thinking and that's thanks to that blessing of creativity that you and me are possibly born with right right so the question is if you get a chance to live till the age of 200 in a healthy body would you want to live that long and change the world for like 200 years wow that's a good question i don't think i've ever been asked that question before um the way i think about it if i live to the age of 200 it means that i'm going to see everybody around me die like well i'm am i the only one living 200 or everybody living to 200. your core group lives till 200 at least okay my core group that's a big difference because i don't want to live forever because every person i meet i'm that you i'm going to see you die like if i see my kid i know i'm going to die before my kid so i will not have that sadness and i will i'll be able to be emotionally attached to my kid so if my entire core


attached to my kid so if my entire core group lives to a 200 i would take it i would take it in a heartbeat because then i can start making much bigger bets right now the bets we're taking are on like you know 20 or 30 years you know 50 years max which is what can happen in 50 years flying cars great but if i'm living until 200 then for sure i'm gonna buy real estate on on mars right now it'll change the way i live today for sure right do you study the future a lot because i anticipate that as a content creator you do uh and specifically for your kind of content i'm sure you study the near future so uh i'm sure you've been asked a zillion questions about the pandemic but what do you think this next decade is looking like do you think it's a dark decade do you think it's a decade filled with light uh you know you should have you've all know harare on this podcast i had i had him on


on this podcast i had i had him on my podcast what's eight months ago and it was one of the top rated uh episodes we did because uh he only thinks about that right he only thinks about he he looks at the past and because he extrapolates to tell you how the future is gonna look like um i generally think in five year chunks or thousand day chunks maybe three and a half years um i don't think too much about how the the the the the long future looks like i feel like we're going so fast that you need to start looking into easier chunks do i think the next decade is going to be great yeah dude i'm so excited the next decade is going to be amazing for the next decade is going to be amazing for the top 40 of the world it's going to be really shitty for the bottom 60 of the world so i would say if you're listening to this in india you gotta make sure you make it to the top 40 percent because


sure you make it to the top 40 percent because i think a lot of jobs are gonna just disappear um and i don't think i don't think governments either india or even switzerland or america will be able to keep up with the change and uh a lot of people will uh be poor i generally speaking i mean they will not be poor but they will not have something to do um but if you're the top 40 you'll have something to do and you'll have a lot of fun doing it what do you think i mean you know yeah while we can't predict every single industry i do see a rise in content creation and consumption all over the world like they say netflix invested 21 billion dollars in just the last year on their content and they've still not kept up with the demand in terms of how many new shows people want to watch how many new pieces people want to watch so over the next 10 years if you give every single human being the weapon of creativity i feel they


single human being the weapon of creativity i feel they will find a job either within the field of content or they'll apply learnings from the field of content in other jobs for example once you learn how to run a youtube channel you've learned titling thumbnails search engine optimization you can go work in a digital marketing company you can go work in an app and help with the ui ux because you understand consumers that much so if everyone's equipped with the weapon of creativity i do feel that they'll kind of be a little more safeguarded for the future uh and i also feel that whatever business you want to launch content creation is going to be a part of that business over the next 20 years yeah so you might as well know the abcs of it just the way we learn mathematics in school yeah creativity and content creation should become subject and connotation isn't just videos it could be articles it could be poetry it could be you know all these things that they told you in school that okay do it


that they told you in school that okay do it for fun but this is not going to make you money no no no go back to that learn how to write essays learn how to take photographs you'll be safeguarded true i mean i remember my high school days i i memorized so many equations for nothing i don't need to memorize that crap it is incredibly useless so uh i should have i should have paid more attention into my storytelling class because honestly when you're a kid if you're a kid right now listening to this also you know i storytelling still to this day doesn't equate to a job it does not equate to a job at all how i mean i remember two months before i started nas daily my colleague told me hey do you want to come to this storytelling class in new york for 400 and i was like 400 for what just so i know how to tell better jokes i didn't know that storytelling is what's gonna make nas daily succeed


storytelling is what's gonna make nas daily succeed and so i i think for people it's our role me and you to make that connection between storytelling class to making money as a job much clearer because right now it's still very very very foggy that's what you're trying to do with the academy you've launched correct and i'm i'm also working towards building some kind of an account in fact a lot of the ideas you said i'm doing the indian versions of that like a sort of indian version of it but the big the big gap i feel that needs to be filled is exactly what you said education if you empower people if you show them the bridge between working on the creativity and making money that's great for the world yes exactly that's why i think right now the the way social media platforms have built it which is i take 50 you keep 50 or get a million views and i'll give you 500 bucks are you joking like i i made a million people interested in this


like i i made a million people interested in this video so your platform could have a valuation of a hundred trillion dollars and you're giving me 50 50 500 bucks and if it's in india you're giving me 200 bucks that's nuts so i think at some point the valuations of these social media platforms will be shared to the creators at some point the next question of course is about the future of social media we're seeing the rise of clubhouse it's an app that's coming up in the states it's only on ios i have a lot of my entrepreneur friends who tell me hey get on clubhouse you'll be great on clubhouse but i think clubhouse maybe it'll take off maybe it'll it'll grow you know what else do you think is the future of social media are we going to see another tick tock style revolution i believe when virtual reality comes in everything's going to change up the world is going to become ready player 1 have you seen ready player 1 no not yet not yet but but


ready player 1 no not yet not yet but but i i'm excited for that i mean when virtual reality comes to a person in india that's a person in san francisco with 50 million dollars in their bank account when virtual reality comes to a person in india and becomes affordable man all production studios are going to have so much fun it's going to be a great like it's essentially restarting right you you you you stop text studios you you kill the vid normal video studios and you build new studios so you literally have like a transfer of wealth and a creation of more wealth with this new industry and that is exciting like creative destruction like for example right now the way i think about it is okay oil money we all know oil in the next 40 years is gonna end there's one trillion dollars in value in oil we that means if you are in a sustainable industry like solar or wind or whatever you're about to get a one trillion dollar worth of value transferred to


a one trillion dollar worth of value transferred to you from this company because it's going to die to you in 50 years that is exciting so i'm really excited to see the transfer of value from industry to industry and if you can guess the next industry like you're gonna get most of that transfer of value and so uh this stuff this stuff gets me excited for sure um as to exactly what that platform is going to be honestly no one knows like it's very very difficult to know like snapchat and tick tock and whatnot we go based on cycles and i feel like you know news goes on seven day cycles like i care about something for seven days until it doesn't matter like the state capital riots nobody freaking talks about anymore um which is crazy um so seven day you know interest i think the world has social media like five year interests snapchat was cool that's not cool so i'd rather not look into the fluctuations of this year and next year i'd rather look


of this year and next year i'd rather look at the the general trend upwards and capture some of that value you know what i've thought of over the course of my career sometimes out of frustration sometimes out of just again violent creativity thought of the fact that some creators should get together and build the next social media platform where it's more creator friendly i mean if we are talking about that gap in the market why not a nasda or beer biceps and a beer new or joyshetty get together and build out like the next big value adding platform or at least guide it and i and i feel like i'm i'm gonna at least attempt that sometime over the next 10 years the businesses i'm doing right now i feel like a warm-up for that business that's my dream kind of goal in life yeah why not create the next big tech product and don't say oh it's an indian built tech product again it's a product of the world it's a product of the community yeah the creative community and


a product of the community yeah the creative community and we're talking about you know it's kind of unfair to us let's make it a fair game yes you know that's so funny you especially i i think it could work i think no one has genuinely attempted that usually it has been like what like singers putting their name on brand deals with new apps coming up i think the issue may not be i i wonder if the issue is the supply of content or the demand for a new platform i wonder what is it that drives people to hop onto a new social network or a new platform i've worked on an idea like this with someone i mean every entrepreneur has failed startups one of my favorite startups was something like this and the place we got stuck at was the supply of content which we actually solved but that process would take a lot of bandwidth like there was a solution to it but at that stage of my life about six months ago it would take a lot of money and a


ago it would take a lot of money and a lot of my own time and energy which i didn't have time for because this podcast was taking off and i feel like maybe you know when i'm more financially equipped i'll be able to do that much more easily so um the the problem was the supply at least from what we had kind of gauged yeah but don't forget quibby right quick fix the supply you know they had so many shows you know could be the app that had raised a billion dollars they had so many shows um the demand just wasn't there so maybe the supply wasn't good enough i don't know what it is i definitely think that with snapchat the reason snapchat took off is is uh our stories is the demand for ephemeral like 24 hours and it's gone content was high snapchat was the supply it wasn't like a creator driven app and i i wonder if i don't even know if tick tock was i think the demand for short content that makes me


i think the demand for short content that makes me happy was high tick tock was just there as a supply so i i would probably look at it like what is the demand for in the future and build the supply for that rather than putting beard biceps like to be honest with you if i go on a different platform right now called nas app out of the 30 million followers that we have on the internet 100 000 world care 100 000. the remaining 29.9 million do not give a flying dam because there's no demand for that thing so i i that's generally the way i look at it so i'm a little bit more pessimistic on that front but if you make it work i'm all yours no i mean i don't intend on calling it the beer biceps app or the gi app or the nas app but i intend on calling it the avengers of the social media space baby good work um i i do have some solutions there i mean the the app that we had designed was a


mean the the app that we had designed was a short format based app uh where we had kind of spoken to some ui ux people and had figured a way to make it addictive that's what tiktok had done the algorithm was an expert at making the experience addictive right right so if you if you interact with a tiktok for 15 minutes of your life and interacted with a few videos commented on something engage with something the algorithm was so sharp that it knew exactly what to show you in order to make it addictive yeah and that's why all the tick tock clones couldn't keep up because they didn't have the strength of the algorithm like the tiktok core team had a bunch of psychologists as a part of the core team which were like you know they were they were calling shots they were trying to figure out how to make it more addictive all the time so i feel there is a solution but it's about the right brains coming together it's about a lot of teamwork uh


coming together it's about a lot of teamwork uh but maybe it's five years away let's see well call me after five years man yeah speak to you in 2025 or 26. keep keep thinking it's 2020. uh okay but let's let's talk about 2021 26 considering youtube instagram facebook with what we currently have at our disposal what's your vibe about content how's content evolving i'll tell you how it's evolving in india it's becoming a lot darker here in a fun way you know how people get offended with humor nowadays yeah but the humor that's trying to pop is actually kind of dark and offensive and some people look at it as no it's too evil or whatever i kind of look at it as a fresh change i'm not saying it's good to offend people are hurt yeah yeah yeah but sometimes dark humor is what the world needs to just take itself less seriously like so the question is what is the evolution of content or social media platforms answer both separately


of content or social media platforms answer both separately man if i knew i would be sitting at 50 billion dollars worth of value right i don't know but um we're making guesses we all try to make bets on the world five years ago i made one bet the bet that i said was i think software engineering may not be for me i think facebook videos are going to be very big in the future and you know back then nobody thought facebook videos was a thing nobody cared about facebook uh everybody was like are you a youtuber youtube youtube i love youtube i love youtube this video is on youtube so uh yeah sorry but i was like i don't care about youtube and i still don't what i care about is i think facebook could work in terms of a video platform five years later now we have facebook watch now we have 90 of our viewership and exposure coming from facebook and 10 coming from youtube and it's working quite amazingly for us so um so what you see what's


for us so um so what you see what's happening is tv becomes youtube tv is dead so youtube becomes tv youtube becomes facebook because facebook becomes a video platform rather than a place you share with your friends facebook used to be a place you share with your friends it becomes instagram instagram now where people share with their friends on the stories instagram itself with a place that used to be visual where you just consume visual content becomes tick-tock and so on and so forth so slowly sort of a chain kind of one thing kills the other and it moves platforms and then from tick tock like text you know i don't know whatever it is becomes uh uh communication becomes whatsapp or whatever so so tv when stevie dies so tv is the first to die then youtube is next to die then facebook is next to die then instagram then tic tac and so that's why right now we are building up on instagram like content-wise uploading frequency and usage so that when facebook dies hopefully it doesn't we're ready


that when facebook dies hopefully it doesn't we're ready for the next youtube which will be instagram you know what i mean um i think that's the evolution of social media platforms i could be wrong but you know it's another bet that i'm willing to take another thing i would say that's going to happen is i think not only social media platforms are going to change universities are going to be radically different the demand for buy jews and online education content is going to be unbelievably huge like i cannot even fathom how big it's going to be because like university of wisconsin is not going to make any money man university of karnataka or mumbai may not last it's so expensive to pay tenure to a professor it's so expensive to clean the goddamn building you know and build it as well so maybe iit will continue to exist forever but i think in general all these like brick and mortar places where you go sit and have someone talk at you is most definitely gonna


have someone talk at you is most definitely gonna die just as much as going to a taxi and hailing a taxi on the road that's going to die so what i think what's going to happen all this social media platforms will empower content creators to become universities on their own right so i care less about university of wisconsin i care more about university of ranvir you know university of biceps that's where i'm sending my kids i'm sending my kids to india's smartest podcast to learn podcasting you know so it's awesome yeah i mean that's that's the big bet so what you said about creating that thing called nas uh which means people in arabic we're creating something uh which is the indian parallel it's called big brain company with the same intention that i remember back when i was in college um the kind of education we get in sub-par indian culture so iit-iims are your top layer yeah which is like where less than 0.1 of the country will go yeah and then


0.1 of the country will go yeah and then ninety nine point nine percent of the country goes in these other colleges and you'd assume that okay maybe there's a spectrum but that's not true 99.9 percent of the country doesn't get a great education yeah because the professors are not well paid therefore it attracts the wrong kinds of professors therefore there's just a lack of teaching and you do need a certain level of teaching everything that i've learned in life is through people it's rarely through reading yeah it's it's usually because of this 90 of education happens through people not through watching videos like through live interactions that's why i don't know big brand how you're building it but nasa academy is primarily a live education company uh rather than just pre-recorded video go watch it whenever you feel like it so i think like right now i'm learning right like if if you you know if you made five hour long video about uh life the completion rate on that is


video about uh life the completion rate on that is gonna be like four percent two percent i mean you see the completion rate on online content but if you sit someone with you live the completion with that may actually be eighty ninety percent and it's about the education is about completion rate not purchase rate you know most people say wow we have sold five million courses great but what percent of that was completion rate uh so that's what i think i would i would focus on a lot in in in nas academy and in other universities you know that's that's a beautiful insight man um and you know they say that the future of social media is live streaming i feel we're taking baby steps in that direction uh but completely agree with you they say that china is usually one or two steps ahead of the rest of the world in terms of their social media and i think live streaming was mass is still massive in china but it's been massive for like the last 10 years when the world has been using instagram


last 10 years when the world has been using instagram and all that their biggest influences are live streamers crazy crazy to think about and i mean i'm it's only a matter of time until it comes to india and u.s and whatnot yeah so since we are talking about countries in general uh i have to i have to touch upon travel because that's usually some of the questions we get for you uh but you know there's some places and pardon my language that you up in a good way let's start with india what what effed you up about india in a positive way it's uh actually it's it's a city called varanasi so uh varanasi screwed me over man have you been to varanasi i know that you were you had some trouble there and a friend of mine actually helped you with the trouble i used jason no way oh i know i use dude what india is such a small country everybody knows everybody it's crazy or maybe the top one percent knows


it's crazy or maybe the top one percent knows the top one percent because you you guys are the top one percent no varanasi screwed me over because you know i've never seen a human body burn right i don't know if you have but i've in the muslim religion you don't see that so seeing hindus burn dead bodies and and and throwing the ashes in the river for me is like a big mind f you know my like how is this possible why are they doing this and is this allowed um and you know i you know i was when i was there i got exposed to a whole new set of different beliefs man i gotta make a video about this we have this video this in two weeks you'll see this video on the internet um and so you know seeing a dead body floating down the ganga river for me was like wow there's a billion people that believe something that i don't believe in and that's when it opened my eyes to the idea that you know what


opened my eyes to the idea that you know what really nobody has the answers i may not be as right as i think i am and maybe they're not as right as they think they are uh so let's just accept them for who they are let's celebrate with their traditions i'll celebrate with my traditions call it a truce and go on with our lives but you know because that before that you think you're right you go to varanasi and you're like oh my god this is next level so maybe they're right yeah um you know the way i look at it and this is again this brings me back to the debate between vegans versus meat eaters uh so i've been i've been a meat eat all my life and i turned vegetarian about three years ago and i feel like both are constantly at it they're constantly like fighting yeah but the way i look at it is reality for a human being is subjective you believe what's right and wrong based on your perspectives so


what's right and wrong based on your perspectives so meat would be food to someone and it would be dead animals to another human being but in your heart if you feel something's right then okay fine that might be right for you and the other thing i believe is um as long as you're not hurting other human beings you know you're not treat people as you would want to be treated that's the most important rule of life and then everything else is subjective just don't hurt other human beings physically mentally emotionally spiritually that's probably how i look at reality man did you become vegetarian because um because of your religion or because of health or because of animals um so partly because of animals i got two dogs ten years ago and that's where those stickers started ticking you know that oh wait these things are also just like human beings therefore i should stop eating meat and uh the primary reason was meditation man like i meditate a lot and uh so in india that's the


a lot and uh so in india that's the blessing about being born in this country you have access to good meditation schools so in the gym you know there's a technique behind how you lift weights or a particular kind of exercise it does something to your body there are techniques in the mental fitness and meditation world which you need to learn from a proper school um india has access to 100 schools like that all of which are good a thousand which are not good but there are a hundred that are good so um i mean i just all the schools kind of converged at that idea where they said that if you turn vegetarian it'll be better for your meditation you'll be able to go deeper in your meditations and the the nature of our careers content creators is extremely rapid um also if you take on entrepreneurship as an added challenge you're lifting a very heavy load compared to the average human and i figure that hold up if i want to be able to lift that load i


i want to be able to lift that load i need to have a really strong mental muscle i saw that the meditation was helping that mental muscle and then anything that aided the meditation would be my go-to so that's the vegetarianism yo that's cool i've i've never had someone say that before that that's the reason why they became vegetarian do you think it i mean i became a vegetarian too last year for not similar reasons but my reasons were slightly different is like i only do what i need to do i don't know i don't do anything i don't need to do so i don't need to buy a different t-shirt so i have 20 of the same t-shirt i don't need to show up to someone's party or whatever so i don't go so i only do what i need to do so when it came to food i was like i don't need need to kill a freaking animal just to uh just to put in my mouth i don't need i can i can just


my mouth i don't need i can i can just i can take a cauliflower man cauliflower is awesome um so so you know and i think it has some added benefits to be honest with you i did not feel anything like i still get tired i still i still feel hungry i still uh don't meditate like i don't feel different but i but in the heart it feels better that's it can i can i be rude enough to urge you to meditate just because i know you you're someone with big missions in life man and it just it just gives you that added weapon you know why not have that magically charged sword with you that's a very good question my girlfriend has been asking me to do yoga and meditate all the time i've never right now i have i'm not sold enough i may be sold in five years 10 years but i'm not sold enough that uh that is for me um but it makes sense meditation makes sense yeah at your own pace man like uh


makes sense yeah at your own pace man like uh i remember when i started meditating it was in the form of an experiment because i was a power lifter back then and i thought and i read that it helps with muscle recovery so i was like okay powerlifting is my goal therefore let's meditate but you really see the benefits only a month into it so until you've gone you've put your body through it for a month you before you're mindful for a month you won't even see the difference ah see to be fully honest with you i'm a little bit scared of meditation because i know that right now the energy that i have for nas daily and the reason i work on nasa day all the time is because i know it's all fake you know the nas group all this it's all fake like it doesn't make me give you happy making money doesn't make you happy building a company doesn't make you happy like i know it's a fake dream pipe dream and i think that meditation will make


dream pipe dream and i think that meditation will make me realize it's all fake and will make me focus on the things that don't actually help you in your career so you know such as you know spending more time with friends and family being happy going on long walks don't win and i'm like do i want you know i'd like to continue believing the lie for the next few years yeah yeah so um okay i mean i'm and this is just me sharing my experience i had an ayahuasca experience when i was 22 years old uh you're familiar with what i was yes yeah so uh life-changing all that and my hesitation about doing it back then was exactly what you're saying i don't want to let go of my career and i want to be tough with it and the shaman back then had told me that it'll only give you what you need and that's when i realized that there's two games going on inside you okay one is the purpose you're born with which is what you're


the purpose you're born with which is what you're doing through nas what you're doing through nas daily uh it's your purpose that's what you're going for in life you have that warrior mentality with that purpose you have a mission in life and nothing usually shakes you off it but the second purpose you strongly have to have and this is just something i've learned from both the world of meditation and the pixar movie soul which i highly recommend everyone i saw it last week nice it's a nice place the nice one it's it's about getting high in the present moment yes you find highs in everything i am joyous right now that i'm talking to you and that you're teaching me and i'm just with you i'm nowhere else the ability to be in that present moment and derive juice out all that joy from the present moment is what meditation actually gives you so it won't make you i mean at least in my experience i have the same issues as you i'd exactly what you said


same issues as you i'd exactly what you said you're scared about you losing your bite with your career the focus i personally didn't feel that and again this is not me convincing you man this is just sharing my experience because i feel like i have the same mindset as you yeah yeah like it just helped me be grounded in the present and at the same time it made that vision even more clear it gave me a lot of clarity with the mission statement that i'm doing this for this and i also hear you talking about how you feel it's fake because that's something i felt as well like at one point i said i know all this is an image it's too virtual it's numbers and then kids wrote to me about how they didn't commit suicide because of some piece of content we made three years ago which i'd forgotten about and then someone else wrote to me about how they came out of breakup when i was going through the worst breakup of my life and reading that kind


worst breakup of my life and reading that kind of got me out of my breakup and i realized that whoa you know this work we're doing because we're so locked in on the next piece of content we don't realize this big bang business that's been built that's so cool remember the beginning of the conversation sometimes i said i feel indian because like i i like i see myself in exactly what you said like like i think we have a lot of shared experiences um i totally agree with you i think at some point i like that line where you said uh it gives you what you need um the only issue right now what i need is a good finance manager to join my company well outsourced to india man outsourced to india there's a lot of smart indians out there who looking for jobs in the content space yes yes we're hiring and if anyone is looking uh uh please supply uh jobs that's nice daily i have a section on this podcast from our twitter verse where twitter


section on this podcast from our twitter verse where twitter sends in questions for you but prior to that just as a brother here's a question man uh despite the meditation despite all the blessings of my life there are days where i end up feeling you know a little bit heavy i won't say low i won't say sad i'd say heavy with whatever's been built over the last few years and just you know the pressures of the social media life do you ever have those kind of days because you seem like someone who's perpetually positive well i know that's not possibly true definitely not true still would love to hear yeah i'd love to hear your perspective so i think the best people to answer that question are the people that are closest to you right because you we may have a fake image of who we are i may say i'm very positive but in reality i give away a lot of negative vibes you know uh you know so there's that possibility so i think the truth is everybody


that possibility so i think the truth is everybody loves eating sausage nobody wants to see how the sausage is made and at the company we are making sausages you know we're not enjoying sausages this is delicious so i think there's there's a fair amount of negative vibes that i give away there's a fair amount of stress that i add to the lives of the people around me and there's also there's a fair amount of positivity and kindness that i had in order to make the sausage so i i think it's important to be aware of that i'm aware of that and i accept it i hope the people around me accept it i do feel quite stressed often i do feel quite quite lost quite often um and i feel sad you know you know twice three times a month something like that um what what saddens you i think as i say comparison is a is the thief of joy you know when you compare yourself to others in different times you know i i don't want


others in different times you know i i don't want to be like i'm not j shetty right jay shetty makes positive videos and is positive in real life he's like i'm contempt i'm i've i've mastered i have the solution to perpetual happiness inside and for me i don't have the solution to perpetual happiness inside in fact i'm very tumultuous what makes me sad is comparison i compare myself to others and i'm like how did they do it and how do i not know how to do it why are they ahead in this race that we're at you know so i do ask myself these questions a lot um another thing that makes me sad is you know endless dissatisfaction when i when i first got into harvard um you know i went home to tell my dad hey i got into harvard and he's like great what's next you've just begun i was like i know this is this is it there is nothing else that matters i am a harvard student i could die now we


i am a harvard student i could die now we are done and why are you not happy about this that's crazy now you know eight years later i realized it is nothing to to be a harvest student and there's a lot more you can do so that perpetual hunger can make you sad and feeling hungry and left and and and dissatisfied and i suffer from that all the time um i'm inspired by people like you who or you know or your mentors maybe you haven't reached it yet i don't think you've reached it yet uh but yeah and i i haven't i don't deal with your first problem the comparison thing my follow-up question to you was going to be do you know the root cause of the comparison because i know the root cause of my lack of comparison my mom always told me that i'm the best so like it kind of it's it's a subconscious mentality i don't compare myself to anyone do you think you're the best that's my real question to you


you're the best that's my real question to you now i think i think i'm the best in terms of effort at my job and there is there is a deeply spiritual side to the work i do the code line of the bhagavad gita is of course which means yeah which means that you put in maximum effort into your work and you don't worry about the results um yeah so i think that's where we are different maybe i'm not indian after all because you grew up as a majority right you you look around there's 1.4 billion people that have similar culture to some extent they call themselves indian but i grew up as a minority and i think growing up as a minority does mess you up a little bit because you grow up with a minority complex in the minority complex is real whereby society is telling you you're not good enough not just your mom your dad society on the whole doesn't think you're worthy and that messes you up forever so i think


and that messes you up forever so i think the reason why i compare myself to others because i know i'm not the best in fact i'm not good enough to to be worthy of people's time and attention now that is changing slowly as nas daily becomes more successful that slowly changes but eventually minority complexes stay with you for a long time so i always feel like i have something to prove i always feel like i have to be better than the other because the other is the majority that has told me i'm not good enough and i would like to tell them thank you in their face but i'm unable to at this point but i hopefully i will do that in 10 years you're a reference point for a lot of content creators all over the world therefore their audiences and of course your audience as well man so trust me you got this dude like yo you know ronaldo thinks he's not the best so it's one of them because he is not the best it's messy the


because he is not the best it's messy the joke is a joke yeah i mean you know you know what i mean dude yeah yeah yeah i know i i know i mean you're right it is um i think also you could feel it too though but not on a country level but on a global level like an indian is not equal to a swiss person i'll tell you that okay 100 unfortunately yep so you know i i complete i hear you man and i've felt these emotions you speak of again it's just all like the same grind we put ourselves through as content creators in terms of learning about cameras and sound and content and pace i put myself through a grind of spiritual learnings which just answered a lot of these questions for me so um i that's the only thing i'd credit stuff to um if you'd allow me to psychoanalyze you a little bit yes yes please please give it to me give it to me straight don't make it nice don't don't make it nice


don't make it nice don't don't make it nice give it to me straight yeah don't don't worry about it i i just feel that um i love you man and i feel like you're an inspiration to yourself you are very mission oriented but uh you're super harsh on yourself and it's gonna take you it's gonna like in india we have a kind of meditation called vipassana vipassana which is 10 days of just silence oh yeah you know who does that every year you all know harare yeah yeah uh if you go for vipassana you'll end up crying out a lot of pent up emotions inside you from your childhood from your experiences and when you come out of it you'll you'll feel a lot lighter therefore a lot more you'll have a lot more clarity and with that clarity you'll be able to go even faster than you already are going you're one of the fastest in the world right now you're using bolt of this industry but you'll be able to break


bolt of this industry but you'll be able to break even more records and that's just what i think man again this is not me pushing you to meditate i'm speaking from experience this is a very fair point and my girlfriend says that all the time i'm harsh in myself i'm also harsh on the people around me uh so i could also be like harsh on the ones who are closest to me this is fair feedback but here's the thing right the harshness works it's working it does yeah uh for sure for sure but um a businessman of miner told me that you know if you get from point a to b with certain methods and you're constantly asking yourself how do i increase my speed from b to c you're not gonna get there with a different speed if you don't change things up so the question in your head right now is about how to make this faster like i can see a lot of speed in your life it's not just because of how fast-paced your content is you


not just because of how fast-paced your content is you think with a lot of speed you uh you create solutions with a lot of speed uh so speed is what you desire also in your heart and you'll get that speed when you silence yourself as well so you know just the way half an hour of lifting weights makes your muscles bigger you'll gain that mental speed by just silence for half an hour i like that i like that you know i would like to do that just as an experiment uh yeah there's a very high chance i end up liking it i think not talking for 10 days is something my team dreams of so so that could be very interesting to try i i would try like i wouldn't say no to this like if i come to india you have to be your half time yeah it'll be a half time and and you know man i see i see you as an author a production house guy an entrepreneur everything going forward and this is just going to equip you to get


and this is just going to equip you to get there that's my psychoanalysis full stop none of this anymore how much did it cost me zero dollars that's why i like you it yeah so love the singer has promised me a trip to the himalayas because he's also in the same zone you're in way way more dark though he did a podcast with us where he's going through a really dark time and he's admitted that who would love the solution love love the guy who did i like me better when i'm with you that guy so anyway he's this big he's this big electronic pop beautiful music you should check it out um some of his songs actually change some thought processes for me wow uh same logic you need to spend time in the himalayas meet people there for real it will help you i gotta say man i gotta say you you are promoting the image of india as a spiritual country to the max i will spend it in a mountain in kilimanjaro


will spend it in a mountain in kilimanjaro is that as spiritual why is that mountain so unique what's wrong with the mountain in the emirates um you okay this is gonna be a long conversation but any any any place uh any places culture is a sum total of every human being that's lived within that culture since history began and just the kind of wisdom that's been exchanged in the himalayas the kind of mental health talk the kind of mental fitness talk the kind of evolutionary thinking talk that's gone on in the himalayas has changed the culture there the rest of the country has not adopted a lot of those features and that's why a lot of the rest of the country suffers but you will find true peace true love true happiness when you explore corners of the himalayas most of which are not explored um okay that's fair so fair point yeah fair point okay we're gonna do a quick twitter verse uh kind of uh section of this podcast so these are your questions from


section of this podcast so these are your questions from uh you know uh indian twitter followers uh try making it short if you can because i want to cover maximum questions but feel free to let your emotions carry it through niraj mohit asks one thing travel has taught you that humans are ninety nine point nine percent similar got it um asks what do you think is the best aspect of your videos why do people follow you it's the same reason why people hate me it's that in your face energy straight to the point value addition got it um kervet fitness asks how do you maintain all your energy despite traveling so much and recording and editing so many videos um it's the feeling that you are in the penalty it's like minute 90 in a soccer match and you're about to hit a penalty shot and score a goal and win the match the world cup that adrenaline feeling keeps you going no matter what happens and that's how it feels right now right uh i i feel


how it feels right now right uh i i feel you man okay the nanogram asks what do you do when you're physically exhausted what is this bananagram what what a username um the anagram nano anyway go on oh i see the game bananagram um i sleep that's it i love sleep got it colic devnat asks uh since nasa has traveled all over the world uh he he's probably seen nature being disrespected a lot but what other negative thing are human beings all over the world doing collectively uh human beings in most of the world collectively disrespect women uh i've seen that in many many many many cultures right unfortunately that's something i hope yeah that's something i hope that content will change um because it's the content creators who are going to be thought leaders of the future deep uprighty asks how does one become like nash daily i know you're going to say be the first leap but still how what's the secret to being nas daily uh a thousand day commitment to doing


nas daily uh a thousand day commitment to doing something every single day no matter what i think you'll end up being your own version of nash daily okay asks describe north korea in one sentence um the america of asia except the opposite where everybody is as restricted as possible unlike in america or everybody's as free as possible um it's the extr it's the other spectrum of humanity got it uh okay vigil vijayan asks nas could you name your role models please uh beer biceps casey neistat um my role models uh um i i don't i don't like role models i'd say inspirations so casey neistat was an inspiration uh because because your role model implies you want to model things around a person uh i don't i don't want to model things around a person but i'm inspired by a person casey neistat richard branson um and mark zuckerberg beautiful and i don't i don't see anything else stop you from getting that to that kind of a legacy and i'm not


that to that kind of a legacy and i'm not just saying that but you probably you probably need another content creator sometimes tell you that dude because a content creator is the only other person who has the perspective that you have yeah in some situations in life at least that's wrong um okay interesting question anirudh roy asks how do you fund your travel is it just from brands uh it started with self-funded you know i saved enough money and and i just started making you know started spending it and slowly once you get more followers you make a little bit more money uh now i fund my life through the company the company makes money it's a production company and an academy so that's how we fund uh through contracts and corporate and government work and all that stuff uh it's corporate stuff got it sanu asks uh as you've traveled to so many countries what's the most fascinating thing you like about india and the people of india um the most thing i like about people in india is that


most thing i like about people in india is that uh i think everybody feel i think i'm yet to meet an indian that doesn't have energy like like made a friend with an indian like most indians have energy they're they're like they're always on the ones that i met i mean there's a lot of course that don't have um i think that's what i like i also what i like and also don't like about india is that it's not uniform at all like zero there's nothing there's no statement you can say that every indian agrees with even the word india some people say no i'm not indian i'm south indian no no i'm not indian you know i'm i'm i'm i'm uh i'm tamil okay i'm sorry no that's that's true man uh people consider it just like a coagulation of many countries in one and that actually creates some issues but maybe in like 10 20 years because of globalization the indians will kind of be a little more unified actually big hope and


of be a little more unified actually big hope and if i was if i was up to me i'd probably make 30 india's instead of one india and i would just make 30 different countries called india yeah uh they i i just i don't the the the solo diversity i think it makes it difficult to go through with like progress to some extent right right oh jason kapoor asks and this is the last question of the day what is the thing nasa would do if he gained complete financial independence and all his material desires were fulfilled the exact same thing i'm doing right now it has already been fulfilled everything i desire has been already fulfilled materially speaking uh so this is this isn't for the money um but that's a good that was a good question that was a very good question yeah yeah so create content out of the pure joy of creating content and impacting the world yep yeah and build a company i'd say build a company that creates content slightly different um but that's


company that creates content slightly different um but that's now like yeah a company version of the man nasty exactly that's exactly it institutionalized gorgeous brother institutionalize the individual right this was a very fun chat this is a fun podcast so many questions that i've wanted to ask you for years since i started watching wow and got answered today ron veer uh we should meet in person not for podcast just in person when i'm in india for sure yeah this was very fun do hit me up uh one i'd i'd request you to give the youth of the world one last message you know or if not the youth of the world just the 16 year old version of yourself what would you tell that person oh wow man you leave the hardest question to the end i would say my only advice is look at what everybody around you is doing and do the opposite that almost always works almost always works beautiful yeah god bless you brother god bless you too my friend and i yeah i'm sure


you too my friend and i yeah i'm sure you will achieve what you've set out to achieve uh thank you for sharing all this positivity thank you man thank you so much for having me on your podcast and i will see you in the himalayas very very soon keep it up see you soon bye-bye for sure [Music] you


well i think the aggression comes because you don't want to embarrass yourself you don't want to lose the game and there's and there's nothing wrong like i think the mistake that we make in australia and probably the same over in india is that what we're being taught now at schools as sportsmen or sports women is just give it a go it doesn't matter if you win or you lose just give it a go and i understand where they're coming from right but i don't always agree with that comment because if you say okay in sporting school just give it a go it doesn't matter if you win doesn't matter if you lose [Music] [Music] brett lee do you have any idea how much you and your pumping celebration is loved in india thank you my name is [Laughter] do you have any idea about the amount of love this country has for you i know that you have a lot of love for the country but you're still remembered as one of the most loved cricketers


remembered as one of the most loved cricketers the country seen well look that's a that's a lovely uh comment so thank you very much and and i i love your beautiful country which is why i kept coming back i've had some amazing moments and memories in india and i love it it's the most amazing it's my second home which is why i love it what's the most common question that you're asked in india like when you're giving interviews in india what do they ask you to do uh they asked me to sing they asked me to um do some shahrukh khan line from a famous movie like karina or whatever it is katrina excuse me um this just some some strange stuff but look it's it's all good it's all fun and that's what life's about can i ask you a slightly curveball of a question to begin with okay is it is it true that you had a crush on pretty into and you wanted to get married to her no look she


you wanted to get married to her no look she she's a great friend of mine actually um when we first met back in about 2003 i think it was at the eifer awards at bollywood awards yeah we sort of met there and i i had to introduce her as a the leading actress award and there were still four names and i wasn't allowed to look in the envelope to see who won because it was all done professionally when i said and the award for the lindy actress goes to here are the nominations and up on the screen the four names came up and i thought all i can do is pronounce one name all i can pronounce is pretty inter i'm trying to put his inter and of course it was pretty center you know back back then i wasn't as uh familiar with the the bollywood scene and just getting to know it didn't understand it and then playing for kingsley we've become really good mates and and that's what life is it's about new friendships and uh


what life is it's about new friendships and uh yeah she she's a wonderful person a great actor and a you know a great human so if you had to describe your career in cricket in one sentence how would you do it and then how do you also describe your career post retirement in one sentence i think my career in one sentence from my outlook would be hopefully someone that watched me play enjoyed watching me play as an entertainer and they would say that he always gave his best now i don't i wasn't there for the record books i wasn't there for the notoriety i wasn't there for the fame uh i was there to entertain to have fun and i loved it and hopefully people enjoyed it and what about your career post-retirement hopefully i'm hoping that they're enjoying my commentary i hope they enjoy my insights into i guess what allowed me to play at the top level for close to you know 20 years um certainly 13 years of that for australia


um certainly 13 years of that for australia and i'm also so glad now that i'm still being involved in qriket to watch these young guys coming through beautiful so we put up a question on our twitter we requested our fans to send in uh their questions for you and the most common question was how did you actually get so fast because i mean lately we are seeing a resurgence of fast bowling in india i won't call it a resurgence but like you know this birth of fast bowling in india has happened and this entire generation has watched you and glenn mcgrath bowling really fast especially you uh so how did you reach that mark of being considered one of the world's fastest ever like is it something you build up on is it something you're gifted with naturally i think it's definitely a natural gift that i i have been lucky enough to get ren beer so my my mother was a sprinter so she had very very um fast twitch fibres she was obviously


very very um fast twitch fibres she was obviously gifted with the you know ability to run very very fast and then we probably got those genetics so to make a good fast bowler you have to be a good runner first and foremost so i you know i did like a lot of athletics growing up a lot of sprint work and a lot of determination because people can bowl 140 k's or guys might be able to bowl 145ks but for how long can they do it and and not not that long because it's hard work it's hard on the body you know you have to play with pain consistently you have to be able to play with muscles that are strained ligaments that are torn bones that are broken which i've played through all of that and it's it's having that mental strength upstairs that actually makes you the bowl that you are so with the love of the game with the passion with the uh determination that's what makes a good fast bowler i think yeah uh they say


a good fast bowler i think yeah uh they say that fast bowling is not meant for the human body just the nature of fast bowling yeah but at what age do you start feeling that do you feel that early when you're training to become a fastball or do you start getting injuries then itself or is it like overtime well i think when you i was always very short growing up uh you know at school i was one of the shortest and i had a growth spurt at about the age of 15 16. and about 15 years of age i because you know i started playing when i was nine and i was always the fastest bowler in the team i never won the bowl spin i couldn't bat so i guess bowling was the only option and at the age of 15 i just thought you know what there's there's something here that i'm playing against guys who are 22 years of age and i'm bowling as fast as them and that really excited me so then i i pushed that


really excited me so then i i pushed that next level it kept trying to push and push and push and of course you know you get your first injury mine was my lower back i had a broken back i was in a back brace for 16 weeks and the easy option for me would have been give up um focus on my studies focus on another career path but i thought no i'm meant to play cricket good for australia so i'm not going to give up until i do it gorgeous um who would you say was your mentor in the australian cricket team you made a debut against us again so again there's a connection for you but but within your own team i'm sure you had like a big brother whatever you want to call it and what did that person teach you all those people what those people teach you well the the one person i continue to look up to is probably stephen wall you know our captain uh the type of guy that just always wanted the best for his


of guy that just always wanted the best for his plays and always demanded the best for his players and got the best from his place because everyone looked up to him and actually didn't want to let him down so if if if you don't want to let your captain down you don't want to let your team down you don't let your country down you don't let your you know the fans down it all snowballs from that so even to this day i you know i still love catching up i caught up with steve last week and we had a bit of a chat and we had a pizza and you know just came at the good times and i don't know it's just that he was very strong with that mental strength that mental disintegration of other teams making sure that when you have a team down you keep them down you know they keep the from the throat type of mentality but then also after the game's finished be the first gun to change room and shake hands and that was very important to me very


shake hands and that was very important to me very very important yeah um i read saurav gangali's autobiography and he's written in detail about steve was team and how he wanted to bring that that kind of culture to the new age indian and that's why they say that okay you know gangoli was the first guy who brought aussie flair to indian cricket um but also i i gotta highlight the bowling unit because that was the bowling unit we feared like you glenn mcgrath jason so when you all were facing that indian batting lineup with all our greats seva gambhir ganguly dravid tendulkar obviously what were your conversations lakshman in what what were your conversations in that bowling unit amongst each other because you know y'all are out there aggressively like to go and get wickets so what did y'all talk about was it always strategy was it aggression because when uh everyone saw the amazon prime series the test i'm sure you have as well and that opened


test i'm sure you have as well and that opened our eyes to the other side of cricket so i'm curious about that what were the conversations like well it was like you have to make sure that you know the team back to front you have to know their strengths their weaknesses um even to the extent of of what what they like and what they don't like away from sport so any little advantage as an australian cricketer was definitely going to help us win a test match um know that know the guys that are frail know the guys that uh might be a bit soft know the guys that might be a bit weak or not you know know guys that you don't talk to at all you know there were there were guys around the world if i played against brian lara or sachin tandooka i never said a word because i knew if i said a word they would then just go switch on and then they'd bet the whole day right so and then and there were plays


whole day right so and then and there were plays where it was okay to say a few words and try to sort of get underneath their feathers um that's all part of the game you know that that whole sledging or gainsmanship is fine provide that you stay within the laws of the game but most importantly within the laws of life you know you're not going to go and racially vilify someone swear so the kids at home are watching or listening on tv so provide that you you don't cross those boundaries which you know no one ever should then it's fun like you know i'd i'd be if i was playing up against you now um i was saying that's a uh that's a lovely uh blue shirt you're wearing mate did you buy that off your little brother you know stuff like that but it's a great shirt but then you know you you you think deep down is it too tight is it a nice shirt is it not a nice shirt it's a great shirt but that's just an


shirt it's a great shirt but that's just an example so then you get inside people's minds they start thinking about the shirt then they don't think about the next question or they start thinking about not playing the next the next ball or you know your uh teammates were saying that you hit the ball harder than anyone else in the world but what i've seen today you know you you actually hit them quite soft then they might try and hit a hard shot nick one off fun stuff like that so hey it's it's all part of um that gamesmanship you basically try flicking them off their focus field it's all part of it it's great and and as a bowler they say that fast bowling is probably the toughest job on the cricket field and probably in the cricket world because you've got to put your body through so much and at the same time we had glenn mcgraw on this podcast he also spoke about how important mental toughness is for any athlete but especially for a fast


is for any athlete but especially for a fast bowler so uh i want to highlight two aspects of your career while you were playing your physical fitness game and your mental fitness game how did those two games evolve after you started playing professionally uh good question i think when you first make the australian cricket team or the first team in general when a young rishabh plays for india or a brittany shaw or someone like that or me playing for australia i think it's about 80 ability and 20 mental strength then over a number of months years it becomes 20 ability and 80 mental strength because you've already got there because of your talents and talent is is something that you can go in form slumps and stuff right but it's how you deal with that form slump so for me it was always how do i get out of that rut how do i get my body right so it's that mental strength so i know that i'm in terms of physical fitness all that those skills i think i'm okay to play


all that those skills i think i'm okay to play this level but do i actually believe i'm okay to play this level if you don't believe it you're not going to be any good if you believe it and you commit to it then you then you'll be a good player if you haven't got the talent and you believe that you're better than what you are then obviously that's not going to work either so it changes and the guys that have um have done well in in sport aren't necessarily the most talented gifted players we always hear and you've heard this probably a thousand times that guy or that girl is so talented but they just couldn't get on with it that player is he's such a talented player but he keeps getting out um that that businessman is so talented he's so switched on but he just can't close a deal it's got to be upstairs it has to be that mental strength so i've always believed that you've got to harness that raw natural talent


that you've got to harness that raw natural talent if you have a natural talent you won't make the team period so you have to have natural talent if you've got natural talent and you work on those skills then you'll be good but to get that next level that's when that mental strength kicks in how do you train that like i'm sure it's not everyone's cup of tea to just have it from the get go so is it the teammates who kind of give you the mental strength do they make you do meditation what is it how do you work on it i think it's i think it comes from your family most importantly firstly my my mother was the athlete and my dad was that mental strength uh never give up never say die attitude and together my parents were the perfect blend for us i mean i was so lucky uh you know and i've got a very very close relationship with both my parents and they are you know they've been married for nearly 50 years they are the most


been married for nearly 50 years they are the most amazing people not 50 years i think 40 years i should say 40 odd years they're not that old um close but yeah so they um you know they they told me from a young age about what that mental strength's like then it becomes how stubborn you are i think stubbornness is sometimes frowned upon because someone says oh you're stubborn or she's stubborn that that can be fine too a person that's stubborn is okay because they they generally get what they want so to get to where you got to i'm sure you've had setbacks i'm sure people have said to you um it's a hard industry you know try something different that's the easy option go you know go the safe option but look at you now you know you're achieving your dream through hard work dedication and being stubborn in a nice way and that's fine so it's that that that stubbornness that i take is that when someone says you can't do it right i'll say about that


you can't do it right i'll say about that they're not proving them wrong but prove to yourself they also say that fast bowlers are the craziest people on the cricket field is that probably do you do you think it's a way to have a bit of that one favor definitely yeah i think glenn mcgrath said the same thing but i've also got a highlight of physical fitness because it was one of the questions sent in by our twitter just before you uh kind of dive into that question i want to highlight what you mentioned earlier about fast twitch muscle fibers versus slow twitch muscle fibers so they say that people are genetically gifted with more of one of the two so either gifted with more fast twitch or more slow twitch and usually people are gifted with more slow twitch are better endurance athletes but people are gifted with more fast twitch are more explosive athletes so say someone like a bradley or a fast bowler would have a lot of fast switch muscle


bowler would have a lot of fast switch muscle fibers probably and someone who's like a great test batsman might have more slow twitch fibers fall you know yeah um but how would you kind of talk about your own fitness brett like how did that go up because we've seen how the performance of the indian cricket team changed after kohli introduced fitness so and and we've also seen you and andrew simons and um say like ricky ponting who are fit always and we would see our team which wasn't at the same level in terms of physical fitness so what was your physical fitness regime and did it play a role in increasing your speed of your bowling well that that first point that you made about the the fast switch fibers or the slow twitch fibers that is what your genetic makeup is and you unfortunately can't change that so maybe speak to your parents if you don't believe you got the raw end or if you got a great deal but also too just because you you


a great deal but also too just because you you might get slow twitch fibers doesn't mean that you you can't achieve something in a different style so a spinner might have more slow twitch fibers but become one of the world's best spinners um you know they might not be the best runner in the team but they're a good batsman normally you see the guys that have the fast or the girls that are fast switch fibers generally go towards something that needs fast twitch fibers which is the reason why they are successful so a fast switch fiber person would generally be a runner like a sprinter um you know a soccer player that needs an explosiveness a boxer that needs that to be on sharp so you are i guess have funneled or or dovetailed into a chosen sport through what your ability is and that's just common knowledge and you have to accept that i mean i'm useless in the pool i can't i'm not i'm not a great swimmer but like you know that that's that


great swimmer but like you know that that's that endurance um athlete that that's it's different fitness me personally about fitness i want to be the fitness the the fittest in the team so all you know i wanted to be able to run the longest i want to be able to to bowl the most amount of overs um there was a game in adelaide where i bowled in a one day match i bought 10 over straight done it was like 40 degrees and i just wanted to do it because i had the physical fitness to do it and actually felt great and so to me it's like having a a regime without having a diet i you know i do not believe in fad diets you know people starve himself for two days and they don't eat their garb lost five kilos great well they lost five kilos of water or five liters of water and they eat again they drink and they put it all back on so consistently consistency is the most important thing uh i i live my life by


most important thing uh i i live my life by making sure that i i train in order to enjoy myself i love food i love having a cold beer i love eating greens i love being healthy so i love having chocolate so you know i'm saying i love healthy healthy green green i don't mind a pizza or a beer or some the odd fast food type of thing everything in moderation i think it's very hard to completely wipe something out and then not have anything of because then what happens is you know or people go five days of amazing eating and then they get the week and they go it's the cheat weekend and they eat all rubbish it pretty much just wrecks the whole week but if you can if you do things evenly with your training then you stay pretty fit but when you were uh when you were playing for australia what was your fitness regime like like was there a lot of weight training because i've heard you say in one of your old interviews that you didn't


in one of your old interviews that you didn't believe in lifting heavy weights especially if you're a fast bowler because you want to keep it light you want to keep it explosive so um you know could you like kind of lightly take us through your training regime as well as a diet so when i was playing uh for the aussie cricket team in test matches i i wanted to be what they call lean muscle mass so i wanted to enhance or embrace that fast twitch fibers now if i'm doing heavy slow weights like this and my shoulders are big and i've got big biceps i look good at the beach it's not going to help my bowling you might physically look great and be comfortable in your own setup but it won't help me bowl 150k out swingers so i needed lean muscle mass that i felt like i was quick could turn my feet over quickly so my average weight session would be some you know push-ups chin-ups sit-ups keeping it very simple which is stuff that


sit-ups keeping it very simple which is stuff that you know you can do at home you know you can find somewhere to do a chin up on a door somewhere or find a bar down the park or or you know do something push-ups and sit-ups uh and then i do a lot of sprint training so that that was generally my my fitness um when i was you know getting ready for a big test match so if i'm playing like they are on the 17th on thursday where are we now it's tuesday afternoon here in in sydney i would then go right i need to now start eating tonight i need to prepare for the game on thursday so my preparation in terms of what i'm eating starts today two days out so i'd start what they call it calm loading i have a lot of pasta sometimes a lot of red meat other times not a lot of red meat depending on how i felt you know i didn't want to feel sluggish but a lot of carbohydrate a lot of


but a lot of carbohydrate a lot of pasta as i mentioned heaps of hydration which is goes hand in hand so that when i get to the game i i've fueled my body there's no nothing worse than going into a game of cricket on imagine your car fuel tank being half empty and they say right you have to drive a thousand kilometers down the road but you've only got enough fuel to last you 500 you're not in a good place so i want to make sure that i didn't leave any stone unturned so i was rested enough without being too fresh so i'd probably rest the day before i would train really hard to have a good bowl two or three days out like flat out as quick as i could for maybe an hour bowl bowl bowl bowl bowl um the option the day before on wednesday like tomorrow i'd go you know what i've had a really good bowl yesterday or today i feel good i'm gonna have just a light walk get my my


gonna have just a light walk get my my you know my body feeling fresh again have a massage hop in the bath with some salts um smash my hydration have my pasta have a good night have my 80 hours sleep sleep's the most important thing and switch off cricket don't think about cricket on wednesday night get the guitar out sing some vocabulary relax and i'm saying i'm saying right you get to relax switch off cricket don't watch cricket don't think about cricket wake up in the morning have had a great sleep eight nine hours sleep your beauty have a coffee have a nice fueled breakfast then go right cricket starts in three hours okay who are we playing against india okay so i've done my preparation the last few days i worked on bowling my at swinger because i want to try nick of sachin tendulkar i then came around the wicket and followed the big entry in yorker to adam gilchrist who was then my sir of ganguly so i


who was then my sir of ganguly so i knew that when he came out to bed i've done the work already so that's the preparation doesn't always go your way but the more that you prepare the lucky that you become brett so you mentioned sachin uh is it fair to say that he was probably your biggest rival on the cricket field or in your career or if it wasn't him who was it oh definitely uh that there are there are two players well there are very three players that i will always talk about who i love to bowl to the first i always say sachin tendulkar absolutely why um the best in my opinion was one of the best batsmen ever to play the game if not the best uh brian lara i still believe that sachin tendulkar is the best batsman ever in my opinion brian lara is really close a different style of play so it's hard to compare different um styles of plays like if i bowled off stump line


of plays like if i bowled off stump line satchem would go hit me through mid off or cover and i knew that if i bowled leg stump he whipped me through mid wicket i could bowl to brian lara off stump line and he'd go bang down the ground for four next four same ball turn me around fall behind square next ball cut me through backward point before so unpredictable so that's the reason why and obviously because he's world-class brian lara and a great guy and the other guy is jack kellis i believe that in my opinion jack callus is the best cricketer in the world because when you think about a guy that is you know close to 300 test wickets can play in any team as a premier fast bowler and the amount of runs i mean scored excuse me think about jack kalas uh you know close to 300 test wickets can can score as many um you know wickets to take as many wickets as any premier fast bowler


as many wickets as any premier fast bowler or being a team that scored the same amount of runs as ricky ponting you combine uh you know a ricky ponting with a world-class fastball i put them together and that's jack kellis wow who would you say in the modern day if you could name like four or five batsmen from the modern day so your colleagues your rohit sharmas of the world your abw's who would be the closest to these three uh look i think some of the the best batsman i think uh closest to the standard of sachin tendulkar would have to be coley i mean his record is phenomenal if he plays another eight years he'll surpass any milestone that the world's ever set will he score 400 plus a test match i don't know will he play 200 test matches for india probably if you wanted to because what is he 30 oh he's like he's 30 31 32 30 32 i think yeah he's very fit maintains his fitness looks


think yeah he's very fit maintains his fitness looks after himself uh he's super committed he could play easily another eight years he could easily go past 200 test matches uh he's he's definitely one guy stephen smith is the other guy where i think can and and will be anything that he wants to be now if you look at steven smith's technique you go it's it's wrong it's everywhere it's all over the shop it's not high elbow hitting through the line the ball when he actually hits the ball his head is very still there's a lot of stuff that happens beforehand but it works for him he's got an unbelievable record so probably coley and stephen smith are the two guys i think that can you know well are destined for greatness right you know because you mentioned coley i've got to bring up the topic of aggression and this is something i ask glenn mcgrath as well when you're an international athlete you have to bring aggression to your game but post retirement


to bring aggression to your game but post retirement where does it go and i've also got to link you to my other question which is that does it go into entrepreneurship because a lot of people on twitter asked about that that a lot of cricketers post retirement end up getting into some form of business or entrepreneurship so do you fuel it there or if you don't fuel it there where does that aggression end up going well i think the aggression comes because you don't want to embarrass yourself you don't want to lose the game and there's and there's nothing wrong like i think the mistake that we make in australia and probably the same over in india is that what we're being taught now at schools as sportsmen or sports women is just give it a go doesn't matter if you win or you lose just give it a go and i understand where they're coming from right but i don't always agree with that comment because if you say okay in sport in school just give it a go


okay in sport in school just give it a go it doesn't matter if you win doesn't matter if you lose oh but hang on in your exams you can't fail you have to get 80 percent if you get below 50 you failed and then you you know you you know you're rubbish what's the difference you know you can't say on one hand doesn't matter whether you win or lose on the other hand so if if they said about your studies it doesn't matter as long as you have fun go in there and enjoy it i'm going to be an uproar wouldn't it so i i always say to kids play to win nothing wrong with with trying to win that's the reason why you play sport at the end of the day there's a winner and there's a loser that's that's what sport is but you have to be a gracious loser and a gracious winner so when you do lose which will happen and i've lost so many times understand why you lost how you lost and how that would never


you lost how you lost and how that would never happen again but also embrace the fact that someone else has won and they've done a good job so make it hurt you make it go okay this has really hurt me inside okay i'm going to do all that separately but congratulations to india the one way that you guys played today what a great win really happy for you such and getting you you know you your 4200 brilliant inside of my head i'm going that's i'm really happy for him i'm generally happy for him then the other part of me are going right out next game mate let me get you out so wow that's that's going to be the mindset it's going to be the mindset so that that's i've gone off in a bit of a tangent but that's that's that's one thing where you know the the schooling um and and social aspects i would change about you know we we don't want to breed children that are just vanilla you know they're just


children that are just vanilla you know they're just floating down the road they're just whatever you know we want people to be good athletes but respect the game and when you lose make sure that you appreciate the person that's won yeah and that's what i love about australians generally you're a great conversationalist you all have this channelized aggression i feel in you and this is from all the australians i've met while i'm traveling if it's glenn i've spoken to on the podcast you it's always the same trait yeah great conversationalist channelized aggression really friendly really really friendly what's why why does that happen like what's this culture of australia that breeds people like yourself or glenn mcgregor or ben simmons or anyone i think i think it comes down to that the last part of that second last question was you know where does the aggression go well it stays in the field that's that's why i have other interests in life like i've always made sure that even whilst


life like i've always made sure that even whilst i was playing for australia so at the age of 17 i i started working in a menswear store and i still work at a menswear store today i still got a clothing line which i i do with the same boss that gave me the opportunity because i believe if someone gives you a chance in life you should always look after them and it's great for me so it keeps me keeps me grounded it's a great outlet away from sport i love my music so when i've been playing in sydney it's now day three of the the third test and i'm in sydney and satin's on 133 not out we've got india you know two for 280. if i go back to my hotel room and think about why did i bowl that bouncer why did i uh bowl the yorker water bottle at full toss how come i didn't try that i'd be i'd be a nervous wreck i'd go home and i'd switch off


wreck i'd go home and i'd switch off so the aggression stays on the field get the guitar out i recalibrate my my life and my zen enjoy my night get a good night's sleep get in the morning have a swim feel fresh or thrash in the pool as i said because i'm not a great swimmer get to the ground and go right game on okay what did i do wrong yesterday this this is this clear mind feel fresh go out and do it you know virat kohli or sachin they always talk about how much they enjoyed touring australia and they say that they kind of feel different obviously they're indian cricketers so here they'd get like hounded if they go out on the road but they also talk about the country that it and they also talk about it as one of the favorite their favorite places to travel in so what can you know an average indian expect if he's coming to australia what does he take back there because i feel that every place you


take back there because i feel that every place you travel to gives you something so what would australia give an indian love love and a great time and that's that's you know the most exciting part about what we're going through right now with this whole pandemic covered and i look i'm i'm so excited to 2021 to click over or click in whichever way you want to look at it so 2020 can go and get stuff if i'm allowed to say that it's been a horrible year for a lot of people so i'm looking forward to 2021 because it's going to be a fresh year a fresh start the way that the australian [Music] public have dealt with this pandemic the way the australian government have done what they've done has allowed us to come back to a normal back end of the year and have a normal life again i i can now leave my house and go down the road grab a coffee sit next to a person have a chat um go and have a beer at


have a chat um go and have a beer at a pub go and sit in a restaurant have a feed you know and do all these normal things again which we now you know we always did take for granted now we love it and the fact that i'm not in the bubble this is amazing so what we offer as australians are a place you know an island a big island a massive country that is relatively if not covert free because yeah the covered cases that have come in from overseas have been put into a isolation and all the the normal transmissions that happen between people to people hasn't happened now for a long time so that you know we're we're in a very safe environment which is great but all that aside even before came it hit we are you know well i think a very patriotic country we've got a lot of multicultural um different languages spoken here and different cultures and you know there's a huge indian population just down the road from you know from where i live


down the road from you know from where i live uh you know and we've got some amazing things to see so what india indians that will come from mumbai or delhi or chandigarh that we'll take it and take home is that that australian love and a part of part of being an australian you know part of it it's a wonderful country so come and see firstly the big draw cards the harbour bridge the opera house the sydney harbour um go go out to dubbo headed to the zoo where that's you know it's a long drive and it's it's it's in the middle of getting towards the not not the center of australia but get away from the hustle and bustle go go you know go out to the countryside go to the great barrier reef um have a tour i could i could take a tour personally of the scg and i know that a lot of indian people that love sport love cricket would go what about going to the scg how


would go what about going to the scg how would that be amazing so there are so many great things to see the blue mountains um go to uluru as rock go and see our local um traditional you know owners of the land the aboriginals i mean there's some wonderful things to do and which i highly respect um because you know we we are we've come here a couple hundred years ago and and you know i think that it's it's really important that we we honor that as well so there are some wonderful um artworks to see that the aboriginals do and all that type of stuff so there's so many things to do but the only thing i'll say is that leave some time like don't make it a three-day holiday make it a couple of weeks because you know you need australia's a big place and what do you gain from the people because i'm sure that the people have a role to play in the culture that's developed and all the athletes come out of that culture


and all the athletes come out of that culture for example i asked dwayne bravo this i asked him what do you carry from the caribbean onto the cricket pitch and he said you see it you see the flare you see the power you see the relaxation so i'd ask you the same question that as an aussie other than the channelized aggression what else do you end up carrying i think you'll take home the aussie humor which is very very important um i think that you will take home the hospitality that we have on offer in terms of making people feel comfortable so you know it's hard going to a different country you know because there's people can look different they've got different hair color eye color skin color but because we've grown up with so many different nationalities here in australia and the way i've been brought up is that everyone's the same and no one's different and i guess that's why i love india because i you know i actually go there and they all look at me


i actually go there and they all look at me and they go and i'm a farangio but i'm part of the team type of thing you know what i mean because i've embraced it it's the same here people will embrace people that want to be embraced so have a have an open mind have a a smile on your face and just say at the end of the day you know mate and then i'll say you know my back what's what's india taught you about life india's taught me that it doesn't it's not what you don't have it's it's how you deal with it like i've i've been passed the ambani house you know the billion dollar house and you know within the space of 20 seconds and you know you see beggars on the road but you're driving past and these are poor homeless people but they've got a smile on their face and i see a lot of wealthy australians here that are never happy you know they've got everything that they want they


happy you know they've got everything that they want they got everything that they when you know when they started as a young boy or girl i want to achieve this this this this this and they get that and they're never happy so the indian culture is they appreciate what they've got and that's why when i've taken out of my children to india and i said next time you have a whinge about you can't get that toy have a think about this this um you know this little boy here that hasn't got a place to sleep or hasn't got a bed to sleep on think about that little girl in melbourne that's that's out in the street and she's 16 years of age because she's got mixed up in drugs or something so it's not just india it's everywhere across the world of course it's in australia but you teach you teach people you teach kids the real lessons in life and that starts from the family that starts with love from a good parenting um from a you


with love from a good parenting um from a you know a loving household so i'm very close to my family and i believe that's why i love the indian culture because you guys look up to your parents as you should they're the ones that brought you into the world i know a lot of other cultures don't do that and that's that's their choice but the indian culture is you respect your elders you know you look up to your parents and that's that's what i do so it's the same so the the australian culture is a loving culture it's a fun culture then have some good times here we're gonna cook some barbecue we'll cook you some butter chicken if you want we'll get you some non-veg we've got some great things to do mate but you need time and brett i've got to ask you this one final question which is almost a rude question but i feel like it's the end of this podcast so i can be a little rude with you um


so i can be a little rude with you um the question is basically about money management post cricket now i spoke to some people from the nba and they said that about 50 to 60 percent of all players end up broke after basketball now what happens in the world of cricket with the ipl being introduced the australian cricket board also is known to pay the the players really well but how do the players manage money like and what happens post retirement is there like a sense of tension do you all do you all channelize that money into other things uh our businesses already established like what happens post retirement look i think i think everyone's different so you know there has been plenty of occasions where former australian cricketers have now got nothing and you've also to think about up until late 90s i mean the players were weren't getting paid next to nothing it's only through 2000 and then 2008 when they went the indian premier league kicked in other excuse me other


premier league kicked in other excuse me other tournaments around the world kicked in so now a professional australian cricketer can earn very very good money but you've got a a little window of earning capacity in your life now you might earn that much in your life like let's let's say that this is your earning life right so from the age of 18 to 60 this is your earning capacity but you'll burn what you should earn in that career you've earned that maybe in this part because cricket's paid so well but if you've got no other skills or you haven't invested correctly or you've had bad management or you are too flashy and you go out and buy things that are just ridiculous then that money drives up pretty quickly and if you're not a good person then you're not going to get sponsors the public won't like you um you know and then you have to go back and work a nine-to-five job which is fine but it's it's it's what you want to do so me


it's it's what you want to do so me personally i always had one eye looking at post-cricket so i always wanted to to do uh you know work a full-time job i've always worked in menswear i still work there today um i've got other business interests which i love doing you know i've got my charity work which is a not-for-profit stuff that i enjoy doing and giving back so you know i also believe in karma i think if you do the right thing by people then it hopefully can come back to help you not from a financial sense but just that that nice feeling that you get from helping people so um try and try and read as many books as you can about how to stay afloat it's it's like um that example of you know you give someone a thousand rupees and say to morado um here's a thousand rupees or here's ten thousand very better example here's ten thousand rupees go out and um have a few drinks and then just enjoy yourself


have a few drinks and then just enjoy yourself saturday night and someone most people would go out and blow ten 000 rupees because they've been handed that and then they go hang on the weekend hasn't finished i know i don't have anything to do on sunday night where there'd be other people that go hang on i've got two nights in the weekend i want to make sure that i can have a drink tomorrow night or have a have a nice meal or go watch a movie i'll spend you know four thousand rupees tonight then i've got six thousand up my sleeve type of thing just whichever way that you wanna look at things so there's no right or wrong answer everyone's different but me personally i've always made sure that i haven't been too flamboyant i'm making sure that i'm looking after the hard work that i've done on the field got it and one last question to you and i strongly feel like you've got that detached warrior spirit inside you with


you've got that detached warrior spirit inside you with the channelized aggression with the ability to switch on and switch off what have been your three learnings of life that you'd pass on to your kids if you could only pass on three learnings out of them all um be kind and loyal most importantly um and and i think in that that branches off treat people the way that you wanna be treated okay so just be and that that comes on the under the umbrella of being a good person um it's okay to be stubborn have that stubbornness so if someone says you can't do that i'm gonna prove you wrong i'm gonna prove myself wrong be stubborn um the third thing would probably don't take yourself too seriously it's okay to have a laugh of yourself because there are a lot of people that are so uptight they're so worried about what people think if you can't laugh at yourself how do you expect someone else to laugh at you or i'll be able to treat


laugh at you or i'll be able to treat you differently so to me i'm just at 44 years of age of course my name is brett lee but i'm just dad okay i'm a former australian cricketer i'm now a current cricket commentator which i love doing and i'll use my profile that i've built up through cricket to obviously to watch qriket into commentary and cricket but that's one small part of my life or most important part the part that i that i love is that i'm just a dad so i'm dad i'm like any other dad out there i love going to watch my kids play sport i love watching my daughter go to gymnastics those types of things so it's just having that that clear balance and and and never believe that you're above anyone else um beautiful brettly thank you big big namaste and thank you to you uh really appreciate it thank you for sharing your wisdom uh honor having you on the show and of course i'd be liking


on the show and of course i'd be liking all of brett's handles and the handles of tourism australia down below make sure you check them out thank you brett this was amazing it added a lot of value to my head and my listeners heads thank you well thank you to all your listeners and please come out to australia have a merry christmas and a happy new year and uh absolutely same uh milk or both this was a childhood dream for me thank you brett done thanks brother take care mate see you


the kovaid is a very good example like everything that we built uh over the last 20 years uh faces the very real risk of getting dismantled in a matter of months when we shut down we had about 3900 people working for impresario directly uh so it was it was really horrible but you know i just tried to tell people as honestly and plainly as possible that look you know as of now you know i can't really do much uh when things get better i'll take all of you back but right now i can't do much for you guys and i think people appreciated the honesty and it was horrible to be the better of such terrible news but i think the support and the love i got from my people was really really heartwarming it gave me a lot of strength mr riaz amlani how's it going it's going swimmingly right away how's it going with you how does it feel to be the one of the most iconic restauranters in the country and i'm saying


iconic restauranters in the country and i'm saying iconic because when i was in engineering college i thought i want to get into entrepreneurship i love food i love drinks let's combine all of that let's try becoming a restaurant and let's model myself on mr riya zamlani that's how i thought so how does it feel to be like that right now because a lot of young fnb entrepreneurs and just entrepreneurs in general really look up to you hey thank you i guess um it's it's a little bizarre because you know you just um the timelines in your head kind of get a little twisted i still think of myself as a challenger rather than uh the incumbent restaurant when you when you when we even even was starting off we all had our heroes uh you know there was anything um was you know iconic there was a hula girl who was doing some amazing things and you know just to uh now share the same room with them uh used to be a it still is a


them uh used to be a it still is a treat you know and um in a sense that we always are inspired by those who came before us i'm sure um you know i want to know everything about your story but we'll get to that later i need to ask you about the big question in everyone's heads there's a lot of businessmen watching this what is uh happening in the fnb industry in the restaurant industry we all know you guys have taken like a massive hit and every single entrepreneur in every single industry is looking at the restaurant industry and trying to learn lessons so can you just take us through what's happened since the beginning of covet 19 till now plus what are your solutions for this whole situation you know um we are we are in the restaurant business and a lot of times you um have to really question what what is the business i am in and what is exactly the restaurant business is restaurant business uh a business of actually feeding people um well uh you know the first