much is there to learn that you know one reading in fact three readings are also not sufficient and it is the level of this this book is so exalted that after reading this book then one cannot read any other thing it is the highest class highest class are you okay sharing some recent lesson that you had from the srimad-bhagavatam okay maybe that that kind of helped you jump to the next level uh like they're beautiful prayers of uh mother kunti she says that oh lord let my heart be like a river that's like the river instantly flows towards the ocean and even though there are mountains in between but she dodges all these mountains and because of the desperate nature of the river finally the river meets uh the ocean similarly oh lord please also make my heart equally desperate for you


please also make my heart equally desperate for you that let me dodge all of these various obstacles whether bodily obstacles mental obstacles egoistic obstacles or society obstacles whatever they are let me dodge all of them and let me reach you so these kind of very wonderful prayers they actually give us a template that how to reach the lord very very wonderful like there is beautiful story of ajamil who was being very very sinful but how he received the grace of the holy name of the lord and this holy name actually purified him even though he named his child as narayan so used to call his son narayan come here narayan sit down narayan get up narayan your parent are meeting this purified him through such an extent that in the of life he was being saved from the greatest danger so these kind of lessons are are very very hope giving that what is the way we should live our lives he was living his routine life but what we are to add to it so that life


what we are to add to it so that life becomes more meaningful how we can make our life more sinless you know so these kind of things are there like one very beautiful lesson comes about from about gajendra gajinder is there in the river and he's fighting with a crocodile now generally speaking elephant is more powerful than crocodile but in the river the crocodile would be more powerful similarly the soul is more powerful than maya but since this place is of maya that's why here she would be more powerful but just like gajinder also prayed to the lord and then lord came to save gajendra he's in helpless condition similarly even though we may we might be in a precarious situation in this world we are struggling with our own selves and even though inherently we are more powerful than maya shakti but since she is completely surrendered to the lord and we are not that's why by praying to the lord we can ultimately become free from this


the lord we can ultimately become free from this illusory potency just like somebody visits somebody's home and then um there is doberman dog he pounces upon this person so then he just calls out the names of the name of the master he said sir please save me and then the master would say tommy get down get down get down [Music] so that's the way we are to save ourselves when we call out the names of the lord even though we are in this world we are struggling and we can become we can be victim of of uh evil any time but when we call out the name of the names of the lord then lord certainly helps the devotees and there are people who have been saved from depression darkness by chanting the names of the lord so it has happened actually so that so these are some of the less in this way when we dwell into various stories and so there are various lessons to learn do you by mistake commit any sins even now well um


by mistake commit any sins even now well um yeah i might have committed because as soon as we commit some kind of sin then there is uh then super soul says well this was not good say for example if i speak not in a way i should even to a taxiwala see i become rude you might you're cheating man so then this gives me uh a negative um vibration it gives an it makes a negative template in the in the consciousness so at that time i i just correct myself no this was not the way i should not go to these lower level of consciousness just for a few rupees some just 500 rupees no no not really worth so that's so super soul is educating within so these kind of small things may happen that i may speak something in a way which i should not have to a certain person even to someone an ordinary person so these kind of small sins may happen um so you know we spoke about gratitude a little while ago and i remember


about gratitude a little while ago and i remember when i started meditating in life i decided to meditate every day and i actually sat to meditate every day and i still feel karma after the meditation but i think on the 14th or 15th day like two weeks into meditating every day for 20 minutes i happen to read something on facebook or instagram about gratitude and i thought that okay today in my meditation let me begin by just saying a thank you to whatever the higher powers i didn't even want to call it god even though i knew somewhere in my heart that it is god i didn't know where it was i was just 22. and i think that's where my spiritual journey really started with the meditation yeah that's nice but on that particular day when i had that you know kind of underlying base of gratitude the meditation was deeper and by the time i reached about the 18th or 19th minute when my eyes were shut i just felt like someone had put a bright light


i just felt like someone had put a bright light in front of my face and i saw a lot of light i opened my eyes to see is the light on where it wasn't the light's off i closed my eyes and it was dark again but the moment i started meditating again the light came back on and then it stayed on and then it just went off after some time and then i realized okay i need to wake up out of this so i got up and i called up my mentor at that time my spiritual mentor i said that what is happening and he said that no seeing light in your meditation is a very good thing it happens to people i'm sure so you've experienced this multiple times yes yes and you know there are a lot of people who listen to this podcast who meditate i'm sure there are many people who've seen this level of light when they're meditating yes so what do you have to say about that light actually light is uh the first introduction to the


light actually light is uh the first introduction to the supreme lord lord is not just light we can't take god so lightly and god is just light god is much more than light actually just like just like in this studio there is light but light is coming from the bulb but somebody enters the room he may not see the bulb but you may just see the light well yes in the studio yeah light is there but light is coming from the bulb you will see that um in this world there are there is form as well as formlessness so light is formless but formless thing always comes from a form like for example my voice is formless but voice is coming from the person he's having a form that person is having a form just like air is formless but air is coming because of the fan but fan has a form the fragrance is formless but the flower has a form so from the flower comes a fragrance like for example say there is a bell so that sound is formless but that bell is


bell so that sound is formless but that bell is having a form but first introduction is so i got introduced to the formless aspect the sound or the fragrance but when we keep on meditating then we realize that actually god is not just light light is coming from some entity that spiritual divine entity and that is god so this is effulgence of the lord basically like in the chronicles of islam also like musa once he saw the lord he said that oh lord i want to see you and the lord said well you cannot handle my grace my false then no no i can handle i can do that and then lord said okay all right so he showed his personality and because a form was so effulgent so he could not handle it so that's why so he got fainted so lord said i told you that you cannot handle it he said oh lord kindly reduce this effulgence so that i can see you and similar thing also comes in ish in the scriptures where the devotee is


in ish in the scriptures where the devotee is saying oh lord please kindly reduce this effulgence around you so that i can see you so effulgence is coming from the lord that light is coming from the lord but that's the first introduction that's the first introduction but when we keep when we stay there and we pray to the lord that oh lord i know you cannot be seen on my own strength you can be seen only by your grace the sun can be seen only in sunlight there's no other way to see the sun i cannot take the candle let me let us see the sun where is the sun sun tomorrow morning sunrise on time all right you can't do that sun is only visible by its own sun by its own light similarly god can be seen only by his own grace nor by our own strength but yes but when we keep praying to the lord that oh lord i cannot see you i know this is your effulgence please let me penetrate through this if i'll just


please let me penetrate through this if i'll just and see your divine form then we can see the form actually actually there are four curtains between us and the lord and there are three curtains which are on our side and then there is one more curtain which is of his light that's the fourth curtain so somebody might have penetrated all of these curtains of saturation first is tamo then this rajo then there is sato and even after removing these three curtains there is still light the fourth curtain so again these curtains are also removed by the lord by the grace of the lord and similarly this curtain which is of the light is also being removed by the lord when he becomes very happy by our devotion then he makes us see his divine form so we have to persistently be there do not get settled with the light [Music] there's someone who from whom the light is coming but what do you make of it if you actually see the light in your meditation


it if you actually see the light in your meditation is that that's a sign for you to keep going yeah that means keep going you are in right direction that's the first introduction introduction move on and more you become the spirit of service in your meditation then he reveals his form otherwise if i just want to experience it what is meditation okay let me experience it so then god can just give the light part which is actually the light part like the lighter part his form is the heavier part he's having saturday that means he's having transcendental form and that's the bible also mentions god made man in his own image that means god also has image god is not formless god is having an image but his image is divine our image is made about flesh and bones but his image is divine sachitan in the vikram but that is also covered by there is a wheel of light but that's the first introduction so i think this podcast is becoming all about a journey about how to get


becoming all about a journey about how to get to god and i love it i think that this is a conversation that should be out there for audiences this is what the book the autobiography of a yogi is about this is a conversation that i've had with a lot of my mentors there was a mentor of mine who was inspired by actually if i i don't want to give details because people know who i'm talking about but there was this one particular mentor who had uh so i had asked him uh how do i let go of my vices that time i used to eat meat i had to drink alcohol like to smoke all of that and he said that as long as your wish is there of leaving the vices they'll leave like just keep praying for it and have that little ounce of willpower but don't put too much pressure on yourself to leave it my intention for leaving those vices was to actually get to god because i knew about this journey and the light and


i knew about this journey and the light and you know what's beyond the light but once he told me this i stopped putting that much pressure on myself and things actually left me there was that wish without the pressure now is that the way to de-addiction according to you is that the correct way of doing it because the way he told me was that um you know there are writers in the world and there are former like there are spiritual gurus who have lived on this earth who have said that every soul has its own unique journey and if you have certain habits or say if you see someone with certain habits you shouldn't push them into doing anything because that's their own journey yeah and and every time they're supposed to leave certain habits or gain certain habits it'll happen because of their own circumstances so i want to ask you your opinion on this is it will power or is it circumstances uh is it just the wish on the inside which becomes your real


just the wish on the inside which becomes your real world actions but when you you are chasing god in that direction how do you make that chase faster okay actually now a life lives on taste we all have like even vices have got a kind of taste you know anyone who is drinking wine and meat eating womanizing that has a taste actually but that's a low class taste but there are higher taste as well as soon as there is a higher taste you automatically relinquish the lower taste for example if somebody's very thirsty and there's a glass of water i would not like to leave this glass of water but in case there comes a mango shake i would happily give away this glass of water so it's all about taste so one can conquer the lower taste by cultivating the higher taste now the question is that how to get this higher taste by associating with those who have the higher taste but associated with the karo patty i can become a


associated with the karo patty i can become a crorepathy so that's why in case if i associate with someone who has got the higher taste then we also get that taste because the taste is contagious it's like lower taste is also contagious similarly higher taste is also contagious so we are to associate with people who are having the higher taste and that's why we see that somewhere somebody who was a thief who was a burglar or he was uh any kind of anti-social element or whatever he was but as soon as he gets association of some sage a saintly person a devotee of the lord then life changes because he somehow he got that taste the higher taste so life lives on taste so we should aspire for higher taste ultimately highest taste is in bhakti devotion to god so say if you are a kid who's going through some form of addiction and by addiction i mean it could be anything yeah even womanizing yeah even alcohol even actually hard


yeah even womanizing yeah even alcohol even actually hard drugs yeah that's true i've been through those journeys and i feel um the key is when a very close friend of family member comes and tells you that listen something's wrong and you have to change and that's actually what neuroscience says also that a trigger from someone who's close is a good indicator that something is going wrong in your lifestyle yeah when someone says that no you're doing this too much that's why you should wake up a bit but again i feel then after that point it's about what you said yeah it's about associating with people who've you know higher taste yeah who have higher taste yes um but what do you have to say to people who are going through addictions right now so anything else well i would say go for addiction go for a higher addiction don't go for the settle down with this low class addiction you know there are kind of intoxication which um which replenishes the person which uplifts the person and there are


the person which uplifts the person and there are also intoxications which destroys a person finished so you should not go for the low class intoxication go for high class intoxication like bhakti is also intoxication it's it's a kind of intoxicant actually but that's the real thing the soul becomes euphoric in this intoxication can you describe the nasha can you describe the intoxication because i know you're drinking that mango milkshake right now actually you know this this cannot be described this can only be experienced can can you try like sharing your experience in some words actually no taste cannot be described it tastes can only bread even gulab jamun cannot be described if i ask you describe gulab jamun you'll say you know well it is sweet that's sweet is also very sweet you know that that is very which is very juicy well rasgulla is also juicy well you will say probably you have gulab jamun that's it so taste cannot be described taste can be


it so taste cannot be described taste can be experienced but yes it is ultimate euphoria it is very very ecstatic it is full of gratitude it is very beautiful feeling very very beautiful feeling there is no lethargy there is no darkness there is no inertia this is [Music] the one who is really spiritually realized would be jolly i want to ask you about your client in this life was meditation the key factor in your climbing because what i've read is in the yoga that we live in and i don't know if we live in kalyuk because different you know to some extent i don't care what yoga is i want what i've read is that in the yoga that we live in um simple prayer with with you chanting mantras is not enough when you attach emotion to that mantra and understand your mantra becomes stronger yeah and similarly the best way of attaching emotion and intensity to any mantra is to actually meditate along with that mantra yes is that the


meditate along with that mantra yes is that the fastest way to climb that mountain um well i would say just like there are birds known as albatross they fly a very long distance south pole to north pole not go to south long distance they fly using their own strength but they are able to do so because they fly together because when they fly together then they see each other oh here is my partner he's also flying and the water oh he's also flying yeah so i should also fly this inspiration is coming from the partners the albatross partners so that's why similarly we do our sadhana our practices chanting the names of god we push ourselves we sacrifice things we do that but uh for that we need inspiration inspiration comes from association and so somebody will say okay i'll go to jungle i'll just chant the names of god and become spiritually perfect well not really because we need somebody we need somebody to take us across somebody to take us out of the quicksand


somebody to take us out of the quicksand of the lower modes it's like somebody's in a quicksand one cannot come out of the quicksand on one's own by one's own efforts we need somebody who's outside quicksand similarly we are also in the quick stand of mind and the quicksand of negative thoughts negativity there has to be somebody who is outside this quicksand and can and can give us the rope of hope the rope of mercy the rope of grace a rope of guidance and then take us out so that's why one just by being alone one cannot become spiritually perfect we need association of devotees and that's why earlier people used to travel you know like uh like meera bhai would travel all the way from from rajasthan to to vrindavan to have association i feel that if there's one thing you should learn from the last two years it's that you know you can lose a lot you can go through the worst kind of life but at the end of


the worst kind of life but at the end of the day there's no worse loss than the loss of hope and there's a lot of people living with that thought right now and some of them don't know what to do with the hope that they have and i would nudge people towards conversations like this as you said association uh just as i said when you know you met us outside i was very tired but just you walking into that room kind of gave me energy and that's energy on many levels it's not just physical energy thank you thank you thank you so uh so thank you for this particular episode any signing of note when it comes to this chase of god conversation well i would say uh utsa nishiat one should be enthusiastic about it one should be determined and one should be patient as well sometimes people when they do not um when they when they make endeavors but they're not really very enthusiastic they're very wishy-washy in their attempts on and sometimes they become impatient


in their attempts on and sometimes they become impatient as well you know i'm not becoming perfect man it's been three years it's been sweet it's been four years baba my hair my my my hairs are not standing on end there are no tears in my eyes there's still desert baba well and people become impatient so we have to realize that impatient means i am patient it takes time depending on the chronic nature of the disease so take some time so people should not become despondent and ultimately this human form of life is to fight the battle with the mind the rascal mind we have to mind mind the business mind your own business mind you have to do that and for that this battle is very is worth is very meaningful and even till our last breath if we are to fight this battle we should not feel disappointed fight it because in case you want your last breath to be full of satisfaction and you are done then before that we have to invest so much in the


before that we have to invest so much in the breaths before the last breath right there is roi return on investment so first we have to invest then there would be returns and then in the last breath so that's why keep fighting we should not remain slaves of the mind we have been slaves of the mind the rascal mind materialistic mind which which works under the hod the hrd's ego so we have to really fight it so do not be disappointed in your spiritual efforts and this human form of life is meant to revive our love for god and that love is divine that love is pure that love is intense that love is maddening that love would give ultimate fulfillment to us which we all are seeking in this world in the objects of this world but what we are seeking is the right thing but we are seeking a wrong place we want that pure divine intense maddening love for god and that is the ultimate spiritual perfection so we should aspire for it we should be


so we should aspire for it we should be desperate for it and that's the way we can make our spiritual maybe we can make this human form of life a great success so i wish all the very best to the viewers in their spiritual attempts especially to my dear ranveer thank you thank you for everything yeah thank you so much that was the episode for today immediately after this conversation we began a hindi podcast together like right after it so think of the hindi podcast as an extension of this particular conversation we went even deeper on hindi i feel this was a great podcast for people to begin the spiritual journey in some ways to find the answers to find the practical side of things the next one the hindi one is going to be about some deeper macro long term concepts remember for more spiritual conversations like this firstly get in touch with prs hindi the when we show hindi lots of spiritual content on that podcast secondly follow trs english on spotify every episode is available


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but why did you choose to marry kajol your wife i really don't know i mean we met we got along very well and eventually uh it was taken for granted that we will get married love transforms into something else partnership responsibility caring and that i would say is more stronger than love because if it's only love then it's not going to last you say good there is a reaction you say bad there is a reaction there is a reaction to everything something happens in the industry a person does something but the whole industry is a welcome to another episode of the ranvi show with ajay devgan this time someone i've been looking forward to speaking with for a very long time ever since i actually began these bollywood conversations a lot of people recommended that we get ajay they've gone on the show they said that no one's got insight like this man he's supposed to have mentored abhishek bachchan and rohit shetty two extremely successful men in the industry i wanted to get to know the mentor


the industry i wanted to get to know the mentor in him through this conversation and i think i kind of got to my goal why do i say kind of got to my goal you'll see it over the course of the conversation ajay devgan's new movie runway 34 is going to be released on the 29th of april make sure you check it out it looks incredibly promising and speaking about promising lots more promising episodes coming your way that's why you've got to follow us on spotify we're at spotify exclusive which means that every episode's available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world this is ajay devgan on the runway show enjoy yourselves [Music] welcome to the ranvier show thank you ranveer i've only heard positive things about you when i was doing research for this podcast because on this podcast it's much more about the human being behind the brand and that's why i think podcast culture is picking up so how do you feel being on a podcast for


so how do you feel being on a podcast for the first time i don't know you must have spoken to the right people if you've heard only positive things but i think everybody has something to say negative about somebody so it's just normal i mean you should not bother about it do you have anything negative to say about yourself uh yeah there's there are lots of things which i don't like about myself also i don't know how to talk about it but uh there's some things you want to you want to work upon work upon i think everybody needs to so like i stress too much i think that's not good for me uh i stress about my kids too much and that lands up in a mess sometimes you know you know how kids are today so uh yeah you have to you have to work upon things at this stage of my life as a man i'm trying to learn from older guys about just the process of aging and i hear a lot of people in their 40s in the early 50s say


people in their 40s in the early 50s say things like that about um the stresses of life like we even had john abraham yeah obviously uh when i was your age or you know until i was till you're till you're 40 45 you're still okay then the stresses start which is what so um just you start getting more responsible i think you start maturing a little more mentally so you don't take things too easily then i think it happens to everybody you start thinking about pros and cons earlier when we had a an action had a reaction it was just a reaction you know without thinking now every reaction you have to think about and that's how it goes and every time you think about a reaction obviously there are there are 10 takes to it so then you calculate you think i hear you sir uh i feel in your 20s and your 30s for people in general not just men everybody it's much more about career attention and you know where am i taking my life is that still


know where am i taking my life is that still alive like in your 40s and 50s do you still i think it i think it increases really i think it really increases in your industry in every industry i would say every industry or maybe also people start thinking that you know uh when you're when you're in your 20s and your 30s you're like then your responsibilities increase then if you get successful then there are more responsibilities so you have to you have to try and maintain your success and that requires a lot of hard work so so then you start uh you want to continue with it uh yeah and then then you get married and you have children and so it just keeps multiplying when you're all alone and you're not bothered about anything it's it's completely different i mean the thought process is completely different can you dial back to your single life and it's not about single or it's about uh getting married also it's just about uh i think that's that's the age 20 to 30 you


think that's that's the age 20 to 30 you don't you don't care you don't care much you don't bother about things you think uh you can you can you can handle anything then once you start growing up you start analyzing things and once you start analyzing things like i used to be a very rash driver i just drive very very fast but now when i drive uh i think area accident so you start getting careful and it is just a natural aging process it's got nothing to do with i am getting matured you're not getting matured it's with everybody i guess does marriage have an impact on the mind of course it does of course possible yeah positive of course positive uh can be negative also i mean it depends on how you take it you start stressing too much and you know responsibilities increase and then you sometimes start if you start coming under pressure then it can go the negative way but if you are if you handle it well then it goes a positive way so it just depends on


it goes a positive way so it just depends on yourself that how you're going to handle it i hear you and marriage is a concept i think about a lot i also want to tell you one thing this is just perspective exchange okay uh social media has like changed the way minds work your kids are technically gen z's very different from even my generation which is 90s born millennials and very difficult to have a have a rational conversation because they have their answers ready and strong opinions yeah strong opinions um you know and the things you said about being in your 20s i hear you and a part of me agrees a part of me disagrees because i feel like our generation grew up with social media as teenagers their generation your kids generation grew up with social media when they were kids so it's really molded our minds differently than your gender i totally agree i totally agree so while you said that in your 20s you're kind of brash and you don't care i feel


kind of brash and you don't care i feel millennials like 90s born kids care a lot and gen z's begin caring even when they're teenagers so just culture has changed a lot so and maybe the i'm not i'm not discounting the stress you feel in your 40s and 50s no i just feel that you're right they have started uh thinking about things a lot more uh but not necessarily in uh every aspect of life i would say you know uh how do i put this they would they would not think about what they want to the gen z is also i mean in some ways their thinking is very very sensible and very very much more sensible than what we used to be but in some things they they really don't care you know it's like when you talk about their future and things like this they are still they're living in their own world in this maybe social media world or whatever so uh so there is a problem somewhere also and there is a positive somewhere else no no i i hear


is a positive somewhere else no no i i hear you okay let's let's talk about marriage again that's the actual question i'm just coming from a personal perspective and i know you don't like sharing your personal life but i'm still gonna be rude enough to ask you this but why did you choose to marry kajol your wife i really don't know i mean we met we got along very well and we started seeing each other without even proposing and then eventually uh it was taken for granted that we will get married like an organic yeah and the thought process is also that uh our our thoughts were similar whatever we say are the models and things like this they they seem to gel together so it just went went in a flow and how is it sustained i know it's a rude question but sustaining very well though there are ups and downs in every marriage in the sense disagreements but then you have to manage those disagreements i mean two minds cannot be alike where kids