very good singers also okay tremendous then there are something you know the skinners are absolutely fascinating dancers they're the best of their dancers and once in a while in fact one of those beings when they incarnate on Earth they'll end up being absolutely stunningly powerful in that domain they'll be will come back to this these because these are other topics so yeah I still just want to dive a little bit deeper into this constitution of the body so these constitution of the body so basically there is these Thula sharira which is this integrated with it it's not for most people it's integrated is your emotional body look at it that way emotional body is your portal to the astral World okay whatever emotions you feel good bad Etc how you develop that a lot of upasana sadhana when you're doing worship of a deity you're trying to develop the emotional body okay so that it's uh it becomes more steady it has the capacity to take the energy of the deity so


the capacity to take the energy of the deity so this is what the astral realm is and it contains astral realm contains in the outside world higher beans and lower beans also what we call both things like that negative entities and all that they also inhabit the astral worlds okay these things in a way and very if I if I kind of dump things down into a statement the whole idea of Heaven and Hell naraka and swarga that we have is all in the astral domain everything the higher Realms of Estelle or lower and it's just like the world there is as I said seven billion six billion people are there so innumerable entities are there of all kinds some benevolent some malevolent some indifferent to you just like that it's just like the world and you follow the same cautions if you go out on the road you follow the cautions of when you meet an ordinary person or an average Outsider same cautions you'll have to follow perhaps more than that if you were to Traverse into these


more than that if you were to Traverse into these zones like possibly going out at night is yeah dangerous than going out in the day those times so there are certain zones you would be careful of entering and secondly uh uh there are many things involved actually on this so but this is a domain you will have to pass through you cannot bypass the astral by the way so if you when you're trying to make a spiritual progress what you are doing is your own energy need energy we have a term for it we call it Shakti okay it's just it's a technical term that's used Shakti which is the flip side of what is more popularly known as Kundalini okay so basically when your Kundalini is awakened through some practice it is trying to pass to the Realms it's basically passing from the material realm which is the the gross world into the as children's one after the other one after the other it's going to cross you'll have to explain what Kundalini is so


you'll have to explain what Kundalini is so Kundalini is basically a hidden Divine very simply put a Divine energy that is there to a degree in every individual who's born but for 99.99 of people it remains in a sleeping State as long as it is sleeping you are functioning as a well integrated individual so how do we Define an integrated individuals so you have friends family Etc you're speaking your rational everybody likes you all that that is a well integrated individual okay the spiritual practice whatever practice you do whether you do yogas kriya yoga this that or even tantric upasana it's trying to awaken this Force but not consciously and there is a catch and this is a very complicated topic actually once this awakens it will start making a journey within you that power will start Awakening and Rising within you uh through the deepest Channel this is a subtle channel it's not a physical Channel mind you it's a subtle channel it's a part of your astral


a subtle channel it's a part of your astral body exactly it's called the sushum nanadi it will pass a channel it will pass to that and as it goes it will pass to various Realms one after the other one after the other two parts which are all within you as we speak but also outside see this is important to understand not everything inside and outs it's like just like a computer Sports okay so just like that your body has each of these so-called chakras which do not have any physical Presence by the way so these are Confluence of various multiple nadis at specific points in the body and um they are points through which you can access various realms okay now as Shakti arises inside you it opens up this opens up this opens up this once it opens up you are able to communicate or whatever integrate with that but there is a and that is where this becomes risky because as I said the astral world is all types of things so there once it opens up opens


types of things so there once it opens up opens up is good but what do you do after that and that is where you will need solid guidance because otherwise there are more people who fall down with these kind of experiences than people who integrate them properly in their life and after this little bit of the kundalinity movement when it starts your normal life is going for a toss first of all your perspective of everything is going to change that's like you can't deny money you you would not be able to deny the reality you are in the same room with the same set of friends but what you are seeing what you are experiencing what you are hearing your Pancha India five sense organs uh they have the inputs that they get are slightly different from the inputs that other people are getting at the same space because of this and I'm just dumbing it down very much to explain it to you because there are many complications in this but more or less as you go higher as this Kundalini


or less as you go higher as this Kundalini awakens your access to these astral planes become stronger okay this is a great uh point you've mentioned so basically it's like a brain has filters which filters out a lot of stuff because if we were able to see that stuff yeah lost our minds yeah absolutely and it's around us now as we speak yes but your gross body consciously blocks out because maybe your soul is not ready to experience those experiences right now if you also begin to spiritually advance and you chase this process of making your Kundalini rice those filters get removed from your brain yes and then you're able to start seeing things but you need to be mentally spiritually ready to be able to see those things and experience those things otherwise you'll lose your mind so here uh just small interjection because a lot of viewers will be seeing this so the conscious aim is not in my opinion the conscious sin should be not be too I have to awaken the Kundalini because that is


have to awaken the Kundalini because that is disastrous it's it's a power you cannot describe it it only once it hits somebody you'll realize it it's got money it's it's tremendously powerful it's like an atom bomb inside sort of and it moves at the speed of your thought okay this is faster than the speed of light if you ask me speed of thought is faster than your speed of light speed of light is the physical phenomena and the physics and all that is there in thought right at this moment you can reach the sun whereas light takes eight minutes to reach from Sun okay it moves at the speed of your thought and the other thing is yeah so conscious aim is not to awaken the Kundalini conscious aim has to be to reach the higher Realms of divinity where you come to the devatha who is all powerful who knows who's the ishwara Okay you mean connecting with God yes connecting with God but I prefer to use the term devatha only reason is because in


to use the term devatha only reason is because in our culture we look at it that way so I I may be connecting to Shiva you may be connecting to Krishna somebody all of them are Gods by the way when we use the term only God there is one single or no there are each of these are equally Gods okay there's no difference about any of them only the part may be slightly different so Shiva you have to offer the bail bhatra and to Krishna you offered the Tulsi leave okay that's about it but Kundalini is like a power that accelerates your path and safely handling for individual is impossible you need the grace of a very powerful Guru to handle this um Buddha mahavir Guru nanak Dev ji did these people also have a risen Kundalini because they're also human beings to begin with and then they became evolved over the course of the LIE time or they were born as already evolved beings so River was there Kundalini


already evolved beings so River was there Kundalini also risen according to you it's also two parts in this question as I see one is that did they have an awakened Kundalini absolutely it doesn't matter what you call it it is going to happen okay whatever name you want to put to it you may also not want to acknowledge it consciously that is fine because it's possible that some of the Masters may not want because if their uh their Divine mission was to spread uh the Dharma two various or say the Ordinary People I want to inspire them to a specific kind of worship you cannot introduce terms like Kundalini so easily there because it's fraught with danger so if I if I want to tell them that you do this particular text say in the uh you know in Maharashtra for example Maharashtra you have this great workari Saints um great Saints are there so they introduced the ganeshwari guitar are two ordinary people who you know have with the initiation with


ordinary people who you know have with the initiation with devotion they chanted Etc so in that if you were to introduce too much of there is some reference to this in this text but if you were to introduce too much esoteric processes it's difficult for people to get this so you do something you say that okay let's not think about Kundalini let's think about the devada let's think about Devotion to the deity let's think about how do I uh get closer to the deity bhakti bhakti it through it Kundalini will awaken also it will happen in the background process bhakti's Blind Faith towards Humanity yes and you don't have to and you purification of bhakti is important initial stages bhakti will not be perfect so you do processes that is where the sadhana comes in okay so that your bhakti becomes more pure and purer and as bhakti becomes purer that will trigger these things so in one set question uh if you ask that did these


one set question uh if you ask that did these people have kundalin experiences all of them Tandra says that there's nobody no spiritual progress is possible without a Kundalini experience whether you call it that or any other the name you call it is going to happen Okay but a Kundalini is also there are many nuances in this okay and the other part of the question that you had did where they evolved so there is some um some Fitness of things by the way that is there for very high grade of spiritual Evolution if a person has to have then he or she must have had gone through lifetimes of tremendous preparation practice something like that so those signs will already be manifesting from a young age it is let's put it this way it takes lifetimes of effort so um so for somebody who's very perceptive if they see a child like that or something like that they will figure out that this is in fact Buddhas vajrayana Buddhists have this system where the


vajrayana Buddhists have this system where the llamas when they reach a very high state so that they can continue their opasana they ensure a specific kind of rebirth they have the capability of doing that and before death they'll mention Clues okay that I may be born here and this and that signs will be there and then there are occult processes uh occult means um through oracular processes and other things they find out that who is this incarnated llama what was he doing in his past life and then from a very young age they will take him into the monastery and start training him back into the practices which he was doing okay so that it kind of saves time and they're very good at this they have been doing this for centuries Etc so in a way yes some Fitness is there it may not be that you are born with a Kundalini awakened some Fitness is there you still have to go through the process you have to do nothing is going no one is going to serve


do nothing is going no one is going to serve you a full plate of food and just eat no so you have to still struggle and that's uh specifically for those great Saints who are who come for what in Sanskrit we call as local which is helping the masses so they have to show that how they have had to struggle for this it's not that I was born with it so then people will see you're born with it what will I I'm not born with it why should I do it it won't happen for me but they say no it has happened through practice through the process through following this path so if it has happened for one it may happen for you also so you do that let's also talk about the downside uh to having a Kundalini that rises too early before you're ready for it I've heard all sorts of stories but what's the spiritual truth about this do you actually lose your mind can you get some sort of a brain stroke I've read things like


some sort of a brain stroke I've read things like this yes and it can be very very dangerous and in fact there is a term that is used sometimes to refer to this it's like the lightning creeper with it's like a lightning as fast as it rises it can make you fall that fast into a condition worse than that when you started if it happens unrestricted unrestricted means out of the blue it kind of happens sometimes once in a while there may be cases somebody have had an accident or something and suddenly that it gets triggered obviously if a triggering happens to an accident that means that some lifetime they must have practiced it without practice is not going to happen an accident means what I have seen cases like this just like that in accident at that see uh what is the Kundalini you have to understand a little bit more which is basically it remains for average human being it's sleeping it's completely sleeping but suddenly when it awakens it requires a


sleeping but suddenly when it awakens it requires a triggering state it's not going to happen if a comfortable lifestyle is going on that trigger may be through stress through pain through something like that through intense spiritual practices or if you are Arjuna in the battlefield suddenly the realization comes to you that you are going to kill your relatives you can't do that so you're running away so that's a stressful condition of the mind okay so you have to get out of the normal Zone normal comfort zone has to be lost so sometimes it may happen in the case of just a sudden accident or something has happened in in that state it got triggered automatically once in a while okay I'm not saying it's very common but happens so there it will be very difficult to integrate because you don't know what to do with it afterwards it's very difficult it's like suddenly photos may open up and suddenly even start seeing things Etc most people will put you straight into mental Asylum


most people will put you straight into mental Asylum doctors will put you into medicines you will not know what to do and on top of that if your belief system does not support this then you are even more screwed there's nothing no help so you think there are people currently in mental asylums who have an awakened Kundalini uh and I can't say but possibility is there one I mean I'm not saying that every person who is uh in a mental Kundalini but there's a possibility that if you take thousand one thousand people like that from until slms who are completely raving man it's possible that a few of them actually have had a Kundalini disaster and you're saying once it rises it stays no to make it stay to make it rise safely smoothly that's where all the sadhana processes come in okay so all these people who get it done by accident but they are not spiritually ready what does the actual reality become what do they see uh that


actual reality become what do they see uh that you cannot put a single definition to it it depends on the individual that's why I said that Kundalini is one term or an umbrella the the way it arises in an individual is not going to be the same for everybody there will be subtle differences for some people it may start they may start your indrias which is the five senses through which you operate in this world may suddenly become very sharp one or two of them so you may start hearing things you may start seeing things you may start smelling things and that's very common by the way um I don't know if you have recently there was a film that uh kind of uh became very popular in kannada which is the kanthara that we have seen like very much liked it there are certain scenes they were showing in their film where the protagonist of the of the movie he hears certain things okay and there's a the approach of the deity when it comes he hears


approach of the deity when it comes he hears certain like the sound of jewelry etc etc so those are all typical signs of when the Kundalini is awakened to the higher planes etc etc so these are okay experiences in the negative side it may suddenly open you up to astral planes where there are all sorts of dangerous entities and you will get scared you'll lose your sleep you lose your mind foreign I wanna know this angle like that you're an actual Tantra practitioner and for those of you who are tuning into this podcast for the first time you need to check out the first episode to understand um rajaji service experiences what did you like about that movie I have not seen it yet and I intend on seeing it but everyone from entrepreneurs to mainstream Bollywood to people like yourself are talking about this movie why is a movie special oh because uh something in the last 15-20 minutes of that movie is beyond acting it was like what is called as is a


acting it was like what is called as is a term we use called avesham where the deity enters into an individual and that is part of the sadhana it will happen everywhere whatever date you are worshiping the higher ranges the deity will enter and this phenomenon happens across India in Hindu Hinduism okay and it's not even a new thing in villages it happens you'll see whether you go to the foothills of the Himalayas in Bengal side we have a term we call means deity taking possession of you so possession is not the abrahamic idea position is that it's a negative thing for us no position can be a Divine thing in fact one of the oldest texts mentioned that a man gets liberated when Shiva possesses a person a deity can possess you and as I was saying your highest state of Boston is when the deity is inside of your body okay then then who are you that's the big question are you ranveer are you the are


big question are you ranveer are you the are you the God okay so this is a very Hindu concept this is on this lies so many things concepts of arubasana and in that movie in the last part of it there is a the main devatha who's whatever is the storyline Etc and he has a shatrapala and the shatrapala possesses the protagonist and he fights against certain enemies that scene that is there it was not it cannot be acted there is some shift in the energy very clearly and later I read I was curious that how did it do it so I read some interviews and all that and he actually stopped eating uh non-veg food 20 days before that movie and those last few days he survived in coconut water and he had help from people who are more advanced to passacas of that path so they told me what to do it's like he enters into that zone and that energy gets transmitted into the screen that's why people once they see it after


the screen that's why people once they see it after that when they're alone even in front of the group they may say oh okay it's just a movie but once they're alone it hits you it's you that what is it what did I say it's the same thing that will happen if you're a non-believer you'll run away from it and you'll say oh it's just Superstition I don't want to think about it that's the way of protecting your mind from reality of that kind of a liminal reality and if you're a Believer you'll just fold your hand and say what did I see okay um without giving any spoilers can you give the plot of the movie a little bit for people who've not seen it and we have international listeners as well uh so the plot is very simple it's a conflict between a village and uh certain government officials who want to you know it stays in a forested area inside sometimes in interior Karnataka and basically there are um two there's a king


and basically there are um two there's a king who used to live there and the king one day decided that I want to go out in search of Peace So he goes out and he finds two devatas one is uh protector of that Village and then there is another boar like a deity like a boar okay like we have varahavatar which divisions similarly he's called panjiruli Deva okay so those are the two local manifestations of the devathas and he tells them that I he feels very peaceful when he comes in front of them and then there is an oracle Oracle when somebody in the village who gets possessed by the deities and he speaks for the deities so he tells him that uh you can't take the two devatas devathas manifest in a stone or just the way we do murti upasana same way you can take them you'll have tremendous peace but in return you'll have to ensure that the village is given to the Villages this land is given


is given to the Villages this land is given to the Villages and they are not Disturbed Etc so he takes it he says that okay I promise make a promise and then the gods tell him that if you break this promise or later generation anybody breaks This Promise then the shatrapala is not going to leave you so if you make a promise to a deity it's a very serious matter it's not like human beings then eventually the movie goes into that there are later generations of that individual who wants to uh you know he's dead then few Generations later they want that Forest land back because it's very high priced you know they can sell it and things like that that lends into a conflict with the Villagers so this is that how does this conflict gets resolved is the movie while in the process the main uh main protagonist of the movie he is somebody who belongs to a family of these priests who gets the devatadavesham of the deity and he tries to run


of the deity and he tries to run away from his Destiny he doesn't want to do that if the movie shows that he has no interest in it his everything else he's doing in life but the moment is asked to do this no I don't want to do that okay but the deities are like this he has a chosen Destiny so the devatha keeps manifesting signs to him there are dreams that are happening he's hearing voices etc etc eventually it brings into a culmination where he finally gets possessed by the deity and in that state it's it's beautiful it's like it's Indescribable how that last few scenes come out in the movie so that's why I think it's a wonderful movie and the spiritual Concepts shown within the movie are based on actual exactly those are those are real Concepts he wasn't making anything up that is precisely how uh devada happens in Dharma and by the way this comes concept of being possessed is not at all a new thing by


being possessed is not at all a new thing by a deity it's there from The Vedic times it's there in the Mahabharata it's there in uh you know various other texts in fact uh in the previous podcast I was just referring to something uh when you do a person of a devatha you do something known as nyasa which is basically you place specific mantras in different parts of the body why because you divinate the body what happens if you realize the body you will have a little bit of Ovation of the deity in fact as you go to higher what is possession by the deity not fully but little bit little bit of possession by the devatha of the energy of the deity will enter into you and that energy will do the opasana through you your own effort is not enough to reach there upasana is practice practice any practice you are doing So eventually at the highest stages the person realizes that even his efforts are not his efforts it is he or she


are not his efforts it is he or she whom he is worshiping the devatha the god whoever is blessings of the deity who enters into you his or her Shakti enters into you and gets these practice done through you and that happens through a mild amount of Aviation mild or more avisham depends that's the practice um the director of the movie rishabh Shetty has also come to the Forefront and he's kind of the Mind behind this concept of kantara okay so uh I'm sure he had some idea about these Concepts and that's how he of course manifested but on a more spiritual level is it the choice of the deities around us to have movies like that come to the Forefront and Concepts like this come to the Forefront we have a podcast like this five years ago I wouldn't have dared to do it as a content creator why do I dare to do it now and and we get deeply criticized for doing podcasts like this right so I can


for doing podcasts like this right so I can feel Maya pulling me trying to pull me back and then I can feel tarama making me meet people like yourself I firmly believe and it's absolutely firmly believed there is some shift that has happened because this kind of this kind of a movie would be impossible even few years ago for various reasons okay not just impossible I mean when I think of it so I was whatever news I get is from the newspapers obviously I don't know any of these people um so they thought it will be some kind of a low budget just okay okay film and run in the you know local people how Word of Mouth it spreads like wildfire then gets translated into Hindi and throughout in Calcutta I'm amazed that the show has been running for so long and I I see people at one of the shows and after that at the end scene it's like organically there is people who are like folding hands and all that I mean then they will


folding hands and all that I mean then they will question your rational mind kicks in and what am I doing like because you are not accustomed to doing this because the moment you come face to face with a reality like this I do believe that there is a tremendous shift that is perhaps coming in this country uh in the world I don't know about the world I am really I am focused more on the in this land okay well maybe I don't know I've never traveled outside India so I have no idea okay but here yeah definitely there is some shift that is happening as if some of the old gods are waking up and when they get a thing done they have one of these things if a deity blesses a creative Endeavor we eat a movie Beat anything it will cause a tremend this kind of the kind of reaction that you're seeing to the movie you know no no a book it's cult following that I'm seeing cult following of the movie that is happening this cannot


following of the movie that is happening this cannot happen only by you can plan things you can be the best director and the best actor and whatever greatest creative genius you cannot plan this reaction it happens through transmission of the Shakti of the devata somehow the other it got captured in the screen and whoever saw that movie it left an impression on the mind and it has its own way of working that's all we can say do you think Tara was blessing this podcast why not I mean as I was saying just before coming to this podcast I finished uh sadhana of matara and it went very well so I was very pleasantly surprised and very happy to see so that's how as I said if the deities are happy they'll always point you that okay I'm here I'm watching you it's like that yeah it happens I wish there was a way for listeners and viewers to feel the energy in this room right now even Sanchez manjoda feeling whatever you and me


even Sanchez manjoda feeling whatever you and me are feeling right now and this is not like a podcast experience we've had in the past I feel the podcast itself has hit some new um Zone not just through this episode but some of the episodes we've recorded lately have just been much more intense um keeping that in mind so we spoke about India right and then I mentioned the world we had someone called ambika Devi on the show um she is a Hare Krishna devotee okay um you know she's from Colombia originally okay her mother was a practicing Exorcist okay and had dealt with Satanism had dealt with uh D possessions exorcisms basically uh she and her family actually had been affected by the things that she was curing the people okay from so save a demon this is what Amica Devi relayed on the show ready for demon possessed someone some negative energy possess someone her mom would go and do the exorcism and then those negative energies would attack the


exorcism and then those negative energies would attack the mom and the family of the uh exhaust system while growing up she had witnessed a lot of crazy things she had seen figures in her house etc etc um on that same podcast we spoke about another movie called hereditary okay it's on Netflix it's a very dark movie uh I've watched a lot of horror movies in my life horror movies scare you but they give you a bit of a thrill this one stays with me even now and I'm washing it off till today just the thoughts of that movie it didn't have too many jump scares only the climax had a few jump scares okay but just the whole plot the concept it was based on was very creepy and the way you talk about kantara and how it's a coming to the Forefront of positive energy yeah that's where uh ambika Devi said that the actual stuff according to Catholicism according to Christianity the darks aspects of um Satan all that was legitimately


aspects of um Satan all that was legitimately shown in that movie The Way We have mantras in our country right like our chance there are satanic Johns and those satanic chance who put into that movie okay okay and that movie spread like wildfire in a parallel way in terms of Word of Mouth Etc uh so while we have positive energy rising in one part of the world or maybe the world in general is the negative energy also trying to rise and like pull it back down and that's one part of the question secondly I would like to talk about Satan in general what does our country say about Satan the devil all that do we have a concept like that okay uh so the first part is that so there is always going to be when we're talking about the astral planes there is always going to be both the good and the bad okay bad means those that cause harm now those that cause harm there's a very interesting thing you have to understand they cause harm because it is their


to understand they cause harm because it is their Dharma to cause harm the duty your duty as a human being is your Dharma the God has it devathas have their own Dharma they have their own Dharma it's like you are asking that why is a tiger biting because that's the natural thing for it to do this is Dharma okay you are judging from your perspective that is harmful for you that's very good but this whole process assumes that you are at the center of the universe human beings love to think that we are the center of the universe but these entities are for various reasons they behave in certain ways there's no doubt about it and yes uh in even at a very uh global scale I cannot say because uh I really don't know if there is an Awakening of the negative forces uh these entities but in general It is believed that as Kali yoga progresses these things will start manifesting more strongly okay there's no doubt in that sense one way


okay there's no doubt in that sense one way and the other is that from a very let's come down to an individual scale so if you are practicing any any kind of devada and your upasana is hitting the right notes so you are going closer to the deity as I said there are Realms of devotees one is the state the nursery level so no offense to them it's all good the way they are doing Etc and one is that he's taken is upasana the practice to the level where he's coming close to the 80s there are innumerable entities who will straight away come and start putting problems in your path and the deities will be aware but he will he or she will not interfere really oh yes that's so that's the test of your commitment how is it the test of your commitment that's because you have to pass through them test if your commitment means how serious are you because that realm if you reach the realm of it you are effectively Not a


reach the realm of it you are effectively Not a Human Being anymore the energy of the devatha is inside you your so what me what does it mean not to be a human being you are not affected by sorrow you are not affected by depression you are not which is the standard thing for all of us okay there's today it's good as they very colloquial it said today it's summer tomorrow it's winter those Cycles are going on it doesn't matter how good are you or how try Etc whatever you're trying Etc to transform go beyond that stage where you are unaffected by this where you are effectively like a deity a God among staying among humans that kind of a level you can reach you know in our path in Dharma that's very much possible I'm saying the highest I'm not saying everybody can reach there but how do why do you think the reaching there will be going to a smooth flow for everybody every bit of it you will be tested every step and and it's


it you will be tested every step and and it's like this hundred meter or maybe a this marathon races are there I don't know how many kilometers and all that towards the last uh say it's a hundred meter 90 meter it's fine last 10 meters every step you'll be tested and the dative will be fully aware that the testing is going on when you say testing because of these negative entities on a very practical basis what happens they try attacking you they will put disturb your practice first of all sexually a lot of things anger lust these are two primary things they'll put anger and lust in your head increase so yes not only that and not just head bring you into situations where there will be a easiest way to lose the energy that you build up through your practice is anger and lust when you say bring you into situations you mean that these entities are also higher beings so they are capable of manipulating reality a little bit everything in the astral plane can manipulate


little bit everything in the astral plane can manipulate reality everything the reality that we experience as human beings absolutely okay just again for an example so say you've been praying you've been meditating you're growing spiritually okay um and you go out to meet your friends and then the place you're going out at there'll be a sexually attractive person who comes to you and really is forward with you so you'll be tempted to sleep with that person that's a good example of what you're saying that's why that's one example of that you're saying what I'm trying to say that's very much possible so if you are suppose let's this example only let's build on this example so you are in the middle of a specific what I was saying means you have already taken a sankalpa that okay I am doing this practice for the six months promise promise to the deity and your practice is going really well so right at that time this kind of uh societal environment suddenly gets created where you end


uh societal environment suddenly gets created where you end up meeting somebody and you feel tremendously attracted towards that individual and you end up sleeping with that individual and that specific practice what you're doing entails that you may have to maintain certain degree of celibacy during that period so the moment you do that your practice Falls and you will not get the result anymore in fact you may even fall depending on what practice it is and more details of it you may even fall lower than the condition that you are in initially just by having sex once depends see here is the thing if you are married so it depends these are you cannot what I'm giving is a broad formula it changes based on the devatha you are doing what practice you are doing or more or less uh unrestricted sexual activity is a easy way for downfall in the spiritual path unless you are very sure what kind of karmas that person has who is it that you are sleeping with what is that person's Tendencies inside because


sleeping with what is that person's Tendencies inside because this is the easiest way to explain take karmic load from the karmas of that other person is to unrestricted sexual activity number two is anger anger is very very uh in one shot throws away things but here is another catch certain devatas if you worship deities Gods you worship there will be an upsurge of anger because it is the nature of the deity but there it's a tricky situation you have to control that there are practice that is why the traditional field traditional approach to the tantric person of devatas there are parivara's family of deities we have to worship so they each one has its own role if you are worshiping tremendously and you're going very deep into Shakti vasana say you're worshiping mahakali for example or matara even for that matter our conception of matarash is quite Fierce okay which is very fast and very Fierce it is naturally going to cause some amount of increase in aggression I


going to cause some amount of increase in aggression I know uh just day before I was somebody who does upasana I know her for quite some time so she had mailed me this exact thing was this that she has been worshiping uh one of the mahavidas and a very simplistic worship not even the complicated worship but she does it very diligently and beautifully she does it but there's an increase in Anger tremendous and a Detachment from everything okay that's what the date is you you were in the same situation same house same people but suddenly you are a little bit more you are there but you're not there the part of you comes out of you and he looks at your own life and everything and you see that okay these are my friends these are my families this is everybody but this is because Nature has created with circumstances maybe next life they may not be there or maybe some other equation will be there either way but there is also the increase of anger that happens


there is also the increase of anger that happens and there it is important to calm that down one of the ways to calm that down that is why in shaktivasana worship of Shiva becomes very important to do abhishekam of Shiva properly done regularly calms down the Mind comes down low out of energies he is the ability to digest anything he is mahadeva that is mahadeva he can digest everything and he can still remain unaffected by it it's a lot to absorb but I have so many questions about Satan especially after watching that movie just curiosity and specifically without giving too many spoilers away about hereditary uh it was about one of Satan's servants he has I think seven demons which are not to be mixed with seven sins it's seven Servants of his and the way we pray to deities like how we spoke about Sivan Shakti right now you're supposed to pray to one of the Demons for that Demon's particular abilities okay I'm not even going to take


particular abilities okay I'm not even going to take the name of the demon so it's it's in my head and every time it's in my head I wash it off with one of our mantras uh it starts from p and it was such a creepy movie you could you could feel the presence of that particular demon in that movie in scenes the way you spoke about kantara and you said that maybe that deity possessed the hero right right here you can see within the acting of those actors that it's not them doing it to a certain degree like I was trying to show sanjit the movie and he just stopped watching the first 10 minutes he was like I'm not gonna see this and it's not even scary the first 10 minutes but you feel the creepy shadowiness of it Taking Over You um what is this whole side of things and does Hinduism have an equivalent of this and when we say that particular demon let's call it P demon okay uh you know P demon that's


P demon okay uh you know P demon that's not a joke but um when you worship these things like P demon I'll tell you the Christianity aspect of it they say that initially it will give you a lot of the things you want your material wishes but it takes something in return and if you don't obey it enough uh it comes after you it makes your life hell it gives you scary experiences painful experiences there are also then lots of conspiracy theories attached to it saying that a lot of the successful materially successful people in the west have prayed to either one of these demons or Satan uh again this is not my input or a reality that I vouch for these are all conspiracy theories uh it's just things I want to discuss Okay so what's your opinion on all this okay so from our perspective I can only speak from what um though I do have some experience uh with I've had some experience with Western occultists too even before I fully entered into


Western occultists too even before I fully entered into Tantra I knew quite a few were very powerful but that's different matter but do they do like a western version of Tantra uh no they have their processes I won't call it Tantra because Tantra is it's just the colloquial understanding that is mixed it up with all sorts of Kala Jadu and black magic and Tantra is devuda Tantra is yeah absolutely that's what it's a method of praying that's all and you know this is where I feel the West gets it wrong they look at all these things as paganism below understanding that there's a very Stark difference here uh that's there plus uh they're looking at it as paganism starts at a very ancient time so that is not going to get rectified that is there so I believe ours our culture Hinduism for example is the last of the classical religion surviving everything else has been gone take it over by the the standard idea of you know anti-pagan or


the the standard idea of you know anti-pagan or abrahamic concepts uh all the other cultures that were like us they're all gone only only Hindus are the last surviving classical religions okay so we classical Legions at this typical format like this all of them anyway so coming to uh our coming to the Hindu Dharma We There are negative entities there are Realms of negative entities okay there are bhutas which are spirits there are preethas which are angry Spirits okay then there are uh there are pisachas it's a very malevolent kind of entities very mandivalent if one of them comes when God forbid that anybody even comes into contact with any of them it's it's it has a it's destructive to the power Infinity okay uh then there are rakshasas which are like ravana was a rakshas okay who Lord Rama had defeated then beyond their actresses there are also the asuras asuras are extremely powerful uh extremely powerful negative entities highly intelligent it say that


powerful negative entities highly intelligent it say that asuras are infectious some beautiful writings on this negative Realms also he has written tremendously on all aspects so asuras are those kind of entities who have who do tremendous amount of tapasya by the way their capacity for Spiritual practice is far more than an average human beings so they what their what they end up doing is that they will worship one of these great gods that we have Shiva Shakti Brahma some of the great Gods but except both much higher up so they worship them attain booms and blessings and powers and then they use that power to do negative things because they use it in the service of their ego or a saint when he's worshiping a deity he loses his ego his ego is gone he becomes one with the devatha he's like a you know his devotion becomes that High Caliber Etc but here what they do is that they attain those blessings from the gods and they can because


those blessings from the gods and they can because they are capable of tremendous amount of says Penance the Penance they the surahs can do humans can never think of it and then after getting that they one of the typical things they do is that they try to cause Havoc everywhere okay because they want to use up things take take things for themselves so our shastra is mentioned one of the best one of the first thing asuras do is that they stop the youngest to all the gods so once they get the blessing you know the typical blessings they ask for is that uh you cannot nobody can defeat me nobody can no human no God nobody can defeat me so that the average Gods who are there the other gods were there they can't once the blessing is set into motion they can't do anything but inside that blessing they'll always be some catch for their fall somewhere but regardless that catch is not going to manifest immediately so for for a long


not going to manifest immediately so for for a long period of time they are going to reign supreme the rasura okay and he will have work in the Divine Realms and everywhere and etc etc until finally one of the great Gods beats Shiva or Vishnu or Shakti somebody or the other will decide that enough is enough then they will incarnate and they will destroy the Asura and this can happen even in 2020 oh yes only difference is that what I feel personally is that the asuras are too powerful they don't need to Incarnate during the Mahabharata they were incarnations of asuras by the way lot of them in fact the Mahabharata there's a beautiful uh part before the yudha actually happens the war actually happens so the uh duryodhana who's the head of the um the core of army he is taken and he's the the asuras actually I uh the rakshas and the asuras and the negative beings they tell him that do not worry


negative beings they tell him that do not worry about anything you just enter the battlefield our forces are going to take possession of the bodies of your warriors and they are going to fight for you and their powers are much higher okay then the average human being okay so we are there with you they're like telling him that just go ahead victory is yours we are fully there and the name even that this was going to enter into the body of this Warrior and this Warrior and this Warrior and this Warrior okay because that other side is Lord Krishna is there and the pandavas are there okay they're also great fantastic super Warriors so that was an ERA still there was asurik incarnations which used to happen asuras used to take the physical form uh the men of that caliber were entirely different than what we have right now spiritually intellectually in physical prowess everything okay exceptional caliber of people so the surahs had to Incarnate to fight them today asuras don't


to Incarnate to fight them today asuras don't incarnate so easily because the human the intellectual spiritual moral and physical stamina and strength of human beings is far lower okay because of the general environmental corruption and various other things but are there some human beings who've attained such a high level of spirituality that asuras have already gone inside them and asuras Influence People all the time are they powerful and famous and rich people in the world today who are being influenced by Asura today I cannot say but it's there's a very strong General uh belief and I also believe that uh in fact SRI aurobindo had written that Hitler was possessed by nasura he used to get in fact he wrote a lot of things about it I'm just relaying what SRI aurobindo had written about it there's a lot of talk about how serial killers and there's so many Netflix documentaries made about serial killers yes many of them have said that I was being influenced by another being that


that I was being influenced by another being that thing was telling me to kill all these people and the moment they're jailed uh they kind of have a Reformation so reformation and all I don't know but I'll give you a simple uh case a few years ago it had come out in the newspapers I was in Delhi at that time exactly so what happens in that case so this gentleman uh whoever that family is they start their one of the ancestors start visiting them and telling them various things what to do what not to do they start following that advices and then why did that ancestor start telling them listen to it first yes so there it comes uh ancestor comes and telling tells them okay do this do that Etc and they start making a lot of progress in their business material progress for two years two years it goes on fantastic progress they're making it they're obviously what happens average human beings you get greedy and you have start believing in it then one


and you have start believing in it then one day that that entity who came in the form of their ancestor okay because these beings are very good at shape shifting they can even pretend to be a deity by the way they're very good at this okay so they can this comes in and then says that okay I'll now you know I'm going to change your full Destiny all you have to do is uh just put your you know neck Tire thread which rope around your neck and jump uh but you will not die you'll have a rebirth complete everybody will live from there and the Magical things will happen this that Etc whole family does that and finished what what happened to their souls according to you uh uh they will enter a very negative state they will attain us they will go to a state which is lower than that entity which was influencing them and for a very long time they will remain there until and unless somebody who's very higher or something takes pity on them and liberates


higher or something takes pity on them and liberates them from there none if if you take a it might seem that if you if you these things when you see if you think about it in a very shallow manner in a limited manner you think that this is so unfair right they were tricked into it but if you take a large enough time scale you'll see that there's nothing that happens without some karmic Link in some past life or something or the other I know one instance here and I had a friend who was an excellent Exorcist he was very good he was not in India I won't mention any details about him here so he used to tell me um and because we had similar interests and he was one of the very genuine people so that's why my interest was there because I normally if there's not there's not genuine I was I lose interest and I move on but he was very genuine and he had equally a proper understanding of our systems he was not Indian he


proper understanding of our systems he was not Indian he was very good Exorcist So he used to tell me that when he sees a person he sees if there is a spirit or something attached anything he sees them also okay and at a young age he used to see people roaming around first used to think that everybody sees it then he saw that only he's able to see now there's a currency then he had a guru who taught him what to do and how to how to process this information into a meaningful manner okay use in a meaningful manner so he told this very beautiful thing and that is so accurate it it replies even to our systems also say that never does The Possession happen without some karmic Link in some past there is some permission that that entity has from nature in order to cause that harm because somewhere or the other you might have harmed it you will not remember that entity will also not remember so I said then then how do you remove how do you


said then then how do you remove how do you bring a cure you say that the and in fact he had sent me a lot of their opal texts and things to do but I lost in I was not interested because what we have is more than sufficient for us I feel this was more of just an intellectual curiosity spiritual also because that he was very good so that way so he um so I told him what do you how do you do deal with it he said that he his role was to primarily convince that entity to give up on its own because if you apply Force to remove which can be done then that is the beginning of another Karma oh oh yes because you're interacting with yes Nature has a law Nature's law is nature is the biggest chartered accountant in the world one left and right balance sheet is perfectly maintained a possession can happen only if that the one who is getting possessed had at some point done some activity which you may or may not remember nobody perhaps


activity which you may or may not remember nobody perhaps remembers in some past lifetime to the possessing entity so nature does a balancing act you come back and you have a chance to do it but the problem is that we don't remember anything so we don't know that where the line is to draw if you if you overstep that line then also there is another beginning of a new karmic chain that happens so this guy what he used to do is that he used to try and um and it's take time 15 days 20 days 30 days sometimes and convince the entity of its own to leave that beam and this process by the way happens here also in in India also when a possession is to be removed uh then very often it happens is that a mix of threat is given to that possessed possessing entity which is could be a buddhaith or whatever etcetera normally possessions are done by these only okay a bit of threat because you have the power of some some blessings of


you have the power of some some blessings of some deities to be with you otherwise they'll not be scared of you in fact they're very nasty some of the nasty pieces of things that are there the moment you sit in front they know everything about you everything okay whatever things you are doing in public whatever you're doing in private Etc and they see how much power actually you have they see that you don't have power they'll straight away blood out something that is going to embarrass the hell out of you and then they'll give you one Gali until you now get lost from here it's not your capacity to do anything okay but if somebody is in opposaka of a deity and as a blessing of the devatha then they will not try all the stunts then they will be little bit more reserved in dealing with it okay so anyway there what happens is that those entities are told that okay you you leave this person in return we'll do you something good tell me what you want uh


do you something good tell me what you want uh sometimes they may say that uh some some issue has happened or something like that or some my my descendants are not giving giving me the uh the the offerings of to be given to the ancestors okay or some something some this person has done some negative to me when he was alive or something like that so some resolution sometimes happens so they say that okay I promise you the extract a promise from that entity you leave instead I'll give and in return I'll give you XYZ this this and once the entity says okay I agree to it then they will leave they are also in a way a bit not entirely likely it is but they don't have a physical form so this is the process one of the ways so you basically tell that entity that you live but if you you can force them out also by the way forcing out has this only issue that um uh you don't know what kind of karmic thing you're interfering it and I believe


thing you're interfering it and I believe the forcing out is to be done only when The Exorcist has the blessing of a deity because a deity proper blessing of if you have and the deity has blessed you and you are tightly connected to the deity the deity can take away the karma the deity knows so you don't do anything you wait the deity will inspire go and do this then it's not your responsibility then whatever karma is there Etc deity will take care in Christianity with the priest exhaustus like how they're shown in the movie The Exorcist yeah is the deity Jesus Christ uh the original Exorcist movie I had seen I think they were invoking angels I don't remember exactly but I think they were invoking uh uh two of the archangels uh they have uh perhaps it was that which is an equivalent of what we have in India like where you say oh ma this ma that like all the deities we have no I deities Are Not


the deities we have no I deities Are Not Angels date is a more powerful than Angels what we worship as devathas are more powerful than Angels is there a Western equivalent of it uh no that is because the Western religions have negated the concept of deities they came in as more like a counter Force to before they they became more popular whether the whether it's any of the Western religions Etc so their original culture of the Greeks all the original Roman culture original um Egyptian culture they had multiple devathas these two worship multiple day with us so these uh other these new religious currents came in and say that no no deity no deity we won't accept any deity will only worship one so all deities have to be canceled rejected removed etc etc so there is how can there be a concept of a deity in that okay so so it is more of some people believe that let's put angels as equivalent no uh deity are they with angels some of their


uh deity are they with angels some of their Angels could be very powerful I'm not denying that but they're also tied to those cultures they will not come here so easily okay so this is geographically oh no they have these entities have ties to the kind of people who are worshiping them well they they need they have the specific type of worship and they respond to that okay so a specific kind of Angel is there if you just sit here and do some bhakti Bhavan Etc is not going to happen okay I wanted to talk about many other things on this episode but because we've spoken about astral body physical body uh and now Satan there's a couple of final questions for you and then we'll do a sequel episode to this as well where we'll expand upon all these entities a little more um the first question is an explanation of the causal body okay so at the start of the podcast we spoke about your physical body or your gross body your subtle body or your


body or your gross body your subtle body or your astral body yes how do you begin to explain to someone what a causal body is okay what is the current body and correct me if I'm wrong so it's also present in us right now it's present in us but it is completely inactive so inactive means uh somebody who's unless you are actually into very deep into spiritual practices you will not experience the current experience the current sharir means it is it's like this you have the Atman inside also right the soul or what we call the in the in the specific Hindu term we use the Atma but how many people have experienced the Atma experience of the Atma is very different have we experienced the astral body astral body you are experiencing the moment you are experiencing any kind of emotion it is very close to the physical what is close to the physical evil experience very easily these are very far off from the physical these are very very very subtle so subtle that unless you are


very very subtle so subtle that unless you are consciously able to take yourself to the subtle realm you'll not so easily do we experience the astral body in our dreams as well yes very much absolutely always when we are doing your astral bodies are playing yes in fact dreams are not um so dream analysis is another very [Laughter] another podcast episode so yeah more or less in during dreams your astral body is fully active that's where all the thing is playing out whether it's good whether it's bad everything now how do we begin to explain causal body okay causal body or the current as we call it is the is the root the seed of the karmas are planted there from which you might have done at a very ancient time something many lifetimes many lifetimes ago obviously you have no memory nobody has any memory of it but it has kept some impression from there from there that matures and percolates down into your astral by the time it comes to astral already things


by the time it comes to astral already things are happening here related to that Karma okay so uh second thing is that the causal body is um in that state if you are able to consciously attain to the causal body in yoga in meditation in Tanta sadhana in anywhere else Etc by the time you reach their causal body you are already beyond the astral so there are no negatives in the causal body in that Realm of the causal body no negative entity has the right to even enter into that correct in the capacity correct me if I'm wrong so so in autobiography of Yogi which is my all-time favorite book I've learned so much of spirituality from that book there's an entire chapter that talks about the astral realm okay so they say that when you attain Enlightenment here you gain access to the astral realm so rather than being born again on our plane you're born in a higher plane but spiritual progress doesn't stop there even as an astral entity you keep


stop there even as an astral entity you keep evolving until you earn the right to experience the causal reality yes and the closest thing to explain a causal reality to a human mind is what you feel in REM sleep REM sleep like when you know sometimes you're very tired you sleep and the moment you open your eyes it's morning and you're just feeling fresh but that time in the middle wasn't even time in the first place it was a causal reality is that kind of clothes that's that's kind of broadly uh broadly similar to the idea that I was trying to explain I'll let you take the reins yeah that's broadly similar to the idea so causal body is not easy to reach but it's it's where your true spirituality starts in a way okay okay it is not a true spirituality astral also there'll be spiritual things possible and there's a wide range of activity that is happening the astral but the causal is very detached it is not connected to all the


is very detached it is not connected to all the ups and downs of the uh astral realm okay or the positive negative the polarities that we see here is not there and as I said the what we understand as the good uh something we like okay you like a painting you feel good about it you like a old friend who's beating and you like good about it or you you love somebody you like good about this whole feeling of positive and on the other side just the opposite of it you get scared you see a movie you don't like it there's a nightmare something like that you pull this range of positive negative thing business doesn't happen in their causal it's beyond on that it's even Beyond two for an average human being imagine that there is a uh there's something that's happening here it's a reality and then there is a world of imagination in the imagination you can travel through the astral planes and then there is a world which is beyond your imagination understand this


a world which is beyond your imagination understand this even you cannot imagine it you don't have the capacity to imagine that also it's so rare like try thinking of a new color huh it's sort of exactly very good example so try thinking of a new color it's very difficult so it's something like that but it's attainable through the practice of uh whether you do yoga or whether you do or something like that or whether whichever deity you are worshiping they will take you one day to that level okay and you will see how terrific it is so all these sadhus that we see in the Himalayas or even saints that we know of you know Saint or and anyone who's completely evolved in our Earth okay all these great Saints of different religions did they only achieve access to the astral realm or had they got access to the causal realm as well or was there a mix uh I think there was a mix but I think there were many Saints who have gone to


I think there were many Saints who have gone to the causal realm and uh beyond that causal also there are Realms where so basically it's like this if you go to a causal realm and if you are permanently stationed your your Consciousness is permanently uh see again these are very loose words the actual word is permanently stationed in the causal realm what is the power that motivates you to do sadhna and everything that animates you okay the electricity of your soul I don't I don't know I don't know so anyway Consciousness for lack of better words yeah so if your Consciousness goes to the Karan jagat the world of the Astro of the causal and in stations there you are like a god understand this thing our Dharma says that in theory if your practice is good at the highest time you can givenize yourself to the level of a god now and not just not just our main EA I mean not just The Vedic even in the tantric


mean not just The Vedic even in the tantric religion when the Shiva siddhantas came in and not just the kashmiri shaivism which is one of the non-dual beautiful versions of Shiva Philosophy from which dancers derived they mentioned this that eventually you can reach a there are Realms uh that was okay 36 tattoos are there changes that happened Etc and you can attain to the condition of sadashiva condition of sadashiva you will not become Shiva Shiva is one but you can have that the and humans one in millions I'm not even saying that everybody can do it one in millions and millions but it is possible to attain to that level of Consciousness In Our Lifetime it may take many lifetimes all this thing is not going to happen in one lifetime but while you're physically present in the human birth beyond that is also possible but there you have to the body is too gross to hold that energy you have to go beyond that which is what happens


have to go beyond that which is what happens to some great Saints where their souls just leave their body because they realize now I want to go there yes and in fact I very recently that just again a tangent that came into my head go for it I was once uh guided very brilliantly amazingly by a gentleman whom I never met whose name also I did not know I still don't know his name but he was a siddha purusha he was a tremendous the word siddha purusha we use to describe these type of saints who have gone to the Karan sharirandi mahakaranas who have become like a devatha only like a god almost that we call USA is beyond all ordinary conceptions the spiritual leaders we see in India today uh I can't comment on any I don't want to comment on any individual I won't ask you any names but um may or may not be some maybe some may not be but I believe that if you go very deep


be but I believe that if you go very deep into this it's a condition of this condition condition of the siddha you become siddha purusha that level you reach it's to break it down let's say it's 0 to 100 100 is the maximum spiritual growth that you can happen if you are up to 60 65 only you'll already become pretty well known and famous these days to even 20 also becomes famous that's a different matter in my opinion okay but uh Beyond 60 Beyond 70 Beyond 80 those who go they normally do not they keep themselves very wrapped they will not come out in public so easily the other people who meditating far away in the Himalayas they may be in the cities also but they'll make sure that the your neighbor also does not know who he is this gentleman whom I was talking about he was a very powerful siddha very powerful siddha uh he uh he chose his time and place and condition of death he had the ability to do that he


of death he had the ability to do that he chose that and he had mentioned that when he you know what time is he going to die where and etc etc and he wrote that that's because he's experienced all that is to experience in this life now he wants to go to the realm of the god whom he worships and he will continue his upasana there even better upasana will happen because the trappings of the human body are not there human body gets tired it needs food it needs rest okay it has to go to the loop various things are there if you are if you go beyond the human body and if you can continue that would be a wonderful experience so this gentleman what do you think his childhood was like I have no idea because I hardly knew anything about him except that very strange manner he came into my life and he provided some invaluable guidance in certain personas I was doing okay so I I deeply respect him I I don't even know how


deeply respect him I I don't even know how he looks I don't know his name I don't know anything I just know that communication is to happen this way that I used to write the question I had uh to a friend friend is to go and give it to another guy who lived in a particular State then he would go into an interior village where he lived go and ask this person this person would say in his mother tongue and then he will translate and this process would take about 30 days for a question answer but the answer was worth it the answer that you would I would be it's like that means how the hell is he giving this kind of he knew every details of what am I doing sitting in my Pooja room how many hours am I sitting what deity am I worshiping how am I sitting you know what changes are happening what thought is flashing to my head suddenly he says that you know one day he sends so and so did you are doing


day he sends so and so did you are doing something and this particular thought came that you should do this Mantra but you did not do why did you not do you should do it don't this this you do it you will see this this results yeah the guy doesn't know I don't know how he looks I don't know what is his name nothing we've had a lot of monks who've come on the show and uh one of the monks said that you know people often think that monks are not ambitious people but the truth is that they're the most ambitious people they're so ambitious that they've left the material realm and I'd understood it I didn't think that I had the right to say the truth that you just shared on the internet so I'm glad that you're shedding light upon these Concepts and this is why monks choose a monk amongst life or rather this is why the Monk's Soul chooses that particular body for that Journey yes because that Soul knows that oh


that Journey yes because that Soul knows that oh I've already come so far now I don't want marriage I don't want kids yeah I don't want a career I just want to go to that higher end only difference between this and the material realm ambition is that so this is also ambition so see we worship the goddess one of the most powerful forms of the goddesses kameshwari hameshwari is what the controller of all desires without desire no realm is going to run whether it's physical astral this that she is the one who holds the rain the world desires everywhere and only it is because of desire you may be meditating in the Himalayas for 10 000 years and suddenly there is this spark of Desire that comes in immediately Evolution the world runs Cycles run because of desire and she is the mother of all desires she is the controller of all desire she's the Maha tripura sundari she controls everything when you pray to her your desires go away no that


you pray to her your desires go away no that that's more complicated another podcast no it it can go away it can go away to other but it's not my my the reason I brought this up is because um ambition in the spiritual field is perfectly all right greed is not that's one thing that happens in the material plane very often which is that I want it I want it quickly in double quick time I'll use whatever methods I want and I am greedy about it greed is greed dishonesty you will not survive in the spiritual realm you will fall faster than you can because the beings you are dealing with they know you inside out they knew better than your parents know you then you're better than you know yourself and we are human beings are the greatest capacity of self-delution I have seen so many characters like this little experience and then they'll delude themselves into I've reached this and that but they know they know how much honest you are how much


know they know how much honest you are how much you are making up stuff how much your it's your own pep talk you're telling your mind that I am so and so but what exactly is the reality they know so you cannot fool them okay this and greed if this is removed ambition is perfectly okay um what is the devil uh in Dharma there is no devil is there Satan at all there are powerful negative entities but there is no one single leader of negative entity no what does Dharma say about pure evil there are pure evil pure evil asuras are there but eventually they will fall when the gods decide that they have had their run and they see that is why the avatara wish to keeps happening Vishnu has not said that after this I'm not coming he will come when the necessity event Dharma is completely trampled over he will come with a tremendous force and he will destroy the asurik forces at that time why did God create evil in the first place


time why did God create evil in the first place oh no it's that that's a very philosophical question uh there are various answers possible one of them is that because the world is made up of dualities always there is everything will have a pair there is day there is going to be light this summer there's going to be winter Etc so this is sort of like the creative process that it is that's one way of looking at it so what I am talking about is that first understand that these things exist now why do they exist that's a question that is very difficult to answer because there you enter into realm of philosophy and speculation and you can choose which philosophy you like you may believe in some other concept that okay there is no God who did not create evil some other entity create civil Etc in our conception no there's nothing like that in fact the realm of the Gods the the great Gods Shiva Etc no negative entity even as the chance of entering even within a fraction


as the chance of entering even within a fraction of that space they're way higher way higher all the negative it's not the negatives do not exist they exist they're very powerful and the cause have a as we as we find in the puranas they have but eventually they get over trumped when they had their fill and they gain the capacity to do Evil by the worship of the Gods so in a way the devathas whom we worship the very they're very high up means their their real men are a lot of Gap in order to the whole of Dharma whole of rituals whole of Mantra whole of Tantra whole of upasana is a language of communication between your realm and natural and with that I will choose to stop this episode because I haven't covered everything I wanted to ask you sir and I feel for the next one we'll actually get into the topics that I wished that we spoke about on this one but I feel this is a great prequel to that episode about ghosts and


a great prequel to that episode about ghosts and monsters okay so thank you again sir great episode uh any signing off notes for the audience who've listened to this particular one uh no I hope you enjoyed it and these are wonderful topics and if you I believe that if you think can you ruminate over this you contemplate there are many things you'll understand and hopefully these May Inspire some people to actually enter into the path of sadhana forget the ghost tunnels those things are there but focus on the devathas if you focus on the devadas it is a transforming experience uh as you keep going you know um that's the Hope from this uh podcast and this team as well that people get more inclined towards meditation yes prayer uh what ancient India was originally known for knowledge which I feel is its own sort of meditation and prayer so thank you again sir so it's fun and looking forward to the next one Namaste Namaste sir as you can tell by this point


Namaste sir as you can tell by this point we had to split up this episode into two parts if you've seen the first two episodes we've done with sir trust me you don't know what you're in for when it comes to the third one it's about Etc if you're from India you'd understand what those words mean uh that episode is extremely paranormal-centric all the episodes was rajashree so are kind of paranormal Centric but that one will absolutely blow you away that's all I have to say about the next one don't have much to say about this one just make sure you follow TRS on Spotify every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world guest of the Year for me that's all I'll say thank you for listening in download level to begin your own meditation Journey now [Music]


you know unfortunately we're talking about food where you know you can be marketed to very easily and you don't know what you're getting you always have to look at the ingredient profile on the back now this will require a lot of research 6.5 grams of citrulline that gives you a pump has been shown to be effective in research but you purchase this pre-workout and it only says 1.5 grams of citrulline then it doesn't matter that this does not going to have an effect on you we're not necessarily into weight training and just want to be healthy what's the scientific truth about multivitamins what's the scientific truth about fish oils a diet full of raw veggies and different colored fruits and vegetables do the same job for you that multivitamins can a lot of the time no unfortunately if you were to ask me this question maybe 60 70 years ago I'd have a different answer because now with the overpopulation of the countries the over Harvest station of the food uh our soil now


Harvest station of the food uh our soil now is very much depleted to what it was many many years ago all right this is part three of our health special with Chris gethin we began this particular episode trying to cover the A to Z of supplements and the right way of supplementation remember Chris gethin has trained some of the world's top athletes he's also trained Hrithik Roshan he's trained John Abraham if there's anyone who knows a thing or two about muscle building it is this person the conversation began with supplements but then eventually we spoke a lot about musculature hypertrophy how to get the most out of your workouts etc etc so it's a conversation for Fitness knowledge you're going to enjoy this for more episodes like this make sure you follow us on Spotify every episode of Spotify exclusive which means that it's available 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world this is another Fitness special with Chris gethin and it's coming straight at ya thank you foreign is back


it's coming straight at ya thank you foreign is back you guys asked us for an entire episode on supplements that's what we're doing today Chris uh let's start with a very simple question for you this is comes in from every single Indian teenager or college student who's arguing with his parents about protein shakes being safe for human consumption by a young adult or a teenager what do you have to say to the parents but when it comes to protein for instance we'll use that as an example people think they get they quickly assume that it's some sort of performance enhancement it's it's a steroid when it isn't all it is is the dairy uh yeah the Protein that's extracted from the dairy such as the milk without a lot of the fat without the lactose a lot of times just naturally flavored so there's nothing wrong with it however you've got to look at the sauce make sure that number one it is in from Black Market it's from a reputable source and all it's


it's from a reputable source and all it's there is to help that person get their protein requirements in when they're weightlifting you know it's absolutely fine now the age look I'm an owner of a supplement company so I can't say yeah 15 year old is fine anything over the age of 18 is is fine up until then you should just focus on your nutrition your food making sure that you have a decent amount of food in your program because you can't replace food you know you you a supplement is there just to supplement your diet but anything over the age of 18 you're good to go are you seeing that from an ethical place in terms of you gotta make a kid work hard for his muscle gains of course okay yeah like um I didn't start taking supplements until I was about 25 years old you know up until then I was choking down tins of tuna and dry potato looking in the magazines going I want to be one of those guys and I think the difference is that once


those guys and I think the difference is that once you start having protein shakes you just get results slightly faster am I right well it's more convenient to get that amount of protein in because if you're eating six meals a day it gets pretty boring and you know pretty quick so if you're able to drink some of those meals and it tastes good a chocolate shake you can put the chocolate powder on your boring oats it just makes it a lot easier and straight after your workouts you want to try to repair the damaged muscle tissue that you've created in the gym that trauma as soon as humanly possible and is nothing more bioavailable than a protein isolate egg whites are going to be number two so if you can't get the protein in then have the egg white sure but how many people want to have eight egg whites not many so a protein shake makes it look more convenient yeah so it's just the convenience factor convenience and the bioavailability um you know we spoke


convenience and the bioavailability um you know we spoke about how much protein is required by the human body if you're active whether you're putting on muscles or whether you're burning off fat it's roughly um X grams per pound of body one gram per pound of body weight yeah okay one gram per pound of body weight now in saying that if you go above that one gram per pound of body weight do you get faster results or is there like enough upper limit there is a limit for sure like I usually go up to about 1.5 but I train extremely hard and a lot of my clients train me extremely hard and they're breaking down a lot of tissue so like for maybe 20 years I've basically had sore legs from my leg workouts you know I find it funny when people go oh my legs are so sore and I'm like I don't know what it's like not to have salt legs but that's the way I train so I require a little bit more protein than uh


so I require a little bit more protein than uh than the average person you know it all comes down to how bad you how hard you train and what body part you're training on that particular day if you're training just your biceps you're not going to need as much as say if you're training your back um how many scoops of protein should one consume safe a scoop is about 25 grams of protein all depends on the size of the individual but can you go up to like three or four yeah for sure yeah like I have some clients who find it very inconvenient to eat because of their job requirements they're traveling or something like that so some of them will have like five or six Scoops a day but they'll eat three meals so if somebody does have protein let's say as one meal then I don't want them to have protein as a second second meal as well or protein powder I need some sort of sustenance in their body I need more micronutrients in there more of a balance


need more micronutrients in there more of a balance approach so they can alternate meal protein powder meal protein powder I will allow that so if a young person comes to you and I also include women in this young person angle and if they say hey Chris should I be taking protein supplements I'm going about my weight training what would you say next over the 18 for sure yeah you can include that maybe a straight after your workout if you're having your oats in the morning you want to have a scoop in there instead of egg white sure and even if they're not active in the gym if they're not active in the in the gym yeah sure maybe one one scoop a day is absolutely fine it's like my parents aren't really active in the gym but they'll have a couple of scoops of protein per day because as you get a little bit older you go through muscle atrophy as well so you require protein but they work out no I think the other argument against protein shakes in general


I think the other argument against protein shakes in general is that it supposedly puts a load on your organ specifically your kidney is there any scientific root to this nothing nothing whatsoever you won't find any scientific truth to that because your body will digest protein powder easier than any other food period also in Indian gyms The Narrative and this is something I've also followed as a trainer probably just to get people into a better habit I've always told people that the moment you start lifting weights drink a lot more water for sure because your protein absorption also becomes faster so I've gotten a lot more people to drink more water which then has countless other benefits but say if you are combining a lack of water intake with a lot of protein consumption I'm not just talking about protein shakes I'm also talking about meat paneer whatever protein sources that can lead to problems right yeah you know body's made up of about 75 H2O so if you're not feeding the fluid to that body then the


you're not feeding the fluid to that body then the body's just not going to function the brain's not going to function correctly either a lot of people have headaches and it's not because they need uh paracetamol or aspirin it's because they're dehydrated the brain's dehydrated gotcha you know the muscles cannot contract adequately without proper hydration so is the test for hydration the urine test where you look at your piss and you see it clear and then that probably means you're hydrated but the moment you see a little yellow means you've got to go and drink some water is that the correct way of going that's the correct way but if you're going to take certain vitamins as well that can lead to Yellow water as a yellow pests as well so you know you've got to look at it when are you taking your vitamins as well how do you know how much water to drink um it all depends on how much that person sweats but I usually have my clients on about a gallon of


I usually have my clients on about a gallon of water a day if it's a smaller female for instance it could be like three to four liters but for a bigger kind of a guy it's usually a five plus gotcha so let's let's move on to other supplements now uh but before we move on I want to ask you what Hrithik and John took to build their bodies in terms of supplementation I'm assuming you had them on Creatine as well yeah yeah so I've got yeah for instance I've got radicon creatine right now um so creatine protein powder a lot of anti antioxidants because they're going through a lot of free radical damage so that's like vitamin C glutathione pqq uh my vital C which is a carbon C60 it's a Nobel winning atom uh a carbon sorry not atom carbon and my vital C is like a human grade of that and then hydrogen-rich water so hydrogen-rich water my vital C they have high antioxidant value that doesn't cause a


they have high antioxidant value that doesn't cause a hormetic blunting response so when you're working out you want what's called hormesis inflammation from your workout and that's what causes the body to go you know what this is trauma I need to continue to grow get stronger more powerful Etc let me just break that down a little bit when you're doing a bicep curl your bicep heats up like when you take it to failure that's the inflammation yeah and it breaks down muscle tissue so the next day when your biceps the sore it's because you've torn little myofibrils muscle fibers basically inside the muscle fibers you've broken them down they're sore so now you want that traumatic response from it that inflammatory response should continue to grow however if you take things like vitamin C or vitamin E that will blunt that around your workout any other time is fine but not around your workout but you can take other antioxidants such as hydrogen Rich water such as


other antioxidants such as hydrogen Rich water such as carbon C60 that is very very high in antioxidants but it won't blunt that response so it's great at beating a lot of the free radical damage that we endure without blunting that response from training so I get them on no supplements as well uh glutamine so glutamine is uh the most abundant amino acid in your body but it's also good for gut health as well so glutamine for that purpose what does it do to the Aesthetics of the physique or to the muscle building process it prevents atrophy muscle loss yes along with say with a branch chain amino acids as well branched chain amino acids can provide muscle Energy Muscle energy output but actually prevent some of the catabolic response from weight training as well we will break down BCAAs in detail because it's probably India's most popular supplement after creatine and protein shakes but specifically glutamine this is debated in Indian gyms so Chris gethin is saying


in Indian gyms so Chris gethin is saying that you should be having it because it will prevent atrophy yes so assuming that say retake or John or whoever is uh on a very intense professional schedule would you put them on glutamine then or are they on glutamine throughout the year like when when do you actually put something no when when they're on hard training we're not going through hard training yes but why would atrophy happen in a phase of heart training because when you go to the gym and train extremely hard that is the most catabolic thing that we can do we lose muscle when we train we actually have to do it though it's a signal muscle growth through recovery from nutrition from sleep okay so you have to cause that trauma in order to recover from the trauma so this is a catabolic uh experience and then you have to you have to make sure that all your anabolic experiences together overpower the catabolic experience exactly how do you supplement with glutamine like when


how do you supplement with glutamine like when is it during the workout uh it's usually before and after the workout during the workouts I'll usually have branched chain amino acids and essential amino acids okay creatine before and after the workout bookend that workout protein powder straight after the workout that's when I usually have it yeah okay and glue them in as well usually about 20 grams so uh he'll have a couple of bottles of water with glutamine in there with creatine in there so it's taken throughout the day as well let's let's boil it down to the basics again I think the average listener here is concerned about looking hot like looking good um there's very few people only concerned about putting on muscle mass yeah I think I'd put all women in that category who are concerned about putting on muscle mass and a few guys who are Fitness nerds but primarily most of the men watching this are watching this for Aesthetics so keeping that in


are watching this for Aesthetics so keeping that in mind say this case a with someone who's only supplementing the protein shakes and maybe creatine case b who's supplementing with protein shakes creating and then glutamine added to it what would be the percentage difference in the results with the same training or the same duration of time look all these supplements together probably provide about five percent of your overall gains you know a lot of people put a lot of value in supplements no it's going to come down to the consistency and the intensity of your training your nutrition your sleep and your hydration then the other five percent again dependent on the individual though five percent will be made up from the supplementation that you take to help with the recovery and fuel your workouts okay um now there could be a case where let's say that person just cannot eat the six meals and they rely on supplements for three of those meals then maybe the supplements are going to be a bigger percentage now for that individual all comes


be a bigger percentage now for that individual all comes down to a case of by case basis but is also focusing on sleep you know it's the correct uh way to go and ksb is having all the supplements but getting about six hours of sleep every night which is not horrible but it's not Optimum either uh what would be the percentage difference in the two it'd probably be another five percent on top of that okay also the you know you're getting a lot of sleep or plenty of sleep some people work well on less sleep but then they over train which makes it a little bit worse that you know let's say if they're not sleeping that much but now they train five six times a week that's not going to be optimal for them you know if you're sleeping less you probably need to train less uh I remember on the first episode we did we spoke about Yoga Nidra very briefly but I think in that episode you'd misunderstood uh what I was saying you highlighted pranayama


uh what I was saying you highlighted pranayama two separate tangents I'm gonna talk about yoga nether a little bit again yeah it in uh the scientific world it's called progressive muscle relaxation ah okay yeah it's the same the yoga there is a slightly more nuanced version of progressive muscle relaxation and in the world of yoga they tell us to do it ideally four to five hours before you go to sleep to enhance the quantity of REM sleep you experience when you're actually sleeping which in the long term scheme of things reduces your sleep quota and I've noticed this with myself both like combining yoga like the progressive muscle relaxation along with meditation reduces how much sleep I need yeah which effectively in the sum of things it gives me more time to do other which could also be no longer for the quality not always the quantity you know while we're speaking about workout outs do you also want to kind of give a guideline when it comes to total


kind of give a guideline when it comes to total time dedicated to a weight training session sure yeah you know when it comes to a smaller muscle group let's say could be shoulders for instance that workout could probably last maybe 30 40 minutes it's not long but then if it's a larger muscle Group which requires more oxygen uh more ATP Addison triphosphate so you have to rest a little bit longer between the sets um it could be like an hour hour-long workout yeah if you see people stretching it to 90 minutes what's your take they probably haven't trained hard enough um you know that's usually the the protocol so you know maybe they're taking too long of a rest maybe they're not training to Absolute failure they think that they're training hard but they're not actually training hard usually it turns out to be volume as opposed to intensity so your gauge of a good workout is wrap it up in an hour yeah well the gauge is that you shouldn't have anything left in the tank


that you shouldn't have anything left in the tank if someone comes and trains with me I'm not blowing my own horn here but if they come and train with me and they're able to train after we finish the session they haven't trained hard enough you know and that's I don't think that's ever happened you know I I hear you and I'm on the same page as you're on the exact same page the issue especially in Indian gyms is a lot of people don't focus enough on their form and in this process of getting everything to failure I mean it's okay to lose you a bit of your form sometimes but there is a real lack of form-based Education in um the world of Indian exercise I think it's getting fixed gradually through YouTube Etc back in the day there was nothing everyone was just doing anything so do you see this a lot uh I've noticed it uh through the injuries that a lot of people have here a lot of back issues a lot of slip discs ruptured discs


issues a lot of slip discs ruptured discs so I can only assume it happened a lot yeah yeah for sure and I think you know it's okay to use a little bit of control cheating after you've reached absolute failure with a very strict movement so as an example I'm talking about this because it happened this morning I had Riddick do drop sets on side raises for instance seated we did three drop sets seated then when he couldn't do any more in very strict fashion sat down are going to stand up because now you're going to start to use a little bit of momentum from your lower back maybe a little bit from your traps but it's okay if you pre-fatigued the muscle already so that's okay in that instance once you've reached absolute failure with very strict form got it uh I think we should highlight BCAAs as well before moving on to creatine sure so with bcw is what is the scientific truth now because again with supplementation the studies keep changing every two years


with supplementation the studies keep changing every two years I've noticed this but as of October 2022 where are we okay so um okay it's kind of individual based as well I guess like if you're very intuitive to your body don't always have to rely on science you know like a lot of things would for instance my style of training really isn't backed up with science but does it work well yeah like I've shown that it works so when it comes to Branch chain amino acids uh you know you have leucine isoleucine and valine leucine is the really anabolic signaler but it's more efficient when you actually have the supporting amino acids as well there's three amino acids that make up the branch chain amino acids so what we've seen is that it can prevent muscle atrophy and provide muscle energy where I actually found this worked better was when I started doing a lot of endurance-based sports so a lot of Spartan like obstacle races Ultra marathons Iron Man Triathlon that's


races Ultra marathons Iron Man Triathlon that's when I really noticed the distance that difference where I found that I was able to buffer lactic acid a little bit better because I had more muscle energy from the branch chain amino acids I wasn't breaking down the muscle tissue as much without it so I'd have that in my drinks bottle and I found a profound effect from that uh who would you recommend it to in terms of would you recommend it to a college kid who's training hard if they're training very hard and if they're over the age of 18 for sure yeah there's no doubt about it doesn't matter if you're 18 or 80 yes I'd suggest it okay while I wanted to just talk about supplements with you on this episode I can't help but talk about other weight training based Concepts I remember there was this concept that had really helped me a lot which is called G flux you remember this which is uh what's reflex uh it's basically it's an easier way to get