flying pigs which was actually a representation of the kind of masks they were yes so you know with these predictions you it's always like metaphorical it's never literal of course of course of course a person predicting or writing you know even the qurans they are the future purans like kalki puran talks about the future you know these These are the events that are going to happen so of course there's a bit of um you know rationalization that you need to do when you're reading these stories and when you are um trying to understand these stories because they were written in a previous Time by somebody who was not fully aware of how things would be in the future so whatever Visions the person received received which is written the Paran so whatever Visions he received of the future he has described according to those so there are um so devdath is the horse that he's going to ride which is sort of a flying horse you know there's very interesting mentions of uh them crossing the same bridge that


interesting mentions of uh them crossing the same bridge that Rama had created to uh reach Lanka so they return back to the mainland through that bridge do you do you 100 believe that Sri Lanka is Lanka uh so it's it's hard to say I would say it's hard to say but let's highlight that a little bit sure because I feel you know there is the distance is not as much as written mentioned in the scriptures distance between Indian Mainland and Sri Lanka is actually I don't think it's 100 yojins which the uh valmiki Raman mentions again need to highlight the Ice Age yes and highlight how they were probably into Oceanic Islands which are now hidden definitely what we call tectonic plates now yes could have been slightly exposed because water levels were a lot lower than yes and it also ties up with the belief that this is not from this current cycle ramayan was from the 24th Maha yoga so what was the coastline of India or Sri Lanka at that time it's very


India or Sri Lanka at that time it's very hard to say and in fact the Tamil literature the Sundown literature it actually mentions a continent called Kumari condom you know which shows which existed and uh scholar certain Scholars have is um kind of postulated that it linked Madagascar and Sri Lanka to Indonesia wow it was a huge continent below the southern tip of India now it's a possibility you never know how the C line how the shoreline Shoreline was that could have been Sri Lanka I mean that that could have been Lanka possible possible but you know for all practical purposes we have to understand that it was separated from the Indian Mainland it was a separate Island that's all we know I I wonder from a geopolitical scenario the British called Sri Lanka Sri Lanka to create a divide and Rule mentality between they actually called it Ceylon so um it may have come from the same name uh anglicized version but uh there's a possibility what do


version but uh there's a possibility what do londons call themselves Sri Lankan hallease so the island is mentioned as sinhala okay so at least for kalki we know that uh his bride would come from sinhala and um so so there's that and then there's massive fights between kalki and uh the disbelieving rulers of different continents so people who do not believe in Vedic principles or the principles of Hinduism so these are termed Malay in uh the scriptures and these are the barbarians or these are the unbelievers whom kalki will be fighting and there is a very interesting mention of uh to subordinates of uh Kali the demon okay we said on this Hinduism thing because uh this is the first time hearing about a story that talks about people who don't believe in Hinduism right from Hinduism I'm of the belief that you should be free to believe in whatever Faith you want right uh because that's your subjective reality right


want right uh because that's your subjective reality right uh did the scriptures mention exactly this that it's again sanatan dharam or Hinduism or did they just say something like against Dharma which could just mean ethics uh so see the scriptures actually talk about unbelievers and unbelievers or disbelievers are the ones traditionally they are considered those uh so in Hinduism there is schools of thought different schools of thought different philosophies right so the Orthodox philosophies are considered the ones that consider Vedas are Supreme they may follow their own path but they do not disbelieve in Vedas and the heretical ones or the heterodox ones are the philosophies that do not believe in Vedas so the scriptures when they're talking about disbelievers or unbelievers they're talking about people who do not believe in the supremacy of Vedas or the authenticity of Vedas so that could mean anything right in modern world it could mean anything but that's what the scriptures mentioned maybe my gauge


but that's what the scriptures mentioned maybe my gauge for the modern world or personal level is just kindness like of course see things change uh principles change principles of religion change and I think of a lot of modern religions have that uh kindness aspect ingrained you know at least a followers do even if the original religious uh uh you know tenants may not have stressed on them so forcefully today we all understand that you know being nice to your fellow uh being your neighbor and helping the society grow is what religion is supposed to do you know it is supposed to bring people together and it's supposed to bring people closer to God and in Indian thought the way to come closer to God the best way to come closer to God is through helping the fellow Souls achieve that stage of Enlightenment also you know that is why you have so many examples of saints and sages who could have easily attained salvation but they stayed back they did not work only for


but they stayed back they did not work only for their own salvation they imparted knowledge to people to uplift the entire Society bring it to a god Consciousness and that is why an Indian thought you know there's always this fight between Believers and disbelievers so because the Indian thought is that you have to uh you know there's a bigger purpose to life bringing people upwards is great we know which is your karma which is karmiog frankly right you know whatever position you are in society you fulfill that to the best of your abilities the ones around you helping the ones around you fulfilling your responsibilities to your family to your Society to your uh friends to your work everything that's Karma yog but you do it with a thought that I'm doing this for God so the belief in God has to be there whenever there is a belief that I am doing it that is not Karma Yoga you know that is a sense of ego or entitlement maybe this is what I draw from


ego or entitlement maybe this is what I draw from what you said that rather than um them say no anti-hinduism will be targeted it's much more the non-godly people yes uh targeted yes yes and so the fights with these uh Kings and they are all described very vividly and you know there's two subordinates of Kali that are very interesting you know called and they are they're very interesting they're two demons who uh who can who can be killed only if uh they're killed together otherwise they will not die if you kill one of them and uh it's a very interesting fight I don't want to reveal everything I would like people to read the kalki puran you know it's a short uh book and it's it's interesting it's an interesting story okay what do you think that could mean people who can't die I feel you know it's some sort of a symbiotic being you know where Quantum particles yes yes quite possible or it could be you know the entire story of Kali


could be you know the entire story of Kali and kalki could take us into the uh you know AI Zone you know for all you know they could be uh automatons or robotic beings you know who are connected to each other and you know they the the source is in one it's like you know horcruxes and all that the this one will not die till the other one is also killed so there could be so many different interpretations to that yeah or it could be in a Quantum realm entirely you know quite possible wild ideas with Dr Agarwal so while this podcast began with five steadfast uh flag poles I think we've gone all over the place and just given people a free-flowing conversation on the subject which I actually prefer in podcasts maybe you know to describe this kind of um Larger than Life aspect of kalki what I'd also like to highlight is lots of modern day Scholars consider the Vishnu puran to be a commentary on human evolution in terms of if you


commentary on human evolution in terms of if you see the first avatar it was a fish the second of tar was amphibian yeah the third one was a boar yes and then progressively you kept getting uh slightly more evolved after the fourth one after the boar was half man and half animal yeah and then you have the vaman which is sort of the Primitive man you know the pygmy the pygmy yeah and then you move to parshuram we which is the jungle dwelling man you know Forest dwelling man because he was not living in the society he had an ax right so the tools primitive tools were getting developed then you moved to civilization with ram and Krishna with with ram who's a king in a civilized society yes uh a simple society which believed in God Etc you have Krishna who is a king in a overly civilized society where there is also enmity between people enmity within families corrupted societies then I want to ask you this whole uh


then I want to ask you this whole uh Buddha angle you'd mentioned that some scriptures talk about Buddha some don't what's the angle there because I know that there's a lot of Hindus who consider Buddha to be the ninth Avatar I have nothing to say I have no opinion here uh because I haven't read the scriptures enough honestly uh what do the scriptures say about Buddha being a part of this one this isn't a Buddhism versus Hinduism battle I feel we're all one at the end of the day especially when we talk about Indian cultures um there's no such thing as Buddhism Buddhism it's just a commentary on knowledge seeking right I think there are a lot of scriptures that mention see it's not up to you or me to decide whether he was an Incarnation or not it's what the scriptures say a lot of scriptures do mention Buddha and uh you know all that I would say is that you know please try and research a little


is that you know please try and research a little uh people who say that Buddha was not an Incarnation you can easily find references from scriptures that do mention Buddha some people argue that there are two or three different Buddhas mentioned but every time they are mentioned they are mentioned as an Incarnation okay what do you mean two or three different so there are different timelines different Buddhas emerged you know for different purposes wow so so some some places some scriptures that uh they mentioned that Buddha was born in Gaya so some people argue that you know Buddha was not born in Gaya so this is not that Buddha so there are different arguments that people have against Buddha being a part of uh the list but there are many scriptures who do consider him in the list and I feel I mean and instead of finding differences and you know creating differences we should find Common Ground between the religions um you know like for example like I I got into Buddhism heavily recently and


I got into Buddhism heavily recently and I've grown up being a very uh Pious Hindu boy genuinely but um I feel there's a lot to learn from Buddhist teachings and it is slightly different from Hindu teachings it's not um it doesn't clash with any Hindu teachings just add some supplemental value for example um just this pursuit of taking over your own mind being able to control your own mind right this concept is spoken about in Hinduism but it's spoken about so much more in Buddhism you know where there's this famous quote from the Buddha that says that if you learned that a man who learns how to control his mind is greater than one who can win a thousand battles definitely and that's that's so true and it's so important for the times that we live in you know where we talk about anxiety overthinking panic attacks uh the angle here is that your mind and your intelligence working against you right it's the same thing as what


working against you right it's the same thing as what satguru says which are teachings of Shiva and all that but we don't speak about those teachings enough in the modern day so there's a lot of relevant teachings that I've actually figured from Buddhism it's sort of higher spiritual studies of course all these things must be present in Hinduism and all that but two angles are one not enough texts have been converted from Sanskrit into English or even if they have been converted people haven't been exposed to them yeah that is that is the issue and that's the second one yes and I'll just highlight one difference between the two philosophies is that you know in these uh philosophies like Buddhism and Jainism asceticism is uh a virtue you know so you can uh the highest goal is to leave this world become an ascetic you know spiritually advancement needs you to become a Hermit or have a hermetic approach towards life in Hinduism this was an inclusive


towards life in Hinduism this was an inclusive concept I would say you know in uh these philosophies that are considered heterodox philosophies these are not Orthodox philosophies that came up along with Hinduism in Ancient India around 500 600 BC that you know these philosophies they laid more stress on living a life of seclusion on controlling your senses in Hinduism the focus was on dharm Earth calm and moksh it was not just smokes it was a holistic life the word ashram Dharma you know which is 4-4 division of everything so you learn in brahmacharya you learn about the scriptures you learn the basic concepts right in griha sashram you earn money you enjoy the carnal pleasures of life you know your conjugal relationships and everything in the van press you learn to detach yourself from everything and in sannyas is your ascetic life so in Hinduism there was a gradual progression towards ascetricism whereas in these philosophies it was a sudden movement the


in these philosophies it was a sudden movement the moment you get Enlightenment leave everything in go that is what Buddha did right so you know the moment you get the inspiration insulation yeah so in Hinduism always it has been a gradual progress Hinduism never looked down upon sannyasis so you know this this there's a belief that you know uh these religions are always at loggerheads there was friction between them historically they must have been friction because they're different philosophies ultimately you know fighting for Supremacy and vedanta ultimately won you know in India because of debates and because of ADI shankaracharya and lot of other bhakti movement came into play and all that what do you mean one as in like the masses adopted Hinduism more than yes yes the principal see for any society to survive you need a certain population to be involved in economic Pursuits a certain set of population involved in protecting the country if everybody becomes a sannyasi how will the


if everybody becomes a sannyasi how will the society survive right so these are so there was a positive way to look at things and there's you know there's no differentiation between the teachings in the sense that you know we all talk about your salvation you know in Buddhism salvation means something else and Hinduism means something else but we are all talking about salvation right but in Hindu philosophy the four-fold division of one ashram Dharma it helped a person experience everything a which the world has to offer get experiences get the knowledge from the scriptures from the gurus as a householder perform duties who will sustain the society if you don't marry if you you know the society will not continue right if you don't perform yagnas if you don't do uh you know Temple worship or give Dan you know to so how will these people survive how will the mendicans survive because the sannyasis they don't earn right for sannyasis to survive there has


earn right for sannyasis to survive there has to be a householder right for them to survive for one person you know people who have gone to the forest to survive they have to be uh you know their family to look after their needs so it's a it's a symbiotic relationship the word ashram dharm everybody looked after each other and I believe Buddhism kind of spread and grew because of adapting to the countries that it spread to so in China had adopted Chinese philosophies as well mixed it with Buddhism in tibeted adopted Bond philosophies and adapted with Tibet yes yes same with Japan same with Sri Lanka definitely if you actually see the Buddhism practice in Sri Lanka it's very different from what is practice in Tibet so you know the theravada school in the Mahayana school and the vajrayan school they're very different in their approach coming back to kalki again um we spoke about Krishna and how he was a king within a


Krishna and how he was a king within a corrupted Society the next evolution of man is the enlightened man which was Buddha yes according to the scripture if you believe in the dash after you know again we're not going back to that controversy whether he was not a part of it but if you believe in it it shows that you know Buddha mostly talked about following the middle path which Krishna has also mentioned in the bhagavad-gita you know but Buddha highlighted it that you know you follow the middle path you know in in fact a lot of people don't know that the earliest depictions of Buddha in Indian art are like are of a emaciated sadhu you know because he went to an extreme while doing tapasya he forgot eating he was completely turned into a skeleton you know while uh attaining Enlightenment and that's when he started preaching the middle path that you have to avoid extremes don't indulge completely in sensual Pleasures don't do complete


completely in sensual Pleasures don't do complete mortification of your body follow the middle path which allows your body to remain uh you know in a healthy State and you follow whatever religious thoughts you want to follow is would it be fair to say that the kalki avtar which is the tenth of tar is the form of man beyond being enlightened definitely which is an astral being very very lightly you know it means something uh in respects of evolution which we haven't really even thought about you know like did the did the early Homo sapiens think that we'd one day be able to build rocket ships and leave this planet and go to the moon so it's at a level that we can't even imagine right now and possibly I would say it has to do with your mental progression the evolution of your brains because our bodies have evolved into whatever they were meant to be right we still have a lot of vestigial organs within our body like the appendix Etc you know which don't serve


like the appendix Etc you know which don't serve any purpose which clearly shows that our bodies have evolved so what is left to see is the mental progression a lot of scientists say that you know we do not use a lot of our mental capacities you know it's only ten percent or twenty percent of the brains that we use which may or may not be strictly true but it's safe to say that there's a lot more that needs to be understood of our mental faculties you know so I think this Evolution will come in the form of uh the field of telekinesis or teleportation or some siddhis that you know we talk about in the scriptures which are called kind of people could be occult or they could just be harnessing the power of your mind you know they may not be very Sinister or they may do not have to be you know mystical Powers it could just be the use of your brain in a better way you know to understand your environment to understand the


you know to understand your environment to understand the universe and utilize those Sciences what are we doing today we are utilizing the electromagnetic radiation that's all around us for The Telecast for internet for our cellular phones everything these are things that are already existing once we found out about them we started using them right so maybe it's it's it's about an evolution stage where our mental faculties can also be similarly tapped into and all engineering arises from science and science arises from creativity right all scientists have actually been creative professionals who have done a lot of guesswork and a lot of hypothesizing right before they actually chase a scientific Chase um you know in saying that when we read about these studies about meditation which is what the Buddha did to get to Enlightenment we also find that along this process of long-term meditation you have long-term effects on your brain like your corpus callosum thickens yes Therefore your processing power of your brain increases uh the size of your amygdala


your brain increases uh the size of your amygdala reduces slightly yes I think it's it's like the activation of your amygdala reduce you know amygdala is responsible for all your fear responses so basically what that means in the long term is a sense of self-belief increases right your calm increases and you see this with people who meditate a lot right you know they are slightly different yes that's all I'd like to say it's not about being elevated or not they just Karma yes and probably buddha showed that right you know his entire life when you see you see he's he's reacted very differently to the situations right than a normal person you know way even the story of anguli Mal you know where that person is coming with a sword to cut his finger and the way he responds way the way he handles that situation is very very uh you know suggestive of her enlightened uh person and kalki would be one next level you know where it is not just


one next level you know where it is not just a spiritual enlightenment your control over your material environment but your mental faculties probably a hint of AI as well you know for all you know because now Internet connects everybody the next you know futuristic science or sci-fi concepts are about the synthesis of humans and machines machines who knows what it could be yeah if you if you feed enough information into AI it becomes what people call sentient which means it has feelings it has emotions yes again I don't know and actually that's the next domain we've been trying to tap with this podcast I don't know how many uh listeners we'll get on those episodes even if we get fantastic AI professionals usually these engineering technology-based conversations don't get as many listeners for some reason but in saying that uh I would agree with you because we know that biotech is also evolving so much we've done a few biotech conversations with Dr Sid Wario everything from 3D printing to stem cell research to um


everything from 3D printing to stem cell research to um AI yeah to uh Nanobots all these Technologies are being developed which effectively means that machines are going to become a part of our bodies as well they're definitely going to enhance our capabilities and you never know kalki could be somebody who has uh immense Powers because of these abilities because of availability of these abilities so there's a thought you know um dogs Agarwal how would you like to end this conversation uh well you know I think um the last conversation also we uh was you know on it ended on the note for kalki and I think I would like to repeat that reiteration you know that uh the belief in Messiah is great you know the we want to believe that somebody will come to save us but I feel you know it is imperative that we start living a life where we do not need to be saved you know as a society as a culture not just I'm not talking about Indians or I'm talking about


not talking about Indians or I'm talking about the world you know the globe everywhere we should be working towards achieving that kalki within ourselves you know where we can take care of things we do not need an external savior to come and set things right for us why can't we do it baby steps whatever each person can do plant a tree you know help an often uh save a stray animal you know adopt a stray animal or there's so many small things that we can do you know save on electricity cut down on your power usage cut down on the fuel usage use public transport they sound very cliche you know when you say it but there are practical steps that we can do to help our environment keeping in mind uh SRI Ram who was all about ethics keep in mind Krishna who was all about dharam which is doing the right thing even if it means doing a few wrong things keeping in mind the Buddha who reminds us to meditate and to spiritual evil this is the final


meditate and to spiritual evil this is the final message of God which is proactiveness that wherever you can you get the job done if you see something wrong happening in the world go address it if you see the opportunity for good to be done you go do it right um within ourselves that is the intense intense I'd like to end this by saying that you look a lot like Rahul dravidson you never told you that so many times like I wanted to tell you that outside he he was my favorite cricketer and he is still so yeah I always take it as a company because you know he talks there's a lot of resemblance and these random moons in the middle of the podcast they were smiling I was actually thinking of that but at the end of this episode we were supposed to do an other episode today but I think we'll just stick to one yeah and leave the audience guessing or what the next one could possibly be it's an interesting topic yes thank you once


possibly be it's an interesting topic yes thank you once again thank you thank you so much so that was the episode for today as I said earlier on this podcast the intention with this show now is to take it International they say that human beings need food shelter clothing and stories and we're a land full of stories and often it's very very deep philosophy that's packed into these stories as a podcaster when you are talking to someone who's extremely well read it's also an exchange of ideas it's never just questions from your side there's elements of yourself that you bring to the table as a podcast and there's elements of your own philosophies the beliefs that you have the thoughts that you have that you get to reflect upon that you get to analyze through these conversations the fact that I get to do it in front of an audience like yourselves makes this experience of broadcasting even more enriching it's one of the biggest blessings of my life I've got offers from other Industries


of my life I've got offers from other Industries to take a business full-time to get into acting but there's a part of me that can't leave podcasting because of conversations like this I hope you enjoyed this conversation as much as I did what I will request of you is that you share it as much as possible especially with nris non-resident Indians especially with people from other countries other parts of society that are fascinated by India there's so much to unpack from our great culture this was just a small highlight and for more conversations like this make sure you follow us on Spotify every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world this was a fantastic episode with Dr Vinita Agarwal on TRS we'll be back soon [Music]


how have people not approached you with the intention of asking you all i think that intimacy has become so accessible it's it's very convenient to get it whenever they wanted and then also makes people too scared to commit to it you know what i mean like they're too intimidated by intimacy and they also have access to it at their convenience which which keeps them away from ever forming a real equation with anyone did that make sense yeah you said something very deep have you watched seoul yes sir that's probably number one on the list i'm very chill with my own brain i'm not chill with my soul oh wow that's a statement like that's a bumper sticker or like a tumblr coat that like these emo girls who just broke up with their boyfriend would put on like their babies that's me here's the thing with the indian film industry it's rapidly changing what it was pre-pandemic is not what it is today post pandemic everything from the way films are made


post pandemic everything from the way films are made to the way they're financed the way they're received by audiences is changing so what happens to the upcoming stars what happens to the upcoming artists what happens to beautiful people like john v kapoor often they don't get a chance to really talk their heart out often they don't get to express themselves on public forums because they always asked about the same things on repetitive interview format style shows and that's where podcasts and the magic of podcasts come into play john v kapoor opened up like never before in today's episode for more episodes like this follow us on spotify spotify exclusive which means that every episode's available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world this is jan v kapoor opening up for the first time in front of the whole world on the internet and she is on the runway show one of the cutest conversations of deal check it out [Music] it's a beautiful sunday we got a beautiful jk john


a beautiful sunday we got a beautiful jk john v kapoor in the house that was an energy switch up we went from like jazz music and speaking in baritones to like jk what's up jk i don't know i'm having fun this is actually the most fun i've had in a long time and we haven't even started yet so i'm excited on what basis are you having fun though i don't know i think the jazz music did it for me and your view and just your general purest approach to something that's been so commercialized um i'd love to know more about this purest approach to something that's been commercialized i mean hasn't it been like what what's the it it as in the world of content the world of content the accessibility to um relevance and um the accessibility to like being someone who has a voice on the internet who can reach out to people being an influence or a youtuber or content creator and and all of a sudden i feel like all these terms seem


a sudden i feel like all these terms seem impersonal but you have such a personal approach to it which i think was very refreshing okay what i do want to say about you is that no one will know your true vibe until they meet you in person really yeah what did you think my vibe was before you met me in person i'll tell you at the end of this conversation okay okay okay right now our question for you okay how's life going life is going life is going um life is going good okay i had a brief moment when i was at the lift on my way up to your apartment that i don't have anything to get like and see in my pantsy about and i've never felt like that in a really long time and sometimes i almost look for reason to feel like that because it's a weird kind of comfort to have something to fixate on like okay i have this to like break my head over um i don't have anything to break my head over okay how do you feel


to break my head over okay how do you feel in life right now i you know strangely enough i would replicate exactly what you just said really and copy paste it on to my recent existence well touch words good for you touch your word man i okay you know though i told you i'll tell you something about you at the end of the conversation i do want to say something right now uh you have more depth than i thought that you did before meeting you and i know that's slightly offensive for sure not at all but uh there's a lot of thoughts in there like based on even the conversation we had outside i'm telling you about the special forces you're genuinely listening and we don't see too many media folks interested in the world outside of their own media world right do you read books like where's all this knowledge and these perspectives coming from jk i'm a curious person and i love reading i love travelling and i just i love people okay i think people and like humans they


love people okay i think people and like humans they are walking talking encyclopedia of their own experiences and and uh you know they've their own film they're the protagonist of their own movie of their own book of their own novel and and i just love conversing with people that i think have something to say and i actually love listening to people speak about things that they're passionate about things that make them feel something and you seem like a feeler in a very non like creepy creepy way i didn't the other way to describe that is empath an empath yes i've been told i'm an empath as well yes see that's another bit that i wanted to tell you at the end but you're just bringing it all out of me jk yeah i don't have much patience but um but no i i just think that i think also the actor and me likes to hear people i don't know their eyes light up in a different way and i don't think you noticed when you were speaking about


don't think you noticed when you were speaking about you know meeting all these monks and all the things that they told you you kind of like looked away and i could see you kind of like leave the room a bit which was just i just enjoy those kind of introductions you know why why because i genuinely have these thoughts of just leaving all this shaving my eyebrows shaving my head and becoming a monk what have your eyebrows and hair done to you i just want to know like become this elbow dude you you're a very now i'm just i'm purely talking about your looks we spoke about your mind and your soul enough okay you're like a very attractive person and i of course it helps you in your acting career and you've got this whole like artsy mysterious brooding attractive vibe but i also feel no one's getting sweaty all of a sudden no no no don't worry i'm i mean that's that's uh it's genuinely what the


mean that's that's uh it's genuinely what the world is thinking about you john v kapoor but on the other side you eat five bowls of nutella ice cream so you're also this person i like i like the variety and i think that's what people are liking about you as a brand you have to say anything about that i didn't know they were liking anything about me as a brand because i you know i've been told so many times before to think about this term me as a brand and i just can't get myself to think like that and i've been told it's one of my shortcomings as um as someone in this profession because so many people have told me that you need to give the audiences something simple to identify with are you the girl that wears the salvation and goes to the temples are you the girl that wears like skimpy clothes outside the gym are you the ditsy girl that says inappropriate things in interviews are you um are you someone who cares


interviews are you um are you someone who cares about their craft and like dislocates both her shoulders prepping for a role like who like which one are you and i'm all of these things that's that's the strength man i think people want authenticity in today's dna but are they ready for it yeah i mean if you're ready to put authenticity out which i believe you are i mean i i've been giving less and less of a flavor about what i'm putting out and i think it's throwing people off a little bit but um but i i just i'm tired i think of taking the pressure of catering a certain image and i just want to find out who i am for myself more than for others now and it feels good yeah and i think i think your career is going to do that for you like hopefully any kind of art form helps you with self-discovery i think so that's why i like what i do so much did you feel like that did you have an


much did you feel like that did you have an epiphany ever of like now i'm gonna stop giving a and i'm gonna do me for me yeah probably after covert you know yes i think that's what's happening the pandemic has like sped up this process of like realigning your priorities a bit yeah and also i think i think over the course of this show you get to meet so many people and you get to understand that happiness is so different for everyone yeah and um you know you also things have to deep dive into people's minds so i don't know whether this is therapy i don't want to call it therapy i'm psychology i was entering like a therapy session when i entered your apartment i was like oh okay no no it's not but i love seeing people's minds in the same way that you love seeing people's minds and uh it's a very like nice zone to be here yeah you kind of get a kick out of it you feel like you've lived through


out of it you feel like you've lived through someone else's lifetime almost when you have a real conversation with someone yeah you know one thing that i've seen about your mind now what what do you think it is i don't know you're still a little okay wait hold on first you're janu kapoor okay and the world's eyes are on you right now but at the same time parallelly you're still this humble nice problem slightly underconfident oh severely underconfident yeah that's there like why why is it difficult for you to think that you're an attractive lady i don't know what's what's weird about like why why why don't you just embrace it because i think that and i've said this many times before but i think that um from a very young age uh there have been versions of this nepotism debate that have made their way into my life how old are you when you first started to figure this since school um since as long as i can remember small remarks like you know why you


i can remember small remarks like you know why you did well on that test it's because your parents are famous and like the teacher star struck or like oh you only like this person's only friends with you because like like they think you're cool because you're famous so everything in my life someone has taunted me about saying it's not you it's not you they like it's not you they value it's your parents so i think it kind of like diminishes or makes you question what you have to offer in this world homie as a complete outsider to your industry it is partially true that that's how the world works people talk to you on a nice to you based on who you are and where you come from yeah but did you realize that could you separate the reels from the not reals i think um see i i need to admit to myself that there is some amount of truth in what all of these people are saying and um i would rather be underconfident than be delusional to


would rather be underconfident than be delusional to like all this attention and everything i'm getting and i'm on beer biceps and all only on my own merit that's delusional and i'd rather be underconfident about it than arrogant in what i have in life so it's okay like i'll deal with some of those feeling like down and out kind of days but i'd rather have that than be because because i think when you're arrogant about it you get complacent in your art and you stagnate in your growth as a person um and and that's what i would hate i strongly believe art is a little bit genetic at least i think there is a part of it that comes from your parents and i say that because we've had some evolutionary psychologists on the show we had some doctors who've been studying like dna sequencing all that so what i've understood is that there's the nucleus there's also something called a mitochondria inside the cell yes is that the cell wall no


inside the cell yes is that the cell wall no no the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell right which is the energy okay okay now parallelly there's something called paternal lineage and maternal lineage i'm not too sure about what paternal lineage carries but maternal lineage is the mitochondria so every woman can trace back her mitochondria to her mom and her mom and her mom and her mom and this is like proven yeah it's like a real thing so your energy levels who you are uh how you look at life and how you look at it down genetically from your mom's side and even for guys they get it from their mom's side but the guy can't pass it on to his children he passes on paternal lineage which honestly i don't know much about at this stage but i believe it's something to do with personality and characteristics and it might be wrong the maternal lineage part is to do with energy levels and the ability to be proactive okay but i do feel both


ability to be proactive okay but i do feel both the father and the mother add up and you come from like an artistic family that's why internally you are driven about probably the world of cinema probably the world of art probably the world of films i guess so i mean that's one argument for nepotism then it's a scientific one like what do you do it's in my mitochondria no fair fair uh but what's it like actually growing up in a film family like you know okay what's the other what's the other side of this whole buddhism word like what's what's the good aspect of it what's the artistic aspect of it because i grew up in a family of doctors i grew up in a family of gynecologists i know everything about childbirth dude like i won't be able to give birth to a child but i don't want to but i know a lot about reproductive fast like involuntarily you're just know this information everything my dinner table conversations it's like uteruses and


my dinner table conversations it's like uteruses and this one didn't get a period and it's just it's all in my mind how attractive for like did the table talk it's so normal for me that um you know it's just become a part of my life it also made me understand that men's and women's bodies are very different and that makes that i mean obviously the energies are different but it changes so much i think um what this did to me as a child growing up i i loved it i i honestly i was telling you before i skipped a lot of school so my education was primarily on like my dad's film sets or traveling with my mom and uh and formal education is very important but the things that i learned traveling with them on a film said so much about um things like respecting people's time different cultures um and i think that emotional intelligence that comes with understanding the sensitivity of an artist in artistic environment is so priceless and we at home are


environment is so priceless and we at home are so consumed by our love for films and cinema and honest good work in that field that it's what drives us i think you know after losing mom that the only thing that's kept me going and my dad going i think apart from the love and support that we feel from uh family um is our love for films honestly i i don't think i'd have the will to go through with it if i didn't love what i do so much in a way that it's almost selfish i love it so much i can't i like it's almost keeping me alive i think you know they say that uh degrees are going to matter lesser and lesser going forward and there's this very big edtech startup in india called unacademy the founder that gaurav manjar told me this that they can you know kind of predict through the data they have yeah that degrees are mattering lesser and lesser for the sake of earning money through a job skills matter more real


of earning money through a job skills matter more real world experience but how do you measure those skills because i i would assume that was the point of having a degree a measure of the skills and so now what the stuff you spoke about from your childhood understanding human nature respecting human beings punctuality protection in like a job interview in a job interview it's up to like the people are taking the interview and often at least with with our team like when waiting interviews we've done so many now that we can ask questions which will catch people but uh in the long term you only prove yourself through your professional performance okay so let me ask you a question if i came to you for a job interview would i get the job on the basis of this conversation uh if you showed up uh i wouldn't take the interview because then i'd keep like blushing in the middle of it no no i'm kidding okay you want me to break you down professionally yeah uh i've had actors on the show


professionally yeah uh i've had actors on the show uh i don't know you well enough yet at the end of two hours we'll answer this again but uh at the get go i feel you have perspective just like your brother arjun yeah i've met him and he's someone who has a lot of perspective if you get to know him yeah and a lot of people don't know him a lot of people don't know you i don't know why that is i think it's because like the interviews that you folks give it's a very limited perspective that gets rid of the questions are like you know sometimes we get penalized for having um for not seeming interested or interesting in our answers but the questions that are being asked are impersonal and generic also and more often than not asked with the intention of trying to get click bait so you already feel like defensive okay can i get some click bait because like in exactly seven minutes i'm gonna tie up my hand like fold my legs and


gonna tie up my hand like fold my legs and next speak rubbish because that's what always happens no no chill chill i'm gonna protect you jk okay good but uh what i do wanna ask you is you spoke about impersonal questions so i'm gonna go like hyper personal okay are you ready i'm ready okay what's your biggest insecurity for me i think what if it's probably what if i am as little as people think of me or i am as limited as they would imagine me to be what if do you believe that you aren't yeah but then i have my days where i'm like but what if they're right like what if i don't have much to offer are you very aware of the criticism that your brand gets um [Music] i was but i think now i'm more aware of what i have to offer than i am of the criticism i'm not into films in general okay i'm not into your world as much but i do follow brands as a marketing person okay your


i do follow brands as a marketing person okay your brand is growing so you're going in the right direction and i'm a very like amateur watcher in this whole thing do you not like watching films um i don't know man i i do have adhd like eisen have been diagnosed with it it's a little difficult for me to watch a film unless it's like really like intriguing me that's so ironic though for someone with adhd to like have so much tear of in conversation did you work on these kind of interactions for you to like stay in it and with it so much i can only listen well for the sake of my art form because it's kind of like meditation are you getting what i'm saying it's kind of like a fast from the rest of my life which is outside the camera like these folks over my teammates they know how insane it gets working with you because i switch from like one idea to another but the meditation helps and this is meditative and i


the meditation helps and this is meditative and i meditate a lot generally like actual meditation but uh yeah and also i don't know it's just um um i i need i need a film to really pick me up and then i'll watch it you up with those many words like quentin tarantino is probably your only go-to then uh yeah or like darren aronofsky have you seen get out yes oh god yeah like i need watch um oh no what was that film i think the director of get out only made it uh i know this uh us us oh no but then there was another one where like they're old people and they like fall off a cliff and she has a lot of flowers on her head uh midsummer myth summer yeah it was the director of hereditary and i've noticed yes okay watch both those films really much heritage it stayed it stays with me till today yeah because and and you know what i was discussing this with said roy kapoor and i think ayan as well yeah


said roy kapoor and i think ayan as well yeah uh generally indian films need a lot more horror and dark content because that's where the world of digital content is headed as in dark stuff all over the world is taking off to the degree where even we are like trying to pivot into like why haven't we been through a dark enough phase people want escapism through what they like what i told you right now the adhd thing it's not just me it's also an entire generation of folks younger than us like the next the gen the actual gen z is born after 2000 they need really gripping to be able to but is that is that genuine genuine like clinically diagnosed adhd or is it like social media induced adhd uh i don't think it's clinically diagnosed but what i have understood from a neuroscientist on the show dr said warrior he said that real short short content can strengthen your brain's tendency to have something similar to what clinically diagnosed adhd is


something similar to what clinically diagnosed adhd is another way to put that would also be weaken your capabilities of maintaining an attention span for longer than 30 seconds yes exactly and that's why euphoria as a show works because there's so much so much happening and the camera moves like that like you can't stay for a second i love that show same you know why you love the show because it's not completely real and there is a sense of escapism which all of us crave but wouldn't you want to escape into something pleasant um i would i mean i mean clearly not you like get out and us what do you like what are your favorite movies okay let's play a game sure i'll guess your favorite movies and use your smile based on get out and here yeah yeah okay so you have i have clues now we'll say top five okay okay you want to go first no you go first get out yeah that's one here at a tree you you win you win here i want to say


you you win you win here i want to say like an avenger movie no no no no no maybe doctor strange is the first oh right doctor strange maybe but can you give that to me three movies three more no no i've got doctors give me doctor strange i said avengers because because you're looking gorgeous today okay if you weren't dressed so well i wouldn't give it to you okay fine i'll take care so two more mm-hmm forrest gump because that's a very eclectic five films um no four four films so one more i think you'd probably like something like i feel like there's a romantic in you also how do you know that jk i don't know there's a romantic in you for sure there's only a romantic in me there's not only a roommate i feel you're very capable of playing a female ghost on screen very intensely i have i know you have been torn out too well for me though no no but you have this whole dark side that i can like


you have this whole dark side that i can like sense a little bit there's there's some dark stuff for sure one of my teachers and ellie came up to me and and he was like do you have like daddy issues or something i was like no no that's not what i meant by dark side i just feel you're very open to twisted conversation which i won't do on this show i am very open to twisted conversation um fifth film i wanna say like i feel like there needs to be a child in you also right to be this sensitive maybe like you watched seoul yes sir that's probably number one on the list i was gonna say like inside out inside out's nice but i'm very chill with my own brain i'm not chill with my soul oh wow that's a statement like that's a bumper sticker or like a tumbler coat and like these emo girls who just broke up with their boyfriend would put on like their babies that's me i'm at peace with my mind


babies that's me i'm at peace with my mind not my soul do you feel like that as well i feel you feel like that i feel like that's why you're feeling like some connective this dude is kind of as tough as i am but i get that i'm saying that as a compliment i'm not i'm not saying it i'm not i'm not insulting you no i don't feel insulted are you sure yeah are you sure just me like nothing insults me anymore nothing is something i'm like immune to insults because of all the scrutiny yeah what what's it like being at the level of fame you're at wait but you haven't guessed oh okay let's take it down to three ah okay no no i'll guess 10 dude for you uh okay romantic 500 days of summer yes okay let me wait i'll have to like look into your eyes don't get creeped out when you were younger you liked that very cliched ryan gosling film notebook notebook but


very cliched ryan gosling film notebook notebook but uh not right now yeah not right now because you disconnected from it you applied it on one of your relationships and like disconnected from it okay second i'm gonna keep saying there's a lot of hollywood and i appreciate that yeah but a lot of films that you probably haven't seen interstellar yeah i feel like interstellar would have been in your top five also top ten top inception yeah inception you like matthew mcconaughey yeah but i liked him a lot in dallas buyers club oh which is like not a romantic okay uh do you like that brad pitt film about that you know coffee shop scene macho black meet joe black yeah but i mean not the biggest fan of it okay he was cute though darker you said right you said okay any hindi films up there a lot actually but you wouldn't have seen onions no i've seen old hindi films dude like i'm yeah so old only like 1950s 60s oh no


yeah so old only like 1950s 60s oh no no yeah no i wish i had seen old hindi films the only old indie films i've seen is what's the movie we saw like yeah the way they've edited it you get to see how the editor anyway that's a youtubers trip because our life is all about editing they're talking about you again um romantic right lot of these like 2000s rom-com vibes do you like 10 things i hate about you i can live without seeing it i give up dude you're like a box of mystery and it also sounds like your guard is up a little bit now but uh hmm i definitely i definitely see the shining no good film not my favorite not your favorite dark i like that you're not being able to figure this out yeah because now your heart is out it wasn't until like the first one you're a black mirror girl for sure though no i give up dude it's too pessimistic no no i'm not getting out now now


pessimistic no no i'm not getting out now now dude you're being like extra no but like i'll be honest titanic okay sure okay titanic and then like a bunch of these old hindi films like piazza when you watch a film from another decade it's a representation of how life and perceptions were in that decade right i just love that feeling of nostalgia i think so i prefer older films a lot of these old english films you know you just said right now what did you just say about this place it's really tripped out why why do you think it's really tripped out firstly it was because every time he wanted you to cut you just picked up on it and then i realized they were doing some sign language thing but but then like i feel like everyone's energy just changed the minute we walked into your house um when we were scouting for houses yeah we saw like 30 houses on this one particular day but this house was the first one that we saw and there was


was the first one that we saw and there was some strange ass energy in this house where you just walk into a space and you realize that there's something really positive here that's looking at me okay so hear me out do you believe in ghosts yeah okay okay when we moved in here in january my uh business head nachiket he used to sleep in the room that i'm in right now he stayed there for like a week before i stayed i'm really scared and and and he said that he would wake up feeling like someone's looking at him but not trying to harm him what the hell dude okay when i moved in here i felt the same thing for a week but the thing is i have had a lot of occult experiences in life like what are you saying and and my take on it is casper the friendly ghost but i see they're all friendly no it's mixed so the not friendly ones do what have you heard of poltergeists and pish arch and things like that


poltergeists and pish arch and things like that that sounds bad uh so they say that you know what we know ghosts as it's a very general term and actually there's different kinds of these awkward entities when a person dies depending on the person's personality and the way they've died their nature as a ghost also changes so if they've died in a lot of anger like if they feel they were killed before it was their time they live with a lot of anger and aggression when they're a ghost and they're constantly trying to reach out have you seen that tom so you're not thomas bruce willis movie uh you know where he's sixth yeah the sixth sense that is a real thing according to some of the psychics that i've spoken about and according to the paranormal investigators that we've had on the show we had a bunch which is why i see that skull i said that this wall represents like a lot of the uh vibes of the show but my point is about this


of the show but my point is about this house i felt like there was something in this house that was friendly which was friendly and it went away when we um were here the thing is if you if you do deep meditations they say push out all the pre-existing energies but pre-existence energies leave traces of themselves because it was their house before so the calming you feel is a mix of the meditation we put in we do a lot of meditations in this house uh along with something that was here that was just a positive energy the thing is we're taught to believe ghosts are all bad because of culture but that's not really half a bad that's comforting no but i do i mean i do believe that every person has their energy and and so many people have asked me if i believed in ghosts or not but i think that it's impossible when you when you're dead and gone that you don't leave like traces of your energy behind of course you do so have you have you


behind of course you do so have you have you ever had any alcoholic experiences no no host hauntings no would you like to hear one of mine no i'm getting scared now it's not a charming conversation right jk no you can tell me i was kidding i think you really want to know yeah you really want to know i don't know stop asking me so many times um i've had very intense sleep paralysis i've actually made a whole episode about it so i'm not gonna elaborate on it but basically when i was a kid in my old house in my parents house i always felt like at night there was someone looking at me and i didn't sleep alone till i was 21 years old because i because of that feeling that something's always looking at me that's intense yeah the thing is when i was 11 i had this very intense sleep paralysis experience when i'm sleeping next to my mum okay and i felt like there was this lady who was sitting on top of me and


lady who was sitting on top of me and staring me down with like one eye and half her head was covered and and it was like pale skin i couldn't say a word i didn't know what to do and i remember telling my mom about this a few years prior to this incident happening and she didn't believe me prior to the incident i told her that i felt that there's something in the house and my mom like kind of shut me up she said that yeah if it happens say this mantra so in that moment i remembered that oh my mom had taught me this month and i started saying it and i felt like the experience faded away now this is not the creepy part stop okay the creepy thing is that a couple of years later when i was about 12 13 i was watching this show about alien abduction on naggio and you know how they recreate scenes how they do enactments they recreated exactly what i saw like the same lady which i saw


i saw like the same lady which i saw two years prior with like half the face covered and like one eye staring down and i was looking at it i was alone in like this in my living room i ran out of the living room and when my mom was 13 and i cried and i said that i saw that in our house what the is happening and my mom kind of believed me in that moment because you know your mom senses what you're truly she got like she got afraid as well and this is also not the most creepy part a long time after that by then beer biceps has started yeah okay so like recently then not recently about like four years ago okay i'd really gotten into meditation and there it would be a vices was a two-person team then so my first uh teammate on it we would always begin our day with meditation in our little it was a garage attached to my building okay uh startup like starting out vibe and yeah so we'd begin


like starting out vibe and yeah so we'd begin with a lot of positivity this one time we had a night shoot just me and him and we decided to meditate at like 12 a.m or 1am okay and while we were meditating we both felt like there was some things strong and intense in the room with us now the thing is i've been told by the people who've taught me deeper meditations that when you meditate these negative energies get pushed out of spaces so we kind of stopped the meditation he looked at me he said do you feel that i said yeah but let's go on so we kept meditating and things when you meditate with someone you're very in sync with them especially if you know them well and you meditate with them regularly so we both kind of felt like we meditated intensely enough to push it out okay this was creepy enough for me to call another friend of mine who i believe strongly is psychic okay and he came then the moment he entered the


okay and he came then the moment he entered the space he went up to the room which is exactly under my mom's room where that incident had happened when i was 11 years old and he's like this entire part of the building used to be intensely haunted right and i didn't say anything so god i'm literally getting i was close so uh i said yeah i've had some experiences when i was a kid so he said that it's something from before the building was even built here and uh probably the meditation has pushed it off but traces of it are still there so he gave me some things to do some particular kind of chants and i mean like a very soft have you seen the exhaust where they yeah some version of that uh and i've not really had an incident happen to myself or my teammates also not experienced it but some of the other teammates have like as in when i talk to some of my junior teammates who've just joined some of them are not


teammates who've just joined some of them are not from bombay so they end up staying in that particular office and they've seen a woman running around at night yeah i'm not making this up what does she want probably has some pain about something unfulfilled i don't know so i feel like empaths by the way are also healers we have healing energies and when you're going through that level of angst sometimes you attract things that need to be healed even in the other realm i only attract things i need to be healed i'm sick of it are you talking about are you talking about your love life jk i don't want to attract if you want healing get out don't are you single right now yes are you happy being single i am happy i mean i'm lonely at times how how is someone like you lonely like my point what i mean by that is how have people not approached you with the intention of asking you i don't know you don't know i don't know i


don't know you don't know i don't know i also think that a lot of the people in our generation and correct me if i'm wrong if you think this is like a circle thing again i think that intimacy um has become so accessible that uh that a people it's it's very convenient to get it whenever they wanted and then and that also makes people too scared to commit to it you know what i mean like they're too intimidated by intimacy and they also have access to it at their convenience which which keeps them away from ever forming a real equation with anyone did that make sense yeah you said something very deep and and i hope that if guys are hearing this out here simping over january go approach her with some long-term intentions what would you like to say to your future boyfriend if he's um just like be nice to me and make me laugh because because i mean i think i'll be good to you i'll be there for you i'll make you laugh


i'll be there for you i'll make you laugh you'll have a lot of fun with me and um yeah i can be cute a little psycho but also cute a little psycho yeah i want to know this what do you mean what like can't you tell not really would be very problems yeah but see you said i give off a very like it's twisted energy but you're boss you're twisted there's like nine personalities in it yeah what's your what's the word for it your sun sign your star sign i'm a piscean you're a piscean do i seem like a pisces i don't know anything about pisceans dude what are you i'm a gemini you seem exactly like a gemini what does that even mean so i know two geminis very closely akshat my best friend is a gemini and i act have you met him ever akshat what rajan no i i think i know his sister yes but you guys should meet because i think you guys would get along amazingly


because i think you guys would get along amazingly okay him um and karan's a gemini and and so is my makeup artist javiera and a very close friend of mine so i know them and they're very they're all purists i think what does that mean i think they're always constantly in search for the truth and i think that anything that has any amount of pretense puts them off it doesn't put you off it puts me off like it should put everyone off but i think that everyone has the capacity to indulge in a certain amount of i do too um but i think gemini's have the least amount of capacity to deal with as a 29 year old i'm very aware of the fact that i don't want any new friends in life i mean and the podcast suffices for my social needs yeah meeting new people etc yeah but uh i just want to be near my team uh the people i trust and the people i knew before yeah uh because as an artist you gotta protect your energy you


because as an artist you gotta protect your energy you do have to protect your energy and also i think they gemini strive for clarity a lot and a lot of things i think and also they have two sides to themselves i really wonder what your other side is i think you've seen both have i you've not i don't know like like the monk side with the eyebrows shaved and then i honestly i've seen two sides i'll tell you when we were having like this amazing zen conversation on the terrace and the entire energy was like very you know very like we were speaking to each other like this and i was like wow i might like you know leave this building a changed person and all those things but then there's a side of you that understands things like brands and understands things like um the energy you need to put out to engage other people because the minute you clapped your hands and said action hmm it's like it's like a public service version of yours almost this room


like a public service version of yours almost this room is an operation theater of like the mind and heart so that's a good way to put it some anesthesia outside ah that makes sense i felt a little loopy why we speak about different sides to it uh i have understood your life ananya's life just people at least people who've been on the show and who have been in touch with you guys live a very difficult existence you know constantly being scrutinized and all that um the one reason i see a lot of people on the fringes of the industry not wanting to act is because they don't want to enter that zone of competition and i can't imagine what it's like for you guys how does it feel like when you do well suddenly there's like all these people behind this thing how did she get that movie how did she get that opportunity and i hope she fails how does it feel i'm not just talking about people who've not been successful i'm talking about people who've


not been successful i'm talking about people who've already seen success and then are hoping for you not to do well and there's always going to be an element of that i don't mean to make you uncomfortable smile smile a little bit have fun i i don't want to believe that there are people who wish bad wish bad i read a quote the other day the world is in your eyes so look at it the way that you would want to see it okay what have you gained from your dad my dad as a dad i think my dad's a hustler i think the things that my dad has gone through and been through and seen through i don't know if anyone else has but he's so strong nothing gets him down not other than like too much salt in his food nothing can bring that man down what's what's special about those brothers your uncle your dad your family in general what's what's gone right in their upbringing that they found this level of success that your generation's carrying forward i


level of success that your generation's carrying forward i think they're huge believers in hard work huge and also i think that they approach everything and i'm saying purity again but i mean it with the purity of intent i think they're not so outcome driven as much as they are processed process driven which i think is a great way of looking at life and also they put a lot of or at least my dad because i know him the most out of the brothers um he values honesty a lot honesty and work honesty and dealing with people an honesty of intent and um also they so they grew up in chamber um with with the other kapoor family and they were the more affluent kapoor family um and so i remember dad telling me stories about how they were made fun of because they had like shoes with holes in them they were you know always the less affluent kapoor so to speak and i think um and i think that that made him feel the need to hustle


that that made him feel the need to hustle more or like value he is first generation wealth well it's not like uh he's come from poverty but i think you know what i mean yeah yeah first generation uh mainstream success i guess so yeah even anil kapoor had begun i think in the south if i'm not mistaken yeah his first few films were yeah in the south and he worked his way up yeah and i think so the one thing that they have going for each other is that honesty like they're real with each other and they'll pull each other's legs and they'll have their misunderstandings but they show up for each other all three of them punjabi brotherhood i planned would i love it do you feel punjabi i feel south indian more than punjabi for sure what have you gained from your mum the mitochondria the mitochondria the energy i think the um i don't know this question always makes me wonder because i think if she was around i would have been able to answer


she was around i would have been able to answer it a lot more freely but now that she's not i keep thinking people might think it's arrogant of myself to draw parallels between me and my mom i don't think it's aaron it's a mom it's my mom right but like people will never perceive it like that because to them she's sridevi kapoor but to me she's my mom and the way that i walk across the corridor in the morning apparently i walk like her apparently when i eat food and the sounds i make are exactly like her apparently my voice is very similar to hers apparently i cry like her i'm needy like her i think i'm a little switch on and switch off in front of the camera like her yeah art uh i think i'm sensitive like her can i say another cliched thing to you yeah your eyes have the same enduring energy that her eyes are that's right and i say that from the limited films i've seen of your mum but


the limited films i've seen of your mum but i've seen mr india and i know i love that oh you've seen mr india yeah i mean i'm an indian dude but i don't know you can say get out inherited trees so i was like okay but you know all i remember about her and mr india is this scene with um where she takes over a room of kids and i i barely even remember the story of it i remember anecdotes from the film yeah i remember her clearly and the energy she sat in the room with kids yeah and uh as a kid watching that as a four-year-old watching it you're gripped by this endearing woman's energy yeah and you have something similar for sure but that i'm saying after meeting you yeah hmm but um would you would you agree when i say that there's like some endearing energy like you're it's probably that empath stuff do you want me to call myself enduring yeah i think i'm the most enduring person i think i think


i'm the most enduring person i think i think you're uh very endearing for for people who understand what that means they'll see it for people who possibly don't understand what that means they'll call you mysterious and charming or some brooding or something like that but there's a lot of uh observation in your eyes there's a lot of retention in your eyes and there's like a lot of um it's a lot of art that's what i'd say i like that i'm happy with that um you know what if you're comfortable speaking about your mom what would you like the world to know about her that they didn't know until now i don't think anyone knows my mom at all i think what i would and there's so much love out there for her that i wouldn't even say anything that would inspire those emotions in people because i think that's already there but what i would want her to want people to know is that it uh i think what she stood for in life was dignity and and


she stood for in life was dignity and and innocence because she was such in my head a beacon of someone who after spending so many years in the industry was still a child was still so naive at the ways of the world and innocent and and sheltered and i think that's what made her art so uncorrupted and made her so uncorrupted as a person and i think that through that what i would like to say is maybe it might inspire all of you all to look for the best in people as opposed to being skeptical or pessimistic because um well then if everyone expects the best in everyone else then maybe that's what the world will become [Music] i i appreciate you opening up like this on the show we have reached near the end but i do want to say that what i sense uh especially after meeting you you know it's it's never about the work you do in the world the money you want the numbers you gain it's about who you are as a person


you gain it's about who you are as a person and i'm sure both your parents are very proud of like the person that you are i hope so yeah there's a lot of genuinity in ua jk we're all rooting for you in this room thank you talk about your latest film good luck jerry it's streaming on disney plus hot star um it's about a girl who seems very innocent and naive but she gomows everyone has a dark side has a dark side seems like someone i know right that's i was like i need to do this when i met recently can't stop thinking and um through the course of the film she realizes that she doesn't need to be apologetic or hide behind this facade of innocence even though it is who she is she is also so much more than that and everyone in life is more than what you anticipate them to be and apart from that it's a lot of fun and there are a lot of like jokes and it's a mad right


lot of like jokes and it's a mad right so please do watch it and um watch it with an open mind what's the downside of being this gorgeous but what's the downside of it i don't know tell me about your life like what's the what what sucks about your life what sucks about my life nothing sucks about my life i think spending time away from my family sucks um when i get yeah being lonely you think you think because you're gorgeous you're also lonely no i don't think it has anything to do with how what i look like i i think i wasn't talking about the way you look talking about you oh like everything oh i don't know i think being lonely is um more a consequence of my past experiences than than who i am right now you're just guarding are you guarding your energy i think so you want to keep that artist growing yeah i've i've wasted too much of my energy on people that didn't deserve it i think i i


people that didn't deserve it i think i i hope and pray that the universe kind of manifests this man out of starlight just let them manifest movies for me for now the man can wait i don't want a man i want like more films more experiences more growth and more love from the audience john lee kapoor i want to see you doing dark twisted i wanna i wanna see bollywood generally doing a lot of dark twisted and having john v in it watch good luck jerry i feel like you like it i will i get a little twisted cool yeah i will watch it like right after this shoot okay i hope you had fun i did did it feel like any form of therapy it did feel like therapy it felt like it felt like finally i could be myself and maybe people will see who i am i hope you had fun i did so much thank you okay now get out of my house okay get out no i don't mean that you're welcome to sit and have dal bhati with


you're welcome to sit and have dal bhati with us oh yeah why did you point at the tv when you said yeah like what is he seeing now tonight is going to be our good luck jerry we have our dal parties and it's about letting go of the gorgeousness of january kapoor thank you for being thank you in our studio thank you for coming home thank you so much bye guys see you that was the episode for today one of the most real bollywood conversations i've had and that's what i told janvi after the shoot as well not everyone's ready to open up on public forums like this not everyone's even ready to come home and shoot with us but this is where the magic happens because we get to do this show this art form in our own environment where there's jokes where there's genuinity and where there's also deep conversation trs is just getting started remember follow trs on spotify every episode's available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world and john


it's available anywhere else in the world and john v kapoor what do i even say to you is it okay am i allowed like crush on you i don't know at least i hope that you're gonna return on the runway show probably the next time on trs hindi by the way listeners i hope you are checking out trs hindi as well we've got a parallel hindi podcast that's just as good that's just as emotional if not even more emotional follow trs in english in hindi because we are just getting started [Music] you


and for me paguan was a man i fell in love with him and he was men just like you and me why should he not feel like a man allow him the ability to have human emotions i was the only one who offered him that and yet oh my god he is my god he sits in my heart he occupies 100 of my heart how do you look back at america as a country they want to control women through their going back on roe versus laws they are taking people's right away it happens in africa don't let your constitution become less than a toilet paper everyone's heard of wild wild country many of us know about rajneesh or osho what i promise you is that you wouldn't have heard ma and sheila talk about her favorite subject in the world in this manner the teachings of rajneesh if you're in the search for growth if you're in the search for self-awareness if you want to know more about osho if you want to know more even about wild wild country


you want to know more even about wild wild country this is the episode for you man and sheila opened up like never before in a super fun manner went very deep into some topics i think if you're involved in the process of what the world calls spirituality or self-awareness you're going to enjoy this particular episode remember before i let you all slip in follow us on spotify but spotify exclusive which means that every episode's available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world this is ma'am sheila on the ranvir show [Music] i don't even know where to begin this conversation man and she'll i will say welcome to the ranvi show this has been a long-standing wish of mine honor hosting on the show honor hosting you in my house so strange it is wonderful i love being together with young people and you are so young so it is my pleasure to be here why why what what's in young people that you enjoy like you know like what's it about young people


like you know like what's it about young people that you enjoy i see a lot of potential in young people especially young indian youth you have come a long way and you have to walk still longer to find yourself and i'm sure you all will find yourself thank you ma'am um you know again this is one of those situations where i don't know where to begin the conversation just so much to unpack let me just begin by saying or by asking you rather how's life now what's up what's up with you life is wonderful i'm preparing myself for my last day okay we are normally afraid of the last day but i have lived so much that last day or the last moment can come now and i'm ready and this readiness is what i'm enjoying it if you're talking to like a very large audience here let me also tell you that i put up a story on my instagram about you being on the show this evening and so many women on my friend list my following


and so many women on my friend list my following list reached out and said wow i can't believe this i'm waiting for this so much you've become this huge icon for indian youth but specifically young indian women did you think that when wild wild country was being filmed that this would be the impact and from an indian youth perspective we really got to know about you and your perspectives through that one document i did not think only reason i gave my interview to wildworld country because my father had told me in 1996 shelley you must speak your experience of life is so vast that it will inspire the youth of future but my sister who was who lives with me she was very mad with me for saying yes to everybody to do interview she said now they're going to do again a hatchet job on you and they don't understand etc and i said what can i say let them do their work i do mine so i had no expectations and i am pleasantly


so i had no expectations and i am pleasantly surprised that they have brought me the youth of india closer but i have also lot of other country youth like brazil is very much excited about me or spain different parts of the world write to me on instagram and it feels wonderful to communicate with them um yeah you are a worldwide celebrity now like i think i was listening to a joe rogan experience episode where there's this bunch of really tough men saying that yeah that woman was badass and you know that's the kind of image that the west has of you so you've done india proud on behalf of indian youth i built here and i'm no one to validate you for your life what i do want to ask you i'm gonna be super honest super straight forward here is that i didn't like wild white country and i felt like uh i stopped watching in like five episodes because i felt like the narrative was slightly biased the uh kind of you


narrative was slightly biased the uh kind of you know highlight for me was getting to know your perspective which is why i've been so keen on having you on the show for so long because i also feel uh they didn't show all the parts of the interview that they did with you and they were selective in the edit and if you have edited enough videos which we do for a living on youtube you can tell what filmmakers are trying to actually say if you try reading in between the lines and they're given this very dark image of both bhagavan rajneesh uh whatever had happened and india in general so um i'm not in favor of that documentary i am in favor of the fact that it did put india on the map in some ways it backfired on them let's put it that way because the raw material they had used that material talks for itself of our work and our devotion to bhagwan i tell you they have bigger problems now in their own country you by day


bigger problems now in their own country you by day you mean americans yeah okay they have bigger problems america almost is losing its number one country status not because of me not because of the work and project we were engaged in because of their own government their own senate and senators and president ex-president in your eyes why were you targeted and why was uh why why do they look at uh osho the way they look at osho like from your eyes you know and i'm trying to kind of dig into a slightly deeper layer of your mind here i'm sure you've reflected upon it and uh even even when it comes to the subject of bhagavan people are polarized about it there's people who are absolutely in love with everything he stood for and then and then there's people on the other end of the spectrum these people were fueled by that documentary and they've kind of turned this curiosity into hate kind of within their hearts towards all god men and yes there's so many con


all god men and yes there's so many con men out there posing as godman etc etc etc but there's also a lot of genuinely good people out there who are what i would like to call spiritually evolved trying to do good work on this planet but it's kind of wild has done a very biased job in my opinion i haven't seen it so i cannot say i was filmed five days non-stop now nine till evening with uh two pepe pause and one lunch powder whatever questions they ask me i have given them answer to each and every question and they wanted to give me a question ahead of time i said no need i know what i have lived i know who bhagwan is and i don't need questions ahead of time we sit in front of each other and you ask whatever you want to ask wherever your heart takes you ask me and we did a very concentrated work after that what they do is their problem not mine coming to bhagwan being hated or loved it is normal


bhagwan being hated or loved it is normal where do you find this intelligence that bhagwan had that creativity that he has shown the answers to human problems on a daily basis simple solution who has given no one up till now bhagwan is the only one who has given such answers created a revolution in a young person like me who had nothing to do with meditation or spirituality and i still don't have it and i won't have it you don't want to take part in the heartache called spirituality no faith no way you cannot drag me no we want to drag you man no pain the reality is what makes me and i'm not afraid of reality whatever comes my way i will take it graciously and walk through it i hear you how do you look back at america as a country now i look back at america as a third world okay they may have few good buildings and roads but their mental state is worse than third world country why do you say that look at how conservative they


why do you say that look at how conservative they have become they have shredded freedom of the individual the first amendment speech they want to control they want to control women through their going back on roe versus laws they are taking people's right away it happens in africa not in america it should not happen what do you think is the why why because of some morons like their supreme court [ __ ] trump autocrats corrupt senators from republican party they think they're going to find answers they're not going to find answers with this bunch of people we have american listeners of the show which is why i wanted to address that topic do you want to close it with like one line or two lines definitely don't sell your freedom don't let your constitution become less than a toilet paper and you think it's headed in that direction it's heading there okay let's switch our direction completely uh we gotta talk about osho and uh this is this is the subject i wanted to speak about for


this is the subject i wanted to speak about for so long you know when i was watching wild country there was this kind of worldwide phenomenon where uh when we saw the first two three episodes the whole world was fascinated by osho and then as the narrative of that show kept going forward i began to dislike him myself and that got me to read a little bit about osho and i perceived the heavy stuff written in books like meditations by osho as being dark and then i put the book down and i went and read a little bit more about osho and i figured that oh okay this is this is quite deep and i probably need to grow up a little bit to perceive everything that was written maybe my first question to you is everyone knows about your first meeting with him and what you felt uh was it in the first meeting that he touched you on the forehead no no my first meeting is where i put my head on his lap okay um i want to ask you


on his lap okay um i want to ask you about what happened post that first meeting just in your mind did you internally feel like what was your human journey did you internally feel like you're going to go on this journey with him this life long journey with him there was no such decisions okay there was no such reflections i simply felt i want to be in the fragrance of this man i wanted just to look at him look at him and disappear and that's what happened do you still think about him today is he not part of me is he very much so okay very much so if he was not part of me i would not be able to speak about him okay the public uh perception is that you know towards the end of his earthly life uh y'all had distance between each other i left him and then i never looked back it was his teaching burn your bridges behind okay there are no second thoughts no doubts and no other terms that i use how i


and no other terms that i use how i feel about bhagwan and for me pakwan was a man i fell in love with him and he was men just like you and me i used to sometimes tell people who worked near me close to me i used to say why you are doing it why are you feeling upset that bhagwan you heard this gossip or that gossip he's a man why should he not feel like a man allow him the ability to have human emotions allow him the ability to have to take or bit of anger what is wrong with it we go through that all our life and that generosity to allow bhagwan to be just a human i guess i was the only one who offered him that and yet oh my god he is my god he sits in my heart he occupies 100 of my heart there are no doubts um you know there's so many young indians actually there was a phase where lots of people were turning to atheism and not believing in a higher power whatever


atheism and not believing in a higher power whatever you want to call it god bhagwan etc and now there's this whole phase where young india has turned back to its roots uh you know and that's that's what i was telling you on this show monks are uh really kind of so on this show the audience really enjoys having monks we enjoy kind of speaking to the so-called god men etc uh since you spent so much time with osho if you had to introduce say a youth of the world not just india to three of his key teachings i know and there's countless teachings but if there was like three most important ones for you what would you like to share with the world you know if you had to introduce people to osho be yourself okay don't imitate find your own true basic values okay you say three no no 100 okay and then there's there's a a thousand more that's what i sense million more million more the reason million more because every moment is different


more the reason million more because every moment is different than the other and you have to move through those moments okay let's let's dive in a little deeper if someone had to begin reading about him which book would you recommend that they can start with i recommend anybody who wants to know bhagwan [Music] books up to 1985. so when he began in 1968 to 1985 because these books are not altered his word it is important that during these times all his editing of the books were done just for punctuation they were not the words were not changed even if grammatically something was said differently they were not changed that that was paguan's instructions to us all after i left they have started cutting up bhagwan's word to promote and make more money or whatever the reason how do you look at the rajneesh organization now i don't look at it because i have nothing to do with it but you think they've altered the original teachings it is obvious okay have you visited the pune ashram


is obvious okay have you visited the pune ashram at all no i drove through once in 2019 and what did you feel nothing what do you feel from a black wall you feel nothing you just ignore it and move forward that's not bhagwan for you like it's not a true representation that is not the punishment that we created and we lived in it so proudly it's not the place okay um you know i'm sure there's a lot of people who only watched wild country and they probably don't have a 360 degree perspective on osho and everything that he stood for uh the next questions for them i saw an interaction you had i think with karan johar one of the questions was centered around sex and sexual activity are you tired of being asked these questions ask me what was this whole sexual angle you know where and i'll tell you why i'm asking you this even when we were growing up in mumbai or delhi or wherever urban india if we ever brought up osho you'd


india if we ever brought up osho you'd have some relative commentary many people used to just have sex in those ashrams what is the truth about this whole sexual activity situation that happened back then and i don't trust my country in this case because i feel edits can uh create wrong narratives let me tell you sex happens every day in every family not only that much abuse also happens in many families across the world why people only talk about bhagwans ashram or bhagwan's community to enjoy sex now i tell you teaching of bhagwan about sex sex and sexuality is the basic energy every individual has if you want to tap into your creativity you have to understand your sex and sexuality we are so obsessed and preoccupied with sexuality its perversion and how to get to the goal of sexuality that we don't even think about it and we violate other person's right of individuality this preoccupation towards sex kills the creativity in you you have to understand your own


creativity in you you have to understand your own sexuality you have to understand your basic value put together with sexuality until then you will not be free in your mind and to what we are taught is to oppress it instead of live through it and bhagwan simply says respect the other through choice engage in sexuality both partner should be consensus and then engage yourself in sexuality what do people do they want to have sex suddenly suddenly they fall in love with them where does the love come from because then they have a license to have sex um or the parents take the youth and say we get you married and you are tied down like a cow on a stake and everything will be okay no nothing will be okay because now your perversion will be even more your obsession your fantasies will be more and then you engage yourself in acts they are shameful for mankind you said something about exploring sexuality you need to explore your own sexuality understanding it what does that mean [Music]


sexuality understanding it what does that mean [Music] understand it is understand the limits of your sexuality for example you are attracted to a woman attraction immediately is shown on your genitals then how do you respond to that it is how your response to it is how is your approach to the to yourself and the person you are attracted to is it because it's a primal activity and the way your mind reacts to it says something about your mind it is your mind and your body both because your mind takes over your genitals and desire this is why in 90s many psychiatrists told people who were impetus or who were sexually not motivated to watch the pornography and then they will be aroused but that's not what you need that is playing on your problems you become impetus because you are unsure of your own sexuality people need to talk about their sexuality openly to have a better understanding of their minds and bodies is reactions and everyone's minds and bodies reactions will be different


everyone's minds and bodies reactions will be different so i'm assuming you get to know a little bit about your own individual reaction where you stand absolutely what i'm talking about and was one of the first man on the earth who spoke about sexuality and then presented it in the terms that people like to hear with super consciousness his book from sex to super consciousness is a wonderful book what what happens after you figured it like then what's the next step next step is respect self-respect and respect of the others after that is no judgment about male female transgender homosexuality these are all human aspects and they all should be viewed at a same eye level but isn't sex just like one other human thing like is it is it really that much at the center of your mind modern men suffers in it okay and not only that modern men suffer so badly that they come down to ugliness of rape even married men behave badly in the bed with their own wives and where does your


the bed with their own wives and where does your violence come out um so violence is a form of morphed wrongly understood sexual energy exactly okay and violence doesn't just have to be physical it could be emotional violence verbal violence etc violence is violence when you stop respecting the rights of the others my understanding of osho is that he was against the idea of giving birth to children is that correct no okay that's what's reported online again don't listen to it that's why i don't listen to online things much other than the runway show from now on only but go on that is not correct what parkwan says if you are going to have a career then if you are burdened by the work you have as a woman as a household woman and you want to have a career then what is the point of having children because you can't pay attention to children that they require and you will be always burdened by at work worrying about your children i find it logical wow i feel like