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CHAIRPERSON | Did you know about it? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 200 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 231 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -1.277783 | 4.162239 | 2,012 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | I heard about it. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 201 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 232 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -0.041741 | 4.800242 | -1 |
CHAIRPERSON | Did you give any instructions for it? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 202 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 233 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 2.916748 | 4.900266 | 1,837 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | No. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 203 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 234 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -4.258225 | -11.846541 | 767 |
CHAIRPERSON | And there is a second Lady Grey farm attack? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 204 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 235 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.662218 | 3.210588 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Also, I never take part in this one. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 205 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 236 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 1.647278 | 3.675113 | 3,090 |
CHAIRPERSON | Did you hear about it? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 206 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 237 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 0.080005 | 4.608393 | 2,903 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | No, I don't know whether I hear or not, I don't recall. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 207 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 238 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 0.163969 | 4.676695 | 2,903 |
MR LAX | Did you - sorry - we can assume you didn't give any instructions for that either? That was the second farm attack in Lady Grey. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 208 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 239 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.419546 | 3.274109 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | I never take part in it and I never gave instructions. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 209 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 240 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 2.922236 | 4.876051 | 1,837 |
MR LAX | Thank you. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 210 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 241 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -13.805696 | -5.427341 | 800 |
CHAIRPERSON | And finally, the Sterkspruit Garage attack? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 211 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 242 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.084979 | 2.657311 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | I never participated in it. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 212 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 243 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 1.971747 | 3.706166 | -1 |
CHAIRPERSON | Did you hear about it? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 213 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 244 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 0.043406 | 4.609609 | 2,903 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Yes I hear about it. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 214 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 245 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 0.006368 | 4.685392 | 2,903 |
CHAIRPERSON | Did you give instructions? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 215 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 246 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 2.928169 | 4.867256 | 1,837 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | No I didn't. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 216 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 247 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -17.751429 | 2.221534 | 198 |
CHAIRPERSON | Now were there any other attacks in that year 1992 by members of this group who were living together? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 217 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 248 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.324585 | 3.497641 | 3,280 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Repeat your question? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 218 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 249 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.253143 | 18.275814 | 539 |
CHAIRPERSON | Were there any other attacks apart from the ones I've just asked you about that were committed by members of your group in 1992? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 219 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 250 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.36044 | 3.53248 | 3,280 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Not in that area of Sterkspruit, Lady Grey, Zastron. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 220 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 251 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.860913 | 2.641342 | -1 |
CHAIRPERSON | In other areas? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 221 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 252 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.420203 | 2.728823 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Yes. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 222 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 253 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.763135 | -14.66249 | 963 |
CHAIRPERSON | Can you tell us about them? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 223 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 254 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 0.885911 | 4.022879 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | It was at Ficksburg. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 224 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 255 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.602768 | 3.030421 | 3,094 |
CHAIRPERSON | Ficksburg - and was that members of your group? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 225 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 256 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.486888 | 4.025219 | 2,871 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Some of them. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 226 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 257 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -0.714931 | 2.449038 | -1 |
CHAIRPERSON | And did you participate? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 227 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 258 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 1.891984 | 3.649228 | 3,078 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Yes I did participate. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 228 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 259 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 1.904159 | 3.672717 | 3,078 |
CHAIRPERSON | Any others? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 229 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 260 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -0.617541 | 2.808753 | 1,862 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Not with that group. That was '93. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 230 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 261 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 0.024199 | 6.299513 | -1 |
CHAIRPERSON | No, we'll leave that for the moment, other people might ask you about that. There were no others with that group in 1992? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 231 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 262 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.487222 | 3.94153 | 2,871 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | ...[inaudible] | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 232 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 263 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 2.743616 | 14.132044 | 506 |
CHAIRPERSON | Thank you. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 233 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 264 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -1.248148 | -11.39593 | 213 |
MR LAX | Sorry, I just want to be absolutely clear here because you have already given us evidence in another matter of other training attacks that you went on - you remember that? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 234 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 265 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.378604 | 3.769507 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Yes I recall. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 235 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 266 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -0.324031 | 3.08269 | 2,095 |
MR LAX | Let's confirm all of those as well because we don't want to get bogged down in semantics later to say well those weren't attacks those were training operations or other things and they surface and then it looks like you're being tricked when in fact - let's rather get as many of those out as you can remember as well. ... | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 236 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 267 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.369793 | 3.640419 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | I mentioned two incidents prior to, or in the area of Lady Grey Ambush that there were also two attacks that were carried out. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 237 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 268 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.181744 | 3.40092 | -1 |
MR LAX | Are those the only two that you know about? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 238 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 269 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 0.965324 | 3.424195 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Which involved the enemy whereby it was physically involved. The other attacks - we carried them out in the mountains whereby there would be no settlers as part of the exercise. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 239 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 270 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.362089 | 3.485275 | 3,280 |
MR LAX | So others weren't - I mean you didn't attack people or vehicles or houses belonging to anybody? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 240 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 271 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.395931 | 3.393884 | 3,280 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | No. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 241 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 272 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -4.292181 | -11.811952 | 849 |
MR LAX | Thanks Chairperson.
ADV. SANDI: Mr Dolo did you mention something about attacks in the mountains, can you explain that? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 242 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 273 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.186582 | 3.782194 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | We were talking about the exercises except the two which I have mentioned, so I come across this question of the mountains whereby we were involved in the exercise. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 243 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 275 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.870993 | 4.394234 | -1 |
CHAIRPERSON | Were these the normal sort of military manoeuvres? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 244 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 276 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.353947 | 4.430012 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Yes. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 245 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 277 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.769747 | -14.664767 | 963 |
MR PRIOR | May I proceed Mr Chairman?
Maybe I can help you Mr Dolo - these two other attacks which you now mention, which were partly training and partly operational. The one occurred in March, early in March and that was the vehicle of Mr van Rooyen who was at the bakery. My information is that a petrol bomb was thrown at his... | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 246 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 278 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.195585 | 3.548869 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | That would be the case as we had dealt with it last week. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 247 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 280 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 0.010664 | 3.904235 | 2,954 |
MR PRIOR | And you see there was a motorist that followed behind it, a Mr Franscisco, who also worked at the bakery and when he was about four minutes behind Mr van Rooyen and he still saw the petrol bomb burning on the road and he drove past, he wasn't effected at all so you confirm that this was the first attack early in March? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 248 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 281 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.169392 | 3.358154 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | There were two attacks in that area before this one of the ambush of the area of Lady Grey - one involved the one you are mentioning and then there would be another one. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 249 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 282 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.015782 | 3.282495 | 1,972 |
MR PRIOR | I'm trying to put a time frame on it - the one we are talking about now with - my information is Mr van Rooyen, you obviously didn't know his name or you may have known his name. He worked at the bakery. That occurred in March. The Lady Grey ambush with Mrs Brummer and Mr Tsimani occurred in November - it was eight ... | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 250 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 283 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.024208 | 3.347925 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | So which one are you telling about, the one that occurred in March? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 251 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 284 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 0.775834 | 5.596892 | 1,413 |
MR PRIOR | Yes. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 252 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 285 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.750501 | -14.656843 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | No, I was not part of it. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 253 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 286 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 1.60227 | 3.647357 | 3,090 |
MR PRIOR | Are you saying that shortly before the Lady Grey Sterkspruit where Mrs Brummer was involved, there was also a training/operational exercise on that same part of the road where a petrol bomb was thrown at a vehicle? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 254 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 287 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 6.717098 | 0.412587 | 1,102 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Yes. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 255 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 288 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.767139 | -14.672669 | 963 |
MR PRIOR | And exploded on the vehicle? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 256 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 289 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 6.810631 | 0.377392 | 1,102 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | When it was mentioned last week here by I think it's Thabiso, he said the petrol bomb never exploded, I think so. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 257 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 290 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 6.635221 | 0.412535 | 1,102 |
MR PRIOR | Yes, you see there was one after this Lady Grey matter - I don't want to confuse the witness - it was after the 19th, about a week later, there was an incident on that road just beyond the bridge going up towards Sterkspruit, when Mr Franscisco's vehicle was shot at by a passing taxi or from out of a passing taxi. Do ... | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 258 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 291 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.9803 | 2.643327 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | If you can explain it again broadly? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 259 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 292 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -1.150828 | 4.74458 | 2,030 |
MR PRIOR | The only other incident that we are aware of after the 19th November, that is the ambush we spoke about last week - Mrs Brummer, Mr Tsimani's matter - about a week after that there was a shooting incident on that same stretch of road on Mr Franscisco who also worked at the Sterkspruit Bakery or the bakery in Sterksprui... | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 260 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 293 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.911869 | 2.862303 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | I know no Hi-Ace issue where he was but, maybe a week as you say it happened a week prior to that one of the ambush, there was two attacks that we were involved in it. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 261 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 294 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.283284 | 3.413739 | 3,280 |
MR PRIOR | But those two attacks on your description they involve Molotov Cocktails, there was no shooting there? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 262 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 295 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 7.122325 | 2.411745 | 3,057 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | There were guns. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 263 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 296 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 7.5225 | 1.588802 | 2,088 |
MR PRIOR | But there was no shooting? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 264 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 297 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 6.853056 | 2.086968 | 3,172 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | I don't recall. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 265 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 298 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -0.548293 | 2.750607 | 2,084 |
MR PRIOR | Alright. What I want possibly just try and elucidate from you was that you were sent - you were deployed in that area, as I now understand your evidence, to get rid of the white people that were working in or had business interest in Sterkspruit, is that correct? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 266 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 299 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 7.385019 | 4.231728 | 1,961 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Repeat again? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 267 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 300 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -2.771481 | 5.750146 | 1,097 |
MR PRIOR | You were deployed in that area, Jozannashoek, Sterkspruit, to drive off or drive away or kill or get rid of the white people - as you call them the settlers - in that area, you wanted them out of Sterkspruit? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 268 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 301 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 7.406365 | 4.207905 | 1,961 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | That was part of the mission. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 269 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 302 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.674715 | 4.730363 | 3,217 |
MR PRIOR | And that command, that order came from Mr Letlapa Mphahlele, is that correct? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 270 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 303 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.321216 | 5.428554 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | That was part of the instructions. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 271 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 304 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 2.939004 | 4.887631 | 1,837 |
MR PRIOR | To drive out any white person in Sterkspruit, is that right? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 272 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 305 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.14934 | 2.613326 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Yes. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 273 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 306 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.757744 | -14.669334 | -1 |
MR PRIOR | And the intelligence that you gained was that most of the people that worked in Sterkspruit, lived either in Lady Grey or came from Zastron from either the Free State or from the Eastern Cape side, is that right? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 274 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 307 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 8.46055 | 5.547 | 3,382 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Yes. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 275 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 308 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.782862 | -14.678179 | -1 |
MR PRIOR | And was also your intelligence that they always drove on that road at a certain time of the day in other words 7 o'clock, half past seven? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 276 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 309 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.634946 | 1.866579 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Yes. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 277 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 310 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.769317 | -14.667671 | 963 |
MR PRIOR | And is that why you planned the ambushes for that time? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 278 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 311 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.157341 | 3.567264 | 3,266 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Yes. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 279 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 312 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 14.591417 | 19.899696 | 3 |
MR PRIOR | Did you also have further intelligence that certain of these individuals drove particular motor vehicles, for example - Mr Griesel drove a bakkie, Mr Smit drove a motor car, the bakery had a certain vehicle, the furnishers, Score Furnishers had a certain vehicle - was that the type of intelligence that you had? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 280 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 313 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.464056 | 5.312036 | 2,746 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Yes, but the names of the owners of the car we not know about. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 281 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 314 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.890918 | 1.688935 | 3,476 |
MR PRIOR | So you were looking out for particular motor vehicles at that specific time? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 282 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 315 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.905887 | 1.726796 | 3,476 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Yes. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 283 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 316 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 14.466465 | 19.876644 | 3 |
MR PRIOR | Did you have for example makes and colours of vehicles? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 284 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 317 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.930126 | 1.541531 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Yes, they were known, the cars. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 285 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 318 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.885486 | 1.70061 | 3,476 |
MR PRIOR | And those were your specific targets - as I understand your evidence - you were looking out for those particular vehicles because they were connected very properly to Sterkspruit via the owners who were the white settlers. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 286 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 319 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 7.40574 | 4.224101 | 1,961 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Yes. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 287 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 320 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.767388 | -14.665027 | 963 |
MR PRIOR | I just need to know from you how it occurred that on this particular day the 18th November 1992 when you attacked this vehicle - how, as I understood your instructions last week, was that no vehicle where an African person was either riding on, passenger or driving was to be attacked? How that mistake could again have... | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 288 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 321 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 7.250981 | 3.339407 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | The data I heard about those cars was never mentioned that there will be African people. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 289 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 322 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 7.784103 | 4.354939 | -1 |
MR PRIOR | So did this come as a surprise to you on that day that you saw an African person? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 290 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 323 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 7.848333 | 4.456945 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Yes. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 291 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 324 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 14.431341 | 19.840178 | 3 |
MR PRIOR | So there was no need - there wasn't any warning given by whoever was waving his hat or his hand? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 292 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 325 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.242425 | 3.068202 | 3,169 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | No there was no warning. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 293 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 326 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.255337 | 3.15573 | 3,169 |
MR PRIOR | So in fact the warning was simply that a vehicle was approaching? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 294 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 327 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 5.215206 | 1.989768 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | Yes. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 295 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 328 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 3.768904 | -14.667118 | 963 |
MR PRIOR | The signal that was given had nothing to do with the occupants of that vehicle, is that correct? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 296 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 329 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.942747 | 2.013631 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | It was with the car as they know the car, the type of the car which was approaching. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 297 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 330 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 4.778383 | 1.894486 | -1 |
MR PRIOR | Now Mr Griesel, I understood, worked in Sterkspruit, I think he was an electrical contractor or he worked for Eskom, he was laying cables there, did you know that? | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 298 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 331 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | 2.517981 | 2.069059 | -1 |
PHILA MARTIN DOLO | No, I didn't know. | ../data/data_saha\amnesty_hearings\aliwal_north\54583.json | 299 | https://sabctrc.saha.org.za/documents/amntrans/aliwal_north/54583.htm | 332 | Amnesty Hearings | Aliwal North | 54,583 | 1998-04-28 | -5.133609 | 3.199746 | 738 |
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