introduce someone who who is enlightened you know no I think everyone knows I'm saying introduce your sense of respect um again I think my sense of respect comes from my inability to understand the the nature of Enlightenment um someone who has seen his country getting decimated at a very early age I think he was in teens 15 16 if I'm not wrong he had to escape Tibet and to see his countrymen being butchered for no reason and then having to flee his country and to come to another country though India has always been tibet's Big Brother as the Dalai Lama puts it because without India there would be I think no Tibet as we know it so and to come to a different country different climate um and then but not only to survive but to thrive and to um propagate the Buddha's teachings to each and every corner of the world I think to such a noble person down you know even when you hear his name the least you can do is to fold


his name the least you can do is to fold your palms in respect that's it um okay uh please correct me if I'm wrong and this is just based on the little bit that I know about Tibetan Buddhism I believe that the Dalai Lama is the political and spiritual leader yes and under him there are multiple ranks and rinpoche is one of those ranks and your air in poaching yes but what is Aaron poetry um so uh just to uh clarify I am actually ladaki so I'm Indian uh even though I practice uh Buddhism which was um you know kind of um which became popular in Tibet but the kind of Buddhism that we practice we call it vajrayan Buddhism the diamond vehicle um it is practiced we use mantras tantras yantras um besides the core philosophies of the Buddha it is practiced along the Himalayas so I'm actually from ladakh but then as the de facto spiritual head as you mentioned of Buddhism which we


head as you mentioned of Buddhism which we consider to be his Holiness um yeah so uh um in in the Buddhism that we practice there are like you said many different lineages once lineages and or of the many lineages I think they're like major four or five lineages uh one is our own we call it the dragon lineage um and within the dragon lineage I am one of the uh spiritual gurus reincarnated gurus okay you know I want to actually head into the point of talking about your story and I feel like context was very important to begin this long podcast that we have ahead of us if it's okay with you I would love for you to do a Buddhist chant before we begin the rest of the episode because I remember the Buddhist you are done at the level office it changed the full team so if it's okay with you sure um I would like to chant a mantra that is the Mantra of compassion uh Mantra of bhagwaneshwar it is uh you can


Mantra of bhagwaneshwar it is uh you can call it the universal Mantra of Buddhism it um it liberates us from samsara uh all the bad conditions of samsara it empowers us with generosity discipline patience um diligence meditation and wisdom the six qualities so it's a very powerful Mantra and I will be very happy to send the reverberation of this Mantra in this office in the form of a chant and also to all our listeners in their houses yes very true yeah to everyone who's listening who's watching and um uh so basically this Mantra has six syllables and um the meaning of the Mantra is actually not as important as the actual uh vibration of the Mantra itself we chanted it's more important than to understand the meaning of the Mantra the basic meaning of the Mantra means um I bow down to the jewel wrapped in the Lotus I bow down I pay homage to the jewel in the Lotus and the Mantra goes like [Music] um


Lotus and the Mantra goes like [Music] um and this is trust me the ultimate mantra the Mantra of all mantras so I'll do a short chanting um [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] home [Music] [Music] [Music] thank you so what I would like you to do now just to feel what you've heard what you've felt you know you notice as soon as you opened your eyes you were smiling beaming with your you know with your beautiful smile which you already have anyway but I think become a bit wider so that's what happens when you chant uh not only from your throat but also from your heart from your soul it really changes I think you at a very molecular level at a very basic level it transforms you actually so the kind of Buddhism that we practice we believe a lot in transformation we don't believe too much in struggling bit by bit and to achieve things the hard way we try to achieve things the smart way and we aim to transform


achieve things the smart way and we aim to transform ourselves into Buddhas into pure beings so that's the the primary method of the Buddhist Himalayan Buddhism so strange that you're using the word transformation on my own personal spiritual journey that's a word I've been craving lately a lot um getting rid of my own shortcomings through the process of transformation and it's also very strange that through the process of this show which is my bread and butter I think God is transforming me through meeting people like yourself uh every time I meet you I get left with like strength like you know I've just met you once before but I'm already feeling that absurgeon strength right now uh I really feel like you're some Dragon Ball Z character you know and you're just like teaching me like some moves or something on a very spiritual level uh now after I've said this we can begin your actual story so uh at the start of the episode you said that you have memories of your past life of


said that you have memories of your past life of passing away because of the Chinese invasion in Tibet um what do you specifically remember other than like the pain I remember extreme anger at anything Chinese or you know communist uh party propaganda anything like that I remember feeling very angry I remember telling my mother that this is not my home I belong someplace else and that um I want to go back my Village is not here my Village is very far away you're not my parents you're not my parents so I think I put my parents through a great deal of childhood trauma uh but besides that the image that I have in my mind is falling down getting poked I think with a bionet I think yeah so some very graphic images um and in this life you were sure that you were supposed to become a rinpochi no it's uh it's a strange thing actually because my guruji uh the 12 gallon Rupa who is the head of our lineage he saw in


is the head of our lineage he saw in his vision without any uh doubt that I was born in ladakh usually what happens when a dream bush is born in a place uh let's say you here in Bombay and then guruji will uh guruji will send a search party saying I've seen a vision so go to Bombay go to Mumbai and then go to uh some places colaba go to juhu area you know go to bandra go to Andheri and then look for these look for this child he may be roughly this age his house may have this these many members the main direction of the door is this side is this many stories uh this many windows so he'll give like a list and he will also give like some of the previous incarnations personal items like my mother's this Mala if you put among 50 malas I will know which is my mother because I know exactly where some of the threads are getting worn out I know exactly when I threaded this Mala some of


know exactly when I threaded this Mala some of them were misplaced and I replaced with the new ones so I know each and every bit of this Mala so he would give some of my previous incarnations you know items so that they will try to check they will mix with the new items and um with in my case my guruji didn't have any doubt so he said he knew it was me so he just sent a search party go and bring bring him direct style I was one that time so my mother requested that I be allowed to stay with her so I stayed with my mother until I was eight so I think I've been to second grade maybe second and a half grade yeah and then I was taken to Monastery were you thinking about the Buddha or were you thinking about spiritual things as a kid um honestly sometimes I think yeah it I think I would I would lie if I say that I was always thinking of the Buddha that would be a lie I was a normal kid


that would be a lie I was a normal kid I remember reading a lot of Chacha Chaudhary Comics those things I remember frankly I remember eating chocolates that my father used to give me but honestly if I remember recalling a Buddha not that much to be honest with you I was just a very normal child okay um I have to ask you about the phase where you began living in the monastery uh if we could cover that but also I want to know why you got slightly disillusioned with Monastery life so take the story forward in whatever way you think is best okay so basically um uh when we talk about Ring purchase uh or the correct term is actually tulco t-u-l-k-u the correct technical term to describe us rinpochi basically means the precious one something like that so when uh when a toolku is born and he is given the title in poche tulco and all that um it usually doesn't have a choice he's brought to the monastery because it's his responsibility


brought to the monastery because it's his responsibility to continue the lineage of the previous Incarnation and to teach the you know propagate the teachings of the Buddha um so when I was brought to the monastery uh I actually studied in Himachal in a small village called revolser uh where I think the movie kareeb was shot uh Bobby Dole and Neha I think I remember that song he was shot there so I grew up in that Village and uh that time my teacher was very rough he was from Eastern Tibet a very rough man very strong very kind very but still very rough and you may have seen in Shaolin movies where the kid gets a little bit beaten you know corporal punishment I think I've seen it maybe you can multiply it ten times I couldn't even Escape The Shaolin Kids Escape you know I was locked in a room and I would have to I would wake up at five in the morning and meditate the whole day giant whole day until six


meditate the whole day giant whole day until six seven in the evening from five to six in the evening yeah maybe one two hours of break during the daytime after lunch a small Siesta and that's it and during the Siesta would try to read some Chacha Chaudhary comics and all that so I learned English like that that's the life of young Tibetan Monks uh that's the life of a typical young rinpoche young turku yeah monks usually enjoy more freedom sorry okay no go on yeah yeah months in July he actually enjoy more luxury more freedom so I used to look outside my third story window you can go next time we'll go together I'll take you to repulsar I'll show you where I grew up and I used to look down and I used to see monks playing Gilead under and I would be chanting yeah and I would with my one eye I'll be chanting one eye reading scriptures one eye I'll be looking at the monks and as if I


be looking at the monks and as if I see some of the monks are cheating I would shout out from them cheating you're cheating so like doing commentary and all that uh so yeah usually they have much stricter life because we need to learn discipline at a very early age why ah because we sit on a big Throne which is five six foot my feet and we teach to from 100 to you know few thousand people so just in the dark past two months I've been teaching in all the villages I haven't had a single days break in two months and I think I talked to more than a few thousand people so we have to be disciplined we cannot just scratch our head whenever we want we cannot just twist and turn and go for a loo whenever we want we have to be disciplined you have to earn your stripes basically even in this life even though you're carrying certain spiritual yeah a lineage from your previous life yes okay like you have to relearn


your previous life yes okay like you have to relearn it basically yes and I'm assuming that the meditation kind of encapsulates higher energies in your system to make you ready for your adult life that's a very uh true term that you use encapsulate yeah it's exactly that meditation and all these chantings all these studying you know all this contemplation and the transformation that happens it encapsulates everything I know there's no way to say this story fast but when you left the monastery also you didn't have money yeah you worked your way up from there yeah so the first time when I left my Monastery I think I was around 18 and I'd gone to England uh I didn't just go like that I had a friend uh who was a computer programmer a very good friend and I was very interested in technology in 1998 I remember someone told me there's something called email and something called computer at the little blew my mind and I did a computer course for six months I finished in one month because


course for six months I finished in one month because I was so hungry for knowledge of computers it just fascinated me so I was a little bit tacky and I was trying to learn some coding you know Java C plus plus and all that and then this programmer I met and he saw that I was very curious so he thought that it'll do me good to see the West so he invited me to England on a six months Visa I overstayed and I stayed for two years which I'm not proud of to break the law of a country like that but I did gain a lot of experience and money uh when initial time when I went to England no I was quite poor I struggled a lot but then when I came back then I think I earned my points then I got a lot of teachings from my gurus I spent three years and three months in meditation um I think yeah I think I accumulated a lot of good karma and after that when I returned then I started meeting


and after that when I returned then I started meeting very it's like attracting a lot of you know positive people some of them are extremely rich and I'm talking European rich and they really helped me with a lot of money they borrowed me a lot of money they taught me how to invest in stock which I did they helped me invest on on them on my behalf and the money grew obviously then I became very rich very fast and again I fell into another trap for a few good years five six years I think you enjoyed material well yeah I mean to the extreme you know I remember two big diamond studs I remember a mohawk I'll try to share some photos with you though I think maybe now is a good time to you know bring them out of the hard drive and share it to the world I think yeah I trust you with that um I've always kept it secret not like I'm ashamed or anything but just still it was a silly phase in my life so Gucci


was a silly phase in my life so Gucci Armani from top to bottom I look like uh you know this showrooms threw up on me I had a Maserati I had a Mini Cooper in uh John John Cooper Works gcw Cabrio 211 horsepower red beautiful my favorite actually it was a mango bought a Ferrari I am a monk who sold his Maserati that's what some people call me actually so yeah a few good things yeah why did you leave it then because um I don't know ranveer I mean like as when I was okay when I was poor obviously you suffer you know you hardly can put bread on the table and and um you know I'm morsel into your mouth and you hardly have a roof over your head like I spent a few you know a few days maybe a week on the sidewalk in England when I was very poor I had depression and you know I got kicked out from my job and so many like stories um so like being too poor


so many like stories um so like being too poor was an extreme being too rich was another extreme then I started to attract like people that I could not really relate to people who were always too materialistic though I don't judge people who have money obviously it's their own Good Karma but then I think when you grow too fast you know to Grow Rich too fast you don't know how to handle your wealth then I think you kind of get lost and you become too materialistic and you lose your good friends and like we said in the beginning life is more about love and relationships and God so I think I started losing those good things so I was starting to feel empty every day just wake up go to the gym in my Maserati you know and just work out and talk to the some of the I think footballers like Ricardo Quaresma he used to come to my gym I love him yeah he's he's trivial is something else so this was in Portugal yeah yeah he was in my


this was in Portugal yeah yeah he was in my gym for one month I think he was going through some rehab that time I think he was playing in Porto if he was supposed to be better than Ronaldo yeah when he was young yes and uh the narrative in football is that he slipped off a little bit but you know who's to judge what kind of mental health issues you're going through I think circumstances are big but I'll tell you his vibe from his heart it's it was very pure it was a genuinely good guy they used to call him sigano in Portuguese Sagano I think he's a very endearing term for calling the Gypsy you know because he came from the gym the background so with a very endearing way Portuguese used to call him usagano like that Gypsy you know his hours and yeah so anyway uh so it was becoming very like repetitive the same cycle five-star hotels you know Michelin food and Barcelona 2012. I remember reads uh I


food and Barcelona 2012. I remember reads uh I was stayed in his suite I spent 15 lakhs on two nights which was I think too much some of my friends got food poisoning seriously I think I still may have the receipt you're born in poverty and then you go to spending 15 lakhs in two nights it was crazy I used to have like few ATM machines so when I used to go to the you know in Europe they have like these um uh ATM centers and you have like three or four ATMs so just just show off to my friends as to put one card in each and quickly type before the time runs out and take money out and give it to the friends and again take the next amount you know three four cards put the pins just crazy and I was like yeah I don't think I've spoken to someone on this show who's seen this amount of life including your previous life yeah like you've seen the most amount of life and then you return to like


most amount of life and then you return to like Spiritual Living and love says a lot yeah I'm I think I'm fortunate that I saw everything quite soon and uh I managed to get get back on track and right now I'm happy with whatever little I have sometimes I have little sometimes I have little more more than little right now I live on donations I teach and whatever people give me one rupee 10 rupee one thousand ten thousand it's up to them I don't charge for anything nothing at all so yeah is there a shortage of anything in your life no nothing at all I think as long as I can pay for my air tickets to come to Bombay and see you to eat Vada pav honestly as long as I can just I love photography um I've won a few decent cameras and good lenses I love photography so I like taking photos traveling seeing uh different places as long as I can do that I have enough money for that I don't think I need a Maserati


for that I don't think I need a Maserati anymore in your extreme Rich ways you used to think about the monastery and your purpose and these things um yeah I used to think maybe like is this really what I want to do you know I would wake up in the morning and I would I could smell my mother's bread kambiri it's a North Indian dish and ladakh we call it kambis I think they also serve it in Punjab so my mother used to make them on Stone flat stone like the smell is very nice very thick my mouth is watering so and you put you know you just cut it in half you put a little bit of jam little bit of butter next time when you come to the trust me it's something else so cambiria I used to remember and I used to wake up and I could almost smell my mother's kambiri and her voice you know uh asking me to wake up I would wake up and then I would realize I'm in Europe I


and then I would realize I'm in Europe I mean nice place but not in my home and I would have to eat some bread and all that you know so yeah so I used to think about a monastery I used to think about my colleagues I used to think about my spiritual path whether I've deviated too far with it but it's too late you know and uh whether I'm doing the right thing so but then I kind of got trapped because what happens when you have when you enter a certain circle in the society there's what we call in Hindi Lane then give and take so even if you want to withdraw you can't they won't allow you to because their own happiness the version of Happiness depends on you being a part of the circle so it becomes like a cog in the wheel so it becomes very difficult to come out of it I realize this um so either you just uh you know gracefully Escape gradually or you just immediately eject you know cold turkey yeah


you just immediately eject you know cold turkey yeah cold turkey I think I did the cold turkey bit I bounced one yeah I just sold everything bought a ticket to uh back to India came to Darjeeling donated everything to you know we have another we have two monasteries one in Himachal one in Darjeeling donated to Darjeeling in Himachal came to zero and then again spent two years in Retreat just to detoxify all the Michelin food and all the all the traumas of the Big Brand okay so that's your story oh so many more questions and honestly this is where the podcast Begins for me okay because I had to give the listeners context yes before we move on to what's happened after that point and kind of what's up now and your perspectives on life which is the true depth of the podcast for me we have a segment called audio presents keep it casual where we unlock the human mind a little bit more in order to move forward in the podcast so


more in order to move forward in the podcast so I hope you're ready yes round yes totally okay agio presents keep it casual with palgarinpoches sir now you can't think too long about the answers you have to kind of answer it quick and then I might ask you tangential questions just to understand you a little bit more okay in your free time what do you do now I read I write and I think okay what do you read novels uh Buddhist teachings um and comments on my Instagram page yeah and what do you think I think about the future uh based on my past experiences and based on what I'm doing right now next question for you what would an ideal death in this lifetime be a death will have no regrets but do you have a version of it physically I'm glad you asked I have this Vision that I'm lying flat on the ground looking up and the sun shining with a blue sky like this beautiful color you have yeah dark blue sky and this sun shining


you have yeah dark blue sky and this sun shining through the leaves and me passing away okay do you have an incline towards when it is um honestly I have no idea okay I I hope I'm able to achieve certain things in my life for the benefit of the society and then but even now if I have to if I were to pass away tomorrow I have no regrets okay I'm ready to yeah you want to quickly tell us what those achievements could be um to help people look for true happiness which is within and not outside that's the main uh next question so other than your monk robes you have to die in another outfit what outfit would it be I used to wear a lot of Hugo Boss uh suits I used to have a few I used to love their cut and their style okay um I used to wear mostly boss black I for casual I had both orange and green right now I think I'll just wear some uh track pants uh maybe some tiger only took


some uh track pants uh maybe some tiger only took her shoes and some new era cap okay basically I like I like baseball cap put it back and maybe some nice body hugging t-shirt okay like a gym goal yes Beyond being a little bit all right cool I think style says a lot about who the human is uh okay what's the key to making money ah the key to making money honestly speaking if you ask me honestly as a green Pusher as a guru is to accumulate Good Karma number one just know the Thunder you're gonna expand on that thought because if you don't accumulate Good Karma you will attract the wrong kind of wealth which will destroy the remaining wealth that you have already and break relations and life doesn't become worthwhile after that it's like having a rotten apple you know true okay what's the key to giving it up renunciation inner renunciation true renunciation renunciation based on realization let's go one layer deeper how how do you realize uh think you have to be fortunate


do you realize uh think you have to be fortunate to realize it through karmic circumstances or you go through a deep trauma and then some big Misfortune befalls and then you think like this is futile like when kovid happened I think it opened the eyes of many people and made them realized that even though I'm a crorepati I'm not able to find a single oxygen tank and I'm not able to find a bed for my dying mother so I think it was a wake-up call so one good quality about suffering is that it helps you to renounce certain things um wow okay I want to actually ask you a little bit more about that you know you said something about being lucky through circumstance right now I feel there's only two kinds of people who actually choose spirituality in material Life One the ones who are born into a spiritual family and the second are the ones who go through suffering and there's nothing else I'd have figured yes yes um it's just that


I'd have figured yes yes um it's just that you either go through suffering enough to accept that spirituality is more important than anything or your born in a family which teaches you that from the time you're a baby anyway am I right and say that yes you are you are really yes all right uh next question sir so you can't think too long one word that comes to your mind when I say the following words meditation peace crystals clear ghosts Phantom Buddhism love and compassion Buddha speechless okay all right they say that the place you stop in these one word games are the kind of thoughts that occupy the most real estate in your mind yeah like for me it would be love I would like stop uh love happiness all right uh what do most Indians not understand about Buddhism that Buddhism is not only limited to chanting and from a Buddhist perspective that Buddhism though has many similarities with Hinduism it is uh very different in some other ways okay yeah


is uh very different in some other ways okay yeah we'll expand on this after you know the surroundings with keep it casual this is the point that allows me to go in different directions sure uh so it's something I'm very interested in knowing all right next question what do Indians not understand about ladakh that ladakh is not part of China the Nike is not part of like uh maybe ladakh is not in the area of Northeast many people don't understand that ladakh is very Indian that ladakis are very proud Indians there are many states in India some of them are happy to be part of our beautiful Constitution to have this national identity in ladakh we don't have that everybody's I can say I think I can say everybody is patriotic they we respect the Constitution we obey the rule of law and we're very happy that um ladakh is a part of India and that we are Indians yeah um this is why I love this podcast you know messages like this come out okay um because


you know messages like this come out okay um because you spent time in Europe the next question for you is the best and worst thing about Europe ah um best things punctuality um you know respect uh for cultures a little bit more not that much stereotyping um certain things you know they're very professional you know and they uh like to this like to spend their time I think in in a more mindful way like when they go to Nature they don't take their phones with you like I remember when I was eating with my friends there were some elderly ladies and they scolded me for uh I think that iPhone 4 and I was just scrolling through something and they scolded me and they said in Germany like they were Germans and they said they call them social Killers so certain things you know when they when they eat they actually talk the converse and they have a way of eating and there's so many things good about them um negative things I would say um spirituality wise not as deep as


I would say um spirituality wise not as deep as Indians that's I think the main thing that I saw which is then it causes other pains yeah yeah yeah yeah it it creates a lot of uh unanswered questions in their minds which they cannot solve with uh you know science science money or good eating habits or punctuality so there are certain things that go be a way beyond that okay um another outfit question for you I'm taking you back to Europe a little bit uh when you first gave up monkood what was your opinion on the clothes of the world because you're used to wearing robes as a monk when you first came out what was your opinion on style clothes these things um I think address everything like very baggy hip-hop clothes you won't believe like you couldn't you could fit an elephant in one of my pants it was very baggy uh trust me I think you wouldn't want to see my old photos people used to make chicken sounds when I used to walk


used to make chicken sounds when I used to walk around you know because I had like chicken pattern clothes and like spiky hairs and all that but I think I was very fascinated by uh smart dressing like suits and all that you know very sharp smart dressings and like how the mafias used to dress up you know a big fan of Godfather yeah one last question for you yeah if you were to be buried and if you had a tombstone what would your Tombstone say Ah that's very difficult honestly here lies the eight bulgar in Pochi and he brought meaningful changes in so-and-so's life that's it nothing else all right and that was audio presents keep it casual sir that was fun so many new tangents to take this conversation on and this is where I will now skip the stories and ask you some of my own questions as well beginning with what you said about uh Hinduism and Buddhism being similar yet very different I'd like to know um I think it


very different I'd like to know um I think it will not be fair on my part to say that I can compare both religions or both Fates uh because Buddhism I know a fair bit Hinduism I know I don't know that much but from what limited knowledge that I have and some of the swamis and the gurus and pandis that I know um the main difference would be that in Buddhism and I may be wrong but the one of the main differences would be in the intention and the motivation of why we do certain things like hawan for example fire Puja agniag uh chanting mantras going to a temple or even like eating drinking sleeping and you know just um breathing in Buddhism the idea is that um samsara is full of suffering the nature of samsara itself is suffering and samsara is the deluded state of mind that's what we call a samsara samsara is not a physical place like you can say juhu or you know


physical place like you can say juhu or you know kolaba it's not like that samsara is when your mind is confused and deluded and your default emotions are that of ego ignorance anger attachment jealousy greed the negative emotions so if your default emotions are negative that's samsara and if your default emotions are purified and is that of patience compassion love generosity so on then is nirvana so in a nutshell that's how we describe it so in Buddhism especially in the Buddhism that we practice we wish for all sentient beings all beings living beings uh to be rid of suffering and to find Everlasting happiness and that's what we call enlightenment to basically wake up from this Matrix we yeah like the simulation of material ISM around us yeah because if I may expand upon it from over this perspective some uh whatever we experience whatever we see what do we feel has two modes one is appearance and one is his nature we are caught up in the mode of the appearance


we are caught up in the mode of the appearance we don't we don't go beyond appearance and we don't see things for how they really are we only see and feel things for how they appear it's like a small child when he or she sees a movie and then see and then cries at the end you know the dog is died and the daddy will say no no no don't worry this is a movie dog hasn't died daddy sees the parents see the movie The appearance but they also know the nature the real side of it the background the child doesn't know so we are like children we're caught up in the display and we don't see the real nature of how things actually are we only see things for how they appear if you remember these two modes tomorrow when you have a meeting when you go to the beach when you play football when you go to the gym when you interview somebody else anything things start to make so much sense and you don't get caught up with the mirror


sense and you don't get caught up with the mirror only the mere appears the Maya you go beyond that and you understand everything is impermanent everything is subject to change people are not bad by Nature temporarily yeah they get angry and all that so it's okay and sometimes it's okay not to be okay you learn YouTube perspective changes so in Buddhism our ultimate motivation is that all beings sentient beings be free from this kind of delusion and to see the you know the real nature of phenomena and to be free from confusion and so on what are the two Mayan and vajrayan what are the differences um so basically in Buddhism there are three different uh Vehicles we call them Vehicles they're like three different paths that you can go on um there is a therawada path which is mostly practiced in some parts of India I think Maharashtra is practiced quite a lot and you have in Thailand Cambodia have seen those monks orange robes Barefoot and all that they


monks orange robes Barefoot and all that they practice a very Orthodox and very traditional form of Buddhism and based very much on discipline uh and their motivation and intention is mostly centered around themselves and their own small community now in mahayan uh it is expanded to all sentient beings not only to yourself and to your monk Community but is included including all the beings because no being no living being wants to be sad and every living being whether is human dog insect want to be happy that's why ants carry all that breadcrumbs that's why dogs wag their tails it's just there in nature so Mayana recognizes that and vajrayan is Mayan but it's like the turbo version of it with the Nitro so it's a very shortcut fast path towards Enlightenment like how we have Tantra yeah and we practice Tantra uh we practice you know like different kinds of practices we practice so we have included a lot of practices and traditions from different faiths also also from Hinduism we


from different faiths also also from Hinduism we have adopted a lot of things also from like you mentioned at the beginning one or Shaman tradition they've employed a lot of things um yeah it's with the goal of Nirvana yes not only for yourself but for all beings so that might be the biggest difference I think between uh Hinduism and Buddhism yeah yeah Fair I mean there is a thought in Hinduism about thinking for the welfare of society but I've not come across or too many Hindu Scholars at least on the show who've spoken about complete General uh Universal Universal positives uh when you're a good person when you do good deeds you do accumulate a little more when you pray it's a little more karma when you meditate intensely it's a little more karma when you do certain Tantra rituals it's even more it's a volcanic amount of karma therefore you are able to move down the path of uh Enlightenment faster when you do certain rituals


Enlightenment faster when you do certain rituals am I right right okay yes uh in the world of Hindu Tantra there's a big uh significance of deities which is basically a format of God so you have the universal God which is parabram and then you have a version of it which is understandable for the human mind that same God expresses itself as durgama or Krishna or Shiva or Hanuman it's gone but expressing itself in a version that would be helpful to you based on your subjective reality and path okay now what I understand is that in um certain parts of the world practice Buddhism even you have deities yes like Tara yes uh yes you want to give us a little bit about the Buddhist angle on deities and how does Buddhism generally look at deities because the Assumption about Buddhism is that we pray to the Buddha when we talk about Buddhism like that is Shiva I'm assuming you know like for a lot of Hindus


assuming you know like for a lot of Hindus but a lot of Hindus Krishna is the ultimate so I would assume that for Buddhist Buddha is the ultimate but then where is there a room for deities okay so Buddha when we mention the Buddha the Buddha we are talking about Siddhartha gotama who was a prince in Ancient India and so on we look at him as an inspiration we look at him as a guide as a sort of like a prophet one who showed the path at least in this Eon in this kalpa in our age um so we pay homage to him but we don't see him as a god that is against Buddhist ideal so we don't actually believe in a Creator and a destroyer we believe in um the accumulation of positive Karma and negative Karma deities like Tara uh manjushri we have a mirrored amount of deities some peaceful and some wrathful really yes so by wrathful do you mean evil no but we don't


wrathful do you mean evil no but we don't mean I don't mean evil I don't mean angry by wrathful I think the one way to put it would be choose the Indian anecdote of I love this word feels yeah Fierce fears you know we just use the term wrathful but not angry they're not angry at you it's like when a parent scolds you when your parents call you it's not that they hate you they want to harm you they want to help you they want to guide you but at that time you're too naughty so you will only understand the language of uh air pulling if you're lucky and a tight slap if you're not that lucky so in Buddhism we have wrathful in peaceful deities um and deities we see them as okay now if you talk about the highest level teachings of Buddha they are manifestations of your own true nature in a nutshell there are certain manifestations of your own true nature a reflection of your own true


your own true nature a reflection of your own true religious deities yes likewar is the compassionate nature in a human form of your own true compassion Tara is a manifestation of your true Nature's activity manjushri wisdom vajrapani power and so on uh and then some of the deities the similarities are very vague and very similar but then the story the differences are very similar but basically that's how we see deities are we don't see them as external beings residing somewhere and just blessing us we try to um invoke them by chanting their mantras by visualizing them and in doing so we're not connecting with someone who's out there we're connecting with our own primordial true nature which is what we which we feel is enlightened so our true nature itself our core is good it's clean it's in enlightened it's just a wrapping it's wrapped up it's like a diamond Kohinoor wrapped up in a rag if you have a rag over there nobody would know there's a


a rag over there nobody would know there's a Kohinoor inside so it's a bit like that so God is inside you yes you can call it God you can call it Buddha nature you know the Buddha nature you can call it Enlightenment yeah okay um you've witnessed a deity in front of you uh in the human form yes like he saw one is a 14 Dalai Lama he's we consider him to be a human manifestation of bhagwan abulakateshwar of the deity of my own Guru he's all you know he saw in his own Rupa we consider him to be the manifestation of different deities but usually the other manifestation of our kiteshwar because of we feel that the true nature of compassion manifests in human form in our society not only as a Buddhist but can be a Muslim can be Hindu it can be an atheist can be a scientist can be anything okay um I remember the last time I met you you spoke about a ritual you


I met you you spoke about a ritual you had done where you had to become very cold for some time I'd love for you to share that anecdote with the audiences because it seems like it was a version of torture but now I'm understanding it might have been some sort of a tantric ritual you were doing for the sake of your spirituality going forward I mean I knew this then I just have the words to explain myself now okay so what was that and what did it do to you what happened at the end of it okay um the practice is called uh Tumo uh and it is part of the six yogas of naropa narupa was a great uh Indian uh mahasida an enlightened being and he created these six meditations we call them yogas but six different meditations so the primary one the one at the beginning is what we call Tomo it is basically Kundalini Kundalini Yoga so you use your the fire element of your body and you visualize


your the fire element of your body and you visualize I'm not able to describe in detail because it is a secret practice uh and just so that people don't get um you know excited about this practice is so cool I want to do it they just do it for the sake of being cool and not for the true purpose so I will not go into the details but basically you are invoking your uh inner uh fire a channel in your body and you prepare yourself you do certain uh pranams certain breathings you do certain yoga certain movements and you prepare yourself for you know one month two months after that then we go to the Himalayan Mountains in ladakh and in January which is the coldest month the coldest day which is mid-jan trust me when I say it's cold in ladakh in the mountain it is extremely it's like I'm talking -30 actually I never took a thermometer with me but I think next time I'll take it I'll send you a screenshot if


I'll take it I'll send you a screenshot if the phone doesn't freeze uh but I think it must be 25 minus 25 to minus 30 extremely cold so we depart at 7 11 p.m and we meditate throughout the night outside in a group or maybe like 5 10 15 people 15 yogis and we are dressed only with this belt and a special underwear that's it and we sit in the snow and we meditate using our breathing a combination of breathing a combination of visualization and um yeah that's it breathing and visualization you don't feel cold you don't feel cold you actually start sweating because your body generates that much heat yes because of your breathing patterns and your yeah and your visualization it's so powerful we don't even chant that time it's mostly breathing and because we have already prepared yeah you know for a couple of months and then your body starts to heat up and you start sting seeing Steam and the snow around you melts a little bit and we finish around seven a.m in the


little bit and we finish around seven a.m in the morning when the sun is about to rise and sometimes we wrap um thin shawls wet shawls around the body to see how many you can dry up so it becomes like a mini competition it's a lot of fun actually so you're doing a dry cleaning business I don't know how hygienic it is but you're sitting there mine is 30 and people are wrapping you know wet is almost minus 30 they're wrapping wet shawls around you and you have to dry it with your uh Kundalini fire it's like some sort of an exercise yeah I think so okay yeah to see like um it's like a to measure your your you know the heat levels and the purpose is not to be cool or not to be famous the purpose is that you use this inner fire to burn your negative emotions and to inflame the fire of compassion in love then what happens and I think I'm allowed to talk about this only until that point you gain what


talk about this only until that point you gain what we call means great joy your body feels it's sort of like honestly I think I'm not wrong when I say it's kind of like orgasmic but it's constant and you feel this great joy permeating through your body and you're always happy you're always kind of like in a high it's a very weird feeling but even that's a distraction uh yeah I mean it can be the wrong motivation for people to do it but then I think if you prepare yourself well and if you have a good guide you know not to get caught up with these kind of uh experiences okay um so it's basically for Spiritual advancement it's an exercise and you test yourself every year to see if you can go further yes okay that's it and I'm sure there's a ton of practices you can't even speak about on the show yes all right yes uh I don't want to prove much no no it's okay I will only speak as much as I


okay I will only speak as much as I feel I'm allowed to all right because this is the ranveer show yes one of the themes we have on the show is the occult my intention for always bringing up the occult is because it grips teenagers it grips the modern day human yes times have gotten so dark in your past life it ended in a dark fashion it says something about where human nature is going and even the human nature sometimes is beyond our control as human beings it's God's doing times are becoming dark my intention for bringing up these kind of Concepts on the show is so that people listen in and then also listen to the spiritual stuff because not everyone said it'll just listen to the spirituals yes do you deal with occult elements in your own practices in terms of the one thing I've learned about the Paranormal and it comes up a lot on the show is that when we talk about things like ghosts or beings or aspects of Satan they feed off of


beings or aspects of Satan they feed off of the same energy that you're accumulating for your spiritual practice being a Buddhist I don't lie and I will not lie ever and especially not on your show um I will not say that I've seen a physical Ghost with the tongue sticking out with the legs bent and I don't know Fire coming out of his mouth but to be honest with you I've we do what we call exorcisms rinpoch is one of the duties over in poche is when somebody is possessed uh by some sort of Spirit whether it's evil you know malevolent just a bad Spirit we have to exercise the person and to protect the person from further harm that I've seen I haven't seen a physical ghost appear out of somewhere yeah so we do do some how you describe occult stuff and in the Himalayas it's a very ancient place lots of Wars have taken place it is still not developed like the rest of the nation uh so lots of the places are


of the nation uh so lots of the places are still virgin in terms of spirituality so lots of spirits reside in the plains in the mountains in the rivers sometimes when you build your house in the wrong location and without doing the proper pujas and bhumi Puja and all that without doing the proper cleansing and offering like for example if somebody were to rent your place and if you're willing to sell it or to rent it um they have to give you some money they have to talk to you properly nicely write a contract and everything if you don't do that if somebody comes and just puts his tambu in your house you will not be happy and you will do your best to eject them so it's a bit like that we don't see the spirit world and especially if it's a clean ancient world and then if you all of a sudden start digging up for foundation put up a toilet you know septic tank you know like everywhere um so yeah some of the spirits get


everywhere um so yeah some of the spirits get angry and they start you know attacking you in a way and entering the body of people that I've seen many okay um how do you feel when you're dealing with them when you're doing an exorcism compassionate because um they're also suffering I don't take offense from such Spirits I understand why they are entering the body of another person and what they're trying to express their you know their anger um their reversion you know their dissatisfaction so I feel compassion and based on compassion I try to remove them peacefully from the person's body you've had a conversation with any of them yeah and the funny thing is when an innocent uh ladaki girl or a guy most of the time it's a woman actually I don't know why um when she's possessed and she is pure ladaki and ladaki language is a little bit different from Tibetan though we have similarities is based on the same script um like maybe Hindi Nepali a


the same script um like maybe Hindi Nepali a little bit I think so but she speaks perfect Nepali then like perfect Tibetan and then she says I'm from this place I'm from that place and you have never heard of such place until you verify and you realize that there was such a place as somebody had fallen down a Gorge and drowned or killed or whatever and just very unhappy and just wandering around looking for Liberation and found this innocent girl so yeah so then when somebody speaks a different tone a woman has the voice of a man and starts speaking a different language you start to take notice whether you're superstitious or no I'm not a superstitious person I am a modern person slightly educated being around the world I don't believe in like things easily until I see them so I've seen them and I've talked to them and I've interacted with them yes okay do they acknowledge your spiritual prowess yeah they usually kind of freak out a little bit


yeah they usually kind of freak out a little bit they look at me and they're like um you know go away and I'm sorry but you know and I'm scared of you please don't harm me uh because we say that rainbow Chase we have been practicing the Buddhist path for so many generations like I've been doing it for eight rebirths so maybe like 500 years roughly uh more or less so then we also do a lot of what we call Protection deities we have a lot of protection deities they're very powerful and they accompany us so some people who are who can see who are possessed but with not with the bad spirits with some relatively good spirit they look at me and they're like on your right shoulder there is uh chuckman which is a male deity very powerful on your left shoulder there is which is like Kali Mata and then you have a third eye on your forehead so yeah they say certain things like that so we are accompanied by deities


things like that so we are accompanied by deities so wherever inputes go his deities will accompany him to protect him so that his activities will not be uh you know there will not be obstacles so when some of these people uh bad Spirit they see me they sometimes freak out a little bit and they say like oh I'm so sorry you know for doing this please don't harm me and all that but I assure them I'm only here to help you and please stop touching this person and I say certain mantras you know mostly I try to do it compassionately yeah mostly mostly yes some of them are quite naughty and later [Laughter] I can't imagine you angry or feels just when I talk to you I feel like I'm talking to someone younger than me you know like you give out that kind of uh Sun Goku energy that's what I'll say but when and how what do you do when you have to become fears with the uh it's honestly I never beat them I


the uh it's honestly I never beat them I never physically harmed them maybe I'll squeeze their hands a little bit I will grab the head and I will just squeeze the skull just a little bit to grab the attention I'll make them look into my eyes and I will try to enlarge my eyes though I have very small eyes and I'll tell them now I'm not you know bullying I'm being serious and you really have to let go of this person you really don't want me to you know you don't want to see the bad side of me and I do have a well I can say I do have a fair side he's been suppressed for a long time you've had to take it out and out for yourself no no I haven't taken it off for many years and I really don't like to take it out are you comfortable talking about when you took it out um yeah I mean it's like I don't know it's like I really get out of control actually and something happens to me


out of control actually and something happens to me there's this fire burning in my body everything becomes very reddish dark reddish black and white and I just focus on that person or the thing that is enraging me so much and I just zero into that and I don't say anything else so I used to feel that more when I was younger but now I think with practice with meditation that has become more under control yeah carried these deities and abilities with you when you went to Europe uh well I honestly speaking I really don't know I carry them or not that's what you know the spirits tell me but supposedly it goes with me wherever I go and maybe sometimes when people say like oh orange I feel this Aura with you you're a little bit this and that maybe they feel certain aspects of these deities you know they're projecting something on my behalf or I don't know but I've had near-death experiences like I've almost drowned once when I drove my Maserati at


drowned once when I drove my Maserati at 300 kilometers per hour on the Autobahn almost crashed um I was very foolishly Peugeot 106 I think in England I was very poor I had a Peugeot 106. lovely little car I was going to work and I wanted to change my sweater so while driving to commercial belt okay and I was taking over my sweater it was stuck I couldn't pull it out I pulled it down and I was almost entering the the lane that was coming this side so almost died there like maybe a split second I managed to put it back so a few near-death experiences and also when I had kovid almost died two years ago very badly hit by kovid I had pneumonia before I had kovitz so my defense went down my immune system the system went down and I think it was the first one I don't know which one it was but it was very Fierce there was no uh you know vaccination nothing at all and uh almost dead then


vaccination nothing at all and uh almost dead then but I think there was a time when I felt I was okay to die I'm ready to die or like if I have to die I'm okay yeah but he was supposed to do all this more work in the world I guess I had to be on the ravisha honestly then those Chinese we will I want to know a little bit more about the deity aspects of you spoke about wrathful deities as well um why are Roth full of ears deities even needed in the first place is it for even more fear spiritual advancement is it for more fears protection a bit of both uh sometimes you need a little bit of fire in your practice a little bit of arrogance in the way you carry yourself um to to become successful in daily life but also in spiritual life so in those parts you need certain wrathful deities you mean the elements of those deities rub off on you yeah that's what we call about transformation so what


yeah that's what we call about transformation so what happens uh I think I'm okay to share this with you on this show when you are in uh three years and three months Retreat uh the basic practice the major practice that you do is you receive the empowerment of a certain deity okay you get introduced basically to a certain deity you have the deities phone number let's say you know where the deity is living on the ninth floor on this building on that side so basically you have entered the deities premises the deities has allowed you to enter the deities premises you get introduced like this through an Abhishek empowerment Abhishek by Guru after that then you are empowered to practice a deity and then the deities hours rub on off you like you put it and we do this by visualizing ourselves as a duty constantly for three years in three months and chanting the deities Mantra nothing else nothing else day night as much as you can we sleep in this position


as much as you can we sleep in this position we wake up and we chant the Mantra we literally brainwash ourselves with the deities uh you know powers and everything so I guess you kind of absorb the deities uh personality the deities powers and it starts manifesting in your activities the way you feel that we carry yourself you can be compassionate you can be down to Earth but then a flick of a finger you can be this froth full fierceful deity and just comes out and people like whoa so yeah and with age you learn how to control it yeah exactly so you have like this Jacqueline Hyde inside you and you try to control the wrathful one because that's slightly more unpleasant and that's only like a last resort kind of thing in what kind of situations um in many situations honestly you can look in relationships uh I think especially relationships I think the girls had some wrathful deities no no that I attribute to your uh good looks and to your good energy


to your uh good looks and to your good energy and to your past Good Karma yeah you have been a good person I think you were very in Buddhism we say you're very patient in your past life so in this life you have lots of people who like you yeah so that's your good karma from your past life anyway moving forward um so yeah I think I really cannot tell you like particularly when you when do we use the wrathful aspect or when we don't I think it comes out and goes whenever necessary okay it's like the AC on O2 actually so when the temperature is like you set it to 25 and the room Ambiance we are like 30 people in the room the temperature heats up it automatically goes down to maybe 17 or 16 it cools it down so it's a bit like that once you realize they're less people less body heat it goes up again and maintains it 25 okay um are we good to go a little longer I can go all night I'm gonna


little longer I can go all night I'm gonna go one layer deeper okay with your permission and the deities permissions around you as a human being or as a soul that's chosen monkhood do you have a lot more duties in a realm other than this realm that we're in right now like we're in the Physical Realm there's a higher realm which in a lot of books is called the astral world it's the world of Dreams it's the world of deities it's a world of ghosts come to realize that all monks have much more work there probably a lot of spiritual human beings also have work there but they're not aware that they're working there and those memories I raised every time you wake up in the morning not for everyone but for many human beings are you comfortable talking a little bit about this yeah it's part of my life okay so um when you come to radhak not if when you come to Lata can spend some time with me uh we will I'll introduce


some time with me uh we will I'll introduce you to some of the oracles people who get possessed by good deities and they prophesize the future vaguely they kind of direct you to a certain things they will just to gain your faith they will tell you something that only you know initial then after that they will talk to you once that happens and you know oh my God and you keep your mouth open you look at everybody else and you know that on the ranveer alavadia knows this thing nobody else maybe one person more then you gain their trust so I'll introduce you to some of the oracles that I know and have gained my trust and faith um and they tell me of like uh they guide me sometimes when I meet them they tell me not to worry that all the deities are with me I'm doing a really good work and they ask me to be careful of this politician that person in the village they asked me to be careful of this period like three


me to be careful of this period like three months just be a little bit careful after that it'll be okay things like that so they also tell me about like um um you know to which a village to go to and to which um place to visit and to consecrate to cleanse it using Buddhist teachings mantras and so on like doing yog for example we do a lot of yag I personally do a lot of you know so what other kind of yoga is there well the main young is agniak but then there are different kinds of yogs but the main yagis yeah um and we chant a lot of mantras mantras are very powerful so they guide me through that in the spiritual because they see the spiritual realm the dimension we only see the human Dimension you know I don't I'm not an expert on this but they tell me that certain place needs certain things and you should go there you should do this you should meet this person and oh be careful of that person


meet this person and oh be careful of that person and he's planning this he's planning that and I'm like okay I'll be on my Lookout don't worry yeah so they give me a little naughty list most of the time okay um do you remember your dreams uh yes but to be honest with you I don't drink that much okay yeah why for some reason I don't dream that do you think your soul is at work uh I hope so I hope so um but I really don't dream that much and I'm very happy that I dreamed I don't I don't like dreaming too much I think we have enough dreaming going in the daytime I like because I think it's also one thing I want to touch upon is the power of meditation ranveer it's crazy man it it makes you rest it gives you rest at such a level that even when you sleep for two three hours you feel like you have had a sleep for eight solid hours the power of meditation because it rests


solid hours the power of meditation because it rests your soul your core your mind your Consciousness it dress all the layers of your being the ultimate of which is the core is a soul you know the soul is the sorry the soul is the core and on top of that your Consciousness you have like different layers uh it rests everything down to the core so when you wake up from your sleep if you're meditating and then you sleep for two three hours you feel like you're ready to go again it's a crazy thing so I think maybe that's why I don't drink that much but if I do dream I remember them yes okay let's talk about meditation um I've been meditating for five years now and at this stage of my life I feel I'm going slightly deeper and sometimes I feel it's not an outcome of the effort I've put in it was just the point in my own life time where I had to reach in my own timeline I had to reach this point and then the


timeline I had to reach this point and then the meditation would allow me deeper am I right in saying that or something okay yes some things are predested yeah I think it's like Mario Reaching the pipe and entering the pipe you know so unless you reach the pipe have you I'm sure you played Mario yeah yeah so if you don't reach the pipe you cannot go down to the uh bottom level so it's a bit like that and I think at certain points in our lives we reach like a portal and then you enter it and then certain practices help you to go deeper into certain aspects of your life okay yeah yeah um no I'll take it one level further the yogic path has always fascinated me since I discovered meditation because I realized oh your body and your mind can be manipulated through yoga a little bit and you can make it more conducive for meditation yes so I left non-veg I left alcohol with some difficulty I left marijuana okay but I left


some difficulty I left marijuana okay but I left them slowly okay okay and at this stage now next is maybe junk food you know like that you put into your bodies and if you can give up these will go even deeper into America yes but my question is that all these Cravings of alcohol weed smoking cigarettes non-veg yeah sex are the Cravings also placed in your head because of Destiny but the desires also come out of some place and then in the same way that your meditation goes deeper at some point in your timeline to the desires also leave you at some point in the timeline are you supposed to work on it yourself um I think you don't necessarily have to give certain things in your life I know some yogis who eat meat and they are the best meditators I know some yogis who have sexual partners married relationships and they are like some of the best meditators most spiritual people I've met and I know some who smoke weed so I think you


I know some who smoke weed so I think you don't necessarily have to give up certain things in life but when you're starting for the common person so that you don't get caught up in certain webs or let's say you don't get caught up in Hooks and get torn apart it's good to remove those hooks from the wall so that when you enter your room your body doesn't get caught up your clothes don't get torn but as you go deeper in spirituality you realize that most of the things that you want to abstain from and you want to renounce are inside you not outside you that's the real renunciation you're saying that abstaining from negative emotions is more important than abstaining from yeah from jealousy from greed from attachment from ego from you know that that's more important than alcohol yeah yeah but obviously when you start those can be uh miss you know like misleading and they can um you can get addicted to certain things and they may harm you so maybe


certain things and they may harm you so maybe initially it's good to abstain from meat and you know alcohol and marijuana and whatnot and eventually as you go deeper when you learn the real renunciation the real abstinence which is from within then you realize that these external things don't make any difference they may sometimes even enhance your practice let's talk about that um so um okay let's talk about uh sex okay bluntly speaking in the Buddhist vajrayana path uh there is an element of meditation we called uh sexual Union so we uh those who have not taken celibacy Wows as a pure monk those who don't have who have not taken the syllabusive house uh at certain points they're allowed to have a concert a companion with whom they how can I put it I don't want this to become misleading for the general audience they uh they practice in a union uh which is sexual in nature but the goal is not only sexual gratification like orgasm the goal is


not only sexual gratification like orgasm the goal is to deepen their spiritual uh their spirituality the deep in their meditation yeah we've had a tantra practitioner on the show spoke about tantric sex with the goal of tantric sex being witnessing or deity in its real form yeah at the point of orgasm but it's a very stretched orgasm which you can't really call an orgasm that's very true yeah I will know I don't know whether we can I can say the same thing as in witnessing the deity but I will say maybe realizing the deity I would use the word realize realize the deity realize the certain practice that you're doing at that time whatever practice you're doing um and yeah the object is not one orgasm for a few seconds and then done it is it kind of continues and stays with you that feeling what I was talking about the great joy so um so yeah like you know at that point I think sex becomes an asset so in


that point I think sex becomes an asset so in vajrayana Buddhism the Buddhism that we practice we don't even uh you know we don't negate anything anything that can enhance because anger like for example anger is a very strong emotion but if you can work with anger if you can cultivate anger it can actually burn your negative emotions wow You'll have to expand that thought yeah uh I don't know how to explain it um like you know without guiding you through it but let me just put it that way anger is like a fire that if you contain it in a heater like in a stove it can cook your food you know it's like fire but then when you let it out when it goes out of control if you don't know how to cultivate fire it will destroy your house so anger is a bit like that if you let it out with ego with intolerance and with the intention of harming somebody it can destroy you it can destroy all your good points Karma and you can


can destroy all your good points Karma and you can also cause a lot of disharmony for the other person like how breakups build bodybuilders yeah maybe I've never thought about that buddy anger or break up okay you end up using in the gym and you'll see a lot of gym Bros like the guy in front of you at 19 at 20 when you go through a bad breakup often you like channelize that pain and anger towards building your body and that's all you know then it becomes building your career then it becomes building your spiritual note so yeah I think you can put it that way actually you know so it's about channelizing things in the Buddhism practice we don't reject anything we channelize it okay that's how transformation works because if you only choose the 50 of the good emotions and you reject the 50 of the bad emotions then you're only utilizing 50 of the energy or whereas if you use hundred percent of them and learn how to work with them and channelize them and


learn how to work with them and channelize them and how to use them in your day-to-day life meeting different kinds of people for different purposes money uh Puja anything bodybuilding traveling it just uh enhances you 50 more some people might consider this a shallow question some people might consider it a deep question uh I have no opinion I don't even know what kind of question it is and I've kind of hesitated about asking this question on the show for a long time again because of the place of not judging okay which I learned from you that's why I think you're the right person to ask this question too um I think there was an astrology based YouTube channel called abhigya okay and a relative of mine watches a Big Year a lot and a bigger spoke about how we're in a dark age and a big part of the darkness is people killing animals for food like that especially with factory farming okay it's not even done ethically anymore yes so his explanation was that ideally you


yes so his explanation was that ideally you shouldn't be killing animals for food but if you have to at least do it ethically where it's Farm raise you take care of the animal but now animals are being like born like are they being created just because you know being killed and eaten yeah and then they have to go through suffering they're also a part of the universal Consciousness and the consciousness of Mother Nature in the same way that we're throwing them away as tissues maybe the Earth is starting to throw human beings away as tissues just so they understand that listen you can't look at meat as just meat I'm asking this from a very non-judgmental perspective I've been a hardcore non-vegetarian been on one end of the spectrum I have even practiced veganism I'm vegetarian now I eat I eat milk or products I eat paneer okay uh I just don't know what you think of this do you think that our acts on animals are actually causing the Earth to


our acts on animals are actually causing the Earth to go through what we're going through yes very much the way we are uh warming the globe extracting all precious uh natural resources that we are the way we Harvest animals as food you don't see them as living beings with capabilities of profound emotions and sensitive Beautiful Creatures who can cry who can laugh who can run around you who can give you the love that nobody else can give and just to treat them as food and so on yeah collectively I think we are we are accelerating a Dark Age we're not helping it at all uh becoming vegetarian I think can help in many different ways not only to um stop you know causing suffering to innumerable amount of animals who are innocent or beautiful and who deserve to be treated humanely even if to be consumed for for food by certain people uh though I think the entire world should become vegetarian uh yeah so I think it is accelerating the decay of our time


think it is accelerating the decay of our time definitely and myself like you just were very honest to admit I also was a die-hard uh non-vegetarian until five six years ago living in Europe and all that and um you know being part of the Himalayan Society my previous incarnations were all Tibetans and um nothing grows in the winter there so you have no option you either eat meat or you starve it's basically just that only reason in ladakh especially after we got UT Union territory uh vegetables have become more abundant they fly from in the intense cold months they uh the you know the government uses special cargo planes and transports vegetables because the roads are locked you know because of intense snow so um yeah now we have a choice so that's what I'm telling people but in some of the villages which are near the borders I don't talk about vegetarianism because it's not fair on the people they do treat the animals humanely there is no Mass killing my


the animals humanely there is no Mass killing my mom so yeah like if they if I tell them not to eat meat what will they have Maggie or Top Ramen for how long so but in places where food is abundant I tell them we have a choice now and I make them aware of all the steroids and the hormones and the antibiotics that they inject into the animals which are bad for our bodies but also at the same time about all the stress stress hormones that the animals excrete in their bodies when we cut our fingers we go you know but imagine how it must feel when your body is tied up and your throat is being cut when you're being stabbed on the on the head with a gun you know and when you're being electrocuted and I just I don't know man I mean like you know when I was a non-vegetarian my response to what you just said would have been but it's so tasty like that's what I used to say the thing is your


that's what I used to say the thing is your taste buds kind of are subjective yes and once you go vegetarian your your base preferences change honestly that's what I've heard but it's something you have to experience to really know again no judgments everyone's food choices are their own at the end of the day uh coming back to this question about the Dark Ages you spoke about oracles have they had anything to say about the age that were yeah they do they say that people are losing faith um You can call almighty God you know goodness people are losing faith in the teachings of the Buddha of of spirituality you know uh people are becoming very materialistic very instant uh and they asked me to remind people and to connect to people because they are caught it they are caught up in the spiritual world and they can only speak to a few of us in a very intense way gnashing their teeth closing their eyes you know like huffing and puffing and running around and jumping


huffing and puffing and running around and jumping around and you know extending the tongue and literally they're so frustrated uh the expression comes out quite vividly and I don't think we can you know we can have them on the channel or I think it'll be quite podcast with an oracle yeah I think the mic will you'll have to replace a lot of mics um but yeah so they asked me to do my best to to meet the right people to amplify my voice like I'm doing through you and with other people and to reach out to many people and then to remind them to be more mindful to be more spiritual to be more compassionate to replace their default emotions with uh good emotions yeah so that's what they do but they do take notice of the changing in times and yeah do they have a timeline in their minds because everyone believes that the 30s are going to be the beginning of the age of light at least a lot of the spiritual people are okay do


least a lot of the spiritual people are okay do you have any opinions on this not really yeah it's quite vague we talk in terms of Ages we don't talk in terms of decades or you know certain amount of time we talk in terms of an age an era so it's quite vague yeah but I think in my opinion in my humble opinion though I'm not an expert I think it's going to take um some time at least not while we are live really yeah yeah I think we're still okay but we may witness small decays here and there but I think in our time there are still good people in the world and we can step on the break a little bit and delay it but overall the world is going to a darker Place yeah the arc is not definitely favorable but uh we do have certain people and they manage to correct the flight path a little bit and hopefully it will not happen in our time do you have any last message for everyone who's listening to this very


any last message for everyone who's listening to this very long conversation that we've had um I do have I have a lot of messages but uh I just want people to remember one very important thing um just stop looking for happiness outside in external phenomena because all external phenomena um is compounded they're made up of joining things like our bodies they're made of of assemblage of marrow bones veins flesh skin hair and so on a house a beautiful house it doesn't matter how beautiful it is it is made of bricks and mortar and stones and so on money one crore 10 crore one billion is made up of one one rupee it's an assemblage it's a compound so don't look for happiness in compounded phenomena because they're all impermanent and by impermanent I mean it doesn't last it is a time limit it usually has a price tag Gucci guys [Laughter] this version that version iPhone 14 iPhone 15 you know Maybach Maseratis uh this restaurant that restaurant this girlfriend that boyfriend


uh this restaurant that restaurant this girlfriend that boyfriend you know everything has everything is compounded phenomena everything is impermanent and almost everything has a price tag so don't limit yourself don't limit don't assign a price tag don't assign the curse of impermanence to your source of happiness because impermanence means something that is born that that comes into being that remains and then that it ends it has three different modes so your happiness will be born every time it will stay for a little bit and then it'll be gone then obviously likewise your happiness will also be born will remain and be gone and you will try to replicate it all the time and it becomes very tiring exhausting you can get addicted to it like some people are addicted to parties it was very nice party this time next time let's invite more celebrities bigger venue more music longer time maybe some other things that to eat and drink so then you want to keep recreating all this experience and they're all very addictive that


all this experience and they're all very addictive that euphoria that sense of happiness because it's all out there it's external it's compounded it's impermanent instead look inside look Within yeah and with the foundations of love and compassion patience understanding not judging others understanding that everybody wants to be happy saying thinking from your heart yeah smiling just being good and even if you know that the person is fake sometimes and I'm sure you do meet certain fake people and you know from your heart that you want to run from this room and you never want to see that person again you have to be compassionate you have to know that that person wants to be happy he or she wants to be recognized that's what they have put on certain clothes wear talks in a certain way shines in a certain way you know and pretends in a certain way crosses his legs her legs this motion that motion that laughter that touching of the hands you have to see everything with a sense of compassion that


have to see everything with a sense of compassion that that person is they want to be happy like how you want to be happy let me just say yes yes okay good very good you just smile I nod my head like the meme yeah yeah so you understand what I'm saying yes yeah everybody wants to be happy yeah so wow uh love driving through your entire life honestly not the last time having you on the show is a very grateful for just having met you and I would have had this conversation with you anyway best life in the world that I get to record it and earn my bread through this so thank you from the bottom of my heart so thank you for your time thank you for your perspectives before we finish I would like to present you with a small gift for your new office mean so much so this is uh the Mantra um wow yeah and it has a extra syllable of Sri which is to wrap it all up this is the basic Mantra um these six syllables uh


is the basic Mantra um these six syllables uh represent what we what I chanted in the beginning it represents compassion and wisdom it represents love it represents uh patience it represents generosity it represents discipline wisdom everything and it is the I I cannot express it in words how powerful this Mantra is it is the Mantra that brings positivity it is the soap that removes all stains and bring brings cleanliness to the fabric of your life so I would like to offer this to you to be put up uh wherever you want in this space and uh I hope that the power of this Mantra brings positivity though you don't need that much yours you really are on the right Arc thank you so this means so much I know exactly where this is going up this is going up in my bedroom um I will have to wrap it up very gently you know because from our end uh our team also has a gift for you thank you it's from Team TRS and uh agio it's


you it's from Team TRS and uh agio it's a little hamper with a few material goodies I wish we could wrap in some spiritual goodies as well but just consider that we've wrapped in our love so so this one's for you thank you it's a little heavy thank you uh all right yeah okay just thank you for being on the show sir and team TRS I can't thank you enough and this is not the last time we will meet I just hope you had fun today so I did really was such a pleasure meeting you a rest of your team and to be in this beautiful studio and uh I look forward to meeting you again and I know that next time we we meet we will be in ladakh yes yes thank you thank you again thank you since this particular conversation I am a hundred percent sure this is not the last time I'm meeting Parker in poche and this is not the last time you're witnessing palgar and poche on audio presents TRS for more episodes just like this


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the biggest threat to a country is if you cut off their water and one of the reasons why Pakistan has adhered to the indust water treaty that's the only treaty they have abided by with us is because they have a favorable deal on the treaty they get more water than they should according to the treaty even according to the treaty and we need to re-evaluate the treaty remember how many days the Russians the Soviets fought against Hitler in Saint Petersburg a year and a half I think bread and water that's all they had and Hitler had to retreat now that is the Russian strength the belief in themselves that is why Putin is continuing till today because he has that string palakkot counter-attack that we did after pulvama was a message that if you do this we will do this to you and we'll do it again it has made a difference the tune has been different since then we did this welcome to another special episode of rgo presents the


welcome to another special episode of rgo presents the runway show we have Vikram soothe with us on today's episode he's a former rnaw Chief the research and Analysis Wing you know you see spy movies with all the top Hindi film stars they're all Loosely based upon rnaw the actual functioning of rnaw the actual world of rnaw is extremely different than the world shown in films but I promise you it's much cooler if you take a deep dive into their world along with me on today's podcast over the course of his career he achieved it in style and today Vikram sooth is going to share whatever he's allowed to share on the Indian internet remember guys we've done a lot of military episodes this is our first English rnaw special we've done one in Hindi with GBS sidhu but this is hopefully the first of many more rnaws special episodes for more episodes like this make sure you follow us on Spotify whether Spotify exclusive every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before


exclusive every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world this particular super stylish look has been styled by rgo so if you wish to look like this make sure you begin shopping on the rgo app straight away lots of heavy duty questions and even more heavy duty answers coming up on this one this is an rnew special it's all about spies it's all about geopolitics it's all about the future of our nation's security as well please try watching it till the end it's an epic episode enjoy another episode of audio presents show [Music] an epic conversation awaits Vikram suit so how are you I'm very well thank you for having me here okay that's all you want to say that's all I want to say for the time being um you speak very Less on your interviews it is a it's become a habit now because you have to be short and crisp when you're talking to important people they can't be very valuable so get to the


they can't be very valuable so get to the point okay and then get on with it so people do tell me that I'll try I'll try that okay um I've reached a point in my own Journey with Fame where when I go to parties uh people celebrate me for just being there all the YouTubers here do you ever get celebrated for being the former rnaw Chief occasionally yes it gets there and when when I do a podcast like this or when I do an interview then I momentarily remember okay and then people move on to other things that's fair enough life do uncles and aunties come and prove you about your rnaw yeah they want to probe they want to know they they attribute a lot of things to me which never happened or never would have happened but they say is okay let's begin with the story of rnaw there's too many kids watching this show college students uh teenagers but I'd also say their parents are watching the show and I believe that the


are watching the show and I believe that the parents believe that they know what rnaw is what raw is but I don't know if what they believe is the truth I think you're the only person I've met today in my own podcasting Journey who has the ability to explain what rnaw is in its truest form okay so I will let you take it Forward okay I start at the beginning huh all right start at the beginning of let's say the what was our intelligence operators at Independence and how raw evolved over a period of time and with to go from the British all the systems that they had we took over and to begin with we had the intelligence Bureau responsible for external and internal intelligence this is where I probe and ask you what the meaning of intelligence is intelligence is the gathering information about the adversary his plans his intentions his abilities and is likely moved against you against India to our detriment so it is Advanced knowledge really or sometimes even the background knowledge and then assessments of


sometimes even the background knowledge and then assessments of what might he do one is collecting hard intelligence factual intelligence um you know that they've made this uh equipment they've made this bomb or they've made this new weapon they've raised new Infantry Division now what does that mean to us that some experts will get together and decide that the raising of a division here means that they are expanding in a particular direction that they want to raise a mountain division for instance they're raising a mountain division obviously they have intentions to use it in the Heights so you know then you then you or or on political issues and who's going to win the next election in in a particular country what is our assessment who are the candidates and what are they like what is their attitude towards India all that has to be fade into the system for the governments of the day to be forearmed for equipped with this in the beginning all this work was done by the intelligence Sparrow then remember in 1962 we had


the intelligence Sparrow then remember in 1962 we had the Chinese invasion and we had a we took a knocking there then we had 1965 the Pakistani invasion they had sent in uh so-called Freedom Fighters and and into Kashmir and we pushed them back and then the famous movie made into cross the international boundary at Lahore and moved the troops in which the pakistanis did not expect but we were we had to do it because otherwise they were going to cut off Kashmir from us so this was the move and that changed the whole direction of the war in 65. but we were caught unawares really into the surprise okay and we we succeeded in doing what we needed to do it's I think at that stage the government started to think that given the situation that we are in with an enemy on the one front and another enemy on the other front one organization will not be able to handle it with full devotion because you go to do internal work too so to decided that there should be


internal work too so to decided that there should be a new organization dealing only with external threats not internal threats therefore they decided to form the research and Analysis Wing the research and Analysis Wing is is rnaw but normal people call it raw but we prefer to call ourselves rnaw anyhow that's that's a matter of detail so the raw was created in 1968. September 21 1968 was the day we got the orders that this is now come into existence and Mr Aaron Cowell was the head of the organization he remained in charge of the organization for nine years and he saw it through its raising and abilities and the first page of success raw had was the 1971 War with Pakistan over Bangladesh and Bangladesh was Pakistan was split and he got Bangladesh we raw helped The Liberation fighters of Bangladesh then East Pakistan in their overthrow of the Pakistani regime in Dhaka so that was the first major success of raw not just in terms of intelligence but intelligence operations I.E helping the mukti bahini


but intelligence operations I.E helping the mukti bahini train them equip them send them in to fight the Pakistani irregular forces so that was what we did in the first few years of the existence he spoke about hard intelligence which is data about equipment or actual moves that the enemy is making I'm assuming there is something called Soft intelligence as well well her intelligence is is either based on documents proof proof or is based on audios or you know imagery all the modern gadgets that you have now photographs imagery audio recording documented evidence a letter from A to B the other is that your source knows everything but he's not giving you documents or or proof of that so that you have to now rely on him on his information by Source you mean a spy on the other side somebody you've raised somebody you've cultivated is paid or otherwise he's operating in behind let's say Enemy Lines and he gives you information he sends it to you by by any means in my code by Cipher by letter


by any means in my code by Cipher by letter through rooted through another country because it don't let him do it directly exchange of information from 8B those days in my days when we joined when I joined in 1972 we didn't have any of these there was no such thing as a mobile phone you must you know like kids these days have all these equipment so we didn't have any of this we didn't have we didn't even have facts even teleprinters came later or maybe around that time so we were relying either on the information collected by the source and brought in or rooted to somewhere else time was a constraint I mean it could take 10 days for him to deliver that information by which time it might conceivably be old um he had the information but he couldn't reach it to you and therefore it is redundant okay so you these are those are the patrols of that time I remember we used to there's something called topographical intelligence that means you collecting intelligence about the Topography of


that means you collecting intelligence about the Topography of the neighboring country you're mapping it out mapping it out you didn't have the facility to do it by satellite imagery you have to do it on the ground okay so you had to send a guy in with equipment so he'd go mile by mile Bridge vibrates Culvert by Culvert to collect topography then you put it together piece it together it could take maybe a month or two to get that thing right but nowadays it's also different and you got Google map and it tells you everything not everything right well it tells you a lot a lot that he wants you to know okay okay so what I've gathered from your answer is that rnew collects information about what's happening on the other side of the Border uh especially about activities that could be dangerous to India's security yeah uh now Yola collecting information through multiple means one of which is spice or I'm sure there are countless other memes which you're probably not even able to


other memes which you're probably not even able to talk about on a public platform uh also once you've collected that information there is an analysis part of rnaw that tries predicting the near future or the next moves of the enemy and you all feed that Intel to what I am assuming is the Indian military and uh the pmo and maybe ISRO I don't know well I tell you two things here okay the meaning of security today is much wider okay it's it's not just military anymore it's not just the political aspects of what's happening there they're important they still remain important but you have um demography for it migrations if there's a a famine in the other country and those people start to come into your country that could be a potential security threat because they don't know who's coming in okay you have instances of even water shortage the biggest threat to a country is if you cut off their water and one of the reasons why Pakistan has adhere to the indust water treaty all these


adhere to the indust water treaty all these years that's the only treaty they have abided by with us is because they have a favorable deal on the treaty they get more water than they should according to the treaty even according to the treaty and we need to re-evaluate the treaty why is it more favorable towards Pakistan because without generosity you say that these Rivers will flow into Pakistan and these rivers and the southern Rivers we would make use of but but we're not able to make full use of the rivers Waters and they just close in okay so we want to that 70 30 equation has to change but if we balance it out and make it 50 50 what happens then they're not going to do it so easily they say that change of the treaty is a is a is a Act of War okay so we have to negotiate okay so we I suppose the government would at some stage go into it seriously they're talking about it but what's


it seriously they're talking about it but what's the point what will happen if we change it no the change is you are you are violating a treaty that you have signed so automatically you lose sympathy with a lot of people okay it's not the done thing I mean powerful countries do it all the time the United States of brigades treaties it works of treaties when it feels like but they can afford to do it okay we would prefer a negotiated settlement we would certainly want it to be hoped that Pakistan sees reason at the end of the day because right now they're in a an awful mess so maybe now is the time to work that treaty out but that's I'm getting ahead of my time I'm getting uh that's all right so we were talking of something else actually I was going to say that the intelligence that intelligence agencies collect and put it into use is about 10 percent of the total information that is available most of the information comes from open sources which


available most of the information comes from open sources which means what which is available to everybody everybody knows about it it is the art of putting that intelligence that information together with with this additional information that you've got that gives you the quantum jump okay and tells you what might happen is there any chance you'd mention some of the open sources you mean like Google Maps or something yeah even Google Maps wow okay or social media really yeah if somewhere of intelligence agencies watch social media and write in it too can't write in it contribute to it okay it's it's a weapon of collection and a weapon of uh influence you can psychologically impact yeah you can you can twist the story around and you can make WhatsApp can do it um okay look at the kind of stories that you can get on WhatsApp these days you don't know which one is true which one isn't is India a victim of uh Chinese and Pakistani intelligence agencies twisting narratives on social media I expect they are doing it I


on social media I expect they are doing it I expect they're doing it and I wouldn't be surprised if they're not doing doing this this is this is the game um little rookie question for you okay and I'm asking this on behalf of mainstream media how do you feel when you see movies like pathan or tiger or any Indian I think we haven't got the art of doing those movies you think they can be done better oh yes I mean they can be realistic okay they're not realistic what you see what is not realistic about them huh well it's not realistic you're trying to make a James Bond movie which is also not realistic okay then you have this story of the isi girl in the raw man living happily ever after when take a break has that ever happened not really right no the whole atmospherics of the whole thing you know I haven't seen batana and I won't see it because I don't think it is an accurate depiction it's not an accuracy I'm not