the time india got it a little bit after that okay and that country has really come up i know for a fact after traveling south korea south korea i'm sorry i'm not talking about north um south korea came up so he said that his parents who probably grew up in the 50s and 60s probably legit lived in villages in in poverty and the country has come out of that to become this world leader in terms of both soft power and hardpower soft powers all this like entertainment culture food hard powers like money yes samsung can hyundai all these like big brands are coming on okay so conversations about korea uh i think uh now that nandini has got kind of a vibe of the podcast we can do 10 other episodes but slowly guys please scrutinize the nation oil break down what you specifically liked about her and what you didn't nandhani any message for the people before you get scrutinized please try not to scrutinize me thank you very much and we will


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anyone who knows this man personally considers him a blessing in their life because of his zen mentality this is one of the rising stars of bollywood and trust me one of the deepest minds that i've come across on my own i'm glad to bring him on the show this is shakunbatra opening up about the world of indian films about the world inside the mind of a director about how this entire industry is evolving and keeping up with social media keeping up with the digital times this is a conversation about bollywood the indian film industry like never before you're going to enjoy shakunbatra on the renbi show remember to follow trs on spotify with spotify exclusive which means that every episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world i urge you to consume the entire podcast and if you can't consume the entire podcast make sure you check out highlights of this episode on our highlights channel trs clips without further ado this is shakunbatra one of


without further ado this is shakunbatra one of the sharpest minds that i know on the ranvier show [Music] welcome to the ranveer show what up man i am such an admirer of the way you look at cinema you're my you're my cinematic crush in many ways like yo and this is what i told you the first time we met so the first time we met you said hi i'm shakun i didn't know your shakun bhatra and then as we hung out that evening i got my shakun batra and i was i just want to tell you that night because i've been shooting for so long and i had been in this kind of just this shoot you know headspace that i felt that after a long time i met some people outside of the film shoot world and i had such a good time because i was like these people are real and they're doing something real because you were talking about all these ideas and all the you know you're so enterprising and you


all the you know you're so enterprising and you had all these thoughts about what you want to do and i was like damn and i'm just making one film and he has 13 ideas he wants to work on yeah i remember that night it's also the curse of adhd you're one of the few incredible creative professionals i've seen who don't really have any sort of version of adhd at all you're a very calm person man you know i often think about it because that is my fear i feel like when i do more than one thing i start to get scared or and that's why i am fascinated by you know multifaceted people who do two or three things at the same time because i feel uh if there was an opposite of a h a e adhd it would possibly be me because i'm that person who can only do one thing at a time and even in that one thing i have to compartmentalize what one thing that i'm doing you know and and that's how i


i'm doing you know and and that's how i like to work i think that's a beautiful version of life man i don't know i mean it works either way i think it's it works you have to i mean you and i both are equally fascinated by the mind and the working of the mind and i think the idea is to accept how your mind functions and how do you stay peace at peace with your mind so if your mind you stay at peace with your mind by doing multiple things then that's your you know you gotta as i said you got you gotta handle your monster and like so i i handle it by just doing one thing at a time so while gary is looking great the question to you is that through all you the films you create are you trying to explore your own mind as the director i was just telling someone the other day i feel like after you realize what a film can do to you when you make it it would almost be kind of sad if you don't let go


almost be kind of sad if you don't let go through that journey with the film because i feel when you make a film the film has this power to change you while you make it and you don't know what it's going to do to you it's it's like a journey that you go on and they'll change you there is no way that you're going to come out the same person part of you wants to go into it because you your mind will face challenges you will come across your own conditioning your own patterns that you didn't think you had before and part of me loves it because you are going through this where you're going to come to a bigger understanding of who you are and i don't think i want to make films unless it opens those doors in my head it gives me a window into my own little you know conditioning and patterns and that that's constantly happening and on this one especially because i was uh you know it was uh it's the first female protagonist that


it was uh it's the first female protagonist that i wanted to kind of work right about with my co-writers so i had to step into you know a different kind of a psyche plus it was about infidelity you know and and for me to realize that even though i've i've always felt i'm i'm liberal and i'm you know left off center and i've always felt like oh no i get it but to constantly come to a place where you're like am i trying to protect this character too much because i judge them already am i judging this moment am i am i am i doing this just so that audience can be okay with it or is this how it should be those kind of conditioning really i mean i was i was i was surprised that i was constantly facing those moments and then people you know my girlfriend um some of the other women i have in my life who are extremely you know um um they have so to say uh great perspective and they would give me


to say uh great perspective and they would give me the little insight into my own writing so that was very helpful so you were trying to explore your own feminine energy in your mind because every every man has both masculine and feminine energy right maybe we were trying to do that right uh my question to you and this i'm not asking you as a podcaster because i'm asking you just as a brother who's like you know now known you for a few months yeah yeah when i saw the garaya trailer those two things that popped out at me one was the framing and you know the gorgeousness which i've told you about like in the past but the second was infidelity right and i've been cheated on it was one of the worst things to ever happen in my so it put me in a a little uncomfortable place yeah but also you know i got curious about what could be inside right and maybe it's gonna make me face my sense of uh i don't know


make me face my sense of uh i don't know dude pain but i still want to watch the film great i mean yeah i listen the thing is we've put such pressure on um relationships and and infidelity has always been looked upon as um so to say on the wrong thing and and and and but the thing is it exists and then people get drawn into these circumstances and it happens and it can get extremely complex and complicated it comes with the share of pain but to to also just sometimes accept that it can happen and it can cause pain uh and also understand what are the circumstances in which it happens and can we be more aware of those things and you know i don't know those things also matter i guess have you been cheated on no i'm not cheated on but i i think i might i though you know when you're in school you were absolutely in love you know this is the one true love you you ever wanted to be in because also at that time your


wanted to be in because also at that time your idea of romance is um your idea of love is too romanticized you know you want to be in love you want to feel the pain you want to be that one person who's who believes that this is the one i've and i've never felt that since uh you know and then so yeah when when that relationship broke up in our last year which there was somebody else that was hard but you know and after that thing's been great i mean i don't know if things been great actually now that i think of it because i wonder if i've ever really been in love and did that relationship damage me to a point where i can't be in love i don't know but those are the things you know yeah what about you how many times you've been in love um the moment you said uh school time he shot the first girl i ever had a crush on her name was sheena singh she's a friend now yeah but we broke up and i thought


friend now yeah but we broke up and i thought oh i'm never gonna fall in love again i fell in love in the 10th grade dated someone for three and a half years deeply and then i think i fell in love directly when i was 23 24 with the same girl i got cheated on and since then in the last three four years i've not felt like i can fall in love again i feel like in your 30s your understanding of a relationship and love changes so drastically and you you know by then weathered a few scars and and i feel like you become more conscious and you're more so to say and i would say cynical but sometimes a little more realistic about it you know and then part of the reason i wanted to make this film is that because i feel like my idea of love was changing and i thought that oh our films have been so over simplified i've oversimplified this idea of love so much that we've actually kind of reduced it it's become very reductive


kind of reduced it it's become very reductive the idea of love in our films and i was like why don't we explore it zoom out a little more why don't we explore it with its complexity love has it has its complexity it's actually not a straight on emotion it's not a it's not i think we are so hung hung on to the idea of just the purest form of love that we want to negate and not accept anything that steps outside of that boundary and yeah you know being cheated on has taken away the simplicity of love for me now i view it in the way that you maybe because you're older than me you're saying that you know you've probably seen i could be and runway it's not that honestly man i do want to [Music] go back and feel the simple the simplified version of love i would love to go back and feel the romanticized idea of it but it's not something that i'm constantly looking forward i'm looking looking at as just that if it


forward i'm looking looking at as just that if it happens great if it doesn't happen i still feel there's enough happy things that one can find in a relationship and you know and and and you just change you just change uh so to say um your hook into it you know you don't you don't have to want the same thing to be happy that you felt before i think the idea is to kind of see what you've what that relationship is giving to you in in that present moment and you can't just keep measuring this measuring it to the previous one or what you felt back then i think that's where you put set too many expectations out of it so you know that yeah speamer expectations um i have to ask you about this whole an actor's mind concept okay we had tapsi pannu on the show we got bernard hacker on the show we had abhishek bachchan on the show and all of them spoke about as actors they feel emotionally like kind of distraught after a shoot


feel emotionally like kind of distraught after a shoot is done because they have to keep tapping into that they actually not feeling sure so if you're happy but if you're feeling sad you have to tap into that actually feel sad and then that affects their personal lives do you think a director goes through the same thing through the course of his film like if you're making something dark do you also start having dark thoughts i think maybe not as much i think because because you don't have to emote you have to obviously help or be there for the actors to kind of take them on that journey but you know when when you're taking six or seven takes and now my reputation has been spoiled terribly for taking too many takes the thing is you don't have to cry 13 times you have to you have to see the take 13 times or so so i'm sure it's it's harder for them but but at the same time i think um uh a movie as i said just changes you in its


a movie as i said just changes you in its own way and and i and i actually look forward to that process i don't want to hold back if i'm feeling that the film is doing something to me i actually want to feel it you know i want to let it happen to me and yes sometimes it gets very stressful sometimes you feel the weight sometimes you actually i feel i feel the most weight when i'm writing it because that's when you're really living it for the first time you are in it for the first time you know then you've lived it you've written it a few times you've had other people read it a few times by then you're becoming more objective in a way because other people are doing it so the most subjective experience as a writer director would be when you're writing it so you cry when you write a great scene in terms of you know emotional scene you feel the tension when you're writing a tension scene you were right feeling it better so you know you're listening


right feeling it better so you know you're listening to music you're walking up and down a room that's real for me like that's the time and i'm actually living it that's also the joy of filmmaking what you spoke that's where you feel it you live through the whole world in your own head yeah and then what happens is as you direct it the logistics come into play right then it's it's you need the crew and the camera and the location and you need two takes by this time you're gonna break for lunch so then it's the logics logistics and execution of it so i can't live it uh so closely in fact i'm watching others live it in that way directors actually that's what you're doing here you're making sure you're seeing the others like oh yeah that feels real that feels real she felt that that feels good but you've actually kind of lived it a little bit before others have and you know with your earphones on heard the music i mean i have


your earphones on heard the music i mean i have great ecstatic moments when when i'm working with you know writers and when i'm in the in the edit sometimes that's when i get really charged like i'll walk up and down and if i feel excited i'll just play some music you know just start to dance sometimes like those those things are pretty amazing what are you what are you trying to do like in your life in terms of other than films like what's what's it all leading up to or are you just enjoying one film at a time because i'm sure you are yeah comes through in your cinema but what's your inner why man uh the why is to [Music] uh know that i i want to kind of just follow and evolve so to say i want i want to evolve my storytelling i definitely want to tell better stories i want to if i can in whatever little way i want to shift the needle of storytelling that's why i want to do more more layout more nuanced


why i want to do more more layout more nuanced more sophisticated storytelling because i feel we've kind of you know they've made such interesting progressive stuff over the years and i feel like last decade or so people are you know they're lesser and lesser people with their own voice and i feel like they're i know younger talent and i'm sure you know younger talent is they just need someone where they can like oh yeah we can also do this we can try this and i and i want to shift that needle i want to as i get into a position of some kind of influence i want to bring that talent to the forefront i want them to come and and change the storytelling like as directors yes as anything man i i feel like the word director for me is changing its meaning you know i feel uh i am more and more for collaboration and bringing more voices to come together even on this film yes you know you can be you're called a director and you get the


can be you're called a director and you get the first credit but i can't see this film without five or six people who've been with me on it and and i would say in some ways they have equal ownership they have brought so much to the to the thing so i think yes we still have the conventional credit system and in some way you are the gatekeeper for the vision or or the storytelling and you have the final say but um what everyone brings to the project is immensely valuable and you have to know that you couldn't have done it to say that if he wasn't there you could have done it is completely wrong you couldn't have done it and i and i am also you know somebody who's looked up to amazing directors who come from the the artwork theory which means that it's single man's vision you know the kurosawa and all of that the art was there it's a single man's vision where everyone comes in to help that person and i get that but i am


help that person and i get that but i am actually starting to feel you have a vision and the way i want to work is you open up that vision for others to contribute and that vision then evolves into something bigger and better so so as i said it's a more collaborative effort and as weird as it may sound like when when now i see it's rohit shetty calls it directed by rohit shetty team or stuff like that i'm like oh he he he's doing something which is right it's it's and it's we make completely the opposite kind of film but i can see that there is respect for people who work with him and i think that's amazing and that's why i love the idea of collectives artists coming together i feel like it's going to change movies going to change they don't have to still be so you know the same old conventional hierarchy that we have i think that's that that would change over time what's it like working in bollywood like what's the vibe


it like working in bollywood like what's the vibe if you had to explain it to non-bollywood folks like what's the vibe of existing in that world dude i've been so fortunate right i i i've had the best of bollywood in terms of the kind of people i've had um i've to be honest for the longest time i've stopped looking at it as an outsider that oh this is bollywood i can't i am what's your parents background nothing to do with film in fact they don't watch film so mine are the only film that they have to sit through and that i'm telling you sit through because actually they wouldn't want to watch this either if if this didn't have my name on it they would not even sit through this so they take a nap in the afternoon to watch it in the evening because they'll fall asleep uh and my sisters um they both love films so they are extremely excited but what's really funny is that you know three days ago i had to go


that you know three days ago i had to go to um the kapil sharma show and i thought that got them more excited than the idea that i've actually made a film over two years and they're like oh movie make and like kapil you're going to come to my show and i'm like yeah but i also made a film you know what what's the experience of kapil sharma oh man so listen i i honestly i had i hadn't really followed the whole show and i had heard it was funny and people are like oh hello bro and whatever i don't care the thing is i've been shooting for the last whatever year and a half been trying to finish this film and i've had all this kind of weight and what i've done is i just delivered the film like four days ago and then the next day i was feeling like oh like i was still waking up with the weight of the film i went there with literally no expectations and then i started to laugh and then i started


and then i started to laugh and then i started to just laugh more and by the end of it i realized i'd forgotten about my film also it's couple show he wasn't really talking about the film we were talking he was talk he was doing his skits he was doing his thing so i forgot about the film and for the first time in a year and a half i think those two hours i forgot about the film and i was just laughing and when i left that place i was like dude i'd pay to be in the audience to just watch this uh you know because when i went home i slept and i woke up at 10 the next morning which hadn't happened for two years i've been waking up at 6 30 seven with the you know the whole anxiety of making a film so i think in some way he healed me that night with his humor i mean i genuinely don't know how funny it would be when it comes out but as i said


would be when it comes out but as i said i think i just tuned into it and i was telling uh you know ananya and they pick up that i feel like maybe there was something in the air maybe they you know like how in casinos they pump oxygen in the air do you for you to keep up maybe they put like helium or something i don't know i was tripping you know i was having a great time so yeah i had gone for a meditation seminar once where they made us do this laughing meditation whoo there's this one course i've done it was a reiki course and it's a three day seminar and the second day they just make you close your eyes and they begin a tape with like monkeys laughing then the instructor starts laughing and if you're really in sync with it because it's a guided meditation even you start laughing and everyone just laughs for like an hour wow laughing is one of those things that spreads yeah but speaking about this


those things that spreads yeah but speaking about this man couple sharma dude media industries have so much respect for everything he's built out yeah like how do you build something like that how do you sustain for like more than ten years yeah uh what's his vibe like like when you see him up close and you see him doing his thing yeah uh what's he like in his flow i think uh what's so fascinating is that there's a lot of thought that has gone into it even though it feels so impromptu and on the go you realize that he he there is a structure in his which is very clearly drawn out on the page so as as fluid at his seams you realize that his humor there's a lot of effort to make it that fluid there's a lot of prep that has gone in for for them to be able to improvise and that that's what i've always felt even about acting what do you mean what do you mean prep for them to improvise i think


you mean prep for them to improvise i think um uh improvise as a term is taken extremely lightly even in films and that's something i even you know picked up when scorsese speaks about taxi driver and how everyone thinks it's an improvised film and de niro improvised but what it needs is for you to do all the hard work beforehand so you have a blueprint you've done the groundwork so on the day you don't have to feel that pressure and then on the day you have the freedom to explore and that's exactly how i feel about onset acting which is unless you haven't done the read if you if you've not done the readings if you've not done the groundwork of who are these characters what are they really going for in this scene you know how you how how you feel about what's the energy of the scene how is going to how does it need to feel once you've done all the ground work then on the day you have a lot more scope because you


the day you have a lot more scope because you know one version of it that you've already prepped so then you're like i know this and i know i have an hour so let's try it this way oh where do you want to be you want to stand there let's try it that way oh the camera doesn't have to do this let's try it here because you've done [Music] all the prep it's not that you're doing it because you don't know what it is you're doing it because you know one version of it already so now you're like let's try the other one let's try the other one you know would you say this same thing as this guy's strip kabul he's always prepared yeah i think he's is extremely prepped and and there's as i said a structure to for him to know that the floor is going to work but how do you become funny within structure that's talent is that god gifted talent according to you i i think if you didn't have structure you


you i i think if you didn't have structure you wouldn't be able to stay funny for long enough because at some point it starts to go off and that's the same thing i think he's aware and i do the same on set sometime which is he's aware if he if he shoots ten things two will not work so that's part of the structure right and the same thing when you're when you're when you're shooting a montage in films which is like you know 10 or 12 moments that come together to make you feel something i always time and i'm like oh if i if if in 90 seconds i'll need five moments i'll always shoot eight because when you sit on the edit three will not work just the way we'll do this podcast at some point there'll be a dull moment and you have to know where to cut out there's no dull moments with you mr butter only unless you start taking your shirt off and like do something this is i don't know where this is going


something this is i don't know where this is going no no uh i gotta ask you some spicy questions as well bro i i got no spicy answers just to tell you that you know don't get me into trouble no phil's not out yet no no the same coffee with karan i get it mr batra i've been traveling a lot across india and one thing i've noticed is that when you grow up in bombay you don't put film stars on a pedestal as much as the rest of the country does right but you travel anywhere else and you realize okay these people are on a pedestal their reality is different my my family my sisters my cousins are man i i i think they get um even with small things they are they are they can't believe that i'm so close and and so i'm so okay about it like you know for them for so many people it's a dream you're living in a dream world yeah but what's it like on the inside like i know


but what's it like on the inside like i know you're tight with some of the top whims feel free to drop names what are they like as people you can take dude here's the thing and and sure i i have some close friends i've made some very close friends and the one thing you realize once you start making films is that they all just want to make a better film they all just want to do their work right they're all extremely disciplined they pick is extremely disciplined she almost you know works works like a sports person she has a routine she'll make sure she's done those things she's read a line so the thing is there is a lot of glam the the world that you see on the tv or when you read about in a magazine or instagram for me that's the most that's just the projection of it and that's what we are seeing so we think this is their life this is what they do but actually that's that's the one percent of their life that we are watching


the one percent of their life that we are watching and that's that's where also i feel i feel scared off because a lot of people when you meet them just like you know entrepreneurs you if you just see the money and instagram pages like do i wanna i wanna be you know i wanna have a startup i wanna run a startup right but i think filmmaking is like a startup oh for sure you know there's a lot of projection of of like the gloss of it uh when you're putting a movie out you know it's all about promotions everyone's wearing great clothes you know you on tv you're coming in these fancy cars and you know but your regular day is actually really hectic and hard and there is no gloss to it you know there's no gloss to showing up on a set at 6 30 uh running you know to to kind of make sure things happens running late on shots breaking for a quick 20 minute lunch break getting back there is no gloss there so


break getting back there is no gloss there so the thing is when when a lot of people come in chasing the gloss and then working and realizing oh the gloss is not going to happen in the next six months one year gloss may happen over two years or three years and that also for such a short time they get shaken and and and their dreams get broken what i hear you saying is that the people at the top are deeply disciplined and by people at the top i mean yourself you know directors the actors who made it big discipline is like the underlying factor yeah and this is all i've heard about deepika that that discipline is the reason she is where she is oh i feel anybody who's successful whether it's in this industry outside they have a process that they trust they have um a structure to how they work and i can talk about my mentor in that way karan who i have seen very closely you know i i was an assistant i worked with faran before


i i was an assistant i worked with faran before that i've i've worked on with multiple directors uh over the films and i can tell you one thing that stays consistent and they can be completely different people night people day people party people um you know completely um so to say introvert uh introverted people but but what stays is that they are dedicating time to their craft and they're dedicating time to their very clear goals they have very clear process to get to that goal and and they're working towards that and i think that never changes so for me i've realized that the only and thankfully that's also given me clarity that oh as i said i'm here for storytelling i'm here for making better films so i need to make sure that i'm dedicating time to that you know sure you know when your promotions are going on there's this you're doing media interviews and you're doing you know whatever your instagram page is suddenly very active but that's not the real that's not reality


active but that's not the real that's not reality man that's the reality you create because so to say it works and it brings people in and you need people to come in but that's not the reality of making the film that's a reality of selling or marketing a film and it's a very short-lived reality you know since you are close to deepika okay uh as a friend what would you say is her strength though oh i think uh detachment i think she there's a reason she lives in prabhadevi and she tells me this like she wanted to make sure she doesn't get lost in the in the noise of of of of the industry you know um she wanted to maintain that perspective and i think that's something that she's constantly looking forward to she wants to maintain perspective she surrounds herself with other friends who come who are from outside of the industry you know her family is really important to her uh and because she she constantly craves that detachment so you can have a


constantly craves that detachment so you can have a very um real conversation and and she's too different she's she knows when she is they pick up on the star and when she when she needs to so to say play that part you know and when she she needs to just be normal and she can she you can see she can very easily cut out the stardom from her day-to-day life where she just want to chill she wants to talk about normal things and she's that way she knows when to project the stardom and own the room and she knows when to actually disappear you know and for me i think that managing to stay and i think with all actors this is what i believe they they have to at some level hold on to some idea of reality because because the people make you feel like you're outside of this reality you are bigger and better but what i've always found fascinating fascinating is something worked your work looked great but just the way the industries structured movies


great but just the way the industries structured movies are structured they put you on a pedestal and then what happens is you start to you have to start at some level believing that you're better than the others that people love you so much because why else do you receive so much love unless you're special so then you start selling that narrative to yourself i'm special i'm better i'm doing this and and it depends how how real you want to stay or how much you want to give into that sense of self-esteem which i think is a false self-esteem yeah we had a sick spiritual leader on the show and from every podcast i have like one learning usually one key learning sure from him he spoke about how all forms of spiritual growth therefore intellectual growth therefore life growth right are related to kind of erasing the ego so if you absolutely you have created something or you have achieved something you are better it's keeping you paused in that spiritual journey of self-discovery absolutely so what do


spiritual journey of self-discovery absolutely so what do you think of this this world that you described you said where you're forced into believing the sense of me me me eye what does it do to the reality of the person what does it do to the soul of the person well star on no star i think all of us are building a narrative in our heads uh all of us believe that we we are doing something and yes we are you we are making choices you are building things but this sense of attachment of of of me and any spiritual growth is about letting go of the me right is is is to realize um that that that is the ego playing um and and for me it's not just the stars for them it's even harder because it's not just them building this narrative it's the entire machine rebuilding the narrative for you right the instagram building the narrative the magazines are building that narrative all interviews are building that narrative so the narrative just keeps


building that narrative so the narrative just keeps getting stronger and stronger and then that's why you need a even more stronger sense of what you hold on to define your reality so to say i think it's the same with any career that has fame as an attachment absolutely famous at the forefront for actors fame is probably secondary for me fame is also secondary for an athlete which brings me to the subject of mason greenwood you heard what happened no so there used to be this footballer called robin van persie about 10 years ago incredible striker okay best left foot you'll ever see the ball touches his foot you can expect that it's in the gold right so there's this young kid who's i think or 19 years old his name is mason greenwood and he's supposed to be the second coming of robin van persie huge career in front of him you know he plays next to ronaldo he combines well with runner when you see him play you realize this kid has talent right


him play you realize this kid has talent right two days ago uh a girl uploaded footage and photos of her where she's like beaten up and she uploaded a voice note where they she said she's recorded them having a conversation and she's like telling him to back off and he's like well come and hit you if you tell me to back off i want to have sex with you right now right and he beat her up ouch okay now i'm sure that yes there might be some childhood drama acting up here even with him that's the understanding right but this is what fame can sometimes also accelerate it accelerates your demons i think we as a society especially the more we go into the metaverse and instagram and building this idea of following and fame we need to start training people to understand fame and understand the good and bad of fame because fame is going to start becoming a very important part of of just our culture yeah we've never had so many windows of becoming famous before


never had so many windows of becoming famous before and i feel imran my friend who did january and we were very young when he when he got his first hit of fame you know we were 24 25. he once said something extremely um uh you know what i what i consider really valuable to me he said fame is a disease we just haven't explored it yet yeah and and i and i and i and i understand what he's trying to say there is a level of it that can sit in your mind and start 100 eating into it and building this fake idea of it and that's why and i'm not saying negate it and you know detest it no just like any other emotion it is something we need to understand but i also feel that people need to psychology psychology psychologists need to start understanding it at a broader level and actually putting in place checks and measures that one can take as you're on the journey to become famous i don't think it's something you should


famous i don't think it's something you should avoid but it's something you should tread on very carefully in the age of social media my fame is so widespread i think this is a very interesting concept that we should speak more about how to handle it there's a lot more famous people now than ever yeah coming back to mason greenwood dude this is a world-class career which has literally come to an end right now at the age of 19. and that's the downside of fame where maybe you're meant to be something but because you can't handle the fame everything gets yeah and people you're right people are becoming famous at such an early age where they're not even equipped to handle it right and and the repercussions of that we've seen in musicians who become very famous very early on they don't know how to deal with that kind of attention or um or success and money and the thing is those things are great they can provide so much comfort and and also sometimes just purpose but


so much comfort and and also sometimes just purpose but at the same time they have a darker darker side to it and i'm really actually very curious to kind of explore that because it's never it's never it's never before in in in so to say in close near history that this has happened with so many people at such an early age because you're a director you're also kind of the boss on set so if you see an actor acting up in terms of this concept we spoke about if you see someone starting to get arrogant do you go give them feedback depends on my equation and depends on how much time is left on set with them you know if i have just two days of shoot left i know i can get get get work done i would let go but if i think it's affecting my shoot if i think it's affecting what output i'm getting if if i think it's going to affect what my film is going to look like then i do go and have that chat and


like then i do go and have that chat and i've had that chat with some very senior actors where i've had that moment where i and in the most respectful way because i think everyone at some level is aware when things are not going right and they're open for a conversation and i've always dude listen here's the thing anybody at this level whether when they're extremely you know successful there is an ego but i think the for me the difference between great people who are successful is they know how to manage that ego and if you go and sit next to them to have a conversation if you just lead in with the right right intent they're very quick to say i get what you're saying it just you have to know you have to be measured you have to know when that conversation is needed and how you how you step into that conversation you know speaking about conversations do you remember the deep ass conversation we had in that hotel room and there were other people in the hotel room with us i think we


people in the hotel room with us i think we just switched to a different frequency and like we had a common friend kavita was also on the show with you at some point uh and and and and i remember it was a chill conversation and then i feel like you may just switch to a different frequency and then i was like oh i'm are we killing the vibe of this no no do you do you remember that i gave you a hug at the end do you remember why i gave you a hug you said something in specific i was talking about rain the the philosophy that i'd come across and it had really helped me i've always looked just like ranveer i think on on um to consistently be on my spiritual journey i think for me everything kind of is to help you align yourself all your work and how do you accept things that are hard how do you [Music] how do you look at at reality and so you don't negate things you don't ignore


and so you don't negate things you don't ignore things you accept them all kind of emotions even though they are emotions that you want to put away or suppress i came across this book called radical acceptance and radical compassion and i think radical compassion it's a book by tara brock who so to say is a spiritual teacher um and and she spoke about reign as uh recognize allow investigate nurture so anything that you're feeling that you don't want to feel anything that you want to avoid anything you want to throw away actually the first step is to recognize that you are feeling that and and realize that you are trying to dete like push away something once you recognize that you're trying to push away something you allow for it to just stay don't push it away and i think that's the second step of rain recognize allow allow for it to just be there don't detest it don't push it away and then once it starts to sit with you and you get comfortable with


starts to sit with you and you get comfortable with with it just being there it's not something you like or whatever you're just comfortable as if it's an emotion sitting with you in the room then you investigate it but you're investigating it from a place of being gentle you're not uh you're not judging yourself you're just allowing it to stay there so you can look at it you look at the different perspective of why it's why it is and nurture is to heal it and and you can only heal it when you accept it and you accept that you're feeling this even if it's an emotion that you don't want to feel whether it's anger or jealousy or insecurity or or or the things that you would never want to believe that you are feeling and i you know so many times you feel that you don't like somebody and you you hate yourself for not liking that person so you start justifying why you hate that person and why does that person deserve your


that person and why does that person deserve your hate or why does that person deserve your jealousy because he's like that she's like that so you justify the idea is to forget just forget that recognize that you're feeling it allow that emotions to stay investigate why you are feeling this and the nurture part is actually to work on yourself and not on the other so that you can you can heal yourself off all the kind of entangled complexity that you're feeling and just allow yourself to free yourself of that emotion so for me um that's what we discussed and and that's really come handy is to take a pause you know i thought about it a lot that day and it took me to conversation i had a year prior to that day with a friend of mine who taught me about the concept of creating distance between your thought and your perception that's meditation yeah all of meditation right so it's basically the same concept where they say that you're not in control of your thoughts


say that you're not in control of your thoughts yeah random thoughts will drop in your head i want to be able to do this i fail at this i'll be in danger here yeah that's a thought which is automatic but your perception is up to you and meditation allows you to take that perception yeah and bring it two three steps back and observe your own thoughts like a third person and not always believe your thoughts not always buy into your thoughts you know thoughts are just going and thoughts are coming from there's so many things that that are that are unattended in us you know deep down and our thoughts are coming from those places our fears our insecurity our desires and they're all just throwing it you know so you have to be able to just watch them before you act upon them you know so so as you would know it's it's always about you have to respond not react yeah and and sometimes thoughts take you in this tail spin off reactions which i try to avoid as much


spin off reactions which i try to avoid as much as i can you know there's a deeper level of neuroscience in terms of the end of reign which is basically that once you've been able to create distance between your thoughts and your perception right the next step is that final step execution what do you actually do with the thought right so for example say you're at home you're with your parents and one of your parents has said something that put you off sure a version of you from two three years ago would lash out at your parents yeah you know because you sometimes take those relationships for granted those are the triggers right yeah so you've noticed a trigger now neuroscience says that if you've been able to notice it and you consciously switch to another action that no one's lashing out yeah i'm gonna let it sit inside and i'm gonna calmly communicate that please don't please don't say that it hurts me yeah there's a book called non-non-violent communication that gives you step-by-step way


non-non-violent communication that gives you step-by-step way of talking back to somebody when you feel that triggered and it's it's beautiful i i thoroughly enjoyed that can i know you you you are quite deep into these ideas so i think you'll really enjoy it too also i'm deep into neuroscience that's my new subject fascination and i think those are the things actually really excite me about things becoming more and more accessible for day-to-day people because of youtube right you can watch something like this and be like oh i get it you don't need to spend thousands of dollars on therapy to arrive at this anymore you you can watch a lot of stuff if you can just sit with yourself every day for half an hour 40 minutes you can work so much on yourself you know i also want to again highlight neuroplasticity which is the brain's ability to mold itself as you go forward in life so if you put your brain through situations like the way you're executing on your


situations like the way you're executing on your thoughts changing your action over time that process of changing your action becomes much easier and your distance between your thought and your position if you have atomic habits here i mean that's that's really about that right yeah it's about making the smaller changes day to day and then that has compounded the effect on on your on your behavior i completely get that totally 100 i also feel the older you get as a person you start noticing it in yourself more in your friends more janitor it was such an important thing for me dude you mentioned that a hundred times laksh yeah laksh is my my my you know janae now taught me things about love men uh you worked that's a cult classic like if i am extremely embarrassed to tell you that when we were making that film i had no expectations i was like what are we doing there's a kid on a horse riding through bombay streets this is absolutely outside of reality how would


streets this is absolutely outside of reality how would anyone ever understand this film cut to i couldn't get tickets for my family on the weekend and i was like are people really watching this you know and then then i realized how it connected and what it did to to the audiences you know it did a lot to people about my age you know early 90s kids uh i remember being in the theater uh during kahito uh during that song dude i wept for the first time in a movie as a toxically masculine 14 year old i was crying thinking about the girl i like oh i was like this movie is going to stay with me forever you're the puppu in the papu dance well you know everyone makes mistakes what can i say man i i mean i should just get a tattoo saying i made a mistake uh well i didn't make a mistake honestly it was such a fun experience we were a bunch of friends making that film we were in alibaug


of friends making that film we were in alibaug it's so funny we were in alibaug and we didn't have enough actors so so abbas uh the director who just looked at me and said we'll just do this partner i mean he just want papua nobody and i and at that time even though it was obviously mr heman who'd done the music in my head i was like what is this track papukan dance and who's ever going to listen to this track so you know i i stood up there and did it and and got to it became a film everyone watched and you wouldn't believe a teacher of mine called me from school they thought i was trying to become an actor and i was struggling in bombay trying to act and a teacher of mine from school messaged me on facebook saying it is okay it is okay people start like this don't worry people will see you even though this is a very small part maybe somebody will recognize you one day and i felt like


will recognize you one day and i felt like how do i explain to you i'm trying to be a director not an actor so so you know it was um and and and it's so funny because even when i became i was directing my first film um you know you would be directing some some actors you're meeting for the first time or or or you know a few new people on set and they'll be like oh you you are that you're that guy and you're like okay they're never going to take me seriously they're never going to take me i've grown a beard but i think it's it's still um i've not managed to um you know get get get that image out of people's mind but what does it feel like when you see something you worked on become a cult classic i'd even say the same kapoor and sons dude did you realize what you were building when you were doing this or not i had no clue i mean i just i mean i was so surprised


mean i just i mean i was so surprised what's the story there a story where with kapoor and sons what's the story like why do you want to do that film well i just like i just the way i want to do any film i want to do i want to try tell a story that means something to me and hopefully it's not conventional and it's not something that that that's you know assembly line product it's not run of the mill it's it's trying to do something different it's i was as i said with with kapoor and sons i was kind of bored with the idea of how we showcased families in indian films for a long time and i was like i don't feel like that um why don't we why don't we try something which feels more authentic to me same thing with gerania is like as i said an oversimplified idea of love that we've been seeing for so long but we've had better i mean not better but as i'm nothing against a romanticized idea of


but as i'm nothing against a romanticized idea of love but i think it's been a while since you've seen uh la me or you know movie like earth silsilla you know where are those kind of films and and listen even look at something like devdas for the time when it was written it's an extremely complex story you know it's not a straightforward piece of love these are complex characters going through messy situations and and they were accepted in mainstream and they're huge so so i was like those those emotions connected those kind of stories connected they're kind of missing for a while and it was just time to maybe bring them back into conversation so yeah that's the starting point for me is like i feel that this has been a kind of a place where we haven't explored so let's let's go and see if if there's something to try here you know um what did that film do to you though because it made a lot of families feel naked while watching it kapoor yeah you wasn't


naked while watching it kapoor yeah you wasn't you're like oh this it happens in my family so like what did it do for you man well every film as i was saying early what you look forward to is what a film does to you actually more than what you're like in the long term in the long term and and i think every film mostly in the writing state not always in the in the in the directing stage heals you a little bit because somewhere something that you've been holding on feeling you do put in the film you dramatize it you fictionalize it whether it's with it's my own struggle or or my own morality of how i uh how i my struggle with the idea of morality and and monogamy and infidelity more right versus less right more wrong versus yeah and being able to not know which side of the line i should be at and what should i feel about it and to be honest i don't have an answer and i'm not i'm not taking


have an answer and i'm not i'm not taking responsibility for giving an answer but i think it's it's it's for me is a movie that leaves yet a question and let you kind of interpret it and find an answer for yourself so in that way i'm really keen to see how how it interacts with the audiences because i feel now now that's something i'm really enjoying about storytelling is not to you know do a nice little bow tie in the end but to be like take hopefully take people on a journey and leave them at a question where they're like oh oh i got to do the thinking now you know and can we do that to to to audiences today that that's for me is very fascinating dude as a director are you also selling the film to audiences in some ways right like you're deciding the trailer you're deciding 100 and this time i'm also you know a co-producer so for me i've been really excited about like how do we package this how do


excited about like how do we package this how do we market this what does that mean like when someone is a producer in bollywood what does it really mean well it has um many fold uh you know ways of looking at it obviously uh in the conventional sentence the guy who's bringing in the money but now that's not the case i think it's it's somebody who's building ip just the way you are right you're building an idea uh and and and and you're gonna execute it you wanna make sure you take responsibility for it to arrive at a consumer in a way where uh where it will gets its maximum you will feel most satisfied when you when you arrive at it let me rephrase that it's well so okay can i say that the money comes from financiers nowadays but a producer modern day producer is sort of responsible for the creative vision gets people together gives inputs to the director which is you yourself in this case but you know for me karan's you know who are the


know for me karan's you know who are the actual so to say conventional producer how you would look at it they're also my mentors so in a way it's it's it's in their own way helping us get trained so that you know we can do more of it and as i said we want to whatever i've learned from karen i've learned tremendously from him i want to make sure that i also pass on and i can nurture other people just the way he's nurtured us you know so it's it's kind of a chain of expanding and then growing together so i think it's it's a little bit of that i've always felt like credits beyond a certain point are just um formalities you know you can we all work because we want to tell a story i would still be involved with marketing and and and putting a package together because i i'm excited about how people are going to receive my film you know yes you know so now you have a credit you


yes you know so now you have a credit you i'm extremely thankful for that you know and then being able to know that you have an ownership of what you've built those extremely rewarding and gratifying things but you're gonna still do everything you need to make sure that this story connects you know and you have to prepare the audience it's it's people you think if you have a good film and you do know prep it may still connect but sometimes a movie needs to you need to set the lens for the audience you need to give them a sense of tone mood before they step in so that they can they can enjoy it more they can already come with a little more connect with the film so you know those things are extremely crucial i have a sales input here again i'm a salesperson i'm a digital entrepreneur i'm a youtuber the way i look at selling a film from the outside i feel like digital selling is at the forefront you market through instagram you market to say because


forefront you market through instagram you market to say because instagram or sids instagram or whoever you know and then he has instagram uh but there are deeper layers to it where because of covet behaviors got accelerated absolutely so now the average consumer people are listening to this podcast people are using social media want to know about say the actors or the director in terms of who they are as people who are they behind the glitz it's actually a selfish question to you but still uh why have we not been able to get more actors on the show because personally i feel like this shows a great medium to unleash right modern day marketing right but for some reason we do struggle with like getting people on board easily like i think we have to we will chase them and all right so i understand it's some old school machinery which is at play but absolutely how do i shift that see first of all i think especially with this film and because we're coming out of kovid i was very sure that


coming out of kovid i was very sure that our digital presence means everything for marketing so if you see we are doing a lot more real oriented stuff if you see the first teaser i put out it's vertical format i did not put out a motion poster because everyone's doing it and i was like why motion poster if you can actually put the motion why are we doing this so when we going to do a title release i you know worked with my team on a vertical teaser that's where the question came from yes and and i after that realized uh how much more that travels and and then if you see all um all our uh you know marketing so to say is uh encouraging more real sharing behavior because we see how much people consume it we see how much more people it engages the audience they make more real the song bro absolutely so the moment i realized from the teaser how quickly that turned into engaging the audience and making them participate today there you are no more doing a


participate today there you are no more doing a passive marketing unless you are involving people unless you're engaging them and getting them to interact with your with the material you're putting out there is no fun so yes i i am completely with you whereas i think the way we promote movies the way we interact with audience is going to change drastically in the next two or three years it has changed i feel again i'm coming from a place of being within the digital ecosystem and we study our comment sections people love it when stars open up but stars for some reason even when we get them on the show not everybody opens up because they have that layer of now what will happen if i step there you know i think what will happen is that your brand will grow even further 100 i think this there may be some reservation to make that shift and that's why you can see that even when when when they're making that shift they rather control that on their own you know so their instagram page


that on their own you know so their instagram page a lot of stuff that they are coming because it's still within control and you're right there isn't a machinery that have you know done their math and they have a priority uh marketing campaign generally last two or three weeks they have allotted that time a certain way but but uh i know that uh things are about to change and and these are the things that live on the internet for much longer than just uh you know like an early like a magazine interview that magazine will get lost and nobody will ever read that but i think these things survive yeah like you know there's these pages like uh not viral and bollywood i love both those pages and a big shout out so i message both of them i trip on that same i trip on that it's it makes me laugh it makes me crack up in fact bollywood posting is somebody i i reached out to and i was like listen i think we should do something together for the


listen i think we should do something together for the marketing of this film because he finds these insane little clips from movies that that you would never believe existed and i thought that'd be nice to kind of showcase how infidelity has changed in hindi films over the years yeah and he knows where those clips are you know so so i'm very keen to kind of trying something with him on that if you go a little deeper into those pages you see a lot of these old early 90s late 80s interviews which have actually stood the test of time i love them because there is one interview i won't name the gentleman who's like you know we are so progressive now we are just looking at uh korean dvds we are looking at these and i go to directors and tell them take this make this and he's talking about it from a point of view of being progressive and it's so funny you laugh your ass are you like dude well this lived on the internet now


like dude well this lived on the internet now so i guess you know but anyway coming back to the selfishness of this question uh i'm waiting for bollywood to understand the power that these kind of formats hold one and two uh you guys like the people at the top are fantastic to work with and speak to and interact with but it's the layers of management that make it difficult for the digital world to connect with bollywood and that's the general chat on the digital world where all of us are entrepreneurs we're building our own audiences we're building our own brands we're catching on to this vacuum that's been built in india and it's the management that's not allowing the people at the top in bollywood to actually grab onto those vacuums but i also think that there are people who are going beyond they're just their management because they can see that something like this is working you know i mean at the end of the day on the internet when you're doing something the numbers are there


the internet when you're doing something the numbers are there for people to see you know viewership for something that you put out uh the following that you have i think uh i think it's it's it's only a matter of time as best people start taking that all the more seriously because you know if you're gonna do an interview that's reach is going to be let's say you know let's say a million views and then you see a podcast that is doing the same yeah and it's reaching out maybe your mo your tg more clearly yeah and i think those things will play out and i as i said i i don't think it's it's it's it's going to be a it's going to be a long journey to that i think it's it's almost starting to happen yeah and that's the other thing bro so um a lot of stars when they sit in front of us they assume that it's an interview which it is but a podcast is a two-way thing it's a conversation yeah so um


a two-way thing it's a conversation yeah so um so much better than an interview because interview becomes same boring sometimes same questions right same sometimes offensive questions dude i'm not interested in offending you if you were partying with me i would want to sit and still just have the same conversation exactly and that's what i love about it you and i don't have to do it on the mic we can still do it outside and and the thing is now we're having this fun conversation and hopefully there's still some take away from it yeah 100 no trust me there's deep takeaways uh because every industry needs to evolve to like really stay on top and i'll give you one very upfront narrative about bollywood in the digital space because of everything that happened in the last two years be it the whole sushantsing case be it general chatter you know related to say narcotics or whatever there has been a little negative vibe created in the youth of the country this won't affect bollywood business right but


the country this won't affect bollywood business right but it does affect bollywood branding in the long term and little young kids like seven eight years old they'll think of looking at digital spaces as the actual heroic avenue like they interviewed kids in the u.s about what they want to be when they grew up they want to be social influences yeah and it shifted from musician or hollywood to this right and i'm not like saying that this is where the world is going immediately it'll happen in 10 to 20 years but this is what i feel bollywood needs to come out then take its mask off and and there are some incredible human beings right out there all the actors we named right this conversation was a showcasing of that it's about who you are on the inside what created asia that's what people wish to know but it's sometimes so difficult for us being at that uh kind of what's it called line between digital and bollywood so viraj and me my co-founder who you've met


so viraj and me my co-founder who you've met sometimes we just look at each other because of the responses we get because of how people behave like really like our world is like so much more just relaxed and easy going like why not just connect as you no i i listen i uh and i'm not i'm not blaming you or i'm listening i'm not i'm not i'm the smallest you know kid on the block and definitely from nowhere i can represent the whole of bollywood i think i can only talk for myself and for maybe a couple of people that i know closely it's they are excited it's changing i think you're right there's a machinery and there is sometimes a certain um management that that that's thinking more conventional but it's it's only a matter of time man also often the management really enjoys being around stars so they use it as a bit of a status symbol in these equations that you're no i'm i'm xyz manager yeah i i i love i have some


xyz manager yeah i i i love i have some very close friends who are also agents and managers but i have to say sometimes it's so funny because there is a very clear sense of power that's coming from the source but you're not the source you're just the channel but it's funny because when you take that power so seriously that you feel you are powerful that's when you look at that person you're like oh no yeah if you just remove that one one little equation nothing holds it all just goes back you know and i feel power's a funny thing just like fame 100 power's one of those concepts i've been thinking about a lot i thought a lot about the idea of power and it's again one of those things that you're right it people have to understand it without dropping chasing it without dropping names could you give us like an anecdote from bollywood which kind of gives you an input into your angle of power uh nothing comes top of my mind like that but but i'll


comes top of my mind like that but but i'll i'll tell i mean i was here's the thing when you are directing um you know you can demand things that somebody will people make sure that happens and and you know you have power over hiring and fighting and making someone's day bad let's talk about that you know like you have the power to speak to somebody in a certain way which would make his day worse right just that's a very small idea of it just the way a person can talk to his team it comes from a place of power and hierarchy for me what's really important is to [Music] use power to enable and not make someone feel small and one thing that i you know again one of the zen things that i read about which i loved is that the moment you receive you receive power it's your duty to forward it to others that is you have to delegate it because if you it's it's a it's a moving energy in that way if you sit on the


moving energy in that way if you sit on the energy of just feeling powerful it kind of corrupts you that's where ego starts to build so the moment you feel you're in a place and position as i said of influence or power it's your job to make sure you share that with others who you consider responsible and then you have to kind of measure and keep checks to make sure that that that what you're doing is distributing that power to others so that that kind of flows and once you understand that energy as a flow of things you're just a channel of it you're not really somebody who's sitting on a chair to take decisions you're like oh i have this power and i know these four people will do the right thing so you move it on to them and crazy i've never heard anyone say that another rain moment for me this is honestly like this is so crazy you keep power in motion yeah you give it down it's not an energy you sit on it just just i


not an energy you sit on it just just i feel that about money i feel that about power i feel that about influence and in fact by keeping it moving it will increase for you as well 100 because if the people working with you get more and more powerful yeah i think we have all looked at growth in as a zero-sum game that for you to grow somebody else has to stay there i think we've looked at too many things in life of the way we've been brought up as win or lose but i think as as we evolve as we see more people you realize it's not a zero-sum game yeah actually you cannot grow beyond a certain point unless the people with you grow so it's becomes your duty after a certain point and i've seen that with karen how he's mentored people it becomes your duty to make sure everyone comes and grows and if you've been lucky enough to have certain experience which i've had you know as you said i'm so to say i'm


know as you said i'm so to say i'm in bollywood i'm with the people that you would dream to be with it becomes at some level your responsibility to make sure you also bring others to a level where they can have these experiences because otherwise otherwise it becomes uh us versus them oh he has it i don't but if they can see oh no he has it but now i know that he will take us all also in that direction then i think we can go beyond we can explore more and and and you know what what's it like having karanjora as a mentor oh man it's tough it's tough for me to like even um bring it down to all the you know all the great things that have happened to me because of him you know just i was a 26 7 year old kid when i met him with an idea and for him to you know put his trust and money and be like yeah you go make a film what was your idea eight married to my first film


what was your idea eight married to my first film okay you know what the script and went to him and for him to be like you know you go make that film trust me let me do what i want see the film like it and be like okay now go make another one and you know from and then he's he's he's really mentored me by just letting me this is the difference between mentors and and and just uh um you know another boss mentors allow you room to make mistakes and learn from them and tell you that they are there when you make a mistake uh boss just wants to make sure he harnesses your energy to for his success and i think that's where current is different he allows you the time and space for you to grow and and learn from your mistakes in the world of business we say that this is the difference between leaders and managers yeah leaders create more leaders managers just enjoy sitting on the power yeah and leaders also create have a vision manager don't necessarily have


also create have a vision manager don't necessarily have a clean vision they are borrowing someone else's vision and working towards that and i and i love those things i love the differentiation between so to say leaders vision and leaders also help you grow help you stay motivated and those things and i feel like that's what i love and that's that's really where you can make a change not from a managerial point of view those changes are smaller they're executional changes they're not going to change someone's life yeah why is karan johar where he is today like what's got him there i think um obviously apart from being extremely sharp and and and you know always trying to make sure he he's uh aware and on top of this game apart from all of that i think his his he he he gives back he nurtures he helps people grow and and i think and he he really believes in building relationships that's really where where what what is what's at the center of dharma or what's current


what's at the center of dharma or what's current philosophy is he really cares about relationship he really cares about people growing together and and those are the things that have really i think for me i've taken away from his working style you know he'll always value a relationship over money you know we've had this we've shot this film during kovit so many things went up and down the budgets changed he understands all of that you know he he's absolutely uh open to kind of accepting those those things and knowing that it's fine it's part of part of doing doing you know making a film you know i always had this question for karan and rohit shetty because i've been in rooms with them and i've seen how the whole room gravitates towards them right and i can only imagine what it's like when say they're surrounded by upcoming people from their own industries with the kind of inflow people who want to get a piece of their power or want something from them or just want


their power or want something from them or just want humble innocent advice yeah but it's so much of an inflow yeah i wonder what that reality is like where you have so many people gravitating towards i mean it's insane i think i would get so exhausted with what karen does i don't think i have that i think you have to have a different kind of an aptitude and stamina to be able to uh give like that and i think then giving and channeling energy becomes your most important part of your job also sensing energies and sensing energy and then karen's phenomenal at that you can sit enter his room and in the first 10 minutes he kind of knows and he says that about like finally i was talking to him and he said the first time i met you uh and then of couple of other directors he met he said i instantly knew that he's you're going to direct a film for dharma and you're going to be with us for a while and


you're going to be with us for a while and it's just him and it's just uh his intuition and i think he he somehow really listens to his gut and that itself is a talent especially you know in an industry that's full of noise full of people constantly telling you what's right what's wrong what could work what could not work i think he still managed to to stay true to to what what his gut gut says this noise of the industry concept you brought this up the second time on the show and i've had to actually ask you about this what does it mean dude again then that's that's the angle of what's it like when you're inside the industry where you are especially you know what what does noise of the industry mean also i just want to keep saying you keep saying you are at the top of the food chain i'm not that guy i'm ex i'm in the rooms with the big guys and i can i'm in the room with with with people who are


i'm in the room with with with people who are extremely successful and have proven themselves dude i'm three movies old i just have to have the privilege of being around these people i do not consider myself remotely close to you know people who've been there for decades and who've consistently proven themselves so i'm feeling a lot of weight and i'm feeling like that's am i faking it no that that's not how people look at you bro people look at you as um dude this guy is way too talented and you're kind of like an a young scorsese type because i'm not i'm not trying to like butter you up no i get it listen is first of all two kind of you to say that i don't want the weight of it genuinely i don't want to feel the weight of it it i i am very happy kind of feeling like i'm i'm still the the observer in the room and that's where i feel most comfortable would you like to know


where i feel most comfortable would you like to know more on that tangent because i'm sorry i'm sure somewhere in your heart you do which is why i'm just going to tell you as a friend what um that whole scorsese angle you bring a lot of hollywood to your bollywood and that's where the industry is going oh definitely no that is something that i i strive to bring which is that i want the sensibility of how we make our films or how we put out our stuff i want this to get to a place where anywhere in the world people can see it and be like yeah they're with with the times i mean look at the cinema from you know korean cinema and and we are one of the oldest um you know film industries in the world and and industries that have started 20 or 30 years ago have really come such a long way look at the quality that they are making i think what we are doing is only doing cosmetic change so we are doing great


is only doing cosmetic change so we are doing great coloring to our film so it all looks glossy and the costume is getting better and people are looking nicer but but the foundation of it is still very weak and i'm i'm really interested i mean i'm really interested in being able to just bring more and more people who i know want to make the change who want to make better cinema who want to you know and there are people like that i i look up to you know so many interesting people within our industry who are doing phenomenal work you know i just think more of us and i have nothing against as i said dude i have immense amount of respect for mainstream film because i think they bring they they increase the box office and and that gives us more room to play but i think more of us can also exist and i you know of course there is a need in indian industry to kind of for an economic growth but it doesn't have to have happen at the cost of


doesn't have to have happen at the cost of artistic value or or artistic growth we can artistically and economically grow together so i feel like somehow there's this kind of understanding that to have more economic growth we have to make more mainstream uh dull down the sensibilities it don't have to be intelligent films and i'm that's the one part that i'm not in agreement with i i think you need that stuff but just like restaurants you need every kind of restaurants you need you know a place with butter chicken and butternut but you also need in today's time you can have a sushi restaurant that'll do equally well can i give you a business analogy uh the first kind of cinema sells to inside india the second kind of cinema which is yours sells to the world and i just feel not enough indians in both business or filmmaking have targeted the world as a market for this stuff until now i think things are going to change in the next five ten years in


going to change in the next five ten years in the same way that south cinema has gone national now dude right we know we know about south korea is going beyond nationals you look at the look at the collection in the us for uh telugu films and you're like wow you know and you they down's out there doing some phenomenal work not just in and that's what i i love about it they're doing both they're doing them big mainstream they're doing baahubali and you know that's setting up the kind of the mainstream benchmark but look at the malayalam cinema they are bringing such amazing new talent to the forefront you know uh so you're like wow did you see the superhero movie meenal murli no i i haven't seen anything for a year okay i was just being in in the midst of making my film but i have a huge list to catch up to you know coming back to the noise of bollywood noise of bollywood is very loud what like what what does that mean


is very loud what like what what does that mean well i think um especially the way this industry is you don't just have the noise of the people around you but have the noise of the audience uh because they are constantly giving opinion about what you are doing right uh you can be in in amongst your friends when you're a doctor or a lawyer right when you come back home nobody's giving you their two bits on how you fought a case or how you treated a patient today when you are in the movie business everything you make anywhere you go they want to talk to you about it and if they don't like it they want to tell you they didn't like it right and it and and that's why i also think that movie business is just a little harder than some of the other businesses right because people feel and and they have they have an absolute right to tell you because you're making it for them to tell you what they think so what happens is when you're constantly hearing


so what happens is when you're constantly hearing about the audiences then somebody's telling you audience will not like it so now you have this noise and then you have your own clutter noise which is telling you to do something it's a place just full of voices voices and then we live in our own echo chambers right just like instagram you feel this is all that exists because you you know you surround yourself with yes and the algorithm is doing that for you it's making you feel i mean this is what's happening to me as i'm promoting the film i'm sharing reels and then people are making more real so i'm sharing those reels and in the last two weeks all i can see is just my own film on instagram and more and more people talking about my own film but is that the reality for somebody who's uh in another city who's not really following bollywood no that's not his reality and i feel what happens is you feel this is it everybody and you


is you feel this is it everybody and you have so many followers on on you know actors pages they're 30 million 40 million 60 million and you're like oh no no everybody's talking about this and then at some point you know when you're meditating or you detach and you're like oh man that's just a voice it's just like that just that just been amplified it's an amplified version it's not really the whole reality it's a very small fraction of reality um so for me i'm looking forward to stepping away from the noise as soon as the film releases i was telling you oh no you know go go back just like you going to into a place where i can meditate go to a place where people have nothing to do with films because i really can't live with so many voices and i want that break i want to detach i want to know and i want to believe and i truly believe that bollywood is uh an amazing place to tell stories but it's not the end


place to tell stories but it's not the end of the world i have one life i may not even make movies for my entire life i love storytelling i love making movies but i think i don't want it to become the only thing that i feel drives me i want to find other experiences maybe i i one day go into teaching maybe i go into teaching storytelling but you know i i i would like to try something more than where i like to do something funny enough which is extremely quiet and it's not a place where you have to make any any noise for anything you know i admire the out of you i'll be great if i can i don't know maybe i'll scare get scared i'm like nobody's talking about what i'm doing so maybe i quickly go back make a film you know but that would be an intent i'd love to try that that's been a question in my mind this can i just leave everything and go do nothing and as of now definitely the


and go do nothing and as of now definitely the answer is no because i will miss i will miss the attention i will miss the the and right now we're in a different place in our life we have to do this we have to experience this but i don't want i would like to maybe step away when i feel like this is an addiction right now i think it has purpose and i'm doing it and i know you are doing it with that purpose with a certain goal and ambition and and that journey is going to be beautiful and and i just don't want to hold on to it in an unhealthy toxic way because as you said fame success this industry the noise it feels great when it's all like and i don't want to leave it out of fear or that oh no now it's not going well so let me get out do actors know it's going to leave them someday man i can't answer answer on their behalf but i feel like the the the loss of relevance in this


feel like the the the loss of relevance in this industry i must play on everyone's mind at some level right it uh it's an industry that as i said puts you in a pedestal makes you feel like you're the one in this moment and then at some point on a different friday in a different year works out differently for somebody else and now they are that person right it's it's i think um that's why it's all the more important to be in this industry for the right reasons if if you if you're only chasing the position only chasing the the appreciation i love appreciation it's important when you're doing that work but when you're only chasing that then i'm sure at some level it's turning into insecurities and fear in your head yeah and you know it it can even turn into one small bag of insecurities and feed on your you might be in it for multiple reasons yeah but somewhere you've got to get detached from this reason of enjoying relevance enjoying


from this reason of enjoying relevance enjoying the process i mean i this is the kind of question i've been trying to answer for a very long time in terms of will i be able to give up no i know i know and ranveer i think i mean i think you have a huge you know you're humble in many ways also because i think you yourself have two million plus following for someone your age to have that many eyes on you i know you feel the noise i know you feel the the weight i know you feel the the pressure of be staying relevant the idea is as we discussed is to know that yes those things are real but to be able to deal with it in a healthy way i think that's the question right i'm not saying that insecurities are bad or or or you are only your greatest self and you don't feel those things no man i think all of us are carrying a baggage uh off of these things uh and i'm sure even outside of this industry people


uh and i'm sure even outside of this industry people may carry that baggage the idea is we all have to find a healthy way of dealing with all these problems right and i think that's that's really where it is also staying in the present and something along those lines is what i heard in a snoop dogg podcast i feel that's why i like like podcasts more it's it's like right right now we're talking and sometimes just looking at you and i'm like oh wow i'm really truly here you know that's that's the vibe it also takes me some time to work so we're in your meditation room right so maybe it is the place where you're feeling oh there is no rush because i feel we've been chatting a lot yeah mr batra this is the moment where you tell me about your childhood do you say mr brother as a joke nobody has ever that just sounding too old so what went wrong in your childhood why are you i heard somebody somebody said that to


are you i heard somebody somebody said that to me yesterday he's like this movie is um really about messy things what happened and i i got back to this joke that i i don't know if you saw this movie tootsie with bill murray and dustin hoffman and i love this joke there's a party going on at dustin hoffman's house and bill murray has just finished a play and he's talking to somebody he's like you know man i don't like when people come up to me and be like i love your play i like it when they call me the next morning and say what happened that's that that's a sign of good writing uh i love uh i mean i i i i i think i'm not more messed up than anybody else i hope i i just to be honest i i feel people sugarcoat a lot of things that have happened in their life and then put it out and those kind of movies are great too i really hope one day i can


are great too i really hope one day i can make the sweetest nicest film that that makes everyone feel the joy and love and it feels like a big warm hug but uh right now maybe i'm a bit of a cynical you know maybe to too realistic and i'm i'm on that journey where i wanted to portray things more more closer to reality but i really want to take my skill set to a place where i can be more healing where i can be more of a warm hug for people you know i think i think you're already doing that dude like and even that darkness is a part of your skill set so yeah i say that i feel like i love uh escapist movies as much as the other person but sometimes revisiting reality can be so much more powerful and that's what could heal you you know so on the podcast that i saw with snoop dogg jorgan asks him how the have you been so relevant for 40 years and snoop dogg just says i


for 40 years and snoop dogg just says i just have fun doing this i only do things that are fun for me i'm like that's a great answer to dealing with such a simple yeah dude it shifted a lot for me in term that that one statement changed this negative self-talk the overthinking uh future direction uh wanting a relationship i'm like no let me just have fun doing these projects if i chose projects that you know will be fun to create and that's answer the question for me yeah that's great i think it's it's it's it's it's a thing that you hear and you but it's so hard just like saying be in the present sounds so simple and just the hardest little thing you know i i and you're right i mean i guess that's the trick you got to figure out it's in the simplicity of it this is the hardest i'm not going to go deeper than this yeah even though the film is called i think we venture deep enough yeah you're in a great


we venture deep enough yeah you're in a great zone the film's coming out yeah are you pumped i'm mom i am um more than pumped i'm feeling relaxed now after many many months and i want to enjoy this moment of just feeling less weight i'm enjoying that gonna end this podcast by saying that ayan mukherjee and yourself entered my life uh you know within like a month of each other like i met you and then around the same time i met ryan and you know just by talking to you all and being in the same room as you all and looking at how you all look at life i've learned so much and it's made me recalibrate a lot of my goals my goals were extremely capitalistic and i ended up on that journey but i've also ended up seeing the poison that that journey can bring and there is some poison when your goals are purely capitalistic and all about money yeah and then i see you guys where from the outside looking in you're


you guys where from the outside looking in you're a young spielberg young scorsese okay i don't know those are very big words but yeah i mean we're trying our best to do whatever little things we can but ayan is on a extremely ambitious journey and he's given so much of his time and life and you know mind to that um yeah it's amazing i really i really look up to yeah i feel i feel directors voices need to be more out there you guys are fascinating gents and uh just even even this whole journey of growing up as a man dude there's so many unanswered things i mean i'm sure there's a lot of unanswered things when you're growing up as a woman but when you're growing up on this boy to man journey you need older males in your my daddy issues are speaking but you need older that's why i'm saying you need mentors yeah you need people who who've been through the journey and they can just give you a little nudge


and they can just give you a little nudge and be like i get it you know just a little little left you'll be fine you know from for me it's the peace that you guys have in your mind dude there's a lot of peace and your creativity for both of you right comes out of that place of peace even if there's darkness you know yeah and i think dude you you only look for peace when you've seen the so to say what weight it can otherwise have so you're like oh i don't want that i'm sure i saw that change of plan i don't want to go in that as you said man we all start with wanting those things and not that i want them any less but as i said you want to be on the path where you can arrive at it hopefully but with still the same mind you know yeah mr batra this is the end of the show thanks buddy in a previous season i would ask the guest to always say three pieces of advice for the


guest to always say three pieces of advice for the youth now i will change it to three pieces of advice for people heading into their thirties i actually think that people heading their 30s uh have have seen that plans don't always work out so you know it's time to realign and sit with yourself and and ask yourself what's what's the new priority of things i think that's number one number two would be uh cut out the noise because you realize that that's what's driving you crazy oh and three would be in 30s you start to feel like you know some of the basic needs that you get that you were chasing are now met and and now you can actually sometimes just relax and and look at the good things in life so enjoy those things and have gratitude you know i hear you i absorb the stuff you say once again mr batra thank you brother this was great this is fantastic thanks buddy good luck for everything good luck for geraria of course good luck for the projects


luck for geraria of course good luck for the projects after it good luck for the vipassana and most of all good luck for your own self discovery brother thanks buddy too so that was the episode for today as you can tell if you compare these episodes with our older bollywood episodes there's a world of a difference for me in season two of this show i want to bring you guys much more knowledge much denser conversation meatier conversation so tell me what you think about conversation like this i'd also like to know if you guys are interacting with prs clips on your youtube channel which contains the highlights of this podcast what would you like done better there what would you like us to change and of course when you're speaking about trs you've got to follow us on spotify every episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world here's me home hashtag and some superstar minds from the indian film industry back on the runway show we'll see you soon [Music]


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so a couple of years ago during the first lockdown we did an episode with my mother it was one of the most special trs episodes that we've ever done it's one of the most loved ones over time uh this one is sort of a sequel to that episode it features my choti mummy which is my childhood best friend but trust me nandani is one of my closest friends in my life this is an episode where i get interviewed where she asked me stuff primarily about my relationships and my love life and romance from a male perspective so i think a lot of y'all are going to enjoy the depth and the gossip angle of this particular episode for lack of a better word this is nanda nishinoy on trs remember to follow trs on spotify every episode is available on spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world it's an experimental episode but i intend on getting nandy back for a lot more episodes see you soon enjoy the episode from now on [Music] so


soon enjoy the episode from now on [Music] so because you know me so long uh and you know my love life is a topic of conversation on this channel because i keep bringing up my single hood single dim single dim what's your earliest memory of this [Music] i'm thinking of it's probably when we were in pi bio and nine standard yeah no so like it depends okay like if it's in the context of love then it would probably be like pyo if it's in the context of general like you know it's like probably when we were in judo together in fifth century yeah in fifth standard like at the age of 10 where like i disliked you then so uh why like i i just because i broke your leg once like is that a reason to dislike someone but to be honest i mean you have disliked everyone for the longest time and then like been infatuated with them and then like reached a stage of like normal human interaction are you talking about my first few girlfriends in life


you talking about my first few girlfriends in life you've seen every girlfriend of mine no i'm talking about this particular person who used to be on a bus with you and uh you went through this phase where you were in love with her then you hated her then it was all like oh my god you ruined my life because you were so dramatic and then like now i guess we've reached a stage of like acceptance of adulthood adult acceptance but you've actually met every single girl updated yeah almost almost like all the random recent ones though the last two years of my life have been random it's not casual but it's not like the peak of seriousness that you've seen yes yes and you've also seen my serious serious relationships and you've seen where it's gone wrong yeah you've seen me going through infidelity like the moviegum so i think i think this podcast is more about uh love as a concept also often on the show we've spoken about what women want from men but rarely do