look once you've done the setting and you just press the button you feel nothing and very smooth it goes and hit the target uh parallely yeah like does the Indian military today also use like again I'm just trying to get a better understanding of the Weaponry used because r as civilians who are only uh informational weapons comes from video games pretty much like Call of Duty Counter Strike these kind of games where uh you know there are Bazookas or missile launchers there are flame throwers are these kind of requirement and the role in nature and employment of the forces like and RR will be heavy oriented toward a particular webinar for specific reasons I'm not naming the weapon okay SFS got a special requirement they operate in small teams whether it is communication they need to be in lightweight long range and the weapon when you're going into fighting in a built-up area I always prefer to carry a pistol you know because the houses are there small rooms and if you carry a big weapon and you think


and if you carry a big weapon and you think you will do wonders you know the moment you enter somebody will catch from the muzzle only and take care of you smaller weapon it gives me more swiftness I know but then you know it is very difficult to take a shot from the pistol from a closed distance also Close Quarters why yeah there's a lot of joke you get when you fire you know accuracy is less it gives you the moment and even if you hold with two hands a lot of practice it gives you a lot of jerk the other weapon and then like ak-478 comes with a butt it comes with a folded butt you take you know support under your shoulder it gives you a lot of stability your shoulder is holding it from here you're holding it from the front and you take a pen shot so comfort zone like in close quarters I always use pastel and when you're going to say Ops and it is a little open kind of area the preference was AK-47


little open kind of area the preference was AK-47 56. so every unit has got a weapon profile there is a in organization it has been clearly stated what all weapons and equipments are authorized to a particular unit so every unit has got an authorization set and they use those weapons foreign military the American Military or the British military other weapons that they use significantly better than the Indian military because what I have understood about the Indian military is that where jugadu is even there and like we kind of alter weapons to make them better that's the art that's a very limited understanding but that's what I have understood am I right in saying that that the Indian military is a lot about engineering better weapons uh I don't know whether it is the correct answer to your question but definitely I would like to make one statement weapon equipment communication profile whatever it may be but the biggest brand and the best brand in the entire world is Indian army I am damn clear on this we are the only Force


am damn clear on this we are the only Force history has been testimony our soldiers are the only potent and the capitol soldiers who can actually fight a battle and are just surviving on water jaggery and motivation no other than a soldier is capable to do these wonders or scam they've done it number of times endurance endurance mental or physical you know the emotions you know they work with no Soldier our soldiers are unparalleled they are amazing no requirement nothing in the name of the country people don't even think about their families when it comes to actually Duty I had realized I'd gone through one instance myself Opera people who are burst again okay tomorrow bloody will do this emotions We Are Soldiers I am telling you nobody knows their potential galwan you must have seen a young boy Khalsa you know buddy fell down from this thing again came back died is stubborn again taken by the number of people and but he had their happiness and when the body was taken the


had their happiness and when the body was taken the mother is carrying in the body of that Soldier where you get mothers like this um weapon profile I told you and I'd keep on changing out men it is always the men behind the machine our boys are the best no doubt about it I would just like to ask you a little bit about uh what Ebon even means people don't understand these words so like it kind of took me some time to even understand exactly what special forces in Para SF is and we had a lot of Paris of personnel on the show um so I'd like you to kind of give us this essay uh from wherever you wish to start okay uh I'll give you only an outline for the shot because of the you know specific reasons a bone Force as the name suggestion only something which operates in the air from the air airborne the working methodology the reach the penetration is absolutely unparalleled in Airborne unit you will find people who are capable every single guy


will find people who are capable every single guy is capable to come out of the aircraft at a speed of 600 with complete loaded with the weapon and everything or this unit might not have that luxury there might be some people who are qualified to do combat Free Fall military free fall or the static Lane jumps but in Airborne every man who is walking on the ground is capable of jumping irrespective of the terrain Ebon are those forces and I like you must have seen one example you have seen Airborne operations happening in Russia Ukraine conflict thousand of the parachute opening up in the air in one go whether thereafter it is your Logistics it is your weapons it is your equipment everything is dropped down through yeah I require a lot of tremendous practice more than anything you require a lot of heart a strong art to do this thing you can be told to operate in jungles it can be urban area it can be absolutely God forbidden zone high altitude area snow covered Peaks anywhere


forbidden zone high altitude area snow covered Peaks anywhere and everywhere you can do every man will jump that is Airborne forces otherwise operation aspects you are there are a lot of things Anna again we will talk about it yeah but why is there a specific Force for this and my assumption before this particular episode was that para SF would take care of all because they have para in their name as well so I didn't know that there was a separate like force until like we did research on this episode cheap Pera has got a specific role you know the weapon profile and Equipment profile is different Special Forces again have got a mandated Charter of Duty and they operate in their own functionality and small team they carry out kind of specific operations surveillance is there you know Forte when it comes to Airborne this is something in a journey not to be spoken least known the better the kind of a thing but Fatu shaky the penetration you know is absolutely amazing you know uh it is said in our fraternity


you know uh it is said in our fraternity we don't exist so that you can so that is how it is um okay fair uh are you comfortable talking a little bit about maybe a very difficult operation you had not in detail but if you could just give us a brief outline maybe the kind of terrain you've had to encounter yes I can I'm assuming that say if you're uh Landing in a thick jungle it could be dangerous because you don't have a clean landing spot yeah yeah see there are two kind of thing of course when you do operations like normally what people do they count on a certain percentage that is called the casualty rate okay when you're jumping from the aircraft probably you know so many people will probably not make it that's that's an understanding that you might die there are has to be mathematics has to be pure calculations you know if we go for a match of football you know okay the 11th is the strength of the team yeah you require one reserve for the


of the team yeah you require one reserve for the goalkeeper as well as you require few reserves Hannah as a player in the defense in the forward line same way if you're planning out any operation be it any unit for that matter RR Safa bond in anything there has to be a parameter for the you know selection there has to be a parameter for you know uh working out the strength so you know if you're working for example if you're jumping in a jungle if you're jumping into a healthy food area what do you think you know every guy is successfully coming to the ground you might not get a clear Landing Zone he might just go and hit himself into the mountain he's crashed is dead so you woke on a certain percentage and believe me that percentage is the highest in Airborne operations so if you take some figure and you discount a heavy number of them okay they're not going to make it lucky are those who even come to the ground and those set of people now they have to


ground and those set of people now they have to do the job for the balance of the guys also it's not that easy there have been operation giving you one this thing there was an operation we landed up and uh as per the input and everything though it was about three hour journey to that location believe me it took 36 hours 36 hours because what you see in the map but the actual condition what you see on the ground are damn very different 36 hours a lot of people they got exhausted a couple of them they got dehydrated water was over there was a muddy water that was the only choice and we really it was tasty because we were thirsty we enjoyed it and there were a lot of anticipation we'll face leeches and other things salt and everything got washed away in the everywhere in Nala when we crossed there was not even a place where even one guy could stop we have to cut it make the route and then go there after 36 hours we landed up and


then go there after 36 hours we landed up and do the wiping up and cleaning up but 36 hours is a lot of time and then you need to 18 hours going one way and then 18 hours coming back but once you've done the task and the motivation level is very high then uh the distance the root degree of difficulty every is on a very low scale you're happy you did it so the survival aspect was very difficult but Instinct for survival itself is a great motivation here you know this more situation like they say in Commandos mushil worked Commando sucked it cannot happen that way and that feeling you know that you need to go back home I always used to tell my people even if it is Operation and whether it isn't with a unit or uh rifles or the unit I commanded and Special Forces airborne thin men are going all ten will come back that feeling always there I always to tell them that they're not going all 10 will come back even if one guy


going all 10 will come back even if one guy is not going to make it now believe me that will be me but you will come back I'll ensure this they always used to ensure you know they always to look after them I just take care of yourself don't uh don't take care of yourself take care of the guy who's on to your left your right and we are front and back you will be very safe eventually and there are four guys and over taking care of you from all the corners there was no issue only what is the criteria for selection for airborne again like I said first you have to volunteer and then you have to be willing uh in any other unit and I you can be posted as a commanding officer I got a letter I got a call from the MS they said uh sir are you volunteer why are you asking that question even to me this is so because we can't post you there aren't they unless you confirmed him just hold on so I immediately replied


confirmed him just hold on so I immediately replied back to him the SMS key refer our ongoing conversation I am written in capital bold and underlined I am volunteer and I'm willing by now see you got the message I'm in so you need to be voluntary and willing and then you need to undergo that probation and then you need to do your paracos once you're done with this you qualify then you are there and at any point in time somebody says no sir this I find difficult I can't do please you're not welcome there then you go back are there physical traits that are preferred nowhere there are no physical trade charts which are endorsed on the paper but you need to prove everything on the ground on paper there might be you know 20 odd list maybe you know people are not even having two of them so on paper we don't believe everything is on ground you prove your worth on ground and you are acceptable um does every jump change you yes every jump is a new Jump every combat


you yes every jump is a new Jump every combat experience the contact is a new experience even within one jump I tell you like for example when you're in the aircraft there are three examples I can quote one you are studying in the front this one second there is a trail of 41 guys uh 42 guys 21 on each side then you were in the center and then you were in the last of the stack uh one column which is sitting on either side is called as a stack so the Mind makeup and Psych is different with every position also I want to talk about other jumps as a commanding officer if I'm in this front and I'm taking the first jump that is generally the norm we used to follow he has a better Commander you will be the first one to exit the aircraft the moment you are out of the aircraft and because there are three lights red blue red yellow and green same as traffic light it gives you single and the moment it is green green on go the moment that light


it is green green on go the moment that light is on you can't even take in a friction of second to delay it why because there is a area which is marked on the ground which is known as dropping zone calculating the width Factor the height the speed of the aircraft going at a 600 kilometer the weight and other things and the kind of the parachute you are using the moment you eject you are going to come back within that zone so you will have a relatively bitter area if you take even uh the difference between the jumps it is even less than 0.7 of now of the second it is the speed of go go go go go go go go go that are the speed people don't even jump out of the bus and from that uh at that speed so if I am the first one and if I take 0.7 x also two things are for sure firstly I'll lose that respect people when I got scared I can't afford that luxury as a battalion Commander your Out


that luxury as a battalion Commander your Out means you're out and that's moment second I know it is going to cost somebody life those point seven seconds if I delayed it he probably is going out of that DZ that is one but you know that freedom is there no one is in front of me I can take a Commodities and you're out but when somebody is in the center now that time when you see people are going and thoughts get disrupted no not with me I always used to be the first one to jump I know I I love that thing now there is a guy who's in the last imagine there are 20 guys and they had already jumped out of the cuffed nec okay has got some distance to cover now he's running inside the aircraft and then he goes out his Psych is different every jump is a different once it so happened people had jumped we are done with our jump we were down last three guys and Order of strict and it was a night


guys and Order of strict and it was a night jump and one possibility which has never been discussed it never happened in the history it is highly not anticipated and it happened the chord on which it was static jump on which cord was there and it went off see in aircraft where you're setting when you're jumping with a static uh static jump is something when you have got a parachute there is a chord attached to a parachute and the hook is on a cable which is in the aircraft so that cable got broken because you when you jump there's a particular distance it goes and then the chord is taken out of the aircraft so from the parachute it gets deployed but in this case just called me that chord itself got broken or now because of this what had happened the three guys they just slipped silently out of the aircraft and they were under this false sense of this thing now the chord will get unbroken and my parachute will get deployed


get unbroken and my parachute will get deployed it never happened it didn't open it didn't open at all it was just 10 seconds at the max 11 seconds not even 10 seconds they just touched the ground coming from thousands of feet it was around 1450 well the feet height they touched the ground and when we went to see them they were exactly in the same training area which had been taught to them they had made a position their legs were folded in a particular fashion that is called paraposition they were in that position they had followed the teaching to the last breath they were in that position and parachute was not there all three of them all three passed away The Fear Factor said China but see this is all about the mindset this is how special forces Airborne units they work one way to look at this thing okay and I you give the condolences feel bad about it and just let it go second thing was every boot which was there on the ground what made to fall


which was there on the ground what made to fall in there they were given new fresh parachute escorts were deployed they were told to board the aircraft you went in the air and jumped at the same light so that same night before the bodies were moved from there every Brewery [ __ ] will jump over their counter and rightly so why because once you don't do this thing you know the Fear Factor you know it becomes a gossip you know something went wrong you know it can happen no once you're done with this ritual then people are just saying you know things happens it happens it is a part and parcel of this job and these are professional agents this is not the first time it has happened neither it is going to be last time nobody can guarantee such things will keep happening but you can't let it go another that Fear Factor should not come it will happen we just did it again nothing happened so don't worry chill this was a night jump it


don't worry chill this was a night jump it was a night jump how are night jumps more challenge you can't see no exactly it's not challenging in fact I found it more exotic why you see lights and it's something like looking out of the aircraft daytime you know probably you don't it's a beautiful view a lot of clarity up and drop silence and uh you say very clearly and when you were getting aerial view you know and you think from there a lot of light and everything I found it very brutal I don't know about this experience but night jump I really loved it that feeling is always that fear of unknown where you're going you don't know exactly what is down and this thing reaction time is so that is again the test of your Reflections your stimulus and how much strong you are mentally physically whatever you've never had any wild animal encounters ever like in your entire tenure they are very friendly this is how I look at them whether it is thanks to


how I look at them whether it is thanks to something being enclosed this thing with you know cheetah okay sneaks also number of times but personally my experience tells me you know they are very friendly until unless you actually don't poke them and cause harm to them they are not going to you know cause any damage to you so while they're around and it's okay good they generally avoid the distance what about the cheetah you saw like again I can't reveal the name of the location but yes when we were going out for something it has been a tremendous experience and he's just walking 50 meters behind the trucks and we are moving somewhere and it's just falling in a 50 meters he followed us for about a kilometer or so and thereafter we had just eye contact and he quietly slipped into the wild wild life never causes damage in fact we as a human I think we cause more damage to their you know habitat or anything sneaks again very friendly but you know sometimes


anything sneaks again very friendly but you know sometimes it has been operation requirement or something as a part of the training and you even catch them you eat them that is a professional requirement otherwise you know I think in a fair this thing we can stay together you you had to hunt on operations anything that walks crawl creep fly can be eaten and had been eaten okay only if required have you eaten a snake yes raw also what and yeah okay raw also and cooked also at least a Croc also crocodile which you had hunted no not hunted not hunted crocodile caught and now today it is in my school that job was done during the school days only let's talk about snake first uh why why do you have to eat a draw firstly you see if you're not used to it that is part of the Commando training as well every person officer who had been part of the Commando course were done Commander course they're told people are there they come up with very funny ideas so I'm a


come up with very funny ideas so I'm a Brahma and I don't eat in my house this thing you get one punch in your belly you open your mouth and then no question asked and you're supposed to and I eat it otherwise you'll get the second piece as well see you know there are chances in a life can give you surprises it can actually throw big surprises at you we ever got nothing to eat nothing means absolutely nothing we have there are ways and means that you get muddy water shitty water and you need to drink that as well like water that someone are chatting yeah absolutely if you don't have anything in a there are ways you know you put a mud then you put sand not mud then you put some Stone then charcoals and all that that there is a way to make your organic filter out of that and you still get some good quality until unless you don't survive and you can't stand on your feet what are you going to do so at least whether


what are you going to do so at least whether you get a chance or situation like this that is a different issue altogether but at least you should be trained to well you should know I can't have this luxury to say this is good or bad it smells good or it smells bad no it is not matter of choices it is a matter of survival if you that instinct is not so very strong are you not been trained at that manner how are you going to handle it when it actually comes on ground what did the snake taste like it is tasteless actually if you put some Masala or something different but again I said it's not a matter of luxury and you don't have anything and it is raw means something should go inside what we see in this show Chris Gayle and all that maybe I don't know how realistic it is or people do the stage management at all but it is not you go to Northeast that itself is the training you go to there is a insect Market


the training you go to there is a insect Market from Ant to snake to what reptile you want you will get it there have you had insects yeah a lot many times in fact there was a in Commandos also in the unit also and also in a orientation training in SM rifle we used to have it I used to conduct a camp in which the last one week was absolutely survival no shelters nothing everything what you want to make and I make for yourself so people used to rope cut down trees and everything from Habitat to anything and they used to in fact they used to kill their Birds animals everything and they were beautiful using what do you call it leaves and they used to make exotic things on a different different squares this and snails snail was again the kind of the creepy feeling you get but then you had to eat it you have to eat it whatever is available in a particular area as your food and people used to have it and I used to have a food


to have it and I used to have a food tasting and around what does snails taste like again it was very tasteless but again until there is a requirement believe me you can avoid it there are a few things it's not a matter of choice you know but just you need to do it sometime what's the worst thing you've eaten like where you're like I don't want to eat that worst thing I would say is snails only yeah I've seen thousands of them went for some operation and a room that feeling was creepy yeah thousands of snails thousands Everywhere You see I've never seen that kind of thing you know it's coming out I've seen only in movies happening this thing that was not a good thing this is out of pure hunger you had to eat uh pure hunger only because you had nothing and not even fish was available there so I've seen people local people it is a delicacy for them but it was not a personal choice and I saw them they used


not a personal choice and I saw them they used to just suck it and thing like a raw raw absolutely and boiled water and they used to suck it and I think today also if you go to Northeast you'll see in a paper sitting with the pots and they do it but maybe it is their food preference it is you know luxury for them but it was not for us there's something new for me did it once not a good idea never try it I'm telling you there are better things compared to something you've eaten otherwise like is it tasteless but you know something need to go inside it's that's it okay wow and the crocodiles crocodile is good because it has got no bones it has got only scales I've been to Amazon United Nation trips and I had gone to initially Uganda then Kenya for for work for operations uh no not for the operations it was a lucky there was operational challenges I had faced that most difficult situation there in un only like


that most difficult situation there in un only like combat situation yeah combat situation could be resolved without firing a single bullet but it was actually in a worse situation I would say the mahape had gone for a restaurant equip trip I had visited Kenya so I'd gone to this River Forest I'm happy I tried all those things it was amazing it tastes like chicken that's what I've been told I think better than chicken crock giraffe and you name him animal I tried everything there because they offer as a part of their exotic menu so everything was available why not I'd come this far man I could try karnachi I'm assuming it just tastes like versions of chicken or mutton no it is better than that ostrich meatballs also hydrated that was also good I tried almost everything and Africa when you're there why not um are you comfortable talking about Africa a little bit yeah what why were you sent that see a unit was deployed there as a part of the reserve Force we


deployed there as a part of the reserve Force we had gone as a United Nation peacekeeping Force I was part of that compliment so there was a place a bay if you look on the internet it'll tell you what a bay is about which country Sudan now it is not Sudan South Sudan Abe is a location it was absolute I've seen people mad for no reason they had nothing to eat but they had sophisticated weapon with them those days also and I've seen people taking the love finishing people for no reason life had absolutely no value and it was one of the worst places to stay in you know anywhere in the world 100 or thousand kilometer you will travel you will not get even a one glass of water oil you want yes you will get not even a glass of water I've seen early morning people they're not taking out blood from the cow and in a bowl and they're serving to every family family member so that they can just take care of their thirst it was


they can just take care of their thirst it was again requirement it was necessity the terrains like this absolute Barren although there were some hills around but there was absolutely Barren no productivity zero uh no Crop Shop no business nothing absolutely surviving on whatever little you know those days it was being provided by you know United Nations but bad State nothing to eat nothing to drink water was costlier and oil was cheaper wow that is what I've seen there another four one bread and a people could get killed or they could have killed someone it was as simple as that I've seen people at being two garbage disposal area where I've seen people eating boot polish I've seen people eating Automotive medicines irrespective something should go inside and it was actually nothing less than a shade I know people just taking out something I have seen they are having a cut because of the you know broken glass is something coming to this thing I'm trying to tell them something you know but I don't know the language and


something you know but I don't know the language and they are trying to you know keep it to themselves okay probably you know this man is going to take this also from us I've seen But thereafter I had learned water we seen a safe water campaign and all that those who really don't understand send them to that place only for one week they will get to know what are the importance of water and what are the importance of food what was the political situation there that caused this kind of a scenario again when there is a political instability there was no political situation only you know when everything is in the hung State whether it is the government or the political party everything militant groups against each other so many of them so many of them and they've got weapon I am surprised when you don't have a water to drink and how they manage weapon there was one situation where two uh military contingent you know there was some meeting that has to be organized with the srsg that is the


has to be organized with the srsg that is the cinemas uh hierarchical appointment in the U.N in a particular area the military group they had to have some conversation with them to resolve some issue so one contingent would send and the pilot two of the officers and 30 of the men they were kept into custody and they were taken as a hostage they never came back then one more was sent and then uh we were the result we were told you know we need to talk to them I still have I believe a couple of photographs from that day so I along with 10 or 12 boys of best of mine and uh who were up now part of my Cambrian petrol Cameron petroleum is one of the it is the toughest competition in Indian army what's it called Cambrian petrol competition the best team or the Indian army who wins it they are sent to uh London Wales so and they're placed and they participate in competition against Special Forces from other unit so I have prepared and


Special Forces from other unit so I have prepared and created a team and we won it so it was those boys and my trained boys my team they knew everything and what best can do and like a Rambo again I thought came a gay weapon low and take these disease weapons and once we go immediately we get out the aircraft we do this thing it never happened on town we landed up there and what I see there were two if I remember correctly there were two attack uh hefters there first time I also saw that life and there were a lot of people in the weapon with absolutely no mentality a huge and Tall everyone six plus with a weapon and the sleeper hanging on the AK-47 firing in the air hundreds and thousands of them I told her voice message nothing going with this kind of you know scenario and numbers May believe me it is not going to work out and there was one rep from the U.N also one Foreigner from U.S over there he said major we


Foreigner from U.S over there he said major we cannot do this but we have been sent for some to us we have to do it buddy because no no we'll not go outside of course we are going outside so I told my boys maybe you keep your weapon to one side take care and all everyone wear your un cap and put that card on your chest and just sit quietly inside so I said man let's move outside no no we should not go but there is no other option they are running in the weapon let's go outside so I encouraged him and he said I said just stay with me at least I was also actually under tremendous pressure seeing their madness madness has to be there has to be some logic in Madness also there I saw there was no logic it was pure Madness that day so ah and the moment I got down the guy who was sitting with huge machine gun and they were fighting there and it was very angry he said why you have come here why you


angry he said why you have come here why you have come here and with big heart although you know I was I'll not say I was scared but there was a lot of tension in my head so I bought a big smile on my face and the traditional way of energy you put a hand on somebody's chest and you say and I said it is going to become the mom today and I said I put my hand on his chest with a broad smile I said how are you my compliments to you so he was confused what this guy is doing man where is your leader why you want to beat our leader Messi as a military commander I'll speak only to him you just put me through to your guy you know he was confused he said he's there now let's go and talk I just pretended confident although I was not at that moment let's be very fair so then he took me to his leader now this guy what I saw he was wearing a white and


what I saw he was wearing a white and a Chevron and uh huge tall guys six four maybe and there were hundred and thousand of people along with him sitting in a bad posture on the drum this thing hanging weapon in every possible thing so I went to him and I said I said may I want to convey greetings and salutation on behalf of you know my men and on behalf of my team I have come to meet you was Bloody this guy I never been so grateful for this language and English he knew English yeah otherwise there was no scope only to connect that daughter that chord and I fortunately knew the English he said yes I said man you know you've got brave people but you know I am here with a purpose then I explained to him why I'm here to you know organize that meeting with our srsg and between him so he said he can come I had a look around I said my believe me this is not the environment anybody and I will feel


this is not the environment anybody and I will feel comfortable to walk in there's a purpose let's create that environment but I got two things I can suggest you sir this is what muscle you've got so many people in a video May believe me not required and you just keep only a handful of people maybe 10 20 30 whatever you want to keep with you and they are fair enough rest otherwise I am here with a purpose I've got 10 guys with me we have got weapons with us may I am here to ensure your security as well you are the king of the soil your land your rules let's go by that who was this guy but he was ahead of that you know Malaysia organization over there okay like the militant leader yeah I will not exactly say militant but yes so he understood the point so I requested my if you can convey this in your local lingo teach this guy you know so that you know they are dispersed off so he understood said something and everything


dispersed off so he understood said something and everything and people trucks by trucks and trucks they started moving they were fully loaded outside firing and going and shouting something a lot of trucks they passed away and then finally couple of people were there but now we need to have someone else sitting please so there was some room which was identified and it was cleared and then probably and I created that mess into something you know into amicable environment where actually one can sit and talk they bought carrots of soft drinks and everything but now yes now we are getting into that mode but usually I had to food and all like those food scarcity these guys had like luxuries when you can have weapon and you can have anything so it might be scarcity for the common man not for these guys so now this guy had Apna finally initially was not receptive I said manager said I am a soldier you know we have been trained in a specific manner while you know you have got a lot of numbers


while you know you have got a lot of numbers but believe me we have been trained if nothing happens something fishes right we are also good at highly trained people at least and I will take every guy is going to take in a couple of numbers so why to land up in that situation it's a genuine request let's create that environment finally things were fizzled out there was meeting which also took place and things were resolved what is the energy in meetings like this where it's like two dangerous men talking to each other honestly where death is definitely a theme in those conversations you know as I told you no if you've been trained well and you have trained yourself well if you can maintain your nerves in such situation that is what matters you know if you panic you'll never take a good decision you know this guy who you met is it fair to see you some sort of an African wall or of sorts it was much more than what Lord he was definitely a lord


much more than what Lord he was definitely a lord he in those circumstances you are the only Lord I'm telling you because that country was going through so much yes so much and then you're a powerful man I know so many people you've got such a mad following you know people can easily get killed and kill anyone for you right Leyva was meaningless I have seen people chopping off people's head and playing with an eye leg making football out of people's head you you search on the internet also you will find a lot of people keeping head on there you know weapons and playing football with that this was in Sudan and Sudan she said you search places like dafu Rabbi and all that yeah mad house although Duffer was out of our area of responsibility but there have been mad places you know but real bad why that level of barbarianism like why that much firstly there is no political stability there is nothing in a structured Manner and uh you've got weapons but no food and a


and uh you've got weapons but no food and a necessity is again you can go to an extent I said for one glass of water you can go to any extent it's a power corruption last line is absolute power corruption absolutely and no police you can do whatever you want nothing they are the police they are the rule they are the government they are they are the military they are everything I've seen a situation first I saw some movie I think Rwanda Hotel Rwanda is the movie if I remember correctly that is movie and one more movie where I've seen troops on what kind of pressure and situation they've handled and the nice and somebody is driving in all of a sudden he had a bumpy ride one realizes and then later on he realizes okay it's not some speed breaker it has a dead body over which he's buying the vehicle they have one situation while in a bay I have seen people started firing bosek in market area and there was a pregnant lady and


market area and there was a pregnant lady and somebody reported something like this has happened so we took one small app now mechanized having a tank with us we had went outside got that lady Retreat from there people are firing overhead nonsense absolute utterance I don't know what pleasure they get I know but life was meaningless I realized a lot of things you know we got that lady and then there was a situation when I saw a lot of people they were running around in the fields and leaving their every stuff kids were running behind him and then I saw another vehicle coming up they are hanging in a children upside down speaking something in the local language I didn't know what they were speaking but what I could matter was okay probably they are giving warning either you come outside or we'll take care of these kids so crying people with folded and they're coming leave them and people are having fancy ideas something like this has happened so I went to the gate gate there


happened so I went to the gate gate there was a situation where one guy with one leg imputed he came to the gate and people said gate not to be open this is the order this is what exactly I saw on the movie as well and every organization has its own rule so I said maybe help with the orders here and I have been here with a purpose but not here just only to close the door this is the time when door said to be open we will see to this and what happens later and open the door I opened the door people came and I said nobody is going inside you just keep shoving in the left and right of the gate and then we close the door then again I saw after some time people came with but he would loaded machine gun with chains and everything and they're shouting you open the gate and get them outside the gate is not going to be open he said open the gate but no negative no gate will be open okay then we'll see to do this


will be open okay then we'll see to do this man I'm also here sitting here only to see you guys you try some stantana then you see the music it was again very pressure point order says do this and I'm doing something against oppose it although nothing happened it is me only had to report but sometime with their tough calls it can't happen you see a small kid a very old lady and a man with no leggings looking for some shelter and you tell him can you blurry [ __ ] off and run from here and what kind of soldier you are it's okay it is better to take a punishment but do something and across that line and do something about your mind and your heart tells you so that was one experience here and you know poverty you know death of resources it actually it still teaches you a lot of things yeah that's what I wanted to ask you like I mean I've gotten to no fair share of all your experiences this one seems like the most


all your experiences this one seems like the most gory and most gruesome probably it was actually bad believe me people were paying in dollars and people were very happy that we are being paid in dollars I reached a stage where I've taken people I have seen people drinking in a shitty water actually [ __ ] only I'm telling you and eating things in a which actually you will definitely guaranteed fall sick I've seen people in a killing each other for a bread packet the orders were once you move outside you will not give a bottle of water to anyone you will not give food to anyone imagine orders and I still divide orders I always used to carry my own share I can still have once I go back so whenever I used to see someone I used to take any energy something and used to quietly give a bottle or you know to them for my own satisfaction was the reason but I reached a mental state where I thought knud dollars is not important I don't want


thought knud dollars is not important I don't want any money all I need to is just go back home operations were never demanding but when you see people suffering there is a difference between in a difficult situations challenges and suffering what I had seen in operations was a challenge and challenges are always welcome it gives you Goosebumps I loved it but when you see sufferings enough for no reasons and no fault of this that's painful small kids eating boot polish imagine how you would feel about it you are having the best of the food inside the wall and people are outside and they're looking yeah even if you throw [ __ ] and really ate it suffering and challenges are different things that was not a challenge that was suffering are you comfortable sharing with here this was in roughly 2008. this was absolutely 20078. that was there you know to think of 2008 in the rest of the world Facebook is coming up yeah America is growing Obama is getting elected there's


yeah America is growing Obama is getting elected there's excesses this McDonald's all over the world and then there's a part of the world just like this that is what I'm telling you know there is a lot of difference between real life and real life real life and real life are very different things there was a adventure camp can I speak something Lisa there was an adventure camp where 11 12th and big boys you know they were coming an army it was being condicted in Manali and people expected since 11 12 lot and are quite notorious so you go I was second in command that time I had gone there uh there were some senior officer's daughter some general visiting she said Ki we want to have Maggie and you know golgappa and all that I said my food is already ready sir I'll go waste anyway it was done although not easy to manage for those many maggies and those fancy items it was prepared and next day I got everyone the single Podium Auditorium and I


I got everyone the single Podium Auditorium and I started playing some pictures now I want to show you something and then I'd shown them pictures where uh people were drinking Kettle urine uh you're a cattle urine yeah and with small small pipes that they were trying to collect one one drop of the blood water this is from Sudan from Sudan and there was a point in stage and with some music and some message I written it I was showing to those children they started seeing and the few of the girls they started crying they said so please stop it why should I stop it you do you're not ashamed of doing something very funny I'm showing you the reality go through it and look up I've shown it to them a lot of children they had uh water in their eyes few of them they cried also they said do you know what is this then I told them okay this is Sudan they are real photographs not real photographs and thereafter I had shown them other photographs but this


thereafter I had shown them other photographs but this was the food which was prepared yesterday night which has gone wasted you know because we are sitting at location there is no one to consume food worth so much gone wasted but then I called that guy would prepare the food now please you tell them what time you wake up in the morning he says for 100 000 children I barely sleep for about two hours I get up at least three in the morning so that I can prepare the breakfast my you know any one of you who knows his name you don't even know bloody his name you're least interested as far as you're getting warm food fancy food you're okay with it my way was the requirement yesterday you nobody would have died if you and you were not having Maggie but you wanted and you had the cost of wastage of so much of food and there are people who are actually drinking cattle urine because there is no water may you want to try of course you can't


water may you want to try of course you can't because you know there are better options available with you but the lesson was driven home if the idea was well received by the kids in the environment a lot of they got emotional and a few boys and girls they came said we came so can I hug you of course more than Maybe please can I hug you please hurry [Laughter] in the middle of one hour turned into a military date military radio idea was well received by the kids and thereafter it was every they started saying thanks to that guy got to know more about the guy who used to prepare food with them they were thankful and they never wasted food today also when I'm training my kids I ensured I have meal with them not even single piece of food is left in the plate ensure this and they don't leave ever uh I've had a lot of military broadcasts and uh I've had a lot of podcasts in general my favorite part because of the military broadcast because there's


favorite part because of the military broadcast because there's a real experiences just like this you've had one of like the wildest life experiences at least that I have encountered on the show um as we were talking I was like noticing you know your emotional state as well and I noticed that there is a lot of memories that are still alive maybe some of which are not um voluntarily there inside your mind in terms of maybe it's things you're trying to get out but they're just not going out I don't know it's just what I sensed I I do feel that there are memories firstly anything which is not positive there is nothing you know which I carry in mind this is one good thing I consider about myself I take things as they come okay everything is momentary and some action happened it was there only I left it I kept only the good things in the lesson which I can pass on to somebody this is never going to get over this podcast if we keep talking we actually have


this podcast if we keep talking we actually have to move into a Hindi conversation as well I feel you've got that width of experiences and uh know-how when it comes to the military life uh as with every military episode firstly I salute you sir thank you thank you uh on behalf of the youth like trust me uh people have just begun to understand more about the military and uh the contributions of people like yourself so uh please be on more podcast online so I feel like these stories and experience need to be out there that's that's one request secondly uh this is so heavy an episode for me it's going to take me time to just absorb all of it and I'm saying this to you because I really appreciate that like thank you so very much but when we through you and your team and one last statement I would sure there are thousands of experience difference aspirin now every year who want to join forces but because they cannot clear through some stage or the medical issue or


cannot clear through some stage or the medical issue or something you know they have not been able to make it make it and they lose their heart the only one message for them is you know it's not about uniform I can understand that crazy I also was youngster sometimes I am still young you know but you know it's not about uniform it is that attitude that you carry you don't require a uniform and not to actually do good something for your nation as a citizen as a student in whatever capacity Wherever You Are I always feel the soldier is by heart not by uniform I have seen many of them in uniform not worth being this old at least few of them and I've seen many of them who had never done the uniform but they are amazing you know they carry that attitude so it is all by heart they don't lose heart and be a soldier resolve by the heart not by uniform so that's one percent um more on a Hindi episode that's what I will say yes thank you for doing this


what I will say yes thank you for doing this particular thanks to you seriously so something else like this has been one of my most memorable shoot days and I mean that like um I enjoy it I enjoy it with you I will absolutely home here yeah I came to my mind and I fell from here and I just said it thank you so much lots more episodes they knew that we need to extract anytime at your disposal thank you sir thank you dear God bless that was the episode for today now you understand what I was saying in the intro try understanding what it's like for me to create these kind of podcasts there is definitely some sort of an exchange of energy and I'm not someone who's gone through military school or um you know Special Forces courses so I'm not mentally ready to face the realities that these human beings bring on these episodes but what I do love is the expansion of consciousness I feel after every single military podcast internally the beer biceps


every single military podcast internally the beer biceps team has decided to do one military podcast in Hindi and one in English every single month so you have a lot more pieces like this coming up just keep following TRS we've switched up our strategy in terms of guest selection and Military stories are right up there we recorded an incredible Hindi piece with Colonel Rajiv berwan as well and I definitely recommend you check out our Hindi podcast as well if you haven't already checked it out we have highlights channels that's TRS clips and TRS Clips Hindi that are set up on YouTube you can just get highlights of all the episodes the arranged very neatly for you to consume I hope you're enjoying every bit of TRS and TRS Hindi make sure you follow us on Spotify every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world yep it's as heavy for me as the heaviness that you're feeling after one of these episodes but I guess that's


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some people work extremely hard and still don't get that element of success and some people don't really have to work very hard and success just comes very easy to them and people will say oh this is so unfair they're not working hard and they're getting it's nothing is unfair in this world what we are seeing as hard work is visible karma in this costume but what we don't know is that Soul has done some very very good karmas in another costume which the world of today cannot see but it's just that my mother started practicing meditation so you know you suddenly have a little shift in the house and she would say try it out experiment so it took a couple of years because I would just not listen was life actually fine yeah life was fine because 25 years back life was not what it is today it's a very different world 25 years back very different we didn't even have the word stress that time in school and college we've not used the word stress it was only in physics it


used the word stress it was only in physics it was never in human emotions 25 years back I don't have much to say about this episode I just want you to experience what I experienced what I do promise you is that it will be heavy BK Shivani has been one of the most requested guests that we've ever had on the ranveer show and every spiritual conversation like this expands my Consciousness and I certainly hope that it expands your Consciousness as well for more Consciousness expanding conversations make sure you follow us on Spotify every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world I send you lots of love I send you lots of prayers I send you lots of light and I hope that lots of growth comes your way because of this episode so Shivani on DRS [Music] um I feel so relaxed just sitting in front of you usually with podcasts I'm supposed to begin with a lot of high energy and then there's some episodes like this


high energy and then there's some episodes like this where my energy is not low at all it's just very centered and that's often an outcome of who is sitting in front of me so thank you for coming down to us thank you so much how are you feeling today very nice because I just started with my morning class before coming here so obviously when we begin the day with studying high energy words and sharing them very stupid question to begin this conversation but uh how much do you think sleep has to do with your reality once uh you know you sort of begin a spiritual journey do you think uh the amount of sleep required reduces because uh I've been meditating for maybe six seven years now and every year I've seen a reduction in how much sleep I need and it's definitely an outcome of age like as you age you know you need lesser sleep but the deeper my meditations go uh the Lesser sleep I need someone sometimes because maybe sleep is simulated in the meditation but other


maybe sleep is simulated in the meditation but other times just because I don't know that's I'm asking sleep depends on how the day has been so if the day has been with a lot of clutter on the mind you know stress emotional fatigue basically not physical fatigue so we sleep for charging of the body and for the mind energizing of the body and the energizing of the Mind the kind of Lifestyles we lead body doesn't get very fatigued we're living in AC homes working in AC offices driving in AC cars physical fatigue is for those who are doing physical work like construction or Farm or that's physical fatigue but most of us are experiencing emotional fatigue so if my mind during the day has created a lot of lower vibrational energy which means stress anger critical judgmental thinking just even in my mind even if it's not in my words and behavior getting hurt feeling let down you know so the lower vibrational energy so then my mind is tired it's fatigued and what will


mind is tired it's fatigued and what will happen is as are the quality of my thoughts during the day so will also be the quality of my thoughts in the night during my sleep so that's why when we are Disturbed we don't even fall off to sleep easily you know it takes time to go to sleep because the mind is not going into the Delta stage so during the day we are in the beta plus stage which is a lot of thinking then we go from B theta plus to Beta to Alpha that is dream stage which is also where we go in meditation then Theta and then Delta Delta means absolutely deep sleep where even if somebody makes a noise around you you won't come to know it's one of those minutes but when we are very turbulent emotions during the day we are not able to go very easily into the Delta stage so we are in that beta Alpha stage very often we tend to wake up in the middle of the night then again try to fall off to sleep because


night then again try to fall off to sleep because we haven't gone into that Theta Delta State so that way we will take longer we need longer and today if you see people even after sleeping longer hours don't get up very fresh and energetic in the morning they feel like sleeping a little more because the body is energized and rested but the mind is still tired because they were thinking even in their sleep dreams turbulent emotions even during sleep also depends on what content I was consuming before going to sleep so many of us are with our phone before sleeping so you know again consuming either the world news or or some kind of media which is not very soothing and calming before sleeping so if that's my lifestyle I will need more sleep you know I often wonder why the older Generations in India but pretty much all over the world actually consume this much news like I feel it's important to know about your world but not kind of be addicted to it it's only 8 PM News


be addicted to it it's only 8 PM News 9 pm news it's so late in the day and uh I often see folks my age kind of not in that system even in their late 20s they prefer kind of not consuming old school media like television Etc um I mean the the narrative all over the world is that old school media is manipulated in many ways uh because of many angles but uh these kind of elements which are sort of I mean I want to call it lower vibrational elements it could be this it could be violence on TV and you know violence of All Sorts even emotional violence to some degree I would even say some soap operas where there is emotional violence as a part of the story um do you think we are heading into a phase of human history where these things are moving away and aspects like spiritualism like meditation actually Rising like the real question here is do you think we're moving into a sort of age of light in the 2020s and


sort of age of light in the 2020s and 2030s because I know for a fact that even with me um all these meditation and these things didn't make sense to me in college I should laugh upon it and it just came into my life in such a strong way right so there has to be a reason it came into my life when I was meant to do this podcast and reach out to so many people right and that just makes me question the age we're going into because when I talk to people in the 30s and 40s they say that we weren't like you in your 20s yes and I tell them that I don't know I'm like this but it's just situations that cause this but there are not many who are in their 20s today on an aura like this so it's not about the age of the body there could be somebody in their 20s and very inclined towards a meditative living and they could be somebody in their 80s and still not interested so it's not


their 80s and still not interested so it's not to do with the age of the body it's to do with the intention of the Soul what it's like there's a whole buffet around you are you more inclined towards the junk food or are you more inclined towards the healthy food which one are you going to choose doesn't really depend on your age it just depends on your liking your intentions do you think many new souls are actually going for the healthy food because that's what we notice uh it's not about new Souls it could also be old souls because what we are going through right now is a time of a paradigm shift so both the things are going to be happening at the same time it's like um the 3 AM 4 AM of the 24 hour cycle where some people are in deep sleep and some people are beginning their Awakening so for someone it's a good night and for another one it's a good morning so it is that time so this is what we call


it is that time so this is what we call the transition like we go through a 24-hour cycle so it's morning afternoon evening night time is cyclic spring summer autumn winter time is cyclic similarly there is a bigger World Cycle golden age Silver age copperage inh which in Hindi we call satyuk tretayuk dwap today's world is called gorkalu which means peak of ironh so we are here at that cusp where it is a piece of peak of Iron Age but it's also now going to be the beginning of the it's a Duke yes absolutely that's why you're inclined towards raising your vibration when you say it's going to be the beginning how far are we really are we like 200 years away no it's not that far away can't you see how lower the vibrations of Kal yoga are moving because of all this destruction happening in the world do you think everything it's not just destruction outside it is about the decline inside so this soul is like a battery


decline inside so this soul is like a battery if we visualize it like a battery so Satya means battery fully charged so there's Divinity and then as we take a body rebirth coming down so morning to afternoon to evening to night batteries so that's when the vices are at its peak so ego lust greed jealousy horror to worry now mental health issues also so this is all meaning the mind is not at that higher vibrational energy so we've reached here so now how more longer are we going to be in this stage or go even so this is the time of the transition where the night is coming to an end and the morning is beginning so some people will be on the night side still sleeping and some people will start the Awakening so for example if you say I have started meditation which means you have started raising your vibration raising it from that lower vibrational frequency of what we used to be to raising to being calm stable accepting people forgiving so you're raising


calm stable accepting people forgiving so you're raising your vibration but when you raise your vibration it's not only your vibration it radiates energy doesn't stay inside energy radiates so you're radiating your vibration into the collective energy of the planet so when one Soul raises their energy it's not only about them they radiate that into the collective consciousness of the planet so the energy of the planet is going to shift so don't need a very big number just need a small number which is called The Tipping Point when that small number compared to the 800 crore population of the planet so we don't have to wait 800 crore people will think of meditating and raising small number which is called The Tipping Point when they raise their vibration they will overpower the lower vibrational energy and the world will shift were you always like this like since then not at all not at all okay not at all after the age of 25 I started after the age of 25 yeah what was happening between 20 and 25. between


yeah what was happening between 20 and 25. between 20 and 25 I was doing my engineering oh okay yeah okay so you're doing my engineering and uh yeah normal College fun parties the other kind of fun now it's the other kind of so no I was not at all like that not at all what happened nothing happened actually my life has been pretty smooth it was good academically everything was fine at home so nothing happened but it's just that my mother started practicing meditation so you know you suddenly have a little shift in the house you see her but then she used to keep telling me to do it and the more she said it the more I moved away because I didn't feel I needed it otherwise I needed life is fine why do I need to do this and she would say try it out experiment so it took a couple of years because I would just not listen was life actually fine yeah life was fine because 25 years back life was not what it is today it's a very different


was not what it is today it's a very different world 25 years back very different we didn't even have the word stress that time we didn't have the word stress in school and college we've not used the word stress it was only in physics it was never in human emotions 25 years back so life was quite fine and I didn't have any issues or problems outside so I think in that era we called that life find that there is no problem and I think in that time in student life only as long as you're doing academically fine everything is okay there's no other pressure and I think it's my personality because she was asking me too much to do it I was like the more she asked the more I went no I'm not interested that's a lot of interested yeah that's why so and uh I also felt I don't know I didn't find many things logical when I heard it the first time so even after I tried I again moved away that I'm not understanding this scientifically and then without any


I'm not understanding this scientifically and then without any reason like you said without any reason it happens one day I just said today I want to learn it but nothing had happened just it just came I've been thinking so much about time because whether it's my own existence whether it is material success I see around me or whether it is spiritual success I've seen people who've started meditating early it's always an outcome of situation and the situations were put into those people's lives which has made me think that it's definitely about an element of willpower and hard work and how much dedication you have towards processes but so much of it is based on your own personality which is again an outcome of time who were the people you met when you were a child who was in your family when did they get into meditation uh if some people work really hard in life why do they work hard in life why are those same people drawn to sports you know where you see athletes working aren't you inspired


know where you see athletes working aren't you inspired from them like uh so much of the world and so much of the people's stories are pre-decided according to me yes there's definitely an element of willpower and um what's it called uh you know when you do things yourself like an element of self but then there's such a huge element of time yes decided by who I'm asking you that question you used the word pre-decided so pre-decided by because it is free decided but pre-decided by who by your own past yeah so that's it so the element is not of time the element is of my karma some people work extremely hard and still don't get that element of success and some people don't really have to work very hard and success just comes very easy to them and people will say oh this is so unfair they're not working hard and they're getting it's nothing is unfair in this world everything is fair it's just that what we are seeing as hard work is visible karma in


we are seeing as hard work is visible karma in this costume but what we don't know is that Soul has done some very very good karmas in another costume which the world of today cannot see and so this consequence of Success is Not of only this hard work it is the work that the soul has done on their journey of lifetimes so nothing is luck nothing is coming out of nowhere everything is pre-decided by the karma I the soul choose to create so karma and my destiny work hand in hand if you've accumulated a certain amount of I don't call it bad but you know like some kind of negative Karma right is there a way to erase it without actually going through the outcomes of it no the outcome will always come but if you have energized yourself the way you will face the outcome will be different and so there will be no suffering like for example before you started meditation and after you started meditation see the way how you are responding to scenes of


see the way how you are responding to scenes of life so meditation is not about feeling calm only while meditating meditation creates a shift in our personality and that personality is visible in the day-to-day Karma so earlier let's say what I was 25 years back if something didn't go my way I'll react but at that time I called that reaction as normal that anger is normal so I'll get angry because that's the vibration at which I was it's a result of the sanskar and the karma that I have carried sanskar means my nature anger is a sanskar like habits personality personality but personality is still actually there's no English word for sanskar personality is you know today we call personality in terms of my body language the way I speak sanskar is emotional patterns like criticism can be a sanskar appreciation can be a sanskar doubt can be a sanskar trust can be a sanskar so if you are a person who trusts very easily so people say trust is your nature


very easily so people say trust is your nature so trust is your son's car somebody doubts very easily that's their son's car someone is very stable someone is very reactive emotional patterns which have come with me from my past Karma and that's why the baby born has Sun scars just the other day I was with somebody who has twins just two months old twins they don't look very similar and the mother very sweetly said she said the day they were born I can see they are so different I said how do you see in a one one day old baby that they are different she said they are so different one is so smiling the other one is like now the child has done no Karma it's just a one day old child but one day is the age of the body the soul so the soul in the previous costume if they were light happy smiling they're just going to carry that sanskar body changed and the other Soul little grumpy because that's how the soul was in the


grumpy because that's how the soul was in the previous costume so we are starting this birth with our Karma and Sans cars and now the present Karma so you said if we've created any heavy baggage could be in this birth I could have made a lot of mistakes in this birth also or I could carry from the past doesn't matter consequence will come but now if I have changed my way of responding the consequence doesn't feel heavy it's like wearing a bulletproof costume your way of responding to the situation will change like if I would react earlier then the suffering is more for me today the same situation and I can be like it's okay there must be something good in this also so now that situation is not creating an element of suffering for me because I've changed my present Karma so when we start meditation we are creating a cleansing here and this will help us to face the consequence of past Karma and this will help us to more or less create the right


will help us to more or less create the right karma in the present I have a friend who actually asked me a question and she only asked me this because I've been meditating longer than her and I actually didn't have a solid answer I'll tell you the way I answered it but first I'll tell you the question the question was how do you gauge that you're advancing in your meditation journey and what I I think learned on the podcast was uh someone had said that you need to spot your own behavioral patterns in terms of if there are angry situations how do you react Now versus how would you react a year ago or two years ago is that different and that's progress but there is also an element of deeper meditation experiences you know where maybe sometimes you get out of a half an hour long one hour long meditation and you're just feeling like whoa where did I just go you know like what what just happened like yes I've had meditations in my own life where


yes I've had meditations in my own life where sometimes it's gone so deep you know I'm I'm meditating for the same amount of time every day but on some days maybe because of the situation maybe because I'm on an empty stomach I don't know why it makes a lot of difference um I have these meditations where I could even like forget where I am there's been a day where I've even forgotten my gender my name like I just feel like I'm a being meditating yes yes now how do you explain this to someone who's never meditated firstly but secondly and more importantly when someone started meditating how do you gauge how much progress you you're getting spiritually or from a meditation perspective a meditation experience can be different on different days like you know and you've experienced it it's not always the same so don't try we don't try and you know say oh I want to feel that thing again which I felt yesterday so meditation experience can be different but spiritual progress is not only


experience can be different but spiritual progress is not only about the meditation experience because someone can have a very Divine experience in their meditation come out of that meditation come into activity because you can't be in that meditative state but you need to be a meditative Karam Yogi Karam Yogi means while you are in your Karam in your action you have to be a Yogi Yogi means in a meditative way of doing your karma so that feeling which you are having while you are meditating should now also be your feeling while you are in activity that Divinity that Stillness whatever you are experiencing during your meditation the next stage will be you will feel that even while you are doing whatever you are doing you could be in a crisis you could be doing your work you could be with people but you are at a different vibration so spiritual progress will be determined by how my feelings are now changing while I'm in activity not only while in meditation that is it's like am I healthy while


meditation that is it's like am I healthy while I'm at the gym no am I healthy only when I'm with the doctor no I go there to get healthy but then I have to check whether how is my stamina during the day if earlier I could climb two flight of steps now I should be able to climb five without getting Breathless that means my physical stamina is building up similarly my spiritual stamina earlier if I would react in my behavior second would be my reaction would be just in my thoughts third stage would be my reaction is just there and it just finishes fourth will be I will not have any reaction I will just respond so it has to convert into a spiritual stamina if I'm meditating but it is not converting into a spiritual stamina it's time to check how long does it take it's different for everyone it's different for everyone okay but it's just a little attention nothing else otherwise if it's not converting into something it's like you're creating an energy energy has


something it's like you're creating an energy energy has to get converted in your activity if it is not converting then I need to check what I'm doing during meditation okay I hear you and I think you've answered the question for a lot of people wondering about the same there's another topic that we will wonder about a lot nowadays and that's the topic of astrology and astrological charts and uh Cosmic influences on our lives yes uh and it's something that I've laughed at again in the past that over you know all this is not real Etc and I've just come to realize that there is some logic behind it and I've got into reading about it as well yes you know and be it like the Western School of thinking which talks about Sun Signs be it the Indian Egyptian astrological charts which talk about rahu ketu and all these things they are all linked they are all uh kind of connected from a sort of uh uh scientific perspective almost like the mathematics of all of them are


almost like the mathematics of all of them are the same but lots of people don't understand it and after we've spoken about meditation willpower Etc I'd love for you to kind of give people a briefing on where the astrological charts have an influence on your reality of life for example you know when they have 12 houses of astrology and one supposed to represent your personality one represents your married life one represents your career etc etc um a lot of times that could be true if it's read out by like a high level astrologer you know someone who knows their stuff he'll or she will say some very accurate things about you and that's how people even get into astrology my understanding is that all of this melts away when you get into your sadhna or meditation but I would love to hear it from your perspective and how much truly melts away you know that's the other depends on the individuals okay so what is the astrological chart it is something that was prepared a day or


chart it is something that was prepared a day or two after the baby was born for most families a child is born and they will get the chart prepared child has not done any Karma and the destiny chart is prepared that at the age of 10 this will happen at the age of 20 this will happen and then we'll get married and then we'll have two children then at this age it's not going to be very good for seven years or five years everything is written down very very clearly written on the basis of the child has not done any Karma so if Karma creates my destiny how is it that my destiny chart is prepared before I've done any Karma so obviously because it's the destiny chart of the Soul not the destiny chart of this body so it has nothing to do with this age so I the soul I'm in this costume and this is my last minute I'm about to leave till this last minute my every Karma and sanskar is on the soul and I leave


and sanskar is on the soul and I leave the body I leave everything behind but the only thing I take with me is my karma and my son's car so I will call this last minute as the closing balance sheet that's your closing balance sheet the soul enters into the womb of the mother couple of months later a baby is born and the destiny chart is prepared that is the opening balance sheet so the opening balance sheet is going to be identical to the closing balance sheet gotcha identical yogena our 31st March closing balance sheet in India is next day first April it's the opening balance sheet so what is in the 31st March closing balance sheet the way I did business in this financial year so they could be good they could be bad they could be profit they could be my every transaction will come there and now I take this whole bunch of transaction into I've just changed a costume for the soul it's nothing just another day but I've changed the costume so that balance sheet is now


changed the costume so that balance sheet is now the opening balance sheet which is given to the family two days after the baby is born what is it based on it is based on the sanskar and the karma that the soul has come with astrology means the science of the influence of the planets on my son's car and this I've discussed with an astrologer a very senior one of India and I said like I went to him very raw because I would not study this for myself I've never studied it or seen it you know you don't know your own okay because I'm sure it's changed it's not as per what was in the chat my parents would have known it otherwise it's not and it's changed based on the lifestyle and decisions you made in this life yeah because that was only the opening balance sheet that is what is very important what many of us do is keep referring to the opening balance sheet as if that is the way life is going to be it is the opening balance sheet


is going to be it is the opening balance sheet only based on my yesterday yesterday means whatever I've come with so influence of planets on the sun's car meditation is going to melt what my son's cars so whatever Sun scars change in this lifetime for the good or sometimes not for the good so with meditation I can change my son's car for the good sometimes due to any other influence or my own my son's car changes towards the other side also the influence of the planet will change and so those predictions where your son's car has changed will not turn out to be true those predictions where your sanskar has not changed will turn out to be true and so if anyone goes with their astrological chart at whichever age they will see that some things have turned out to be as for in the chart and some things have not turned out to be as per in the chart depending on how much change the soul has created which means did you change your way of doing business in this financial year so


your way of doing business in this financial year so somebody can come with profit very good karmas of the past suppose they do not do some good karmas in this they profit balance sheet will now start shifting towards a loss somebody could come with heavy losses but if they do so like meditation or whatever method they choose they start doing good karma good sanskar the balance sheet of this financial year will go towards good profit so the prediction will not always turn out to be it's like your default settings which can be like that is the beginning setting actually it's not even a default setting it is the beginning it's like okay again now we go back to you last night's meal upset stomach I'm sorry I'm using it as a reference because but it's making sense the last night's meal upset stomach in the morning no problem last night's Karma present consequence if you again go and have a very heavy breakfast now so then you're again doing a similar type of karma which means your


again doing a similar type of karma which means your sanskar is making you eat you know in spite of learning that it didn't suit me well you are forced to do it through your sanskar because you're not changing your son's car so if you go and again have something which is not right for your body or you overeat the same consequence is going to come again and then your doctor will say I told you this will happen again they told you based on your sanskar this morning because of what you ate last night but if after what happened today you say okay today I'm going to eat less I'm going to eat light I'm going to eat healthy your destiny is going to change today so you are the creator of your destiny similarly if you take a blood test today let's say and you go to a doctor he'll see your present parameters if my sugar is on the borderline based on my lifestyle and the doctor says okay if you continue like this probably within six months or one year


continue like this probably within six months or one year we are on the borderline of diabetes I come back home that is my destiny chart my blood report and I say oh but what to do I can't change my lifestyle late nights work and I don't have time to exercise victim of my lifestyle then I will definitely get diabetes probably even before the prediction because I always also have an added stress of my health but if someone comes back and says okay today this change this change this change in this change I never get diabetes in this lifetime so the scientific prediction was true what the doctor said was true but it was based on my today's lifestyle and my today's blood report if I change my lifestyle tomorrow um so the astrological prediction is only a prediction so the word prediction needs to be underlined it's only a prediction which means it's a probability reality will be decided by the individual but many people will consume the probability and make the reality make it their reality so I personally prefer not to


it their reality so I personally prefer not to consume the probability because why let's create the best of Karma and if something has to happen because I've passed consequence we'll face it with dignity but if the Mind consumes information of a probability then many minds are not able to rise above that and create a different reality so astrological prediction is a science of the probability of what can happen in my life based on my current sanskars and the karma that I have come with you start meditation start changing your lifestyle and you will change your son's car and the probability will be different from what the reality you will create you know if meditation is sort of one of the key factors of human existence in terms of that's the other thing I've realized in this same argument that it's much more important to progress spiritually it's much more important to wash off your emotional patterns the wrong ones at least and it's much more important to give time to these kind of thoughts and uh these kind of


to these kind of thoughts and uh these kind of philosophies because it'll give you a sense of peace in your day-to-day life um then why is romance even a part of human life you know why is like uh when we watch a World Cup and you see India winning a World Cup why does that make you feel so much emotion you know if the the actual truth of human life is listen sit in one place get into your sadhna definitely help people around to be kind of life is that simple why do these other factors exist is it to distract us from what we're meant to do yeah getting into sadhna doesn't mean you're not going to do your roles and responsibilities of whether relationships whether your work your profession spirituality is not a different life it's not it's not two lives so that's why many people often like you said So what had happened what brought you here so nothing has to happen because we've not moved anywhere else it's not a different life spirituality is


anywhere else it's not a different life spirituality is the way to be in your life in your life not create a different life so if you are an actor you continue acting if you are a cricketer you continue playing Cricket but you're just doing it with a different frame of mind that is meditation and spirituality so whatever you are doing the vibration of who you are will change in your doing but you don't have to stop what you are doing to work on your sadness is not something that we're going to do throughout the day throughout the day we will do the sadhna inactivity here not just sit in Stillness that's not meditation and spirituality it's like charge your phone in the morning you don't have to charge it throughout the day charge your phone in the morning so charge yourself in the morning come into activity using your phone but while using your phone you check that you're not depleting your power so keep keeping it charged with the quality of your karma so we're not going


the quality of your karma so we're not going to leave what we are doing but when we work on the inner being the quality of what we are doing is of a different vibration and you're not doing it to let's say I would not do it for happiness I will not do it for appreciation but I would do it with happiness which means you're not doing it to feel good but you're feeling good and then doing it so you're not using what you're achieving to feel good but you're already feeling good and radiating that into what you're doing so you're not becoming sucking from the world but you are Giver to the world what about romance like why does it exist like in terms of you know and I'll tell I'll tell you why the only answered this question I've always had since I was a kid firstly I've always looked at married couples and asked myself why why even like why is marriage even a thing why does a man and a woman have to come together


does a man and a woman have to come together okay maybe for reproduction like creating a new life but why is it a thing like you know if you actually go down to the real why like when we were just two thousand three thousand human beings on the surface of the Earth who decided this yes parallelly whoever you're with romantically can have such a huge impact on your personality can have such a huge impact on how you view the world how you view decisions it's almost like having a very good or very bad habit in your life yes uh is that the reason that's one question second you know in the west when they're trying to understand spirituality and I actually appreciate that that you know people that are asking those you know questions but sometimes they also misled and there's these other little morphed Concepts that come out I don't know if this is a morphed concept or not I'd love to know what the Indian perspective is it's called the twin flames concept like when two Souls uh


the twin flames concept like when two Souls uh meet each other in one life and you feel you feel like very you know intense about it and both those Souls feel like some that you were meant to meet and there's like fireworks and it may or may not last you know but you're very much meant to meet at that point in the timeline is that the purpose of romance like you're meant to meet certain friends who will have a certain impact on you everyone you meet in a close energy Circle which means not just friends parents siblings anybody who's in your close karmic account in this costume you've met them before you've met them before you're not meeting them first time so be your souls on the journey changing our costumes they are also Souls on a journey changing their costume our present relationship with them is a carry forward of how the past relationship was not necessary in the past relationship I was a parent and child or a husband and wife no but I the soul and


husband and wife no but I the soul and you the soul knew each other in any kind of an interaction it's like suppose we are meeting today for the first time now this is a meeting now depends on what quality this meeting goes does it go on a very harmonious meeting or does it get bitter if there's an argument and it gets bitter and then we go our way and next month we happen to meet again somewhere the second meeting will definitely get influenced by how the first meeting went so if the first meeting was a little bitter the next meeting will be a little uncomfortable and if the next meeting neither of us makes an effort to make it better then the second meeting will even get tougher we might probably just ignore each other we might just look away so it started because of the effect of the first meeting but in the second meeting also neither of us did a good karma to resolve the bitterness and to heal the energy we did six months later we meet


heal the energy we did six months later we meet again at a friend's place now it's the third meeting but the third meeting will first start with the influence of the previous two meetings again now depends in the third meeting what Karma you and me do if we continue making it worse every meeting that means the karmic account is getting bitter and bitter and bitter so some of our karmic accounts in this lifetime are not very happy ones they might start on a very but then they sometimes are a cause of a lot of pain pain can be in any form maybe continuously in the relationship there is pain maybe someone loses somebody there is pain but there it becomes pain in that karmic account so even if my some relationship is not in a very good energy in this lifetime it's like my third or fourth meeting one of the two has to change the karma don't let it carry forward like this because it's only going to get so it started with a simple argument went to ignoring each other third


with a simple argument went to ignoring each other third absolute indifference fourth talking ill about each other to the other guests who are saying why aren't you talking to each other so every next meeting gets worse and will you keep meeting that person until you sort it out you will keep meeting that person because that person is in your very strong karmic pattern cycle you don't meet only the ones which are with the bitter energy you are always meeting also the ones which are very beautiful anyone with whom I have a strong karmic account I will keep meeting so the ones which are beautiful we continue making them even better but the ones which are a little uncomfortable we should sort them out do you think we have met before of course we can't meet like this again otherwise and have this kind of a conversation yes it just just happened so there was no struggle there was no interest happened so everything is very you know once you understand the karma and karmic again connections how it works life


karma and karmic again connections how it works life becomes so simple we don't live a life of blame saying why are they doing this to me why did this happen to me how could they do this to me it's like what Karma do I have to do now with this person so put aside the ego this is again where meditation will help to put aside the ego and be the first one to do the right Karma now in that relationship you might not get right energy from there because they are still in the pain of what I have done last time with them continue but because now you are energizing yourself you have the ability to radiate good energy even if you're not getting good energy from the other side you're able to do that this is your spiritual stamina which is building up so this is what I have to check if I have been meditating am I being able to genuinely being nice not just being nice here am I be able to genuinely being nice even to those who are


to genuinely being nice even to those who are not right to me then my spiritual stamina is building up so then I'm creating good karma in this meeting and then my past karmic account is settling so that's what you said will the consequence still come if you're meditating yes it will but when that consequence comes my present Karma quality is now changed so I'm not going to suffer I'm going to settle that past karmic account so everyone we are meeting not just a the Twin Flame is not just for that relationship parent and a child sibling twins there friends anybody you meet and you suddenly feel oh I connect very well with this person somebody you meet and you say I just can't stand this person it could be at work we have met before so we are all continuing with our karmic accounts spirituality helps us to create good karmic accounts and to clean any uncomfortable karmic account that we have created before uh is there a purpose of marriage in modern Human


uh is there a purpose of marriage in modern Human Society it's their choice it's a choice it's an absolute Choice why should you make that choice it's up to the individual depending on their sanskar and Karma they've already carried that karmic pattern it would be written in their Destiny chart if they have to get married or not because they've already created that karmic account as to who is going to be the one that's pre-decided that's great what about couples that end up getting divorced that is also pre-decided if if divorce will not happen so if you have that written in your day because some people can see it in their Destiny chart oh this marriage will happen but it will not last for very long take it up take it up that this marriage will last because I'm going to change my present Karma that is what it means don't live like a you know victim of only that balance sheet create new Karma change the way you're doing business now and you're not going to


you're doing business now and you're not going to live just based on what you started the financial year with so don't hold that Destiny chart like a reality manual it's a probability manual not a reality manual I create my reality so even if there's anything written which is not very we can change it like we just have to put genuine effort that's where meditation and spirituality definitely helps because you can't just put effort unless you energize yourself it's like you can't build up your stamina physically unless you do something for it whatever you choose to do but you have to do something to build up the stamina so something has to be done to start creating the right Karma feel free not to even talk about this if you don't wish to okay and I'll tell you why I'm bringing this up I've been listening to a lot of podcasts from archaeologists and people who study ancient human history and these kind of things uh and they spoke about what a big role uh natural substances have


about what a big role uh natural substances have played in the expansion of human consciousness in the past and this is not ganja cannabis it's not things like that because that's for recreation this is like higher experiences there's something called Ayahuasca from South America there is a psilocybin mushrooms peyote was used by uh Native Americans to expand Consciousness and to kind of experience higher spiritual States come back down to The Human Experience and then change those same things using meditation you know uh I I believe even in India we had a culture of some some uh whatever it was um they say that the last three four generations of the world are the only Generations that have not really really like used these substances because all the other Generations in the world history have had a history of using these experience of using these substances the question is one why have the last three four generations stopped using it again it's not as encouraging drug use or anything like that and two do you believe that there are


like that and two do you believe that there are these like magical herbs out there that give you higher experiences which make you understand that there are the world's kind of merged in our world there are other beings with us which are able to probably see there are messages out there that you're able to take in you know these kind of higher experiences you get in meditation there are actually sort of Fast Track ways to just get a glimpse of it and then come back down I don't know about these substances but if there's any substance which can give you an experience but then you cannot stay in that experience then there's of no use of taking that substance you have to create that experience you have to create that experience on your journey if some substance is just making you feel high not divine Divine is what is the result of a meditation and spirituality not just a high feeling those are more a distraction where my other emotions are like it's like shutting down the files I are