can you hand hold that ball it should not be the case that just to help somebody you only end up in the you know Dire Straits in the worst conditions there's no intelligence in that yeah so you understand who it is that you're trying to help what kind of karmas that person is and whether you can sustain the impact of it okay okay mentioned in Mahabharata as well right same thing same thing only thing is that they are very unlikely to come today directly back when they mentioned bakasur who used to eat yes food as well as human beings it was in a physical form in a physical form and not some of the surahs were not even physical also it may have been at a time when a very ancient time of the rishis see uh they used to come in the physical form when the human beings were of that caliber today if an Asura were to Incarnate there's nobody will be able to stand no human being has that capacity only yeah and I'm talking about not just


capacity only yeah and I'm talking about not just you me I'm talking about the people who are the best Saints even they can't handle their power they have such a raw power you can imagine the story of the asuras when the Devi Mahatma if you read which is a text of MAA Durga and she's fighting mahishasura the battle goes on for 100 years 100 years she is fighting is this an astral battle consider it an astral battle that happened before uh humans of this era populated but uh had blessings from God so he became very very powerful and uh and then the goddess had to Incarnate to destroy what do you mean before humans of this era populated so what I mean to say is that so the society as we know it today so it is possible that the time of the rishis were very ancient I cannot say positively one way or the other but in the sense both in the physical features as well as their spiritual physical emotional uh stamina


as well as their spiritual physical emotional uh stamina and strength and capacity was far more than ours okay also the population was far less I mean if you look at the population of the world we are at one of the peak times there's been I think from mid 80s because of certain advancements population graph has gone just like this okay population graph goes like this so there are own consequences of that but we are talking of an era and specifically this mahishasura and all that perhaps would have happened at a time when only a Selected Few rishis were there not even the average people like this okay there's millions of years ago possibly I don't know I can't fix the timeline okay but let's say that but the good part is that suppose you are a great upasaka you can experience that battle even today of the great God oh yes the greatest person that but these that's why we say that the activity of the gods are Leela Nila means it's a play even when they're destroying the


means it's a play even when they're destroying the Asura they are creating an energy stamp so powerful that thousands of years six thousand seven thousand years ago by remembering that story you are getting spiritually benefited very science fiction oriented question but is it also a way of saying that very high levels of sadhna allow you to time travel uh time travel in Watsons is there multiple senses no I I want to understand what was in your mind when you say okay friends time travel x-axis Y axis z-axis three dimensions time fourth dimension okay so uh time travel in the sense physically time travel yeah uh I don't think I have no idea actually I don't think that's possible okay but uh knowing what happened at a very ancient time accurate knowledge even if you were not physically present that is possible okay it's very much possible okay uh in 2022 I don't think frankly I don't think that there are any actresses here because I don't think that they have uh so they will not


don't think that they have uh so they will not incarnate in this plane their power is way too much and asuras are even more but they they don't incarnate in this plane like that they're extremely powerful extremely one we cannot even imagine they're like a god just like a devatha only in the negative sense okay but they can influence people their influence is very much possible they can influence the minds of people and do various things and from the plane they're setting in yeah yeah that they can do in fact some people believe now I I can't either vouch for it one way or the other some people believe that one of the things that Lord Krishna and Arjuna Arjuna was that caliber upasaka also it was not just a fighter it was a great practitioner by the way so they ensured that the asuras do not get physically born because they knew that the Kali yoga people don't have the power to take that so they ensured that the surahs don't


that so they ensured that the surahs don't get physically born here other actresses don't come here physically but the influence cannot be stopped so there is always a choice you have you want to follow that influence or not okay um there's a difference between the two but yeah asuras are have a higher IQ let's put it this way you cannot argue with an Asura also it will tell him one scripture will tell you 10 scriptures you will tell him one logic he is a master of logic he's a master of the intellect he's a he's a being who has exceptional intelligence he's a being who has tremendous but remember this thing they are not atheists they are not nastikas they they don't believe that there is gods they fully know that there are gods but they want to do their stuff and Gnostic or what I tell a non-believer is at the lowest rung of the person he's the one who denies reality which is fine I'm not even asking him to change what


is fine I'm not even asking him to change what his ideas but Asura is not one who is who does not believe in uh the Divine and does not believe in the presence of the deities he is a terrific exceptional practitioner he has got that powers and then he misuses it Powers he's fully aware of all the Realms he knows what his occult he knows everything he's equally confident and equally Adept in the material rational world as he is in the spiritual realm how does he expect that he will like Escape Karma uh I don't think they look at karma in the way we do first of all because the other thing is that they live in Realms where time moves very slowly our realm time moves the fastest which means that Maya or or the or the or on enveloping of the mind or attachment let's put it this way you get attached to something it could be anything Etc so this happens very often in our plane but at the same time progress can


in our plane but at the same time progress can happen very well faster in this plane in few lifetimes you can progress you can go down also few left hands but in those Realms time is very slow so there so in fact some of the asuriks some of the stories of the asuras uh like coming back to mahizas was incarnated three times now by the way there's an interesting thing about maisasura say that maisasura was an amsa was a part of Lord Shiva see the player that's how our culture looks at these asuras they say that when the Great gods are involved that is because at the immediate level there is a fight that is going on but the impact of that is still going to be positive for the whole universe so Maisha Shiva says that how do I show to the world the power of the Goddess so he incarnates gives the blessing a part of him not fully little bit of energy projection and emanations from Shiva comes bonds and gets born in the


from Shiva comes bonds and gets born in the family of an Asura he does tremendous tapasya because without that power of Shiva he cannot do that kind of the person gets blessings that he cannot be killed by God he cannot be killed by human being everything he forgets he mentions everything only thing he forgets is to add a woman okay so that one thing is then used later on three times he gets killed not once three times in three kalpas three cycles of creation he gets killed by the goddess Durga and in fact there's a beautiful section where myself would actually before his in the second kalpa we call it the three culpas of death second kalpa when Durga manifests and he he's an upasaka by the way he he's not he's not asuras are not non-believers by the way they know the reality of these things they know fully so he knows in his meditation he sees that he's going to die and he sees that who this great power is this


and he sees that who this great power is this goddesses okay and uh he goes into Rapture and Bliss and he tells the Goddess that I don't want anything okay I am completely your devotee okay I don't I know that this is meant to happen I don't even want anything I just want one blessing from you that I should get offerings in the young girls so your guys are done for the gods okay asuras you cannot give any offerings to them has come by the way all these stories she says to him that I cannot do that because if I do that it will completely turn the balance of the world Dharma will completely get rattled because the yagya offerings can go only to the gods he said but I'll do something for you I'll give a blessing so that whenever there is Durga upasana happening it has to be shown in that posture where her leg is on the Mahi sasura and she's killing him and during the Durga


and she's killing him and during the Durga Puja that actually happens in the mantras one Mantra is given to the Asura also he says that by this act you will remain Immortal till the time there is Durga pasana that happens among humans and then what she does she puts a veil on his mind so that he doesn't remember this conversation so that he can fight with his full force because if he has this knowledge that he is who is he will not fight he is meant to die okay and then there is this whole battle that happens and she kills him and that story till now is inspired and navratri and everything that we do it's so beautiful so that when you go to the Karan jagati all this good bad Etc all get balanced then there is no in our Dharma there is no one single Satan Divine kuchni nothing yeah wow you know how uh young people say I'm trying to build Legacy in the world well even Asura say that yes time immemorial


world well even Asura say that yes time immemorial and when we're celebrating yeah somebody remembering the Asura also as a devotee of the and we our our second conception is that anybody who dies in the hands of the great gods is liberated by the way whoever in fact not just in in the case of this we see in the case of the Shiva purana when Shiva is destroying and Shiva andaka is one of the asuras who has created very powerful etc etc and there's a lot of battle and beautiful description in the Shiva purana how shiva's whole Army is going with Shiva okay the ganas and things like that Etc at the last moment in the battle he pinsula and he lifts him up okay and Shiva at that time has become the energy of bhairava the fierce form there and then in that condition the Surah is begging to him is saying that Lord I am your devotee okay and that State uh then Shiva is kind he says that okay


State uh then Shiva is kind he says that okay you will become a devotee you will become one of my Gunners the people who are hanging out in around Shiva so that is a kind of Liberation that is a kind of uh kind of mukti a freedom you know um again do you think that there could be possibly billionaires or world leaders who are being influenced by these I I can't say one way or the other I can't I really can't say there is a possibility uh but one thing is there wealth has a corrupting influence huge amounts of wealth average amount of wealth is fine but huge amounts of wealth extracts certain prices whether it comes to health or something else or something like that wealth does have a suric influence on it and this is not my word this is in those writings huge amounts of wealth not ordinary well the ordinary wealth is perfectly okay but extreme amount of wealth when it comes there are always certain asurik influences that get tied


always certain asurik influences that get tied with it what are asurik influences uh Asura is trying to influence the environment for example if you have huge amount of wealth you have to protect the wealth you have to end up doing certain things which are not normal or which you'd normally not do and there will be places where you will do something that is adharma which is you know incorrect unrighteous something negative things you'll have to do the moment you do one you're you are opening the Gateway so uh there's a belief that huge amounts of wealth can also have certain amount of acidic influence can it attract asuras whether it attracts the surahs or whether they go and find yeah maybe uh I don't know exactly but yeah a huge amount many obscene amount of wealth I'm not talking about ordinary wealth okay the amount of wealth does involve negative practices and we we negative practices I'm not talking sorry not talking about tantric practice and all that I'm saying that some of


practice and all that I'm saying that some of the other negative karma is there that gets involved just to maintain that wealth as a protection in fact you'll see very interestingly that we worship um mahalakshmi for wealth right mahalakshmi well so Lakshmi is not only wealth she gives a sense of prosperity of well-being inside that happy space that you call about and use in today's language she's the one who controls it so you may very well be a beggar in the road but if you have that happiness inside it is her blessing that gives you whereas there are beings who control wealth specifically okay very specifically your controllers of wealth uh certain kind of reactions and all that they guard those wealths very ferociously you will have the wealth and the condition that you will you cannot have your peace of mind this is the deal with the devil thinking that this uh I don't know about that I'm not I'm talking only from our perspective because I unless you study that


only from our perspective because I unless you study that properly I can't do a comparison you mentioned that gandhar was and yes take birth in human form and then become excellent at something that they do yes like maybe great music composers great musicians great artists yes yes great what else uh depends great people of excellent knowledge in certain Fields sometimes can be am I speaking to one statement so but uh that's possible uh very often beings and not just and all that being some higher Realms also can get born by the way okay even even in today's day oh yes even if the karma is like that then for what purpose it could be various things uh sometimes there may be something left unfinished to finish that off some karmic thing there could be sometimes that some desire was there for something that needs to be fulfilled or sometimes it is for as I say local which is that for the benefit of humanity uh somebody of of the caliber of lahrimasha was the founder of Priya yoga it's


was the founder of Priya yoga it's an amazing caliber cinnamon we can't even imagine why would a being like that I mean I am damn sure that he must have attained to his high States in past births only why would he want to come down that is because this play can be created with Babaji and him so that this knowledge comes to the people and even if five people are benefited that's good um do these beings know that they are those beings when they are in their human form mostly don't they don't mostly don't and what is the nature of reality no they will have to go through the process as I keep mentioning so moment you're born nature is going to cause a filtering in your mind so you will not remember the past okay you will not remember the past and just like any other person you'll have to be work through the whole process like anybody else but because of your samskaras which is the tendencies that you have gathered through your past practices they will


you have gathered through your past practices they will drive you into those zones or these areas those practices once you start doing that nature will cooperate with you because you have done these things in the past and there'll be an unraveling in fact a good eighty percent of the spiritual path is just recovering what you might have done in past after that 20 new will start portsmen possible I'm just guessing when I I it's not that I know everything about it but this is the broad idea okay um one last question for you sir on this one where does space come into all this the cosmos what's out there according to Tantra according to Hinduism what's actually out there and I'm not specifically asking about aliens here uh generally I mean if you actually just study the size of space obviously there's other life forms out there there's no way we can be the only one that's arrogant to think that way etc etc but is there a role that space plays in Maya and Tantra in


role that space plays in Maya and Tantra in all these things when we're talking about are there other planets which also have astral Realms that are home to these beings I believe there are other planets that will have various kinds of beings who are spiritual in their way we may or may not know about it and I think some of the references do come to us in our scriptures also there are multiple not only multiple cycles of universes but there may be other beings it's not a about it uh space uh there's a famous dictum that goes in yoga brahmandu or yeah whatever is there in the universe is also there in the body now take it in the other since whatever is happening inside your body all these things that you say recognize that I have a physical body the national body of a current Sharif that is reflected in space also um fully reflected in space so this whole domain of the astral where all this good bad etcetera going on okay and it's


this good bad etcetera going on okay and it's beautiful also by the way I still no need to take it as a negative sense were some of the greatest pieces of art have come from the astral plane Inspirations from the astral print beings who inspired people to create some of the greatest pieces of art legendary art art that is stand stood the test of time for centuries after centuries those all come from the astral planes so there is this domain there are mantras in The Vedas and the other places where they will tell you about the there's the space then there's the antariksha and all that so this is a correlation to what is happening inside you there's up to a domain is there in this space for example uh and I'm not putting so many kilometers and all that reference where the astral plane exists where the thoughts ideas emotions feelings good bad everything of human beings and all the animated entities are passing around okay you go beyond that they silence Zoom everything is silent


go beyond that they silence Zoom everything is silent do the gods exist yes the gods exist in fact in a very unconventional way the one we worship as time what we call time the personification of time the one who controls and holds time in his body is mahakal Shiva almost a form of Shiva and one who controls and holds space is Vishnu these are the two entities so the more you go it is like if you if you go into vaishnava theology you'll see that there are Realms of vishnu's para Vishnu para Brahman who's greater greater greater greater greater greater Realms from there he projects his Divine incarnations every cycle when there is a balance that is lost in this plane okay so once you go to those realms is do the great Gods play their role absolutely they're still there there's no doubt about it in that space and specifically uh the concept of space I feel is very strongly linked to the personification of the of the of the of the deity


of the of the of the of the deity of whom we worship very strongly is Lord Vishnu this is my conception I'm not arguing about it yes or no somebody doesn't believe it that's perfectly fine I'm not even imposing it uh the other thing is that this has a link to the upasana now space may be whatever it is most people if they go into space they'll go crazy there's no sound nothing you have to live with yourself that's the most dangerous thing in the world so you you have to be you are alone but not lonely that's the difference if you force somebody into being alone two days later they'll be lonely lonely means you are craving for company somewhere the other is there no problem that's for that's fine that's normal that's human but once you are you go into that zones you will know that there is also the possibility where you are swast you are you are satisfied in yourself you don't need the single you don't have to see


don't need the single you don't have to see the face of a person and you will not go crazy about it you will remain that same yeah perhaps you'll not speak you'll have to speak so much and then you will have to but it would be a very Blissful existence it's a different matter altogether but it it's possible I'm not saying everybody will do it and everybody should even try many people I know will go completely nuts if they are put into an isolation kind of thing but sometimes it helps in upasana Sri aurobindo when he was put into jail in um solitary confinement only the text he had was the bhagavad-gita and day in and day out history did not this face of a person uh he could see nobody the month he stayed in there and during that state he had tremendous experiences of Krishna and to the extent that that is like a transformative state that happened for months he was he had no human contact solitary confinement in


was he had no human contact solitary confinement in that era in British jail is like strictest thing possible okay no human contact nothing absolutely no human face day after day after day only one text he keep kept reading the Gita over and over and over and over until he had a complete transformation and he had an experience of Krishna where he saw a state of advaitham Oneness with Krishna he saw that everything has become Krishna even the Jailer has Krishna even the judge was sitting as Krishna even the even the jail the rods of his energy Krishna okay and then he comes out a completely trans he's a saint comes out from there so uh space has a link to this is the outer space there's another space inside okay yeah that space uh it's very difficult to explain that but if somebody enters into that space there is that is where the Divine the deity will stay invoking the pranas okay inside the human body the most Divine part is only two


the human body the most Divine part is only two one is deep inside the heart deep inside mind you not the surface the surface heart has all sorts of emotions desires likings disliking dislikings it's the emotional body it's useless behind that deep inside somewhere in the yogic process somebody goes very deep uh you will attain Enter space very different that's like a space where the gods can play that's pure enough to hold the deities but devatha will not come into a place that is not pure it will not even touch that space and the other is domain this is where we have in yoga called the Vishnu granthi you open that's not it's a guardian not of it gets pierced by Shakti Kundalini call it or whatever else you want to call it a Consciousness it's Pierce and then you experience something Divine Indescribable Bliss gives you Bliss in the long run I'm not saying everybody who's doing is attaining to it then there is rudra


doing is attaining to it then there is rudra is here something [Music] um and not opens up and you enter a space you go beyond time he's the controller of time maybe access to higher dimensions it's not even higher Dimensions it's yeah higher but this is the highest Dimension this is the domain where even the world is all this we talked about this they also don't have permission to enter those puzzles and if somebody has activated either of these two either this is more difficult by the way to to open the rudraganthi and experience that to open the Vishnu granthi and experience that space inside that individual ever protected he can stand in the middle of 100 asuras they will not even dare touch him because that protection is very different I have a thousand more questions in my head and I've got a strong intuition to stop maybe it's just for saving content for later maybe it's because in this piece only this much is meant to come out um I know all my questions and I can't see


um I know all my questions and I can't see them you know so I don't know what we've done today sir Trilogy has come to an end uh I don't know how do you feel about this it was wonderful it was wonderful this is what is satsang speaking of the Divine it makes you feel elevated that is what the Saints used to say satsanga go to Good Company listen to good things it will Elevate you yeah um and it's happening on kalber of jnd yeah this is a very auspicious day very very auspicious day and may the blessings of Lord wherever we with everybody who listens to this podcast yeah uh thank you so and looking forward to speaking to you again feeling a lot of calm Namaste thank you that was three-part special on Tantra and the Occult and now you're as blown away as I was on the day that we recorded this one imagine having these three conversations on the same day my head was spinning at night


on the same day my head was spinning at night it was just too much heaviness to take in too much information to take in and it's been more than a month and a half since we've recorded these episodes I'm still absolutely Blown Away by sir's knowledge by his perspectives I kind of feel that this was one of the most important episodes in the entire TRS Journey I'm just so glad I get to share it with you guys having these raw open conversations learning so much sharing all the learning with y'all um sanjit who was sitting here we talk about this day a lot this day where rajashi sir came and taught us all this stuff podcasts value in your life is only as good as your retention skills so try retaining the knowledge that you're picking up from the ranveer show make sure you follow the rendition on Spotify every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world and remember if you're not feeling all right as the world


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uh you have a lot of respect from a lot of bros I have in the first place like a lot like a lot of guys are fans maybe because you're like deeply relatable dude 60 of my audiences between the age of 18 and 25. so it just changed because of these 10 on 10 videos I did during the pandemic outdoors and it just kind of moved the needle younger so now when I go out there it's just like 20 year olds or 21 year olds I'm like I have an acid reflux man like I don't know how to you don't relate to them but what I love about their Generations they can smell [ __ ] a mile away they only value authenticity yeah you know I think the reason you see a lot of like mainstream stardom and Bollywood theme shifting right now is because this generation smells [ __ ] what's happening in America you've been there for a while now America's like the hot girl from high school you know it's not hot anymore


from high school you know it's not hot anymore no who's hot but she's now back at the reunion and now everybody else is hot too and she has to deal with the fact that we all went and we worked out and we you know we got successful and now we're just as popular at the reunion as she is you know who you're sounding like right now oh the guy on you we had to yeah we had to go there we had to go there will you set up context because I thought it was hilarious but yeah this was the first conversation we recorded in 2023 veerdas has been a dream guest of mine for the longest time in fact when he started the podcast his name was on the original list of guests that I wanted on the show I'm glad I got him 400 episodes in because I think to talk to someone with this kind of a mind you need a little podcasting experience you need conversational experience and honestly you need some life experience I strongly believe


honestly you need some life experience I strongly believe that all the comics I know are also the smartest human beings I know honestly in many cases intelligence has a way of working against itself is someone who has Intelligence but he's also got stability this one was a commentary on Bollywood geopolitics the two India's situation that had happened in vir das's life his current mindset and whatever is happening in vedas's near future Vedas a special Landing is now live on Netflix make sure you go check it out and make sure you check out this conversation till the end this is Vedas on the runway show for more episodes like this follow us on Spotify every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world before I let you slip into this one I want to mention that one entire section on this episode was about Transcendental Meditation or TM a tool that Vedas uses to further his own creativity and sense of calm keeping meditation in


own creativity and sense of calm keeping meditation in mind just want to mention that our meditation app is now live it's called level super mind I've linked it down below lots of guided meditations for beginners intermediates and advanced meditators make sure you download level Superman begin in your meditation Journey right now this is [Music] in the house good to see you I can finally speak to you man my God I couldn't speak to you out there because I was saving all this for this conversation it's all good how are you bro I am tired and nervous is the two things that I am I'm uh tired because I've been trapped it's been a long year been traveling a lot and novice because I I don't do this a lot like comedians we get to hide behind the written word and so we don't I I don't know if other comedians do but I'm not always great uh without the written word okay are you still changing at the age and Stage you're at yeah man like


at the age and Stage you're at yeah man like I think you know India is a very young like comedy scene so but we don't realize is right Johnny lever is 30 years in so that's peak of craft you know or like uh Chris Rock or Chappelle 30 years in 29 years in peak of craft i'm 16. you don't allegedly even find your voice in comedy until 20 years in so I'm not the comic I was last year and I'm not going to be the comic that I'm right now next year it changes every single year so one gets to feel like the old man of Comedy uh in India or at least one of them but then you go abroad and get your ass whooped and you see like real 20 25 year Comics who are assassins and we may not know their names but they'll mop the flow with you so it's a nice kind of a hashtag workout moment uh you know when you travel out and see Senior Comics there's very few Comics who I think


Senior Comics there's very few Comics who I think get really good with time dude and you're one of them like I feel you've constantly like gotten better what have you done I just put in hours that's it like I um and I've tried to put myself in rooms where I'm nervous you know uh I feel like if you if we went to the habitat center tonight and there were younger comics comedy is very Democratic uh profession the new kid who's got five minutes can be better than the big star who's popped in with five minutes because he just has a better joke he or she just has a better joke so I try to put myself in those rooms a lot I did a lot of Club time to kind of really work on myself in the last two years so it's practice also it's hours it's ten thousand hours like anything else it's ten thousand hours I'm asking this from a very everyday perspective yeah because as a content creator I'm fighting against social media


as a content creator I'm fighting against social media algorithms therefore I need to maintain my audience retention therefore I need to be funnier so to become a mission of mine to become funnier over time but are they dictating your subject matter no uh but they are dictating the nuances of content but from the little that I've observed of you and please forgive me this seems like a external judgment Etc like to me the mark of a good content creator is anybody can make you laugh Anybody Can Make You Dance anybody can make you cry musician actor comedian do I know you um within 10 seconds of seeing whatever you're putting out there do I know who you are and I think you have that down and I think in a world that values authenticity now over any sort of anything else that's down that's something I strive for as well can they know you well thank you bro I've never had a struggle with that but I have had a struggle with being funnier dude


I have had a struggle with being funnier dude and that's what I'm asking you I'm asking you haven't done you haven't gone through enough [ __ ] then man maybe you need to put yourself in an atmosphere where you go through some [ __ ] or if I really expose my sense of humor I'll go to jail like it's only no control either and jail is a mental construct that can be defined by various other things you can be in a in a jail that your girlfriend defines for you also yesterday uh dude and he asked me who I'm uh podcasting with tomorrow and there was a lot of other people in the room and I was trying not to think about this because somewhere I was nervous about like talking to you maybe because of my past and that whole situation so I just said it's virdas and the whole room shut up and they stared at me okay that's that's the respective command now good stay bad stay because yeah I get both


now good stay bad stay because yeah I get both stories because we were in Mumbai uh that's the truth and I know where you come from because uh I mean I think success always brings with it you know people who like you and people who dislike you yeah but but my point is that that whole room just shut up and they were looking at me like what are you gonna ask him what are you all going to talk about dude and I don't know I'm not prepped for this one I just wanted to talk to you I want to get to know you as a guy I haven't read through it either man like I think you know I mean we both know I'm here because the special came out but the special is out you know so at this point even these feel like weird conversations because anything one had to say one is usually said in the piece of content okay okay I hear you uh I'll tell you the reason you command that much respect especially with Comics people are surprised with how


respect especially with Comics people are surprised with how much uh material you're able to write told me this yesterday he said that you sit for two hours and at the end of two hours you're ready with like 45 minutes of materials I will sit for two hours for sure um every morning like but I'm saying that is uh I'm up by like 6 30 right and uh I'm pretty sure you believe in flow and you believe in Creative right so for me 6 30 to 10 like I I've peaked by 10 AM creatively but I'm saying nothing uh uh 10 minutes of like gratitude which is just kind of how I begin a day sure and then writing instantly like nobody talks to me in the house nothing till 10 a.m so support is fueling the floor yeah basically you have to keep it in there it's pushing like if it's intestine potty and then your soul is above that the more you can fill up the intestine the more your soul will come out of you


the more your soul will come out of you maybe let's let's go one little deep dude how do you actually write jokes I uh I usually ask questions so I'll start writing down questions right like why is this like this so I don't understand this so who did that and uh then I'll kind of regurgitate onto a page and it'll be like five pages right then at some point I'll have to go to a club which means right so then I'll take that five pages with like a hairbrush in my hand and I'll walk around the house for like two days saying and that five pages will come down to one page then I'll go to the club and I'll try that one page and everything that I thought was funny will not be funny and everything that I thought wasn't funny will certainly be funny so now go back really listen to that I record my sets and I'll start expanding on what was funny and what wasn't but like to would you like an example like would


but like to would you like an example like would that work yeah go for it um this is very non-profound or anything like that but like I had to fart in the middle of a massage right so I had like Italian food and like Indian food timing you know like after you're done eating Indian food you have this much time you can time your body like this much time to make it to the bathroom you also feel the heat leaving your [ __ ] as well right so I didn't know Italian food making that time like that right so I was like in this massage and I hadn't gone yet right in some tight and so in my mind I'm like this is no longer a massage we are both moving a fart around to different parts of my body or with pressure and feel with energy so I think the the question that happened then was does anybody else feel this you know does this happen to her all the time what happens when I fart what is the part of my body that she


fart what is the part of my body that she will touch key Gates will open uh and uh and I will fart what will I see when this happens will she be able to tell what kind of Cuisine I've eaten you know so it is taking that situation and like 45 different questions and then the joke is just answering that question what's America like dude because obviously we have Priyanka Chopra on the show yeah who gave this whole um narrative about how it is not easy for Indian people to actually relocate to America and then start from scratch again not at all uh I kind of think it's just her and you who've done it very successfully in the mainstream Nova even close at the levels man like priyanka's the global Indian I walk into rooms with like your Indian like Priyanka Chopra so like that's that's a thing now dude you've been on like The Tonight Show and all these yeah sure but not like Priyanka Chopra okay I've performed on The Tonight


Chopra okay I've performed on The Tonight Show Priyanka chopra's on the couch man it's a big difference you know uh so I could not have more respect for what she's done and when she says it's hard I fully understand how hard it is for me now and therefore how much harder it would have been for her to break down the initial law yeah you know uh how hard is it for you now it is hard you know in terms of uh I have an Indian accent so a lot of times I'll go into auditions and they'd be like can you do the American accent which you do sometimes you're an actor so you're paid to put yourself into into other shoes I think they have such a palatable version of Indian culture that is coexisted for so long with them and you find this everywhere you go in the world there's like a a local Indian perspective there's a British Indian and that's been in six comedy shows there's an Indian in America and that's been in six


an Indian in America and that's been in six comedy shows whether that's a proof from The Simpsons or somebody else there's a Canadian Indian which is like a Russell Peters right so suddenly if you come in going no man I'm from the billion you know like I'm from today India they don't know you know what I mean they don't know what that perspective is and no judgment for not knowing they've got enough stuff happening in their their own country they're busy but bringing them around to their perspective is a tough one like you know I remember the first time I did uh like a late night appearance everybody was very nervous with me going out and I'll tell you why it's because my opening joke was uh hey my name is vir Das I'm from India have you been if you haven't been you must go because your jobs have all right that was the opening joke on Prime Time American television which is very middle of the road you know conservative America then I did a


the road you know conservative America then I did a bit about how American women don't deserve Indian men and then I did a bit about how my accent is a perspective it's not a punch line then I made fun of Donald Trump right so in a world in which every comic with an Indian accent has been coming and going oh what beautiful buildings you have etc etc they just weren't used to someone roasting them you're not even roasting them but having a modern perspective on who they were um you know what's happening in America you've been there for a while now I I think it's going through a mental health crisis that nobody's talking about I think I Donald Trump just felt like everything was on fire all the time so Biden Jovi bolo he's like a you know an old man and all of that stuff but I take that over irrespective of like left-wing right wing just everything feeling like it was on fire all the time yeah dude and I think if your top influencer which


dude and I think if your top influencer which is your precedence says certain things it goes uh and kind of encapsulates the rest of the country as well like the average person starts thinking in those tangents well I was saying this to a bunch of Americans the other day I think the America is getting used to the fact of grappling with the fact that it is no longer the biggest seat at the table and that there are many seats at the table now us included you know uh sometimes I feel like America is like the hot girl from high school you know who's not hurt anymore no who's hot but she's now back at the reunion and now everybody else is hot too um and she has to deal with the fact that we all went and we worked out and we you know we got successful and now we're just as popular through Union as she is you know who you're sounding like right now oh the guy on you we had to yeah we had to go there we


we had to yeah we had to go there we had to go there we set up contacts because I thought it was hilarious but yeah uh has been a regular on the show yeah uh he's a scientist who's also uh self-trained historian he does a lot of comedy in geopolitics I've learned a tremendous amount from him yeah uh he had a lot to say about uh your uh the video yeah do you want to give a little context on the video I did a video call to India's I think everybody is uh who's not been under a rock uh within our community kind of knows about it so yeah um see thing is when you're doing podcasts with someone you're in front of the person you get to know the entire energy of the person exactly I know him very intensely well because I've probably done like 20 podcasts with him and now I I believe I'm getting to know you as well I think we all were in the same room we already have had a great open-ended conversation


same room we already have had a great open-ended conversation kind of dissecting it but sometimes the internet has a way of um me polarizing yourselves you know what I mean so I mean the context is I got sent a clip all right where uh I think this gentleman was calling me a [ __ ] or something like that right and I messaged you because I I'd seen your stuff and and I'm a fan of what you do and I think also message you in a in a month in my life where you have to understand uh there wasn't a single member of my family who hadn't been threatened you know what I mean so with every bit of discourse that did something it added to a situation that I had never spoken about my intention was not to add fuel to your file yeah exactly you know but is this the circumstance of where I was right and um that is nobody's fault but my own clarify that why do you say that dude just in terms of I'm responsible


say that dude just in terms of I'm responsible for my own circumstances right at all times whether uh intentionally or not intentionally I own my circumstances at all times right so ashwam call me a [ __ ] and I sent you a message because I was like I hope and I think you're younger than me like by quite a bit you know I'm like I hope he knows that when you call an Indian person a [ __ ] it's like calling a black person the n-word you know it's like calling somebody a slave it's incredibly uh ignorant and and racist and so I think if you read the tone of the message I sent you I just I never said don't say this about me I just said I hope this never happens to somebody else on your show yeah yeah you know sorry about that as someone who also gets targeted on the internet yeah that it was my intention to throw bullets at you not at all uh but what I will say is I'm an


all uh but what I will say is I'm an artist right and I'm an Indian artist first I've been taught to accept my feedback mouth shut and head down this is my school of living all right however you feel about my content I am yet to critique it I'm here to defend it and I'm yet to apologize for it any piece of content that I ever create that is your honor and I have to sit quietly and I have to listen to you and I have to honor everything that you say this is my job as an artist so were he in front of me or anybody in front of me for any piece of content what I always say is however you feel about my content is valid feedback right um let me see if I can contextualize this I'd say should I listen to your feedback and should I learn from your feedback absolutely at all times do I acknowledge that art is imperfect absolutely at all times um do I feel like artists who are evolving should have the freedom


like artists who are evolving should have the freedom to be imperfect without a system coming down on them or without being threatened absolutely I feel they should I I strongly agree with you right go on do I feel like what happened to me or my wife being threatened or any of these things is right or wrong buddy who cares nobody cares right Let It Go I'm a comic so what's the most important question is it funny is it an interesting story guess what absolutely it is so what becomes my job my job becomes shut up sit down and write jokes about it it's as simple as that for a I have yet to mention my content I've yet to give a news interview about my content I've never been on a news debate I've had every major journalist in the world calling me saying come on the show and you know talk about the nothing sat down dinner party in the morning and I took eight months of my life and I wrote a joke I wrote a


life and I wrote a joke I wrote a show about it and I took that show across the world and it made millions of people laugh now on Netflix so now my narrative is something that began with drama has brought joy to millions of people and that's me taking control of you know my story how do you look back at it I don't man like I'm trying to find my next piece of uh of content like the the one thing I know for a fact is your content can become controversy and you have no control over that controversy should not become your content so my priority was how do I take this turn this around and make people laugh at the end of the day so what did I do I don't know if you've seen the special if you've not seen the special but but the special is really just taking everything that I went through and making an ass of myself because of two Indians yeah so it was like uh I was called a terrorist on the news


like uh I was called a terrorist on the news but how did I explain that to my mom what I mean um it's uh like your friend said somebody called me a slave virdas is a slave but so but that's also means slave no uh but my first name is Veer so apparently I'm a brave Slave at the end of the day um it talks about I understand that I'm an idiot you know so it just takes things and turns it into Joy which is all I really want to do but I I think India like we got to be more secure about who we are man um you're right and you know that begins on a very personal level and not even like a geopolitical level I think that saman and getting respect in our society is a very big deal as compared to the rest of the world very but respect from who we have to respect ourselves it's as simple as that uh and we're working on it right we're working on it you give us time we're a


working on it you give us time we're a young country will fix it this is my point you know I'm not in favor of building the big wall in front of the slum to pretend like it doesn't exist okay I'm in favor of saying it exists and we're gonna get it right you know we're very young man like we've been holding the baby for a very short amount of time and we've made it to superpower the stuff you're saying right now I wish uh honestly we had done the podcast around that time so you could have said the same stuff then but like I said it's it's not my I'm talking about it now because I wrote jokes about it okay you've got time to like just yeah but I'll never buddy I'm uh I'm nobody's victim I'm nobody's hero you know I'm just a comic at the end of the day so I had to do that first before I ever talked about anything a lot of the younger Comics I meet are often in a


the younger Comics I meet are often in a bit of turmoil it's a lot of turmoid probably because they have so many thoughts and they're trying to write down so many things and a lot of the older Comics I mean are super self-actualized they have put you in that same category dude like in a very non-uh romantic way yeah there's no pain in your eyes dude like there is some pain this thought but a lot of people hold pain in their eyes you're you're a relaxed guy at this point in your life perhaps but dude think about the odds of what I get to do and how I get to do it you know I'm a guy from Noida I'm half up half behind I was raised in four different countries growing up I got to go to America and study for college economics which I didn't even use the odds that I get to travel across the world and make people laugh and that people will pay money to see that do you know how astronomically


money to see that do you know how astronomically small the odds are for somebody coming from where I come from so to not treat this like a blessing every single day I'd be a [ __ ] man on my worst day going through and this is not the first controversy I've been through it won't be the last controversy I've been through right but the curse of a comic is going through the worst moment of your life and going there'll be five good minutes after this it's literally that that's the curse of being a comic you know wow once you have make sure your wife is okay once you have made sure your mom is okay once you have made sure your dad is okay and I had to you know uh because they were not and they didn't sign up for a lot of what I went through they didn't come along for this journey of you know and also you don't get to predict when you're going to become a national conversation no you're just putting up another YouTube


national conversation no you're just putting up another YouTube video like you put up lots of YouTube videos uh you got to safeguard them and then you've got to really never feel sorry for yourself and say this is going to be funny someday I've been doing this for like seven and a half years and I've seen the audience change so much too yeah man it's almost become difficult to do corner because I feel the audience has become really smart and I go as far as saying the Hindi audience is becoming smarter than the English audience yeah because the English audience is a little bit arrogant about having grown up in cities and the Hindi audience is just an open sponge to accepting more I I mean I think the most Progressive uh forward-looking discourse in India right now is happening in Hindi and not in English like if you look at any news channel in India right now every single English news channel is screaming Abominations on a daily basis the most patriotic quiet and


on a daily basis the most patriotic quiet and peaceful things and Progressive things are being spoken softly in Hindi you know Hindi is what the discourses Yeah again it's the advantage of the language it can go into so many places no but also it's it's a uh the representation of that part of society and their mindset it's just more authentic to who we are you know uh I think Hindi captures who we are more authentically or like our emotions more authentically as well yeah yeah um I I enjoy I've started enjoying making Hindi content a lot more dude honestly it's much easier yeah it's much more hard you find it easier yeah now okay and I think I've grown up in similar circumstances as you're very English thinking yeah Urban all that and I too I had to go for Hindi tuitions to even begin speaking in Hindi dude I should do a joke about it in in the new special there's a a bit where I talk about I'm I feel like


a bit where I talk about I'm I feel like I'm too Indian for the west but too Western for India yeah I really you know and some people can relate to that right 100 uh but the caveat to that joke is you don't get to choose the first language you speak you don't get to choose the first country you're raised in all you get to choose is what you carry in your heart right I choose India every day whether India chooses me back or not I still choose India and honestly what could be more obsessive than one-sided love foreign but you know you couldn't control that you were taught English first neither could I yeah I was taken to Africa when I was one year old who had control in that but I'll be damned if I ever let anybody measure my indianness man I'm Indian you know where do you see yourself in the next 10 years do you think that far like in terms of are you gonna stay in America I don't stay in America I live in Goa


I don't stay in America I live in Goa and Bombay I told the world so okay I went to 25 countries this year I did 183 shows um I like going to America for about three four months a year because that is where some of the best comics in the world are and I want to bat at a global level I think there's a vacancy for like a global Indian voice you know multiple right in every genre in every District right an authentic Indian voice unfortunately and I spoke about the same thing yeah dude unfortunately we need to go there and become big for a lot of people here to consider us cool no way not not cool but just to like okay there's a club called The Comedy cello in New York it's the best comedy club in the world all right they uh they don't talk to agents they don't talk to managers you can't use any pull to get inside they don't release the lineup it's sold out four shows a day every day of the week the only way


a day every day of the week the only way to get into the comedy seller is to have two Comics who are regulars vouch for you to do an audition so after three Netflix specials and four world tours I went and gave an audition 3 minute coordination at the club and they passed me and I started getting these 15 minute spots first night that I was there Dave Chappelle Chris Rock all right um which is fine it's a great story and all of that stuff but all the other Comics who are 20 years in terrified me they were so good they had so much more experience than I than I had so it's been a while since you know your backstage saying can I follow this guy or can I follow this girl you may not know their names with their assassins or like uh you know I was at the cello and I was doing the 8pm show 8 PM shows five Comics 15 minutes each damn nice cost you eleven dollars um Chris Rock comes in to try his new


dollars um Chris Rock comes in to try his new material okay stock is one of the best comics in the world we could say uh he bumps the entire lineup so I was number three he came in after number two Mega [Music] he does a one hour ten minute show so imagine you spent eleven dollars went to a club on Monday night and you saw Chris Rock's new special um right for an hour the best comic in the world and then he was and I was just hanging out to take school you know see how a great Craftsman does it and the agent the the booker uh the manager of the the seller name is Liz he's like yo go up after him and do five minutes right while they drop the checks for people I'm dying you know I have to follow Chris Rock for five minutes right and I went up there I killed man I did really really well and I thought okay got away with it she made me do it 10 nights in a row wow so for 10


it 10 nights in a row wow so for 10 nights I would watch one of the greatest comics in the world do his stuff die on the inside and then go up and close that's experience you can't buy do you know what I mean so in that sense not to like sell lots of tickets or play arenas for that stuff America is very useful you know to pushes you to grow pushes you to grow you know in India Dutch food God's been very kind wherever we go you know there's lots of people Etc but you can't tell if a joke works or not with 4 000 people or three thousand people you need like 100 people in the basement and then if there's a silence then the crowd will slap you do you get hit on by a lot of women are you sure positive okay I'm positive I I would notice a lot it would be such a rarity that I would notice because I'm gonna have one more lawsuit you want one more yeah sure you I'll continue


you want one more yeah sure you I'll continue talking to you though come on thank you bro dude a lot of bros have a lot of respect for you like I've seen you on these American podcasts as well what is your bro you bro mentality guys have a lot of respect for you I'm myself included but like a bro is like an alpha male or like a girl just a CIS male as they call it okay all right like you know I don't know now if that's a good thing or a bad thing dude I I don't I can't keep up with the Gen z uh whatever the fatalities and the mentalities yeah but uh you have a lot of respect from a lot of bros I have in the first place like a lot like a lot of guys I offends maybe because you're like deeply relatable dude I'm in a weird place man like and I talk about it in the special as well is 43 hmm and in the last year of my life sixty percent of my


the last year of my life sixty percent of my audience is between the age of 18 and 25. so it just changed because of these 10 on 10 videos I did during the pandemic outdoors and it just kind of moved the needle younger so now when I go out there it's just like 20 year olds or 21 year olds I'm like I have acid reflux man like I don't know how to you don't relate to them but what I love about their Generations they can smell [ __ ] a mile away they only value authenticity yeah you know I think the reason you see a lot of like mainstream stardom and Bollywood theme shifting right now is because this generation smells [ __ ] what's happening in Bollywood according to you from whatever you've understood about it I'd love to hear Comics experience I think it's very simple uh earlier on Hiro used to stand on a mountain uh and music used to play and they felt like there was mystery and aspiration in that then social


there was mystery and aspiration in that then social media happened you became the hero you stood in an Instagram reel you put them the this thing on uh the music on and you got to be the hero of your own story as you should it wasn't just limited to these 10 privileged people or these you know 100 chosen people Etc then the pandemic happened and every single Bollywood Stars facade was taken away from them so you suddenly saw all these Bollywood big Bollywood people struggle to be themselves on social media and this generation started to Value authenticity more and more and more and more so now this generation is telling you hey forget all this nonsense can you take my tiny part of India and can you put our story out there you know our perspective our lives that reality I'm interested in and if you're going to give me escapism I want Avengers I want you know bahubali I want RR I want that level of escapism but this nonsense I can do myself


escapism but this nonsense I can do myself every day I think that's basically what it is so we're redefining what it means to have fans is a similar thing happening in Hollywood like this whole Bollywood narrative that we drew out about audience retention and uh non-relatability and all that I don't know man Hollywood every time they say it's finished Tom Cruise you know what I mean why is that the case dude I don't know I I was thinking about him the other day and I'm like uh I think I wrote down like I write questions I'm like do you think if Tom Cruise was six inches taller he'd do all of his own stunts I think because he's a shorter guy there's so much to prove you know short man man short man with a point to prove very dangerous the world has been run by short man with a point to prove Indians yeah there you go uh I remember seeing uh [Music] actually I saw it recently yeah like see that


actually I saw it recently yeah like see that in a in a Patna movie theater you understand what Bollywood is you know it's really something that's something beautiful do you think this is 90s Nostalgia or that's still the case it's possible it's possible okay I'm entitled uh Nostalgia have you met Joe Rogan I've not met Joe Rogan I suspect I will but uh I'm gonna be on the show soon dude we know it I don't know uh but you know I respect man like for that guy for what he does dude I've based a lot of messages but also He's a what I like about what he does is nobody can fake it Beyond a certain amount of time yeah like you put somebody on camera for more than 20 minutes they are going to come through and imagine putting that level of quantity exactly but like the who they are or their fakeness will come through hmm and he gives them two and a half hours irrespective of what they believe what


a half hours irrespective of what they believe what they say etc etc and then the crowd can make up their mind yeah dude and he's got his own set of critics and there's lots of people against Joe Rogan but I don't have more respect for any other person in media anywhere in the world for just the amount of work he's done uh the kind of conversations he's brought of Forefront and kind of what he's taught me on a personal level about conversation dude yeah he's just I think it's a skill to allow people to be themselves in front of you or to enable them or Empower them to be themselves in front of you he does that and yeah look six out of ten things he says you may agree with or you may not agree with but you can't deny that it's an authentic conversation and who else has that man like he he beats CNN as a as a mainstream media Outlet right now that was either a pataka or somebody got shot bro that doesn't


a pataka or somebody got shot bro that doesn't happen but where did we arrive with this like it's it's great to see mainstream media also like struggle to compete with two guys in a microphone isn't that great dude and it's happening in India as well for sure I've worked in a news channel so a lot of my uh stuff also happens because I spent five years working at CNBC in a newsroom but I should do comedy has to do jokes and all of that but I've lived in a newsroom every single day uh none of those people are prepared for what's coming next you know what I mean which is what according to you and I I think what you're saying is in a way a lot of American Trends kind of trickle down to here I don't I don't think so I think before an art form becomes obsolete or reinvents itself it has to go to some sort of an extreme like the the way I think about it is uh Howard's turn


the way I think about it is uh Howard's turn for a very long time radio was like a hey good morning well you know that kind of this thing and then suddenly this guy came and talked about dicks for 10 hours a day right which is a complete swing of the pendulum here but that's what led to podcasting let's be clear it had to swing back into this new thing so I feel like with news channels right now if you look fire Graphics you know it's like this big swing towards something and then something new has to come of it you know independent journalism I don't know if they have the freedom no they have the freedom you know uh you think who doesn't have freedom that's mainstream media they don't have freedom but I think uh the finances or the reach you know I hate saying this because it sounds arrogant yeah all the social media know-how this is a game dude this is a very mathematical game perhaps I certainly don't know how to play it


perhaps I certainly don't know how to play it but I don't know when when something is undeniable it's undeniable like I remember um in the migrants crisis during covid I saw like a mainstream Indian journalist sitting on the road with a laptop and with a tiny microphone talking to people it was undeniable however you feel about it you know uh and at that point I recognize that as journalism um so that too is happening you know and you could I don't know if that qualifies as independent journalism because you know this is a very mainstream phase so I don't know I don't know enough about journalism to know whether this is fascinating because I think like people like to pack themselves in the back you know doctors are very passionate actors are very passionate uh artists are very passionate bro journalisms a journalists are very passionate you you don't get into that profession unless you have just a fire in your belly to do to have your voice heard not to have your


do to have your voice heard not to have your voice out but just to to have discourse or to like you have to have a passion for your nation I believe the journalist what's the trip of that career I don't know man like they they I mean also if you think comedians are unhappy people oh yeah you know journalists you see you see pain in the eyes dude I've been in newsrooms where someone was just reading out the 8pm news and this lady was commanding so much respect dude like good Aura yeah but it was like she had pain in eyes because every day of your working life at 8 pm when your family is eating at home you're saying that this these many people people died these people got uh you know they tumbled down a hill this happened which was bad and unfortunately negative stuff spreads on media fast so therefore news chooses to report negative things which is why this whole Narrative of positive news should be a thing but the honest truth is that positivity doesn't


thing but the honest truth is that positivity doesn't spread as fast no not at all negativity is is this thing but also they give up so much to do this man like I don't think it pays well I'm gonna say it as it is I mean that's the highest level perhaps it does but but also where God takes he gives man like uh nobody knows that better than a comic you know uh if you look at my life I work when you party Hmm this is my whole life so every holiday that you spend with your family every weekend that you recuperate from your work week that's when I go to work you know so in terms of dinners in terms of birthdays in terms of that whole thing I get it you know uh my wife is now luckily at a point where she can big cities in the world and be like okay London but I'm not coming to Arlington Texas right so but I spend you know normally I act half the year and I'll I'll tow half the


half the year and I'll I'll tow half the year but last year I spent eight and a half months in the world right now one way to look at that is uh who gets to say I've seen the world like the world the world I do but I got back after eight and a half months and everybody was different you know I missed out on everybody's ear that I love so there's that too you know so where God takes he does give a little bit so I do get that for journalists well what does God do uh a sense of responsibility to [Music] a higher power that accept that expects goodness expects you to do good things in the world yeah okay it is a sense of responsibility towards kindness I think that's God I do think there's a higher power I do think it created us um I thank it every morning and I reminded of the people in my life that are important to me every night I believe in karma instantly I don't believe in like long-term Karma


instantly I don't believe in like long-term Karma I believe in like every time something goes wrong for me I can think back to did I do something last week you know and that's perhaps just my own self check you know but I do believe that if you tell a lie this week you will lose a project next week I do believe that if you're rude to somebody who's serving you food this week you will fall sick next week I believe that but to me God is what enables me to be kind as you grow older does your belief increase no it's always been there I've been praying every night since I was like 11 years old so it's not a you know in my house we you know we're Hindus so we celebrate every single Hindu festival and then we join our friends and family who celebrate other festivals as well I don't uh so sometimes the image of the god that I see has gone from different God to different God yeah you know so it won't always


to different God yeah you know so it won't always be Hanuman sometimes it'll be a different God Etc so if that in that sense it has changed I pray to Hanuman I pray to Ganesha also pray too you know the one thing I've understood about exactly what you're saying yeah from the monks I speak to on the show yeah is that the gods you see when it changes yeah it changes depending on what you need in life and if you have emotional and cultural understanding of what that deity or that God represents you'll be able to extract even more of what you need from that particular God that you're drawn to at that phase of your life interesting like I've I was taught one thing and I think it's by my family is ask God never ask God for something for you ask God God is there to take your request but uh not for you like it has to be for other people so my morning evening thing is wake up in the morning and I think of everything


wake up in the morning and I think of everything I'm grateful for for 10 minutes and then at night I'll be like Yo God like I say Logan and this one needs this and that one needs that so could you please sort these people out uh that's my own thing I've been canceled a bunch of times as well I believe in God heavily yeah when I'm canceled sometimes I go closer to God in the middle honestly I was addicted to being canceled so I would eat [ __ ] which I knew would get me canceled what so I've heard every kind of discourse about this right and uh I don't know what it is to be canceled like because the American version of it seems like I have a joke about it in this special where I'm like uh it's literally me going uh I was with an American comic the other day and he was like cancer culture is mean Veer uh the other day a mob came after me on Twitter and I was like so that is


me on Twitter and I was like so that is a it has a very I don't know what it is really isn't it just feedback and then meanness yeah I think in India we have so many people that uh even if you're kind of getting criticized it might count as what the West counts as canceled I do this one big joint Family Man and we're all having like one meal no chachaji will not like the bhindi and somebody will like the Bindi and that's just kind of how we have to coexist but as long as it doesn't affect the safety of anybody and you're able to continue to do what you do yeah screw it man I don't know like do you do you read too much into it or does it affect you no it only affects me if my mother sister or girlfriend get affected yeah same same like I gotta again where God takes he gives and so I know that God has taken not just from me from but from the people in my family as well


from but from the people in my family as well taking my presence take an hour life with us so when something that I'm going through affects them it's a tremendous amount of guilt and then there's anger as well you know because as the traditional uh Indian male you're ready to take the bullets on yourself I know but they're not bullets man like I said it's it's part of the course that's that's all I keep telling myself it's not easy I will not I will never try and lionize myself and be like no I don't fall apart or it is not easy at all but I recognize that it's on the way to something yeah it's a part of this yeah job that we've chosen for ourselves dude Fame is going to bring this aspect and also do you you've been famous for seven years eight years nine years now one thing I can tell you that [ __ ] isn't in your control yeah other people will decide when you are famous when you are not


decide when you are famous when you are not famous when you are cool when they want a selfie when they don't want a selfie it'll happen to you six seven different times in your in your life and you won't know why it's happening and you won't know what you did and that [ __ ] you got to surrender like if the I cannot tell you how many people I see wear sunglasses indoors in airports so that they can watch other people watch them that's so true [ __ ] right uh and that [ __ ] is a drug and when those people lose Fame they fall apart yeah I've seen this you know sorry that I didn't mean to like no no no no no because these are friends of both of us I'm pretty sure we both have these friends right yeah yeah yeah I've I've seen people who've quickly risen and quickly Fallen as well look at comics in India the comics comedy scene is so small and then suddenly a comic gets 30 million


so small and then suddenly a comic gets 30 million views and it is the king of the world can't expect that boy or girl to know what to do with that overnight you're supposed to lose yourself in Fame you're supposed to be an [ __ ] for three years do it spot boy Entourage wheatgrass smoothie but then figure out that this [ __ ] is in your way yeah yeah what's in your control just your routines right just your routines but again my job is to say yes to things otherwise my routines won't change don't you hate the comic who's like you know I was in Chandigarh last week and some [ __ ] happened at the gig in Chandigarh I'm like are you doing a gig about another gig the the only Comics I really enjoy being around are tanmay because I know he's a bro yeah uh the older Comics yeah like Papa CJ yourself yeah and again because he's a bro and I don't know too many of the other


bro and I don't know too many of the other guys but I feel there are a lot of them are in turmoil and a lot of them are competing with each other but the job is turmoil right but the job is also a skydiving Child new meal girlfriend wants to do this because it'll give you content it'll give you content him to that list he's one of the most relaxed yeah but you can't be like uh then try writing a joke about your private jet and see what happens to you in a comedy club you know one one last thing because you rarely get a serious conversations like this he told me you did TM dude outside yeah uh I've done TM so I was like staring at you like oh yeah I don't strike you as a meditator no not at all PM is Transcendental Meditation is a meditation that the Beatles did with um yeah um it was too heavy for me dude honestly like TM you had a mantra yes you uh


like TM you had a mantra yes you uh resonated with your Mantra or did it feel like a forced Mantra I resonated with it but it pushed me to a very powerful place it was maybe too much power for that I was 23 dude so I I taught TM uh in workshops and stuff when I was about 2021 to get a scholarship to go to the US uh by the way but uh sometimes you're doing TM and the Mantra will like either the Mantra leads your breath or your breath leads the Mantra let me just give the context to some listeners TM is this very powerful form meditation that uses something called Beach mantras yeah beach in Hindi or Sanskrit means seed so they say that a tiny Mantra sits in your head and becomes a plant and uh it will actually give rise to a lot of changes in your creativity and your mindset Etc uh I've done maybe five six very Advanced types of meditations this one was very powerful yeah and a lot


this one was very powerful yeah and a lot of famous people I think even Oprah Winfrey Tim Ferriss all these folks have like done a lot of DM The Beatles are the most famous ones what it does for you that I like is you know sometimes the Mantra will move to the back of your head and uh the Mantra will align your breath but you'll find yourself having thoughts in the rhythm of the Mantra yeah right so even if it is just uh I should be happy because of this yeah something else Rhythm and then that allows you to pick up on Flow like to me um I I was talking to this guitarist his name is Warren you know he's kind of a virtuous virtuosa guitarist and I was like what do you play you don't play chords and he's like I play colors right so to me stand up is temperatures that's how I think you stand up so it is a hot hot cold sweat freezing uh lukewarm you know that's


sweat freezing uh lukewarm you know that's kind of what my flow is and that's what I try and take you through in a show so to feel flow but still have rhythm I think TM helps with that do you still practice no and then yeah but dude I'm so jet-lagged but it helps your mindset I I can I can feel the Zen Vibe when you do dude this took work you know what I mean like especially this year this took work but uh I don't think something you have to do every day you know another thing with with self-help is it's been like regimized with everybody I've read the first chapter of every self-help book and falling asleep so I just know keep problems exist because it all seems very militant right right now and honestly solving problems is subjective dude just like life true but like for TM I would recommend it to anybody um foreign [ __ ] this was fun thank you man sorry about that video at least in this conversation I proved to


that video at least in this conversation I proved to myself that I can't have a conversation I don't know these Comics how you're hanging out like that I'll happily come back anytime you want to have a concert dude there's so much fun pack with you please watch my special I hope you enjoyed it I think you really enjoyed it no 100 dude I've been following your journey since local low bath good Lord you're one of five people including my mom and my Nani who have seen local robots so yeah uh just great talking to you dude everything I had to say I've already said it I appreciate uh the guy you are dude and I'm glad I got to experience you in person thank you bro I wish you like a hundred times more success which I think you'll get anyway touchwood dutchwood thank you guys that was the conversation for today absolutely love talking to evolved men just like Vedas he's so connected to his emotional side and this is one of


connected to his emotional side and this is one of the joys of podcasting I've been watching his stuff for more than 15 years 20 years and now I get a chance to talk to him for an extended duration of time I get to explore his own mind I get to take the best bits away and I get to grow as a media professional through these conversations so happy I get to share these with you guys thanks for supporting the ranveer I don't have too much to say about this one this particular conversation was close to my heart because he was one of my OG wishes when it came to the guest list and I'm glad we ticked his name off for more episodes just like this make sure you follow us on Spotify every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world make sure you download my meditation app level Superman now to begin your own meditation Journey because trust me just like Veer said it has a role to play in creativity it


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there used to be one retired kernel with handlebar mustache 12 Bar gun in his hand and trying to protect his daughter from everyone around and he would be carrying that gun even inside his house and now that image has to change soldiering is a serious business the storytelling about Soldier has to be done very very seriously we can't say that I am making a movie in the but then commercial compulsions want there should be a dance sequence and they'd come there should be a song sequence in this how can you have a dance and song On the Border my wife has a heard my death news twice once when she was a I think eight months pregnant did declared you dead yes there she saw on the TV she did not want the other Juans or the officers wives to see tomorrow morning her in a shattered condition she held herself together and showed as if it's okay you can imagine the strengths our family's life that is how their sacrificed their contribution in the soldier's life


sacrificed their contribution in the soldier's life must be acknowledged or appreciated and honored I think they are the most powerful women on this planet so we've done a bunch of military podcasts where we spoke about combat operations military life the Special Forces but we've never spoken to someone who holds this kind of a rank in the military who's served in this manner in the military served as the head of the defense intelligence agency what does that even mean and let him explain it over the course of this particular podcast we covered aspects of geopolitics we covered military life obviously but moreover we covered a macro view of the military what it takes to actually operate the military as a whole and we also spoke about how the Indian military the Indian Armed Forces is perceiving the present times I highly recommend that you also check out the Hindi episode we did with tiny sir it's incredible if you understand Hindi you'll be unlocking another portal of knowledge with that particular


be unlocking another portal of knowledge with that particular episode but if you want to unlock portals of knowledge anyway make sure you follow us on Spotify or Spotify exclusive every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world so on the runway show spreading knowledge spreading perspectives it's another powerful Indian Armed Forces episode thank you in general we did an incredible Hindi episode welcome to TRS English thank you how are you sir oh always great okay you had a good time on Hindi yeah yeah absolutely okay so I'm thinking we make this a quick and snappy episode it's primarily self-education here um you know I've had lots of military veterans on the show you are one of our most highly requested military veterans because of your Twitter presence because of your entire military tenure there's a lot of curiosity about you and I highly recommend that audiences especially if you all understand Hindi go check out a Hindi podcast for some incredible uh prequel insights


Hindi podcast for some incredible uh prequel insights but this one's kind of a more present times episode so so did you have fun on the Hindi one yeah enjoyed it tiny sir why do they call you tiny so you're easily six two six three at least six three you're six three and you're an imposing figure like I can tell that you know this is the weight training that's gone into this a lot of it like your bone structure everything is like you know really strong I wouldn't want to face you in combat but we are friends but I have to actually ask you this with your kind of frame and your six three your weight training so you're a white guy and you've got Punjabi genetics so uh is that an advantage in combat or is it a disadvantage because I'm assuming if you're a smaller guy maybe you're able to maneuver more easily but correct me if I'm wrong see ya go another days of physical combat the trench warfare of first world war second


combat the trench warfare of first world war second world war where you are physically assaulting an enemy the Bennett fixed and at times you get into a close quarter of combat these days it happens very rarely in a conflict situation or a combat situation with counter-terrorists during computerized operation where the terrorists running out and you weapon has dropped or somewhere you got hold of him and you don't want the collateral damage so in that type of a situation maybe there is a you know better otherwise there's officers hmm the your height your weight and the things that don't matter what matters it is a your thinking facilities your leadership qualities how you can assess the situation how you can plan your next move and how you can lead your men with well or courage and bravery yeah that is what matters and in that the physical appearance has got no place okay um back when you were very actively a combat Soldier and I'm assuming that at a certain age um maybe the Army doesn't


at a certain age um maybe the Army doesn't allow you in combat it probably works just like a sport because physical faculties start withering off at a certain age but back when you were like actively involved in combat with any hand-to-hand combat situations that you were to go through not uh individually okay not in digitally but there were instances especially in the built up areas during counter-terrorist or counter Insurgent operations where Insurgent terrorist was trying to escape the codon and the boy had caught him but he didn't want to fire because the fire at that situation can go into a neighboring house and you know enjoy a innocent civilian so at that time the minimum use of force is the norm in such situations very direct question again I always feel bringing up the topic of movies about the military with actual military vets uh which side are you on are you okay with military movies or do you think that it's not a correct depiction which I'm sure it's not in many ways but


which I'm sure it's not in many ways but does that anger you or like I mean just generally what's your opinion on Military communication expressing yourself showcasing what you are doing keeping the security as confidentiality has been mine I'm all for it our operations especially encounter terrorist encounter Insurgency areas are so transparent we need to tell our stories why we need to tell the public National and international this is how we conduct our oppression so there is a very false narratives being made by the the enemies of the state or people who are not funded to India we need to counter that narrative with actions truth prevails transparency prevails no narrative building will have any ground to stand on if other party is telling the truth and transparently so how are those enemies building the United States through social media there's a whole lot of Machinery into it okay social media is one part of it diplomatic efforts are the political efforts are there and all other types of engineering of Mind of various people so


other types of engineering of Mind of various people so but when you tell a story suppose I have to make a so some sort of a serial on Indian Army's operations in Kashmir I must do thorough research starting for what type of recruitments the uniform they wear if a person is 20 years of age or 25 years he has to be a captain maximum major no he can't be a left angel so it has to align to the reality the reality then it becomes unfortunately I don't want to say it but I have to say it Indian Cinema there are such work in the defense related movies although it has come of age Lord has changed but there's still a lot to be desired yeah and I hear this as a general narrative from the Indian military yes because it's not that uh I am from the Army if you are say whatever you're doing if your profession is projected and their lacunas in that image you would feel bad and then the image being projected is not correct yeah I'll give


image being projected is not correct yeah I'll give you a small example uh in 70s and 80s the Hindi movies which came there used to be one retired kernel with handlebar mustache 12 board gun in his hand and trying to protect his daughter from everyone around and he would be carrying that gun even inside his house I just told on some other program this and now that image has to change yeah it's a soldiering it's a serious business hmm the storytelling about Soldier has to be done very very seriously we can't say that I am making a movie in the but then commercial compulsions want there should be a dance sequence and they'd come there should be a song sequence in this how can you have a dance and song On the Border what's your favorite war movie that you've ever seen a lot of them okay a lot of them and at the intellectual level there's a very little known movie in India at least so International the movie is called Breaker Morant okay it's about a boy war


called Breaker Morant okay it's about a boy war in South Africa okay and it's about a Australian officer was working with a British officer and it's more of a a court martial movie why intellectual level why I'm saying it's not that physical violence is not there there is a little bit of it and it's not that the armies are fighting it's a very specific incident has happened and then that officer is put through our court martial so 70 of the movies of Court martial and pros and cons and trying to question the ethos and ethics and you know why is there different butts of it so it's a very intense movie from that point of view I like that movie and from a more action perspective any any movie that you've had got it right in terms of real Combat scenarios or real army scenarios a lot of good movies uh where eagles there the Saving Private Ryan and even the world war movies and all I think most of them are very good movies Saving Private Ryan


most of them are very good movies Saving Private Ryan is a very intense movie it's a very intense movie and yeah and let me tell you a lot of young boys and girls might feel soldiering is all about firing and killing Noah Soldier is a very very human person he's a very emotional person because children get emotional when they cannot meet the targets at the end of the quarter or a month for him the targets are how many deaths he has avoided how many soldiers or buddies he has saved how many enemies of the nation he has eliminated yeah his quantification is different now look at that some people can't see your blood see blood in the on the TV screen yeah he's seeing it day in and day out his emotional strength has to be understood he is staying away from his family his wife is managing the household the children the upbringing looking after the old parents looking after the property all by herself in the village yeah he being aware of all these issues still giving


yeah he being aware of all these issues still giving his 200 percent on the front this man his contribution has to be acknowledged understood and appreciated um you know maybe for deeper context on what you just spoke about I actually want to highlight Saving Private Ryan's beginning you know where they've shown D-Day I believe um do you remember that scene the way they've shot it for those who don't know about D-Day basically it was one very important event in the history of World War II it was towards the end of World War II where American soldiers uh the Allied soldiers actually invaded uh a French Beach where they had to take on German soldiers were on the beach so the beginning of Saving Private Ryan is a very intense scene where they've shown what happens when you're actually in a scenario like that and it's one of those movies that it puts you at the edge of your seat right from the beginning and it's difficult to watch the beginning is extremely difficult because of the


watch the beginning is extremely difficult because of the way they've shot it they show guts falling out uh they show people screaming people with like their hands blown out um that's what I want to highlight here as well so when you're talking about this seeing blood day in Day Out the intensity that they've shown in the D-Day scene is that more common than most civilians think see uh Second World War was a very very you can say bloody war a lot of young boys because their conscription the young boys as young as 15 16 17 were also taken to the Battlefront and the casualties because it was a contact Warfare the physical contact and there were men dying yeah their civilians dying so the intensity of that war was different in terms of physical human losses and injury and injuries and the impact on the psych whereas what we are discussing today is like Indian army has fought 71 War 65 War via fought on Cargill and then counter terrorist counter here things are different


and then counter terrorist counter here things are different and then of course little bit of actuation the intensity was highlighted also but for a given individual when his buddy gets hit then that hand blowing off for the intestines coming out can happen to anyone in the combat zone have you been close to death at any point my wife has a heard my death news twice once when she was a thick uh eight months pregnant did declared you dead yes there she saw on the TV my death news and uh not declared me that there was some misunderstanding I have written a book which is coming out now in that this aspect the emotional aspect which you talked about now that the topic has come up is given out very very detailed in good detail like a soldier is doing his duty they are just now saying the wife holds the family together the wife the father the mother the children their sacrifice goes unnoticed like in my case both the times I written in great detail about this in my book


I written in great detail about this in my book but both the times I was not present when my children are born both the times are not present when they join the college both The Times They are not present when they join the professional College both the times are not present when they did their 10th or their 12th and she managed all by herself in addition these news of husband being dead One news got clarified after 12 hours why but what was the logic see what first time it happened second time my wife was pregnant about eight months pregnant uh when this news came and she saw it on the TV that the first time this happened May just went so killed in low lab that is the yeah I was posted in North Kashmir major my name KJ Singh of rashtriya rifles and she the whole night she could not sleep but she also felt she was staying with her parents her parents were old that tomorrow morning they should not get the news first she had to prepare them and


get the news first she had to prepare them and then when the newspaper came newspaper had the same news she hid the newspaper for my parents did not cry did not show our emotions and kept it to herself and she was pregnant now this is the strength of the second time I was a commanding officer again two children one was just about two years old three years old and one was about eight nine years old she again got the news on the night again Singh In jnk killed and she again the whole night she could not sleep and here something very important happened now she is a commanding officer's wife she did not want the other Juans or the officers wives to see tomorrow morning her in a shattered condition she held herself together and showed as if it's okay you can imagine the strengths our families have yeah that is how they are they are sacrificed their contribution in the soldier's life must be acknowledged appreciated and honored I think they are


acknowledged appreciated and honored I think they are the most powerful women on this planet so I think one of the phases most associated with your tenure is your time in Kashmir and um even if someone reads your Wikipedia page it's very evident that you worked a lot towards peace you actually encouraged the mothers of the insurgents to convince them to not be insurgents and um I think that's a very Noble way of kind of putting the right message across and trying to do things in the right way but I also want to ask you a very brutal question here which is that civilians who's sitting in Mumbai Delhi Etc what do they not understand about the reality of Kashmir you've had six tenures I believe so six in Kashmir seven in Jammu and Kashmir totally 10 News encounter Terrace counter incidence areas beginning in 1990 up till as recently as 2020. okay what has changed in Kashmir and what do civilians not understand about


Kashmir and what do civilians not understand about the reality because civilians will turn to One News Channel and they'll say something another news channel will say the complete opposite traditional news media has lost its reputation because of these things we're not getting into the details of why they sway in either direction but I want to know from a soldier what's the reality on ground say Kashmir or Jammu and Kashmir issue without going into much of a history I'll just stick to the terrorist terrorism point of view Pakistan wanted Kashmir to be destabilized to be unhappy and Pakistan wanted something to keep projecting the Kashmir card so that people don't ask them the questions about their domestic failures made me political maybe economic and may be military or whatever development which have now become very pronounced in Pakistan's on Beckett they are an economic mess they have so much of political issues and all those things so one thing which binds them together is Kashmir so they wanted Kashmir to keep burning so