it's basically it's an easier way to get ripped like the basic concept is that you just spend a lot of calories like when you're doing your cardio you go ham with your cardio oh so it's like hits or Tabata yeah something like that okay um so therefore your over and then if you combine that with weight training uh it leads to better aesthetic results you're basically burning off more calories and then still being in a caloric excess yeah uh through clean food so say so you'd be in excess not deficit uh yeah you're in and then it's it's to put on muscle all right it's okay yeah for sure I understand so uh it's it's why when footballers take off that like their jerseys there is a certain amount of rippedness even in footballers that you consider fat like I remember people used to consider Wayne Rooney fat but if he took off his T-shirt he was ripped um that's an outcome of G flux at the burning off so many calories but


flux at the burning off so many calories but still eating clean therefore they end up looking like that it's a very Aesthetics oriented topic yeah uh you have anything to say yeah for sure so I often have clients doing that style of training when they're in a calorie Surplus because it's going to be less and if they're sleeping well that their cortisol levels are low they're managing stress then that works great at keeping them lean whilst building muscle the only time I stay away from a lot of hit work is usually when that person is in a major calorie deficit because I don't want their cortisol spikes any more than the weight training workouts because I'm trying to maintain or build muscle in that instance if they're trying to build muscle and in a calorie Surplus their cortisol levels aren't really as much of an issue for me so then I usually do that but occasionally I'll do it with people on a calorie Surplus calorie deficit on their non-training days never on a


calorie deficit on their non-training days never on a training day though what's the biology behind this like what what actually changes when you do this level of a caloric output based exercise versus when you don't well not only are you burning the fat at the duration of the time when you're doing the cardio you continue to burn it for hours after you know your metabolism has been basically kick-start from that aerobic and anaerobic overload from that cardiovascular exercise that you've just done at a very high Tempo so your body still is requiring a lot more calories and burning through those calories for hours after that we're with steady state let's say you're on a power walk you're going to burn the body fat during that movement and you're going to synthesize the food better after but the fat burning only happens at that duration of time yeah I think the core concept behind G flux was uh what you spoke about synthesization of food and improving your carb sensitivity yeah yeah for sure


improving your carb sensitivity yeah yeah for sure like if you were to measure um you know with an Apple watch or something like that you'll notice that you burn so many more calories better throughout the day more efficient uh okay in terms of HIIT are you a fan of it like in a calorie Surplus okay yeah uh when I used to train college kids I would put all of them on it and that gave me my best results I don't know whether this is an Indian thing I was specific to those guys but uh I think a lot of them were trying to put on muscle and I feel it's a fantastic lifestyle to maintain if you can keep up with it mentally and keeping time as effective it's a challenge for sure but the one thing the reason why I'm a fan of that when people are trying to put on muscles put on and put on weights is that usually the cardiovascular function declines at that time they're getting they're getting heavier uh they became a little bit


they're getting heavier uh they became a little bit lazier sometimes and just focus all on weight training and I think okay if I do any form of card here now that's going to be counter-intuitive to my goal I'm trying to retain all these calories and it isn't always the fact and they're not able to keep up the intensity of their workouts because they've become so unfit and not cardiovascular functional so when they do that type of hit training in a calorie Surplus it only helps with the intensity of their workouts their cardiovascular fitness they can recover from their workouts so much better as well conversely if someone's lifting weights six times a week uh but you know maintaining a short duration between sets etc etc does that count as enough cardio like on the seventh day if they don't do anything no I wouldn't say it's it's uh it's enough for their cardio okay aspects you know you you'll feel more of a cardio workout maybe doing legs but that's pretty


a cardio workout maybe doing legs but that's pretty much it it's not going to get your heart rate up consistently for long enough to be considered you know heart healthy the biology behind doing cardio in the first place is to give your heart a workout yeah for sure because even that's a muscle yeah and it helps with the recovery if you've got a better blood flow throughout your body which is going to transport nutrients to localized areas that you're gonna train then you recover so much better I know if I do cardio uh when I'm trying to build muscle I recover so much better and I can train more intently uh intensely and more frequently we've had Basu Shankar on the show who was responsible for Virat kohli's transformation I told you about outside and all that uh he told me that most cricketers I think all the cricketers are on Creatine and they uh are on it for like a month and offered for a month yeah that's how athletes are


offered for a month yeah that's how athletes are administered creatine we're not athletes and when we're not living in the city um though I'm very active I don't have an athlete's lifestyle um how much should an average Urban human be consuming creatine should everyone be on Creatine uh for me it's made a world of a difference to how much weight I can lift and the way I look like all my girlfriends have always noticed when I've been on Creatine and when I've not and and I'd say the same for my team so it's been the one supplement that I've really benefited from over years of using it and I use it carefully I drink a lot of water uh I go off it but Chris gethin what's the 101 yeah for the average person that's on the street they probably don't need it but the active individual that's trying to progress and maybe hit personal bests or play sports at a decent level yeah take creatine now you're going to get the very few that aren't


you're going to get the very few that aren't receptors to creatine and it all depends on a different form of creatine that you take as well so with a monohydrate sometimes that you know which is the most studied form and the most studied amino acid and supplements out of all supplements out there not only for performance but Purity and safety as well so anyone who says creatine is not safe it is the most studied supplement for safety as well it's a safe product I think the argument again is something related to water yeah hydration if people aren't hydrated because it it pulls fluid into the cell of that creatine and into the muscle then yeah you're going to be dehydrated so you'll need to drink more water when you're taking creatine No Doubt now some people will take creatine monohydrates and they are not receptors to it sometimes it gives them stomach upset because the particle size just kind of absorb through the stomach wall lining so then you can take


the stomach wall lining so then you can take another form of creatine which is called HCL which is creating hydrochloride okay which is a lot easier so it's a more concentrated form of monohydrates which is a lot easier for your body to absorb so if you're taking a creative monohydrate you could take 20 grams per day is there any downside to having uh the hydrolyzed cream so why doesn't everyone uh take it every some people respond better to creatine monohydrates some people respond better to creatine hydrochloride gotcha everyone's different now with the creatine monohydrate the standard dose is usually about 20 grams a day so you'd have a a five grams before your workout five grams after your workout then another 10 grams throughout the day I usually just put it in my gallon drug and drink it throughout the day it's a lot easier and convenient and then when a hydrochloride it's usually based on that person's body weight but it's usually got six grams say maybe


body weight but it's usually got six grams say maybe in total throughout the day and that's why you'll find it a lot in like pre-workouts uh or post-workouts because it's it's much more condensed and you don't have to have so much in a scoop at that time but I think you know creatine is obviously found in naturally in a lot of protein sources like meat products and stuff like that this is just a more convenient way and a more condensed way for you to get it in so what I always explain to people when I say well what does creatine do for me it helps produce more ATP Addison triphosphate which is the energy source utilized in more explosive movements like sprinting power lifting or bodybuilding okay and let's say if you're stuck you've hit a plateau you can only get 11 reps or maybe 10 repetitions out it could potentially help you get that 11th rep out people that 13th rep out okay that one more repetition that you usually stop short of


that one more repetition that you usually stop short of which which matters in the long term because it compounds for sure because it's failure when you're failing when you're really struggling on that last rep that's where usually your success is found let's say if you're trying to get to 12 repetitions the first 10 is a waste of time but you need to do them to get to your failure points so if you you know you're doing your 10 reps just to get tier 12 but you could do 13 that one makes a huge difference and can you be in Canadian throughout the year uh you can but some people aren't always as responsive when they do creatine throughout the year so it's usually you mentioned uh if I think four weeks on four weeks off was suggested I usually go for eight weeks on and four weeks off I usually finish my entire bottle and then take like a month off yeah you can do that and you do see a visual difference in terms of because your muscles are letting go


in terms of because your muscles are letting go of the what fluid yeah you do look a little leaner yeah you push a little less in the gym but when you're back on it um you have a slightly higher jump than the previous time if you're serious about your training yeah and having a little bit of that extra fluid retention can help with your joints and the connective tissue surrounding your joints as well so you can push a little more and not feel as much strain on your joints much like you know having salt in your diet if you're getting a good salt in there I believe salt is like the mineral version of creatine where you get a little bit more fluid retention you're able to push so much more and feel stronger especially in a you know humid climate you know in lots of parts of India we are sweating a lot you know you need to have that salt in your diet maybe it's the same logic as uh when you eat a lot of you become a lot


when you eat a lot of you become a lot stronger yeah possibly I'm not saying that I'm going to be an advocate of that though just have the salt okay we gotta talk about pre-workouts Mr gethin uh what is the deal with pre-workouts like do you give them to any of your clients oh all of my clients okay all of my clients but it has to be a decent pre-workout so there's certain ingredients that you should be looking at so you know unfortunately we're talking about food where you know you can be marketed to very easily and you don't know what you're getting you always have to look at the ingredient profile on the back now this will require a lot of research on behalf of the consumer okay because we see all these ingredients on the back we go wow that must be good but uh all of those ingredients in the dosages that have been studied in research to be effective okay so let's say 6.5 grams of citrulline that gives you a pump has been


citrulline that gives you a pump has been shown to be effective in research but you purchase this pre-workout and it only says 1.5 grams of citrulline then it doesn't matter that this does not going to have an effect on you so it doesn't matter how many ingredients are in there we call it supplement industry we call this as a sugar coating or powder dusting or magic dusting you know the the product where it's just dust you know there's hardly anything in there that's more effective you're probably better off having just the five ingredients as opposed to the 20 ingredients but in proper dosages and you should always look for patented ingredients whenever possible so a patented ingredient is going to be an ingredient that is being studied and tested for Purity safety and performance and then Pat it in so let's say beta alanine that's a popular ingredient in pre-workouts can give you a tingly sort of feeling okay but that really buffers lactic acid okay now the patented version of that is called


acid okay now the patented version of that is called carnosine so you need to then research what are the patented versions of these ingredients in this pre-workout that I need what are the dosages of these ingredients that I need in this pre-workout so there's going to be a little bit of research that should be done by the individual before they purchase yeah uh gotta highlight fat burners Mr gethin Sure very popular in India and I think it's popular because a lot of people look at it as a cheat code to burning off fat rather than doing the dirty work and just avoiding your burgers and pizzas and dessert uh do you have anything to say yeah and again it is to supplement your perfect diet and activity towards fat loss doesn't make up for it doesn't make up for the shortfalls now you're going to get a lot of fat burners out there unfortunately they're just full of caffeine it's going to give you a buzz and that is it you need to look for certain ingredients in there


it you need to look for certain ingredients in there that is going to help you with blood sugar stability so for instance um like chromium or berberine these are ingredients that will help with blood sugar stability okay and then you'll have other ingredients in there that can help with cravings for instance you know or other ingredients that help with um thermogenesis so that could be like capsicum or the patented version of it it's called capsimax that raises your body core temperature you know so there's various ways of how these body these uh fat burners should help you when you're on a diet some can have um appetite suppressants within them so if you're craving all the time you're you're hungry all the time then some of these fat burners can have appetite suppressants in there as well so they have a multi-pronged approach to help you but again if you're eating burgers or pizza no fat burner is going to help you I remember when I first moved to America and I was within the


I first moved to America and I was within the apartment block that I stay in there's uh some women in the swimming pool and one of them said hey do you have any hydroxy cut and I that was a popular fat burner back in the day maybe it still is and uh that woman just wanted the Hydroxycut just to give her energy at the office at four o'clock in the afternoon you know so everybody looks at fat burners very very differently as opposed to what they were produced for so see if someone has followed their diet in a very nice way it's training hard but is not able to burn off that last amount of fat is that when you would recommend it yeah you know sometimes uh you know like I only added it into Riddick's diet like literally a week ago and we've been on this diet for six weeks already so now it's like okay now stuff's getting hard probably gonna start getting Cravings probably going to start getting hungry we need that extra Edge and that's


getting hungry we need that extra Edge and that's all it is it's just an extra couple of percent um but can you burn fat without it yeah sure you know people who kind of hit their limit with burning fat they go to about 12 13 body fat which still makes you look great without a shirt on you know you look like you work out uh but they want to go ripped they want to go Bruce Lee like they want those abs and all that how would you do it as a trainer without the uh remove last time we spoke about the water uh like you let go of water you avoid salt that's just like a day before a photo shoot yeah but say on a regular basis if you want them to go below that 12 percent if you want them to hit like single digits without um like any anabolic steroid or anything like that what would you make them do yeah sure so it's double cardio so it means cardio in the morning and in the evening so let's say that that person's weight


the evening so let's say that that person's weight trading in the morning straight after their workout they'll have their protein shake then immediately after that protein shake they'll go do their cardio because I don't want the cardio to be even more catabolic because the workout's already catabolic they're already losing muscle there so I need to splunt that stop that as soon as possible now let's just work on the synthesis of the food that you're going to consume throughout the day by burning fat right now okay then we do the steady state cardio eat clean throughout the day manage their stress stay hydrated and then do another cardio let's say if we did the first cardio say 9 30 10 o'clock in the morning the second cardio is now five o'clock in the afternoon and it'll be intense uh it's usually so for instance if they're walking it's walking as fast as they possibly can but they're able to hold a conversation like I am with you now so it shouldn't be super


am with you now so it shouldn't be super intense where it's like um more anaerobic based where they're really out of breath why shouldn't it be super intense because I'm trying to keep their cortisol levels down because we've just gone through massive catalism in their workout their cortisol levels their stress hormones were through the roof during that workout now I need it as low as possible to retain the muscle and recover from the workout because 24 hours later we're hitting the gym again and going through a very intense period and you'd be I'm assuming you'd be training like six times a week five times a week Max okay okay and and sometimes it's a little instinctive so sometimes it could be two days on and I look at the you know they didn't sleep well they were stressed or whatever it's like okay let's take a day off but if everything's perfect okay let's train the third day in a row but then after that third day let's take that day off this is


that third day let's take that day off this is the biggest nugget of gold from this podcast for me this is a big questions a lot of Indian lifters have they take themselves to that 12 13 Mark and don't know how to go beyond that and I think if we're highlighting aspects of the G flux conversation we had earlier as well that where you just have a higher caloric output yeah yeah for sure yeah you know you have to obviously not over train you know because you you can't go through like central nervous system fatigue you know you have to work with the body instead of trying to fight against the body to get the the fat down but a lot of the time it is just making sure that you're in a parasympathetic State you're maybe starting the day with a cold shower or ice bath so you can mobilize the fatty acids a little bit easier you're making sure that you're extremely hydrated you're going to bed early you're having good quality sleep


going to bed early you're having good quality sleep you're meditating all of these things with a holistic approach usually get the job done and break through the plateaus I was about to ask you if there's a role of meditation in building an aesthetic physique because it's helping in my life for sure massive so I get all my clients to meditate you know or try to at least um you know in the morning and at night before you go to bed you should get rid of all the all the stimulation so you can focus on your quality sleep you know and then wake up in the morning with a better intention and you're positive and you're looking at lives and a workout says possibilities what you can accomplish as opposed to usually the general impossibilities a lot of people wake up self-doubts and they go throughout the day with self-doubt that's not going to help their workouts they have to go in with every intention that they can do some unnatural things in that gym to


can do some unnatural things in that gym to get some unnatural results when they come out of it because the self-doubt and stress will actually biologically lead to a higher cortisol level for sure which one and you know you you create limitations limitations and if your brain is crowded with other things that you're not going to be present during your workouts or in a parasympathetic State when you're eating your meals you need to be rested and digesting do you know when you're eating your meals and I I have had this conversation with Riddick this morning is that when we're training this muscle here your delts are want you to think of every single fiber as an orchestra and they all have to sing in a perfect tune in order to get out the music that you're trying to create here you know all these muscle fibers you have to think really deep down to get that mind muscle connection of every single fiber to contract um yeah I think we're talking about mindfulness here yeah just


I think we're talking about mindfulness here yeah just being present in have to be present no phone in the gym you have to be completely present and the same no distraction when you're eating be present something we didn't highlight in the last fat loss oriented episode was this concept of mindful eating which I've picked up from monks on the show they highlighted mindful eating as a very important exercise in furthering the meditation practices yeah because they were like if I can focus on just my food that translates to me improving my levels of focus which will translate to deeper meditations because their meditations are all about Focus based uh exercises so even just focusing on your food it can help you achieving higher meditative States and it'll kind of help you know uh when to stop eating maybe especially when you're eating junk yeah because through this whole process of muscle building you're not going to be eating clean forever there are going to be days where you have to be at a family function Etc just be


have to be at a family function Etc just be mindful of what you're eating in those moments yeah and a lot of people when they aren't mindful when they're eating because they haven't focused on the food that they're taking in they're still hungry they get to the end of the meal like or what else can I eat because I weren't mindful or focused on or present when they were consuming that food and a lot of it is because they're just like not mindful at all yeah 100 oh you've got to slow down a little bit put the fork down in between your bites shoe enjoy be grateful yeah you know I think after the first episode we did uh the big learning I got was something I tweeted out took me a day to absorb all of it but the big learning I had was people chase growth in terms of money and growth in terms of muscles but if you actually just Chase growth in terms of mindfulness you're doing a lot more for your chases of money and


doing a lot more for your chases of money and muscle 100 because a lot of us are looking for the outcome we're seeking a success instead of being present with the journey or the sacrifices that we have to make prioritize them one last question for you on this supplements special which is uh related multivitamins and fish oils Etc and I'm asking you this from a perspective of people who are not necessarily into weight training and just want to be healthy what's the scientific truth about multivitamins what's the scientific truth about fish oils uh omega-3 fatty acids as supplements versus just from food can a diet full of raw veggies and different colored fruits and vegetables do the same job for you that multivitamins can a lot of the time no unfortunately if you were to ask me this question maybe 60 70 years ago I'd have a different answer because now with the overpopulation of the countries the over Harvest station of the food uh our soil now is very much depleted to


uh our soil now is very much depleted to what it was many many years ago so as an example like an orange I don't know if I mentioned this before that say our grandfather's age would have seven times the amount of vitamin C than the orange at we're consuming today so a lot of the food that we're eating no matter how healthy we're eating is very deficient so it's very important that you do take in like a multivitamin as your insurance a lot of the vitamins are water soluble anyway so whatever your body doesn't use it's just gonna pee out maybe you'll have a little bit more expensive piss you know that's all right it's a safe haven so you know I if you're an active individual then you'll probably need even more vitamins and minerals but for the sedentary individual for sure only because of the malnutrition that we have going on in our food system today and if you are eating proteins that feed from the soil as well feed from the grass they're going


soil as well feed from the grass they're going to be deficient as well so it is a safe haven and make sure that that multivitamin is like organic based so it isn't created in a lab so we can we call that Pharmacy to table multivitamins Instead try to go through a farm to table multivitamin gotcha and with fish oils as well again a lot of the fish is Factory farmed maybe a lot of people don't eat fish as much as they should and omega-3 oils especially in a culture where we're consuming so much vitamin uh omega-6 uh I think is very important that you go for a good good um omega-3 oil that is maybe maybe you know that it's been extracted from Alaska or off the coast of Chile or something like that it's not like when you look at a multi an Omega oil it should be quite light in color so it's been extracted from that fish that's fresh as opposed to very dark and cloudy in color which probably hasn't because


dark and cloudy in color which probably hasn't because that oil usually goes rancid in the fish after it's been killed and then they leave it and they don't extract it until days later that's going to be a rancid oil also the pure vegetarian questionnaire like people are not willing to have omega-3s which are derived directly from fish I know there's Alternatives which are derived from seaweed yeah exactly does that supplement enough yeah that's absolutely fine that's absolutely fine yes okay uh and one kind of step back kind of question why we talk about highlighting vitamins uh fish oils what does it biologically do to your muscle building process or your fat loss process or just your immunity on a biological level what does it do well if you're healthier if your engine is going to be more highly tuned then it's going to be more efficient at more outputs a better output so a lot of people look at the macronutrients instead of the micronutrients the micronutrients provide provide more


the micronutrients the micronutrients provide provide more Health to the body so it can help with muscle contraction muscle relaxation you know especially minerals in the body so you know it helps from a health standpoint which should be a priority because when you're healthier your body responds better okay gotcha anything else that you'd like to add in the supplement special Mr Chris gethin no just for people to understand that it is the icing on the cake you know you need to ensure that you have adequate nutrition coming from healthy sources natural sources and then once you've got the recipe of that cake down and you're consistent with that rest recipe then you put the isem on the cake coming in and form of supplementation so with my clients I don't always get supplements in this straight away especially if they haven't got the Sleep the hydration the nutrition down first Mr Chris getting another epic episode with you thank you for all the knowledge and uh on behalf of the Indian youth that's followed you for like 10 years


Indian youth that's followed you for like 10 years now uh I think you still have so much more to give uh the world man like you're someone who's constantly learning yeah and in a field like yours we need to have people like you who are constantly staying updated because a lot of people get stuck in their own beliefs I've seen you change your beliefs according to how peer-reviewed scientific studies change and the guy you off especially after getting to know you over the course of three conversations you're someone I can trust my life when it comes to these kind of Concepts so thank you no I appreciate that thank you very much and that's why I love doing what I do because the more that I learn the more that I realize I don't know a lot so there's always a constant learning curve of evolution within this industry no it's crazy looking forward to more episodes with you appreciate it it's an honor brother thank you thank you so that was the episode for today I do


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I was there alone in the room um right in front of me there were two entities standing just imagine a human being but without the physical body so some of them may have hunger some of them may have anger some of them may have lost various things Etc and for some reason or the other they remain Trapped In This Plane they're not able to progress further what do they do with that hunger and lust Ah that's where the trouble comes in okay so if uh if they're agitated then they they are going to cause trouble to somebody other who may be around that same space and what's a stupid way of inviting them to you oh there are so many ways a either you are one of those people who are like an exorcist then enter into that but that is formal proper trained and entering which is very different so somebody who's an exorcist knows how to protect himself what needs to be done Etc and perhaps his Destiny is that he has to enter into that field for other


that he has to enter into that field for other people straight away do Persona of the main date is know how to protect yourself in case there is an overlap and interaction sometimes that happens that is the best an average human being can do this episode with rajashi nandi sir is the finale of our Trilogy on Tantra and the occult if you haven't seen the first two episodes of course I do wish you go check them out but even if you haven't this one in itself will create a very big impact in your psyche it will change you kind of questions I've asked him the kind of answers that sir has given us it's gonna stay with you for a very long time it's a very dark episode if you're watching this at night just be a little careful um my intention with releasing this kind of content online is never to add more Darkness to your life I do want to educate people about darker Concepts according to Tantra according to ancient Indian culture but there's no


Tantra according to ancient Indian culture but there's no intention of bringing any amount of Darkness into your mind just learn gain and move closer towards the light move closer towards goodness for more episodes like this make sure you follow TRS on Spotify every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world but Spotify exclusive remember that even when it comes to dark Concepts like these what's said in the world of Tantra is that the more you meditate the more spiritualized you get the more you're able to protect yourself from darker energies whatever that means I'm reeling information that I've read in autobiography of a yogi from dough base to light from rajashi so himself meditation not only will protect your mind in the long term not only will it keep you stable it will protect you in dark moments as well make sure you begin your meditation Journey a meditation app level is now live the link is given down below and now I will let you slip in


down below and now I will let you slip in to this Tantra and horror special with rajashi nandi so [Music] thank you I have a feeling this is going to be the heaviest episode let's see maybe the darkest because the kind of stuff I wanted to speak about on this one we touched upon it in the last episode right uh but I think this is the episode where we actually unpacked and feel free to also share experiences on this one because the kind of path you're on um experiences meet you yes uh and we spoke about beings on the last episode we spoke about the nature of the soul in the last episode yes but I think a great starting point for this one would be the higher beings which might be considered harmful and we've had a lot of people who've come on the show uh kind of just touch upon those topics I feel when you're authentic practitioner you have a much more intimate understanding about these beings these topics you don't need to expand on


beings these topics you don't need to expand on this answer if you don't wish to have you come in contact with such beings uh So eventually somewhere the other your paths will uh sort of uh not Clash exactly but even if you it's unavoidable as a part so I am saying that it is not that you will have to actually actively pursue them you pursue the upasana the practice of the deity you're worshiping but eventually as you go higher chances are that once in a while you will interact with these beings and these entities I remember one instance I was uh for practicing I was doing some practice and then suddenly I remember uh peculiar kind of heaviness I started feeling and there were thoughts which were completely strange which means parts of uh murder suicide things like that out of the blue initially I just rejected it okay it didn't pay too much attention dreams started coming which were very negative now this state continued for two three days what kind of dreams


state continued for two three days what kind of dreams uh very violent kind of dreams of uh you know death destruction this that uh more of a kind of nightmarish quality to the dreams where you are portrayed in a you know you see yourself engaging in certain kinds of very harsh activities uh two days it continued most of the time when I was I used to keep myself busy to get out of it work and other things office work stuff like that Etc but after the second third day I felt that these none of this is my thoughts one of the first things is as you go deeper into yoga know that half of in not half ninety percent of the thoughts are not even your own it's just passing through various sources or somewhere else your mind it passes through your mind and you attach yourself to it and you think it's you are thinking it so first thought that struck me very clearly that this is not mine because I I don't think like this okay I know


because I I don't think like this okay I know myself I know what is the standard pattern of my thoughts even if it's negative how far it can go I know that it can't go beyond this Etc so that uh third day it was so disturbing that uh um I was not able to meditate I was not able to do anything and there was constant bombardment in the mind of very strong thoughts of extreme negativity violence death uh this kind of stuff so I remember I came back from office and at night I started uh uh Mantra of matara good and uh for two two and a half hours I did full month with little bit of Puja adminster after that another and after that I read a small fire ritual to matara why specifically matara because I was worshiping her at that time okay okay I was worshiping Mata at the time and uh after a point of the practice after a point of the sadhana it reached a very very detached very beautiful condition with her


a very very detached very beautiful condition with her blessing creeper we call it I've reached a very detached condition so I could like I was there but I was kind of detached from myself and I could see things which otherwise I would not be able to perceive and that's when I saw I was there alone in the room um right in front of me there were two entities standing okay uh one was significantly negative looking and very short night but very negative uh kind of let me just look at the appearance and you'll feel a little cringe could you could you describe the appearance a little bit no it's it's it's like humanish uh but uh the vibe was very very negative the eyes were very specific like I was sitting here and I think just a few distance from here was standing this guy this entity this being it was uh the feeling that you have that it has a human appearance but it is not human when it's difficult to describe it properly but that's the typical feeling


describe it properly but that's the typical feeling that you'll get and you could feel that it's like dripping with negativity and then behind it there was another entity which was very calm and it felt even more dangerous but there's this cold evil that you have this sense that you feel like Etc Richard I at the time I had no idea and I what those entities are but what happened was because of the force of the Mantra that I was doing these were the ones who were causing this whole rakas in my head and things were and also yeah I was having a lot of conflicts to suddenly out of the blue just like that fights with people which and fights over things that is not my normal propensity I know that I'm a fight over XYZ but this is not what I am I knew it very well so I think to truly understand what sir is saying you have to actually listen to the previous episode because you spoke about astral existence which means that within your body


about astral existence which means that within your body there are three bodies yes one's the physical body once the Astro body once the causal body yes and these bodies exist on different planes which are present all around us in our realm as well is that fair to say yes okay absolutely where we exist also exists the astral plane that contains higher beings right uh and when you are meditating you were able to kind of access that plane or rather you're able to remove your brain's filter in some ways uh no these entities can come to you for various reasons there's no specific uh rule hard and fast rule as I said sometimes you maybe you may be your practice may be going very deep that's when they will come to interfere that's a very typical strategy they have why that's their nature that just the nature it's so we think of it from we rationalize things from our point of view that we are like this so if you put your hand inside a Tiger's mouth five times out of uh five


a Tiger's mouth five times out of uh five times you do four times it'll bite you because it's Justice nature to do so so there Dharma as I was saying some of these entities their specific Dharma is to cause disturbance and they feed on that in people's in peoples in people's lives Etc uh there are some beings who will come and interfere specifically to those who are into practices other normal beings normal person they will not interfere with if you're doing a practice that is when they will come and try to disrupt your practice the whole aim is somehow break the Rhythm the moment the rhythm is broken your energy is going to fall energy is fall means you will not reach where you are supposed to reach that's all and we have evidences of this in the olders if you read the ramayana you see that Lord Rama was brought by Rishi vishwamitra because they were asuras destroying the AG guess so he asks a very young Lord Rama and lakshman


asks a very young Lord Rama and lakshman other please come and protect the against the fire ritual elaborate Vedic ritual of the worship of the Gods okay and they come and they fight with the asuras and the rakshasas and they remove them so there are specific entities whose role specifically has been since time since historical times since ancient times wherever there are upasana worship of devathas going on they will come to interfere and depending on your caliber that will be matched by the caliber of the entity that is coming by the way it is don't for a very for a person who is starting the journey do not expect that some you are not vishwamitra so no rakshasa or Surah is going to come so easily to you they influence they obstruct when there is a large-scale in terms of person are happening which can have a strong positive impact on a lot of people that they will obstruct and the other is sometimes they influence people and they influence people


is sometimes they influence people and they influence people only those people through whom they can cause large amount of Destruction they're not interested in one single individual they are absolutely no interest in you me as an average individual you can go about doing your life and I'm talking about asuras which are the highest of the negatives in our Dharma there's nothing Beyond this whereas in negative scale if you look at it that way but they will only interfere and influence only those beings those people those entities through whom they can cause lot of Destruction which is why I think history written that Hitler was being influenced by nasula because through him so much destruction could be caused um while there's many more questions I have so I want to actually address the Skeptics here as well okay there's a lot of Skeptics when it comes to topics like this my viewpoint about Skeptics is that there is a place for skepticism in the world actually progress in the world moves forward often because of skepticism


in the world moves forward often because of skepticism when we talk about scientific progress material progress but when it comes to Skeptics about things like this uh the argument often is uh either where's the evidence or these are stories that encapsulate and capture emotions and then used to manipulate people and uh also it's like just as a concept is something that's present in Minds that treat only science as God now science is important for the world and it's a very um integral part of the world it's full of Integrity science a very honest approach to life but it has its own limitations that's why we have scientists in the world to kind of constantly break those limitations and see what's beyond me this is about all the stuff that's beyond and of course when you're talking about stuff that's beyond it can be used negatively then you can just go crazy with it but what's your answer to the Skeptics watching the podcast at this point so uh in general I never tried to convince


so uh in general I never tried to convince a skeptic because I had been a skeptic at one point of time so I believe that it's a natural progression on their own so it is not something that can be proved via arguments so you no amount of argument is good enough to convince a skeptic uh because the mind gets said that okay I don't want to believe it don't want to believe it however there are people who are Skeptics and who may suddenly have an experience and I'm not even talking about a Divine experience this negative experience is even more dangerous okay uh have an experience and then they suddenly as I said an experience that is outside of a normal realm of existence the react how you react to it how the mind reacts to it is very different I mean you may end up in a State of Shock and that doesn't matter how much skeptic you might be you'll still end up in a State of Shock yeah or if you're fundamentally very strong-willed you


yeah or if you're fundamentally very strong-willed you will survive it but your perspective will change my answer to Skeptics is let your experiences lead the way rather than the words you see in books right because there is a whole world beyond the world of books and literature and text as well uh the world of intuition the world of creativity imagination but if you still need proof for yourself let your human eyes and senses find the proof go out and experience the world go out and meet New Perspectives absolutely true the best way to do you know somebody is a genuine skeptic but somebody who's a skeptic with a sort of an agnostic Viewpoint which means that you are not firmed up your mind that yes or no I will base it on evidence that kind of a person if he or she goes out spend months spend you know go out meet people I'm sure there will be a lot of people who may be delusional frauds but even after 10 frauds you may meet


frauds but even after 10 frauds you may meet somebody who's actually genuine and you may come across an experience which you cannot explain through rational work okay to rational understanding in fact something like that is how I got changed into I I used to be in just the average guy in college with no interest in this no zero interest in engineering engineering College you're interested in these things then I um I had an experience once I was I'd gone to the Durga Puja panel and uh Bengali Durga Puja is like it's more both the religious Festival as well as a cultural Festival so everybody goes there so I was there I remember um and I was looking at the year of uh with and for suddenly for a few seconds just like my mind entered into some kind of a Zone and normally if you go to Durga Puja you'll see that all there is sound and noise and things like that everything stopped cut nothing no sound and I could see the deity almost there standing right in front and


see the deity almost there standing right in front and for a second it was it was real than anything I've ever seen just real when you can't describe it and um very organically I asked for two things that if there's a truth to these matters I would like to know and another prayer came out which is more private which I don't mention but this happened this whole thing must have happened for maybe two seconds or three seconds not even that right after that the rational mind kicks in and rational medicine or must be an illusion of the mind okay this is impossible all nonsense you're just believing making a stuff up and you never tell anybody because I is rejected from the mind he this must not have happened I mean how can this happen this is obviously you know some kind of a delusion or something but strangely seven days later I am sitting with a friend of mine and there is the friend's uncle is a very powerful very Advanced capacity it's one of the people I


very Advanced capacity it's one of the people I consider as my gurus so his he had called up this friend and he was just speaking to him and he says asks him that um who's uh so in Hindi he says that who's there in a room with you is there anybody there so he says yeah just a friend is there just pass the phone to him so he gave me the phone and I don't even know what to speak of so I just say namaste blood out and Namaste and he'll say namaste and then he says I'll come to Bangalore for some office work uh meet me once okay and after I hang up the phone my friend is saying that people come from far and wide to meet him and all that and uh so in my mind there's a mix of curiosity what is happening exactly okay I officially I was more of the agnostic skeptic nastic and non-believer kind of things but there was this curiosity that why do people come to him I said why did he


do people come to him I said why did he call him go and see but I went to meet him after a few days he comes there and he's speaking to me and um suddenly I realized that he's speaking to me things that there is no way on Earth He Can Know About Me step by step one after the other one after the other what is going on I thought this is some trick is going on this is mind reading must be some hypnotism mind reason something like that because my rational mind is trying to justify that experience how is it possible and uh then he told me uh in coming months XYZ things are going to happen with you so yes things like that I have a restriction on mentioning his name in public so that I will never do is very clear on that but he was a very Advanced of the bhagavadi you have to explain the word again is one who does sadhana one who does practice of the deity okay okay so uh that is where I remember during conversation with


so uh that is where I remember during conversation with him uh he gave me a mantra and said do this Mantra just chant this month I was curious because once I became uh once I analyzed in my own way I analyzed and saw that uh this was not mind reading uh there is nothing for him to gain from me so if I were to hypnotize you and mind you I have to gain something why would I do it either I have to gain your appreciation but why would I want your represent you're a nobody I'm just a policeman there's nothing there neither do I have a lot of money he's not asking for my money I anyway I didn't have that much money anything so why what exactly is this happening then like just a thought came that uh okay let us assume for the sake of assumption that there is a possibility of something beyond what I can understand through rationality and whatever my limited understanding rationality is then I asked him that how how do


is then I asked him that how how do I how is this possible so he said that that is where the processes you do um he gave me a Mantra to chant and um for a year I chanted kept chanting nothing happened then one day I called him and said that uh nothing is happening something has to happen I mean why will I waste my time doing this and so many other things in life to do okay and uh [Music] I wanted some experience at that time I I used to I started off so first of all my entry was like from a non-traditional background into this field so I call always say that I was more of a lateral entry into the path of the Dharma in the path of you then he said okay you do an anusthanam you do you take a sankalpa as I was explaining means you make a promise to the deity that I will do so much amount of sadhana in so many days with these these XYZ rules that's all and then


days with these these XYZ rules that's all and then you follow those rules and do it but those rules were given by him uh somewhat given by him okay okay and somebody but it's still a more relaxed it was not very complicated you can make this very complicated also the more tougher rules you put the greater and you succeed higher is the result you will get okay but it was more of a thing that was kind of relaxed only thing was the timing was to be fixed every day at this specific time I had to sit at night and it used to take me close to one and a half hours of Japan so I remember even during weekends when uh that time my friends would come and say okay let's go to a pub and things like that I said ah just wait for some time I'll finish it and then we'll go okay so I had no expectation that anything will happen but just mechanically doing it but I took it more as a challenge okay these are the rules let's see I'll


challenge okay these are the rules let's see I'll do the rules and I finished it in 40 days it was supposed to be 41 days I remember then it was a Sunday at the end of it the next day morning I um it was a basically I had not the faintest idea who was whatever I am from the background who has very standard idea of gods there is a Shiva is there mahakali is there because Bengal Kali is most popular and there's Krishna is there when all that I have no idea who is this so after the 41st day I'm standing outside and I'm having coffee and having very beautiful filter coffee and I'm uh suddenly I see there are cars coming one two three four five six seven eight nine and all of them had the different cars but not even a group together it's like separate cars individual cars coming and each of them had this poster of uh and wherever is not that popular in South by the way it's popular not as popular as it is in some


it's popular not as popular as it is in some areas or Not by the time the seventh rate car came in I was stuck that this is something is going on this is not normal this is something different because I have been here all the while I've never seen so many cars that two of the of a name that is not that popular I can understand if it is some of the other deities or in Maharashtra if it's ganpati I can understand very popular forms but there it is not there and uh just tracked me in my head but I again rejected it I will take it too seriously it could be a coincidence after all I don't know that night I was in the room sleeping and 233 I woke up and uh uh right in front of me I could see a presence of the deity of bhairav yeah which is supposed to be a scary form of Shiva scary because your mind is not accustomed to taking it okay and I got scared I got full scared I was


I got scared I got full scared I was like and remember next day I called him up my Guru can you describe what it looked like no full I will not go into description just that he was standing there okay and I couldn't sleep after that okay just standing and I actually see there are more uh more things involved because so around Shiva or around bhairava there are always ganas who are Ghana means who are basically uh the family of the deity who are greatly connected to the deity and from that realm okay specifically for Shiva they are called Shiva ganas or rudraganas or bhairavaganas so if you do their upasana properly and suppose you have some past life link or something like that is there it is often the case that before the prime Pradhan devatas the primary deity you are worshiping comes one of these ganas will come just to see who is it calling they don't mean you any harm but just to check if you can't take their energy how will you


check if you can't take their energy how will you take the energy of the deity okay but this is a very standard thing what do you mean take energy take means you are able to see what happened that whatever that entity whatever that being was there it is not negative at all it was means there uh I got scared I got scared and I called him next day I've called him uh on phone and said that xyzer he said it's okay don't worry too much about it if you're feeling too scared go and stay with your any other friend's house one two days and then come back it will be fine I did that one two days later okay and um for few days I stopped the practice because I could not process Q what happened but then there is some urge within me that says that no don't stop let's do it again let's see where it goes where where does this stop where does this go like this I kept continuing to practice uh so this was one of my primary first


practice uh so this was one of my primary first experiences now what happens is when a deity when one of these great gods any of this suppose by some miracle or something where to come with the full energy full Shakti full power even passes by near you unless you are ready for it unless your mind and body has the power to take that you will be in a record State because this is a tremendously different energy in fact uh if you read that autobiography Yogi which you were referring to I think I remember one of the chapters is a very interesting line when he's explaining about kriyayo and I read it long back he says that if your body so if you know it's like your your body is imagine your body is like a 40 watt bulb okay and if you put instead of 40 watt if you put in 100 000 Watts about what is going to happen it will crack it doesn't have the capacity to take it the whole process of upasana is that you


it the whole process of upasana is that you attain to the fitness where you can take the interaction with a devotee without either having any kind of a year but what happens during the interaction there's a sort of energy exchange no no then that depends that's again these are all very so if if suppose you reach a very high state that there is a actually a deity interacts with you he or she will try to transform you okay into something more spiritual something that will take you to a higher zones okay that is one of the primary things of deities uh if they come and by the way because this will be heard by a lot of people there are many instances where people see deities they feel they see they see something also and yet it causes no transformation in them okay they remain exactly as it is so these topics are more complicated than they appear in what we can verbally explain properly that's why the necessity of a good Guru uh to take Give an example uh see in this


uh to take Give an example uh see in this case so what happened is after that experience my practice became more intense okay that's good fine that's a sort of a blessing from the deity there are people I know who see deities who claim to have seen and I'm not doubting them at all but it has caused not the slightest change in them on the other hand if you go back and read the biography of a saint luxury ramakrishna paramansa so he sees mahakali once okay once this is and it changes him into a saint it becomes complete transformed completely so not all seeing is same that's why these things uh we enter into zones which cannot be explained verbally easily and that is why there is the necessity of somebody a guru who can hold your hand and can you know correct you or guide you or what to take seriously what not to get too attached to things like that um wow okay uh you know can something evil something demonic pose as a


you know can something evil something demonic pose as a positive deity absolutely and it happens uh one two cases I knew of individuals uh they can pose sometimes they will come with a lot of effulgence a lot of light a lot of power and lot of things but there is one trick to it trick means I I say that it happens to people who worship now on the surface of it if you ask that why are you worshiping they'll say I want Moksha I want Liberation I want to because of my bhakti etc etc but deep down what is your secret desire what is it that you want so I am worshiping that I become more powerful or I am worshiping I want XYZ some uh things are there sometimes your greed and desire is much more than what you are allowed by Nature so what these entities will come they will first come with a lot of effulgence lot of Etc these things and then they will give you to some degree what you want they will


give you to some degree what you want they will tell you oh you want this I'll make you the best in the this thing Etc there is always from deep within there is it's like this this principle that happens in the spirituality no possession can happen without an affirmation from within um and affirmation is not verbal verbal speech is the worst of the all speeches it's the most useless of all speeches in the spiritual field there are higher Realms of speech where you don't utter any word you can communicate but verbal speech is the one where you can lie and you lie not to the world you lie to yourself that is the worst part hundreds of people do that all the time I am doing the Puja for this purpose that purpose but your secret motivation is something else and as is your motivation so will be your activity to judge a person observe the actions not look at the words words don't mean a thing deities don't care about your words they see what is your


don't care about your words they see what is your secret motivation so these entities often can come to people because of that if there is some motivation for something else and there is agreed to uh succeed fast motivation and speed so you don't want to wait you want the faster path normal for a day tube person normal the gods we River as the great Gods Shiva Krishna they are not going to come so fast to you if it is happening very fast then get yourself checked immediately either you are a good that's where you have to go to a guru you cannot do it yourself how do you find a guru take your time don't be in a hurry you meet people uh see if their words are you know sort of gelling with it but not just words see the energy is dealing with you and the other thing is important to note is that who what is the guru parampara which means what I mean specifically it is applied to since we were talking we are talking a


to since we were talking we are talking a lot about Tantra sadhara so in Tantra it is very important that who is the gurus Guru who is the guru's guru's guru three generations of accomplished gurus has to be there it cannot there is no Swami Guru I don't know who my guru's Guru is one day morning he got up and became enlightened it doesn't work it may work in some cases but then all that doesn't work because a guru is finally like imagine a huge Banyan Tree Guru is one of the branches of a fruit in that tree but that is connected to that whole thing ecosystem is there that is what a cooler is that is what a whole samprada is the date is whose his Guru has worshiped and his Guru has worshiped in fact you have to do the worship of the gurus is very important you have to do tarpanam to the guru sarpana means basically a process by which you tell them that let


basically a process by which you tell them that let you be satisfied okay there's a method of doing it we do it for pitrus also ancestors and all that who have expired in the Hindu ritual custom after a year or so or specifically we do tarpanam to them we do tarpanam to rishis also and we do tarpanam to the gurus to the three generations of gurus it is necessary to do them it is necessary to invoke Their Blessings when you are doing a sadhana so that they can protect you they can guide you they can ensure that the right knowledge is passing through you you are never alone you are just a part of this ecosystem even after having great Guru still you may not progress because there is another factor which is time mahakal he is the Lord of time until he sets the tone this is the time for you to progress you will not go but still you practice I remember once long back when I was initial days one very Advanced upasaka and I was


initial days one very Advanced upasaka and I was a bit confused about certain things he told me that what if I tell you that you'll never make any progress in this lifetime would you continue the practice or did you leave it so I was like it was a rhetorical question I didn't answer she says that it's a very simple thing if the person says genuinely if you say that okay nothing is going to happen you're wasting your time it's useless this lifetime is not going to happen anything for you so then he may think uh what is the use of doing I have so many other things I can do he was not even meant for it in the first place the person who can continue with devotion even when there is no sight of the result coming that is the person who has a chance eventually of succeeding and this and nature is a very good filtering process it may be the time when all the Sacred Scriptures which were originally passed down to the samprada guru to


originally passed down to the samprada guru to shisha are all open in the internet yet the number of people who succeed is exactly fixed not one extra will succeed you can practice as much as you want somewhere the other something will happen so Nature has this very good filtering mechanism very good I mean there is no greater accountant than nature in the world yeah I feel it's like kind of a river and a dam that you can keep trying even if you're not meant to do it and then mahakal will come and say okay and then the river will flow with Force yes uh you'll probably progress really fast in the next book and in fact one of the things that happens often is that initial stages I when I deal with other upasakas younger and they're very promising and good people the initial stages when they start it's it goes like this very fast very fast lot of experiences you enjoy it suddenly it will come this Plateau that is your test how many people 70


this Plateau that is your test how many people 70 people will fall off in this stage because you'll get bored and there are other more exciting things in life and I am saying this in a non-judgmental way it's perfectly all right if you don't like it I have never in my life post anybody into vasana in fact my first principle is if anybody approaches me try to get him off get him off if this still sticks around and there are the propensities that he's meant to do it and is meant to do it through me that is also there he may be meant to do it but maybe he's supposed to get it from somebody else so I am not there to interfere in that process then I may give him one small what I feel intuitively or something like that and tell him and then nature will take care if he's serious if if everything is in set six months one year down the line the seed will start showing fruits then you can decide that with


start showing fruits then you can decide that with whether more guidance is required and how to you know go about interact and how to hand hold Etc necessary things but not as a guru because that's all there's a word called Serendipity it means that situations come together you know again it's the same thing that's effectively what you're saying that when situations come together progress will happen yes when it's meant to happen things will happen yes but um there is a feedback loop in nature so if you just wait that when situations will happen I will not do anything right now then the feedback loop is such that suppose you were you were to start a spiritual journey 10 years from now nature can put it 10 lifetimes from now because you're not making any effort now um gotcha all right the key is to maintain your discipline yes okay uh I have to ask you about those higher beings no because that was the theme of this episode and you just touched upon it


theme of this episode and you just touched upon it you said and asuras yeah I will let you break down each of those starting with both so very simply speaking what we call bhuta is uh discarnate entities entities who don't have a physical presence body like that and they may be roaming around in this plane some of them were alive also okay so their Tendencies are very much human and they have their own sets of uh just like that human beings are they they may like something just imagine a human being but without the physical body so some of them may have hunger some of them may have anger some of them may have lost you know various things Etc and for some reason or the other they remain Trapped In This Plane they're not able to progress further what do they do with that hunger and lust that's where the trouble comes in okay so if uh if they are agitated then they they are going to cause trouble to somebody other who may be around that same space so I told


who may be around that same space so I told you this astral and the physical are overlapping okay like where the physical plane is which is this plane around us astral is at the exact same place you just can't see what's happening it's like a piece of paper right on top you've kept exactly another piece of paper and you're looking from Top it looks like one piece of paper but there are two um and but causal is not you causal is much higher okay all right okay causal is like uh you have to lift yourself to the realm where all these things they'll all fall off they also don't know see there is just a beautiful episode of uh Swami uh tulsidas ji comes to mind there's a load story so he used to uh every day he was a devotee of Lord Rama and he used to go in the morning ablutions and all and Puja part finish and then the water used to come and drop under a banyan tree okay and 40 days 50 days has been


tree okay and 40 days 50 days has been dropping under the Banyan tree and suddenly one booth comes from down the tree he has been staying in that tree so the bhut says that I am very pleased with you because you are dropping that water I am feeling happy because there is a method of tarpana that is to be done but to satisfy the spirits basically it's done sometimes but he was not doing it with that idea he had no idea that there was anything in the tree it's just dropping the water the spirit comes and says that what do you want I want to give you say that but I was not doing to please you because I didn't even know you existed because it wouldn't doesn't matter you still ask and he says that show me where is Lord Rama and he says that if I knew I wouldn't be stuck here so then he says that but I will tell you how you can go to somebody who can teach you where is Rama since there


who can teach you where is Rama since there is a ramayana satsang that happens go there you will see that the person who comes in last and who goes at the very end a kind of a [ __ ] you go and hold his arms he's pleased with you he will teach you Lama and that was to come in that form to listen to the ramayana okay wow so the point of this story is that these Buddhas also do not have any idea about what is happening outside their knowledge is just as limited as human beings but they suffer from that anger and they suffer from that sometimes and they project that into anybody who comes in their environment or they may project it into and those are specifically those are pitrus pitrus means ancestors who have uh who are dead they're dead but they're stuck in a particular realm called pituloka which is also part of the astral plane that's true they asked this is all in the astral Dominion so when our ancestors


in the astral Dominion so when our ancestors dive they've not progressed to Heaven they get stuck in the astral not heaven heaven is fine rebirth if they are not able to take rebirth yes for some reason or the other okay so they very often will take out their problems on their living descendants because they have the strongest genetic connection and they are not even doing it consciously perhaps they they get angry that anger anger will be felt with whoever is the living descendant of that uh being and what does the living descendant do to get rid of there are rituals for this okay there are specific places where you have to go and do you cannot do these rituals at home okay the specific places where the right kind of Shakti or power is there for example in nasik is one of those Shiva temples where um certain kinds of ancestral problems can be solved I mean the panditjis there the priests they know this then the various other places one of the biggest places


the various other places one of the biggest places Kashi you can go but you not you can go also these kind of things are there without giving the name of the movie and the reason I'm not giving the name of this movie is because that was the whole plot of the film okay um they actually begin the film with the main actor trying to talk to his wife and she's just pissed off with him she's not listening Etc and over the course of the movie the main actor realizes he actually died and he's a ghost and he's trying to interact but she's not picking up on his presence and he's taking it as why are you upset with me right is this the reality of that plane that sometimes when your ghost you don't even know that you're a ghost and you're trying to interact but no one's interacting with you uh I initial stages it might be there is a sense of shock in fact one of the brother Disciples of Swami Vivekananda he had written a


Disciples of Swami Vivekananda he had written a very beautiful book called in Bengali I read it life beyond death or something like that in English translation so he mentions this sometimes death can feel like you are like right now you're here suppose there's a devastating earthquake that happens everything is flattened all the people you know are gone whole building is crumbled and you just next like you are sitting here around said next moment you see that nothing is there so that kind of shock and Devastation that will hit you sometimes death hits like this to some Souls and then it becomes very difficult for them to recognize or uh or accept the fact that they are not in the physical plane so they will try and find out people or try to communicate or something like that they're not ready to accept it what are we as living beings in their eyes that depends on who you are speaking about that you tell me so so if there is a normal uh isn't uh is an entity that is


normal uh isn't uh is an entity that is stuck somewhere after some time the realization does come to them that they are not in the physical plane Etc but if they're stuck and I'm talking about only those who are stuck those are progress that's well enough so they are going to cause disturbance to you try and block things for you and things like that basically they're trying to draw your attention attention to the fact that they still have unsatisfied desires uh it's like assume that you suddenly tomorrow you don't have the physical body but you still feel hunger what are you going to do it's a terrible state you are hungry but you don't have a body you can't eat various things like this so the rituals entail that in in in you know Dharma we until that uh we offer pindathana rice balls and other mantras specific food items on this specific tithies of departed ancestors uh things like that we do is there in a lot of cultures is there a


is there in a lot of cultures is there a lot of Asian cultures were offering food to that yes um when we speak about these horror movies or hauntings cases of hauntings are we talking just about Buddha or it could be it could be there are more dangerous than that it's called the preetha which is very angry type of spirit before we head into that Preta section you mentioned a very uh cool story about tulsidas meeting hanumanji do you think that that's where the Hanuman Chalisa was created no I think the Hanuman Chalisa came in later on but definitely tulsidas ji got full blessings of Lord Hanuman or because of that blessings he was able to produce such a superlative ramcharitmanas it's the amazing text but it was definitely the blessings of Lord Hanuman was there okay um why do you think the Hanuman Chalisa has this antique host power Ah that's because of this answer will again deviate from the central theme of your discussion that's


deviate from the central theme of your discussion that's what it's about yeah so certain deities are there in Dharma who have two specific propensities their excellent as protected date is Hanuman Lord Hanuman is one of them bhairava is another certain deities are there number one number two they respond faster certain deities are closer to the Earth plane then they respond faster hanumanji is one who is an immortal who's never given up his body so he's here in this plane so he will respond to your pure please faster than others specifically on certain areas now if you ask hanumanji I want to become the richest man on Earth you may not get that because his domain is strength Power Protection all these things instant you'll get that if you have devotion is correct okay same for Lord bhairava also he's he also protects very fast on the other hand if you have to call Lord Shiva the Shiva swarupa Mahadev he is in his samadhi it will take you nine ten lifetimes


samadhi it will take you nine ten lifetimes of calling before he responds he will be aware that you are calling but he may not be bothered to answer so easily wow that is precisely the power of Hanuman Chalisa it's a wonderful thing there's so many sadhanas that can practices that can be done just with the Hanuman Chalisa really let's talk about endless things let's talk about this because there is a lot of young Indians who are very into the Hanuman Chalisa including myself including sanjit like superb thing superb means superb thing in fact in uh in in I'm talking from the uh from the tantric perspective also so Hanuman ji is considered uh Lord Hanuman is considered in the tantric perspective is also considered as one of the protectors okay with the viras there are 52 Vedas okay Veer means there are powerful entities who protect an area any area it can be and there are these viras are modeled around the primary devathas so there


are modeled around the primary devathas so there is Hanuman Veer their worship is very popular there is nursing who is basically on Lord narasimha which is the Vishnu Etc so uh you invoke Their Blessings uh whether it's a disease related negative entity whether there is a spirit related negative entity whether something else if you keep doing Hanuman Chalisa with faith properly and there are sadness means suppose suppose you want to you know just for 40 days somebody decides that I want to do Hanuman Chalisa so you every day you sit and do at least 51 54 times 100 times Hanuman Chalisa it will take you one two hours but if you're fluent will be very fast you do this you maintain certain basic rules syllabus is one of them required for getting a higher experience of Lord Hanuman because he was the Honda brahmachari okay and you uh offer some Etc and after you finish your uh hanumanchal is a recital say 54 times 100 times calmly sit down and


say 54 times 100 times calmly sit down and meditate on the name of Lord Rama do this for 40 days you will have a transforming experience what do you mean calmly meditate on Lord Rama do you just say Rama Rama just that name power of the name is superlative he is hanumanji remains in this plane because he promised that as long as there is a name of Rama here he will be here okay and he is one of this best protected deities is the reason why he is so popular in response so fast in my opinion as I said I have seen people who are more devotees of Lord Hanuman than even of Lord Rama okay though Hanuman is considered as a bhakt of Rama precisely because he remains in the physical plane he has chosen not to leave this plane and go and that is why he is very fast If he if is pleased with a devotion if he's pleased with your call and you are in trouble some of the blessings and the


are in trouble some of the blessings and the beauty of it is that they are Gods so they don't have to physically come to you from wherever he maybe he can still get you protection just one blessing from you and he'll be protected it's like an armor armor absolutely okay protection from prathasachas uh yeah so I had a very deep seated fear of the dark when I was growing up and that's a big reason I was drawn even more to the Hanuman Chalisa especially when I would say that I would you know I have I mean obviously I've learned the Hanuman Chalisa over the course of my life but I began by reading it out of a book and when it was that line I would that's the book to my head saying be with me probably because I was always drawn to these topics uh throughout my life and they also say that when you speak about these topics you're actually inviting those energies near you so what we're doing here and maybe


near you so what we're doing here and maybe even the listeners listening they are kind of creating a sort of frequency that makes them one step closer to negative entries my Outlook on this is one going with faith in God uh and two uh when you have knowledge about Darkness it brings you closer to the light that's what I believe yes and the other thing is that in my opinion generally uh so it is one thing to be aware that there is a presence of this hierarchy of negative entities there because after uh so as I was saying Prieta is one of the most difficult more Angry type of things beyond that there are other pishachas and all that those are very dangerous very very dangerous let's speak out Peters now so so pritas are basically very angry type of spirits very angry they are completely they're like you know having a mad dog tied up are they formally human beings uh they could have been formerly human beings yes but they are in a very negative state


beings yes but they are in a very negative state where the karmas have been so uh Twisted that they are in a very negative State and off and on they may even be uh entities who have indulged in various kinds of negative practices maybe criminals very good passed away or yeah tantrix who use uh very violent kind of deaths very violent kind of deaths like what would be a very violent kind of well suppose somebody uh has an accidental death at a very young age okay or somebody commits suicide or something like that uh those type of uh very non-conventional violent and dangerous deaths can often end into making that Soul into a prata and therefore there are specific rituals done to calm down the pratham in the family it has to be done by the family in which family he or she was born okay lived otherwise they are going to definitely cause trouble okay all sorts of trouble what kind of trouble first of all they can bring diseases uh they can cause if


they can bring diseases uh they can cause if you're trying to work something they can cause obstruction and they can cause accidents also to family members one of the things you'll see sometimes if it's a very negative entity negative kind of whatever you try to do they're going to cause an obstruction and things will start turning negative you know whatever your effort is it will instead of producing the right result it's going to produce a wrong result and you'll see that out of the blue things are happening even after your best effort suddenly there's something it's like like uh you may even feel that perhaps it's not your destiny like weirdly uh you know strange negative and occurrences happen at a very close frequency and even that is not a final sign that it is you will have to still take advice from somebody who's capable in these things to to tell you even judging of horoscopes can jyotisha can tell you if there is a problem from a prata and things like that how do


problem from a prata and things like that how do you know as an everyday human that you're coming in contact with one and moreover you know again when we speak about these hauntings when you go to a house and some things are troubling you like they've shown this in Conjuring and that whole Conjuring movie series as well but those praitas uh I haven't seen the movie so I can't exactly comment but many of the air so from our perspective many of the negative entities that come in their culture would fall in some of these categories of prithas or Max to Max they may go up to categories of pisachas I feel okay okay because beyond that the entities that come in they are very they're so they don't beyond the um so the other thing the pishas are also very dangerous extremely dangerous it's like a mad Bull okay complete mad Bull can the prathas cause physical harm as well yes absolutely so many things they can cause diseases this that Etc accidents


they can cause diseases this that Etc accidents scratches on you very negative yes uh perhaps but this is more see these this is not exactly like a science so science means everything is perfect in the sinsky only a Preta can do this no it depends on how much power how much negative power it has in it okay but there are entities higher than that we can do okay can these things enter your dreams yeah definitely that's the place that can cause a lot of harm yeah that's why very higher order yogis sometimes don't sleep they are it's not possible for ordinary people but there are people who may spend 12 years 20 years never sleeping okay pass through a very haunted for lack of a better word place can things stick on to you yes why would they choose you over other people it's not about you it's just that you're passing through there so you're there at the wrong time at the wrong place but there is nothing wrong anywhere so that means that you must have had some karmic


that means that you must have had some karmic link with that entity some lifetime that is why you are there at that particular place at particular time uh to end up in that negative state with respect to that entity and what's a stupid way of inviting them to you oh there are so many ways there are some people who are very stupid so they think that they will do some kind of those uh you know those plus other Spirit calling see answers are all to not even step into those zones you don't know what you are calling and you will know it at a very late stage if at all something comes in and they come in very easily by the way it's not that difficult if you keep practicing for few days will start happening not at all that difficult but my point is this do not enter into this zone out of curiosity a either you are one of those people who are like an exorcist then enter into that but that is formal proper trained in entering which is very different


formal proper trained in entering which is very different it's just like you are entering into an army you don't you can't just say that tomorrow I want to go to the you know Army and start fighting so they make you go through training process so somebody who's an exorcist knows how to protect himself what needs to be done Etc and perhaps his Destiny is that he has to enter into that field for other people straight away do Persona of the main date is know how to protect yourself in case there is an overlap interaction sometimes that happens that is the best an average human being can do because the dark is also very powerful it doesn't end here if you go if you keep going you will eventually face lot of problems and uh not only you everybody connected to you so they have this thing by the way uh to cause trouble to you one of the easiest things is uh to your family people who are close they connect your father mother wife girlfriend of his friends Etc


your father mother wife girlfriend of his friends Etc somebody else gets into trouble you'll obviously get affected you are a family member you are living in society you are connected to so many dots here even why how many will you protect that is the thing with these things so have a basic idea of protection and that idea of protection cannot come until you first do basic you start to pass then only all these things problem with people is that they want these things but they neglect the primary root of this spiritual tree which is the the person of the date is in the way it is to be done okay uh also so uh they are more dangerous than uh pritas they are most likely entities who never incarnated many of them okay some of them did which is what is known traditionally as Brahma pisacha brahmap is basically somebody who is highly knowledgeable in these spiritual matters Etc but somehow they either misuse that knowledge or did not give it or became greedy or something like that holding


it or became greedy or something like that holding holding of knowledge uh not giving it to one who is fit for it so the text Shasta does not tell you that randomly give the knowledge to everybody uh but somebody who's fit for it and not to and still not the knowledge is passed on and nature then there's a holding of knowledge and the hoarding of this vidyas then such entities can such people can become what is known as Brahma they began as human beings they began as human beings but they're very Advanced human beings not ordinary human beings okay they're people who are top class super sakas in their life okay and then there are other of these entities which are not human at all which were not they're very dangerous they are by and large the average conception and the imagination of war is negative in the world all falls in this category only they're like mad Bulls they will just attack and attack and attack things like that then there are various types of in there also there


then there are various types of in there also there are various types of things there's something known as some people do version of that also uh known as just like pishachas are there something else Pisha chili It's a female form of the Vishal which is some people do passion of that so they will come and tell you in your various things that are happening okay but catches that there they uh they can so if you're doing a higher upasana you cannot do these things the moment you start chanting they will not come near they don't like the vibration of those mantras whether the Shiva Vishnu Durga Etc immediately they'll go I believe this is what we call Gins as well so uh now I'm I don't know fully but I have some idea of what the jinns are a broad term to use the wide range of things from Buddha to everything they call fall under the Gin category in my understanding of uh what genes are and um they're there definitely there are


genes are and um they're there definitely there are ways to counter them work is ways to counter just like the uh protection I am not talking about anything else that you know fighting them you know not to go into that domain and pick up a fight that's stupid but self-protection is very much possible and self protection both for these entities as well as from jinns and other things very much Possible only thing is there's certain differences in the way it is to be done where are they oh they are they are confined to domains they will not they will not be in a room like this can roam around they are confined to specific areas that have extreme negative energy uh extreme negative energy very dark settings very fill the settings very often they will be surrounded with extreme kind of foul order okay these are there various other things those are experts they'll tell you more things but these are some of the primary things a recurring foul order which you cannot find a source from which means that you your


cannot find a source from which means that you your house is next to some drain or something some drainage leak is happening now that you know where it is coming from you can fix it but their presence often brings about a complete foul smell in that area okay and they are extremely negative they're unreasonable irrational you cannot uh those entities you cannot um talk to or judge what's their interest in human beings uh influence getting things done in the world everybody likes attention it is their way of getting attention possibly also because they're confined to that one place that is there but also it's like spreading your uh uh power power or influence so if you have power how do you know that you have power unless you executed you don't know your power so it is their nature to cause these kind of disturbances if you are unfortunate enough to be in the vicinity or enter into that zone and remain unprotected so one thing that I picked up from this whole peshaja conversation is that angle of


from this whole peshaja conversation is that angle of influence um what does that truly mean for the modern city human or the material life-oriented human and are they human beings in the world today who are rich famous successful powerful as a result of them listening to these beings uh I can't say yes or no because I don't have any direct experience of I hardly know anybody who's that rich so the question does not arise for me but otherwise um in theory it is you cannot discount it but then I don't have any direct evidence to say that you know the rich and the famous somehow the other are engaged in any kind of practices that have made them that on the other hand there is a wide amount of popularity of this the occult aspect of Tantra where you can influence things uh by specifically two classes of people one engaged in politics and the other in films you wait you're talking as a general thing all over the world uh India I'm not even outside of India I


world uh India I'm not even outside of India I don't know I'm talking about India and that's because why um some of the maximum so in in technically we call this as prayogas means an application of a power there's nothing negative in it it can be for anything so you are somebody's sick somebody messages [Music] something like that I do some Japan for him okay that just a simple to the deity I worship that please cure that person against you that's an application of power but their technicalities involved more this is giving a simplistic understanding but there are more details understanding so this thing happens across India across India and all temples certain places it happens much more than others namakaya it happens a lot uh ujjain it happens mahakal Temple a few other places it happens a lot uh because I keep going there for my upasana or my own practices I keep traveling to various temples so I get to see them so uh these two


so I get to see them so uh these two broad classes of people get these kind of prayogas done very often uh either not only for positive aspects which means that to boost their career and things like that but also very often to remove enemies from the path or side track of various things so they do the full full scale of it where does karma come into play karma is always waiting it's but the thing is that human beings are like that we if the greed is like that we want it right now karma can well we'll see when Karma comes we'll see like that so there is this you know the beautiful uh question that yudhisthira was asked um by yaksha yaksa is a kind of higher positive being yeah okay in the lake in Mahabharata various questions were there very famous then he asks that what is the greatest Wonder in the world says that every day we are seeing people dying yet everybody believes I am not going to die um well this is how you


not going to die um well this is how you operate in the world okay so same with Karma I just let me get this done first Karma will see later okay okay um I mean when you use these things for your own material ambition there's no free lunches in life right what's the outcome you are paying some price yes what is the price you're paying so the question is I'm taking say I'm assuming your question for from positive point of view positive when you're using it for career progression key um you know matara come to me and give me more money what are you paying in return first of all at any given point when we are praying to the deity as I said in the in the I think the previous episode I mentioned that all kinds of avichar or Blackmagic start from the human heart okay the moment you have the desire that XYZ has to be done Etc and then uh then you go and execute it in a more in a manner that has higher chances of success


in a manner that has higher chances of success that's all the the process is showing it is not making a moral judgment it is not even taking responsibility of the karmite is your karma okay you make a mistake and you will do now uh karmic repercussion is always there for everything there's no doubt about it one is that you worship the deity and then you pray to her there is no no karmic consequence of a prayer you can pray but remember one thing you are the one who is praying the one who will grant the prayer has complete right to reject your prayer also if that is there in your mind you are free no problem but the moment you want no I am not satisfied with the prayer I need an exact execution of this result and there are methods of doing that also there's not uh our our Dharma is brilliant it is given absolutely stunning methods D to Z depending on where you are so there will be a consequence of that some payment


so there will be a consequence of that some payment somebody is very sick somebody is having a trouble uh somebody uh having a specific problem and to remove that problem say another individual does prayoga of a of a very powerful mahavidya one of the most powerful popular mahavidyas results also come but some consequence this person will have to face whether he gets an injury he gets some issues at the other because the balancing of nature will always happen the one way to get out of this which is very difficult is that you first attend to a connection with one of the your ishta devatha and you do a prayoga not for smaller material gains it's only when there's a permission from the deity deity says that you can do this then you know that he or she is going to take care of the karma it's not your headache your your job at the highest stages of sadhana your job is to blindly follow what the devatha is telling you but higher stages initial stages you


is telling you but higher stages initial stages you don't have any contact you don't understand only what the rate is trying to say but yes I have seen some people who are very good in helping others and they're doing positive things by the way okay somebody is sick somebody's not getting a job somebody has a lot of loans things like that and they do normal upasana of their deity and they try to help those people help also happens miraculously help happens but there is always a karmic payback on their own lives always either they will fall sick or something or the other um these things happen I mean this is the way it is there are no free lunches in nature once you understand that then the intelligence is to know that can you handle that Karma before even entering into that somebody's throwing a ball at you one of my gurus is to somebody's throwing a ball at full space first you know that can you hand hold that ball it should not be