things like so there's one God called deaf God um this is called uh chandi keshwara I don't know if you have heard of this in it used to be there in the North Indian temples too and unfortunately all these things are gone now but if you go to Tamil Nadu you'll find a god called chandi kesa in in one of the shrines and this will be the last deity you see before you get out of the temple and everybody will do this to this God because he cannot hear you so that's why he's called the deaf God so everybody will kind of clap at him or do this sometimes so as a child used to wonder why or there are so many gods and why are they all designed this way um some of them definitely have a spiritual aspect to them I mean it should not be a coincidence um what do you mean there are the gods are classified into different ways there are the gods are classified into different levels right some people argue that


are classified into different levels right some people argue that oh the sun god the Surya right some people argue as though you guys worship son as a god they almost think that ancient Hindus did not understand that sun is a huge ball of fire in fact we knew all of that right so who are the two wives of the thought I do know okay assuming it's the Moon the Moon is also a man so actually yeah yeah there's also a man so it'd be like Chaya and Sandhya right so but again these are just personifications you know one of them denotes you know the sunset and the other one denotes The Shadow so we understood perfectly what each thing means and they sometimes they put all these factors as Gods so they took all these aspects of Nature and they put them as Gods so they did a very advanced uh they created a very Advanced system that's hard to explain for example the chandi kesa right where everybody went and they tapped their hands like this it turns


and they tapped their hands like this it turns out that he's not a deaf God right if you go to uh even the priest in the in a temple he'll say oh he's a Dev God you always have to do this before you leave the temple but I found in one of the inscriptions that chandi kesa was the treasurer of the Temple he's a deity who's in charge of all the properties of the temple so when they start building the Temple and you can bring a lot of stuff right you can bring a lot of property and you can have all these tools and stuff he's basically the security guard that's going to check you if you left everything in the temple and you're not taking away the Temple's property and that's why the ritual that look I'm not taking anything right from the temple started so after 500 years this this just kind of modified and evolved into saying that oh no he's just a deaf God who's this God he's just a deaf guy


who's this God he's just a deaf guy probably the true wisdom gets lost a little bit like Chinese Whispers yes over time yes so I can't imagine what uh the truth was twenty thousand thirty thousand a hundred thousand years ago because I've come to believe because of this podcast that our civilization is a lot longer than we're told even in history books um and that's always think about this one as the reader things about yoga satyog it couldn't have been just a few thousand years ago it had to have been a long time back I listened a lot to Graham Hancock I don't know if you're familiar with yes who talks about how we think we're the most advanced civilization because we have technology and cameras and science who's to say that there weren't more advanced civilizations earlier that got wiped out because of yeah apocalyptic events younger driest and all that uh do you have any opinion on this so if you look at you know standard accounts from history or


you look at you know standard accounts from history or archeology two thousand years ago Indians were basically just tribes with sticks and stones beating fighting with sticks and stones okay so that is the standard account that we read in history you mean the international standard account written by imperialists weekends that is true right but what do you read right this is not I'm not saying that this is what we read in the U.S about India or this is not peace this is not we read in Britain about India what do you read about India in your own history how did we exist 2018 Indus Valley Civilization that's what's written but what about before that let's say 2 500 years ago if you actually start to read more and more history books it basically goes into a kind of the Stone Age right people actually believe that all the civilization only started after the mughals and then the Europeans this is the gist of the history you mean uh Indians or Internet of course in India or India as well in India


of course in India or India as well in India as well if you actually open the history book most of us know like who's the first Mughal king of India you probably know the answer but if I ask you who's the first Chola King you probably would not know the answer to that you probably know one Chola King they may be rajaraja Chola or or rajendra Chola those are the told us that everybody okay because we are not taught that right and this is very tricky right because it's very very hard to uh fathom because we have a traditional view of History you have a traditional view of history that you don't even know about right so let me ask you we evolved I hope you would think that we evolved right we would have built a small Temple first and then a larger Temple later and then a even bigger Temple later right that's how we evolved right that's what you think and this is what we see in history books and other mainstream books right what is the


history books and other mainstream books right what is the tallest building today in the world okay good what was the tallest building 20 years ago World Trade Center is an Empire State Building yeah something like that right CN Tower in Canada right yeah yeah something like that what about 100 years ago what is the tallest tower 100 years ago what is that maybe like the Eiffel Tower exactly correct that's really good yeah yeah it's really actually it's pretty accurate I'm shocked that you know that much of History that's really good so what are we actually seeing is that the newest building cannot also be the oldest or the tallest or the most like the biggest building right because we evolve people had the Eiffel Tower 100 years ago they go there they study the Eiffel Tower then they make it better then they build a taller better structure they build CN Tower right but then people from Dubai go to CN Tower they study that structure and then they build Burj Khalifa 20 years from now we know it is not


20 years from now we know it is not going to be Burj Khalifa right because its evolution of technique right we keep on improving now what is the largest cave Temple structure in India no idea it is ajanta caves okay now what is the oldest cave Temple structure in India is it somewhere in madhya Pradesh that is also ajanta k now what is the largest ancient Dam in India this is called color night it's a huge structure it's still there now what is the oldest Dam in India that is also coloring that's two thousand years old so the concept of evolution actually does not apply because look I mean in all fairness people in the last 2000 years they would have gone to ajanta caves say wow this is really big now let me make it bigger that's what humans should have done but why didn't they do it right they they look at a dam that is 2 000 years old right and say wow this dam is really big right they change the the flow


dam is really big right they change the the flow of a river two thousand years ago okay but why didn't they say now let me make a bigger Dam now same thing with kailasa temple they take a huge hill and they convert it into one Temple this is 1 300 years ago but what were humans doing in the last 1 300 years ago nobody said I can make a better Temple right so the concept of evolution actually does not apply to the timeline does it and and this is the biggest problem I think when when the British came and they studied all these structures they were shocked because these structures are completely kind of out of the world right they don't follow a pattern they're not able to find an evolution pattern right it's almost like suddenly a giant woke up and they built insane structures and they're gone like we don't know how they did it like we don't we cannot learn from them you know and this is a shocker that we find in history books is it because of


that we find in history books is it because of the invasions that the construction stopped we don't know why these things are much before The Invasion for example ajanta caves is more than two thousand years ago right The Invasion only started maybe a thousand years ago maybe arrogance kitten we don't know how so this is the part where it gets really tricky so when I say oh you know was this temple built with like alien technology people are always confused by that people are always thinking like what does he mean alien technology you know like or aliens dropping out of UFO and building these structures what I'm saying is if it's human there should be a pattern of improvement that we are able to see right there should be a pattern of like there should be a slope where say you build a small Temple here then you build a big Temple there but we don't see that we don't see that at all think about let's say human's voltage in the caves right humans bolt and we will


in the caves right humans bolt and we will get into this right human human a lot of humans started to take like Hammers and chisels and say I'm gonna make ajanta caves there should be a model that existed before that um there is no model like there's no uh precursor which is just kind of smaller there is no precursor that is even close to agenda case and there's no there's no structure after that yeah there is no successor after that right that is better than agenda but it it should not exist okay and and this is the problem when when people keep saying that what do you mean like they did not do it with chisels and hammers so how do you think right how do you think the temples were made there's two answers I have one's from The Logical side of my brain ones from the emotional side the emotional side says aliens came and used lasers The Logical side says that maybe it was built over like a very long time span where it was like maybe a


very long time span where it was like maybe a king of that region who said okay my next five or ten Generations will keep building this yes well that that is a good that is a good way to answer that question right so still what kind of techniques would they use to build a temple right so let's say they build the entire kailasa temple with chisels and hammers right these are all the basic tools right there's a chisel that has a pointed end there's a hammer that people Hammer into this and then maybe pickaxe you know the small tools that they have but if you go to temples in Karnataka okay there are temples like hoisole Surah Temple there are temples like Chennai keshava Temple and these temples have pillars that are completely made using late machines archaeologists acceptance right you'll have to explain that word I get what you're saying because of engineering College I'll explain it for uh the listeners what is that okay so we see pillars that are made with


that okay so we see pillars that are made with late machines so when we look at let's say this mic the holder of this mic you cannot make the holder the circle with a chisel and a hammer that's impossible you cannot make a perfect circle with a chisel and Hammer that's impossible to do you need a rotating machine to make such a pillar in in engineering College we have a sub record Workshop I can see you smiling uh Workshop is where they teach you kind of how to begin using a lathe machine which is one of the most basic engineering machines in the world probably yeah right now it's it's the most rudimentary the most basic late machine if you really want to know that we've used for thousands of years is uh a wheel to create pots right so we have a wheel and then you put some clay on top of this and if you keep rotating the wheel the pot will start to really come into position depending on how you use your hand now this is a late machine


you use your hand now this is a late machine like something that gives you an accurate geometric shape yes a rotating mechanism that is capable of giving you a perfect cylinder or a circular shape that's a late machine now archaeologists confirm that yes these pillars are made using lathe technology okay we can see the turn marks when you make a pot you will see lines in that pot okay because they're constantly rotating yeah so you can see these marks in those pillars and experts they're embarrassed to admit this right because they don't want to admit this but they admit it yes we don't know how but they use late machines to make these pillars we're not talking about one pillar okay we're talking about hundreds thousands of pillows and these pillars will weigh like 20 tons so the lathe machine must have been maybe like 300 400 meters long bro which is a huge lathe machine yes and of course you know you if you really want to counter it saying that oh we


you really want to counter it saying that oh we can make a late machine with like 100 horses or something like okay you can you can do that if but why and this is a mechanical engineer speaker but then you're going yeah but but why right why why bother and we're not talking about just one or two pillars okay all the pillars in that area are all made using late technology okay and then so we know that they were not only using chisels and hammers they were using other machines and then you find like a stone scar right so there's a huge water polica it's a door keeper okay and it's dark it's like pitch black you have to take a flashlight and then you have to go and you have to examine it it's really cool when you do this and I got millions of views when I first demonstrated that because it's dark nobody goes to these places right so this dwara palika has a crown on his head what is the meaning of the word means


his head what is the meaning of the word means a door keeper okay so if you go to a temple there will be a main deity and dwara means door and palakam is just the keeper right so you'll have two door Keepers on on either side okay the doorkeepers are usually fancy but nobody pays attention to them and in this Temple it's very dark you when I went in there the doorkeeper is really fancy and he has a crown okay and his crown is studded with skulls each skull is only about this why in this tall okay about one inch diameter okay and the skull has like an open mouth and and two eye you know eye sockets and two ears so what I did was I took a small needle or like a twig right a thread if you will and I put it in his ear and it came out I could put it I could make it come out of his eye I could make it come out of his ear I could make it come out of his mouth so


I could make it come out of his mouth so I I was I started to play with this right so I started to I would put it in his mouth and then it would come out the ear now what does this mean this means that that stone skull that's only about one inch wide it's completely Hollow and this is made of stone so how do you make that with chisels and hammers how is it possible right so archaeologists and historians are wrong in saying that these temples were built with primitive tools now the general idea that you will have is that they did it for a long period of time right they they were just using Brute Force but they were using some kind of advanced technology to achieve that Advanced Machinery of course they were they were using Advanced machines so we know that they were using laid machines that's a fact we don't know what kind of late machine it was we don't know what kind it is and more importantly we don't know why I didn't get used again later


don't know why I didn't get used again later yes yeah there's no continuity to that there's some technology that pops up and then after like maybe 100 years that technology is gone you know this right ramapa temple in Telangana um it just got UNESCO world heritage status it's announced as a world heritage site which is a big honor for that Temple uh when I went and I was researching that Temple this is in a small uh Village uh in Telangana most people didn't know that Temple at that time um so when I went and I was researching the temple the temple is made of bricks okay and the temple looks great when you enter the temple the tower is huge the temple looks perfect okay so when we took a break from the temple it's it was unusually light it was just really it was not as heavy as a bridge should be so when we put it in water we realized it floats okay this is not a natural rock some rocks naturally float like


not a natural rock some rocks naturally float like pumice okay you know there are rocks that are really porous but this is not a natural rock okay this is a brick made but when you put it in water it floats today we use the same technology we use a technology called AAC or uh autoclaved aerated concrete I think it's unusually light because they take some concrete and they inject foam and other lightweight material into the bread and again these blocks will also float in water okay now but why did they do that why did they have to create these lightweight blocks in like 800 900 years ago why did Indians do that right if you go into the temple you are in for a surprise because there are lots of pillars and beams there like they have fallen down because there was a massive earthquake that happened in that area but you will not even realize that this place had an earthquake when you see it from the outside you can still see some damage inside but from the outside


can still see some damage inside but from the outside there's no damage and believe it or not today Japanese use the same technology to build their buildings they always get earthquakes and they use those lightweight stone blocks it's kind of like a early warm earthquake proof technology exactly exactly and they were doing earthquake proofing 800 900 years ago and we know that all the structures okay all the buildings and everything except that temple in that area were completely gone they were all completely wiped out because of the earthquake only the temple remained because the ancient Builders knew okay this is an earthquake prone area where they probably predicted right that there's going to be an earthquake here and we want to make a temple that will withstand that so there's no reason to claim that ancient Builders were just taking chisels and hammers going like oh okay I'll just build a temple that's not how they did it is this your motivation to go to all these temples like you want to see deeper Technologies


these temples like you want to see deeper Technologies like the engineer news also a part of this it is a part of this what really happens is that what really started to happen when I was in the U.S and I used to come here and I visited Elora caves and I visited konark Sun Temple and stuff like that I immediately recognized a pattern where this does not match our history this makes no sense it should not exist right the kailasa temple should not exist or rather why aren't such Advanced Technologies spoken about in our history books yes that's see it's a very it's hard to believe this but you will believe this if you start studying this deeper and deeper you will actually think that there is a calculated plan right so it's done with a purpose this kind of misinformation you know is kind of delivered to us so we won't understand the true nature of History itself yep um okay to explain what you just said I'm going to bring in a recent learning that I


I'm going to bring in a recent learning that I had I was in Australia and one of my intentions of visiting Australia was learning more about the First Nations people or the Aboriginal people there who have a lot of remorse towards the settlers okay which is basically Europeans who came in like settled in Australia because when the Europeans came they classified the local people as flora and fauna colonizers were allowed to hunt the local people my God now that's the start of it there was a lot of Deceit a lot of lies because which they kind of erased a lot of their culture including their temples there was something called the separation of the children or something like that the great separation where they took kids separated them from the parents so that the kids end up losing the culture and Australia was a massive landmass full of lots of different tribes much bigger number than we're told by the international reports on it but all that was lost that cultures lost so now it's reduced to fewer


cultures lost so now it's reduced to fewer tribes lots of lost culture lots of local Aboriginal people who don't know much about their culture and parallelly um a lot of them are dealing with alcohol abuse drug abuse now which is kind of injected in to their um Life by the colonizers and this is like 200 300 years ago when it was myself and two of my teammates uh we exchanged notes with all the Aboriginal people that listen in India all this other stuff happened and then when you actually put it together you realize that they had it way worse than Indians probably because we had much larger numbers our population was bigger we had the fighters all that like the maratha Empire the Sikh Empire May the British found it difficult to completely capture the country but uh here's what happened we all know that they kind of leaked a country of money etc etc the Kohinoor Diamond situation all that what people don't understand and by people I mean our parents is Generation


understand and by people I mean our parents is Generation our grandparents generation their parents probably they were very deeply distanced from the real history of our country what happened the Aboriginal people in terms of the separation where kids were separated from families for us our hearts were separated from our culture through our history books maybe wrong history has taught to us um in Africa when colonizers left they drew straight borders and all the separate tribes into two countries oh why why should a country have straight borders that doesn't make any geographical sense uh their version of kind of messing up the country before they left from here is one the India Pakistan divide to divide like the massive population to cause Strife uh economic uh policies uh keeping puppet leaders in charge which I've learned through like geopolitical experts on the show and most importantly changing our education system making it a little messed up and a lot of us are victims of it whether rote learning mentality wrong history um difficulties in even changing the


mentality wrong history um difficulties in even changing the education system all that was left for us to deal with over like 50 60 years and we're now past that 75 year mark so this is when people are realizing it through content through what you said at the start of the episode that content releases real information on the internet but the older you get as a human being the more your brain kind of freezes and this is neuroscience so a lot of people who studied that false history and Falls narrative the entire life struggle to come to terms with the reality of their own country now and you can't even blame them because that's how the brain operates uh I just hope that you know what you're trying to do what so many of the guests you had on the podcasts are trying to well this podcast is trying to do as well it kind of begins that change in actual Indian narratives what's your search for now after seeing so many temples this is not the end of the podcast


temples this is not the end of the podcast we're going to talk a lot more but what's next for you in terms of I'm sure this is a subject and this is your subject I feel every human has their one subject your subject is like temples what's next in your quest there's no set Quest right so the human mind is kind of a strange thing because if you want to see God eventually you will because the human mind kind of um you're if you want to see the devil or if you want to see anything right so if you want to see like Tom and Jerry you can your mind starts to to find it so the main part of my research is to like keep it completely open right I'm not limited to temples of India I'm not even limited to temples of like southeast Asia or Hindu temples or something like that I'm actually um traveling around the world really with an open mind to see what's there and this is how it started right so it started with uh going


how it started right so it started with uh going to Peru going to uh Colombia uh going to Cambodia going to Mexico and finding what's out there because if you go there with a predisposition like if you say oh I'm going to find this then you will find this right but you also have a tendency to misinterpret information bias yes yes that information so you're not going to have this is very common in India right so people have already picked their sides right about what they want and it actually prevents us from understanding the reality as it is and this is a huge problem when we um when we put out information yeah this is I'm sure you're labeled as right-wing because of the nature of your work oh sure I didn't even know how it started I'm I'm labeled as like writing because I like learning about these subjects but I've just realized no matter what you do on the internet you're going to be put into a box so might as well just continue and enjoy your work but I


as well just continue and enjoy your work but I mean it's uh there are the internet is a weird place right people get to talk anything about so I'm not bothered but I'm not I don't care about that and and it keeps um in my videos they keep switching it because sometimes I'll make a video I think three or four videos ago I made a video like did Christianity begin in India or something like that suddenly now I'm flooded with messages saying like oh my God how much did Christians pay you so that'll also happen to me because a lot of times I'll see I'm only here to show you what I found and how I interpret that information right sometimes it may confirm your confirmation bias sometimes it may be against that I shouldn't be worried about that you know I should I should be able to tell you whatever I feel like telling you and see I started out in the U.S and I have showed many ancient sites in the US by the way multiple maybe 20 different


in the US by the way multiple maybe 20 different sites and a few sites in Peru of do you feel parallels with Indian sites of course of course many many parallels but uh Hindu sites and that's why I came back to India I did not actually plan on coming back to India but when I started to look at ancient sites I started to realize oh my God there's just so much similarity between Hindus and let's see Peruvian civilization or Incas two ends of the world yes like I think if you dig a hole through India probably land up somewhere in South America yes that's how far they are yes and then you can but you can see that they are in many ways very similar right they worship if you go to Peru the popular gods they worship nagas I have a crazy Theory and this is just a pure fan fiction Theory this is there's no truth behind this I would like to believe that some of the dinosaurs survived and then eventually evolved to become nagas


and then eventually evolved to become nagas yeah I mean but it's a very deep Fanboy Theory yeah this is just I'm just throwing it out there what if you never know because my question is you know they say that uh if you actually study dinosaurs in general uh there was different periods like critic issues Jurassic etc etc uh we think that all those time periods are very close to themselves and then human beings happened like way later but if you actually put the timeline in front of you you are nearer to the last dinosaur period than the last dinosaur period was to the one before it oh so it's just relatively like closer why did that's still 65 million years ago why didn't they evolve to become something over such a long time and or did they hey this is just Theory I'm I'm kind of throwing out a question this is a very good question thought experiment this idea that there are some strange findings that that that you will think it's interesting I've I've put


that you will think it's interesting I've I've put them online I put them on YouTube if you go to um top prom temple in Cambodia this is an ancient Hindu site okay it's a Brahma Temple okay temple built for Brahma but they call it top prom now it says in Cambodia what does that mean it's just a local way of saying Brahma okay okay um you will actually find a dinosaur carved in the temple it looks exactly like a specific dinosaur called Stegosaurus okay and they're supposed to be a Stegosaurus in Democratic Republic of Congo as well like that's there's been sightings which are still existing yeah oh really it's come up on the show oh again it's a theory and the local pygmies they believe that it's the I had lots of people on the show with opposing opinions some very strong positive one some strong negative ones but go answer but this is really interesting right because look if ancient Indians or in this case ancient Hindus in


Indians or in this case ancient Hindus in Cambodia or this Temple maybe a thousand years ago 2000 years ago but dinosaurs according to most exports became extinct 65 million years ago so how did the sculptors part of the stegosaurus accurately in that Temple right so this this is there and then you can find many strange carvings very similar to dinosaurs in mahabalipur you can find extinct species I I put this on Praveen Moon Channel periodically I will keep on putting it like every year I'll find a species of dinosaur or some extinct animal we for example in Angkor Wat you can find an elephant with uh four tasks okay and and that species became extinct maybe like 100 000 years ago we've they've found skeletons and then fossils of the four tasks elephant it was the ancestor of the mammoth yeah possibly yes but it became extinct long time ago how did the sculptors carve that right if the temples are look I mean you don't know what species


are look I mean you don't know what species existed one lakh years ago you don't know that right how can you if I ask you to paint something how will you paint a species that existed hundred thousand years ago unless you know you had records like how we have you know paleontology and all these Department Records today so how do they do that so we do find carvings of extinct species in many ancient sites okay and then all culture have had dragons let's do it but you know this all cultures have had Dragons Not only in in many people only think oh it's Chinese or something like if you go to many of the ancient Hindu temples you will see carvings of dragons and like you have to wonder are they dragons or are they actually like dinosaurs I think before you open up this topic I'd love for you to give the Hindu narrative on what nagas are slash were uh based on whatever you know about it or whatever you've learned over your journey okay


it or whatever you've learned over your journey okay now my perspective of nagar okay it's uh it can be quite different and it has other meanings as well we all know naga's most Hindus know nagas it's the word we use for snake Okay but how are nagas mentioned right they were not snakes they were not humans as well right they were a completely different species that looked like humanoids right that they looked human but they could also shapeshift oh really yes they could change into whatever they wanted to be and they never lived on the ground they always lived in Subterranean levels meaning they only lived underground sometimes this is why you know the nagas belong in the Potala Loca you know this right don't you and also when uh Bheem was uh I mean when the car was tried killing Bheem in the Mahabharata they throw them in a lake and at the bottom of the lake he finds a world of the nagas who actually help him survive I mean


the nagas who actually help him survive I mean that's the story yes but go on yes we if you go to mahabalipuram you can actually see nagas changing their shape from snakes to humans you can see them like kind of coming out of the Underground Level and then like becoming Almost Human right and all the other people are just like looking at the transformation you can see carvings like so in modern terms right now those are reptilians right they're an alien species that are able to change color change shape they can look like human if they wanted to and they live in a different dimension they they kind of lived underground or something okay if you're into that okay if YouTube is not going to ban your video then YouTube banned your video for doing this well YouTube banned many of my videos right YouTube band uh demonetized banned deleted thumbnails on what basis I saw a recent video viewers where I think you got into trouble for showing a sculpture and YouTube banned it because they said


a sculpture and YouTube banned it because they said nudity or something like that was a part of it I have a long history of videos getting banned demonetized by YouTube um my kudub minor video was demonetized my Taj Mahal video was demonetized any content that challenges the mainstream narrative right gets demon this is always happen I mean I even made a made videos about this two years ago saying that YouTube is constantly doing this uh now YouTube has come up with a completely different idea and this is really fascinating to me because YouTube says oh there's nudity in your content and I'm just showing a temple okay I never see most of the videos I never show like actually I don't even show my face and if it's a 10 minute video you only see my face for a minute okay for the rest of the nine minutes you only see carving okay so I'm I'm very focused on that because my face is so sexy okay go on go on so but what what


sexy okay go on go on so but what what YouTube is actually saying is that the Hindu gods must be covered up we our gods are going to look like this they're going to be half naked or full naked because apparently that's how we dressed before the invasions yes look I mean who who's saying this to who right and they think it's cool to have nude beaches and they're telling Indians about fashion and all the stuff we used to be really quote unquote liberal we would really Carefree back then that's how my gods are going to look our gods are going to they don't bother like we didn't have to cover up because somebody's going to come and steal us or something like that we were a free culture okay our Gods if they don't want to wear clothes they can not work we lived in a free Society back then okay and that's how the gods were going to look in ancient temples we're not we're gonna change it right and


we're not we're gonna change it right and and YouTube has also said no this is too violent right because what narasimha is is killing a demon like how are you going to change that I so YouTube is actually putting on conditions saying that oh this is nudity and this is not only for female carvings and not only limited to Hinduism there is a giant carving of uh bahubali he's a Jain God in shravana balagola do you know this there is a temple in Karnataka this is a Jain Temple by the way and this has a huge monolithic statue of a male you know profit if you will his name is bahubali and of course he's naked right of course he's a monk he has detached himself from the whole world do you think he's going to be completely covered up or something like that he's naked and that video got bad saying that oh this is nudity so what is YouTube saying about that right or ancient Indian temples


YouTube saying about that right or ancient Indian temples adults only sites or something like that so should we take our kids two temples or should we be like oh like my God I shouldn't take my kids to the temples because it's like it's full of like nude carvings or something like that that's impossible right the temples give you insane amount of knowledge right so but but then there is also a racist angle to this okay but I don't know if you should put this on your channel by the way okay that's all right but whatever I touch I I everything turns becomes banned yeah so that could I seriously don't know if you will put it but YouTube has a racist angle to that game right for example you YouTube has videos of Museum in Athens right that shows all the Greek gods and Greek goddesses they're all completely nude YouTube doesn't ban them YouTube doesn't demonetize them but why ban only Hindu carving why ban only Indian carvings now we have to


why ban only Indian carvings now we have to be extremely careful with this okay because why did they make a video about this I don't normally make videos man I don't like drama to be honest with you I don't make Drama videos like nobody knows who I am like what I do or where I live I don't like that stuff I only focus on Ancient sites but why am I making a video like that right because YouTube is modifying the behavior of thousands of YouTubers who cover Hindu temples you understand so YouTube demonetizes my video saying that oh this is nudity it's not only demandizing me it's gonna demonetize Ramesh or Suresh who's also covering Hindu temples it'll send out this information to like let's say 10 000 YouTubers most of the YouTubers will not even reply back they will only think of it as a punishment and say look this is a problem if we film Hindu temples YouTube was going to ban me so now


temples YouTube was going to ban me so now let me go film a mall now let me go film a beach right so it's consciously programming people away from the Hindu temples you understand so this is what I'm trying to uh raise awareness about is that it should not exist you know the Hindu temples should not be banned or demonetized you know yep I hear you um I have to bring you back to the nagas though like because yeah we trailed off and I loved the trail off but uh uh then naga's thing caught my attention so you explained what nagas are I gave my fan fiction theory about how maybe they've evolved from dinosaurs you never know yes uh my question is about what you saw abroad you said that Peru had a version of the nagas what's up it's a little bit of a strange Theory but but nagas are actually found every okay you can go to the US and you can see a Great Serpent Mound in Ohio this is a


a Great Serpent Mound in Ohio this is a giant snake that you can only see from the air and um if you go to Peru these are called amaru which basically is a Sanskrit word Amar means an immortal God right right in Sanskrit if you go to Colombia you can see the nagas guarding you can if you go to Colombia there's a place called Saint Augustine and then you can see a lingam guarded by a Naga like a shivling yes yes I have been reading a lot about shivlings lately and what I figured is that that construction this is yogic philosophy supposed to be able to capture a lot of energy what does that mean for the ones who are meant to understand they'll understand other ones are not meant to understand so what do you mean by energy bro what is this vague to now go on yeah so you have this Naga culture of course you can see this in Mayans uh you can see this in South America then you can um


can see this in South America then you can um in Israel nagas are called yeah now those are called nakash basically the same terminology and uh you know this right snakes are called serpents in the Bible they're called serpents and Jews called it saraf and Hindus call it Serpa this is still the word we use in South we call it sarpong meaning Naga so it's not just that we all worshiped the nagas but it's even the names are similar nagas are called nakash and serpas are called serpents or sarafs in all over the world so it if you look at the entire world and if you look at all the ancient civilizations they will tell you one story it's a common story very very similar common story okay but humans the very first rulers came from nagas as in the first rulers over human beings were actually nagas if you go to Cambodia for example the very first ruler is a Naga ruler is not completely human right and the nagas they come


not completely human right and the nagas they come from somewhere and they take over the planet and they start building civilization so they were the original ancestors right of humans in a way they they come from somewhere it's a very hard uh thing to explain I could explain it to you in a in it yeah yeah I could explain it to you in a way that let's say a race of reptilians right they go to a planet and they and they find a bunch of cavemen there right so they so they land on this planet now what will the cavemen think these are Gods exactly so what we actually see from various accounts is basically that the original queens and kings of almost any civilization or Naga Kings okay and they and they have these weird places for example in Cambodia they have this in South India and Tamil Nadu they have at the top of the mountain they have a place called okay and of course archaeological explanation is different they say they are dolmens there


explanation is different they say they are dolmens there you have seen the dalmuds there's a small little Stone huts up the top of a hill we can see this everywhere okay these are called cooler caves in Tamil Nadu there's a place called uh baliampara in Tamil Nadu there's a place called in Karnataka and it takes you maybe like two hours uh to go up a mountain okay it's nobody goes there even the villagers unless you pay them good money they won't take you there because the mountains have uh bears right so they won't take you there but if you go there you'll see Stone huts archaeologists will say no no you know people lived there like 3 000 years ago right these are Stone Age people who live there and these Huts you cannot even go into these Huts by the way like it's very hard for you to crouch into these Huts either way but if you ask the villagers they'll tell you one story and one story only that there


tell you one story and one story only that there were beings that came from the sky and these beings were very short and they came from the sky and they started to civilize human beings the human beings were initially afraid of them okay but they taught all the construction technology all the you know the how to make fire for example they taught all their stuff like we don't know what they were doing and then after a particular point of time like maybe after building all the Fantastic structures they're just gone so they did so they just vanish now it's very hard right and you can see me getting local accounts right so I will go to these places I will have my camera and I will because people always say oh no praying mine is just he's just making up stories so I'll actually have it on camera saying that okay tell me what you think right and they will tell us oh look no no this is what archaeologists are saying humans were building these stone hearts on the top of the hill


building these stone hearts on the top of the hill we cannot do this today how how do we carry up that nobody goes there even today okay and the villagers completely dismissed you know mainstream Theory but they would say there's a completely different species or rays that live there and we used to be afraid of them they could call us they could you know select people but we were not allowed to go up the mountain right and you can see the same story everywhere and now if you walk on that on the top of the mountain okay between the mountain and underneath there are Villages you know at the bottom and between the two there is a temple usually there is a temple and in that Temple there are nagas and the locals still go to those temples and they worship them by all accounts those species which are like this the weird you know alien species if you will those are the Naga right so 20 years ago maybe we thought this is all just mythology but now we are


this is all just mythology but now we are able to understand this really well I think because you know because Elon Musk is going trying to go to Mars or you know very soon right within 50 years we're going to go to a different planet even if there's a civilization that's a thousand years older than us they'll probably be technologically way more advanced there's a thousand years is a long time yeah keeping technology in mind yes yeah absolutely look I mean you don't have to go a thousand years ago you know like maybe 400 years ago uh when Christopher Columbus uh uh went to the U.S right but I mean back then it was not the U.S when Christopher Columbus went to you know the Americas the local tribes actually thought he was a god they had never seen a ship just 400 200 years ago right I don't know exactly maybe like 400 years ago people thought he was a god they had never seen a ship that big they actually thought oh this God does not have any skin


actually thought oh this God does not have any skin because he's so white they thought that this is a different species and when they saw that they they could pull a trigger and they could kill a person far away they started to worship the guns they thought that it was some magical weapon that can fire by itself so you don't need a lot of Gap right so even if we are a little bit advanced look I mean this is the thing right if aliens have enough knowledge and if they have enough technology to come and land on Earth then there would be no competition um between humans and Aliens there would be no competition right I mean think about that right um people are always mocking saying that oh um if aliens are visiting us why are they not appearing before us or why are they not talking to us do we talk to chimpanzees do we talk to the Dolphins do we you know do we talk to Lions we don't we only talk to people who will agree with us so


only talk to people who will agree with us so that it satisfies our egos no but you you actually dismiss those animals right you're not going to have a meaningful conversation because look what I meant to say is a lot of people are going to be listening to this conversation completely closed because I feel this is where the power of curiosity is really challenged I love it because these are questions I've had since I was a little kid and I can speak for a lot of the listeners as well there's a whole bunch of Skeptics so just completely shut down to this idea but who knew that 20 years ago we'll have devices in our pockets which are cameras calculators yes Etc everything you never know what's uh in the Realms of possibility look it's I mean I mean kind of weird to think that there's no life outside Earth no and you know what I'll tell you what else I feel there's two people who have a right to talk about these things first archaeologists who like


to talk about these things first archaeologists who like dedicate their entire life to um discovering the past and there's a lot of schools of thoughts in archeology uh there's somewhat extremely evidence-based there's some kind of question things the way we do and then there's gram Hancock type of people who are trying to discover what the rest of the world shuns the second kind of people who have the right to speak about history are people like yourself who are putting their physical bodies and the intellect into places in order to discover lost history because history in truth is completely fragmented we only know pieces of it and lots of it is lost and that's the reason our history books teach us um history that's not really needed to be taught honestly I mean if you want to look at it that way I don't know if that I think I may take that sentence back I think all history is fantastic even the stuff that you disagree with now but my point is there's a lot of more interesting


but my point is there's a lot of more interesting stuff that's hidden within India and as someone who's going to all that interesting stuff you have the right to say things here and you're an engineer so you're from a science background I'm sure you throw in science in within all the experiences you have I want to hear more about this whole alien situation that you've seen all over the world we were talking about the nagas right so and the point that I was making was that what nagas are if you will right they're not snakes right that's clear they're also not human but there are completely different species or a rays all ancient civilizations mentioned they mentioned them as the the very first queen or King of their civilization many people argue that because if you go to nagaland it probably confirm your theory we descended from the nagas if you go to Sri Lanka they maintain that they descended from the nagas um most people don't know this most people think that Cambodia Cambodia has a lot


most people think that Cambodia Cambodia has a lot of Hindu temples you know this yeah somebody has uncle what a lot of Hindu temples are there when do you think Hindus have entered Cambodia probably two thousand three thousand years ago that's the point is many people think it's and that's a good good how you're supposed to while if you talk to normal people people think you know it went from India to Cambodia maybe a thousand years right but that's not true because the very first king and queen mentioned the very first ruler of Cambodia is called soma that's a Hindu name right this is not a man this is a woman and the woman descends from the nagas okay and she marries a human called countinia and we can of course dismiss this as a pure mythology right oh a Naga you know like starting a civilization in Cambodia right but if you go to a place called ankur bore nobody goes to this place this is like two hours away from the capital


place this is like two hours away from the capital of uh Cambodia nobody goes there it's completely in Ruins it's kind of a rough dark place but you can see ruins that are 2 000 years old some are even saying that it's like three thousand four thousand years old okay and we can see evidences of Hinduism and you'll see nagas all over the place as though the nagas found it that Empire and we can see this everywhere we can see this in remote parts of India we can see it in huge temples and I have a theory about this right so this is a very interesting theory that I that I I'd like to think about so let's say you have a photo album right of the last 50 years right this this album let's say let's say I have it let's say I have a photo album of all my family members right so this is I'm not there 50 years ago obviously so I won't be in some of the pictures so how do you find out


some of the pictures so how do you find out who's the oldest person in the family by the looks what else would you would you would you use just from the photos just from the photos how would you find out who is the oldest if you had 100 pictures how would you find out who was the oldest thing who's the oldest person in the in the family maybe carbon date all the photographs and then see which no the person right so who was let's say there are like a couple of grandmas and grandpas blah blah so the oldest person should appear in all the pictures right that's the way to find out who's the oldest because I won't be there like 50 years ago all right and maybe some other person may not be there because he's born after that time but the person who is in all the pictures must be the oldest um right this is this is this should be common sense this is how we find out oh who's the who's the oldest employee in your organization he's the person


the oldest employee in your organization he's the person who's in all the pictures right because in some pictures the new employees are not there blah blah blah right this is the scenario with the Naga you can find nagas in all the temples you may not find other gods you may not find for example karthikeya you may not find Ganesha but the nagas or by Design they are there in every Temple not only in temples but no matter where you go the nagas are carved in their ancient structures why aren't uh historians thinking more about this like why has this come up on a podcast you know why isn't it there in the mainstream because it's borderline fantasy stuff right nobody nobody unless you have a crazy guy like me coming out and saying nagas may have created the world's civilization it's a ridiculous thought process right there there was a guy called David Ike have you heard of him there was a guy called David Ike and there's he's still there by the


David Ike and there's he's still there by the way and he's the one who said There are reptilians controlling humans now you know what people did people made him into a laughing stock of of this time actually and now he's banned from from YouTube and Facebook and everyone right but when you put forth a radical thought process and I'm merely entertaining that right I I would like to think that too if some in some temples Shiva is not there some temple in Vishnu is not there Ganesha is not there but if all the temples and all the ancient sites nagas are there then nagas or the oldest gods around the world also after speaking the archaeologists have learned that when you look at carvings in temples they're always messages for future Generations uh and everything erodes other than Stone oh yeah Stone erodes the slowest yes you want a message to go really far ahead in terms of time you put it in a temple or you put it in a monument this


temple or you put it in a monument this is a brilliant point that that the archaeologists made right each and every carving a sculptor made a thousand years ago would have been like his own child right he's not going to make something random right so it's very hard for humans to understand this why they carved all these things in Stones right why they carved these things in temples so let me ask you like what is a temple I used to say it's a place of worship now I say it's some sort of a time capsule wow that's an interesting perspective today when we think about temples right let's say some locals are building a temple their discussion is funny they're thinking like oh how many people in this area worship Shiva how many people in this area of worship Vishnu maybe you should put like a Krishna statue because that's what people worship right so they've almost having a business meeting about how to build a temple right and they put an idol there


a temple right and they put an idol there in the center and they'll put a huge donation box you know in a very prominent place right this is a hundi we all know this and then they'll see how they can make events so it runs as a business right this is what happens today but when you enter an ancient Temple or when you start seriously analyzing an ancient Temple you get a completely different perspective right you your first impression when you start to analyze a temple is that you start to look at at the bottom you see animals okay not just like a row of Elephants or like a row of lions or something like no like you'll see a baby elephant drinking milk from its mom that's weird right you've never seen that I I don't even know actually elephants do that baby elephants drink milk from their moms but why would that be carved in a temple right where you're supposed to worship God right it turns out that they had a completely


right it turns out that they had a completely different system and they had a different thought process when they built temples it turns out that a temple can be split into multiple levels from the bottom to the top at the bottom you will always see animals okay why let's say you're taking a five-year-old child this child is like this small right he's walking around he can only see this level right what is he naturally interested in what is this child naturally going to look at if you give him a TV right what is he going to want he's going to be naturally interested in animals this was the Animal Planet or Discovery Channel back in the day and they're putting this in stone and some of them are hilarious like Cartoon Network like you'll see a goat wow um you'll see a monkey riding a goat like a man riding a horse monkeys do that monkeys ride on goats that's what monkeys do and they put that in a stone thousand years ago and if you're a child that's all


years ago and if you're a child that's all you're gonna see you're gonna have the best time you know ever in an ancient Temple right but if you're between six and ten they have a different level for that you're going to be naturally interested in music you're going to be interested in dance you're going to you're going to see carvings of people playing musical instruments you're going to see all the carvings of that and if you're between 11 and 15 you're going to see a lot of Science and Technology you're going to see there's a sundial in konard Temple where you can put a finger and you can tell the time accurately down to one minute okay that's more than 800 years old and it is in that level it's between 11 to 15 and you can still go there you can put a finger there and you can say oh now it's like 233 um okay so you're going to find Science and Technology between that level and between 16 and 20 as you grow right you're


and between 16 and 20 as you grow right you're going to see carvings of War Administration politics you will see people like wrestling you'll see people taking flags and you'll see people fighting you'll see all the stuff in that level and from 21 to 25 you're going to see a lot of erotica you're going to see a lot of love making there are various carvings and people don't understand that right why are temples having this blah blah blah no it's part of your life this is the time when you're naturally interested in that you know in that field normalizing sex yeah this is normal right everybody does it why shouldn't we talk about this right and that's how free you know the ancient Indian Society was they put a lot of erotica they in many places they show what is right and what is wrong people don't understand that people it's not only just about erotica okay they show how women give birth they show how women give birth and they did it standing really yeah people and


birth and they did it standing really yeah people and you know 100 years ago Europeans saw this game curve and they were saying that oh my God you know these Indian women gave birth standing right why didn't they even have a bat today this is the recommended practice because they advise women to give birth while standing because gravity does have to work okay and then you don't you don't need you know all the the vacuum pull outs and all that stuff it's beneficial for both the mom and the baby if you give birth while standing and it's not only just giving birth like that after giving birth and this carving is again in konark you will see women standing like like putting their legs wide and standing under Fire okay there would be like a small little fire and they'll be standing on top of it and many people did not know this like what is this carving what is this showing but when we traveled in odisha we saw a tribe called bonda and these people actually do this every time they


bonda and these people actually do this every time they they give birth to a child this is the way of disinfecting they put certain plants and herbs and they kind of you know they they burn it and they let that smoke go in to disinfect and cauterize you know this is the thing and they have documented all this stuff in stone so a temple is not just a place of worship right so they've divided them like if you're in a zero to five this is what you see if you're five to ten this is what you see and if you're 20 to 25 you see and only above that level you see gods so the temple was never built as a place of like just worship it was built as a Wikipedia in stone or like a town Museum in stone and why did they do it in stone exactly what that person was telling you because if you write it in a leaf if you put it in a painting that can be easily destroyed the temples are still


that can be easily destroyed the temples are still standing most of the temples like you can see all the cuts and destruction in the carvings you know people try to destroy the temples but the ancestors knew that even after destruction the structures would stand Praveen Mohan this is not the end of the conversation but it is the end of this first episode go to a second one with you because I think the conversation has just warmed up a little bit uh this one was centered around nagas I have so many more questions about your international travels uh to sum up the first episode what would you like to say to the listeners especially those that are coming across you for the first time everybody subscribe to Praveen feel it really no I think what I I would tell the viewers no matter who you are you know from where you're watching you can read history but take it with a grain of salt just open your eyes a little bit more and just think about things a little bit deeper you


and just think about things a little bit deeper you don't have to take my word for this but don't take a history book in like as at face value just use critical thinking you don't have to believe everything I say but use critical thinking how did such temples come into effect without advanced technology there are serious holes in history and Archeology books and it's up to us to you know make them right that's what I want them all to know my message is that especially if you're young if you're in college or if you're a fresh college grad be open to the wonders of history and the wonders of the world because we're not the most advanced civilization and there's definitely been more advanced civilizations than us that's the one thing I've learned through all these archeology podcasts there was batteries found in the pyramids uh the temples have signs and symbols that have very deep philosophy and it's very likely that we weren't even the most evolved beings that have seen this planet so


most evolved beings that have seen this planet so Praveen Mohan thank you for episode one thank you for having me see you in five minutes okay okay see you guys that was our episode for today the second part is as strong as the first part lots of people criticize humans like Praveen Mohan like Graham Hancock curious people who are trying to uncover Real History which is now lost the truth is that we don't know what we don't know about history and you need human Minds like this you need willpower like this to go and uncover the Hidden Truths that would actually help us forward Modern Day science as well I promise you the second episode is just as good if not better for more episodes just like this make sure you follow us on Spotify every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world and if you're looking forward to the next episode what I do recommend before letting you go is that you check out a highlights Channel TRS Clips or you


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you can be a YouTuber you can be an actor you can be uh you know an interior designer you can be whatever else you want to be you can be a chemical engineer if you want to be in your spare time so I mean you can be all these things all at once and I find that's the most freeing thing I find about social media I've grown and I hope and pray to God that I've grown wouldn't I wouldn't want to be the same as I was when I was 16 years old I think differently uh I behave differently I liked myself at 16 but I love myself at 48. I love my life and you know I've worked very hard to come to where I am today be honest organic conversation with Kajol on the ranvi show not going to talk too much about this one in the intro enjoy it for yourselves this is how a true podcast should be free-flowing conversations lots of humor lots of deep questions as well for more episodes like


lots of deep questions as well for more episodes like this make sure you follow us on Spotify every episode of the renby issue is available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world because we're a Spotify exclusive kajol's new film salaam wenki is out in theaters on the 9th of December but for now enjoy this conversation of the ranveer show [Music] thank you summer camp summer camp what's up I'm good thank you how are you doing you're dressed for summer camp Batista I may not be dressed for summer camp but you definitely are it's like a nice childhood dream come true uh I used to always want to be one of those kids in that song okay I'm being trained at that me too me too I never went to the summer camp but thank God for Karen's imagination really what's up what's up with you how are you I'm good actually I'm here for my film salaam benki and I'm here to push it promote it and to make


here to push it promote it and to make sure that everybody around your audience at least hears about it and uh finds out about it okay from what I understand you're not too familiar with the digital space not really no not not the YouTube space definitely so yes I have done I'm very very familiar with interviews uh I'm very very familiar with the question answer method but this is not an interview and there's not a question answer method okay so you're not going to you're going to tell me to basically you're going to tell me to just feel it and tell me not to be a method actor yeah um there's no acting I think the audience is because of YouTube and because of jio reaching like in the Interiors of the country I've gotten really smart I'm not making that up let's just access to a lot of information I'm sure you feel like yes yes definitely yes I speak he learned most especially after uh kovid you know instant gratification as they say yeah I


you know instant gratification as they say yeah I think social media has brought a lot of negatives into like Civilization but it's also got positives for people who say 10 years back weren't privileged enough like they didn't have access to information sorry privileged and I feel that it's opened up a whole host of new job opportunities as well it's an entire new banquet of things that you can do and I I think the one thing that I love about social media is the fact that now you're not confined to being just one thing you can be a YouTuber you can be an actor you can be uh you know an interior designer you can be whatever else you want to be you can be a chemical engineer if you want to be in your spare time so I mean you can be all these things all at once and I find that's the one the that's the most freeing thing I find about social media why do you not use social media as much than as a consumer because uh I


media as much than as a consumer because uh I feel that social media needs to be fun it is a tool for us to be used and I would like to use it as much as possible but if I use it too much it would be a job for me and I don't like to work 24 7. I'm lazy what's up in life like what what what's a day in the life of Kajol like now what's the what's my life like actually quite peaceful I love to read I love to crochet I love to knit I love to spend time with myself I love to work out so yeah when I make it so when I say this it actually fills up my day I like to spend time with my kids my kids are super cool and a very I like them I really really enjoy them they're funny they're sarcastic they're snarky um yeah they make me laugh they keep me entertained and so yeah I have a really really good life that I have worked very hard to build


good life that I have worked very hard to build I had a very interesting conversation with your husband about your kids yeah yeah he never said these things are better he said another version of this is not an adult version of this you all are so different like it it makes me think a lot about things like long-term relationships and marriage when I see you and now that I've seen like you in person are really different people even this week too we are do you feel that yes of course and uh I think we'd be we wouldn't be half as interesting to to each other if we were too much alike I mean what do you get to say after like 20 years to each other if you're going to be so much I think like you you're right we'll be communicating in Sign Language by the end of it is like very analytical like that I can tell like very deep thinking isn't all yeah yeah and I think uh I wouldn't know about deep thinking but yes we do think about things other than just


but yes we do think about things other than just what we see and what is practical enough what does that mean [Laughter] just like sometimes when you see a situation you're looking at it and you're like talking obviously I mean just take your house for instance I wouldn't see just I'd be like okay this is a very well decorated house thank you so much for that I'm assuming you're saying that to me this is a podcast right yeah right yes so I'm saying okay it's a very well decorated house but I also feel that because you're a YouTuber you have paid attention to certain parts of your house to make it more uh instagramable to make it more um cinematically appealing or uh so it's done very well I have to say that it's really beautifully done and uh it's very very pretty thank you pretty is maybe not the right but yeah it's pretty aesthetic aesthetic do you meditate at all I do okay I do I make it a point to meditate we


I do I make it a point to meditate we meditate a lot like you know in this room okay uh which is why we send people out and all that like this is the art space and I feel if you meditate in a particular space A lot changes the energy of the room as well I feel meditation is about you I feel it's not about where you are I can meditate in a car like I'm quite okay with that I meditate while I'm sleeping also sometimes if I wake up in the morning sometimes it depends on where I it doesn't depend on where I am so much as where I am in my head so okay that's me how long have you been meditating you know like somebody gave me a very interesting thing about meditation told me a very interesting thing like it's like you know when you read about meditation uh you know meditation is you have to take out everything you know you have to you have to release all your thoughts so there are lots of definitions about meditation


thoughts so there are lots of definitions about meditation but for me I think the best definition that I have found of meditation is to be very very present in the moment so and uh this is this is a book this is a line that I read in a book to say that everything in your life should be a meditation whether you are uh whatever you are doing whether you're exercising whether you're eating food whether you're sitting and watching a film if you are completely and supremely present in that moment that is a meditation so don't think that you have to like find a space and sit in that space I mean no offense all good not in a not so bad we meant in that way but that for me is meditation so when I work out for an hour and I'm listening to my music and it's just me in the gym with myself and I'm working out that for me is meditation I hear you yeah and I agree 90 uh I'll tell you what I figured just through the


I'll tell you what I figured just through the show okay so we have a lot of monks who come on the show and I always ask them about these same questions because this is exactly what I believe mindfulness like when you're mindful in a conversation or working out uh that is meditation and it is meditative okay and then there's a process of dhyan which is like a whole yes it's a mental exercise it's basically everyone overthinks everyone has all sorts of thoughts when you sit in one place even these monks they have thoughts that run and when you pull your thoughts back to the point of focus of the meditation that's dhyan and that's the actual meditation so have you heard someone called BK Shivani she's a real really a good Community she's a spiritual leader incredible communicator and we had her on the show and I asked about about this same topic in terms of is this meditation is that meditation what's meditation she said that uh this is dhyan but if you live


said that uh this is dhyan but if you live your life meditatively like if you're in the moment if you're completely present in whatever you do uh you'll notice that your dhyan actually gets much deeper and much easier it gets much more lubricated that process and I felt that like lately and that's what I'm trying to do in every moment like when I'm eating I'm just trying to eat when I'm watching YouTube I'm just trying to watch YouTube yeah when I'm speaking to kajal I'm just gonna speak to kajal that's not difficult to do is it no is it difficult no no you're very easy to talk to I love your husband fan of your husband but he wasn't easy to podcast with your too easy to podcast like I said talking is not a problem with me um no yeah I feel you have a lot to say as well that's that's the issue with podcasting lots of times we have some people who don't have much to say but I feel


people who don't have much to say but I feel you have like a lot of thoughts about a lot of things which is cool which is cool I do spend a lot of time thinking about a lot of things so yeah does the world of films uh kind of force you to become really Street Smart because that's been my reading of it lately because so many people I mean there's so many variables and throughout that Journey once you once you actually start getting Fame into your life maybe so many people come to grab that Fame away from you I don't know whether it's street smart or not I feel in fact today is day and time is very different from if you had to get street smart at one point you know like when I started I feel you had to get a certain amount of Street smarts there why and there was there was no time or space for navette I would say to be naive because uh because there was nobody in between you and the 300 people that you worked with there was


and the 300 people that you worked with there was no manager there was no um there was no vanity van there was no social media there was no uh there were no uh how do I put this there are so many intermediaries now that by the time you get to the real muddah of it you are already sorted you already have like you have a manager you have a vanity van you have your clear set boundaries there were no boundaries at that time so whoever you had to meet if you had to do a film if you had to accept a film if you had to hear a script if you were sorry I'm interrupting you right now but I have to explain it like you said when when and why did this happen so where and why it's just the way the world worked at that time really uh if you wanted to do a film you had to go out and meet these people it could not be a phone conversation it was not that you met somebody uh you know can I get your man


met somebody uh you know can I get your man it was not can I get your manager's number it was more like oh I Met Your Mother there and uh you know I've met your mother and Mom my mother is telling me about oh you know you going to meet my friend over there so you better be on your best behavior so it was it it was a different world it was a different time um it was and even if I was not part of the film industry in that sense if I was not um even if it was not my mother it was still about meeting people at events or if I met somebody there or if it if I was doing well and uh you know I met somebody at uh this thing is it was that it was a direct access so you had to be you had to have your your you know you had to be Street Smart at that time I wouldn't say street smart but you had to know what to say when to say how to read the room uh how to work


say how to read the room uh how to work it to your favor now I feel it's like you have accountant to be a manager be a PR person director associate director I want to say okay so there are so many people willing to say that he can this is the right way to go about it or this is the right way or this is how everybody is doing it why don't you try it like this so you don't really have that much of course the reason for individuality dying out I think is half the reason because we have so many people saying the same thing also to go down the same route you know and uh to have your hair done a certain way to have the same lipstick color and to do the same kind of films Etc do you think that's why people say that the age of superstars is now behind us I think it has to do with social media I think it has to do with social media and like you said it comes with its pros and cons today if


said it comes with its pros and cons today if we have the freedom to be whoever we want to be we have the price for that is your stardom and your mystery earlier you if you wanted to watch a movie you had to go to the theater to watch a film or you had to wait for it to come on TV a video tape so slowly but surely now it's it's a question of picking up the phone that's right next to you you don't even have to stretch your hand foreign [Music] [Music] of course completely like you say so like I said if we have the pros and cons you have you have you know you have the ability and I think it's a blessing I think it's a blessing in today's day and time that we have that we can as actors have the freedom to have a longer life we do have a longer life today than we did earlier you mean because of otd content not only because of Ott it's a question of


not only because of Ott it's a question of longevity okay it's longevity as a career span as they put it because your careers have become longer and uh your earning power is become more because your careers have become longer all that put together so yes it is a boon for us but at the same time you know the the sad stardom as they say is yes very limited now okay uh very unrelated thing I have to say no I have to answer small questions okay fine small question okay I'm being very like straight up with you here I think you're very radiant like you know even when like you walk around like there's a Radiance like around you wow thank you that's very sweet how how because I don't spend time with that many people I don't I like to work uh not that much and I like spending time with myself I feel like you know there's a lovely line that somebody told me that um you know you have to uh fill up your own bucket like


you have to uh fill up your own bucket like take care of yourself no it's not a take care of yourself it's you know you have a bucket either it's a pain bucket or Twitter it's happiness bucket so you have to fill up your own bucket with whatever you want to if it's pain if you're going to fill it up with pain and if you're going to fill it up with anguish and suffering and whatever you're gonna overflow that out into the world and people are gonna feel that around you and when you fill up your bucket with all the good stuff the good stuff just comes out I think that's really the theory behind um Radiance what's in your bucket my bucket is filled with a lot of stuff my bucket is filled with a little bit of a little bit of everything really it's it's got sadness it's got truth it's got anger it's got compassion it's got kindness It's got love it's got light it's got uh it's got a little bit of everything really


got uh it's got a little bit of everything really there's no sadness that people pick up from you because I I feel that that's something that's also a part of me of course if I can make you cry on screen aren't you picking up on my sadness um but in person like right now I don't I don't feel that like I feel I feel you're like really strong and radiant I am strong and radiant but I am strong and radiant because I can cry okay I am strong and radiant because I I can feel that and I can feel it completely and I can let it go also completely is there something in your life that still at this one because after everything you've accomplished and I feel you're like pretty self-actualized as well do you have any like thing in your life that's a source of little sadness of course I think every he does don't they everybody does and if we don't wouldn't we be at some point either I would have gained Nirvana and I'd


either I would have gained Nirvana and I'd be sitting under a tree and not having this conversation with you or I'd be like um I would be a very very different person I would be a very different person so yeah I have um you know of course you have you have sadness you have anger you face all of it you have doubts you have fears you have uh you know all of that and all of that is very much who I am today I am very much I'm looking at each and everything very clearly I'm only asking you this from a perspective of learning uh but these things [Laughter] but uh are you are you comfortable sharing any aspect of that sadness like what could possibly be said in your life and I'll tell you why because lots of people look at your life from the outside thinking that everything's perfect I aim for it to be I aim for it to be but yes there are times that things that sadden me fights that I've had and uh you know memories lots


that I've had and uh you know memories lots of memories and uh like sad memories yes of course of course um you know my life has not been uh my life has been a life my life has been very much a full and and a very very complete life but yes I believe in my privacy and I don't think that everybody needs to know everything I feel that heart he cares I feel if you're looking at me you're looking at me as a person as an icon as a personality as my childhood crush stop it was my childhood also so shut up so yeah I feel that uh yeah I've grown and I hope and pray to God that I've grown wouldn't I wouldn't want to be the same as I was when I was 16 years old I think differently uh I behave differently I I have uh very very like I I liked myself at 16 but I love myself at 48. I love who I've become today I love my life and you know I've worked


today I love my life and you know I've worked very hard to come to where I am today so yeah it it shows through like I think when you have this much to say it comes from a place of having seen a lot when you go through that definitely definitely and I think as an actor also somewhere down the line I think as actors we are somewhere like I tell everybody I said pictures and you have to make you have to make a fool out of yourself and you have to bear yourself and be so emotionally vulnerable in front of a lot of people and do it again and again and again without understand without that I think that is a huge learning process [Music] till now what's your experience of this podcast been like long are you getting bored not so far oh okay okay fine now because we've warmed up now I'm gonna be transparent with you this was all window dressing no this is not real I want to tell you this podcast it was not real this was us


you this podcast it was not real this was us breaking the ice okay uh yeah I had to break the ice on this one some people I don't have to some people I do and I had to break the ice with you why why do I have to break the ice I would no ask yourself that question you would have to break the ice you tell me I don't know did you not get a good vibe from me did you not get a good vibe from me why are you asking me that question don't you meditate wow okay I actually think it was easier talking to Ajay sir no I'm kidding I'm kidding I'm kidding it's easier it's easier talking to you uh he's a really hard-working guy that's what I picked up from that conversation oh my God he really loves his work he's at it 24 7. you know when you do a podcast when you talk to someone for like even an hour there's a lot of energy exchange I was left with thoughts about my


of energy exchange I was left with thoughts about my own like hard work like okay yeah don't worry he gives this life to everybody don't worry lifelong problems why why why so much hustle like ah I don't know he was on the show why didn't you ask him he didn't open up so what's up who did this to you yeah you think okay he's made it it's done and when you talk to him I think in his head he's not made it still like and he's going for it like it's day one yes definitely he does believe that he believes that every day is a new day and I have to work as hard if not three times as harder harder than I did yesterday and uh and of course you're you're forgetting the one biggest thing about him is that he's doing something that he loves he absolutely loves what he's doing and when he's directing a film and making a film and making everything come to life that is his passion in life and


come to life that is his passion in life and uh and when you find your passion then everything kind of just fades in the background and hard work does not seem like hard work does it is that anybody doesn't call it play I sometimes ask him I'm like you know so did you have fun today I was like these look certainly very confused for 10 seconds and he's like it was a good day I'm like foreign [Laughter] that level of work in this industry um I don't know honestly because I'm lucky to have uh to think like I do I'm lucky to be where I am today uh yes I have worked also very very hard to be where I am but my life has there are lots of things that I think are really really important like I believe my time and my space are sacred to me I believe that my time for myself is sacred for me um I believe that I believe that like if I work I need to take that time out to spend


work I need to take that time out to spend that much time with me I believe it has to be 50 50. I don't believe that it has to be 75 25 which is what probably the rest of the world is telling you that must happen so no I don't believe in that theory and I have not believed in that theory or been after that theory for a very long time who were you that time I was uh I was I was the Kajol that I was at that time and today I'm I am definitely a different person today yes the basic principles remain the same because I was brought up with an absolutely fabulous mother um who taught me that quality over quantity at every point in time who taught me lots of things that uh were tools for when I grew up as an adult and which I still thank her she called me up this morning in fact and I was telling her I was telling her this morning itself that you know I can never thank you


itself that you know I can never thank you enough for being brave enough to not only preach but also practice what you preach so I I really really thank her I don't know whether I have whether I am half as courageous as her or half as Brave as her but yeah that's my goal okay um do you do you look back at and think about that film particularly I love coach I had a great time working for I had an absolute blast um I've actually quite pretty much enjoyed my entire career I've had a damn good time shooting for what was your favorite film I don't know really you know I really don't know I it depends lots of films were my like I've had like a blast working on them I've Loved coach I have to say that's one of my favorites top favorites what what was it for you because all of us like saw you but I want to know what it was like for you it was great fun for me it was great fun for me because I


for me it was great fun for me because I was there from the beginning from when Karen first thought of the film to from from concept idea to actually casting and then eventually of course shooting and the film becoming a humongous success etc etc and the concussion and yes the concussion my God that was like scary that was like really weird do you remember it I remember it of course I remember it and I remember thinking to myself that I remember thinking I was worthy strange you know three four hours later I'm like wow I had this confused concussion I've got nothing I don't even have a headache then Shahrukh reminded me he's like idiot I gave you two Combi Flags you forgot that you took a Combi flag that's why you don't have a headache look really I don't remember taking the tablets do you remember the impact like the fall no I don't remember all that but uh yeah I do remember I do remember like the whole like I was like Dazed and uh you


the whole like I was like Dazed and uh you know I was just like I was just like really really I just remember being really dazed and not being able to register anything so I mean like they took me after the room and things like that and everybody's like asking me all these weird like it was just like they're like how everything you can hear from within like a very like bubbled filtered sound is coming to you so it was something like that but uh yeah this is very weird did they all know it's gonna become culturally that important as a movie or not all I don't think anybody ever knows that or aims for that also I think the people who actually aim for that and make films never make films that succeed succeed I think when you aim for making a culturally different film or a pop or a cult film I don't think you succeed as well as when you just go ahead and make the film that you know you are passionately interested in I think that's what that's


passionately interested in I think that's what that's when films actually take on a life of their own like for instance I think that ddlj till today is a film that has taken a life of its own yeah it doesn't belong to us anymore I mean we can take credit for making a film it belongs to us now yes it does I believe that it belongs to all everybody who has made it uh you know part of like I had had people come up to me and tell me you know I'm like you know you've made it a household a part of your house a part of your culture a part of your uh growing up memories so that's not us that's not we can't take credit for that you know for it to have reached where it is I'm saying this in a very positive way but it also messed up a generation that film and coach all very romantic yeah and you went to University thinking Mary University dude you know because of Bollywood all of us are now too


know because of Bollywood all of us are now too romantic your responsible Kajol for making an entire generation for me yes for sure did you know that these two guys are going to come like these kind of big producers that time it to all I don't think you can again you can't ever predict who's going to make it and who's not going to make it that's what I love about our film industry what was special about karanjo or back then I think he was just really cool he was funny he uh had uh had a great he was great writer thought differently at that time um and he was not scared of who he was I think that was a great part about Karan was that yeah he was a bit nerdy but at that time but he really wasn't he wasn't scared to go out and become a director despite the fact that uh you know he was maybe looked at and you know he had never directed a film before he had never he had not done anything


film before he had never he had not done anything he had just maybe assisted ADI for one film and he went ahead and made the film and wrote his film and became a director so yeah he wasn't scared of standing up for his dreams I think that that's the difference between succeeding in and succeeding and making it as you are that's why he became a cultural icon as well probably but with this whole coffee with pretty original I think I think it's fabulous like you like you said social media changed it completely he's like 20 I think he's about 200 different things now so sub could strike earlier I keep wondering what he's going to come up with next you know for this show I used to study rendezvous with a lot initially then I realized oh wait I need to study coffee with Karan he's too witty as a guy like he is he's amazing and what's great about him is that he has a lot of like like he's able to be personable with you


like like he's able to be personable with you yeah wherever you are and you know the one-liners are like literally on set there and then yeah which is something that's uh you know not scripted you can't script that kind of you know that kind of camaraderie oh yeah and you can't you can't like build that kind of wet over time no it's just there there he is like that that's how he is could have been a stand-up comic we're like next I'll tell him to try that okay fine and uh I have to ask you with dilwale same question did you know it's gonna become this not at all like I said before I think you you know you do films and you really hope I think ADI I remember has I think in the BTS it's he's said it also a picture so that's that's really how you go about making a film you just hope and break your music Friday that kind of music of course it was great you know I heard it when I was a


great you know I heard it when I was a kid like that that music and you yeah but again all these are subjective things aren't they music is a subjective thing it's music that you have made that you think will work or you think you like it's a subjective thing how do you know what you know everybody will like Shahrukh Khan also evolved a lot with us of course it seems like you know I'm saying this in a very positive way it seems like he hasn't in a good way you know what I mean like I feel he was always that same yes Emperor mentality guy I think Shahrukh is one of those people who recognized very early on that uh who he was on screen who was he was expected to be and uh pretty much lived up to those expectations and I think till today he I remember going once for his birthday it was his birthday and I was like you know it's your birthday I'm gonna come and see you so I just want to wish


come and see you so I just want to wish you a happy birthday and he you know he said ah come come but you know today is not a good day that's why this is no you know I have to go out now I have to like meet all these people and I have interviews and stuff like that this is the end of the day my birthday is not my own anymore and you know and um I belong to these people that's a lot of these and that's that's him so I think somebody who is I you know like if somebody once asked me about Shahrukh was like that what do you think is um what do you think is his why has he become Shahrukh Khan what do you think why did he become who he became and uh the answer is so simple the answer is really simple because he worked hard for it he just works works till today I think he's one of the like you say he's maybe his hard work doesn't show in Ajay devgan's


his hard work doesn't show in Ajay devgan's shows but I think uh but yeah he just works 24 7 at making sure that he is who he is unchanging and at the same time changing and evolving and uh you know doing other things what's the change I think I I've not worked with him for a while now but I think uh but I would as I know for a fact that he is taking the time out to you know concentrate maybe more on his personal life as well and take the time out to find out exactly who he is today as well which is Fab these are some 50s problems like like finding out who you are at that moment right don't you want to know it I think you always want to know who you are but you don't struggle with that question till much later what does that mean what do you mean Who You Are what does that mean I want to know because I'll try sorting it on my 30s instead I can save time [Laughter] okay fine fine we'll


can save time [Laughter] okay fine fine we'll talk about other fun now what do you watch on like your otd platform like what shows and movies you know I'm really bad I'm really bad I was just talking about a tree actually because I'm like I really don't watch that much I seriously don't I prefer to read so I read a lot I read a lot I love I went yesterday to grunt also so I love going to bookshops I love that's that's my I haven't I hadn't been to one for such a long time because I we don't have that many fabulous movies you can take any book that you want okay thank you I will look at that collection later but uh yeah so I have um so I love reading I just love reading I love um I love speed reading I love going through the first chapter of all the books that catch my attention and fancy and don't you think it's kind of sad that uh reading is fading away as as a culture yeah oh yeah I


fading away as as a culture yeah oh yeah I don't know about that I mean I feel I feel manga is very much in right now I feel that uh anime is huge um I feel that like my son for instance is not a reader I mean he's not a technical reader but he listens to a lot of audio books and he likes to read it's like start reading what you like so that you can eventually start reading you know what whatever ever you feel like reading um so yeah I think I think the the quote is uh read what you like until you like what you read yeah until you like what you read yes exactly that so I I mean like yeah so by and I I that's how you bring in the habit of reading my daughter's been a reader from the time that she was a kid with a lot of respect I feel your kids are exceptions my kids are fabulous now what can I say now I'm what can I say okay see I'll tell you what I understand about uh gen


I'll tell you what I understand about uh gen Z's like born after 1997 and then there's Jen Alpha which is born after 2005. uh they're very into screens they're way smarter like they're way smarter than any other generation before them uh but reading is going away as a culture because they want visual movement in their entertainment reading allows visual movement inside your head and that's what reading actually gives you over able to visualize better and all and I feel it's very important to develop your mind but the truth is that it's going out of fashion I feel a lot of people don't read now a lot of people don't read also again um I say that um a lot of people pick up the Habit later pick up the Habit later so a lot of a lot of people that I know of who are about 35 40 now I've started reading 10 years back so they start reading so even if you start reading later the point is that you're coming back to it you will come back to it you