over the world if you're brought up in a quantitative space it will be very difficult for you to sort of see the emotional side of things okay uh let me sort of give you an example um so men generally men are essentially taught to be very strong okay now they don't know what it is to be emotional they don't know what it is to sort of see on the other side because their programming is right is to continuously be strong no matter what be strong pull along it's very new that people are actually talking about men's Mental Health which is a very important thing and they teach you how to rewire your system so essentially if a program is not working understand what part of the program is not working okay you're being absolutely calculative is not working for you you shift your space from your thinking to a feeling part remember how do you even know if it's not working you will know see when are problems problems when they're sort of interfering with your daily life your routine if


of interfering with your daily life your routine if you are having a lot of let's say family feuds and there's a lot of friction in different parts of your life automatically you know there is something that's up that's not working for me okay now to get to that point also where you believe that it's not working for me it's a bit of a journey you need to be sort of open to that it's very hard to be open to those things that you could also have a different formula for functioning so that's how you get there once you get there you need to recognize your resistance again the reason I'm stopping you so much in the middle is I think you're talking at a slightly high level so I'm trying to boil it down for the audiences and I'm loving this conversation by the way uh but I think the key word for me is friction right you need to notice the friction in your life and this is something College doesn't teach you yes you only learn through


College doesn't teach you yes you only learn through life through your relationships yes uh would you also say that you notice the patterns in your life how you're talking to family members absolutely how you're treating your romantic Partners Etc yes okay so again I'll go back to the point where again with an example because psychology is best start with examples that if I'm coming in and I'm saying that I have three failed marriages for example okay I will ask you to introspect on what is your pattern how is it that your marriages are feeling okay or let's say friendships right where are you failing in friendships that they are not working out what is going on what is it that you are doing and not doing when you are also not doing you're also doing something I didn't know that people could fail at friendships honestly it's a very New Concept because I'm assuming everyone has those two or three people at least you'll be surprised they don't wow they actually don't so the struggle is very real


they actually don't so the struggle is very real in all aspects whether it's friendship romance just at home in a professional space you need to understand where the friction is and why is it continuously happening with you what is stopping you from changing your narrative and putting in a new formula to walk further okay again we gotta stop here and dive a little bit deeper how do you apply this change of narrative angle to these situations for example let's take that friendship uh situation I'm sure that you've had clients like this but they've had failed friendships do they all have common narratives no it's always a different thing it's always a different thing okay so could you give like could you shed some light on this sure so for example uh if you come from a space let's say uh where your parental figures now when I say parental figures I mean like teachers I mean like people older than new people who've influenced you let's say they don't believe in friendships at


let's say they don't believe in friendships at all why would that be the case there are there are people there are people like that who are scared to like invest emotionally in other people in the fear of let's say heartbreak or just getting hurt maybe they've been double crossed in their own past maybe they have or maybe it's let's say what we call transgenerational there's that my parents have not done it their parents have not done at their parents and it's just sort of passed down that you come alone you live alone you die alone and that's just how it sort of goes so there are people who are very hesitant and they don't realize there's an inner resistance to like make friends and when you make friends how do you fulfill the Friendship because friendship is also about showing up a lot so if you have grown up with the mindset of me first right it's very difficult to sort of fulfill a two-way relationship just want to throw in an anecdote first six years of


to throw in an anecdote first six years of my career I got very into my career yeah I consciously only my time in my career and my romantic relationship to some degree my family and some of my closest friends got sidelined automatically because when they were meeting I would probably be recording videos or I would be um training people for money on weekends right uh the closest one still stuck around and they understood and uh after I kind of stabilized my own career I realized that you need to go for their events you need to go for their parties you need to show up yeah you need to show up huge part of human life and honestly when I started doing that I feel like my mental health got more stabilized definitely the huge part of your support system like generally when people come in uh during first sessions I ask them I asked them about their peers I asked them about their social support I asked them about what is beyond their family and their professional life because sometimes people aren't


their family and their professional life because sometimes people aren't able to balance everything so they cut the one out that is not like they feel is not important or you know like in my case I kind of maybe took my closest friends sort of for granted yeah I didn't realize unfortunately it comes very naturally okay they'll understand yeah they are yeah they'll understand they'll understand what I'm doing and they'll be there for me but some people stick some people don't and it's just how it is I think the way I rationalize that is he stuck with me so he truly loves he's truly my friend this is possible a common acquaintance as in your brain does my besties it's absolutely possible okay okay go on um so yeah I mean it's about changing that inner narrative that where am I struggling what is stopping me from making friends you need to ask these deductive questions ask yourself like what is happening in my system why am I not able to do this particular thing what is


I not able to do this particular thing what is very important is that how do I make it happen okay right because asking the why we'll find out what it is and that's okay that's all right but it's really in the how you're going to make that change which is really really important to your life as a psychologist you'll give actionable steps to your yes absolutely what were the actionable steps be in this case uh actually you build steps would be that I would definitely ask them are they investing any time in sort of going out are they putting themselves in spaces where they can meet people that is very important if you sit in your room right and you're like I don't have friends don't have friends obviously you don't have friends right people are not going to show up into your bedroom just like that you need to put yourself out there a bit which is very scary for some people but you can start small like I would suggest let's say going for classes which are like beyond what


say going for classes which are like beyond what you are doing so like if you as an engineer came to me I would actually push you to take something Beyond science Beyond engineering take something creative in nature which would be which would help you be a little more wholesome it also activates different parts of you so the focus is not only on the calculative part it's also that when you're doing other things you explore new things and new emotions also come up okay all right again to understand the psychology 101 situation maybe a great place to begin understanding it is the kind of clients you get in India what are some common problems do you have clients from outside the big cities as well uh outside the big cities no unless they've gone from a big city to a smaller City okay right because um it's just education and media right in the sense that it's more acceptable maybe out here the stigma still stands really absolutely even after dear Zindagi a lot of things uh I can I can very like hopefully and


things uh I can I can very like hopefully and happily say that things have definitely changed okay yeah you actually have a lot of Youth coming in and saying that I want to do this like I definitely know I need help can you help me right you have a lot of Youth coming in it's very rare to see people let's say above their 40s and 50s coming in you know saying that listen I need help because they are let's say a very solidly wired and they believe in their reality they believe in their script and they believe that it cannot change can it change yes even though they're neurons are pretty Frozen and like really defrost them okay it's it's also a lot of things that matter right it may it it also matters on your conviction you really want to change I also have a lot of people coming in and saying that you know I want to change and I'm you and I'm committed to the process and they come they come for nine ten sessions they come


they come they come for nine ten sessions they come do they change no not always okay so it goes beyond the room once you and I are done having that conversation right and I tell you what to do but if you don't do it there's no change because change requires Movement we all know that change requires movement and if you are not going to move you will still be where you are okay when you go through therapy yourself I'm sure that if you apply those changes and if you consciously work on changing your narrative perhaps your narrative will change my question is when someone hears a conversation like this on a podcast if they're doing their regular Fitness routine you know they're driving and they're listening to this do they still have that 10 ability to change after this podcast or you need to actually go for therapy to get a significant change in your life I think if um obviously I'll say go to therapy okay uh the 10 percent who have that inner motivation who can introspect and really sort of go


motivation who can introspect and really sort of go at it right sure sure you can definitely do it okay right but essentially in therapy you will have a lot of external perspective there will be things that somebody can see that you cannot see because you're so close to it right you need a little bit of distance and you need someone to give you a different length and you need someone to cater to your subjective absolutely absolutely so it's not that the first therapist that you will go to will be successful everybody has a different dialogue everyone has a different way of practice so you need to see what fits you I have a lot of people coming in and saying this did not work this is not work and that's you know that's all right let's see if this works for you is therapy like dating that's the narrative outside that you need to go to multiple therapists to find the one which works for you unless you're really lucky in your first session with someone it just works yeah probably that's


first session with someone it just works yeah probably that's an interesting parallel that you can draw yeah yeah and uh just because you get along on the first date doesn't mean you'll get along on the 10th date oh really yeah yeah well explain this so uh there are times that uh sometimes Maybe a therapist could go wrong and that's fine because therapists are human it's also your right as a client to correct the therapist that you're thinking differently just like in a relationship like in what way you know therapist go wrong like they've read a person's mind in some aspect in a wrong manner um I will take this moment to just say uh we cannot read minds for those people who like they like I was talking to you before we started a lot of people come to me and they're like read my mind and they open their eyes and be like what's in my mind and I'm like I don't know that's not that's not what I do but yeah if I have gauged you let's say slightly


if I have gauged you let's say slightly off or slightly wrong okay uh because it happens that you know there are times that even whether it's friendships relationships whatever it is there are times that people sometimes I have a lack of judgment and that's okay and you can sort of bring in saying that no that's actually not what I'm thinking I'm thinking something else or you could also be very irritated and frustrated with the professional that you're working with because they might have poked you on certain pain points that you need to work on it is not there to like upset you or insult you but it is also like sort of challenging your inner construct that you've been hiding from so either you sort of flesh yourself out and see what about this you know upset me and go back to the drawing board or you can definitely move ahead to somebody else if you're not feeling comfortable because there might be one problem but one problem can be dealt with in different ways so


one problem can be dealt with in different ways so the conversation will be slightly different so say if it is like dating and you found your dream therapist hmm is the box that's supposed to be ticked uh the fact that you feel very comfortable and smooth with that particular therapist but you just feel it's effortless is that like a it is effortless it is very comfortable even when you are experiencing discomfort you are okay being vulnerable with this person this person is your person and there are no judgments here there are no judgments it's where it's a very unconditional space where you can say and be whatever you want okay so uh again I'm going to kind of give you one of the most common Urban objectives which is Career Success okay are also put probably romantic success in that same bracket these are the two most common goals that I see of people around me am I right in saying that at least for people in their 20s yeah definitely they want to be sorted with both things


yeah definitely they want to be sorted with both things okay yeah what usually happens in the 30s because I'm sure more factors get added like what are the objectives come into play I think uh it moves from so just in my head and a very personal like experience sort of thing I think the 20s is All About Love and in the 30s you want peace so when people come in the 30s the perspective of the 30s is that you know I sort of need to iron out whatever is there I have made mistakes uh let's say there is no like 20s May sift twenties may love or career is the problem or it's the success uh it happens in the 30s also it happens in the 40s also really yeah yeah yeah it goes on like just because someone's lived really long doesn't mean they've been successful they've sometimes Fallen very hard and you know lived with the script that they have not changed so this particular thing 30s 30 30 is essentially uh what I see is


30 30 is essentially uh what I see is sues like same issues may be slightly more intense really yeah it becomes more intense in your 30s yeah that would discourage a lot of people my age in the late 20s who are just about to turn 30 and they think they're entering a golden period sure every period is a golden period it's what you make of it right like if if today uh you me anybody if we don't do the work nothing will happen Okay uh just expand this thought of 30s being more intense I think you get really fixed in a lot of ways and you believe a lot of truths which are already set in your system okay that's why people say right that's why our parents get married in your 20s so that you know you are more flexible you're more sorted you know you will adjust in your 20s as opposed to your 30s and your 40s there are people there are outliers in the norm right which are like able to do these things at different ages


are like able to do these things at different ages they are there for example if I have fulfilled a certain script in my life that has been given to me internally I have right if I have not rectified it it'll definitely show up in the 30s okay uh I want to talk about this uh parental issue thing uh I would actually like for you to begin from Freud and Freudian concerts for people who never even heard the word Freud or the name Freud okay uh because for me from whatever little bit I know about psychology isn't he called like the father of psychology but in today's day and age they've discounted a lot of the things he said that's my viewpoint on him but one of the things that he said that actually made some sense to me is uh when you're an infant you see your behavioral patterns of people around you your parents Etc yeah and that sets itself onto your mind so you start kind of adopting that as the beginning of The Narrative of your life


as the beginning of The Narrative of your life the thing is if the railway track points one degree on the right initially 20 years later it's going to be very far from where you're supposed to be so in your infancy when you're a toddler when you're four years old and your memories are first forming if you see your father talking to your mother in a certain way or your mother talking to people in a certain way yeah you believe that that's reality yeah that's how all couples are that's how all families are that's how all households are but then as you grow up as you become a teenager that's broken because you go see your friends as families Etc yeah so I'd love for you to begin with what Freud said Etc uh where do where does this narrative start for any human being so uh we call him father Freud right uh Freud spoke about Eid ego and superego okay three concepts within a person okay uh the it is what you are


a person okay uh the it is what you are talking about all right uh it is the formative years it is based on what we call the Pleasure Principle that you need to be fulfilled at that time so think of a baby who's hungry it's like that okay uh the third concept okay I'm skipping the second I'm going to the third first the third is called the super ego the super ego is literally how you function in society the adult version of you how you function in society I'm really really sort of breaking this down and boiling this down for everybody to sort of understand the essence of it okay because we don't want to like go into like deep dive Theory and the ego essentially is a very big part of you and this is not like it's not that kind of ego it is a part of you all three are a part of you okay the ego is you the person all right the person that also learns to sort of um try and balance and see where you lie


of um try and balance and see where you lie um okay self-analysis the self not analysis okay the self so that's what so that's one of the many things that Freud has said right you have like the whole tip of the iceberg also where you have your Consciousness your subconsciousness and your unconscious which you see very much under you know an ocean where most of the things like that's another theory of Freud as well okay where your thoughts lie where do things come from where do they translate from right whether it's your thinking or whether it's doing also you think of you the unconscious mind as a huge library of file cabinets or books some you touch some you don't sometimes you don't even know where certain things come from it's only when you sort of Deep dive you understand where certain things are coming from okay uh have you seen Bruce Almighty absolutely where Jim Carrey meets God for the first time which is Morgan Freeman and Morgan shows him uh an office full of uh drawers


shows him uh an office full of uh drawers and each drawer contains every thought that he's ever had yeah good representation of the unconscious mind interesting it could be yeah for people to really like have a picture of it we can go with it okay sure uh you know suddenly he just remember some random memory and you're like oh that had also happened also you meet a friend who says remember when that happened you're like yeah that had happened but I hadn't thought of that since eighth standard correct that's from your unconscious mind no okay that could also be like just long-term memory the how do I put this they are store houses the unconscious and the subconscious they are store houses and the conscious mind sort of then acts out what it thinks is right what's the difference between the subconscious mind and the unconscious mind you don't have access to the unconscious mind on like let's say when you are awake okay if I had to put it in a very simple manner uh generally that's how like


a very simple manner uh generally that's how like people end up going for like hypnosis to have access to the unconscious mind okay the subconscious can also be accessed when you are awake and when you are sleeping but essentially yes when you are you know we say subconsciously you actually mean this like there are times where people pull you up and say actually now you actually mean this for example you're angry and you lash out okay what you're actually your subconscious probably wants to do or say is sad but the mask is that of anger because anger is more acceptable do you still utilize these Concepts from Freud in modern day psychology uh as an Indian therapist I have to be an Eclectic professional and this is something I say to my students as well as people that what it means is that I need to know multiple schools of thought to deal with one person eclectic means eclectic means I need to know at least three four schools of thought to be able to deal with a person okay because we're


be able to deal with a person okay because we're very multi-layered in India in India we're very very multi-layered we come from a very diverse background so essentially what works for one may not work for the other one so you need to know how to like switch your gear into something that will work for the person who's sitting opposite to you which only comes through experience absolutely so our older psychologists technically better like that's the case with doctors also I have a different perspective my perspective is that um it is how much you put into your training as well it's your life experience as well because I have the I'm 36. I have 60 year olds coming to me and they sort of show up for therapy time and time and again and they want to change and they never once say that you've never seen life you don't know life right it's also other things that the therapist brings you bring yourself you bring whatever wisdom you have whatever you have your authentic self you bring it to the


you have your authentic self you bring it to the table and it will shake the opposite person like especially if they're talking to someone younger because that's a very real thing in our culture like what advice can you give me I've seen like 40 mod diwalis than you right as the common notion but with conversation you can break that okay and it's really about how much you've learned how much you've done I know uh I know professionals way more Junior than I am but achieved a lot more probably you know they've had a hundred Publications nationally internationally they're really ahead of that time so it's really how much effort you put into yourself and how you present yourself eventually so yes the older therapists bring a different kind of wisdom also I think you need to upgrade everybody upgrades I'll give you a very raw amateur perspective sure I think they're not still stuck in my engineering mindset which is at about age 26 27. I wouldn't look down upon psychologists but I would


I wouldn't look down upon psychologists but I would question that how can you encapsulate the human mind into books because it's so subjective and so vast exactly you're right uh the way I answered that question for myself and I spoke to Gayatri who's a common contact she actually he's got us in touch yes uh I understood your world better and I forgot that Yola therapists and psychologists are way deeper in that journey of understanding the human mind than the average person so you can't just say oh they don't know anything because they're just 10 feet down in that ocean and not at the bottom which is 80 feet but they're still 10 feet below you they know the human mind better than you do uh and I have a lot of psychologist friends who in a very friendly manner have never given me therapy but they've just told me certain things just as like nuggets or listen I think this will help you that's actually helped me it's given me a sense of stability


helped me it's given me a sense of stability I will tell you after like doing this for really long your books will not give you everything and I say this to people I teach I say this to fellow professionals you need to go out there you need to experience the world take uh your own life experiences put it out there you know if you say I empathize with you in a therapy session do you actually empathize with me right uh from that I can have what we call as a slight therapeutic disclosure self-disclosure the therapist can do without giving too much information saying then yeah I had a similar you know let's say issue in my life and I actually know that's bringing Humanity right you're giving it that human touch so it's not I know people who are academically insanely sound but when I ask them to translate there's nothing there do I need therapy everyone needs therapy okay everyone needs therapy like if you have a brain you have a mind it's functional please go get therapy


you have a mind it's functional please go get therapy it's it's not that scary the right therapist can really make a difference to your life really really help you at many levels to really show you what is happening in the system it's also your choice whether you want to fix it or not there's not going to be a therapist who like twists your arm and says for sure no it doesn't work like that okay it's it works like a team like I can speak for myself I work like I'm in a team sometimes also I need to be a leader at those points I will interject right but otherwise I'll be your body I will walk you through it I'll help you through it let's see what are the hurdles let's you know sort of sieve out what is not required and if you require something that's unhealthy what is the attachment to it so it's important all I'm saying is that give it a chance okay because unfortunately what we've learned from media is therapy scary that


what we've learned from media is therapy scary that if you go to a mental health professional you're crazy uh a lot of people come to me and they're like will you give me a give me shock therapy no no it's not what we do it's not for everyone all right so please uh don't have that they are also very scared of medication they know something is wrong they also know that a lot of people come first time they come and they'll be like I will do anything but I'm not going to take medication and that's okay I don't contest you at that point in time I do want to understand where you are coming from because today when we say like cardiac issue kidney issue here we take medication for it and we take it happily what kind of medication is used in psychological therapy uh so essentially for medication you would not come to me you would go to a psychiatrist okay and based on like tests and you know your diagnosis they will know what to give you


know your diagnosis they will know what to give you like you had a distinguished neuro guest right uh they talked to you very biologically now if that is the hardware now I can't do anything if the hardware is not on point I can't do as much with you as I could like today if someone comes to me who is chronically anxious and chronically depressed right I can't do this on my own we can't do it with any level of toxic positivity or positivity for that matter like if your physical system is not on board then we need to put some sort of fuel in right like there's a car okay cards very good looking but it only stays in the parking you accuse me fueling here now if there's no fuel in the car what am I going to do with the car right how am I going to take it out so that fuel is very important and what kind of medication it's very subjective now it depends now for example let's say one thing can many things can go wrong


let's say one thing can many things can go wrong with one thing right so for example with your heart you can have low BP you can have high BP right medication is different but medication is important along with exercising along with your diet both are very very important okay right everything is important it's a it's an ecosystem that you build for yourself and people don't talk to people about their winning stories I just have people coming in and telling me Oh we will get addicted and it'll be bad for us no there's a whole industry based on science to help you there's got to be something good over there right I have a lot of winning stories with good people who've taken medication they know they need medication and it's a hard journey like because the stigma is if you're crazy you need medication you get addicted you know the narrative is all very very wrong the social narrative I have heard a lot is uh kids uh sometimes put on medication which slows them down and then


put on medication which slows them down and then affects their growth and often this is associated with ADHD right uh is how much truth is there to that different people will sort of have different side effects number one it depends on the drugs that you use my advice to anybody would be definitely go and see what works for you you know sort of associate yourself with professionals psychiatrists psychologists who have knowledge don't always look at like super senior people there are a lot of new things happening which a lot of the junior doctors may be more aware of sometimes and this has been my very recent experience because the Juniors want to learn a lot super senior doctors might be very busy and they might have become teachers very few people upgrade themselves there are the lot that upgrade themselves for sure um but be in touch with someone who's available if you feel like something's wrong something is going wrong try and have that communication and that Liberty with your professional that you can say Hey listen I've


with your professional that you can say Hey listen I've just switched medication I need to talk to somebody I'm feeling slightly off allow the professional to be there for you at what point do you realize that you need a psychiatrist and not a psychologist um a lot of people come to me so I'm a psychotherapist psychologist right so they come to me and when I diagnose them and I tell them to what degree right they need help and how much I can help them so that's a good starting point okay you can go to a therapist then maybe the therapist can guide you God you can also go to a psychiatrist who then will you know then sort of tell you that okay you also need therapy along with medication because again Hardware software um while we speak so much about mental health nowadays I can at least speak on behalf of the digital janta a lot of mental health Chatham yes honestly what really kind of Set It Off was unfortunately sushant Singh rajput's demise


Off was unfortunately sushant Singh rajput's demise on the internet right because that was linked to depression then we started talking about mental health and parolee it happened during covet when everyone was dealing with some sort of mental health yes even the most stable people were dealing with something during covert yeah um now it's like the pendulum has swung to one extreme where every teenagers also saying listen I'm depressed and that's what a lot of the monks who come on the show highlight and they say that how how do people throw that word so easily depression is a real thing uh but when every second teenagers saying that they're depressed does either want to be something extremely wrong going on in society that they're actually depressed or these guys are kind of latching onto that wave of it's cool to be depressed nowadays uh you want to say anything about depression and this whole angle of it being kind of cool to be a victim also um I would say that if you are really


also um I would say that if you are really feeling low because um the times that there are people who actually do feel low and they have gotten a platform to express all right now from a very preventive point of view right there are ones that will cry wolf there are people who actually are crying for help and to filter that out definitely go speak to someone a professional speak to a professional okay okay whoever you have access to please speak to them to actually check in and see whether is this something real is it something that is passing has it been around is it something that you are carrying you won't be able to gauge that as well yes you are going through the Journey right but let a professional tell you these things is it true that words have power and when you're talking about subjective narratives the things you say to yourself or the conversations you have with your friends do they actually have a psychological impact on how you're not I believe so I definitely believe so I


not I believe so I definitely believe so I get a lot of people to change the way they speak to themselves I go from I can't do it to I'm gonna try and then progress because it's a different feeling if you say it out loud to yourself I can't do it the feelings that come with I can't do it then sort of loom around yeah I think in the middle the one thing I noticed is people found it very cool to say oh my mental health is getting affected and leave the conversation there so what are you doing about it are you going to professional are you most of them don't most of them it's just the fact that people love being a victim nowadays a lot of younger people it's so it's it's what I call sometimes an emotional drug wasn't it's like an emotional drug right you become addicted to feel yes you get addicted to feeling bad but uh let this term not be used in a loose manner sometimes you don't realize that you


loose manner sometimes you don't realize that you are addicted to that particular stance of being a victim like why is everything bad for you that is something you need to sort of sit introspect sit with someone if you can't do it alone and see what is happening in your internal world how can you fix it for yourself how can it be better for you okay if you can't fix it because a lot of things you cannot fix and the the mentality is very clinical right and in the clinical world it is let's fix this problem let's fix fix sometimes you can't fix sometimes you manage and another very beautiful perspective very recently where you know I got to uh teach Gayatri is positive psychology it doesn't mean toxic positivity it means strength building I don't see where you are lacking and what is missing but I take what you have and I build on it like you'll have to break it down through an example sure uh very uh no I'm not gonna say very recently A couple of years


not gonna say very recently A couple of years ago for example uh I read about a very interesting case of um a c not a serial killer but a killer someone who would be paid money to go out there kill people Etc uh eventually after many many many many murders and many killings was caught put into Rehabilitation this is Indian this is Indian this is very much Indian it sounds like Mumbai uh not really Mumbai the rehab was not in Mumbai but Mumbai Puna Highway okay is what I remember and uh this person sat with his therapist and his therapist was like what do you see yourself doing in life and the person was like I don't know I don't have a skill set the skill set I have is like killing people you know you can't really do that and the thinking and thinking and thinking and this is where wisdom is so important and this is what textbooks don't teach you uh the therapist sort of came in and said what is the thing that you know like really


said what is the thing that you know like really think about it he's like all my life all I have done is run that particular person today runs for a profession he is a professional Sprinter and he runs different places you know sort of you know how you have your ad campaigns and you have you know people representing people running doing it for Charities he's a professional Sprinter now that's what we call Trend building and that also comes from the wisdom of let's say a good guide a good coach a good Mentor a good therapist somebody who can help you really see something and figure that out okay now what I'm going to bring up might sound very cliched and kind of run-of-the-mill very vanilla I feel if you find your passion in life it can protect your mental health in so many ways definitely and that's why there's so much of bad mental health right now because people are not pursuing what they want to do and that's been the problem for so long if you're not going


been the problem for so long if you're not going to live and believe me this is a very hard struggle authenticity is so important you know the rebuttal to what you said and I don't agree with the rebuttal but this is what people's rebuttal is yeah they say that oh I don't have the financial capability of doing what I want and I disagree with that because it's 2023 now the world of jobs is changing if you really look for it you will find something you enjoy doing especially in the startup if I had to sort of take your example right and I think it was a recent post of yours where you said uh my parents sort of decided to not help me financially and you started from scratch right you did start all of this from scratch right there will be times it will be hard you want to find a way around it you definitely can okay everyone doesn't have the same opportunity sometimes you have to create your opportunities you created your opportunity yes we are you know


you created your opportunity yes we are you know luckier than most I feel I'm being recognized now eight years and yeah like there was moments even in year six year five where I felt like I'm just being overlooked yeah that that's a very long time eight years is a very very long time and only you will feel you will feel the time right when you say eight years you feel it's longer or a lot of senior people um right so the the rebuttal yes I hear the rebuttal because the rebuttal is given to me a lot during sessions as well when we start sort of start like talking about managing and finding opportunities making opportunities it is a difficult maze to maneuver it definitely is and not discarding that it is difficult at all but like you said it's 2023. we can sort of try and find Opportunities if not anything else start somewhere start anywhere you know start small but move forward definitely move forward in your capacity you never know who you stumble upon


in your capacity you never know who you stumble upon okay and um I will be very like loud and proud about this uh I was just somebody teaching giving a lecture I didn't even know I could end up here and this is a very very big deal for me right so that's just how it works you never know who knows you how they know you where they know you from but it just happens connections work it happens you have to just keep at it you just sort of keep at it and I know consistency is also hard because that's something a lot of people struggle with I do too many times but it's something you just keep going at even in a 0.1 manner even on a bad day if you can do just like one on ten it's counted for something you know I'd like to highlight something you said previously on this episode which is that your conscious mind will be saying listen I'm not as privileged as this guy to do what I want but his subconscious mind is


to do what I want but his subconscious mind is saying maybe I'm not brave enough to actually do that thing which is why I'll overcome my fear with like throwing [ __ ] on someone else yeah yeah and uh you're from the you know digital space and you can see how much you know sort of people throw at you no no one's asking them but they throw it at you and that's massive amounts of projection there's a lot of Disney in it there's a lot of like but beyond all of that there's a lot of sadness in it yeah right it's the reality like people listening to this may not even like what I am saying and they might throw crap at this as well but it's the unfortunate Truth uh I gotta ask you about the spiritual stuff as well does it go hand in hand with psychology I know theoretically it probably doesn't and I'll tell you why um now my spiritual journey included a lot of meditation which I'm still doing every day but it


meditation which I'm still doing every day but it includes a lot of sort of self-analysis and behavioral analysis as well where we're told in my particular meditation school that the moment you start feeling anger and you act upon it understand that something against our path so initially don't act upon your angle like don't lash out because your actions matter and you're putting out like that fire into the world uh and over time you need to also be able to spot when the anger is rising it's a very difficult process it probably took like a couple of years it is but along with the yoga that they put us to along with the meditation they put us through I have seriously reached a point where now I feel I have like complete control over my anger very this very few times maybe like twice a year but I'll have to lash out to someone even if something's gone completely asleep there's a very terrible situation right and it's been a positive for me and I know that this doesn't apply


positive for me and I know that this doesn't apply to everyone of course you need all that yoga and meditation to really strengthen your emotional side so this is not advice I'm just trying to relay my own experience does this help psychologists like how do psychologists look at the world of spirituality because I've always seen varied perspectives different psychologists will look at it differently someone will say yeah this is good someone will say no no but this is not real this is not natural so I'd like to know while I ask you a general question I know this is a personal question how do you look at it um it's a very good question I so there is a school of psycho spiritual people and there are psychologists who understand spirituality because they also learn spirituality they sort of also uh make it a part of their practice uh which is pros and cons right there is the extremely scientific school of thought that what is this like how does this work yes you may have research on it that says yeah


yes you may have research on it that says yeah that you know a lot of things change when you meditate yes okay fine I'm somewhere in between to be very honest I'm very do what works for you all right I'm also very scientific in the sense that suppose you are having a something that does require medication all right I'm not going to tell you to only meditate I will tell you meditate and meditate both go hand in hand how do you look at meditation like what do you think it does to the software I think it's an amazing complementary thing I don't think everyone can use it just individually especially when you have a lot of issues right I think that people who understand spirituality also know uh that they will need help and it's not always sitting and meditating meditation can sometimes get you from point A to point B to recognize what your resistance is you find it sure all right what do you want to do after that and that change someone might have to assist you okay


and that change someone might have to assist you okay it's also very time-bound now do you want to take many many years and change sure maybe it'll come around but the process will be very slow okay I've seen people a lot of people come to me and say I pray is that okay of course that's okay does it make you feel good of course that's okay why shouldn't you pray pray to whoever you want that's fine right uh can I meditate definitely and for me uh when people come in let's say for example anxiety and depression there is an upheaval in the nervous system now when I need to sort of help you with that I need to let's say rewire it how do I rewire it grounding meditation they're very very important suppose I faced some sort of trauma all right uh now my response to everything is from that survival point of view but life is not like that anymore right I need to help your nervous system sort of understand to come to a base


system sort of understand to come to a base level where you can sort of gauge that everything doesn't have to be responded from a survival point of view or from an attack point of view or from a run point of view anything excessive is bad so you can gauge and sort of move ahead but I need to sort of rewire that system so meditation helps a lot grounding helps a lot we all know that there is a uh I I think I heard one of you all guests say this that uh we all have a certain level of electricity in our system right this needs to sort of keep going this energy needs to keep going right so for that meditation is definitely a plus point is your is everything going to get sorted just by meditating it's it's like saying um I have many blockages in my heart and you know I'm sort of at 10 heart beating is meditation the only thing that I'm going to advise you to do no I need a surgery I need medication


do no I need a surgery I need medication I need to also teach you how to eat right how to exercise right like I said it's a ecosystem that you have to build with yourself um and I used to be one of those people who thought that meditation is the only answer and age and the meditation itself taught me that no you need to combine it with psychology as well you definitely do yeah because I think the biggest jump I had from a brain perspective was on the show talking to guests especially the ones related to Neuroscience Etc right and while I feel meditation is a great way to connect to a higher spiritual power and to increase the time between your reaction and your response like you get a lot of control over your brain there are certain patterns which you've inherited from I won't just say your parents and family but from life and your peers yeah yeah and from this Urban Jungle that we live in yes that you would be better without and to unlearn certain


you would be better without and to unlearn certain things you you need a psychologist unknowning is very hard it is very hard it is definitely not up for so many people because they're so in their reality and their comfort zone yeah that they don't mind the suffrage unfortunately you know if you have a plant and you put fertilizer and water into that one you're basically taking some of your energy and transferring it to your blood yes so life I feel works the same way but if you want your career to group put your Consciousness on it yeah you're going to have to if you want your brain to change you want to put your Consciousness on it definitely and I'd like to quote Dr said Warrior on what he said on the show about neuroplasticity your brain is like a tree uh where those the kind of more primitive parts are like the tree trunk they're also more important parts your spinal cord your medulla oblongata but your actual cerebrum is the main body of the


your actual cerebrum is the main body of the tree and the branches can keep changing throughout life if you stimulate them enough if you challenge yourself enough if you unlearn enough if you learn enough that process is called neuroplasticity where the neurons realign themselves now again speaking little Neuroscience neuroplasticity becomes faster when you focus on your sleep a lot or you focus on deep rest like in yoga nadra or meditation this is I'm quoting Dr huberman you uh he keeps talking about this that if you want to haste in that pace of change in your mind focus on sleep focus on rest focus on meditation these things uh but I feel you need to know what direction to grow your tree and also which will come from psychology yes yes definitely because uh and you know you might have seen me smiling while you were saying rest rest is so underrated especially in our Urban Jungle rest is so underrated sleep is underrated uh how are you going to be productive and


underrated uh how are you going to be productive and I give this analogy a lot in just a lot of my sessions where think of yourself as a boxer in a ring okay ding ding ding Bell goes you fight there's no Bell you're fighting your fight your fight you're fighting you're fighting what's going to happen to you if the round doesn't end and it just goes into the next one and the next one and the next one and the next one what's going to happen to you you're gonna burn yourself out hmm a burnout's a problem you see often absolutely but what is a burnout but love like exactly what happens and usually what age is it at uh right now it's coming way more younger than expected generally we would think like burnouts come after many many years of experience and many years in a particular system and some people don't even recognize Bernard because they are so hyped up on their own fuel they don't know how to rest like we've entered a


don't know how to rest like we've entered a space where we where people don't know how to be and how to address going back to kovid people did not know how to be at home all we know is the race the rat race there's no slowing down there's no calming down there's just like yes this this this go for it Go For It Go For It Go for it you don't understand you know we work in this organization understood understood everything boundaries are very important professional boundaries professional boundaries personal boundaries romantic boundaries boundaries are very important you need to rest body needs to rest right just the way cars need to rest uh you have your equipment that needs to rest human beings need to rest what are the symptoms of the burnout you will be falling back in work you are not as productive as you used to be okay emotionally all of a sudden there's an upheaval you find yourself being very erratic you might be lashing out unnecessarily uh or you might be breaking down a


out unnecessarily uh or you might be breaking down a lot so burnout comes like that eating habits are very very bad sleeping habits are very very bad self-care is very very low okay there are times that your attention also gets very affected so these are all those signs like you know the work you know what you need to do but somehow you just sort of like you blank out at different points you could be the best at what you're doing but if you don't listen to your body at one point it's going to override you and be like it's time to sleep it's time to take a nap it's time to wind down which is very very important and what age do you usually see burnouts happen at versus now I am seeing it as young as in college really at bachelor's level at Masters level before they're entering the workforce they're like I don't want to do this anymore I don't want to do this anymore I'm done with it now I want to do something else I'm


with it now I want to do something else I'm also seeing people like as they grow academically they're completely burnt out with higher degrees you know like their phds where you have to really deep dive they really deep drive and you don't have time for anything else right so I'm seeing it as young as that because of the demand of perfection the demand of performance you have to do well this is the only way to do life that you have to do it well right uh we see a lot that you know creativity is not given enough footage in any child's life Sports creativity I am seeing Trends change but I also have a chunk of people coming and saying can they do science yes but then what like you are signing up the child to be miserable for the next two three four five years and they're doing what you want to do did you ask the child what they want to do and the The Comeback is what does he know what does he know what does she know children no children


does he know what does she know children no children know you have to Garner that cell that sense of self that adult in every person they know they know what they want to do I honestly feel the capitalistic perspective is that there's enough money to be made in the world and absolutely I mean look at look at what people are making money out of we would never think that this would possibly happen at one point yeah yeah it's just parents need to understand it's not the 1990s anymore but it's what they have learned so they will say that this is the formula yes this works there's a lot of safety in what you know versus the unknown right I'm hoping that content changes that going forward it is it definitely is but it's it's very neonation it has a lot of work that needs to be put in a lot of fuel that needs to be put in and what is convincing for parents to change now is visibility when they can see that people are doing different things besides being


can see that people are doing different things besides being your generic doctor engineer etc etc they are seeing that oh you know having your own podcast is a real thing or like being a musician now is a very real thing yes if you don't put in the hard work no matter where you are you will fall so how are we hyderabadwala this is almost the end of the episode kind of a heavy episode um glad the audience got to see these basics of psychology but because it was themed around happiness he just told me that maybe this episode isn't really about happiness for me it is because we highlighted sadness a lot and I feel you need to learn about the darkness in order to learn about the light definitely definitely what would you like what you want to do with that after that like um that is what is really important like a lot of people want to reach happiness I want to say this out loud and I say this to a lot of people because they come and they're like


a lot of people because they come and they're like I want to be happy and I'm like what's happy for you and why do you want to be happy no I won't question why do you want to be happy you know I will question uh what according to you is happiness how will you know that you've reached that point because visibly there is friction in your system right and like if I had to go to like um basic psychology rogerian psychology okay which is very famous because a person-centered psychology and uh in that there's a lot of uh unconditional love all right there's a lot of unconditional love which is the theme and uh what Carl Rogers sort of explained was that when you have a problem with the real self and the ideal self right they are two different parts of the same person okay uh what you want to be and what you are doing don't sort of match real self is what you're doing and ideal self is what you want to be yes absolutely so there is a big


want to be yes absolutely so there is a big void between the two how do I merge it and that's that's your happy space and this is the case for every human being uh if you look at it from that perspective like if they are unhappy about something that you know they would think that the ideal version of them would handle it very differently you know and the real version of them is handling certain things in a very distraught Manner and they wouldn't like it like that so the space and the distance becomes a lot sometimes they are not able to merge right there are certain situations there are always outliers where they can't merge and that's okay you have to do your best in that bit uh the point is why why can't they merge um there's certain situations where you can't help but be angry right uh if I ask you like practically practically to be uh sober about sensitive topics like trigger warning like sexual violence right there is no bright side to it there


violence right there is no bright side to it there is no bright light oh this is the good side no there is it the truth of it that there isn't right how you come out of it yes you've become stronger but it's still not pleasant right so some things definitely demand that there might be a very negative emotion to it and it's okay to be negative sometimes make it a part of your life and make it a habit then it'll destroy you like if you think everything should be like sort of met with anger you are constantly going to be an angry person and if you ask how did I become this person you are responsible like out loud again telling everyone happiness is your responsibility right it is your responsibility you need to do your best maybe you won't be a 10 on 10. it's okay you work towards it I have a very favorite sort of like anecdote proverb whatever you want to call it like little drops of water make a mighty ocean it's not that your work is


a mighty ocean it's not that your work is going down the drain everyone has bad days and that's okay you focus on the ocean focus on the ocean just that you're getting there that you'll get there at some point so let that happiness be let it come to you go to it um again because all your clients are Indian what's the general and I know you can't generalize here but still what's the most common path to that happiness for an Indian mind what have you noticed of course it's subjective it's subjective but if I had to sort of like really boil it down uh when people do come to me uh rewiring the system is very important because doing good is at up top right uh how do you get to happiness by being the constant good person sometimes uh you can compromise a lot on your happiness and not be happy being the good kid at home okay and this might be a very uh dual-edged sort of message that we're sending out there but uh everyone needs to find a


sending out there but uh everyone needs to find a balance between being there for other people being there for yourself as well because what we are taught is that you need to give give all right you need to be kind excessive things of even good things you will burn out you will be unhappy it's okay to be a little selfish on the other hand that if you are like extremely selfish and extremely into yourself then you need to be pulled out a bit to sort of find that middle ground of you need to be invested in other people as well so the journey is very different for happiness for a lot of people but understand the essence of anything excessive is a bad thing being very good being very bad either way it will come and sort of do a full circle so balance without probing you further I will now end this conversation thank you thank you so much just got to learn a lot uh from you uh don't have anything to say I think this is a pretty wholesome heartfelt conversation


I think this is a pretty wholesome heartfelt conversation usually I end it in a very heartfelt way but no one ended in a hospital so thank you man thank you that was simply episode one with this epic new guest that we found um I wish I could have recorded some of the conversations I had with Huawei mam outside of the studio as well there's some incredible podcast coming up with her but look out for the next one it's a Valentine's Day special we've spoken about some very intense topics related to modern day relationships modern day romance I highly recommend that all of you go watch that one and I'm pretty sure that that one's going to get more clicks than this one did so if you want to spread the word about mental health about therapy about psychology I urge you to share this episode with your friends share it on Instagram it'll mean a lot to the journey of DRS I feel this is one of the most important TRS episodes because it's about the true nature of human existence


because it's about the true nature of human existence which is the chase for happiness I hope you enjoyed this one for more episodes like this make sure you follow us on Spotify every episode's available on 45 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world as usual I will request you to also download my meditation app level super mind lots of English meditations as well as Regional language meditations are now live on level you'll enjoy it you will grow through it and until next time from ranveer and the team and how will we man we'll see you later [Music]


that is why patanjali is considered more of a scientist than a series because he put down words in the most practical approachable just do this okay what is yoga this is Yoga he was the YouTuber back then content creator content created like boiling down the I mean there are many like that Panini patanjali the 50 sounds of Sanskrit alphabet 16 Bubbles and 34 consonants wow and all of them have these geological you know presence of different shaktipitas and because they are all aspects of the Divine mother the goddess each letter of Sanskrit alphabet is called as a matrica Mata being the goddess the mother Shakti matrica an aspect of the mother we've done a huge number of podcasts on Hinduism Indian history Indian culture but we've never really done an all-out podcast on Sanskrit one of my mentors Dr Radha Krishna had told me that the moment you start learning Sanskrit there are faculties of your brain that get unlocked that's the nature of ancient languages


that get unlocked that's the nature of ancient languages spoke about everything from Indian history to the power of mantras to the power of words in this one it's a fascinating mind-bending conversation with someone who has a huge amount of knowledge today's guest is udai shreyas he runs a channel called the Sanskrit Channel on YouTube where he promotes the idea of relearning Sanskrit and after speaking to him I've decided that at some point in life I'm definitely going to dive much deeper into actually learning and speaking Sanskrit again we also highlighted meditation and prayer as a huge part of this podcast I urge you to listen to this from an open perspective if you want to begin your meditation Journey if you are not sure where you should be starting we've built a meditation app it's called level super mind we've also created a lot of regional language meditation so whether you speak Bengali Punjabi Tamil Telugu Gujarati we have you covered on level super mind of course there's


have you covered on level super mind of course there's a ton of English meditations as well make sure you check it out and for more episodes like this make sure you follow TRS on Spotify every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world because for a Spotify exclusive so without further Ado this is a deep dive into the world of Sanskrit this conversation will open up your mind and lead you to your next level of evolution enjoy this episode with udaya shreyas foreign [Music] spiritual brother how are you I'm very very well thank you so much it's lovely to be in this room I've seen this in so many videos I've consume a lot of your content and more so preparing for this coming here but it's very lovely to be here the whole vibe the Ambiance is so the reason I got curious about podcasting with you was because I watched a movie called arrival which was about aliens yes the first thing that people think aliens do on


yes the first thing that people think aliens do on Earth is attack humans or probably give us some magical device in that way they showed a very realistic depiction of aliens the first thing that the aliens did was uh try understanding our language and the first thing humans do is try to understand the aliens's language and spoiler alert at the end of the movie they realize that the aliens language is circular as in it means the same thing forwards and backwards and then that got me thinking Sanskrit is the same is that true forwards and backwards like it's it's a circular language that even if you read it backwards it's the same at least or this is an urban myth maybe what you're referring to is this kavya there is one composition which was done um but it's named uh raghava yadav okay which if you read it from left to right you get the story of Lord Rama and if you read from uh right to left you read the syllables backwards you


right to left you read the syllables backwards you get the story of Krishna what yes it's it's insane the kind of uh Feats that people have done Sanskrit composers have done is enormous dude uh you've started a YouTube channel called the Sanskrit Channel you've had to have been very passionate about the language yes I intend on learning Sanskrit at some point in my life maybe when I'm slightly older I feel my time hasn't come yet that's just a personal feeling can I interject here sure you already know Sanskrit okay your name is in Sanskrit is a Sanskrit name right name is a Sanskrit name almost every nowadays people want more and more unique names but they are ending up have you know naming their children in Sanskrit like you said you want to learn Sanskrit at some point in life no there are almost 80 percent this don't quote me on the figure but a large chunk of most Indian languages derive their vocabulary from Sanskrit because of the nature of


their vocabulary from Sanskrit because of the nature of what the languages we'll come back to the first question sure but what I wanted to say is it's not some language where you have to start from scratch on your learning process you already know a lot of it okay uh man I'll tell you what when I began creating content in Hindi first few creating God in English when I switched to Hindi I noticed after creating contents he has been speaking at all my life but speak in front of camera really makes you think of the language uh the Hindi language is way more emotional as a language as compared to English true and I'm sure that that's the case with Marathi Punjabi Tamil Telugu any Indian language is more emotional because it's a representation of the people who are more emotional in general um now making Corner Hindi kind of made me more emotionally Savvy maybe maybe I would like to believe it's increased my EQ to a certain degree because there's certain words in Hindi which you


degree because there's certain words in Hindi which you can't express in English uh just using one word you have to express the same word using a sentence for example how do you explain Mamta a motherly feeling in English how do you explain uh parampara you know like in English correct now similarly I think Sanskrit is one level deeper where there is spiritual meaning behind words yes am I right in saying that and when you actually learn Sanskrit what does it do to you as a person on an individual level because there's a lot of people waking up to the culture of our country again especially our age around our age who want to dive into Sanskrit I want you to give them a preview of what will do to their minds wow because I also believe that all the shlokas the mantras the strothroms sorry thus the stotram lovely all of these are in Sanskrit so imagine you now understand what each of those mean yes how much emotion will that add to your heart when


how much emotion will that add to your heart when you're chanting those and I would also like to interject here and say that one of the first things they teach you about Mantra is that if you understand the meaning if you say it with emotions it becomes a hundred times more powerful yeah now go on sure uh what can it do to people uh one thing why I do this is because there's so much to relation it it's from that emotion comes that enormous amount of joy it's insanely rewarding to learn it from the get-go like you said um what is one shloka that you know for example maybe uh uh most people know uh probably some people know um most of the bhagavad-gita shlokas people know and when you see that these esoteric sounding verses are conversations between people are it's it's so heartfeld it's like you said it's all emotional that it's coming from a deep seated curiosity in a human being and maybe love it provides Sanskrit just provides if


maybe love it provides Sanskrit just provides if I can compare it with the blood groups I don't know it's you know one people say um English is you know so malleable because it can borrow long words from any language and make it a part of its vocabulary but Sanskrit is not like that it is so rigid in its uh structure that it doesn't you know take words into itself it's the way it is millions of Millennia ago it's the same way right right now because it's so complete what Sanskrit can do is provide words to other languages it's so loving that in that sense maybe I see that in this context that it can fulfill you in many many many extremely deep ways because it's as very spiritually rooted language and what can these shlokas do the words have a lot of profoundness in them a lot of power to them that you said the sounds the way that those sounds themselves are are very important I made this video it's a small experiment we can try


made this video it's a small experiment we can try this out sure uh you know the devnagri alphabet yeah the I eat did you already see this video I don't know but say this sounds after me just put your fingers at the pit of your throat maybe if the viewers can also try this out say what is happening to your fingers the next row is slightly outward from the vocal cavity this was at the pit of the throat Q variable to notice that all these sounds were uttered when the vocal flaps there where you could feel it expanding yes the Reverb is there now the next row of consonants is one level outward in the vocal cavity is where is it where is it take your hands off from the pit of the throat cha cha what is striking what two organs are striking to produce that sound cha the tongue with the roof sure right [Music] yeah every so the last row of consonants is that is the last row of consonants so the even the very


last row of consonants so the even the very alphabet is structured in such a way that it corresponds with the vocal cavity right from it's because all of them were moving outward gradually so it explores your full vocal capability there are these claims that people who know can are fluent with Sanskrit can pick up accents very easily Regional accents without having that without giving away where they are from and if be it any language word language because it it is such a full-fledged exercise of your vocal cavity so the all of this this is an intellectual high this whole trip one can go on just reading all kinds of literature this just you can lose yourself in the study of the alphabet let alone the scriptures the stotras the upanishads The Vedas the shastras and my God the variety of literature that you have at your disposal to consume from ayurveda to Tantra to jyotisha to vastu to uh yoga to natya Sangeetha ganita whatever field of study you


natya Sangeetha ganita whatever field of study you want to take rasana sastra it's there okay it's profound literature so all of this gives me hi that's why I do it I'm going to interject here a little bit and kind of just pause and recap on everything we just learned okay firstly I feel that uh the alphabet the weight structured has some sort of exercise effect on your vocal cord and your mouth which you use to uh speak yes which is why you can pick up accents which is why uh you can become better at communication with people from other cultures and your own culture of course okay that's one idea second idea is that um I have come to understand from spiritual studies that words contain power these are also English words when you keep saying I'm happy I'm happy I'm happy I'm happy I'm happy chances are if you say that every day all the time there'll be at least some effect maybe you won't be completely happy but you'll have some effect on your


completely happy but you'll have some effect on your mind words contain power similarly I believe Sanskrit words contain power I'm sure that's why all the mantras are in Sanskrit uh and the third thing I will definitely say is um I feel that one thing I've learned through the podcast through talking to archaeologists and historians and even some conspiracy theorists honestly is that uh the world has been affected and reaffected by ice ages constantly and there have only been a few cultures around the equatorial belt who have survived through the ice ages uh one of which is in South America one of which was in Egypt one of which is in India I feel that our culture is old because of the geography of India now when a culture gets to be that old and then has lived through so much it just understands the science of living slightly better absolutely it is a western narratively though you're being conservative with your why slightly better I think when we are thinking about us being better with


think when we are thinking about us being better with comparing ourselves to Europeans I'm comparing ourselves to Shamanism in South America uh ancient Egypt culture which I also feel were quite significant for sure we have survived now more five thousand six thousand years so maybe we are slightly ahead of them but uh not enough is known about those cultures right now I'm not even comparing ourselves to Modern Western culture sure because that's usually the comparison because of you know our Colonial rulers Etc right but my point is uh I just feel Sanskrit yoga ayurved these Indian Concepts have had more time to develop and they are benefiting all of us today very true uh so that's why there are secrets kind of within the Sanskrit language that an entire generation of us have to extract uh am I right in saying that and like as you learn Sanskrit what have you extracted from the culture for example once you actually start understanding the mantras how does it change your mindset or your existence it's


does it change your mindset or your existence it's a very it's a shift it's again so many ideas sure that you have covered definitely I mean all of it stems from Human Pursuit right human longing what do civilizations who have time to spare and who have you know their survival needs taken care of what they what do they want to do they want to see if there is a higher purpose in life if they can live better they can experience things better they can live more joyfully just be more profound in their experience expression whatever they do how can I you know know things better how can I feel things better be one way things better how can I evolve further in my experience and all the cultures that you have mentioned which have lived through many you know Aeons of time without significant disturbances have gotten there there is like you know probably from your you know thought and your experience and your understanding so far of what spirituality means there is only one truth life is happening as one


is only one truth life is happening as one this human individual identity is there for a brief period of time for our individual experience and it's a great Boon it's not some kind of a curse that we are no we have limited identities with the body and mind but that is what enables us to have this individual experience that I am doing this but the core fundamental truth of existence is everything is happening as one everybody reached there and all these cultures all these Pursuits language literature philosophy dance they evolve towards that whichever part of the country made evolve towards the fact that everything is happening as one big living entity the whole Cosmos it's not the advaitas okay hold on I'll have to stop you because you've said it's something very complex and I gotta make it slightly more simple you think that you me these plants the people in this room are all actually one and the purpose of human existence is to slowly understand that concept more and more I wouldn't say the


that concept more and more I wouldn't say the purpose the that is what it leads to us whatever we do what are we doing so every life if you look at it is consuming another life the way life functions is life consumes life and becomes life and that becomes food for something else that's why they call it the what is it the food cycle whatever cycle yeah so it's a cycle you become food then you consume that food you go back to that food it's the whole uh this this is one living Cosmos the whole entity carbon cycle I think a food chain sorry food chains not the food cycle food chain it's a chain it's all of it is linked to each other so as your experience grows deeper you see what that is the question of life right so when you have nothing to be worried about that immediately nothing is taken care of you get these more deeper more leisurely people questions that what is going on around me what is me even that that is the more fundamental question who is


even that that is the more fundamental question who is this experiencing all this so that is what all these cultures go towards and Sanskrit bringing back Sanskrit here is one language which has developed such extensive vocabulary to delve the inner aspects of things and address these questions and in how many different ways all the one or eight upanishads and more all these other philosophies even like even if you who sing the seven notes or dance to a particular Rhythm all of it was towards experiencing that Divine so in essence the whole I mean world languages are trying to do that convey something that you see in through sound so what will come out as sound at some level is linked to the nature of what is being conveyed so that if your perception is Keen enough will be the same if your perception is you know you know what that thing that needs to be conveyed is deep enough and this level of perception is called as one more such superhuman siddhis that these people


as one more such superhuman siddhis that these people are supposed to have in yoga yoga sutras it comes up uh what is this perception is knowledge knowledge sounds similar somewhere so pragnya is that space is that profound state of uh perception where you know the sound that is associated with any particular entity around you you look you perceive creation as sound the sound so you look at you you know the vibe that we call very you know colloquially you actually perceive the sound of somebody and then you name them accordingly so that hits you and damn and helps you in your progress and kalidasa uh mentioned this captured this relationship between sound and its Essence in one of his shlokas uh saying work and artha are intertwined they are inseparable one is one doesn't exist without the other if there is some sound it has an Essence to it if there is something some entity some Essence that needs to be conveyed it has a sound to it they are like Shiva and


has a sound to it they are like Shiva and Shakti they are like the the primordial father and mother of all of creation that is the relationship between sound and its Essence Sanskrit captures that Essence to its core and you can feel it you can you it's the quickest path towards perceiving that Vibe of something and one example that I can give you is the sound a BHA represents Brilliance and and deep the glow and radians so prabha abha bhaskara bhanu uh so wherever this bear of that Bhai is difference from a different uh rava is sound uh will come to our wife come across it but yes I can talk to you for five hours dude how much how much knowledge do you have about this no it's I took I mean I've been doing this for a long but isn't this fascinating time just flies by right so this what do you extract out of it I extract mind chasms out of it yeah yeah I feel it's also a never-ending kind of


yeah I feel it's also a never-ending kind of rabbit hole dude definitely nice that you use that word because I think so many times you're talking about almost 15 000 years of culture at least behind you maybe I don't know for sure but we have a cyclical understanding of time so we don't know who knows people think okay if you carbonate something you see how something which is decaying over time how many years must have it must have taken for it that isotope what must have happened if everything went away I mean this is the scientific thought right that so that is the limitation there but that that is what gave us all these gadgetry and all this access to the world so I have due respect towards all that kind of pursuit the Western Scientific Pursuit that everything needs to be logical fit into the rational logic of mind what if there exists creation which is beyond the Ambit of mind which it is because mind is an aspect of creation it is not the source of creation so


of creation it is not the source of creation so how many years ago Sanskrit anadi we don't I don't know so it is some I mean satguru and many people say they try to take back the dates to reasonable levels of logical understanding that ha hoga it must have been 15 000 it must have been twenty thousand what about before that I mean okay fine there were whatever neanderthals cro-magnets whatever but time in itself I'm I'm guessing you must have covered the nature of time what Carla means and what there is this beautiful movie now you also refer to this um uh movie called arrival there is this beautiful movie called man from Earth we watched Man From Earth you must watch it you'll love it so what is time so in that there is this one dialogue that I remember that one of the professors says one culture one civilization in the past had this understanding that we are passing through time layer by layer slice by slice like it's we are actually moving in time not in space


it's we are actually moving in time not in space but it is time which which is the Primal measurement it is not space as we see which are these Dimensions time is the primary Dimension that is at work do you believe that it's perceivable right dude maybe it's not perceivable for a lot of people listening to take some time and see okay there was this moment that just passed I just started a few things it is not there anymore where is it in creation unless for some imprints of it so you go on a trip if nothing else happened it's just a memory you might as well have dreamed it did this ever happen to you so this what time is all all there is in creation is this moment I don't know how much of boundaries I'm stepping into but uh step in bro the only truth the only reality of creation is this moment this so all that has been all there was was just moments and moments and moments and moments just so it can be gotten it


and moments just so it can be gotten it can be perceived you just need some silence in your head like you know right it can be calmed down and patanjali says it beautifully that you are able to perceive creation for what it is when your mental nonsense calms down so yeah so when you comment and you you direct your attention towards any particular aspect of creation that will unravel its itself to you for that to happen that mind needs to be sharp and and clear as a knife uh I went to an art gallery uh recently I've been going to art galleries because I've been enjoying it much more as I age both maybe from one aspect of aging and maybe from an aspect of yoga where you become one with the artist but again this is a very weird concept that not many people will get yes and often if I take a friend of mine who's creatively inclined and I try doing my art interpretation many of them agree and say that yeah this is probably what I


agree and say that yeah this is probably what I feel also when I see it yes do you have this would you call it intuitively knowing something dude I don't know I don't know and I don't want to clap for myself here or anything I'm just like relaying an experience yes so have you had moments just asking where you know something without having arrived at you know how you know something maybe having there are English words to it premonition that intuition the intuition oh it sounds like this situation might have happened in my dream but it looks like it's happening right now people have words like deja vu all these words I think intuition begins at the level of you understanding the people who come into your life and what vibe they bring and then it goes to non-living objects also and situations you can the Gateway towards knowing creation more wholly than in bits and pieces is through up is to approach it through your intuition and to just perceive things the way they are


and to just perceive things the way they are you can perceive whatever reason creation the human body is the biggest machine I know you have your fascination for Tantra and the Occult and the mystical aspects the more practical mystical aspects I was just thinking of asking a question related to it is the is the finest antenna to Creation everything that is at plain creation we have it how refined do we keep it how tuned are we with you know that so you just receive what there is to know people all these sages from the Past who are said to have these insane in you know in possible levels of understanding about you know every aspect of uh if we ask every field of study they did not apply their minds and they were not rigorously writing okay now I should write the compile a number uh compilation to represent pi to so many decimal places they just knew it intuitively that is again there is a flip side to it that you can't teach it to somebody and even if


you can't teach it to somebody and even if you want to develop that level of intuition it takes a lot of work it is very personalized arriving at it through intellectual dissection just putting it down in terms of logical step-by-step processes is easily teachable transmittable people can get it easily you can train people on Mass but to develop intuition is very you know self-centered focus it takes individual care but if it happens it is extremely rewarding and we would not have ended up in this kind of situations where the first thing about you know first thought when you look at something alien is a shielded that okay now how do I look at it how do I make use of it you don't approach it with thought you approach it with intuition what is the nature of it what is this what does it feel let's talk about actionables how do you actually improve your intuition sure many all these paths are towards that the paths Galore my goodness the number of paths that this kind of


my goodness the number of paths that this kind of this culture has given out from Japan the eight limbs of yoga towards that Yama niyama Asana pranayama samadhi these eight these eight are actual steps practical aspects of it start with Yama what are those process of Yama it sounds very mundane it sounds very practical doable Yama this literally means external discipline you start bringing that discipline now people will start raining off because that is what is needed if you want to work towards something there the first thing anybody got anything in their life knows that it starts with discipline so the first the simplest most practical anybody can do is external discipline not coveting somebody else's thing and you know not going after these sound like Commandments they are because that is what they also you know every every tradition which knew the importance of putting people on discipline so that they can grow further came up with this monk or does right uh monkey so you know the value of discipline yeah


uh monkey so you know the value of discipline yeah I think that's a one lesson I've learned through podcasts with tantrix and monks and anyone who's spiritual it actually boils under your discipline how much are you willing to do every day at that one time any aspect of you want result you put in the work it's as simple as that and yeah those five are yamas and there are niyamas which are inward acts of discipline these are a little more difficult outside okay you can stop you know tie down your hands sit in a place and you know have chastity belts for upper uh for brahmacharya whatever else you external discipline imposing upon yourself is very crude very you know Force forceful but then even imposing internal discipline on the self it's a little more subtle it takes as much more energy and and you need to be centered that is Step number two all of this you will see will make your body into a better and better antenna and I'm not kidding this


better and better antenna and I'm not kidding this I'll it will sound all very fairy if I say that I had these kind of experiences these kinds of experiences every single human being irrespective of what their capabilities are where they are how much their understanding is if they are on this path they will find their results and it is it's perceivable we are not working in that direction since childhood nobody has put us on these paths so we haven't developed those siddhis let me use the word they'll develop those you know gotten far in those aspects abilities which are locked right yes you can unlock those abilities using these rules work towards it these eight are very that is why patanjali is considered more of a scientist than a series because he put down words in the most [Laughter] [Music] and put down knowledge that they gained from lots and lots of people and lots and lots of experimentation with the human mind and body and soul can I go for it this is again looking at


can I go for it this is again looking at knowledge as something that needs to be accumulated from multiple sources gather it here gather it here this all knowledge that everything that needs to be known is here already you can perceive you can tap into any aspect of creation all you need to do is work on this you don't go out in search of knowledge you sit down and close your eyes in search of knowledge can you read that so you don't you know yes this these knowledge systems existed around it's not that they are the first ones to have come up with it I mean some of these knowledge systems are like that they are the first ones to have come up with it but where did it come from it exists in creation it is a human capability that found expression through them because they were they worked on themselves that is why okay what about uh the other six steps which is your physical yoga Asana is to arrive okay to sit and to Asana is so it is any even patanjali goes on to


so it is any even patanjali goes on to describe it we are I'm thinking of how to describe it now did it patanjali just did everything spoke everything that needs to be known as everybody all yoga teachers probably know this already something any damn thing any posture of your body any situation where you are sukha where you are at ease is Theta where you are firm you need to be firm and you need should not be jungled up in your head that's it how do you get towards it because body is that biggest body hurdle towards being with if you sit for a long time this your knee starts to cramp or your shoulders start to you know ache your neck get stiff but to get towards that state of ease you need to you know rub the body exercise you know sad Guru uses this word again you need to knead the body knead like you you do it again and again so that it becomes malleable just no knots no hurdles within yourself so


just no knots no hurdles within yourself so you sit and sukhas here if you said that is Asana the third step I'm plugging in this for free but I got enormous value out of it is maybe any Asana you know course that is taught with some Integrity some sense of devotion and some sense of sanctity but this 21 day Hatha Yoga program that they offer in Israel Center coimbatore you just sit through those 21 days you will unlock these abilities that you've said within yourself and in such a tangible very perceivable no confusion as to amid thinking dreaming this up or is this something happening I mean I was not I'm not the guy who would like get brainwashed so easily but I bought into it and did I buy into it heavily is because it works yog that is why it's been coming down through whatever Millennia without anybody imposing it upon anybody else because as soon as you put in those works the very four steps the first few


in those works the very four steps the first few steps you will find those results for yourself you will see that these benefits are tangible possibilities in one's life Asana is getting the body to a state of ease physically and being firm in that pranayama is to uh so Prana is the life force within the body so breath is the physical aspect of it and then it goes in and will get into the chakras and all that stuff braces are one thing that links your body to your soul yes so if you learn to control your breath you're also controlling The Prana in your body there are three places in the body where uh which kind of tie the soul that you use the self let's just say you the sense of you to your physical body those are called as Brahma granthi Vishnu granthi and rudra granthi granthi literally means a knot in Sanskrit so there are this breath that is going in like a Sutra like a thread is tying up


like a Sutra like a thread is tying up yourself to your physical body like you said at three places and those three are called as Brahma Gandhi so the not of creation the not of sustenance and the not of dissolution they are at the manipura Kana and uh agnya chakras which is where manipuraka is slightly below the base of the belly sacral chakra sacral I think is swadishtana the one associated with sexual energies the reproductive one which is not the bottom most the bottom most is okay it is so manipura is the manipura is the one the fire the solar Lexus solar plexus is this that's not odd is yes solar plexus is that I know if you sacral is uh swadishtana maybe guys can somebody look up quickly what manipuraka is I think they call it above your belly button slightly below okay yeah uh let me go into this also it is tangible you can actually feel these in the body this will sound like


actually feel these in the body this will sound like you know all Airy Fairy stuff I don't want to uh go into uh ruining you know um okay The Logical aspect of it but they you can actually feel that energy you can move it it's life energy that is functioning within you can do things with it you there are many demonstrations of this very tangibly you can see that you can people can put off that fire just by looking at it uh so you can move that energy that is within you start with first finding where it is on being able to sense it that okay this is present this is not somebody's Theory this is how the human body functions then you see if you can move it around you can play around with it within your own body you can you can direct it wherever you want it's towards your eyes your feet your whatever you are doing then you see you can move it outside the Ambit of your body you push the limits a little more you started you look at it


limits a little more you started you look at it step by step and go towards you know and once the energies are floating around you can make things function like you are the Creator here let's go over the other steps also yes Yama niyama Asana pranayama pranayama is to get Mastery over like the life force how you do it there are steps you see they are getting gradually more and more subtle more and more complex so as you as you climb these steps you will you know the sadhana gets you need more and more discipline but that is why you need a guru so you you need not necessarily climb all the steps step by step step by step that is the beauty of it somebody can transfer all of it to you because you are already equipped it is not that you have to start with the building blocks all the building blocks are already there they just have to all in place but just to be tuned so pranayama Asana is to turn the senses inwards every


Asana is to turn the senses inwards every all the sense organs there are five sense organs this much we know and they even this was first figured out in a very sensible way in Sanskrit literature that Pancha indriya there are five sense organs there are five organs of action five motor organs this is actually mapped with the cerebral hemisphere cerebral cortex there is the motor homunculus and the sensory homunculus all that the neurologists these are actually mapped to the the lobes of the brain these five organs and their entire Ambit of activity their entire function is outward oriented you can see out through your eyes all the indrias uh Krishna again they are in the vishayas they are in the subject of their function they are always involved in that now you like uh like a tortoise retracts its limbs you from being outside and takes them into its shell kurma angani in bhagavad-gita it comes so you retract all your five sense organs within yourself and


retract all your five sense organs within yourself and you no longer have any input of what is going on in worldly input that level of control over your senses is called as there is this very simple mudra I mean to practice it as a physical process is simple to gain Mastery over it is takes a lot of time have you seen people practicing bhamary mudra yeah so you they close their eyes with their two fingers they plug their ears with their thumbs and their they do this they like this yes the yes sorry bro I can't hear anything I could do some practice corrections but uh but yes will you know you are physically doing it but without the help of your limbs also without forcibly doing it you can turn your you can Ashwini mudra there is a mudra where you just pull up your rectal muscles consciously it doesn't use hands what is it used for I've heard a lot of people saying this yeah it stops energies so what are all these energies again your